#107 Exposing Industry Deception in the Paranormal Field w/ Mike Hatcher

We’re exposing the toxic environment within the paranormal industry. Join us as we uncover the challenges and struggles many face behind the scenes. Our guest, Mike Hatcher, a respected paranormal investigator and previous Executive Producer of PARAFlixx, will share his personal experiences and insights into the unchecked issues plaguing the field. Mike has also contributed significantly as part of the investigative team "Beyond the Dimensions" and has shared his expertise on platforms like Real Ghost Stories Online. Together, we’ll explore how we can create a more supportive, transparent future for everyone in the paranormal community. This is a must-listen for anyone ready to face the truth and take action.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, don't don't dott together, sattell got to stop.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Hello, everybody, welcome to what the freak love? Yah, it's
another Friday night where the crop is wild.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes, I swear.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
I when to invest in equipment to have a soundboard.
You have so many Oh, go.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Ahead, picnic one. Yeah, it's like an app. You can
just use it all right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Send me the information. I can't remember things anymore. I
turned forty four this last week. I can't remember. Thank you.
Everything's on a post it note or on my Google
calendars too, that stuff. Yeah, everything, I have to write
it down. And I'm about ready to be my own
mother and buy me a calendar. Depit on my fridge

(03:51):
and so I can drop some stuff down so I
can see it every day because I will for it.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
One of those moments. Actually, I just had recently this
past weekend and actually had to get a pill box
for the first time. So because I take you know,
I don't take anything like medication. Medication might take you know,
supplements and stuff like that. I was like, and I'm
to the point where I actually like need a pillbox.
So I have one of those pill boxes that says

(04:18):
Sunday all the way through Saturday, and it keeps me organized.
I don't forget, and it keeps me sharp. So yeah,
a pillbox. Never thought the day would come forty five
years old.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
At least you're taking pills because I'm at the age
where all my stuff's in liquid.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Four.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't swallow pills anymore. I always asked the doctor too,
It's like does it come in liquid for so I
just don't do that anymore. But all my vitamins, several
miss and stuff is all liquid. So anyway, yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
What a week.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
March. March thirteenth is my birthday, So thank you everybody
that reached down and said happy birthday. We appreciate you. Here.
I was born on Friday the thirteenth, so it's a
good it's a good number for me. It's a good number.
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(05:42):
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Speaker 3 (05:46):
Year about six o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I'm thirty, I'm thirty for the basketball game. I do
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Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, thank you for asking, Emily, and I appreciate it. Yeah,
last week we had our episode regarding the mysterious playing
incidences in you know, twenty twenty five this year, all
the crazy stuff that's been happening, it's still happening. We
just got another one yesterday. So yeah, it just it
seems to be a crazy thing. But tomorrow we're coming
out with our new episode Dungeons and Dragons and the Devil,

(06:25):
and so we're going to be talking about Dungeons and Dragons,
how this prolific game that me and Jay actually used
to play when we were kids and kind of had
to hide it from our parents at the time because,
you know, during the eighties and nineties, there was something
called the Satanic Panic. And we talk about that, and
we talk about how now it's so prolific and now
you know, there's celebrities playing this online and it's so

(06:48):
crazy how it's evolved over the years. So we talk
about all that and much more. Check it out darkfrin
trader dot com and also TikTok as well and YouTube,
So make sure checking out with putting up shorts every day.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
So, yes, hey, Satanic Panic. You know what my satanic
panic was back the end of the day. Was not
allowed my parents is it's the Devil. I was not
allowed to watch the Simpsons or married with children. Really,
I was not allowed. So I would spend it out
with my grandmother and I would sneak to watch the
Simpsons and then I would call my best friend Sarah

(07:20):
Buckley and we would talk about it on the phone
while we're watching it, and she would be sneaking and
watching it. Dude, yeah, answer.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yes, Susans. Oh, we did a whole episode on that.
How I predicted everything. But my mom was more of
a visual type of person. So I remember when the
Undertaker first wrestled, Oh, my mom said that guy was
the Devil and she's like, I forbid you watch this
ever again. And I was like, yeah, right, I would
have continue to watch it, but yeah, that was one

(07:50):
of the first things. And then there's a team show
called Sightings, and she was like, oh no, yes, too
many questions. Yeah yeah, She's like, ask too many questions.
You shouldn't be asking all these questions about the universe
and stuff. So she yeah, it was those two things.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Undertaker, well, you know, not a lot to watch those,
but my mom had every book by Stephen King, so
god standard a little bit, but I mean she I'm
an adult, I can handle.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It, right.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Okay, speaking of scary stuff, we are dabbing back into
the paranormal for the next few weeks, so exposing some things.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Though, and we're gonna be talking tonight about Aaron Goodwin
on I Know, Crazy Story We're gonna be talking about
that a little bit tonight. But we have an amazing
guest coming on this evening. He has been a friend
of mine for gosh, several years now. I've watched from Afar.
I don't think we've never I don't know if he
was on Paranormal House. I have to ask him. But

(08:50):
he's super Yeah, he's super talented. We're gonna be pulling
back the curtain of the dark side of the paranormal
industry this evening, from behind the scenes drama to toxic environments.
Many in the field has faced challenges that rarely see
the light of day or they see your Facebook newsfeed.
Joining us is Mike Catcher, a seasoned paranormal investigator, former

(09:12):
executive producer of Paraflex, and a key member of Beyond
the Dimensions. Mike has first hand experience with the hidden
issues plaguing the community and is here to expose the truth.
So let's bring Mike Catcher on to What the Freak Live.
Welcome Mike.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
How do how do you.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Remember to watch this screen and not the computer?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can go back and forth if you want to.
I don't know if Yah yah side profile it's like
you're going to jail.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
We need to give you your deposition. Tell us the
truth that one time, one.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I have a lot of those in paranormal at one time.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So I'm sorry I'm tearing up laughing, but Mike, thank
you for coming on with the frick love. We appreciate
you so much and you're so talented and you're such.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
A great person.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
There they are, Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
You see it.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, I have to scroll I was looking at my face.
I had to scroll down here and remember, look here,
here you are. Now I see you.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
And this is the first time you're on, so obviously
I'm going to hit you with the question I always
ask every person that comes on. Tell us a little
bit about yourself, just the gist of paranormal, how long
you've worked in it, what what projects you worked on,
and things like that so people get to know you.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well. First off, I haven't been on Facebook but off
and on a while, so I didn't know it was
your birthday, So happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I appreciate it anymore, unless it is to stir up
some be toxic. You know, I'm you know, I'm Mike,
you know, as you said, and it's an honor to
be here. You know, as I was messaging you, you know,
I always said if there was any podcast I'd get

