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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Definitely a different type of process shut down or freeze,
you know, being a coach's son.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Jackson, of course, Uh, they keep reaching. Why stuff the
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(00:47):
We have some baseball talk for you. We're sitting in
the somewhat cool I think everybody is sitting in the
Heat's gonna be a tough one this week I know, uh,
out this weekend. So make sure you're hydrating. And hydrating
means before you go out at least two to three

(01:08):
days be dunk in water. And don't just some advice.
Don't just I'm not you know, physical therapists, but I
know this. Don't just drink gatorade. You can't, Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You gotta drink water.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
You gotta drink water.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I mean you you can substitute a little for electrolytes
and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm a pedia like guy.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Are you a pedia like guy?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah? Like, when I need to get when I'm feeling
down or low entergy like low energy or I usually
go like a pedia light and then water very good
and go from there. Very good. Gatorade doesn't do great
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm with you. It just makes me sick.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Sugar makes me sick.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Start. I like the the hydration. I'm trying to remember
which one it is.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
The ones you can like dissolve the Yeah, yeah water,
those are good. Yeah, those are good.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
And I'll do that over gatorade or anything. Sure, you know, so,
I mean, I guess I think maybe gatorade. You know,
they used to drink pickle juice.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I heard I heard from an umpire that there was
one time he was out up in a game in
this summer, super hot, and he felt like terrible, obviously
wearing all that gear and everything, and who went to
go have lunch or had to like pack the lunch
or something, and he had a pickle and he ate
the pickle, and after that he felt incredible like the rest.

(02:31):
So at my tournament this weekend, I'm gonna bring some
pickles because it's gonna be nine nine degrees every day.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, never know.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, joining me on Today's a show for Baseball Talk
Diego Selairo Scout Connect. Good to see you man.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, it's good to be back in here.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Everybody's running around.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's that time here.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It is that time year. And speaking of we will
be to Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, Thursday night we got
the home run derby bing bang boom.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Are you participating it?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
We're you know, that's a good question. I can. I Uh,
last night, I do this from timetime hit tracks thing, Yeah,
because I think it's fun. Sure, and uh, you know
I was on the Little league field. Hit it abuck
twenty baby, let's go.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
It was off a tea or soft.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Off a tea. You know that means feet Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, the evil was at.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Least twenty five miles an hour. You know, baby.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
We have a hit tracks at the Barn in Illinois
and we'll mess around with it. We had we have
some pro guys that come in over the winter and
do all their training in the sports bar like pictures,
and sometimes they'll get bored and they'll turn the hit
tracks on and they'll go and grab a drop ten
bat and swing off it. I think we had Xander Meath,

(03:52):
who went to Belleville East and was a third, third
or second round pick by the Pirates a couple of
years ago, hit a ball like one hundred and fifteen
miles a drop ten bat this winter. It's pretty cool.
It's pretty fun. It's fun to throw back and do
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I liked getting in just to see if I could
feel the swing, you know, and a barrel of barrel
some baseballs and uh, but they have, speaking of for
the home run Derby, are good partners at Prime Sports
working with Game seven Baseball tomorrow for the home run Derby.
For all these kids from the World Series, got quite

(04:27):
a few coming to They're giving away a tucci a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I had one of those in my hands the
other night at Prime Sports, and I mean, I'm like, wait,
it was a it was a minus ten, but still
I was just like, I mean it was like a
fly swatter.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, there was just no waight to it. I was
like it, I remember, you know, drop tens back and
I don't know how many ounces this bat was, but
it wasn't very many, sure, and you know, I don't
know what the criteria is anymore, but man, it just
felt it just was so light into your hand and
I don't know what the ounces were, but that's crazy.
I guess you get a twenty ounce.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Or ten inch or if it's a drop ten if
it's a thirty one, so it would be twenty one
ounces goodness, yeah, or obviously thirty twenty ounces, yeah, twenty
eight what is it twenty eight eighteen.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, something like that. My goodness. It's just cooogie man
coogie stuff. But we're gonna have a lot of fun
at the home run Derby Game seven Baseball the World
Series will be out at b MAC on Friday with
the nine and ten year olds. I always love that, sure,
I think the good time little kids are fun man.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Just baseball having funny.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Got some baseball cards we're giving away. Saturday. We'll be
back out at the Whack. Got eleven year olds, thirteens
and fourteens. And then Sunday, of course Championship Sunday a
couple of semi final Championship game for the fourteen U
live streaming. Look forward to it, so appreciate Prime Sports.
We're gonna be doing our summer back series throughout July.

(06:06):
Make sure you come out check it out. We got
we'll have some more stuff coming up. But today on
the show, we haven't touched a lot of topics in
a while on the show. You know, it's been baseball
season high school and getting through it by the way,
uh they finished out. I know we haven't really talked
much about Illinois since the championship, and I saw a

(06:30):
triad lost they did, and uh met a young man
Cole Lockwood.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah from Libertyville. Yeah, won the state title. They did
win the state title. Cole Lockwood comes from a family
of baseball players. I believe he is the third, the
third or the fourth brother. His two older brothers both
were good players there. One of them was is at Valparaiso.

