August 5, 2025 • 44 mins
Rose Horowitz is a Pulitzer-nominated journalist and the founder of #WomenToFollow, a global social media movement created to amplify women's voices. Within its first two weeks, the hashtag trend garnered over 12 million views. Rose has hosted 34 episodes of her livestream show under the #WomenToFollow banner, generating more than 450,000 social media impressions.
In addition to her media work, Rose is an experienced college application tutor and advisor. Her students have been accepted into top-tier institutions such as Stanford, Harvard, Fordham, and the University of Vermont. She also has expertise in supporting students with diverse learning styles, including those with dyslexia and ADHD.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to another episode of WWWA Podcast.
I'm your host, Christy Michelson, and for those of you
not familiar with me, I am a book author and
an advocate for causes such as cancer, autism, and lupus awareness.
You can find my books on Amazon dot com and
other online retailers, and you can follow me on most
(00:26):
social media platforms, including x dot com at Christy Books. Tonight,
I'm joined by two wonderful people, one of them being
my co host, Billy D's Billy.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are you well?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
First of all, I'm absolutely thrilled to be here with Rose.
That's fantastic. And the other thing is, I gotta tell you,
I'm here with the lady with the pink microphone, so
it doesn't get any better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Gotta love it, Gotta love it. Billy introduce me to
this type here, and I've fallen in love with it already.
Ladies and gentlemen, My special guest tonight is Pulitzer Prize
nominee journalist Rose Horowitz. Rose, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I am doing great.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
It's a beautiful well, it's a little cloudy from the
Canadian fires, but I am doing great. Happy Bill you
very happy and honored to be here. So thank you
for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Thank you, and I have to say you look lovely
and radiant. Rose. Radiant Rose. I love that. Ladies and gentlemen.
Billy and I have known Rose for quite a while.
We are all associated on a platform called X and
it's been a while that I've actually gotten a chance
to sit down and talk with Rose, and we got
to thinking it would be great if this audience got
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a chance to get to know Rose too. So I'm
going to go ahead and let Rose tell you guys
a little bit about herself before we get into her interview.
Go right ahead, Rose, tell us about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I am a Politzer nominated journalist. I started my career
at the Associated Press and worked in a variety of
different papers and then a lot of online things and
did as I One thing I discovered I loved was
doing investigative journalism. And one of the stories I wrote,
(02:11):
a series that I wrote was, you know, finding out
some bad guys in government.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It resulted in a change in government policy.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It was heard, you know, it went through congressional hearings,
and you know, one of the things you want to do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Most is a journalist is make change.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And in addition to that, I've sort of had many
hats during the pandemic. I became a producer for a
daily livestream COVID show that was had a global audience,
so we created a community and it was about all
different aspects of COVID. I also produced a show with
that I helped name and develop called She's on Call
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with two female surgeons that was focusing on different aspects
of medicine that affected everybody, and also trying to provide
you know, accurate information about what was going on during
the whole pandemic. H And as addition to that, I've been
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on some nonprofits for kids with learning disabilities, for kids
in high school, sort of a group that was like
What's Days in Vegas but goes on in Vegas Days
in Vegas up here group? And then started my own UH.
(03:36):
I created a hashtag that went viral that had twelve
million views in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
UH.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And it you know, came about UH, you know, by
you know, by chance.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
It wasn't like I sat down and thought of this hashtag,
but it went viral. And the idea is to amplify
the voices of women on social media and everywhere, and
I've done thirty five shows and a summit and really
have met some amazing women doing that show.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, sounds wonderful, and you're very well rounded, very accomplished woman. Here,
I have to ask, how did you become a journalist?
That's really interesting to me because I've always wanted to
do it, and I don't think I have the talent
for that. So how did you become one so that
other people can learn what you have to do?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I always liked writing, and when I was ten, I
will confess that I started the Horowitz Family newspaper.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I was the editor.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
My younger brother was my associate, and we ran ads
like for mom wanting people to clean their rooms and
what was going on in the house. And it was
like a four page, you know, kind of newsletter. And
so my dad was a reporter and I had worked
(04:59):
for Variety for years, so I kind of remember in
those days in a Variety was, you know, with like
the green shade pencil, uh kind of place. I kind
of remember going going in with him to his to
his office. So, uh, you know, I just I think
I always wanted to be a journalist. I love reading.
I love English, I love writing. But you know, when
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I was thinking about what career, I thought that journalism
would be a lot of fun because you're always learning
new things and you're always uh discovering new people. And
I did it, you know, a little bit, in college.
And then I went to graduate school at the Columbia
School of International and Public Affairs and where I sort
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of could major in two things, and one of them
was my thing. Was well, I major in international politics,
but I also took courses in I'm sorry, international media,
but I also took crap classes in politics and business.
And about three weeks before I graduated, I got a
call from Jim Attisse of the Associated Press in Pittsburgh
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and said, Hey, Rose, what are you up to? So
I had taken a test at the AP, and I
guess I passed it, you know, to be like what
they called the vacation relief staffer, where if somebody had
to be off for three months, you would come in
and replace them in whatever bureau, you know, they needed somebody.
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And I had lived in New York my whole life,
but I took up and moved to Pittsburgh and it
was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Opened a bureau at six in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That sounds wonderful. You know. Let me let me ask
you a question here. As you know I'm an author,
what is the difference between an author and a journalist?
Like is there different rules? Is there different worked in me?
A difference?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And I have, you know, worked on more long term things.
But my passion, I guess, was more intelling truth, you
know what true stories, nonfiction stories I did. I did
take you know, nonfiction, I mean fiction writing or short
story writing. But it seemed that my professor told me
I was too nice to my characters. But I had
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always written poetry and to me and I started wrote
writing poetry when I was eight, so you know, I
started early, and to me, that was my way of
really like getting to the heart of things and the
bone of things.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And I will.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Have I'll tell you maybe I haven't said this publicly,
but I will be having a book come out of
a book of children's poems in two thousand twenty seven
called Two Sides to Everything that I co wrote with
my husband, who's a funny writer and a serious one.
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So we will pair them up with two Sides to Everything.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So excited about that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Congratulations, I really love at I think, you know, you're
a journalist. I have to ask, and maybe I shouldn't
everything I don't know, but there's a lot going on
in the world right now. If you can jump on
any current event story, what would it be and why?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Huh, there's so many, you know, I haven't looked online
today that much. I guess one of the things that
as a parent, that that really bothers me is the
closing of the Education Department, Uh, because I have four children,
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and three out of four had some kind of learning
disability and the Board of Education, you know, the site
like for the you know, the Department of Education was
was a real resource to find out about things like
ADHD or dyslexia or you know, where your child should
be in third grade, and and then there were you know,
(09:06):
so I think that that you know, not having like
a country without the Department of Educations like what you know,
and it's it's taken away the or it's you know.
Aside from that, also, it makes it harder for students
who want to apply to college and need tell grants
or you know, a financial aid to get the assistance
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they need. And that's already a hard thing and you know,
it's hard to navigate and fortunately, you know, I think
it's really hard to navigate if you don't speak English
well or you know, you're not up on all these
latest things.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know, there's a lot to applying to college and
there's a lot to know about.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
When your kids goes to school and you don't know,
you know, you you you know they're born, you think
they're great, and then you know, they get to the
first grade and the teacher calls you in and said, well,
you know, she's really bright, but I thought she'd be
reading by now.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So you know, what do we do? You know, what
do we do?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And then you have to educate yourself as a parent
and figure out, you know, what does my kid need?
And it's different for every kid, it's different for every family.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Uh And you know, so I think I think that's
one of the things that that that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
You know is challenge is I think one of the
one of the most challenges I've talked about, because there's
just so much. But I would think, you know, I
would say that that's you know, it breaks my heart
that that is closed and now part of you know,
another department. So that's one thing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I would have to agree with you on that back
when my kids are in school and most people that
listen to this show know that my kids are both autistic.