(11:17):
on to talk and talk about experiences and everything, it
would be this one.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
So it's Austin my first ever interview on Rumble.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm happy there we go.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You need to get a Rumble channel. That's where everybody's going.
I officially quit YouTube. When was that will?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I mean a couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
They canceled Cultured Us like in twenty twenty one, and
we had about eight thousand to nine thousand subscribers on
YouTube at that time.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
But I took that as a badge of honor. I
think that's when where you know you're doing something right right.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We've been on YouTube since we come back in twenty
twenty two, but I've never really marketed it at all.
We just go live. But I quit it. The channel
still up, it's still there. You still watch all of
our oh but officially Rumble and we're gonna be building
Rumble in twenty twenty five. So that's the goal. You
need to get a rumble account. There's not very many
paranormal people over there, or I don't know if you're

(12:11):
still doing paranormal or projects or anything like that, but uh,
there's not that many over there right now, so it
would be good.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
It's still in the back of my mind. I haven't
fully committed to whether or not, you know, I want
to really get back into it.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
I have a project that I have planned.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
It's gonna it's definitely going to turn some heads and
it needs the right people on it. And I know Emily,
with your experience and what you do is you definitely
are somebody I'm gonna talk to about.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh no, maybe nervous.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
There's a reason. There's a reason. It's it's not something
I can talk about. It's something I've only talked about
with one person. But I have been wanting to reach
out to you for this one. Okay, But yeah, just
a little bit about myself, you know, the paranormal I
filmed the first team. I was in Dead Republic. We

(13:07):
had Sleepless in Salamanca that we released saw on Amazon.
It is the first paranormal full length we had ever filmed,
I had ever edited. Of course, drama tore that that
team apart beyond the dimensions. Another one drama tore that
team apart twice twice.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Struck twice on that one, Yeah, twice, you.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Got one more chance three times.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
No, I'm not doing anything.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Once.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, one of those members has texted me once already,
and after that I deleted her number. No response back. Okay,
But and then after that one, you know, all the
paraflakes drama, and you know, doing the Paraflex editing videos,
doing all the marketing, behind the scenes graphics, and.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Then again drama. I'm just starting to think I'm the
reason there's drama.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
No, no, you're not, because you've messed around in the
same kind of crowds that we were part When we
started out, we were part of Paranormal Warehouse and they
were fantastic. We were that what with them for two years?

Speaker 6 (14:23):
I think No, I was paranormal, you weren't.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Well, we were with them, and everybody got along. All
of us did interviews and stuff and everything. Everybody got along,
and then a couple people that are actually on Paraflex
came in and then some drama happened and then they
let all of us go that did interviews, So then
that makes me get pushed over into these other networks. Hello, Hi, Hi,

(14:56):
how old are you?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Son? Six? That first? Yeah, your first grader?

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Kindergarten, kindergarten, kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Goodness, it goes back so fast.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, you're having fun right now. Enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I know it seems like you.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Don't rush it. Don't rush it. Take it from me,
Do not rush getting older. Stay as as long as
you can as being a kid.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Please, I got ideas yesterday you got.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
That's awesome. That's good.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Are you going outside the mummy?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh so cute.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah I didn't hear. I just heard you heard it.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh yeah, kids, man, that's what say. They will say
the damnest things.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Man was poopid and it takes this so saying kids
are the best. Man, I'm telling you, I love it.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Don't blow up your spots so quickly, right, Oh, don't
blow up your spot like nothing.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, don't up your spot.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
My wife and I both have come to the conclusion
she's the one that's gonna test us.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I'm sure she will.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'm sure she will. Is she the youngest?

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
They also say what the second child will always be
the one that gives you grief, right. Yeah, she is
both mine and my wife's second child.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So that's gonna be fun.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
The fad of sealed Well, Mike, let me ask you
a question. You know you've been a part of, you know,
all these groups, you've done, these investigations, you've done a
lot of editing and all these things in the background,
which a lot of people, First off, let me say this,
don't give enough appreciation too, because there's a lot of
harder work doing that stuff, and people like you that
do that kind of stuff and go through all that

(16:58):
footage and edit all that stuff. Uh, that takes a
lot of time and patience.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
And it's so on.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know, it's really people don't give enough appreciation towards it.
And I want to say, you know, thank you for
you doing that as well. But let me ask you this.
From all these you know, the places that you've you know,
you've been to and groups that you've dealt with, what's
the one thing that you can say is a common
denominator that you you constantly see that may be either

(17:25):
a negative thing or a positive thing.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, first, thanks for the appreciation for the editing. You're right,
I don't I don't think there's a lot of people
out there that do get appreciation. It is a lot
of hard work. It's arguments with the wife, spent time
not spent with the kids. You know, there's right, there's
there's you know, there's a lot that does go into

(17:50):
it behind the you know, behind the scenes. But when
you when you talk negative experiences, are you talking about
types of experiences like negative experiences at each location or.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
More so to the fact of maybe things that the
things the group does that may be in a negative way, like, Okay,
this is not how it should be. Maybe we should
be doing it.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Yeah, I've seen something when it comes to filming.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Perfect example, we filmed our second documentary.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
We went out to Wilson Castle in Vermont and I
needed a camera man. So I hired somebody that I
knew that was he filmed music videos or he was
trying to break into filming music videos, and I got
ahold of him. I said, hey, do you want to
film for us? You know, we're going to film our
second documentary. I'd love to get talent on this, somebody

(18:52):
that's doing film, because mind you, we're we don't we uh,
we were amateurs at this, you know, we didn't know
what we were getting into. So the second documentary, I
wanted to take somebody that we knew or that I knew.
And one of the issues that we kept having with

(19:14):
him is he would consistently talk about how he wasn't
given the time to roam the building. He would always
argue with us about trying to film his own personal
stuff while.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
We are trying to film.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
So a lot of the issue that we come across
is when you get on site, a lot of these
investigators and teammates, they don't treat it like a job.
They treat it like a free for all and they
do whatever they want. And you know me, I go
in with a full itinerary. We wake up this time,
b roll this time, this time, this time, and I've

(19:54):
been told I'm hard to work for, and this is
everybody that's come to me has said, I want to
do this as a career. I want to do this
as a job. This is what I want to do.
So in my mind, I'm like, Okay, we're running this
as a business. We're running this as you know, We're
not just showing up trying to just talk to any spirit.

