#109 Unlocking Kubrick: The Mind Behind the Madness w/ Kevin Watson

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Speaker 1 (01:00):
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Speaker 3 (02:58):
How are you doing Friday at thirteenth?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, Friday thirteenth, which is lucky number because I was
born on Friday thirteenth in March. But yes, happy Friday thirteenth. Everybody,
Thank you so much. Will. What's happening over there with
you this week? Anything?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, we had a I am distracted a little bit
my phone.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, no, no, that's all good. Yeah. We had a new
episode come out today At Dark Fringe Radio, we had
an interview with author Keith Thompson and he wrote a
book called The UFO Paradox and it really gets into
about what the whole UFO phenomenon is, about how it's
changed our culture and how it's changed the way we've
perceived a lot of different things in the universe and
the world, especially with religion and politics, and we talk

(03:43):
about disclosure, We talk about a lot of different things
around the same subject. So yeah, check it out. Dark
Fringe Radio dot Com interview with Keith Thompson, author of
the book The UFO Paradox. So check it out.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yes, I'm so excited to check that out. Well, you know,
we've been into UFOs and foot and all that stuff
over here lately too, So all these cryptid things all
new rabbit holes for me because I'm learning about a
lot of these myself. But I absolutely believe in aliens.
Out of all of them, I believe in aliens. And
I don't know if I classifying as aliens might classifying
as something else, but they exist exist. So I'm gonna

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say this. My mom's gonna kill me if she ends
up watching this. Hold on, let me see if I
have it here. Yeah, I do. Okay, we want to
do a shout out to Ashlyn Paul Blazer High School
fiftieth class reunion they're celebrating this weekend. Here's my mom
her senior picture in high school. So congratulations mom on

(04:44):
being there for your year class reunion. They're gonna be
on the football field tonight at Putnam Stadium. My son
is going there. He's gonna be with mom My Mom
He's like.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Like her mom, Oh my gosh, I'll put it looks like.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Her too, Jet has It's wow. She is, yes, and
she she's a retired teacher from Ashland Pulp Ashland School
District too. So she graduated there, taught there for twenty
eight years. And they'll be there at the football game
this evening. They'll be out on the field and my
son's going and he was like, do you think I
could be on the field with Nana too? That's for sure?

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Why not? Like I don't care? Right ahead.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
In the high school too, right, he goes.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
To the middle school. He's in eighth grade. Oh okay, yes,
next week, so but anyway, we're gonna go. I'm dressed
as Windy again to nothing.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Oh lord you are?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah? I did better last year, everybody, No.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's not bad, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay, I did better last year at the costume when
I was Windy for Halloween. But I had to dress up, Like,
when's it? When's the other time I want to wear
this outfit? What I'm going to do? Should I do
this on a first date? Sometimes meet the guy.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
A guy cannot appreciate that after like the first date,
then I don't know what seriously, because yeah, yeah, I
think that's a good you know, icebreaker right there, Like, oh,
this is different, this is a different approach.

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we're gonna move on tonight because we got a lot
to talk about about Stanley Kubrick and so welcome to

(06:35):
What the Freak Live this evening. We are gonna dive
into the secrets of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. It's a
classic horror movie. It has all kinds of cryptid messages
in it, a lot of symbolism. But who's joining us
tonight is gonna be Kevin Watson, and we're gonna we're
gonna pull him up here. We're gonna play the trailer
of The Shining from nineteen eighty But Kevin Watson, he's

(06:56):
a talented sound designer for top shows on Disney Plus
and Netflix. He's also the founder of w kW Creative,
which is a website that will be also showing and
promoting here tonight on What the Freak Live. He has
a passion in film. He shares sharp insights on storytelling
and movies, revealing some hidden layers in the movies. And

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these layers on the shining go on and on and on.
So let's watch the trailer and then we'll have Kevin
on after this. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I don't suppose they tell you anything in Denver about
the tragedy we had up here during the winter in
nineteen seventy on heired a man named Charles Grady is
the winter caretakers.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
From what I've been.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Told, I mean, he seemed like a completely normal individual,
but at some point during the wonder pain must have
suffered some kind of a complete mental breakdown.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
He ran a muck and killed his family.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
Well, you can rest assured, mister Olman, that's not going
to happen with me.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's right, mom.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
They really will go tell some Sure, it'll be lots
of fun.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
The only thing that you can get a bit trying
up here during the winter is a tremendous sense of isolation.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Is there something about you?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, you will have to deal with this matter in
the harshest possible way.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Indeed that he kills you a daan.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Anything you do, I'm not gonna purture.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
I'm just gonna bash your brains.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Here's Johnny, Here's Johnny.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Is there one that came out like promoting the film
it's nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And then they redid it where they did a release
on it from made the twenty third of several years back. Oh,
here comes to music again. I'm sorry, here it around. Yes,
we have Kevin. I'm sorry. I was listening to the
music too. I have a lot of things going on
over here. But yeah, that is the trailer that came

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out and the infamous Here's Johnny like has been repeated
over and over and I'll call that. Oh, it's even
in the Simpsons in it. Here's Johnny and the Simpsons
everything everywhere. Well, thank you Kevin for being part of
What the Freak Live. We appreciate you, and we we
found out this is Kevin's first time on a podcast.
So if anybody's listening to this has a podcast, reach

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out to Kevin Watson on TikTok I have his TikTok
information and his website will be pushing through the show
here as we go. But thank you everybody for tuning
in show this out, and Kevin, I I'm so glad
I found you on TikTok. Yeah, yeah, you're one of
the if you look up the Shining decoded, that's what
I put in. You're like one of the first videos

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that pops up.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh yeah, did you know that it was a Shining video?
Uh huh, yep, I've noticed that more. Two thousand and
one are the ones that go like popular and Eyes
Wide Shut. People people love Eyes Wide Shut because it's
very very much like conspiratorial, right, I mean, all of
Kubrick's films are, but like eyes Wide Shut is one

(10:31):
that like people like the elites, right, So people people
love love just talking about that because it's you know,
it's kind of more more real than than the other two.
You know, two thousand and one and the Shining are
there's a lot of conspiracy behind them. But but Eyes
Wide Shut is something that people can like really feel

(10:51):
in today's world. And so I find that fetched. Yeah
really like it's not it's yeah, it's the truth.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, do you think it's these movies or do you
think it's just the man behind the movie, Stanley Kubrick,
Because you know, are people drawn to these because he
also has Clockwork Orange that a lot of us, you know,
watch in Decode and he kind of mixes the shining
in with Clockwork Orange, especially with the music and everything.
He almost uses the same in the theme of going

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into Clockwork Orange. Do you think it?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I mean, we're.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Fascinated with the movies, but should we just be more
fascinated with the man behind it?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah? Absolutely, he is a genius, Like just straight up,
he's a genius. I watched a documentary about him. It's
called Stanley Kubrick's Boxes. I don't know if you guys
have watched that before, but like it basically takes you
through after he passed away. They go through all of
the boxes that he left in his estate and like