(06:57):
I think the other one is going to Valparaiz So
like he's either was a freshman this past year or
he's going into his freshman year of college. He can
really pitch, man, it's not ve like he doesn't have.
And all the Lockwoods are the same way. I think
the second brother was was a position guy, but the
older brother was eighty five eighty seven and he could

(07:18):
really pitch. And Cole's the same way, like mid mid
eighties fastball can climb it up to eighty seven eighty
eight and he throws four pitches for strikes. Good player,
really good player. Yeah. Libertyville State champs, first time ever
loaded squad and then Saint Lawrence took home the three
A That's who Try and lost to They beat Bennett

(07:40):
Academy in a private on private state championship game, so
three of the four state championships or state state champions
in Illinois were private schools. I did get. I think
one of the things we talked about was when we
did the one A was if Ottawa Marquee was gonna

(08:00):
go up to two A with Father mc givney. They
are gonna go to two A. So next year will
be the first time that Ottawa Marquette and Father McGivney
are not in one A. So it will open some
things up for sure. But it was a great year
of Billinois baseball.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Unfortunately, none of our Southern Illinois six point eight or
two point seven teams took home to state title this year,
but I'm sure they'll be back next year.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
So I've been enjoying watching the Barker brothers uh pitch
at the PCDL. Yeah they can bring it.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah they stuff. Don't quote me on it. I'm not
one hundred percent sure. I think they're headed to Swick
next for the fall. Yeah, I mean they're they're interesting
because you know, for those that don't know. Michael and
David Barker from o'fallen. They graduated in twenty twenty four,
went to Arkansas State and are now in the portal

(08:56):
they're playing over at the PCDL, which is the premiere
pitching Performance College League. O Right car Shield, And it's
pretty interesting because they're twin brothers and they're built the same,
obviously long lanky, being twins, right, I think the difference
like I could never tell who was who for the
longest time.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I ask what their number is, and one of them
has a mole on their neck, and that's how I
remember who it was.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I can't remember who. I haven't seen those guys in
like a year. But it's pretty unique because they're twins.
They're identical twins, but they throw differently. Yeah, Like David
is more like your three quarter and Michael is more
your traditional like over there. I just think it's interesting,
like everything else about them is the same, and then
when they pick up a baseball they do it differently.

(09:41):
But they were great. David Barker was a frontline guy
when he was in high school and Michael was kind
of like, you know, a little bit not behind, but
just he kind of came in. He came into his
development later than David did. David was kind of the
guy when he was fifteen sixteen, and then by the
end of their high school career they were both uper eighties,

(10:01):
like low nineties arms, so too talented guys there. I
believe they're going to switch. So staying home and continuing
to add to a Swich team that was really good
this year.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So there you go, looking for that next step. I
think it's interesting. I've enjoyed this PCDL league and that
brings us to the topic. You know, we got I
was I was reading an article. I like to go
through and just look at things and see what's going
on around here. Looking at some articles. Sixteen point seven
million kids playing baseball and softball in the US, according

(10:35):
to MLB. Yeah, yeah, eight point nine million kids are
participating in some kind of casual basis, which is still
a lot of kids. Sure, And that was that's an
all time high. And you know, we were we're getting
ready for the World Series right now. Everybody's playing some
ball at summer. High school's over summer, the elementary middle

(11:02):
schools kind of winding down their heading towards you know, what.
What's crazy to me is it's already June and end
of June.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I'll tell you what middle school base this is. Whatever,
middle school baseball. I'm from the Northwest burbs of Chicago
and I went to a pretty big middle school. We
never even thought about having a middle school baseball team.
It is huge in southern Illinois, and I don't know
if that's the case over here in Missouri, but everybody
plays middle school baseball. It's I think it's cool. Yeah,

(11:32):
I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I don't think because Saint Louis, excuse me, is a
different animal. Yeah, because you go to everywhere else in
the state and there's middle school baseball. You have middle
school teams now they'll play in tournaments and stuff. But agreed,

(11:54):
you know they have these middle school teams now. I
think they've done it. I think Saint Peter started it.
I think they're doing at Bawlin where they pull kids
from all these club teams and they have a tournament.
That is, they're middle school ages and even down in
elementary where you're going to be going to high school,
and they have a tournament, which I think is cool. Yeah, yeah,

(12:16):
And so it kind of gives those kids a little bit,
you know, because most of the time, all these kids
are playing against each other, and in the summertime, your
teammates in high school, you're playing against each other, and
then you come to high school. So I think it's
cool that they get a chance to play together before
they even get to there, which I think is neat.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
It just builds part of the culture, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I think that's where you see some of these
smaller schools are able to be consistently good.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well that's a huge thing. And I'll use Edwardsville as
an example just because I live there and I'm around it,
but I'm sure it's the samon O'Fallon and Troy with
Triad and like there's like there's regular communication with Tim
funk House or the head coach at Edwardsville and his
seventh and eighth grade coaches at the local middle schools,
and like they do the same things that the high

(13:06):
school does, and they like they go about it the
same way. So those you know, seventh and eighth graders
to junior high kids, the twelve thirteen, fourteen year olds,
like they know they you start them early basically with
how we do things at Edwardsville, and like they're coach
the same way, and they they coach the brand of
baseball that the high school team plays, so that when
they get to high school, it's like, oh, yeah, we've

(13:28):
done this before, it's not new, and you kind of
build that foundation and it's it's probably a pretty large
part of why those those high schools have success. Yeah,
in the middle I think Liberty Middle School, which is
there's there's two middle schools in Edwardsville, There's Liberty and Lincoln.
I think Liberty was the IHSA middle school junior high
like state runner up last year or something. And like

(13:51):
Glenwood Chatham, Glenwood is always the same and their high
school baseball team is always good and Pleasant Plains Middle
School they won the state a couple of years ago.
Their high school team is always good. So there's a
correlation there, right right, a correlation.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I believe that you watch we were down. We got
a chance to go down to Springfield on our winter
workout tour.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
And for the Willard thing.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, Willard and Nixon, Yeah, both of them doing the
same thing. Those guys. Coach coach, you said, ninety eight
percent of those kids in those are NIXA kids.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Sure, there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Uh, they got a few others. He said, you know,
we'll coach them, but we don't want to coach them
too much. I wonder about this, and this is this
is the thing that's interesting to me. How many of
these kids truly want to play college baseball? And I
think that's kind of where it starts, because you know,

(14:50):
in the age of of youth sports that we're in,
I mean, we have all of this and I will
say elementary middle school that eight you to fourteen you
and everything is talked about is about college baseball, college calls.
But how many of these kids really even know that
they want to do that, they really understand that thought process?