My daughter, I couldn't talk. She talked in like a fast,
gibberish talk because she's autistic. And the teacher had come
to me and she's all, your daughter is strange, she's
off the wall. She's never going to graduate. She can't
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have an educate. She cannot learn. And I was a
pissed off mama bear the way the teacher came at
us about it, and so I started looking up every
educational code. I started going to the Department of Education
and they really helped me. And the guy, I don't
think he's there anymore, but Terry de Boor, he was
the head of Department of Education at the time, was
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the one that had in my back and he helped
me fight the school district and the school board and
we had principles that were going through due process with
us and everything, because it is wrong to say a child,
whether they have autism or any other special need, it
is wrong to say a child cannot learn. My daughter
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came home and she understood enough. I mean that they
were she said, I don't want to be stupid. She
was crying because she felt like someone called her stupid. Yeah,
so I highly applaud you for that one. Gross because,
like you said, not many people talk about the Department
of Education and it being taken away really hurts the
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special needs community. So I applaud you on that. I
really do.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm going to pass over to Billy for a few
minutes to see if he has any kind of questions
for you. Go right ahead, Billy.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You had mentioned journalism, and excuse me. The type of
journalism that we have today is it goes after ratings.
So you have a situation where if you have let's say,
a boring Walter cronkite in twenty twenty five reading a
bunch of facts, he's probably not going to get a
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lot of views. But if you have a younger sharper
man or woman on there and they're attacking one side
versus the other, they're probably going to get a lot
of views. So it's kind of like people say, you know,
what happened to news, But the fact of the matter
is is the audience that was once there isn't So
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how would you, as a traditional journalist, how do you
analyze that and is there a solution.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's a tough question.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I went to about a year ago a conference at
the Columbia School of Journalism looking at the elections in
two thousand and you know, twenty four, and one of
the things that came out of it that I heard
from somebody I guess she's a journalist at The Guardian
was that that in every week, at least two or
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three newspapers local papers close. So I think that you know,
the whole revenue model for newspapers, which was advertising for companies,
you know, for businesses and also one ads you know,
completely changed and since I'd say since then, you know,
Craig's list was one of them, and he's now a
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champion of good journalism donating to journalism schools. But you know,
when they took away the one ads you know or
the you know, why did.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You have to buy the newspaper as on you know,
as online world you.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Know became you know, and and everybody could google everything,
you didn't necessari you know, people didn't think they needed
newspapers and it wasn't something you know, whereas like I
grew up and my parents read, you know, the new
York Times cover to cover, you know, read article and
the New York Post and you know the daily news.
Kids today, you know, like they only read online.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And that's not a bad thing. You know that that's
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But I think, uh and and I think there's too
many people in a way that I think they are journalists, yes,
and so uh you have people who observe a scene
and write about it, but they don't have you know,
the context to know, Okay, well, if I quote this
person on this position, I need you know, who's on
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this side of the position.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I need to get somebody else to quote, you know,
to to make sure. Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And there isn't the fact check or at the copy
editing also has has you know, I've worked I worked
about six years ago at a local newspaper and there
was one copy editor.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And copy editor is really important because you know, as
a as an editor, I would have an you know,
you really have to be careful. I had this one
great reporter was in the court beat and he would
call me and say, you know, the plaintiffs said this,
and the defendant said that. And I would always check
because he would sometimes get those two mixed up and
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pintif and also just having a nose for you know,
nose for news. You know, one day in the you know, billy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Like six o'clock, this reporter covered h Prime called in
it and said, hey, you know, I just you know,
I want to let you know.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know, there's there's been an abandoned baby found in
a local like grocery store. And I called the main
desk and said, you know, we got to get this
story in, you know, because it was like French time deadline.
And I asked one of the young reporters to write
me something and she turned it in and she said, okay,
here's a brief.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I said, well, this is not a brief, you know,
this is like a major story in this town that
that this would happen. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And you know, of course I had I made her
change it a little bit more context.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There was a you.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Know something on page At that point in time, you know,
you could only get like a you know, a headline
on page one saying go to page six for this.
But the next day, on my way to.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Work, sure enough, NBC News in New York, CBS News
were all at this.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
This store, you know, covering this story. And of course
it had you know, then you learned that there's a
law where, you know, anybody can leave a baby at
a police station and not be you know, not be
prosecuted for that. So you know, there's there's just so
many layers, and as you become seasoned, you know, you
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know you know what to add to look for. As
far as like Walter Chronkite versus I don't know, you
know who we're talking about, but I think you you know,
if you're a good reporter, you can make it interesting. Yeah,
you can get on the street with people, you find
angles that that people. You have to tell a story.
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And whether you're Walter Kronkite serious journalism or you're an
entertainment reporter covering Paris Hilton, you always want to tell
a story and you want to check your facts and
you want to be cautious before you put anything out there.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I would also add my opinion, Walter Chronkite is probably
more legend than reality at this point. He had his
biases too, But at least you've got the You got
the truth most of the time, which is we don't
get too much of these days. I'll tell you another
gathering storm. As far as journalism goes, especially in regard research.
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Is what's happening now with AI. It's going to be
very easy for somebody who claims to be a journalist
to do research on a subject or research on a
person simply by putting a few prompts into an AI engine.
Are there any is the journalistic community trying to establish
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guidelines or prepare for this?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yes, I think that many, you know, since AI came out,
you know, chatch BT three in twenty twenty two, newsrooms
have created guidelines for reporter as to when they can
use AI and when they can't. And I think that
it probably also depends on the staffing of a newspaper.
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You know, how many people do you have covering you know,
police department, you know, or you know, different beats where
where there's enough people to not have to rely on
AI and get the story out. I mean, I see
a use for it in things like you know, it's
at this local paper every week we had a weekly
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listing of if you know, art shows and concerts and
things like that. And I can see how AI could
be really useful and cut put on time. And I
think the hope in journalism, the ideal is that it
will free journalists to do more of the ground on
the ground reporting versus you know, maybe listings and things
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like that. So I do think that for many newspapers
there are guidelines on AI about how to use AI,
and that it's it's being introduced slowly from what I understand.
I think one of the one of the issues that
I talked about before was local journalism. And you have this,
you know problem with local journalism not you know, dying.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean what thirty fifty thousand reporters have lost their
jobs in the last ten years, and so you get
so you don't get the same discourse that you did
before where there were local papers. So if you had,
you know, a local paper saying X Y Z and
another local paper saying you know, A B C, you know,
you could you could compare those stories and they were
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competing with each other. The competition also, you know, you
want to get the story first, but you don't. You
want to get it right if you're good, you know,
if you're a good paper. So if you rely to
heavily on AI, you know, how are you going to
check that you have it right correct?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So I think that's that's important. It's how we are
going to use AI as we go forward. It's not
going to disappear, you know, it's going to be there.
How we use it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I'll leave you with this question before I turn it
back over to UH to Christy, you mentioned you certainly
have an affinity for an affection for print journalism. I mean,
that's pretty obvious, and I think that that's that's a
good thing. I think there's a certain process that people
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go through when they write with their hand or read.
There's a certain psychological thing that happens that you don't
necessarily get with other mediums. I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Which say I have not written with my hand in
thirty four years or something. Okay, that's I've worked on
a computer for a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well yes, well yeah, I think it applies to keep
ad too. Like authors will off and tell you, I
think when you write, I mean actually write, whether it
be with a keyboarder with a pen. Yeah, but the
process of it going through your body and becoming words,
you can construct that story or whatever. You can guide
that creative process better than you can speaking into a
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voice recognition program. I think most people would agree with that.