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there's warehouses filled with us these boxes, like just organizing
absolutely everything in his life. And it's it is insanity,
Like how organized the guy was. Every every single thing
that kind of happened and came his way, he had
a folder and a file and like it was all
filed in these boxes, completely organized. So if he had

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a thought about, like, oh, I need you know, ten
years ago, I took pictures of doors for this movie
to like, you know, filming locations. He's like, boom, right there,
there's the file. It's filed here, it was in July.
It's all all very much organized in these in these boxes,
and it's just it's crazy to see how the guy's

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brain works. Like you watch that documentary and you see
that he was on a different level, like completely on
a different level. His brain works differently than anybody else's.
Like I always think like, oh, I'm capable of so much,
but when you read about somebody like that, like it is,
it's very humbling, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It is. And so I I have a question that
I have will ask you some questions too. So we're
talking about Stanley Kubrick here, and you know, my first
love of him is The Shining. I was born in
nineteen eighty one on Friday the thirteenth, and so I
grew up watching this. At times, I remember my mom
covering my eyes on some of some of the clips there.

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The Shining I couldn't watch. But we know, Stanley Kubrick
is on a different level than anything. So when you
watch watch this and coming from your background that you have, Kevin,
what do you think his deeper message is in in
the movie The Shining in.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Particular, like what what specific things?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, like what kind of deeper messages than what we
would just in here.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think that the movie in general is you know,
I think there's two ways of watching movies, and with
Stanley Kubrick, it's it's like, you really got to dial
into this. You can watch the movie for the plot
that's right in front of you, like dialogue, action's locations,
and then there's another side to it. And if you
start going down that rabbit hole of analyzing Stanley Cooeper's films,

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you will find a million different things, and a lot
of people write them off almost because it's it's like,
you know, the sky is blue because blah blah blah.
You know that kind of joke that you had when
you were in English class in high school, like, oh,
you're looking way too into this. But things connect, and
the guy was so smart that he could put all

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of these messages into a movie that was telling a
like a simple story, but behind the scenes there's so
much going on that people that want to see it,
they will see it, and people that don't want to
see it just have a movie to watch, you know,
it's fine. And that's why I think his movies are
just they're still around today, and like what other kind

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of movies are are are like this, Like people where
you are sitting here right now talking about these movies
that were made so long long ago, and there's still
you still don't really know everything about about any of it.
Like it's just it's it's constantly every time that you
watch the movies, you pick something out, Like just before
I was I hopped on here, I was watching, I

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was rewatching the movie, and just little things like you know,
the first time that you see the two twins when
Danny's playing darts and then he turns around and he
sees the two twins. Like right after that, you go
to a different scene fifteen seconds later and these two
women that look exactly the same are saying goodbye to Allman,

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the hotel manager, and they're just it's just like little
things like that that you constantly pick up on. Yeah,
there's parallels to this. There's just like that just happened
and then this is happening. So if you're looking for
those things you really can find them.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Duality, a lot of duality, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
An, especially in the shining, like tons of it.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Also one that i've you know that every
he talks about and I'm sure it is very popular
and for those that do or don't know, but the
moon landing hoax allegory about you know, this is probably
one of the most famous ones obviously, you know, you
know the little kid Danny with the sweater, with the
Apollo eleven sweater, you know, the the hotel looking like

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that launch pad. There was all these things that were
like all kind of like pointing to you know, the
moon landing hoax. You talk about that if you could.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I am not a proponent of that, to be completely okay,
and I'm not really because I think that it is
stretching just a small amount. I really do think that
if you guys have insight on it, I'd love to
hear it. But one thing that I do find a
little bit strange is that his two thousand and one

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footage looks very, very very similar, you know. So that
is one thing that kind of makes me think a
little bit. But that's one, you know, that's one that personally,
it's going a little bit far, but okay, if you
guys want to chat about that, like we totally can.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah I will.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah. No, Like Emily just you know, pointed out here
this picture and that was one thing that I brought
up to. And then you know, the kind of like
the eerie nature of the whole film itself, like like
you were saying, like you can watch a film in
two different ways. You can watch a film for the
plot itself, but then you can look at it from
a lot of different angles, and you know that theory
kind of lands into the psychological toll like supposedly like

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kuber Can you know, endured when he was kind of
like if you believe this whole theory that he was
asked to fake the moon landing. So you know that
was kind of like an allgory to what was happening
in the in the shining out. You know how much
pain that he was kind of suffering through my doing
what he did.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well because I think the moon landing. Oh no, go ahead, no, Kevin,
you go ahead.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
See when I say stuff like this, I always you know,
you're never certain about anything, right, So there's so many
things in this world that I you know, you cannot
believe everything that you're told. Ever, ever, you have to
be skeptical about absolutely everything. You can't believe anything that
you're told. It's just that's the era that we live in. Absolutely.

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So when I say that I'm not a proponent, I'm
not for or against. I just I haven't seen anything
that's convinced me enough personally. But I just so speaking
in certainty with that, I can't. I can't at all.
So I am not on either side of it, really,
But this is one that maybe I just haven't looked
into it enough.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
But maybe that's what Stanley Kubrick wants to do. Yeah, right,
I was a genius like that, Like, yeah, let's just
do one or two things in here, and then we're
going to be having people talk for about this for
thirty forty years.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I do have a clip of Stanley Kubrick talking
about the moon landing and how he was asked. This
is before he passed away. So let's play this clip
real quick and just listen to what do you have
to say?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
The moon landings were fake?

Speaker 7 (19:04):
But what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know what you're dying? Right?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
You're referring to something.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
The moon, the fake moon landing. Well, I was contacted
by NASA.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Okay, when where why? I mean, what happened.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
Before I started making two thousand and one, So in
the mid sixties sometimes and they were planning this fake
moon landing.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
They wanted to why do they have to fake it?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Why?

Speaker 9 (19:31):
Because it is impossible to get to the moon.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Finally, he said that.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
We can't tell people the truth that we can't get
to the moon. If you think of of our space
program and how many trips we have made since the
ellected moon landing, right they stopped in nineteen seventy two.
What sense does that even make that if we went
there what three or four times between sixty nine and

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seventy two and haven't gone since, nor has anyone else,
not even the Russians.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
It just it's a little bit of a stretch of
the imagination molds.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, Like, what do you think about that? When he
says that, like I believe him, Like it makes a
lot of sense. Was that the Yeah, it was good?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Okay, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Know, I don't know, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Maybe he says, I've always I've always been you know,
it is like space is of a thing that you know,
I was talking about this like a couple of weeks
ago with my brother, like, you cannot believe that when
we study all this stuff, it's just these are the facts,
and this is exactly what's going on. This is how

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people take information like this all the time. This is real,
This is the truth, except it if you say anything
against it, you're a conspiracy theorist. But just being skeptical
of stuff like that, Like even if you just mention
that you don't know, I don't know, I don't I
really don't know, you're labeled as something right, like you
really are. It's a quick label that people give out.