(20:16):
You know, there's got to be a storyline. So it
was it's it's really hard to find people to stick
to that nowadays.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know. One another thing I wanted to ask.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
You, egos. That's the big one.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, that's a big one, right, egos. Right.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
I especially to admit it was my ego that got
to me.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Really well, at least you admit it, Mike. At least
you admit it because a lot of people, you know,
a lot of people don't you know, look at themselves
and see that maybe they that they need something worked on.
They always like to point out other what other people
are doing. But at least you admit it.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
So, oh, shadow work toward me apart right, then to
me apart. And what sucks is, I'm sure we'll hit
on other things today, like being sober and everything. But
I've done everything myself, all of it. No AA, no
twelve step program, no shadow work, like I did it all.

(21:17):
I just woke up one day and was like, what
the am I doing with my life? This is dumb.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, I'm glad you've done it and you've had the
strength to stick through it and everything, because you know,
you do find that that's an issue you being sober.
It dealt with alcohol, didn't it?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Was it? Okay? Because you know I used to go
to all these paranormal events a lot over the years.
I haven't gone to one since COVID, but back in
my younger days, twenty twelve to twenty fifteen or so,
I'd go to these events and everybody and I didn't
even drink it all back then whatsoever, but everybody was

(22:00):
so drunk and it was chaos. People were sleeping with
each other.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
What is it about people that I think all of
a sudden it start getting warning? Right? What is that?
All right? I'm just right here. Tell me, I'm tell me,
tell me right, it happens?

Speaker 6 (22:19):
What happened at the Las Vegas parau? I?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Oh, there's several things I don't want to know about.
I do know some muching.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
That hold on.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Which one was this? Which year was this? Twenty twenty three?
Two years ago?

Speaker 6 (22:38):
Two or three years ago? The Las Vegas one, the
one where nobody paid.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Okay, I don't know, but I know people that were
at the one two years ago. It's coming up on
two years or just past two years, and the stories
and I was on group audio talking like group on
our phones talking in the stories I heard. I was like,
I'm glad I don't anymore, Like I'm not.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
One that had to have been the same one, because
I don't think I don't think they've had one there
since then.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
A pair of a pair of booty going on, pair
of booty.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's Wilson Castle.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
That's a gorgeous place to go. I want to go
back there.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Sorry, I just took the picture down. You know, I
try to bring up the locations when we're talking about it,
but will, I'm so sorry. What was your question again?
We got a little side tracked.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
No, I totally forgot, to be honest, I totally forgot.
I totally forgot. No, But yeah, yeah, yeah, what is
up the dog back there? Dude?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Tell me it was creeping me out, the.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
One that's standing up there looking at me right in
my eye.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
My wife hates that doll.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Would you pick her?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
So?

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I I it's weird you call her Caroline or her Carol.
I've always gotten the an m. She won't talk to
me for some reason. For some reason, she she's she
doesn't like men, and she jokes around with me. She
won't tell me her name. I know she's fourteen. Yes,

(24:20):
I know she's fourteen. I so funny story, well, long
story short. I found her in Tennessee. My wife and
I when we travel, we like to go to antique stores.
And we were driving around the Smoky Mountains by Dollywood. Yeah, Gatlinburg.
We were driving around Gatlinburg in that whole area, and

(24:44):
I couldn't find anything. And when I was in paranormal
the most of the time, I was always open, so
I was attracted to energies and I knew what I wanted.
We went to about six antique stores and I couldn't
find anything. So we pull in to this one antique

(25:05):
store and it's huge, and something instantly this both of
these dolls back here actually are something that pulled me in.
But I'm searching through this entire antique store and it
takes me up to the third floor, all the way

(25:28):
down to this room that was just all children's stuff,
and I just I looked at that doll and that
was the exact energy that I felt, and I brought
her home. So once in a while, my wife and
I will when our room was upstairs, we'd be laying
in bed between these two dolls behind me. We would

(25:50):
hear a girl running up and down the hallway. We'd
hear a door open and close, and it's not our daughter.
We would open the door and her bedroom door would
still be close. So it's yeah, we we have some
fun with these two.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Do you do you still hear that to this day?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you put cameras up? Do you see anything? No?

Speaker 4 (26:14):
This this whole room back here is full of antiques
and a couple of items. This is I put all
this together for just whatever. Be comfortable.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
I don't even investigate here.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, I don't. I wouldn't investigate my own home ever either.
I mean, I grew up in at home.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
But if I'm bored and I want to talk to him,
I will, But.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I don't know. I kind of leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Now, everybody watched Carolina. I'm calling on Carolina or Carol.
I don't know. What I mean is watch her during
the show. If you see your moves, please make it
and chat. Who if she turns her head, if she
throws that arm up and.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
Says hello, my wife, swear she sees the head.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Move well, I always feel like her head moves to
the side. But that's why I said if her head moves.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
That, Okay, I mean, that's why I nicknamed her the Watcher.
The watch her she does watch if she is kind
of like hm.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Hmm, yeah, that pensive look. Yeah, what are you going
to do next?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So I have a question. This is going totally off
topic tonight with haunted objects. I don't have any objects.
I've been around people to have them. I personally wouldn't
have them in my home. That's just my personal preference
because if that when you have these issues that's coming
in your home and you hear hear them running up

(27:50):
and down and says, does that mean that that spirit
left that doll right then and was doing that stuff
in your house and it goes back to the doll
or can it go to something else?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
That's not anything I can ever actually explain.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
That's one of those paranormal you know, who really knows
the answer, you know, other than them.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's it's creepy. I need I need answers to that.
And see I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I'm not brave enough to try to figure that out
in my home. So kudos to the people that do that,
because I would be I would I would be paranoid.
I would be laying in the bandy left with that
Doll's doing in the luminary.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I'm not one of those that goes, you know, I
tell them they're not allowed in the house. It's you know,
I can't For all I know that doll is probably
not even haunted. I just felt drawn to it.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's true, too.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
True.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
It could be it could be a tople that you're
putting energy into, right.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Right, you know, Well, some of the stuff that I have,
I have in or were given or told to me,
were haunted by somebody that was a mentor to me
that I want absolutely nothing to do with.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
So who's to say she wasn't lying to me?