I think I've noticed that myself. When I compose a
letter or something like that, I can do it much
better when I see the words coming together and I
can interpret how it's being read.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You can go back over it more.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
You know, it prompts you to go back over it
more than if you if you've just spoken exactly spoken
the words.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, so I think there's a certain magic there. With
that being said, you have so many traditional types of
media now that are going under, with cable news and
so on. There's a new media now. A sub stack
is written, but there's also podcasts, there's other things. Is
there room for how do you manage a discipline in
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the new media? Is there is there a way that
you can do that or is that something you have
to rely on for the individual right now?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I think, you know, as somebody who who hadn't been
on air or producing a you know, any kind of
news show like I did when I got into the pandemic,
the same skills that I had I was able to use,
you know, when I did a podcast in terms of
finding guests, making sure you know, the show is diverse,
you know, making sure I read a lot so I
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knew what was happening. So I knew what you know,
topics would be timely and interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So I think you can do that on podcasts. And
there are a lot of great podcasts that do I think,
you know, from my perspective, I guess I and I
prefer to watch a podcast where somebody is interviewing somebody
else for the most part, because I want to learn
from that that other person.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right, uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And and many of the I mean on cable, you know,
many of the journalists have their own podcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And even if you watch entertainment, like you know, a show, uh,
you know, they will say much our podcast later, you know.
I mean, I don't know who has the time for all,
you know, but so so I I think, I think
it's not the new mediums. I think you can do
a great job on podcasts and you know, and I
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think you can also do a great job with substack.
And because of the decline of journalism, you know, some
prominent journalists who are let's say, you know, on their
own have gone to substack and created you know, a
big following there. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And one of them I admire.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is Eliza Donnelly, who is a cartoonist at the New Yorker,
and she saw this new media coming. She she had
been at the New Yorker, you know, one of the
few women and when she started. But I would go
to these conferences and she would take her iPad out
and draw and you know, do captions and live, you know,
so it was live as she did them. And then
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she did that like for this, for the Tony Awards
and the Emmys, and and now she does a substack
and if you you know, I get the free version,
but if I were willing, I could get the paid
version and then I could maybe have a zoom call
with her. I could ask for more questions, I would
get more details. So there are really a lot of
great people that are doing substacks. And so I think
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if you're selective, you you know, I think I think
it's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think it's it's an.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Alternative because there's if you lose your job at a paper,
what do you do? You know, there there are many
papers to go to. Even somebody at the Watchington Post
who loses their job as an as a writer or
opinion columnist or something, where do they go? Because how
many great media they're really top notch are there, and
there's this dearth in local papers and there has been
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also there are a lot of community kind of you
know things that have sprung up. You know, So like
in my local town, the newspaper, the weekly paper went
out of business and a businessman said, okay, I'm going
to create you know, Weston Today, and it's like once,
I don't know, he does it as news permits. The
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problem there is that you don't necessarily have somebody covering
the school board meeting, and you don't know the intricacies
of that, and you might look for that and instead
find a story about the newest farm stand.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That, you know, and I think that we have to
pay attention to that. But there is you know, more
community journalism that are nonprofits and that that that are
growing and hopefully, you know, if they can be funded
or there's a revenue. I think I think the key
is finding a revenue based way of supporting local papers
or you know, not not just papers, you know, local sites.
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And you know, I've written for many sites and I
did start in print, but I started the AP really
but you know, I think that as long as you
have good journalism principles and the reader you know at
heart you can create good journalism wherever that medium is.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yes, totally agree. Thank you so much, Rose for letting
me ask a few questions, and I'll love let you
t get back well.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Thank you, Billy and Rose. I have to tip my hat.
You are so wonderful. I'm learning so much from you
right now. But there's another thing I have to ask
because I don't even know anything, so I would love
to find out from you. You are a Politzer Prize.
What exactly is the Pulitzer Prize?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, I don't know if it's one hundred years, but
every year the the pullet there's a Pulitzer Committee that
is composed of different you know, leading editors at publications.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It could be magazines, it could be news stations.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And they based you know, and they they will editors
will submit their best might submit their best stories and
it could and it's different for you know, the circulation
of a paper. So if you're a newspaper with under fifty,
that'll be one category. So you're, you know, the the
papers competing with those papers that have you know, a
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fifty thousand, and then there's one hundred thousand, and then
there might be you know, millions, you know, and so
they are looking for and there are different awards within
the Pulitzers. So there could be best feature writing, that
could be best spot news.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Story, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
So when a crisis happens, like the LA fires, you know,
there's a team that is you know, that is competing
against another team out of paper that is also covering
spot news, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So they they they've break them down to categories.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And so in my case, you know, I had done
this investigative story about the US Food for Peace.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Program and how.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Just for example, you know, uh, there were these middlemen
involved in shipping and we got this secret you know,
we got this unmarked something under the door and my
initor said, hey, you know, check this out. And I
checked it out, and it turns out that there was
one company getting all these bids you know for shipping
that US Cargo. And I investigated and had lots of sources,
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went to d C. I had a deep throat, you know,
you know, at one of the agencies and came up
with a story how how it was really in a
way rigged because there was closed bidding on these on
these to bid for these contracts, and they had to
be us ships. But and I, you know, exposed. I
spent three months doing that story and it was heard
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and then you know, it set off hearings in Congress
on the way this was big. So uh and then
then they revised the law so for that, you know,
so that you know that I'm trying to I think
I guess it was an investigator. I think investigative reporting.
Maybe that was in a category, but I was at
a smaller paper, so I was in a different category
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than if I had been at the Well Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
So Pulitzer is.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Recognition of the best work in different categories in journalism.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So yeah, it's getting ready to say it's kind of
like getting a Grammy for a journalist though.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well congratulations though. That is an awesome achievement. It's absolutely wonderful.
So congratulations on that.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We're gonna start rolling around, you know, getting around to
some different subjects here. You have been the founder for
the popular hashtag woman to follow. You brought that up
in the beginning. What exactly is that and how did
it get started?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I had been at the gym, came out check Twitter,
saw there was a story about a study that was
done at a university. You know, I kind of liked
I saw the headline, but then I looked and see,
you know, so based on it was that like, of
the three thousand reporters in DC, you know, Beltway reporters,
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seventy two eighty two percent of men followed and retweeted men.
And then I looked at for women and it was
the same, and I said, like, what the heck, you know,
that's crazy, you know, And I just put out a
tweet that said, you know, I'm going to get this
party started. I'm going to name three women to follow,
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and asked, you know, you to name three more, asked
others to name three more. And so I put in
people like you know, in the arts or journalism, government, business,
and I got I went to the library to write
a story and my speed exploded and it just you know,
people love this because there had you know, people love this,
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and we're just naming people and I just couldn't keep
up with it, you know, So it went viral, and
I think it struck a nerve because, you know, many
because you know, for all the you know, all the
work we're doing towards equality, there's still a lot of
inequality and so if men can you know, retweet and
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follow other men and women are doing the same thing,
there's something wrong, you know. And there was a tool
at the time, an app where you could look at
how many you know, in your followers, you know, how
many men you followed, how many women?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And that was really telling.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So even some of the first interviews I did, I
would ask the you know, the guests, you know, have.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You looked at your Twitter feed to see, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Who's following you know who you're following, let alone who's
following you, and and see if you are trying to,
you know, make it as equal as you can. And
and so I created that hashtag. A nonprofit group called
Gender Avenger saw my work and asked me to write
(32:22):
a piece about how this movement started. And I did
that and then was a guest on some you know podcasts,
and then and then at the time, I didn't have
a place where I necessarily had a a writing gig,
so I went on social media and created Twitter threads
of profiling different women, and then I would make them
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into blogs.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And you know, the first.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
One was on a woman in du who had just
written a book in in Washington, and you know, it
was prominent. People sort of knew me because I had
the create credentials I guess I journalism, and knew me
for my work. So it was kind of good. You know,
I had pretty good access to getting people that I
(33:07):
wanted to highlight. And I also wanted to highlight people
in different fields, like there have been sort of a
women in tech, women in medicine, women in you know.