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But I think that a huge flaw that we have
right now just in the world is that you just
we blindly accept the information that we're given without a
second thought. Like analysis is so important, and it's something
that we don't do. And you know what, I analyze
it all the time all the time, and a lot
of the times that I'm wrong, right, but at least

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at least I'm trying to do the work and question things.
And I just think, you know that it's wrong. It
is very wrong to just accept things. So when I
see stuff like that, the moment that I that I
hear stuff like that. It is an immediate question of
I don't know, I need to look into it. I
really do, you know, because I know the traditional way

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of like the just the yeah, the traditional way of
like looking at that is like, no, that's the immediately
where your brain goes a lot of people their brain
goes to, no, that's not true because of this, oh,
conspiracy theories. But that's just that's not the right way
to look at the world. I don't think you have
to question everything, and so I don't know, you know,

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that's that's the that's the answer. I really don't know,
but I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past them at all,
because there's there you guys have seen Eyes Wide Shut? Yes, yeah,
so there's a film called Lolita. I don't know if
you guys have ever seen that.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Express absolutely that's where you got it from, right. It
was that movie, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I thought, I'm not sure, but it's completely tied into that, like.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Used for that for yeah, that's been used for a
long time.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Really, yeah, okay, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So in Eyes Wide Shut, there's there's two tennis rackets
in the in the woman's what's her name Alice in
her in her bedroom and that uh Lolita. I think
I think Kubrick made Lolita, right. He made a film
called Alita. It was about an older man grooming a
younger a younger woman. And on the front, on the

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front of the camp that they're in that there's two
tennis rackets that are crossed and like just just like
in the movie. So he, you know, making a movie
about the the elitist, you know, doing all this crazy
stuff and then adding stuff like that into it, like
come on, of course, like, of course there's there's reasons
for behind it. Because everything that he puts into the

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shot that there's no accidents, every single thing that happens,
he puts there for a reason, absolutely purpose, on purpose.
He was. He was so meticulous with that stuff. So
sort of take it away from from the moon planning
from you guys, but just I would not be would
not be surprised, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah. How about another very I'm not sure if you're
familiar or aware this, but Stanley Kuber kind of fascination
with Greek mythology and there's a story it's called the
Minotaur and the Labyrinth, and it's an old Greek tale,
and it's about this minotaur going around this labyrinth trying
to find his way out of it, and Danny's like

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represents thesis and he's trying to escape the monster. Have
you heard about this theory?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
No? No?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, so, I mean it's basically, what if you look
at the film from a different angle, like we were
talking about from the beginning, it's just basically this monster,
which is the minotaur carrying an axe because that's what
they usually carry right in mythology, and of course that's
what he's using, you know, to kill Wendy. You know,
this whole allegory of him and Danny, you know, Danny

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trying to escape him and him getting lost in the
labyrinth and eventually dying. So that's also another theory as well.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah right, yeah, that's incredible. You know what when I
was watching a movie today, like the first first couple
of scenes that's in there, and I was thinking, like,
how did they find that? They must have been right, Yeah,
they must have made that.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
They had to make that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, there's a I can't remember exactly, but there's a
theory about the the maze.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
About it with Dante's Inferno or something like that.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
That or the a maze is like the Labyorate. I mean,
remember the movie The Laborate with Crystal or with what's
his face the singer Bwie, David Bowie and stuff. It's amazed,
it's amazed elaborate. So it kind of all ties in
and like you know, even Stanley Cooper is a freaking genius,
like he puts these images in. Even with Jack Torrance's

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tie here with the laborate pattern on the tie, and and.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
That's actually another allegory. Think about it, the tie and
being around his neck. That's dye in the in the labyrinth,
so that's around his neck.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
You guys, do you guys know the American theory about
this movie.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I've heard about that tell me about.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes, it is without a doubt, Like I am one,
there's no skepticism in my brain that that this is
not exactly what the movie is trying to tell us about.
Everything to do with with the additives. Like what I
was talking about before, there's one way of watching a movie,
and then there's another way of watching the movie. This

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without a doubt in my in my opinion, this is
what the second side of this movie is about. Everything
leads to it like the colors. Okay, so you have
to start out like focusing. I have some notes here
that I'm actually gonna stare out while okay. So okay,

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so people that aren't like film people need to understand
that like color and film is so important. So that green,
that green tie that he was wearing. Jack is wearing
green the entire movie up until he has that dream, right,
and then he falls on the ground, and that's the
first scene that he starts to snap, like he that's

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when he really really snaps. And then for the rest
of the movie he's not wearing any green anymore. It's
only red. Right, So there's the that's everything in this
movie is surrounded around like the different colors. And so Almond,
you know Almond, the the manager of the hotel. Yes,

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at the beginning, he's wearing red, white and blue. He's
got a a American flag on his desk, right, Yes,
he's here. I'm gonna look at these for a second.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Is it his last name? Grady?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Oh, Grady is the guy that he's talking about. The
he's talking about the guy who iroed Jack.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
His last name is Grady too.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, No, Grady Grady was the guy that was killed.
But also another weird fact that two there's two Grady's
in the film. They yeah, but there it's just the names,
like the Almond calls him Charles Grady. But then later
on when we meet the Grady in the bathroom, his

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name is his name is something else but Grady. And
also the kids in the story that all Men is telling,
it's they're eight and nine or eight and ten years old, right,
But when we see the twins, they're twins, so you know,
more duality. But also there's a big story behind the

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history of the hotel and the history of the Grady's
being there. Okay, so anyways, I'll explain the Native American things.
So with the colors, the colors are super important, right,
and so all Men is wearing, you know, American colors
and he's got the American flag on his desk, and

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that doesn't seem like much until he goes on to
talk about the Native American burial ground that the hotel
is built on, right, And he even mentioned that as
it was being built, they had to fight off a
lot of the Native American attacks that were happening there.

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So throughout throughout the hotel as well, there's a bunch
of Native art. There's that big piece in the in
the main in the main hall when when Jack is
throwing the tennis ball against it, and there's there's tons everywhere,
and so on top of that, in the pantry, there's
cans of food with Native Americans wearing head dresses with

(29:31):
a red label. There's I'm just gonna name him off
a bunch of the things that are are colored and
then I will get to the explanation of what's actually
going on. So, okay, there's cans of food with the
Native Americans wearing head dresses with a red label. And
Jack is in the gold room at the bar drinking.