(15:13):
Or I would say it's very little.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, I think I think the only conversation you should
be having with a i'll say junior high, which would
include obviously eight, nine, ten, eleven, whatever and younger. The
only conversation you should be having with a kid of
that age about college baseball is did you watch the

(15:37):
college baseball game? Until you watch the World Series? Yeah,
Because I don't think any of those kids at that
age level have it. I really want to be a
college baseball player. You know why, because the only thing
that those kids care about is having fun and eating
ice cream and hanging out with their boys and playing
video games and talking to girls or whatever like their kids. Yeah,

(16:01):
I think that conversation like how many how bad? Like
how much do you really want to play college baseball?
That starts to kind of come into the conversation when
you're fifteen and you're sixteen and you're seventeen, and treat
treat the young ones that as let's just play the
game to get better, to build a foundation to develop.
I know that's a word that gets thrown around a lot.

(16:22):
And then if you really love it, that's how you
build like a true love for the game. Then we
can take the next step and be like okay, like
is this real? Is this serious? Do you actually want
to do this?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
And go from there in your experience diego, you know,
in that quest, you know, I find I'm seeing a
lot more kids leaving the game in high school.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, they get burnt out, Like I mean, I think
I think there's I think the word burnt out gets
thrown like that term gets thrown.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Around, catch words buzz break.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Gets thrown around too loosely, right, But like I think,
like I think if you take a twelve year old
and you force them to do something, or you run
them into the ground, or they play sixty seventy eighty games,
and it's like that's that's a that's a twelve year
old kid.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, you can't make them like something. Like if they
like it, they'll do it. And I think you do
see that. Like I think there's a lot of even
even kids that play in high school right now that
they play club ball and and do the events and
and go to showcases and playing these tournaments. I'll be honest,
like I see it all the time. Half the time.
Half those kids don't even want to be there. They're

(17:32):
just there because it's what we do. It's what we do,
like it's or or somebody wants them to be there. Right, Yeah,
it's not good for the game in my opinion, Like
you can tell at a young age who really likes
the game, you know what I mean. Like I see
kids at the sports bar and all the time, the
kids that are there every single day, and it's not

(17:53):
because like their dad wants them like drags them to
the bar and to go hit. They're just they're just
in the cage. They're mess and around, they got the
t set up, they're hitting with their boys. They'll go
on the hit tracks. They'll go on the field and
take ground balls or play wall ball up against the
wall and throw the ball and field it and keep going.
Like that's what you need. You have to build that

(18:13):
and don't take it any further until you build that.
In my opinion, there you go.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
We see.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
The amount of games and and I'm I am a proponent.
I believe this. I have no problem with these things.
Multiple sports as a young kid, you know, if you're
playing soccer, you play basketball, you play some football, depends
on you know, play tennis.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, it's a good it's a good way not to
do the same thing over and over and over again.
But also like that's a real thing. If you play
multiple sports, you're going to be more athletic, You're gonna
build because every sport is.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Different and you use different muscles, you different.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Body adapts in different ways.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And I think you know, so when you come to
baseball and we do sometimes and I know we have
great partners and we want success for what we're doing
and how we do and people say, well, you don't
like tournament. You don't like clothes. No that see, none
of this is a negative towards the structures in place

(19:16):
in that respect, it's just looking at this from a
kid's perspective, when you look at the fact of what's
the process here, and how do we get how do
how do we understand what's going on? Because there's so
much angst and and you got people yelling and screaming
at umpires at nine you ballgames? Uh with that? I

(19:38):
just don't at this point, and you know, we can
all I can look through rose colored glasses a little bit,
you know, even to myself. I'm sure I did some
of those things as well. And you you hope you
wished you know, maybe you weren't. Just did the win
in a in a competitive situation, if you're a competitor.

(19:59):
I think some of those things always always happened to
a degree, sure, And but how do we take that
temperature down? How do we understand, uh, you know, the
best case scenario and understand that you're talking about umpires,
umpiraring nine you ball that the you know, major league
umpires misscalls and things like that. So you have all

(20:20):
this process and then now it's going to be one
hundred degrees outside. Uh temperatures up, temperatures keep going up,
and we've got kids that are tired. Sure they have played,
as you said, you know, sixty games. And I think
that's one of the most fascinating things when we were
when I was coaching with UH club that I had

(20:46):
with Drew Prader back a little bit and different things
and kids, we talked about maybe thirty games a season,
and that was a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It is a.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Lot because, for one, if if you had three pool games,
that's ten tournaments if you play thirty games, because if
you didn't get to some, if you didn't if you
didn't get out of pool play, you didn't play on Sunday. Yeah,
it's different than today, where a lot you go on
more and things of that nature. Pool structures are a