But I got started with this woman to follow that
everybody would know, and a friend of mine at the
time said, this is great, I'm going to create you know,
Twitter has lists. I'm going to create you know, women
(33:27):
to follow lists, and you know, there were two thousand people.
So if you were if you were a reporter, or
you were a podcast or whoever, you know, you could
look at this list and say, hey, you know that
this person sounds interesting. I could have them as a
guest store, I could interview them, or I could feature them.
So it was to make, you know, to amplify women's voices.
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And if amplify women's voices, I.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Love that, and ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to say
that I have made Rose's list a couple of times.
So I'm pretty excited about that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You do a lot of good work. Christy.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
All right, speaking of good work, Rows, you have started
a tutoring service for high schoolers getting ready for college.
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, what I started to see my own kids applying
to college. You know, they were so inexperienced in writing
about themselves, you know, because so much of what you write,
and you know, all those years in college is like
a five paragraph essay. So you know, you've read a
book and you have to, you know, provide the main
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point supported in three you know, three supporting details, and
then come to a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And in the.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
College application process, you know, in the you're asked by
the common of the the common app you know what,
they give you a choice of like six seven six
seven questions that can change over you know, over time,
and they ask you what is the one thing that
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we have to know, you know, what is the one
passion or one hobby that you could not live without,
let's say, And a lot of kids are like what,
you know, like they just don't know how to answer
that because they've never done it. And they also are
petrified at the press because it's it's an important. You know,
everybody has to write this this essay for most people
(35:28):
if you're applying, you know, to college. And my experience,
I guess as a poet and a writer telling stories,
I thought was you know, really useful in working with
high schoolers and kind of coaching their parents on what
the kid might need or you know, might not need,
and getting to know the kid because the kid might
(35:50):
not have reflected on, you know, or what's the one
thing that I can't live without, or what's the one
obstacle I face that that changed my life around, you know,
And so you know, I thought it was really interesting,
and it was really I'm always interested in people, and
in a way it's like you know, you're when I
first meet with a student, I always ask them a
(36:11):
few questions, like sometimes I ask them, well, you know,
tell me how you would describe them yourselves, And then
I might ask them how your teacher might describe you,
and then I might ask how your friends would describe you.
So I get I get a sense of, you know,
who they are as a person before let's say they
you know, unless they come in with what they have
already written. But then you know, sometimes that also needs work.
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So you know, I think my skills.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
As a as a as a as a writer, as
an author, as a storyteller, and as a poet because
as a poet I was able to sometimes if kid
was stuck, you know, I might use some tricks of tricks,
but you know, kind of exercises that I knew as
a poet to get them started, to get them going,
and then if they were stuck again, we might turn
(36:59):
to something else.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So that's that's how that business started.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So let me ask you a quick question. You're a tutor.
You're helping them with their college and mission essays. Is
there certain topics that they should absolutely avoid when they're
doing their college essays?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, there are some to watch out for. So
like the kid who was a football star.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Let's say, and you know, came in to me and said, well,
I want to write about football because that's my whole life.
And I would say, well, okay, but but what about
being a football what challenged you know, what made you vulnerable?
But you know what did you do for your teammates?
You know what really makes you tick? Because it can't
just be about writing about football, you know. Or I
(37:48):
had a kid who said, oh I want to write
about my travel this summer I went to Poland and
he had the sentence in there like the houses are
very different in Poland. I said, okay, but what does
that tell? And you know, where did you grow up?
And what is that advice? Does that mean something to you?
So you know, so in a way, you know, there
are some people who say, don't write about boring topics.
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But at the same time, you know that kid who
who did write about did end up writing about football,
and he ended up like exploring how his mom was
a college athlete and his dad had no interest in sports,
you know, and didn't care very much about He couldn't
understand all these terms his kid was using about the
plays he made. But he in exploring this, he got
(38:34):
to see how his father, you know, was a support
to him and was meaning you know, how there was
another meaningful connection and also how this kid could become
a leader and not just to like showcase himself, but
to really help kids who were struggling, you know, to
come on board. And so you know, you want to
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create a kind of narrative that that powerful. And there
are no off limit topics, I would say, trying to
stay away from like climate change or you know, the
state of the world is very hard, I think to
write about because it's just it's so broad and really
this essay has to show who you are, what makes
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you tick, and why you are attracted, why you would
bring value to a school, because it's not just you
saying this is all about me, It's it's saying, how
would I bring value to that campus? Why does this college,
University of Vermont want me there, want a student like
me as they look to, you know, fill their class
with a range of different students.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Thank you so much, because I have heard in the
past that there's five d's that you need to stay
away from, and that is death, dying, dating, disease, and
I forget the other one, but it's all there. And
I was like, I'm wonder if Rose agrees to that.
So I had to ask. I had to ask, oh,
really quick, roads, where can people find you online?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
They can find me online. I have a website called
hor Horowitz h O R O W I t Z
tutoring dot com and that has you know things about
me but I do, and how to how to reach me,
my email and my phone number, about my background. I
also have a Facebook page. In addition to my own
(40:24):
Facebook page, I have a Facebook page called Rose Heroitz
tutoring that people can find me at UH and for
a women to follow. I created a YouTube channel where
all my shows are archived, so, you know, let's say
there's a particular show or guests that you were interested in,
(40:44):
or somebody you've heard about and you want to check
out and see if I've interviewed them or you know
what they said in my you know, you can go
to that archive. But all my stories are live streamed
on Facebook, Facebook, LinkedIn x, Instagram, and my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I think I covered it there so fabulous.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And before I pass it over to Billy to find
out where people can find him online, I want to
ask you one final question, Rose, and that is, if
you can leave our listeners with any piece of advice
from you, a professional journalist, what would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I would tell them to be curious, to always be curious,
always be learning, UH, always want to meet new people.
You know, read about new ideas and from all you know,
have a very broad you know mind to to be
open to all possibilities and also in a way, you know,
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I think a lot of us don't trust our instincts,
and you know, you have to trust your instincts. You
have to know who you are before you can understand
who somebody else is in a way. And then sometimes
you know, in a way sometimes you know, in the business,
like when I arrived at the APT twenty two and
they said, okay, you know you're opening a bureau and
(42:10):
you have to find stories that you think other you know.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Area papers might want.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Well, you know, fake it till you make it, you know,
so you know you just have to you know, and
look to other people. But but you know, you just
got to jump in there sometimes. And like with my
with my own podcast, I had been a producer for
these other podcasts and people were.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Saying, well, you know, like you should do your own podcasts.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
And I was like, oh, you know, you know, you
just had to do it, and you get better at
it and you learn things. But if you know, if
you don't start and you strive a protect perfection, you
may never you may never go.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Absolutely, I absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that. Rose.
It has been an honor and a privilege to have
you here. And really quick, before we jump off, I'm
going to ask Billy, Billy, where can people find you online.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Of the easiest place to find me is X which
was at one time Twitter at Billy D's on X
formerly Twitter. That's kind of like my social media home.
And you can find the Abilities podcast anywhere you can
find podcasts. We have about a ten year history with
the show in its current form, so it's real easy
to find.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thank you, thank you, and ladies and gentlemen, once again,
we've been talking with Rose Horowitz, Pulitzer nominee journalist. Wonderful,
wonderful woman. I'm going to start calling her Radiant Rose
because she just glows when she talks. And I absolutely
love that she has a tutoring service for college students.
Please check out her website once again, Rose, what is
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that website?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Heroitz tutoring dot com.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And for people who want to find me, a most
active I would say on LinkedIn and x which is
under Rosehroitz thirty one and you can find me everywhere there.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
You've heard that, Ladies and gentlemen, check her out. She's
a wonderful she's got a wonderful, wonderful background, totally interesting.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Lady.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
You have to check her out, and ladies and gentlemen,
as always, you can find me on Exit Christy Books
and on most social media platforms under the name Christy Nicholson.