(29:53):
He mentions white man's burden talking about the bourbon that
he's drinking, which doesn't actually make sense because the white
man's burden means it like this. The phrase comes from
the burden of the Americans dealing with the Native Americans,
like the colonizers came in, and the white man's burden
the saying means it was a burden to have to

(30:15):
take care of the Native Americans while trying to build
this new land here. So there's the gold room where
Jack enters to see a ton of like rich old
white people, right, having a dinner party. And in that
same pantry as before, there were boxes right next to

(30:35):
the Native American cans labeled golden rays. So there's red
Native American stuff, a lot of gold stuff and red
white and blue stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
So Almon is the owner, he's wearing American colors. His
suit is red, white and blue. Gold. Room is filled
with rich white people, colonizers, and the Native American stuff
is all red. Also the story that was told about
them that it's built on top of the grounds. Plus
in the score, in the music, there's a Native American

(31:07):
war cry. Right, So why why? Like you have to
ask why is this relevant?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (31:13):
So like during the gold rush in eighteen fifty there
was a Native American genocide that was caused by the
United States government allowing the colonizers to like flourish in
the lands and the Native Americans to die out. So
the ghost haunting the hotel is like it's clearly stated
that it's due to the Native American burial ground. And

(31:36):
I think that's what the ghost is.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
And I'm sorry, I'm just pulling up the elevator saying
here with all the red background and then the blood
comes out, because I think that's part of the Indian.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think this is where the the uh scores is
being played as well.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Mm hmm is it? But hold on, let me play
the sound.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
If you could. It would be nice to hear it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wow it is mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
No, sorry, maybe I'm mistaken. It's it's very clear, like
you can hear like a Native American pride, like.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I think I hear it here though, No it's not it.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, let me find it. I'll find it, okay, keep talking.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
And so yeah, so my my theory is definitely that
the underlying messages is the genocide, and I think that
it's completely tied into what's happening with Jack and his
family because okay, so like the the genocide was caused
by our great great grandparents, right, like that's one hundred

(33:05):
and fifty years ago. That's that's nothing in the in
the big scheme of things, like we and we look
at though that's that time as we want to forget
about it. That's not us anymore, you know, that's not us.
We could never do that. We're not like that anymore.
But like that's wrong. People and societies are are inherently

(33:30):
like just bad, like a bad shit happens all the time.
And I think that we forget that we are capable
of so much evil, And I think that that is
the big picture. So the Native American thing is the
big picture, and it speaks to Jack and his family
because Jack. So the difference between the the the book

(33:56):
and the movie is that Jack was never a bad
man to begin with in the move in the book,
but Kubrick made a change for the movie to make
him always a bad person. So that, to me, that
is saying that we we don't we are all capable
of really really heinous things. We just need the right

(34:18):
situation to bring it out in us. So they mentioned
the Donner Party, right, the Donner Party, the cannibalisms that
live up in the mountains when they're driving up there,
same situation. You're tested, You're pushed into this place where
you have to be an animal, you know, and and
so I don't know, I think that it just speaks

(34:40):
to to that Jack is very similar to the colonizers
in the past, you know, like it's something is within us.
We are still animals and we have to be careful
because we are all capable of of you know, pretty
pretty crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
This is a society think that that family too up
in the mountains is also kind of a reference to
Jeffrey Dahmer.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah it.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Is, Okay, I'm going to They went up to.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
The mountains and I guess they got trapped up there
and they had to resort to cannibalism so they had
to like eat each other.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, well, Jeffrey Donner eight people too. So I was
this whole time, I thought it was Jeffrey. But maybe
maybe we're we are seeing different levels here, like how
people are going to review one thing to another because
I've never heard this story. I'm going to look this
up after the show, and so thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
But I think that there's a lot of stuff in
this mo in this movie that are that point towards
like the fact that humans are inherently evil, we do
very bad things all the time, we always have, and
little nuances in in Jack's attitude towards things like you
know when when frustration comes when when Wendy walks in

(36:05):
and she's so happy and she says, hey, how's it going.
I'm going to make you a sandwich later, I'll come
back in with sandwiches and he's he freaks out, right,
that's when he's like, you're distracting me, and he's starting
to snap. And everybody has had those situations, right, Like
everybody has had things when you're focused on something and
and you get distracted and you get distracted by something,

(36:28):
it's it's frustrating. So I think that it's such a
deep understanding of like human beings that he's trying to
portray that. Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Sorry, don't pay attention to this, I'm just playing. You know.
This was after she went and checked on him and everything,
and then she came back because and this is also
during the time where where wasn't Danny at two thirty seven?
Was it? Or I don't know the numbers the whole

(36:59):
number theory forty two, which we understood forty two associated
with the Wizard of Oz. It's kind of like death
number forty two. That's all through this film.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Forty two on his shirt, Danny's shirt, isn't that forty two?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
There's all kinds of forty two references in this also,
I think it's forty two on his shirt the room
number two three seven, he times them together, it's equals
forty two forty They.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Said that they was the distance from the Earth to
the Moon as well.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Oh wow, what like two thirty seven seven light years?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, let me look up and see if we got
a video take whatever the hell about.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Forty two probably kometers maybe?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, I think Wendy flipped these pages forty two times.
I'm just kidding. They sat there and filmed her forty
two times.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Somebody typed that out, eh, like they got somebody literally
like that's great. You see how many times actually flipped that?
Maybe maybe twenty? You know, with that whole stack, that
entire was typed out.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Kubrick was just you know, well, and there's conspiracy. There's
conspiracy against also with with the the typewriter itself. It's
Germany and it forty two was World War two and everything,
so it's kind of tying in the Nazis and that
war and everything as well, is what they've said too. Yeah,

(38:33):
as well.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Here's about the theory itself about the hotel itself being
a sensient.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Being yeah, unconsciousness, Yeah, I for sure, like who you
know who I what I think about? Who is Tony? Like?
Who is Tony? And is it is it the hotel
talking to talking to h Danny, because how does he

(39:00):
know about two three seven? You know, I thought maybe
it was him in the future talking to himself. I
think that's a common theory, but I think actually that's
what doctor Sleep went.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Over, right, A lot of holes. Yeah, oh yeah, not
seen that movie.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I have, but I watched them for him out right.
So yeah, yeah, that movie Flow you know too, twenty
twelve or something like that, twenty fifteen. Yeah, that's a
good one. But that is a great movie. But it's
you know, it doesn't it doesn't hold a torch. No,
not at all, because that's something that's missing in movies
these days, is like this, this kind of discourse towards

(39:44):
this movie, Like we can just sit here for hours
and talk about little weird, nuanced things that happen that
you notice, and you know that much detail and attention.
You don't have time for that stuff anymore. When you're
making a movie. You just don't like nobody. You're looking
for the studio.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, yeah, citios bringing down your neck, get things done.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
He's big, big time, big time, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
More than anybody. Right, I'm not bad, you know, Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Work post production, so I do a lot all the
sound stuff. So any any crazy decisions like that, I'm
not I'm not involved with unless it's it's sound related,
which sound is always the last part. So you finish
sound and then you shoot, shoot the movie off and
it's done. But all of the production stuff just it
sounds like a nightmare pre production and production. Because of that,

(40:32):
they don't they don't give you the the luxury that
like Stanley Kubrick had because people probably just gave him
money and were like, you can take five years to
do this, I don't care, like do your just do
your thing, man, you know right, because he had to.
He had to give him that that luxury just to
to let him do that, and like who has that now? Nobody?