(21:19):
little bit different. So ten tournaments, man, that's ten weeks. Yeah,
that's almost your entire.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Spring or some depending if you're a high school team.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, did the kids go to the lake. They wanted
to go to the lake. Mom and Dad definitely wanted
to go to the lake. And I think Mom and
Dad get a little cranky at the end of because
they didn't get to go to the lake.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I think you have to find there. There has to
be there's there's different levels to it all in my opinion,
like you're you're always going to have your hot your
quote unquote, your high level teams, right those are probably
the teams that are going to take a little bit
more seriously. They're gonna play every weekend, and that's fine,
Like if you if that the environment that that you

(22:01):
want to be in and it's competitive and all that great,
and then you're gonna have like your your quote unquote
your middle level right where it's like, you know, maybe
it's a again quote unquote, like a second team or
a third team, and it's guys that that you know,
like they want to play, but it's not like at
this highest level. And then there's always gonna be you know,
the lower level, which is fine too because everybody fits

(22:23):
into a bucket, right, but I think youth baseball and
you could start at eight and go all the way
to seventeen, you whatever it is, Like in general, I
think we gotta we got to take a step back
a little bit with all of it. Like I see
I see guys that are getting run out there and
guys that come to my events, like like my showcases

(22:46):
and tournaments, Like like I'll see a dude that just
pitched in my tournament on Sunday and we have a
showcase on Tuesday and he's pitching again. It's like, do
you just throw ninety five pitches? Man? And in general too,
like we have to put the development. And that word
gets thrown around a lot too and people say it
and I don't, and there is no exact definition for it,

(23:09):
right well, there is, like like dictionary wise, but development
to you can mean different to me, can mean different
to him, can mean different to that guy. But that
the overall development and getting better and all that stuff
has to be what the forefront of youth baseball is

(23:29):
in my opinion, whatever like at whatever level. And I'm
not saying don't try to win and don't try to compete.
But I played a lot. I played a lot of
travel baseball games, and I don't remember winning like every
game we won and every game we lost. Now high
school high school's different. I remember all the high school

(23:50):
games and this and that. But like I'll tell you
what I do remember for my travel tournaments and whatnot,
catching three games and then going on the mountain pitching
and then doing and then pitching and catching again, and
then when my elbow started to hurt, I kind of
put two and two together and be like, Okay, that
probably wasn't the best thing for me to do, right,

(24:11):
And I just think, like I I unfortunately see a
lot of that. And I don't know if it's because
we and when I say we, I mean the baseball community,
like we get caught up and we're trying to win
this tournament because it's a super awesome tournament and I
want to hang a banner up and say I won
the tournament, or we're not educated enough about that to

(24:31):
do stuff like that. But I think if when it's youth,
especially when it's when when it's younger guys, you have
to put the development and the younger they are the
fun and the love of the game. Because if you
put that in it, they will like the kids will
get better and they'll have a good time doing it too.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah. Absolutely, you see Okay, scout connect you do. You
see a lot of players. You see high level players,
You see players from up and down.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
The Yeah, you see everything. You see everything. It's an
evide You're gonna see all of it.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So I would ask you, and I think this is
the question, at the end of the day, how many
of these kids are good enough to play Division one baseball?
And now mind you here here half of a percent
eat you to fourteen years?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, half of a percent, right, because that's the statistic, right, Well,
it's like, yes, one hundred percent. Right, Like I think
the number is not just Division one baseball but any
level of college baseball. Yeah, I think it's like seven
percent of high school athletes, correct, So that doesn't count obviously,
the youth, the younger, the eight nine, whatever. Take that

(25:45):
seven percent. I don't know what the actual date is,
but take that seven percent and say, okay, how many
of those guys are Division I baseball players? I would
guess that number goes down to like one and yeah,
now take all that information and factor it in that
everybody's roster is now down to thirty four. Now that

(26:07):
number comes down even more so, Like all that is
to say, it's never been harder to play college baseball
in general. Right, that's seven percent. That's seven percent. Now
becomes excuse me, even more exclusive because what the Division
IE roster cutdown does is it has a trickle down
effect on everything else. Right, Like all those dudes that

(26:30):
got cut, they go in the portal, and then they
go in the portal and they filter down to the
Division two's and the naias and the junior colleges. Well,
when those guys come from there to this level, now
somebody at this level has to get cut, right now
they go down to this level. And who does that impact?
The high school kids? Obviously, yeah, and everybody else. It

(26:50):
just makes it tougher to play. So it has never
been harder, at least in the last ten years, has
never been harder to play college baseball, but to play
division on baseball if you're a high schooler.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
And I think this is the important thing about this
and the conversations that got to be had at this point,
how do we deal with this moving forward? Because club
baseball good, bad or in different not a knock, it's
just what it is. Has been built around sending that

(27:28):
kid to play college baseball on a scholarship. Okay, so
we have all of these things. We have all of
this stuff, and you hear the negative, you hear this,
you hear the bashing, you hear these things. But yet
that's one of the things that I think where's the solution.
What's the solution? Does anybody want to talk about solutions

(27:50):
and how we start changing the culture and talking in
a different way because you speak specifically about these things.
How does a young athlete begin to understand what that means?
You know, from four at twelve, thirteen, fourteen, what does
that mean to be recruited?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
They have no clue, parents, and they don't need to
have a clue in my opinion, not at that age level.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And that's what it got to. And I thought that
that was the first I think call in it, which
I loved that eighth graders are no longer being.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Me too agree recruited?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
That was that was ridiculous. You don't know, Yeah, you
just don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, don't know. It's hard enough. It's hard enough with
a sixteen.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Year old, Yeah yeah, I mean they're teenagers, man, they
got a lot going on. I think I think it
comes down to this is the mentality of the club baseball,
what it is, what it's about is to get to
be able to send a player to go play collegiately