And I'm gonna say as we close out the show,
if you can dream it, you can achieve it. Just
look at our guest, Miss Rose. She dreamed her life
and she's got it. So ladies and gentlemen take advice
from Miss Rose. All right, until next week, we will
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see you all again real soon. Good Night, everybody,
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to another episode of WWWA Podcast.
I'm your host, Christy Michelson, and for those of you
not familiar with me, I am a book author and
an advocate for causes such as cancer, autism, and lupus awareness.
You can find my books on Amazon dot com and
other online retailers, and you can follow me on most
(00:26):
social media platforms, including x dot com at Christy Books. Tonight,
I'm joined by two wonderful people, one of them being
my co host, Billy D's Billy.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are you well?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
First of all, I'm absolutely thrilled to be here with Rose.
That's fantastic. And the other thing is, I gotta tell you,
I'm here with the lady with the pink microphone, so
it doesn't get any better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Gotta love it, Gotta love it. Billy introduce me to
this type here, and I've fallen in love with it already.
Ladies and gentlemen, My special guest tonight is Pulitzer Prize
nominee journalist Rose Horowitz. Rose, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I am doing great.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
It's a beautiful well, it's a little cloudy from the
Canadian fires, but I am doing great. Happy Bill you
very happy and honored to be here. So thank you
for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Thank you, and I have to say you look lovely
and radiant. Rose. Radiant Rose. I love that. Ladies and gentlemen.
Billy and I have known Rose for quite a while.
We are all associated on a platform called X and
it's been a while that I've actually gotten a chance
to sit down and talk with Rose, and we got
to thinking it would be great if this audience got
(01:38):
a chance to get to know Rose too. So I'm
going to go ahead and let Rose tell you guys
a little bit about herself before we get into her interview.
Go right ahead, Rose, tell us about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I am a Politzer nominated journalist. I started my career
at the Associated Press and worked in a variety of
different papers and then a lot of online things and
did as I One thing I discovered I loved was
doing investigative journalism. And one of the stories I wrote,
(02:11):
a series that I wrote was, you know, finding out
some bad guys in government.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It resulted in a change in government policy.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It was heard, you know, it went through congressional hearings,
and you know, one of the things you want to do.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Most is a journalist is make change.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And in addition to that, I've sort of had many
hats during the pandemic. I became a producer for a
daily livestream COVID show that was had a global audience,
so we created a community and it was about all
different aspects of COVID. I also produced a show with
that I helped name and develop called She's on Call
(02:54):
with two female surgeons that was focusing on different aspects
of medicine that affected everybody, and also trying to provide
you know, accurate information about what was going on during
the whole pandemic. H And as addition to that, I've been
(03:15):
on some nonprofits for kids with learning disabilities, for kids
in high school, sort of a group that was like
What's Days in Vegas but goes on in Vegas Days
in Vegas up here group? And then started my own UH.
(03:36):
I created a hashtag that went viral that had twelve
million views in two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
UH.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And it you know, came about UH, you know, by
you know, by chance.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
It wasn't like I sat down and thought of this hashtag,
but it went viral. And the idea is to amplify
the voices of women on social media and everywhere, and
I've done thirty five shows and a summit and really
have met some amazing women doing that show.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, sounds wonderful, and you're very well rounded, very accomplished woman. Here,
I have to ask, how did you become a journalist?
That's really interesting to me because I've always wanted to
do it, and I don't think I have the talent
for that. So how did you become one so that
other people can learn what you have to do?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I always liked writing, and when I was ten, I
will confess that I started the Horowitz Family newspaper.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I was the editor.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
My younger brother was my associate, and we ran ads
like for mom wanting people to clean their rooms and
what was going on in the house. And it was
like a four page, you know, kind of newsletter. And
so my dad was a reporter and I had worked
(04:59):
for Variety for years, so I kind of remember in
those days in a Variety was, you know, with like
the green shade pencil, uh kind of place. I kind
of remember going going in with him to his to
his office. So, uh, you know, I just I think
I always wanted to be a journalist. I love reading.
I love English, I love writing. But you know, when
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I was thinking about what career, I thought that journalism
would be a lot of fun because you're always learning
new things and you're always uh discovering new people. And
I did it, you know, a little bit, in college.
And then I went to graduate school at the Columbia
School of International and Public Affairs and where I sort
(05:44):
of could major in two things, and one of them
was my thing. Was well, I major in international politics,
but I also took courses in I'm sorry, international media,
but I also took crap classes in politics and business.
And about three weeks before I graduated, I got a
call from Jim Attisse of the Associated Press in Pittsburgh
(06:05):
and said, Hey, Rose, what are you up to? So
I had taken a test at the AP, and I
guess I passed it, you know, to be like what
they called the vacation relief staffer, where if somebody had
to be off for three months, you would come in
and replace them in whatever bureau, you know, they needed somebody.
(06:26):
And I had lived in New York my whole life,
but I took up and moved to Pittsburgh and it
was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Opened a bureau at six in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That sounds wonderful. You know. Let me let me ask
you a question here. As you know I'm an author,
what is the difference between an author and a journalist?
Like is there different rules? Is there different worked in me?
A difference?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And I have, you know, worked on more long term things.
But my passion, I guess, was more intelling truth, you
know what true stories, nonfiction stories I did. I did
take you know, nonfiction, I mean fiction writing or short
story writing. But it seemed that my professor told me
I was too nice to my characters. But I had
(07:15):
always written poetry and to me and I started wrote
writing poetry when I was eight, so you know, I
started early, and to me, that was my way of
really like getting to the heart of things and the
bone of things.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And I will.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Have I'll tell you maybe I haven't said this publicly,
but I will be having a book come out of
a book of children's poems in two thousand twenty seven
called Two Sides to Everything that I co wrote with
my husband, who's a funny writer and a serious one.
(07:52):
So we will pair them up with two Sides to Everything.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So excited about that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Congratulations, I really love at I think, you know, you're
a journalist. I have to ask, and maybe I shouldn't
everything I don't know, but there's a lot going on
in the world right now. If you can jump on
any current event story, what would it be and why?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Huh, there's so many, you know, I haven't looked online
today that much. I guess one of the things that
as a parent, that that really bothers me is the
closing of the Education Department, Uh, because I have four children,
(08:41):
and three out of four had some kind of learning
disability and the Board of Education, you know, the site
like for the you know, the Department of Education was
was a real resource to find out about things like
ADHD or dyslexia or you know, where your child should
be in third grade, and and then there were you know,
(09:06):
so I think that that you know, not having like
a country without the Department of Educations like what you know,
and it's it's taken away the or it's you know.
Aside from that, also, it makes it harder for students
who want to apply to college and need tell grants
or you know, a financial aid to get the assistance
(09:26):
they need. And that's already a hard thing and you know,
it's hard to navigate and fortunately, you know, I think
it's really hard to navigate if you don't speak English
well or you know, you're not up on all these
latest things.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You know, there's a lot to applying to college and
there's a lot to know about.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
When your kids goes to school and you don't know,
you know, you you you know they're born, you think
they're great, and then you know, they get to the
first grade and the teacher calls you in and said, well,
you know, she's really bright, but I thought she'd be
reading by now.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So you know, what do we do? You know, what
do we do?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And then you have to educate yourself as a parent
and figure out, you know, what does my kid need?
And it's different for every kid, it's different for every family.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Uh And you know, so I think I think that's
one of the things that that that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
You know is challenge is I think one of the
one of the most challenges I've talked about, because there's
just so much. But I would think, you know, I
would say that that's you know, it breaks my heart
that that is closed and now part of you know,
another department. So that's one thing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I would have to agree with you on that back
when my kids are in school and most people that
listen to this show know that my kids are both autistic.