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Nobody?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Well I have it. I have a clip about forty two.
It's one of the first videos that popped up on TikTok,
and he's just in this video he's explaining that he
just learned about this today. I do you believe, he
says three times in the movie. I do think it
shows up more than this. But let's watch this TikTok
of the Shining forty two.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
You guys know that in Stanley Kubrick's the shining. The
number forty two appears three different times. I'm just finding
this out today thanks to Reddit post and thought you
guys might find it interesting too, so check this out.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
So to start us off.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
We have the overhead shot here of the hotel and
parking lot, and inside of that parking lot, you want
to take a guess on how many cars there are
forty two? And here we have the classic scene where
Danny's talking in the mirror to Tony and he has
a number on a shirt. I want to take a
guess what number forty two? And our final example comes
from the scene where Wendy and Danny are watching their
television set with legs. Want to take a guess on

(41:48):
what they were watching summer of forty two. You can't
make this stuff up now. I didn't find any meaning
behind all of this, and I'm not sure if it's
a coincidence or what. But I'm kind of curious to
know what you guys think because they're a reason behind
the number forty two or is it just a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I think it's there's a reason, especially after our last
week's show, we had a guy on that like absolutely
deep dived the Wizard of Oz and the number forty
two and how it's all connected, and forty two is
a life number if you if you look it up
just Google, like what does forty two mean? Just basic,
it's a life number. It's between life or death. So

(42:25):
I think it's interesting. And then also it's tied to
war and all these other things as well. I think
I think Stanley Kuber uses numbers for a reason. I
honestly do. I don't think he just throws a number
up on a screen for no reason at all.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
No, everything that you see or hear if people will
play it off like it's nothing like you hear something,
but like you got to every single frame, every sentence
that's spoken, every word, it's calculated for sure. So if
there's something on screen, there has to be a for it,
like every single time.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well and just real quick, the Overlook Hotel. This is
just in my notes, I'm looking at here, the Overlook Hotel,
Like are we overlooking something? What are we overlooking? Just
the name of the hotel? Yeah, Like what's he putting
into this? Because there's no Overlook Hotel that physically exists
right now, and they use three hotels in this movie,

(43:25):
and so It just makes me think, what are we overlooking?
What's these hidden agendas? Like even just the name of
the hotel? I freaking Stanley Kubrig's I think he's the
best filmmaker that's ever existed, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Absolutely, he's one of my favorite human beings that's ever lived. Like, yeah,
there's some there's not a lot of. I'm not one
to to to be into celebrities and stuff, but this
guy's brain is is incredible. There's Okay, so during the movie,
do you remember, like at the very beginning, when they're

(43:58):
in all Men's office they're doing the and there's that big,
big window in the back, yes, okay, and there's a
big light window in the back of the room, so
you you would think that there is a a window
or sorry, there's the outdoors right there. That's a window
on the other side of that should be the outdoors,
right But later on, when Wendy is walking through the

(44:21):
the hotel, she walks past and she goes right, or
she goes she turns left and there's a hallway. So
like the amount of preparation that had to go in
to make that actually happen. It's not like, oh they
just decided to shoot in a different area, Like no,
it's the same location. This is the room. So they

(44:42):
had to do something to the set to make sure. Yeah,
and I think that tons of things like this are
spread around Stanley Kubrick's films, just to you know, like
it goes into the lab.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
It's the laborate theory.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, but just on a filming perspective, to
like create an uncomfortable environment that you don't really know
why it's uncomfortable, do you know what I mean? Like
it's all it's completely playing with your subconscious mind to
trick you into thinking, Like you see a hallway and

(45:17):
you're like, oh that, Why do I feel weird here?
Why is something not right? Something's not right here?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Or I feel like I've been here before? Is what
I feel like? I've been here before? But why is
this not hooking up with me? Like what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah? Confused, but you don't really know. It's not like
a confusing plot. Something is off that you're not picking
up on. And there's a there's a scene in Eyes
Wide Shut where so Tom Cruise is walking on the
streets of New York. Right there's Christmas lights he's just
walking around it. There's tons of footage of him just

(45:52):
walking around the streets of New York in that movie
at nighttime, and there is one it's maybe maybe five
seconds long of rear projection, so like behind the actor.
So like here he would put a projector and play
the street moving and the walk the actor would walk

(46:14):
on a treadmill? Does that make sense somebody explaining that property? Yeah,
excusing by bike like they.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Do like a car scene almost like when they you know,
have the scene between him and the car, so.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Like like why why would he take so much time
and effort to get five seconds of the movie just
to be a rear projection when you have when you
have hours of footage of him walking around there you
go right there, that's a projector behind him and it's
is it twenty seconds long? Yeah? Twenty seconds and after.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
The well the show this this is only ten seconds
of the clip, but the video on YouTube twenty one seconds.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Okay, yeah, see it's like how quick is this? They
could have easily filmed this right, why like on I
think probably to create just it doesn't it looks right,
but it doesn't look right.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
It doesn't right.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, like look at it. It looks like C G
I or something like. He looks like he's standing out
of the background here watching it.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I think they're I think like he's just a screen screen.
He's trying to fuck with you. That's what he's trying
to do. He's trying to like throw you off in
some weird way.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Sorry, if they want to look at the cars, it
makes me want to look at the signs. Look we
got three four five? Is at three four five? Like
why you do this to me?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, but that's what makes me look like that's that's
one of the reasons why people have so many questions
and they analyze these things so much, because something is
is there, something's not right, something needs to be answered.
You're looking for answers everywhere you can get them. And
it's that's on purpose. Like, for sure, that is intentional.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
How about the elemental theory? Have you thought about this one?
This is when I actually came up with my own
just watching the film. You know, the different elements of
you know, the world, you got fire water, you know,
you know, of course the jack playing the fire element.
He gets weakened by the lady coming out of the water.