(28:55):
on a scholarship. Right, Yeah, I think the new mentality
has to be less about the club and more about
the player, and really like, how badly do you actually
want to play college baseball? Because you talk to a
lot of kids, they're like, d Wan or Bus do
want er Bus? Do you want to Bust? I want
to play a Division one school because my boys are

(29:15):
going there. Like I play on a club team and
it's got ten Division one commits, right, it's something in
my throat and like you're not gonna see that. You will,
your higher level guys will, right, Like you look at
the twenty twenty five thirty best players in Missouri, right,
all those kids will probably still be Division one commits, right,

(29:37):
but that list is only going to keep on getting shorter.
And now it has to be, okay, do you actually
want to play collegiately or do you want to just
be able to put on Twitter that you've announced your
commitment to a school that has a big name logo, right,
Because like, if you actually really want to play collegiately,
now that's going to become being okay with going to

(29:58):
a junior college, being okay with going to a Division
two school, tearing it up for two years, hitting the portal,
and then going to a Division one school. You know
what I mean, like, how badly do you actually want
to get in the college game. Yeah, and that's the
conversation that has to be had. Well, oh, first class service,
Thank you, You're.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Welcome so well. To me, I think that's one of
the big things too, because I put this question we
were talking about before we started, you know, what does
it take to be a Division one athlete?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And you said, well, that's.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
A loaded question. Yeah. I think it is because there
is a to me, just in my opinion, and I
don't know it all, I just have an opinion, there
is a difference, correct, There is a difference between being
a Division one athlete and being a Division one baseball player.

(30:55):
And I think the difference between that is a Division
one athlete, like we talk about athlete, To me, that's
somebody that has the tools, the talent, the outputs that
allow them to be able to play at the Division
one level, because regardless of what it is or not
to play at the Division one level, you have to
have some sort of tools, right. You can't be me

(31:18):
who was five foot ten, two hundred pounds and through
eighty two miles an hour, no matter how many times
I got Division three hitters out and whatever. That does
not mean that I was good enough to play at
a Division one level. I didn't have Division one athlete
level tools. I didn't have the velocity. I couldn't run,
I couldn't hit at that level, I couldn't defend at
that level. Whatever the tool is. To me, that's what

(31:40):
a Division one athlete is. You have the capability to
produce at an output that puts you at that level.
A Division one baseball player now is a guy that
maybe he does have those tools right, but blends it
with the ability to play the game at that level.
And what I mean by that is run the bases,

(32:02):
have the ability to be in the strike zone, have
the instincts to be in the game, like an advanced
knowledge of the of the game that allows you to
play at that level when maybe you are lacking a tool,
maybe you don't hit the ball super hard, but you
can really pick it right and you're always in the
right spot, and you really run the bases, like your

(32:24):
jump on your secondary lead is really good, or like
when a guy goes dirt ball, you see down angle,
you're at second base right away. Now you just turn
to walk into a double or a single into a
double or you're always in the right spot on cuts
or if you're a catcher, everything stays in front of you,
you know, and like you can blend that with tools, right,
like defense is a tool. But I have seen plenty

(32:48):
of guys that have that are Division one athletes that
have the tools, but they can't play. Yeah, I mean
they can. It's a six or four runner. It's a
guy that's a ninety seven arm from the outfield. He
takes VP and huge bat speed and huge exit v lows,
but he can't hit a breaking ball, you know what
I mean. And before I think like six seven five

(33:11):
six seven years ago, you saw guys like that out
of high school, especially are Division one players. Because if
I'm a coach, I'm looking at that guy and I think,
if I can fix him, like if I can teach
him how to hit a breaking ball or at least
be good enough like to maybe it's like he.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Can foul it off enough to get a fastball.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Or like you see it enough where you auto take
breaking ball and hit fastballs until you have two strikes. Right,
then that guy can be really good for me. But
now I think because the pool is becoming shorter, man
that dude that's got the crazy tools, Like you got
to go to junior college for two years and prove
that you can post and show up and perform, and
then we take a chance on you, or you go

(33:52):
to a Division two school or a mid major school
that is willing to take a chance. And now I
think the coaches and the schools, and I could be wrong,
but I think it's all going back and they are
reverting to Okay, how can I win? Like, what are
the guys that are gonna help me win? And I
think you're gonna see that on the mound especially, don't

(34:13):
get me wrong, your upper echelon, your ninety nine percentiles,
your secs, your accs, whatever, You're still gonna see guys
that are ninety four ninety seven and maybe don't throw
a whole lot of strikes all the time, but it's
super high carry fastball and can really spin a breaking
ball and get dudes out at your lower levels and
even at your your your baseline like power flow levels.