Speaker 4 (29:10):
You know, it's.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
I'm also kind of the point where I wonder if it's.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Not a self fulfilling prophecy. You know, when I I
decided to take a step away from the paranormal and
close myself off, it doesn't feel the same out here anymore,
you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I don't feel the energy as much. I don't, you know,
I don't know if that's me saying I closed myself off,
or if that's saying they don't exist, I don't really
know about Yeah, let.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Me ask you a question, if you don't mind, Emily
un absolutely. So, we talk about these investigations, right, and
we talk about the people that are involved in all this, right,
and we have the egos, right, we have the personalities
that all mixed in together. But sometimes a lot of
that stuff kind of leads over into real life and
things happened, and whether they want to blame the paranormal

(30:06):
or not, you know what I mean, being a part
of that community and you know, maybe having an influence
on things that are happening in their real life. You know,
Emily mentioned earlier Aaron, but we'll get into that later.
But there's also other cases like for instance, Debbie Mark Constantino.
I mean that whole the bottle that went down there
between those two, that was a very sad case. You know, what,

(30:29):
what do you what do you think what attributes that
what happens in those situations like that, Like if if
you if you had any you know, foresight or any
maybe thoughts to what what causes something like this to happen?
Is it the paranormal? Does it fuel that or is
it just real life and just people are just fucked
up sometimes sees my language.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
I think it's a mixture of everything. I think it's
a mixture of mentality. There's one So there's one study
that I heard and I haven't really read much into,

(31:10):
so don't quote me on it, but I would love
to dive a little bit more into it.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
But the research was, they took subjects.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
And put them in one room, extracted their DNA, put
it in another room, and then what they did is
they took the subjects that are in the room and
they showed them videos and photos of things that would
create emotion like fear, being scared, excitement. They found out

(31:44):
that the people in that room, their DNA was reacting
in a separate room, right, So what they did is
they took that DNA and they moved it three thousand
miles away. They found out that the DNA would still
reacting to the to the patients three thousand miles away.

(32:07):
So the theory is, what if everything or every person
that has ever touched you throughout your life has left
DNA on you, and you are somehow feeling their energy
and their emotions at the same time they could be
you know what I mean? So what if that's some

(32:29):
sort of effect mixed in with our own DNA and
our own ancestors DNA.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well do that makes sense too from a Christian standpoint,
because we talk about laying on his hands and praying
for each other, and like you have to be very
careful about who you allow to pray for you even
have physical contact. Yeah, it's interesting. I never thought about
that one.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
You have sex with somebody too?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Spiritual?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, yeah, whatever they carry, you carry, you're carrying, you're
becoming one with that person spiritually. Which we might talk
about that here in a little bit. But this is
a perfect segue into Aaron Goodwin and what's going on
with him. So I have a two minute clip coming up.
Let's play this clip. Let's watch this real fast, and

(33:19):
we'll talk about Aaron real fast, and then we'll get
back to you, Mike, and some animal droptails.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Surrounding the shocking alleged murder for hireplot targeting Ghost Adventure
star Aaron Goodwin as his wife Victoria remains behind bars.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I can hate there's a bad topic from her.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Let me just tell you.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Don't et obtained the police report, which says Victoria was
only going to pay around eleven five hundred dollars for
the alleged hit and it was planned with her prison
pen pal, convicted triple murderer Grant A Motto, Armed and dangerously.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Grant a Motto's accused of killing his parents and his brother.

Speaker 8 (33:57):
In the report, Victoria says she wrote to Grant after
seeing his story on a true crime documentary, and according
to seized messages, the two discussed, quote how much they
are in love?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I don't know what's even saying.

Speaker 8 (34:10):
As for the timeline of the alleged plot, October second,
Victoria allegedly sent Grant the location of Aaron's hotel where
he was filming Ghost Adventures.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
So dude, come here.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
No.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
The next day, on October third, Grant allegedly messaged the
hired hit man saying Aaron was quote asleep right now
in the hotel room and asked was it done. Later
that day, prison officials seized Grant's cell phone and communication stopped.
So why did it take five more months for Victoria's arrest?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I did not realize that this is actually going to
come back.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
That's how long it took for the lab to analyze
the contents of the phone. March fourth is when authorities
were alerted to the alleged murder plot, and two days later,
Victoria was arrested. Police say during their interview, Victoria denied
wanting Aaron killed and said she was just daydreaming.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Good luck, hold your breath, and to see what happened.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Shattered by the arrest and is getting love and support
from his Ghost Adventures team. As for security on set,
Aaron told me how they stay protected.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
What does a lockdown investigation means. Let's just say a
homeless person or someone wanted to come in, they could
go through the door. If it's locked one, they could
get there.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
How stupid can you be to contact somebody that's in
prison to kill your husband. So I'm thinking, here's what
I think she's gonna say. With all the demon talk
of Zach begins, I think she's going to bring up
that she was demonically possessed and that's what gave her
this idea and things.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
But you know it don't never work. Good good luck.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
You know what I will say this, I think it
could well.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
We got we saw Stormy Daniel's stuff kind of with
her stuff talk to I'm sorry, we just talked. We
might talked to Dolton rest well, but her paranormal stuff
was brought up into her trials and things and kind
of dismissed over all that. But you know, with all