(48:17):
He eventually dies from the cold, you know what I mean.
So there's a lot of these elements that are like
you kind of see, like, Okay, I see there's a
different kind of maybe meanings behind this here.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah. Yeah, a lot of it is like this whole
movie is like element a lot of elements. Yeah, I
know that. I know that originally the water was huge
in the I don't know if it's in the book.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
What I just found out actually is that there's a
mini series of this of this movie.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yes, the Family Hotel in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Have you guys watched it.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I came on TV like a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, it doesn't look amazing, but it's definitely something I'm
going to check out. But in that movie or in
that in that series. I watched the scene of it
today and from underneath the door of two three seven
there is like a ton of water pouring out. So
just to feed into your pier go there's there's stuff
all the time.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, and how about all the footage that was cut out?
I'm sorry, Emily, all the foot was cut out from
these films. I mean there's tons of footage that's cut out.
Let's go through a lot of that. I mean especially
eyes white shirt. I mean, I think a lot of
people kind of speculate that's kind of the reason why
he ended up dead at the end. And you know,
he ended up having to cut like I think an
hour worth of film or something like that.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, twenty five minutes. I think it was. Okay, twenty
five Okay, I mean you like you have to you
have to ask yourself how much of that was the
ritual because there's a lot a lot of that's very cool.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Look at you. Sorry, I know reatuals in with with this,
but we haven't mentioned it on the show. To not
go keep talking. I'm sorry, sorry, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
That like it's like, is what I'm talking about from Yeah,
that's why I should. Yeah, Like it's you know, think
what you want and believe what you want. But this
man made a movie about something a very very touchy
topic about elitists doing these crazy things that we kind

(50:19):
of have proof of, like we really do. There are
there's proof of this stuff going on, and it's crazy
because this is nineteen ninety nine, right and kind of
within the last five ten years has this really really
come out? But you can't, you know, again, just think
of it what you want whatever, but you cannot dispute

(50:41):
the fact that this man made a movie about something
very very touchy to expose a lot of very powerful people.
And three days before he died, he presented his final
cut to the studio, right to the production company, and
they wanted to cut twenty five minutes out and he

(51:03):
said no. Three days later he dies and then they
cut the twenty five minutes out of the movie. Anyways,
so coincidence maybe, But come.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
On, well, you know Tom in there. I think he's
also exposed in scientology.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
In my opinion, no, totally. And you like ask why
why is it Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, like the
two top dogs of Hollywood at the time, why would
he choose them to do?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well? Do you know about Nicole Kidman's dad?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Right, No, okay, I'm not going to drop out.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
About We will have to have you come on for
a part two all about as shut absolutely Nicole Kidman.
Everybody that's listening via podcast and everything like that, go
look up Nicole Kidman's father. Look up the school he's
associated with. It's an elite school. Go go look him up.
He has he's Yeah, And honestly, I don't know if

(52:04):
Nicole Kidman, Tom Cruise is smart enough to understand what
Kubrick was doing, or maybe they were, or I don't
know at that time, I'm a Hollywood elite, Stanley Kubrick was.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
I'm gonna go, I don't think that he explained this
stuff to anybody. I don't think. I think that he
had this plan and he put things on screen and
it's not like he's gonna say, Okay, you know what,
there's this very very secretive thing that I'm trying to
expose and this is why we're doing Like who is
he gonna tell about that? Of course nobody, Like, you're

(52:36):
never gonna He's never gonna sit down with somebody and
talk about especially somebody like him, right, Yea, But that
that uh, you know, I'm not I'm not a huge
you know, Like there's there's so much talk about stuff
like this happening all the time, and I'm you know
a lot of the times I brush it off, but

(52:57):
something like this is just there. There's too much coincidence there,
There is too much. You can't you can't brush it
off it.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Especially with the subject matter.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, like come on, like that is the one movie
that that is so that is so close to home.
And you know, in nineteen ninety nine, the the Lolita,
the reference with the tennis rackets, like that absolutely is
a reference. You can't just play that off as like, oh,
it's just tennis rackets on the ground, like you're thinking
too much about this. No, no, no, no, that definitely

(53:27):
And Koper was he either made Lolita or he was involved.
I think he might have written it. And Okay, so
that was nineteen ninety nine, you know, like twenty five
years ago, and only within the last five years has
this stuff actually been a reality, right, So for the
for for twenty twenty years prior to five years ago,
it was conspiracy theory. And now within the past five

(53:51):
years you're like, oh, yeah, yep, he's right, yep, yep,
that's true. So like, yeah, how much of the stuff
that we that we theorize about is exactly like that?
Like people people judge for for thinking too much about stuff,
but then yeah, in five years you're just gonna be like,
oh we actually uh yeah, okay, you were right, dude.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Let me tell you. When I saw that movie for
the first time, I was like, I freaking knew it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I knew it. Yeah, right, I.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Was like I knew it. I was like, nobody believes me.
I was like, look, they made a movie about it,
and nobody says anything about it. Yeah, and look now
we're talking about it like you said, yeah, five years.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Now it's now it's just like completely proved.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
It isn't actually just proven fact yep, wild wild.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And so have you guys seen the Eyes Wide Shut
broth Child Family Party.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well that's what I was going to say. When nineteen
ninety nine, I was a senior in high school. I
graduated as mone year, I graduated and this came out,
and it was big to do because all of us
girls love Tom Cruise back then, I can't stand now,
but we all like it was like the big thing
to do to Snake to go see this movie.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And Nicole Kitten was hot too back then.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Well Nicole, yeah she was, and she's actually kind up.
She's doing all kinds of movies. Now it's like there's
big push for word of Nicole Kidman right now. But
with Aswade Shut and everything back then. Now, I wasn't
a conspiracy theorist back then. People's labeled me that absolutely
now and I'm proud to be one of those I

(55:15):
will always question, I will always question good. But but
you know, when this movie came out, that's what I
was thinking of of the Rothschild's party in the seventies
or whatever. And also like, well, I thought about Rosemary's
Baby movie too. I don't know why I did when

(55:36):
this movie came out. I don't know if it was
like some kind of like hidden sex scenes that makes
me think that they're spawning Satan out. But I thought
of Rosemary's Baby as well during this time. But yeah,
I was watched at Stanley Kubrick.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
That that you know that chant in the the the music,
the you know, how that it's like a backwards Romanian
of a religious text and that that is satanic. So
like if you if you reverse religious script, it's the

(56:13):
same thing as like turning the cross upside down, right,
So like this, these these places like that, it's people
think that it's not a satanic ritual, but like absolutely
it is for sure.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Well, back masking, that's what I was gonna That's one
of my questions on here has he Have you ever
played this Shining or any of these films backwards and
watch back Masking even the audio. No, I think we
should do it.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I think we should do it.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Let's do it. Let's let's go a lot and listen
to it all together and see what we're.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Back masking. But do you know the the Moon and
Wizard of Oz? I guess the guy last week talked
about that.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, last week we talked about Wizard of Oz.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, do you know the Dark Side of the Moon?
If you like, play it at the same time where
there's a special time that you play it at and
watch Wizard of Oz. It again coincidence? How is this
a coincidence? It is?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, and he does right in line with the song.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, and like its exactly right where it is when
she opens the door and it's it's I think that's
when the color comes on right of the film opens
the door and right it's like it's silent. The last
song just ended, and then she opens the door and
money starts playing. I think so like the beginning, like

(57:30):
it's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
So who knows? I think that the guy from from
Pink Floyd said no, but.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Said no, yeah, that's what I have or whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Actually, Roger Waters is actually a big conspiracy theorist, but
he said no for some reason, which is I thought
it was kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah. He just rolled with it and said.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well there's
a lot of crazy stuff Ben with you know all
these movies. You know, it seems like it's always like
a hidden message every time, every time, like every time,
and then every scene is a hidden message too. It's