My daughter, I couldn't talk. She talked in like a fast,
gibberish talk because she's autistic. And the teacher had come
to me and she's all, your daughter is strange, she's
off the wall. She's never going to graduate. She can't
(10:59):
have an educate. She cannot learn. And I was a
pissed off mama bear the way the teacher came at
us about it, and so I started looking up every
educational code. I started going to the Department of Education
and they really helped me. And the guy, I don't
think he's there anymore, but Terry de Boor, he was
the head of Department of Education at the time, was
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the one that had in my back and he helped
me fight the school district and the school board and
we had principles that were going through due process with
us and everything, because it is wrong to say a child,
whether they have autism or any other special need, it
is wrong to say a child cannot learn. My daughter
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came home and she understood enough. I mean that they
were she said, I don't want to be stupid. She
was crying because she felt like someone called her stupid. Yeah,
so I highly applaud you for that one. Gross because,
like you said, not many people talk about the Department
of Education and it being taken away really hurts the
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special needs community. So I applaud you on that. I
really do.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I'm going to pass over to Billy for a few
minutes to see if he has any kind of questions
for you. Go right ahead, Billy.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You had mentioned journalism, and excuse me. The type of
journalism that we have today is it goes after ratings.
So you have a situation where if you have let's say,
a boring Walter cronkite in twenty twenty five reading a
bunch of facts, he's probably not going to get a
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lot of views. But if you have a younger sharper
man or woman on there and they're attacking one side
versus the other, they're probably going to get a lot
of views. So it's kind of like people say, you know,
what happened to news, But the fact of the matter
is is the audience that was once there isn't So
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how would you, as a traditional journalist, how do you
analyze that and is there a solution.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's a tough question.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I went to about a year ago a conference at
the Columbia School of Journalism looking at the elections in
two thousand and you know, twenty four, and one of
the things that came out of it that I heard
from somebody I guess she's a journalist at The Guardian
was that that in every week, at least two or
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three newspapers local papers close. So I think that you know,
the whole revenue model for newspapers, which was advertising for companies,
you know, for businesses and also one ads you know,
completely changed and since I'd say since then, you know,
Craig's list was one of them, and he's now a
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champion of good journalism donating to journalism schools. But you know,
when they took away the one ads you know or
the you know, why did.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You have to buy the newspaper as on you know,
as online world you.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Know became you know, and and everybody could google everything,
you didn't necessari you know, people didn't think they needed
newspapers and it wasn't something you know, whereas like I
grew up and my parents read, you know, the new
York Times cover to cover, you know, read article and
the New York Post and you know the daily news.
Kids today, you know, like they only read online.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And that's not a bad thing. You know that that's
that's fine.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
But I think, uh and and I think there's too
many people in a way that I think they are journalists, yes,
and so uh you have people who observe a scene
and write about it, but they don't have you know,
the context to know, Okay, well, if I quote this
person on this position, I need you know, who's on
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this side of the position.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I need to get somebody else to quote, you know,
to to make sure. Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And there isn't the fact check or at the copy
editing also has has you know, I've worked I worked
about six years ago at a local newspaper and there
was one copy editor.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And copy editor is really important because you know, as
a as an editor, I would have an you know,
you really have to be careful. I had this one
great reporter was in the court beat and he would
call me and say, you know, the plaintiffs said this,
and the defendant said that. And I would always check
because he would sometimes get those two mixed up and
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pintif and also just having a nose for you know,
nose for news. You know, one day in the you know, billy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Like six o'clock, this reporter covered h Prime called in
it and said, hey, you know, I just you know,
I want to let you know.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know, there's there's been an abandoned baby found in
a local like grocery store. And I called the main
desk and said, you know, we got to get this
story in, you know, because it was like French time deadline.
And I asked one of the young reporters to write
me something and she turned it in and she said, okay,
here's a brief.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I said, well, this is not a brief, you know,
this is like a major story in this town that
that this would happen. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And you know, of course I had I made her
change it a little bit more context.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There was a you.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Know something on page At that point in time, you know,
you could only get like a you know, a headline
on page one saying go to page six for this.
But the next day, on my way to.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Work, sure enough, NBC News in New York, CBS News
were all at this.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
This store, you know, covering this story. And of course
it had you know, then you learned that there's a
law where, you know, anybody can leave a baby at
a police station and not be you know, not be
prosecuted for that. So you know, there's there's just so
many layers, and as you become seasoned, you know, you
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know you know what to add to look for. As
far as like Walter Chronkite versus I don't know, you
know who we're talking about, but I think you you know,
if you're a good reporter, you can make it interesting. Yeah,
you can get on the street with people, you find
angles that that people. You have to tell a story.
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And whether you're Walter Kronkite serious journalism or you're an
entertainment reporter covering Paris Hilton, you always want to tell
a story and you want to check your facts and
you want to be cautious before you put anything out there.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I would also add my opinion, Walter Chronkite is probably
more legend than reality at this point. He had his
biases too, But at least you've got the You got
the truth most of the time, which is we don't
get too much of these days. I'll tell you another
gathering storm. As far as journalism goes, especially in regard research.
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Is what's happening now with AI. It's going to be
very easy for somebody who claims to be a journalist
to do research on a subject or research on a
person simply by putting a few prompts into an AI engine.
Are there any is the journalistic community trying to establish
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guidelines or prepare for this?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yes, I think that many, you know, since AI came out,
you know, chatch BT three in twenty twenty two, newsrooms
have created guidelines for reporter as to when they can
use AI and when they can't. And I think that
it probably also depends on the staffing of a newspaper.
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You know, how many people do you have covering you know,
police department, you know, or you know, different beats where
where there's enough people to not have to rely on
AI and get the story out. I mean, I see
a use for it in things like you know, it's
at this local paper every week we had a weekly
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listing of if you know, art shows and concerts and
things like that. And I can see how AI could
be really useful and cut put on time. And I
think the hope in journalism, the ideal is that it
will free journalists to do more of the ground on
the ground reporting versus you know, maybe listings and things
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like that. So I do think that for many newspapers
there are guidelines on AI about how to use AI,
and that it's it's being introduced slowly from what I understand.
I think one of the one of the issues that
I talked about before was local journalism. And you have this,
you know problem with local journalism not you know, dying.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean what thirty fifty thousand reporters have lost their
jobs in the last ten years, and so you get
so you don't get the same discourse that you did
before where there were local papers. So if you had,
you know, a local paper saying X Y Z and
another local paper saying you know, A B C, you know,
you could you could compare those stories and they were
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competing with each other. The competition also, you know, you
want to get the story first, but you don't. You
want to get it right if you're good, you know,
if you're a good paper. So if you rely to
heavily on AI, you know, how are you going to
check that you have it right correct?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So I think that's that's important. It's how we are
going to use AI as we go forward. It's not
going to disappear, you know, it's going to be there.
How we use it.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I'll leave you with this question before I turn it
back over to UH to Christy, you mentioned you certainly
have an affinity for an affection for print journalism. I mean,
that's pretty obvious, and I think that that's that's a
good thing. I think there's a certain process that people
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go through when they write with their hand or read.
There's a certain psychological thing that happens that you don't
necessarily get with other mediums. I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Which say I have not written with my hand in
thirty four years or something. Okay, that's I've worked on
a computer for a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well yes, well yeah, I think it applies to keep
ad too. Like authors will off and tell you, I
think when you write, I mean actually write, whether it
be with a keyboarder with a pen. Yeah, but the
process of it going through your body and becoming words,
you can construct that story or whatever. You can guide
that creative process better than you can speaking into a
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voice recognition program. I think most people would agree with that.