(36:13):
the stuff that Zach Megan's does and possession and is
Zach is Aaron going to bring something home to possess her?
Like I swear, I think it could be an argument.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
It could be.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
First, I'm glad you played that clip.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
I had read a little bit into it and I
was just dumbfounded.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
M hm, Like I don't, I don't get it. I
believe it could be a possibility. You know, Stormy bringing
it up. Yeah, but who really cared about Stormy and
the paranormal? Nobody other than nobody, So she had.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
I know somebody, but I don't know if you want
to say his name, but I know somebody.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Other than we know here elsewhere. So but yeah, Zach
has made his name in the paranormal. So is Aaron
when it comes to this stuff. And from an honest,
me being honest, narcissistic standpoint, I used to do that
with my wife Sometimes I would blame it on something else.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I have.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I've admitted it to her.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, that's good to do, because you know, I have
dated a narcissist in the paranormal field, and he would
can continue to use that as excuse or use his
sign as I'm a scorpio. I'm a scorpio.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
This is how we are. You know.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
I find those to me, those are excuses.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
It's one of the things I tell I try and
tell my wife with these kids, is she goes, well,
that's what a twelve year old does. That's what a
thirteen year old boy does. And I go, know what
thirteen year old boy does that because you let him.
That's not what a thirteen year old boy is supposed
to be doing if you teach them properly.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Poor guy, Poor guy searching for demons and ghosts and
he had one right in his bedroom the whole time.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
A demon. That's what she's gonna say, She's a demon.
She's got possessed. Zach Began's brought it over. Aaron brought
it over. I swear I guarantee that we brought up
in the court documents we're gonna see. But did Aaron,
But did Aaron know about this back in October and
just when the investigation or did they just bring it

(38:44):
on to him in March ten days?

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I think that's exactly what happened. I think that's exactly
what happened. The secondary part, well, how about it.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
They knew about it and they were trying to build
it right, so.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
They just kept him like we're gonna watch her. Maybe
she was followed to for the last six months and
watch her make sure Aaron doesn't get killed. And Aaron
had protectors and didn't even know it move all the
way Zac Vegans, the guys out there in front.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Of the of the locations Ghost Adventures has got to
be doing bad if she's only willing to pay eleven grand.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, and it was a weird number. It was eleven thousand,
five hundred and fifteen. It's a weird number. Does that
mean something to her?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Like fifteen?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It was that it was the number thirteen.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I don't know. Those are stipend for lunch, that's what
it was at fifteen dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know, these locations to also makes me think of
the Conjuring House and all the drama that's gone on
with the Conjuring Houses past year. And this woman that
took over that. Have you been to the Conjuring House.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
I have not. I didn't follow any of that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I haven't been there, but I've had a lot of
friends I followed it. But I'm sitting here and I
went back. I went down her little rabbit hole conjuring
house with all these investigators. It's said, the same crew
that go I mean, you got it on TV, but
then the same crew of people go to it and
do all these documentaries and you really don't know what
they're dumping off in this in this location either. But

(40:23):
this woman, everybody gave her a really, really hard time.
I don't know her history before the Conjuring House. Nothing's
really mentioned about her. But if that house demonically possessed
the parents or prone or however you say their names,
wouldn't you think it would affect her too? If she's

(40:43):
in there day in, day out and she's really obsessed
about the location, Like I felt like there was no
empathy towards her at all or try to get in.
She did check herself into a psych ward like. I
think that these locations, the owners of these locations too,
I mean, we need to have a little bit more
grace in some aspects of it. She was, but she
was acting terrible. But I don't know if she's ever

(41:06):
done that before. Have you ever felt that way, when
you've gone into a location and you feel like something
consumed you.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Personally? No, I don't say I could.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
What's one of the biggest things as far as misconceptual
well not misconceptions, but what's one of the things that
people are not aware of when they see these TV
shows like ghost Adventures and stuff like that, that is
a lot of it sensationalized? Would you say more than
half fifty.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I would say it is.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
That's why Zach gets a lot of hate on social media.
People tend to forget they got to show to sell.
I like that.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
He's a businessman. Yeah, he's a businessman, whether you like
me or not. I got to show to sell. Mm hmm,
that's it.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
What do you feel about people like him, like quietly
putting people kind of like out of business as far
in the paranormal field, you know, the whole thing that
happened with him and I believe it was Cody.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I believe it was Cody and them. Was that.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, I don't really remember what came of that or
what the whole story was. I I think it's I
really don't know how to put it, to be honest,
mm hmm. I in my opinion, I think these TV shows,
the these TV channels just aren't going to be around
much longer.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
I think everybody's going towards streaming.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Ye, But I do think I do.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
I do believe it was going to be streaming from
the start.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
But I do think what Zach.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Did was kind of I don't wrong by from a
business standpoint, I get it.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
He's the number one TV shows, the number one you know, just.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I don't know, entertainment sells, and he's respects Zach And
you can't look at Zach's shows and take him seriously
as a paranormal investigator. If you're truly wanting to learn
technique and all that kind of stuff. You gotta look
at it as entertainment value.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And he's the kid, and he's been around for a
long time.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
And I couldn't I couldn't tell you the last time
I watched The Ghost Adventures. But my editing style was
based off of theirs. That's I like the grunginess, that's.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I like it too now so let's go, because you
have had experience with a network that a lot of
us know that isn't like on Travel Channel or anything
like that, but Paraflex. Tell us how you came apart
be a part of Paraflex and what might have happened
and why you're no longer with them.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
So I got started with Paraflex. Originally I made a
Facebook post joking about how well, not even joking, I
was kind of dead serious about knowing what it's like
to not have people that want to film documentaries but
you want to, you know. I kind of wanted to
start a production company, and that's when Natalie reached out

(44:28):
to me to be a business partner of Strange Goot Media,
her production company. That led her into asking me to
be executive producer and executive of Paraflex, which would be

(44:48):
all the graphic design work, all the video editing work,
logo designs, all the marketing designs, pretty much everything. Natalie
and I we had our issues, we didn't always see
eye to eye. We we had our drama, but I

(45:14):
won't say I can't say she was ever other than
the one. One of the personal experiences I had and
some of the ways that I've personally felt about her,
but when it comes to Paraflex, I will say she's
put a lot of.