(58:15):
not like just it's not the whole movie, it's every scene.
Every scene. Every scene is deliberate. Every scene has a message.
You have to decode it and good luck, and there's
so many different theories that come out of this. I mean, like,
I think we just covered the least ten I was
shining alone just tonight. I mean, it's amazing what this
guy's been able to do.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
And we got a ton more on that. So real quick,
I'll have have a question I have, We'll ask one
final question and then we'll let you go and everything.
But so for people, because we're coming out on creepy season,
Halloween and all the sudden step Tember October my two
favorite months ever, and it's Friday the thirteenth, so everybody,
we need to go watch the Stanley or the Stanley Hotel. Sorry,

(58:53):
this shining, the Shining, this weekend, go watch it. If
if for people that's watching this for the first time
or when you watched it the first time, Kevin, what's
the main gap, like grasp of this movie that you
would tell people to look out for when they watched
watch it for the first time.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Well, the first time I watched it, I was like
thirteen or fourteen, I think, and I just love Jack Nicholson,
so that's why I liked it. So if you're thirteen
and fourteen, I'm sure probably just love Jack Nicholson while
you're watching it. But what to look out for? I
think hidden just don't I mean me personally, when I

(59:36):
watched the movie, I don't like to just watch it
for the story, because that is not what you're supposed
to do with these movies in my opinion. So I
guess when you're watching the movie, try and really really
use an analytical brain and think about what you are
witnessing and what's happening behind the scenes, what's really going on,
and what's connected and if there's an answer giving you

(01:00:00):
you like, oh, he's crazy and he's trying to kill
people like you gotta you gotta go a little bit
deeper than that, you know, you have to have to
do and yeah, it's not that simple. And that's what
that's what filmmaking has really. That's why I love film,
like just film in general is not because of good movies.
I like to sit there and drive myself crazy thinking

(01:00:23):
about these things afterwards, you know, And that's how I
know a film is good. So I guess people that
are watching it for the first time enjoy the cinematography
because this is something like a movie like this, It
is a snapshot in time, and this will never be
recreated like this. Every scene there, like all of the
scenes that are showing the overlook hotel on the outside

(01:00:46):
are so beautiful like that. Like these things, these things
can never be recreated, right like, and if you do,
it doesn't look the same. It's a snapshot in time.
And I actually noticed that with your with the picture
of your mom that you that you put up at
the beginning. I find those things so awesome because that

(01:01:07):
like style of photography, that kind of like picture of
your mom. There you go, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Is that again, napshot?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You'll never get something like that again because before there
were no cameras very quick and then here we are,
right so that little amount of time that she is
in this photo. It's just it's such a small amount
of time that like cameras were kind of getting popular
for people to get pictures taken of them, and then boom,
the digital camera came out. Yep, you know, so I

(01:01:36):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
This time. I think, I think, I think I was
born in the wrong time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I do think too early.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You mean I should have been a gen X or
or maybe even a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
By a couple of years eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
One eighty one. But you know, I love especially with film,
and when I got a warror think about these the
horror movie I think about though that I that I
was raised in. The number one for me was Monster Squad,
which I don't know if you know that movie or not, Kevin,
That's the number one like horror movie for me, because
it had all the monsters in it. And then we

(01:02:14):
had Dracula interview of the drag like vampires were super
popular too with ingrown up in the eighties. But something
about about this timeframe in the late seventies early eighties
movies is totally different than anything else. And I love it.
I'm a huge fan, and I get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
That it's kind of the death of like you know,
now it's it's the same as music. Like now things
are commercialized and it's a product. And back then this
movie probably took so long to figure out how to
do oh and it was a it was a challenge
and it was a That's why they're so good because
they don't have the luxury of fixing anything later. They

(01:02:54):
have to get everything perfect. Everything needs to be so
set up that everything is perfect so that the movie
can come out. But now you can fix anything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Well, speaking of perfect, this scene was filmed. I can't
even tell you how many times, Like I think it
was seventy sometimes they filmed this one scene of Jack
axing the door.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
And he was a firefighter before he was an actor.
He was a firefighter, so he's used to this. They
brought it in so he.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Blew out his shoulder when he did this. Yeah, that
scene over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah. A video him like preparing for this scene. Yeah,
himselfow hyped up, going crazy. I love it. Yeah, Yeah,
Nicol he's great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Well talking about film, Kevin and you know you being
in sound you know, and this is the last question
I have. What is probably your favorite soundtrack of any
horror movie? That you've ever watched.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Oh you know what, I probably I would say the
Shining right now. I really really really love it. It's
it's it's always been like on my in my top score,
there's not a ton of you again it to be honest,
but at the very beginning, you know, when the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
The scene, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Like the movie starts and that's playing, and it's like
kind of the low quality of it. It it completely
sets the tone. It's amazing. But yeah, me it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah number two, how about yeah number two?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Yeah, there's another there's another movie that that's that music is. Yeah,
it's us have seen that movie ages. I got to
rewatch that number two horror score. I really like the
Sinister uh, because it's it's music that you're like gonna

(01:04:50):
like to listen to ever, but in fitting into the movie,
it's just like high strings really really really annoying and
like in your face and and tension building. And I
don't know that one always stuck out to me because
it's just it's it's quite simple, but very very effective.
Same with this, like you don't need there's probably what

(01:05:13):
like two synthesizers for this score maybe right, if not one? Uh?
And I think that that that it's a huge one.
I was trying to compose music for a long time
for film and then I fell in love with sound.
But my original love was music. And in going through
things like this, it's it's the same with like an

(01:05:34):
artist that you like listening to, Like some people overdo
it way, way, way, way too much. And it's always
I'm always curious as to like, if say, this movie
come up comes out right now, mm hmm, what would
it sound like? What type of man somebody right for it?
Like something that's not too iconic, I don't think because
they have no limitations anymore. Back then, it like the

(01:05:57):
limitations of art you get well, just like starting, yeah,
you can only use a certain type of thing, and
like the amount of voices that you could use is
like the amount of audio channels that you can use
is you know, yeah, tracks sorry, very limited. So now
I can literally have a session of two hundred tracks

(01:06:18):
and on on like my little laptop now, And like
back then they had to it'd be your select I
think actually helped it made them create, like really really
make a good decision on what they were doing. Same
with the movies, and I just think it's it is
kind of missing in today's In today's like filmmaking is

(01:06:40):
that we have too much freedom. There's too much that
we can do, and I think the best artist is
created with strict boundaries and not total freedom, because you know,
have you guys, Have you guys seen any like notable
horror movies recently?