(34:36):
I would not be surprised if you started to see
a lot of dudes that were eighty eight ninety two
three pitches for strikes and can go both sides of
the plate, can establish both sides of the plate, can
get both sides of the plate out, because I think
all these guys are done watching guys that throw ninety
eight walk everybody and you you don't win games. And

(34:59):
just look at how many are in the portal right
now that are ninety five plus. But they don't throw
any strike, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
So that in too, not only that, their pitchability is
that and then they're gonna get you into the fifth
and sixth inning.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, you can live with the guy that's ninety
six ninety eight for an inning, right, and because then
they're his his martin now unless they're spraining it all
over the place the whole time. Right, But your margin
for error in one inning is way smaller than in five. Yes, right,
so hey, go blow it out for an inning. Just

(35:34):
be around the strike soone, because regardless of whatever, ninety
six miles an hour is pretty hard to hit.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's effectively wild.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, But that to me is the difference between what's
the Division one athlete and what's the Division one baseball player. Yeah,
and I think this side is going to become more
important than this side.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
There's a lot of kids with athleticism, but does it
always translate to being good at something?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
And that's why I think base is the hardest sport. Yeah,
And I'm gonna be biased, right, Sure, you'd be a
freak athlete. You run a four to four to forty
in football and be just fine, you know what I mean,
Like even if you don't have a full renowned instinct
and development and idea of like what's going on in
front of you. I mean, if you run a four

(36:20):
to four and you can just run past guys, you'll
be fine, right, Or if you're a six to ten
basketball player with a forty five inch vert and you
can dunk all over people, you can be okay.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I think one of the things that is underrated or understated,
we'll put it that way. Understated is the amount of
people that don't really know how good you have to
play just to play Division two baseball.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
At any level. It's not just Division two like Division two, rights,
it's the next step quote unquote next step down from
Division one. Any level, any level of college baseball, you're
always gonna have you're not so great teams, right you are?
But I mean I played against guys in Division There's
a guy throwing for the Cardinals. He went to Aurora,

(37:15):
which is which was in the conference that I was in.
I mean he was like six' eight and was low
nines AT A division three and he's in the big leagues.
Now Chris, ROYCROFT i think is his. Name like anywhere you,
look any level regardless is if it's an AI A d,
three n J C A A d, three n J
C A d, two, whatever it, is, like there's gonna

(37:35):
be a good, baseball it's. Hard it's hard to get
on the.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Field that's WHERE i was. GOING i was just gonna
name them all because you Got division two in AI,
a in my opinion is is very similar To division.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Two. YEAH i mean like your BEST nai schools are,
loaded and it's because it's way easier to get into
AN nai, school yeah than it is AN ncaa.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
School.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah the academic requirements are not.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
As they're private, schools.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Correct they whatever is there, yep.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And they have no they're not beholden to the N
c TWO. A then you Had division, three you, Know division,
three it. DEPENDS i don't know a lot About division.
THREE i really.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Don't, Yeah SO I I i Played division three AND
i was A DIVISION i was an Average division three baseball,
Player like that was my talent. Level my talent level
was your your, average like your your eighth. Reliever like
not a guy that was you, know that didn't have,
that that was an all conference, guy never stood. Out
but LIKE i, MEAN i played against dudes that were

(38:39):
mid to uper eighties from the left side or uprights
low nines from the right, side or guys that hit four.
FORTY i, mean and that was seven years, ago like
eight years ago or. Whatever it. Was like there's there's
good baseball And division three. Now the only difference is
obviously there's no there's no academic or athletic money that
goes into. It there's no athletic. Scholarship so like if

(39:00):
you're gonna be A d three, guy you got to
really want, It like you got to really want to
play the, game because you're not getting paid for. It
you might you might be getting some good academic, money
right and there's no there is some some you, know
like the baseball coach goes and tells the, School, HEY
i need you to give this guy more money off
because we want him to come, here you know WHAT i.

(39:20):
Mean but it's a lot of private. Schools it's a
lot of you, know, Yeah division high academic, institutions and
but there's still good. Baseball washed is one of the
BEST d three teams in the, country right and, like
and there ARE d three guys every year that they
go in the portal and they go To division one

(39:41):
school or they go to a high Level division two
school and they go and their dudes right, Away like
it happens every. Year there's good baseball, everywhere and it's
only going to keep getting better with the trickle. Down
AND i just if you're a high school baseball player
and you really want to, play like you the only
thing that you, Love you've loved baseball, forever you really

(40:03):
want to, play you want an opportunity to be a
college baseball, PLAYER i cannot tell you. Enough don't shut
any level. Down and, hey if you don't want to
be A d three, guy like you just really don't want,
to then that's. Fine go be a, student go to,
missou go have a good, time be with your, boys.
Whatever but, like if you really want to play the,
game understand that now it's IT'S i had this described

(40:27):
to me. Perfectly it's like a pond and you got
to jump in and swim, man because that's the only
way it is. Now and like if you, think, listen
like the the ability for college coaches with the transfer
portal now and all the data we have, available the
ability for somebody to find a good player at A

(40:49):
division two, school AN nai, School DIVISION iii school is very,
Easy like it's never been easier with synergy and the
data they have available to. Them so terrible as it
is to say for SOME d two's and SOME d.
Threes if you if you go out and you get a,
guy and you show up as a, freshman and you
post and you play every, day and and and and

(41:10):
your dad is good and, whatever like you just, bounce
just go in the portal and someone's gonna find. You
like that's what it. Is and the unfortunate reality, is
Like i'll talk to Some division two schools because we
have a lot in this, area right with THE, glvc and,
yeah great schools and great programs like in, general like
not just THE glvc, schools, right but LIKE i have

(41:30):
had some some schools tell, me LIKE i don't care
if that kid comes here for two years and he,
leaves because we got two great years out of him
and now that guy's earned the right to go get
in the portal and get his whatever and get his.
Money and that's just what it. Is, now that's what it. Is,
WELL i, mean, seriously you look AT.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I think the one young man that comes to, mind
because when all the roster stuff Went Trey Johns.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Wikowski, Yeah Grant hollisters The Central.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
MISSOURI i love that because YOU i mean In Central,
missouri he's going to be a powerhouse again there for time.
Time they recruit, well and you got those. Guys they
just finished second in the. Country Two and if you
don't know About Tampa university the, division oh my. God.