Speaker 6 (45:33):
Hard work into it from my standpoint, from what I've seen.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
That that being said, I left Paraflex because I felt
like I was being walked all over. I felt like
I was being used. There was not a whole lot
of communication. I felt like I was being underpaid. I

(45:59):
was seeing the amount of money that Natalie was spending
on her traveling and giving money and equipment and sponsoring
other teams and doing all this, you know, while I'm
in the background kind of trying to form my own

(46:20):
thing with no you know, Okay, I see you're doing this.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Here's a little bit of help to you, A little
bit of help to you.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
That's how I saw it. Then now I'm not even
upset about it anymore. That was just the ego. That
was the jealousy from me.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't think that's jealousy. I mean, just what you
do is a lot of work, Mike. That's not jealousy. Yeah, yeah,
don't gaslight yourself and thinking is jealousy because it's not.
You've done a lot of work, and that's how I
found out who you were I think was through Paraflex
and at the time she was thinking about bringing on

(47:01):
some podcasts and they were reached out to me. I
don't know who it was as an email, and so
I did a deep dive on her in my rabbit
holes before I thought about it, and because I had
already had experiences with some bad networks in the paranormal,
my conclusion was absolutely not not getting involved. And if
I can, if I bring that up in a few minutes,

(47:22):
I'll bring it up. And I'm sorry Will, because I
don't even know if I told Will all this stuff
okay back in the day, but you know, I found
out that Paraflex came from a company in Germany and
she used the same thought and everything on that with
the cursive and just added an extra X. Like I
went down a rabbit hole. Found out that she was
doing a para con in Dallas and was inviting a

(47:44):
lot of my friends to it, was paying all their
travel time and all this stuff. It was like, it's
not going to happen. I used to do a lot
of paranormal of its down Florida, and so I contacted
the Dallas location that this was going to be had
like they were going to have it at it was
never on the books, and then all of a sudden,
Alice Hari con didn't happen. I kept telling my friends,
do not take time off, do not take vacation. It's

(48:06):
not gonna happen. There's some other stuff with Natalie. I
don't feel right to say at the time, but it's
bad news. The same people you want birds of a
feather flock together. And over the years of me doing this,
we've stayed off of network now for year a little
over a year, well we were on a radio station,
but off in network probably two years now. And the

(48:28):
reason why I were staying solo still is because so
much drama that goes on is the same people over
and over, and they go from network to network, and
I just don't get involved anymore. I just don't and
I don't trust Natalie. I'll just flat out say it.
I don't trust her. I was friends with her at
one time on Facebook and she went live for three hours.
I'm just spelling it all, spilling the tea she wrote

(48:50):
three hours, maybe even more, but it was live off
and on, arguing with her husband on Facebook, like calling
him every name of the book, all stuff I'm like, dude,
I do not want to be held and that's when
I'm frintedor and I've blocked her. I've never had a
conversation with her ever. I will say that, but there's
too many red flags for me. And I think you're

(49:11):
a good person and I want you to gaslight yourself.
And I felt like that you would always have some
kind of issues as long as you're attached to that network.
And I even told some friends before we don't talk.
I don't talk gossip very much at all with paranormal people.
I just cut and go. But I've said some things

(49:31):
and I said, my Catcher is a great guy. If
he gets away from Paraflex, watch out, he'll be unstoppable.
And I have really said that. I think you're a
great person. I think he did a lot of work
for that network. And I think that you have every
right to question where's the money? There we go, I
said it all.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I appreciate that, especially after finding out she got a
large investment that nobody knew about. Mm hmm, yeah that works.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Well, she came out of nowhere in the paranormal field too.
She wrote one book and then all of a sudden
she was out there and I'm like, who is this person?
Everybody's like talking was like, has anybody ever talked to
her about anything? Like Emily, you gotta have Natalie on
your shit and have Natalie on a.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Show, And I was like no, I thought she was
this big name person in the field.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Man. When I left Paraflex, I'll tell you what, I've
come to realize how many people do not like her.
I'm not gonna continue, I'm not gonna say anything, but wow,
I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she's ripping off people
when it comes to streaming platforms too, because but I
don't know. Things have changed obviously over the last several years.
I was on a TV show, Paranormal Journeys. We were
on twenty two channels in nine different states. We weren't
on Travel Channel or anything. But then we were also
on Roku at the time, and we were one of

(50:58):
those hop down download It's top ten downloads on Roku.
This was from two thousand and fifteen to twenty eighteen.
I was in three seasons with him, and I got
paid for my travel, got paid to be on the show,
and all that kind of stuff. Which was great. But
you know, I've talked to that producer because we've thought
about with what the Frenk Live, how our own Roku

(51:20):
channel and all that kind of stuff. So he looked
into it for me and for us. I mean, I'm
sure there's a lot more in production of a TV show,
but for a podcast show. He told me it would
just be eighty dollars a month for Roku to start
it up. But you know, I don't know how many
channels that is. I don't know what the production stuff is.

(51:41):
I don't know, but I don't know. I just feel
like that's kind of cheap for Roku, yeah channel, I
don't know what.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, but show at three o'clock in the morning. You
know nobody's seen that.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You know, that's the Witching out, but you're on baby.
But you know, he was well, he was also telling
me that was around the same price as what we
were back they stopped filming in twenty nineteen. I quit
the show a year before they stopped. They did another season,

(52:16):
but that's almost He's told me on the phone. He says,
that's about the same price that they charged us for
Paranormal Journeys. I said, really, because Yeah, if they charged
way more than that I made, I will pay you. So,
you know, I don't you know, obviously it's a long
time ago now, but I don't trust these people that
are streaming to multiple platforms now and promising these things,

(52:39):
and then they may be charging you to stream your
show on there and they're making bank off of it.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
What do you think, Mike? Is the thing in the
paranormal feeling? Is everybody just that cut throat? Everybody wants
to be the next Zach Begins. Oh, and everybody undercuts everything, right?
Is that what it is? Everybody's sting each other's throat.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Right, I see it is every there.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
It's constant backstabbing. You know, you can't even crack a
joke without somebody getting offended. Right, It's I I see
it as high school. You know, you got you got
the people that want to film, the ones that step

(53:24):
on toes name drop, the ones that they're the bullies.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Then it's then you got.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Your retirees, the ones that you know just don't care anymore.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
It's like groups like little niche groups, right.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Intermingle and then when they are intermingled together, all of
them are yeaping right, and it's it's it's just.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Bad game of high school telephone is all.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
It becomes.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Sucks it really kind of It turns a lot of
people off in the field, really, because I've talked to
so many people in the field and you know, they've
done it for ten fifteen years, and they're like, yeah,
I don't do it anymore. I'm over it. It's scorched earth.
As they say to me. I'm like, nah, no, I
don't want to get involved anymore. The same people doing
the same shit, burn each other, you know, left and right,