I think I've noticed that myself. When I compose a
letter or something like that, I can do it much
better when I see the words coming together and I
can interpret how it's being read.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You can go back over it more.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
You know, it prompts you to go back over it
more than if you if you've just spoken exactly spoken
the words.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, so I think there's a certain magic there. With
that being said, you have so many traditional types of
media now that are going under, with cable news and
so on. There's a new media now. A sub stack
is written, but there's also podcasts, there's other things. Is
there room for how do you manage a discipline in
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the new media? Is there is there a way that
you can do that or is that something you have
to rely on for the individual right now?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I think, you know, as somebody who who hadn't been
on air or producing a you know, any kind of
news show like I did when I got into the pandemic,
the same skills that I had I was able to use,
you know, when I did a podcast in terms of
finding guests, making sure you know, the show is diverse,
you know, making sure I read a lot so I
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knew what was happening. So I knew what you know,
topics would be timely and interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So I think you can do that on podcasts. And
there are a lot of great podcasts that do I think,
you know, from my perspective, I guess I and I
prefer to watch a podcast where somebody is interviewing somebody
else for the most part, because I want to learn
from that that other person.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Right, uh and uh.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And and many of the I mean on cable, you know,
many of the journalists have their own podcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
And even if you watch entertainment, like you know, a show, uh,
you know, they will say much our podcast later, you know.
I mean, I don't know who has the time for all,
you know, but so so I I think, I think
it's not the new mediums. I think you can do
a great job on podcasts and you know, and I
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think you can also do a great job with substack.
And because of the decline of journalism, you know, some
prominent journalists who are let's say, you know, on their
own have gone to substack and created you know, a
big following there. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And one of them I admire.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is Eliza Donnelly, who is a cartoonist at the New Yorker,
and she saw this new media coming. She she had
been at the New Yorker, you know, one of the
few women and when she started. But I would go
to these conferences and she would take her iPad out
and draw and you know, do captions and live, you know,
so it was live as she did them. And then
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she did that like for this, for the Tony Awards
and the Emmys, and and now she does a substack
and if you you know, I get the free version,
but if I were willing, I could get the paid
version and then I could maybe have a zoom call
with her. I could ask for more questions, I would
get more details. So there are really a lot of
great people that are doing substacks. And so I think
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if you're selective, you you know, I think I think
it's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think it's it's an.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Alternative because there's if you lose your job at a paper,
what do you do? You know, there there are many
papers to go to. Even somebody at the Watchington Post
who loses their job as an as a writer or
opinion columnist or something, where do they go? Because how
many great media they're really top notch are there, and
there's this dearth in local papers and there has been
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also there are a lot of community kind of you
know things that have sprung up. You know, So like
in my local town, the newspaper, the weekly paper went
out of business and a businessman said, okay, I'm going
to create you know, Weston Today, and it's like once,
I don't know, he does it as news permits. The
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problem there is that you don't necessarily have somebody covering
the school board meeting, and you don't know the intricacies
of that, and you might look for that and instead
find a story about the newest farm stand.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That, you know, and I think that we have to
pay attention to that. But there is you know, more
community journalism that are nonprofits and that that that are
growing and hopefully, you know, if they can be funded
or there's a revenue. I think I think the key
is finding a revenue based way of supporting local papers
or you know, not not just papers, you know, local sites.
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And you know, I've written for many sites and I
did start in print, but I started the AP really
but you know, I think that as long as you
have good journalism principles and the reader you know at
heart you can create good journalism wherever that medium is.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yes, totally agree. Thank you so much, Rose for letting
me ask a few questions, and I'll love let you
t get back well.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Thank you, Billy and Rose. I have to tip my hat.
You are so wonderful. I'm learning so much from you
right now. But there's another thing I have to ask
because I don't even know anything, so I would love
to find out from you. You are a Politzer Prize.
What exactly is the Pulitzer Prize?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Okay, I don't know if it's one hundred years, but
every year the the pullet there's a Pulitzer Committee that
is composed of different you know, leading editors at publications.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
It could be magazines, it could be news stations.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And they based you know, and they they will editors
will submit their best might submit their best stories and
it could and it's different for you know, the circulation
of a paper. So if you're a newspaper with under fifty,
that'll be one category. So you're, you know, the the
papers competing with those papers that have you know, a
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fifty thousand, and then there's one hundred thousand, and then
there might be you know, millions, you know, and so
they are looking for and there are different awards within
the Pulitzers. So there could be best feature writing, that
could be best spot news.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Story, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
So when a crisis happens, like the LA fires, you know,
there's a team that is you know, that is competing
against another team out of paper that is also covering
spot news, breaking news.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So they they they've break them down to categories.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
And so in my case, you know, I had done
this investigative story about the US Food for Peace.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Program and how.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Just for example, you know, uh, there were these middlemen
involved in shipping and we got this secret you know,
we got this unmarked something under the door and my
initor said, hey, you know, check this out. And I
checked it out, and it turns out that there was
one company getting all these bids you know for shipping
that US Cargo. And I investigated and had lots of sources,
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went to d C. I had a deep throat, you know,
you know, at one of the agencies and came up
with a story how how it was really in a
way rigged because there was closed bidding on these on
these to bid for these contracts, and they had to
be us ships. But and I, you know, exposed. I
spent three months doing that story and it was heard
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and then you know, it set off hearings in Congress
on the way this was big. So uh and then
then they revised the law so for that, you know,
so that you know that I'm trying to I think
I guess it was an investigator. I think investigative reporting.
Maybe that was in a category, but I was at
a smaller paper, so I was in a different category
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than if I had been at the Well Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
So Pulitzer is.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Recognition of the best work in different categories in journalism.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
So yeah, it's getting ready to say it's kind of
like getting a Grammy for a journalist though.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well congratulations though. That is an awesome achievement. It's absolutely wonderful.
So congratulations on that.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We're gonna start rolling around, you know, getting around to
some different subjects here. You have been the founder for
the popular hashtag woman to follow. You brought that up
in the beginning. What exactly is that and how did
it get started?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I had been at the gym, came out check Twitter,
saw there was a story about a study that was
done at a university. You know, I kind of liked
I saw the headline, but then I looked and see,
you know, so based on it was that like, of
the three thousand reporters in DC, you know, Beltway reporters,
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seventy two eighty two percent of men followed and retweeted men.
And then I looked at for women and it was
the same, and I said, like, what the heck, you know,
that's crazy, you know, And I just put out a
tweet that said, you know, I'm going to get this
party started. I'm going to name three women to follow,
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and asked, you know, you to name three more, asked
others to name three more. And so I put in
people like you know, in the arts or journalism, government, business,
and I got I went to the library to write
a story and my speed exploded and it just you know,
people love this because there had you know, people love this,
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and we're just naming people and I just couldn't keep
up with it, you know, So it went viral, and
I think it struck a nerve because, you know, many
because you know, for all the you know, all the
work we're doing towards equality, there's still a lot of
inequality and so if men can you know, retweet and
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follow other men and women are doing the same thing,
there's something wrong, you know. And there was a tool
at the time, an app where you could look at
how many you know, in your followers, you know, how
many men you followed, how many women?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And that was really telling.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
So even some of the first interviews I did, I
would ask the you know, the guests, you know, have.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You looked at your Twitter feed to see, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Who's following you know who you're following, let alone who's
following you, and and see if you are trying to,
you know, make it as equal as you can. And
and so I created that hashtag. A nonprofit group called
Gender Avenger saw my work and asked me to write
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a piece about how this movement started. And I did
that and then was a guest on some you know podcasts,
and then and then at the time, I didn't have
a place where I necessarily had a a writing gig,
so I went on social media and created Twitter threads
of profiling different women, and then I would make them
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into blogs.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And you know, the first.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
One was on a woman in du who had just
written a book in in Washington, and you know, it
was prominent. People sort of knew me because I had
the create credentials I guess I journalism, and knew me
for my work. So it was kind of good. You know,
I had pretty good access to getting people that I
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wanted to highlight. And I also wanted to highlight people
in different fields, like there have been sort of a
women in tech, women in medicine, women in you know.
But I got started with this woman to follow that
everybody would know, and a friend of mine at the
time said, this is great, I'm going to create you know,
Twitter has lists. I'm going to create you know, women
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to follow lists, and you know, there were two thousand people.