(42:24):
Yeah when, uh When justin was starting to look at different,
schools you, know he's he looked. Around he's, like he
put that on a, List tampa because.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
You know It's, Florida florida good.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Weather, well he'd went down there to uh baseball factory
for a training deal was. Good he enjoyed it and it,
helpedhim and so he was he like he Was. TAMPA i,
said all, right let's look at. This i'm looking, this you,
know ten years, ago AND i look at their, RECORD i,

(42:57):
said did you see?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
That look at their?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Schedule look at who they're. Playing it's, like, no that's not.
YOU i, mean AND i don't he would. Know he
would laugh and, SAY i don't, know BUT i mean
you're looking at they WERE i think fifty two and
three that. Year they JUST i was, like how is
a college team that?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Good? Oh they are.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Incredible so you have to understand and this is where,
okay so what is recruiting? Criteria and that's WHERE i
think we've failed a lot within this whole. PROCESS i
know for a fact that if you're looking At division
one SEC acc big big, twelve who's the other one

(43:45):
whatever it, is big, ten they're looking for a particular, type, body, type, weight,
height all of those. Things are all these measurables now
are their outliers? All, absolutely it's. True but for the most,
part they start there and they start. Looking as you,

(44:06):
said they can see what you're. Doing they can see
the scattering, ports they can see the. Measurables they can see.
That and that is a baseline for kids to really
understand where you're at in the, process isn't.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It. Yeah, again it goes back to the athlete baseball player, thing, like,
listen if you're gonna play At. Arkansas, okay you can't
really be like a seven to six runner in the
sixty and play In, arkansas, Right, like you have to
have the tools to play at that. Level and then
after that it goes to, okay you have the, tools

(44:40):
now can you play the game? Right and to be
honest with, you like that's that every every program is,
different and you, know this is SOMETHING i have learned
in having conversations with. People everybody is very. Different LIKE
i will sit and And i'll watch a high school
kid And i'll be, like, man that kid's really good baseball. Player,

(45:01):
yeah LIKE i think this kid could play at ex, school,
Right and THEN i will have a conversation with that
school And i'll be, like, hey what do you think
about this? Guy and that coach will be, like, YEAH
i don't think he's a fit for. Us And i'm
sitting there thinking to, myself like we talking about, man
like that's a really good baseball, Player like he's probably
too good to play for you. Guys but then like
you you you don't factor. In, Okay, well that kid's

(45:23):
a right handed hitter and the right field wall on
our field is two, ninety so we just get a
bunch of lefties that can pull the ball in the
air and hit, homers, right or or that guy runs
a seven four sixty and he's not very good down
the line home to, first and our whole lineup is

(45:44):
six' eighth like six, eight guys because that's, our. Style
right we love, to run we love, to bunt we
love to do the, little things all. Those THINGS so
i think that's where we can kind of get a
little bit in trouble with the measureables and stuff is
because like, everyone's different all the schools. Are, different, now
yes to play at some, philosophy, right yeah what they want,
to do and to play at, some level you have to,

(46:06):
have tools right. You do you have to have the
tools that are the baseline tools for, the conference for
the level that you want to. Play at but then
when you individually break, it down that's what makes it.
So important and, that's why like none of these schools
just recruit. Off measurables they got to go see the,
guy play because now they have, To, go okay yes
you that's like a. Check mark but that, first, check

(46:28):
now do you have everything else right that?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Fits us It's what, i'm saying it's a process for
them they first checked that, or Else The, SCOUT Connect Pbr,
perfect game they wouldn't. Even exist, yeah, right yeah so
those and long, Before, that football the, Recruiting services they've
been around for a. Long time it just used to be.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
On, video, yep yep that's the. First thing, it's, like
okay like do you do you have that? Check mark
now let's figure. It, Out, Yes, listen like that's not
to say that you have to have crazy good tools
to be a good. Baseball player. You, don't like you
could be five foot four and not have a HIGH exit.

(47:12):
V low maybe you don't run, very well, but man
that kids, A grinder like how many.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Times you got playing all? Five guys, like.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
LISTEN and i, think this this Player that i'm about
to mention is a perfect fit where he went. To,
College right BUT when i Would Watch nico lagna play
in high, SCHOOL ball i would sit there and, be,
like yeah some.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Best hands that's a really good.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Baseball player now do you Know what nicolagna At A
division i level Looks Like? Nolan, system yes and It's
Because nolan system probably runs a, Little better he's got,
more juice he's, left handed, You, know defensively it's probably.
Pretty similar and then that's. The, DIFFERENCE now i know
it's two forms To well, west, guys right and they're

(47:56):
both really good. Baseball players but that's the difference between
what one bucket looks like in the other is one
guy was a, little, Undersized right maybe he didn't have
the biggest the highest eggs ofve low or like the
biggest in, game juice but he never. Struck out he
was always a tough. At bat you could play him,
at third you could play him, at second you could
play him, at sure you could probably play him in,
the outfield probably play him at first base if you.