(54:21):
cut each other.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
You know, it's getting watered down. Yeah, high and really.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Honestly, there's really nothing new that's come out either. It's
the same stuff over and over. How many I mean,
I love the paranormal field, but we did so many
paranormal interviews. I've had everybody under the sun on the
show except for Zach Begins and Ghost some interest, but
like we've had everybody, right, you know, it's the same
things over and over again.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
That and how many things can I look at and
go I want to turn this into a spirit box.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
Like right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Dido has a spirit box
in it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
That's a haunted object. That's a rampod for you.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's a all right, I'm sure it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the next name of a porn ramp initially some kind
of paranormal porno kind of stuff out there.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
That's why we got storm Stormy Daniels, We got Stormy.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Yeah, you know, just name it the Stormy Stormy.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, one hundred and fifty k that's what we should
call it.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Yeah, either, I don't know, they're just it's that's that's hands.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
No, you're right, you're absolutely right. Like I see it
all the time too. Man Like they'll take everything and
try to make.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
It rich, you know, and then up the word ghost
on it and everybody buys it.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Yeah, there is some good.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Ones out there that there are that are They work
hard and I admire them in some aspects, and they
kind of stay it away from these different network platforms
that we've seen just not you know, on Facebook or
YouTube or whatever. And it is a lot of work
and I admire them for and keep doing that if
that's what they want to do. But you know, I'm

(56:41):
at that point too, will like, I stopped getting involved
with all things it feels different, though it feels great. Honestly,
I feel a lot.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I feel so stressed free. Yeah, Like I told my
wife yesterday, like for the longest, like you you've seen me,
like my videos on TikTok and the changes I've been
making in the journey. One of the things that I
really went through the hardest was being at that height

(57:12):
of semi popularity in the field of knowing so many people,
always being busy texting, messaging to talking to absolutely nobody, And.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
It sucked it really, especially when you go through the
journey of.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Just trying to be a better person all around, you
start seeing people differently, you don't want to be around people,
and you do. You start to get really really lonely.
And I told my wife the other day, I was like,
you know what, I don't even care anymore. I was like,
I don't miss anybody. I don't miss my phone going.

(57:54):
I don't even charge my phone anymore. If it's dead,
it's dead, Like, I don't care. It's been so amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
It does feel good because as a podcast in the
on the like pun TV was drama out the ying
Yang like I have never like that was me coming
from Paranormal Warehouse that we all got along, and then
I go to pun TV really excited, like yay, yeah,
we lost that, but this is good network. They put

(58:23):
me in these group chats. I had to turn my
phone like it would They would chat so much during
the day and all the time that it would drain
my battery. I can't even tell you how many times
during the day, and I had to remove myself. So
when I removed myself from the chat, everybody's what's wrong
with them? What's going on? And then that sucked me
into drama when I kind of got set up, like.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
Dude, it was.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Awful, and I do believe I was set up on
that network. There's a lot of stuff going on. But
I also found out a lot of other stuff about
Natalie on that network that I saw videos of for
a fact, and that just confirmed when she was because
she was reaching out to me at the same time,
because we left Paranormal Warehouse and she was reaching out
to me at the same time to possibly come to

(59:13):
that network. So I learned a lot during the drama,
but I kept my mouth shut and I moved on
and I was like, I don't want any of this.
I'm out piece and I left and we eventually got
on another radio station, I think is what was next.
But I don't know these people. I don't know how
they live the way they live with all that. Maybe

(59:34):
that's the only thing that they got going for them.
I don't know. You know, we all got kids and stuff.
You know, we're busy outside of Some of these people
don't have kids. I have noticed that, or their kids
are way older and they're doing it. But it's it's
just a nightmare in many aspects.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Go ahead, will Mike, Let me ask you a question.
So a lot of these different pieces of equipment that
people use on these investigations, you being an editor and
being you know, pulling all the stuff together. What's the
one piece of let's say, equipment that you just say,
I just such bullshit for me? And I will tell
you this, and I'm gonna start with this. It's the

(01:00:14):
XLS camera where you can see the little body and
all that bullshit. You know what I mean to me,
I don't find that very incredible at all. But what
what what's it for you? Let me let me ask
you that question, since you've been in it so long.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Dowsing rods, Oh yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I watched them on TikTok and they're rocking back and
forth in their chair like rods. I'm like, you're rocking
back and forth.

Speaker 6 (01:00:40):
I also proved this. I proved this to my wife.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Everything comes down to intent, and everything comes down to
the person holding those right. I've done experiments with my
wife using dowsing rods where I will using my mind
to get I will write the answers down and in

(01:01:05):
my mind I will tell my energy and these rods
what to say after every question, and all of those
answers are wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Hm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
So you know what I mean? Like how Yeah, crick it,
crick it. Anything that can be controlled through energy, through
any sort of intent or manipulation, I believe is not
is not credible.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, I get it. Okay, I don't second question, since
you're an editor and I'm the same way too, I'm
a techi. What is your go to UH program to edit?
What do you use?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Final Cut pro Final Cut?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
I've gotten cheap lately.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
I've been using cap Cut Okay, and that's only because
how Apple did their upgrades Final Cut prods and Apple
program right the way Apple did their upgrade to Final
Cut pro. I couldn't update my computer, so it's it's
it's I haven't used a new final cut pro. But

(01:02:13):
I am the self taught when it comes to editing,
so it's what I've always used. Illegally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
There you go, illegally? Did you say illegally or legally?