So if you were if you were a reporter, or
you were a podcast or whoever, you know, you could
look at this list and say, hey, you know that
this person sounds interesting. I could have them as a
guest store, I could interview them, or I could feature them.
So it was to make, you know, to amplify women's voices.
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And if amplify women's voices, I.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Love that, and ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to say
that I have made Rose's list a couple of times.
So I'm pretty excited about that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You do a lot of good work. Christy.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
All right, speaking of good work, Rows, you have started
a tutoring service for high schoolers getting ready for college.
Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, what I started to see my own kids applying
to college. You know, they were so inexperienced in writing
about themselves, you know, because so much of what you write,
and you know, all those years in college is like
a five paragraph essay. So you know, you've read a
book and you have to, you know, provide the main
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point supported in three you know, three supporting details, and
then come to a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And in the.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
College application process, you know, in the you're asked by
the common of the the common app you know what,
they give you a choice of like six seven six
seven questions that can change over you know, over time,
and they ask you what is the one thing that
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we have to know, you know, what is the one
passion or one hobby that you could not live without,
let's say, And a lot of kids are like what,
you know, like they just don't know how to answer
that because they've never done it. And they also are
petrified at the press because it's it's an important. You know,
everybody has to write this this essay for most people
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if you're applying, you know, to college. And my experience,
I guess as a poet and a writer telling stories,
I thought was you know, really useful in working with
high schoolers and kind of coaching their parents on what
the kid might need or you know, might not need,
and getting to know the kid because the kid might
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not have reflected on, you know, or what's the one
thing that I can't live without, or what's the one
obstacle I face that that changed my life around, you know,
And so you know, I thought it was really interesting,
and it was really I'm always interested in people, and
in a way it's like you know, you're when I
first meet with a student, I always ask them a
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few questions, like sometimes I ask them, well, you know,
tell me how you would describe them yourselves, And then
I might ask them how your teacher might describe you,
and then I might ask how your friends would describe you.
So I get I get a sense of, you know,
who they are as a person before let's say they
you know, unless they come in with what they have
already written. But then you know, sometimes that also needs work.
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So you know, I think my skills.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
As a as a as a as a writer, as
an author, as a storyteller, and as a poet because
as a poet I was able to sometimes if kid
was stuck, you know, I might use some tricks of tricks,
but you know, kind of exercises that I knew as
a poet to get them started, to get them going,
and then if they were stuck again, we might turn
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to something else.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
So that's that's how that business started.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
So let me ask you a quick question. You're a tutor.
You're helping them with their college and mission essays. Is
there certain topics that they should absolutely avoid when they're
doing their college essays?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
You know, there are some to watch out for. So
like the kid who was a football star.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Let's say, and you know, came in to me and said, well,
I want to write about football because that's my whole life.
And I would say, well, okay, but but what about
being a football what challenged you know, what made you vulnerable?
But you know what did you do for your teammates?
You know what really makes you tick? Because it can't
just be about writing about football, you know. Or I
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had a kid who said, oh I want to write
about my travel this summer I went to Poland and
he had the sentence in there like the houses are
very different in Poland. I said, okay, but what does
that tell? And you know, where did you grow up?
And what is that advice? Does that mean something to you?
So you know, so in a way, you know, there
are some people who say, don't write about boring topics.
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But at the same time, you know that kid who
who did write about did end up writing about football,
and he ended up like exploring how his mom was
a college athlete and his dad had no interest in sports,
you know, and didn't care very much about He couldn't
understand all these terms his kid was using about the
plays he made. But he in exploring this, he got
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to see how his father, you know, was a support
to him and was meaning you know, how there was
another meaningful connection and also how this kid could become
a leader and not just to like showcase himself, but
to really help kids who were struggling, you know, to
come on board. And so you know, you want to
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create a kind of narrative that that powerful. And there
are no off limit topics, I would say, trying to
stay away from like climate change or you know, the
state of the world is very hard, I think to
write about because it's just it's so broad and really
this essay has to show who you are, what makes
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you tick, and why you are attracted, why you would
bring value to a school, because it's not just you
saying this is all about me, It's it's saying, how
would I bring value to that campus? Why does this college,
University of Vermont want me there, want a student like
me as they look to, you know, fill their class
with a range of different students.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Thank you so much, because I have heard in the
past that there's five d's that you need to stay
away from, and that is death, dying, dating, disease, and
I forget the other one, but it's all there. And
I was like, I'm wonder if Rose agrees to that.
So I had to ask. I had to ask, oh,
really quick, roads, where can people find you online?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
They can find me online. I have a website called
hor Horowitz h O R O W I t Z
tutoring dot com and that has you know things about
me but I do, and how to how to reach me,
my email and my phone number, about my background. I
also have a Facebook page. In addition to my own
(40:24):
Facebook page, I have a Facebook page called Rose Heroitz
tutoring that people can find me at UH and for
a women to follow. I created a YouTube channel where
all my shows are archived, so, you know, let's say
there's a particular show or guests that you were interested in,
(40:44):
or somebody you've heard about and you want to check
out and see if I've interviewed them or you know
what they said in my you know, you can go
to that archive. But all my stories are live streamed
on Facebook, Facebook, LinkedIn x, Instagram, and my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I think I covered it there so fabulous.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
And before I pass it over to Billy to find
out where people can find him online, I want to
ask you one final question, Rose, and that is, if
you can leave our listeners with any piece of advice
from you, a professional journalist, what would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I would tell them to be curious, to always be curious,
always be learning, UH, always want to meet new people.
You know, read about new ideas and from all you know,
have a very broad you know mind to to be
open to all possibilities and also in a way, you know,
(41:48):
I think a lot of us don't trust our instincts,
and you know, you have to trust your instincts. You
have to know who you are before you can understand
who somebody else is in a way. And then sometimes
you know, in a way sometimes you know, in the business,
like when I arrived at the APT twenty two and
they said, okay, you know you're opening a bureau and
(42:10):
you have to find stories that you think other you know.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Area papers might want.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Well, you know, fake it till you make it, you know,
so you know you just have to you know, and
look to other people. But but you know, you just
got to jump in there sometimes. And like with my
with my own podcast, I had been a producer for
these other podcasts and people were.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Saying, well, you know, like you should do your own podcasts.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
And I was like, oh, you know, you know, you
just had to do it, and you get better at
it and you learn things. But if you know, if
you don't start and you strive a protect perfection, you
may never you may never go.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Absolutely, I absolutely, one hundred percent agree with that. Rose.
It has been an honor and a privilege to have
you here. And really quick, before we jump off, I'm
going to ask Billy, Billy, where can people find you online.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Of the easiest place to find me is X which
was at one time Twitter at Billy D's on X
formerly Twitter. That's kind of like my social media home.
And you can find the Abilities podcast anywhere you can
find podcasts. We have about a ten year history with
the show in its current form, so it's real easy
to find.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thank you, thank you, and ladies and gentlemen, once again,
we've been talking with Rose Horowitz, Pulitzer nominee journalist. Wonderful,
wonderful woman. I'm going to start calling her Radiant Rose
because she just glows when she talks. And I absolutely
love that she has a tutoring service for college students.
Please check out her website once again, Rose, what is
(43:40):
that website?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Heroitz tutoring dot com.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And for people who want to find me, a most
active I would say on LinkedIn and x which is
under Rosehroitz thirty one and you can find me everywhere there.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
You've heard that, Ladies and gentlemen, check her out. She's
a wonderful she's got a wonderful, wonderful background, totally interesting.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Lady.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
You have to check her out, and ladies and gentlemen,
as always, you can find me on Exit Christy Books
and on most social media platforms under the name Christy Nicholson.
And I'm gonna say as we close out the show,
if you can dream it, you can achieve it. Just
look at our guest, Miss Rose. She dreamed her life
and she's got it. So ladies and gentlemen take advice
from Miss Rose. All right, until next week, we will
(44:28):
see you all again real soon. Good Night, everybody,
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