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Well, yeah, I saw, I've seen what the US one
that I saw in the theater was. I saw it
with my son, which was the Late Night with the Devil.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I thought was fantastic, The one with the talk show host. Yes, okay,
I haven't watched that one yet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
You have to watch it because if you grew up
I don't know how old you are, Kevin, but if
you watch the eighties, yeah, yeah, so if you grew
up in the eighties, you kind of like, man, that
looks exactly like the seventies and eighties. You're like, really,
it's kind of like the shining like that, like it
got back hard. It does. It does because it doesn't
deviate from the scene, or he doesn't deviate from the

(01:07:39):
studio and the backstage as much. It's that's pretty much
the two scenes that you pretty much see throughout the
whole film, except for like back memory scenes that that
that guy has, but the main crux of the film,
it's just usually it's in the studio in the back
or in the studio in the front, and they just
do such a great job of just how they made
it look like the eighties. I mean, I gave it
so much because I was like, man, if I told

(01:08:02):
my son, my son is sixteen years old, I was like,
this is what the eighties looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
And that mean actor in that movie is fantastic. He's
always like some I'm sure I think in this movie
he's not like some twisted guy, but that's he's always
some like weird twisted guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
You know, it's awesome this movie. I mean, yeah, yeah,
you gotta watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
It's really really cool. I'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
They say they're saying really quick too long legs with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Oh I saw that too?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah is it good Will long Legs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
I thought it was great. I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Not Jack Nicholson, but it's age Nick Age.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, he does a fantastic job as the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
But yeah he's he's another one of the oiler alert.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
He's not the bad bad guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy, Yeah,
it's crazy. No, no, listen to the story goes so
many different ways. That's not even yeah, that's a little thing.
So many different ways this movie goes. But it's kind
of like compared to Two Sons of the Lambs from
the nineties. Okay, yeah, but it's more of a supernatural
twist than that's involved in that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Definitely you have sound and everything. I do want to
play this and and then I'll have one last thing
for you, Kevin. We'll let you go and we'll close
out the show. But one of the most top five
scary movies for me is The Strangers. Was just based
off Charles Manson Helter Skelter in many aspects, but live
Tyler's in this. And the reason why I think this
is so scary for me is because of the lack

(01:09:31):
of sound and so let's play this trailer real quick
and the clips you're going to see this. When the
sound cuts out and it's so silent it's here in
the film, it freaked me out. I was not married
at the time at all, and and I try to
watch this here at my house all by myself. I
didn't have myself, my kids and everything. Like I was

(01:09:53):
standing up in this living room that I'm in now
and watching it and leaving and going into the kitchen
and coming back and looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
The screw robbing your shotgun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yes, so let's watch this trailer, this Stranger's official trailer,
Live Tyler. This is two thousand and eight. So here
we go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Look, no sound on the beginning of it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Mmmm a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
I just want to tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
You are my girl. I love you, Jimmy, what.

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
True? Vance is Charles Manson.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
It's okay, there's nothing here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I'm not a dog, bark my car pass nothing?

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
Oh well, no sound, I'm by myself right, Okay, there's
someone out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
They're playing sound here. But let me tell you in
the movie, there's no sound in that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Hello, what is it my phone?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
We gotta get out of here and open the door,
and I just want you to run.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Okay, get out the door there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
It is like that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
Why are you doing this to us?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Because to your home.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Strangers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Man, that was a huge hit when it came out, right,
I remember what I think, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Think for twos out now too, But real quick, yeah,
that's one of the scariest horror movies for me. And
if you watch the movie, there's not that much sound.
That's the trailer of it to draw people in, but
there's really not that much sound. But real quick, we're
gonna let you go, Kevin, this has been an awesome show.
We're gonna have to have comeback on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, I would love to. This is great, you know what.
And I rarely get to talk about like film and
stuff like this, so or if I'm blabbled about, but yeah,
we love it. We love this stuff like just turning
in my head all the time, and like now there's
an outlet. You guys are my outlet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
It's yes, well Kevin, real quick for people's listen via podcast.
Can you tell people where they can find you, especially
on TikTok or your website? Real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yeah, my website is w kwcreative dot com. If you
guys need any like audio video stuff you can you
can check out and read what I do. And uh,
TikTok is Kevin Watson and I'm not too active on Instagram,
so just ti TikTok would be the main one my YouTube. Actually,
you know what I just posted. I can't believe I'm
forgetting this. I just posted this morning. Yeah, uh Stanley

(01:13:15):
Kubrick YouTube video.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Okay, okay, well I'll definitely go over there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Just talking about this stuff and kind of like within
the present, like prep like prepping for today. I like,
you know, just started watching the movies and stuff and
getting obsessed. So I just wrote like this thing down
and and made a video about it. So you guys
want to go there and watch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah, we're gonna go watch it. Absolutely, yes, all that stuff.
Thank you Kevin so much for being part of the
Freak Live. We're gonna have you come back on. We're
gonna talk about I just watched that and all these
other films as well. But we appreciate you. We're gonna
let you go. Thank you, everybody. TikTok dot com at
Kevin Watson go to his website www dot w k

(01:13:59):
w creator dot com. Kevin will let you go. We'll
close out the show and we'll see you next time.
I'll be I'll be in touch.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I'll email you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
There we had of it, Kevin want wasn't that was
a great show. Wendy's impressed over here. He's so impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
You know what it is. It's it's so there's so
much material you know what I mean. So it's really
it's there's no shortage of material when it comes to
the subject matter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Oh, I know, Stanley Kubrick. In my opinion, he's way
better than Steven Spielberg all of it. I think he's
honestly the the most genius person in movie history ever. Ever,
I don't think anybody, nobody will ever beat him, nobody
at all. So anyway, we thank everybody for tuning in tonight.

(01:14:52):
Please share the show out, please give it suns up.
We love you all, We appreciate you all. We're gonna
be here next week with Fine because we've had to
rescheduled a couple of times. Dennis Stone American's Stonehead we're.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Gonna be talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yes, I have a special clip for him too that
I don't put together and I don't know. I hopefully
he'll like it. Hopefully he'll like it. But we're gonna
be talking about America's Stoneheage next week, and we appreciate everybody.
Have a wonderful, safe weekend, Happy Friday the thirteenth, and
go watch the Shining.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Go watch watch Eyes White, Shut Well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I shut and do the Strangers and real quick will
with you if you could spit on movie real quick,
a horror movie that they should watch this weekend since
it's Friday thirteenth, what.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Long legs. Definitely, that's a good one if you like
a kind of like a true crime kind of thing
with a little bit of supernatural mixed into it. As
far as anything else lately, I don't know. That's probably
the only one I could recommend right now as of late.
But that's yeah, that's Beetlejuice.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Go see Beetle Juice to week. I thought last week
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
People are bashing on TikTok, but I'm like, really, what
do you expect after thirty years, You just gotta got
fun with this. You gotta have fun with it. It's fun.
After Jet with it, Jet loved it. We came back
home watched Beetlejuice one again. So that's what matters. It's
memories and everything. So go watch Beetle Juice tube in
the theaters. But thank you, Mayby, We'll see you next
week here the same time, Friday at seven pms percent

(01:16:21):
at the time. Have a great, wonderful, happy Fridays the
thirteenth weekend. Thank you

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