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Yeah? Legally, legally, legally, legally, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
It's legal, folks. So my last question for you and
then we'll we'll close out. We'll let you go. But
for people that are just now getting into this, because
there's always a new generation coming up. We're all in
our forties now, what is something that you could tell
new people coming in and maybe trying to join a
network or something. What's something that they should look for

(01:02:58):
in editing purposes are putting something together or joining a network.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Don't feel like you got to do it all, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
I one of the things I didn't like about some
of my teammates was the stepping on toes, feeling like
they wanted to do designs. I get it, but.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
I don't put out regards. Don't I don't want things.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Just just don't feel like you have to know how
to do it all just because it's there. Doesn't mean
to go do it. Definitely keep your circle small. Yeah
that's number one. I oh yeah, circle small. Trust your intuition,
trust your gut.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Asked us, if you all, if you're going to the network,
contact Mike will Emily.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
That's such good advice. People don't realize how good of
advice that is. I've taken that advice since the beginning.
I'm the most unknown paranormal investigator you'll ever find, and
that's my design.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I mean, it depends what you're getting into it for.
Are you trying to get into a TV show or
you just want to be a hobbyist. If you're trying
to create a show, you're spending more money than you
make it. Good luck, there's so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
There is absolutely a lot. But if all us fellas
talk to us about the networks, I don't care. If
somebody reaches out to me, Hey, did you ever have
your podcast on this network? What was your experience, I'll
be truth full and honest with you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
I that's why I don't talk to one of them anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
I went to one of the networks, I know it's
somebody you're friends with, and I'm not going to say,
who oh, no, I don't know if I don't know
if you still are, but it's somebody who has the
network out now or they're going to. And I remember
making a comment saying, oh, yeah, a new streaming service

(01:05:14):
I can support, just as long as you keep the
sexual predators away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And I think I know what you're talking about, and he.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Goes, he asked me, He goes, well, what are you
talking about. I was like, well, I don't support this
network because of such and such. And I don't support
this network because it's such and such, and then he
blocked me. I was like, oh, so you must support
these people because I won't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
At the same time, yeah, can.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We bring morality back? Like there's no moral compass in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Any of this with people to get around to get
what you want. You know, I've seen it. I've filmed
personally with an investigator. Then I won't say names. I
know she's married and one of the last investigations we
did two together, just the way the guy put his
hand on her stomach.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Just know that that I was uncomfortable knowing she was married.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, that happens so much and it's disgusting. Bring moral
compass back to this because you know, a lot of
times they're visiting these locations, but sometimes most I don't
know about them, But me, I did residential locations. I
take that a lot serious, more serious than I do
a large location that it is a dumping ground and

(01:06:37):
you don't know who goes in and out, like this
is something serious. Don't go to resididential investigation thinking you're
going to hook up with Matthew, you know, or or
drink like a lot of them drink a lot and
they're drunk investigating. I've been with them residential investigations. I've
been with them. I just don't think that it's a
time or the place. Spiritual warfare is real real. You

(01:07:00):
don't know if this place is haunted. You don't know
what's going on there. Nine times out of ten it's
probably not haunted, but you still don't know. You don't
know what that family is going through.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
You're going there with low vibrational energy right there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
So well, Mike, we're I do have your Facebook, Am Hatcher,
I do have your TikTok up at h eight, Mike Hatchers.
Is there anywhere else anybody can find you or follow you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Or right now? That's it?

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
I cut down on a lot of the paranormal stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
I am working on something slowly, very very very slowly,
and that is only because, like I said earlier, the
journey that I've been going on, the problem I've had
in life is I was a dreamer. I dreamed and
I tried reaching, and I'm turning forty going what the
fuck did I do?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
So that's where I'm at now. I'm starting slowly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
I'm implementing all these things that I'm learning in my
daily life in order to teach people, because that's what
I want to do is I want to tell my
story about my past and.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
My overcoming addiction and depression.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
But it's being built very slowly because I want to
learn first. I don't want to jump, you know. That's
even God. God said it's not going to come. You know,
I lost my train of thought.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Well, it's it's not a It's it's not a it's
on a short race. It's a marathon, right. Is that
what I'm saying is Hello, Okay, it's a marathon. It's
like it takes time.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Right. It's when you when you push and push to grow,
you're only blocking yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
You're only putting more negativity. If you just gradually let
it build, that's when it starts flowing. And that's where
I'm at. So I'm going back to my roots a
little bit when it comes to music, nice and a
radio station.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
You're here here first, but yes, I'm in the behind
the scenes rebuilding everything, just tearing it all down, rebuilding
ground up, back to my roots, paranormal music and a
little bit of coaching in there as well. I just gotta.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Keep fighting to be me, so it'll it'll slowly be built,
one thing at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
That's the best way to child hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
We're excited to see what happens. You're always welcome to
my phone with the frick love anytime. Chat it up.
It could be about nothing. We can sit here and talk.
We can talk about Caroline behind you more we want to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
So yeah, absolutely, well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
We'll let you go. We thank you Mike for being
on this evening. We see the best. Thank you so much,
and I'll be messaging you fortly.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
I'm sure we got so much more to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yes, we do. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
You have a good day, Emily, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
There we go, Mike, my catcher. I know, I love him.
He's such a great guy, and you know, it does
take time. It takes a long time to build a kingdom.
And I'm excited to see what happens with him. And
I've watched him from afar for many years. He's very
super talented and graphic design. Almost thought about reaching out
to him to come up with what the frick Live

(01:10:32):
logo and maybe some other videos type stuff back in
the day. But he's just a phenomenal person. His whole
family is. So anyway, next week we're going to continue
on with I can't wait because she was on Paranormal
Warehouse with us Karen kerper Paranormal Brew. We're going to

(01:10:52):
be bruned up next week with some paranormal drama that
she's gone through with. I think it's called be Haunted
TV now work, which I was warned not to be
part of, and she was part yeah, way ahead of time.
And I had a friend reach out to me because
he joined that network, and I told him what I
was told. I said, I don't know if it's true

(01:11:13):
or not, but I don't spread stuff. Only if somebody
reaches out to me, I said, I will not be
part of that network. Well, then he was part of
it for a little bit. He ended up quitting because
of the drama. Tearing was part of it. I didn't
ever message Tearing about it. She's exposing I think it's
be haunted.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I'll have to double check, but yeah, that's gonna be next.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Let's not talk.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah it might be haunted TV. I can't remember, but
you're gonna yeah. I didn't have it on my posted notes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Go judge me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
And I'm forty four. Now I'm forty four. But thank
you everybody for tuning in this evening. We really appreciate you.
Please share the show out and we're available on all
POKS platforms. We'll see you next Friday here at seventeen,
mister Starre time, have a wonderful, awesome week, Happy Spring.
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