(48:18):
Wanted to he'd. Be fine and he did. Everything right
and then you'd take that dude and you make him
a little stronger and you give him a little bit.
More juice he's got more, arm strength probably a little
bit better, lateral agility and now that GUY'S an sec,
commit in one of the best players in. The area
that's the difference. To me that's what two really, good
guys two really good, baseball players two guys that do

(48:39):
a lot of the. Same, thing well one guy does
it a little bit louder than, the other and that's
why he fits into. This bucket not to say that
this one's, any bad but that's just. The difference. To me,
THAT'S interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I think and but these are THINGS that i think
have to be. Talked about parents got, to understand, you
know what they're. Dealing WITH and i don't know if
we're getting some of the honest conversation in. This, RESPECT unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I don't think. SO either i THINK we i think
we have some some some things that, you know people
say things and they promise things and do this and you'll.
Get there it's just that's not really it's not realistic
for anything. In life but if you boil it down
to like baseball, and recruiting like you can't promise, anybody anything,

(49:25):
man like you got to go take it if you want.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
To play if you get it into high school and
you start, the process then you really have a love
for it and you care about getting to the next
level and into the. NEXT LEVEL i i. The goal
you always set, a goal but you have to think about, the.
Present YEP and i think that's what we. Don't do
we we spend so much time talking about the next

(49:50):
level that we forget about where. We're at we're playing
twelve of you.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Baseball, today yeah let's just let's just.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Enjoy that and fun and have some fun because none
of these kids are going to get. Recruited today they're
not going to be Playing high you don't even know
if they're going to make their high school baseball team
and are they good enough to? Do that so when
you get to that thirteen TO fourteen, u level being present,

(50:19):
means okay where Do you where are you going? To
school i'm Going? To, edwardsville well? Good, Luck yeah i'm
going to Play At? Francis houth? Good luck what?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Are you what are?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Your tools and are we having those conversations to prepare
those kids what it's going to take to Make, an
edwardsville to Make? A belleville what Is it East?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Or west both?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Of them both of them are do you have the
tools to make? These TEAMS and I and i don't think.
We're starting and if we start there and really teach
those kids how to do those types, of things then
that sets them in motion for understanding what those. Tools
are after you get to, that spot you've, made that
now you're. Continuing development what's the tool for the? Next
SPOT and i think that's where we have to start

(51:11):
that resetting that process a.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Little, bit YEAH and i think. We've lost we have
lost in translation what it means to. Have tools AND
what i mean by, that, is like, you know, five
six seven, years ago we, the game the game, of
baseball was granted the ability to. Measure tools not measure

(51:34):
tools in the sense of like running, and, throwing right
but measure tools in the, Sense, that okay now we
can set up a device behind, home plate and when
we take, batting practice the device can tell us HOW
far i hit, the ball HOW hard i hit, the ball,
what like how WHAT level i impacted the? Ball? At
right but, that turned as it does with, all, kids
right that shiny object turned, into okay now what's? My,

(51:57):
exitvelo like what's the? Highest? Exitvelo right And again i'm
not saying it, doesn't matter because. It does at the
end of. The day if you hit the baseball hard
and you hit it within a certain amount of launch angle,
or whatever you have a higher chance of getting. A
hit and then if you don't hit the. Ball hard
it's just common sense and people have been saying that, for,
years right that's why you preach get on, the barrel
get on, the barrel get on, the barrel because if

(52:18):
you hit the, ball hard you're gonna probably you're probably
going to have more success than someone that doesn't hit
the ball as hard. As, You right but it can't
just be all, about that AND like i see so
many guys sell out for eggs of velo and this and,
all that and we have to kind of take the
tools that are important and take the measurables that are
important and kind of reel, them, Back RIGHT like i

(52:42):
could think of a couple guys here recently in the
last couple of weeks in my showcases and my events.
Or whatever they take awesome ROUNDS, of vp, like awesome,
like balanced polished all over, the barrel like they're going,
that way they're going, that way they're going. That way
everything's a, line drive like when they swing, their saying
they're not falling over. The plate, it's repeatable it's quite,

(53:03):
it's simple you. Know what the first question when when
they get out of the box as and then when you, tell,
them oh it's, ninety two, they're, like, oh man, That
sucks no. It, doesn't, well man you're sixteen and you
just took an AWESOME. Round vp and by the way,
your swing because of how repeatable it is and how
quiet it is and how balanced, it is your swing

(53:24):
is gonna play way better in game than the guy
that's just taking g hacks the, whole, time yeah and
falling over that the second you, change speeds he's done.
For RIGHT and i think like that conversation needs to
have more because like the people see the big, SHINY
number i want to get, NINETY five i want to get,
a hundred and, you should like you should want to
be able to hit the ball as hard as you

(53:45):
can because at, the again at the end of, the
day if you hit the, ball hard you're gonna. Have
success but it's about how you. Do it and it's
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
WITH Velocity i i've been privy to some of, these
numbers and you see the kid what you're. Talking about
all of, a sudden you have this big number is like.
Ninety seven, you know, you're, like oh and. Everybody goes
but then the other are like seventy eight and all yeah.
Or That so, i'm, like well wait, a, Minute, dude
yeah it's. A one your swing, is, wrong yeah or or.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
You'll get it where it's like it's like ninety four five.
Ninety six but every ball is right into, the, Ground,
right well what does? That? Get like what is that do?
Any good if you hit the ball on.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
THE ground i want to see a barrel?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Line? Drive, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
How many times you get in the? Sweet?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Spot YEAH and i, don't, Know MAN like, i think
all all the tools that, we have all the all
the capabilities we have to, measure things and and all,
the training it's. All awesome. It's great allow it allows
you as, a coach as, an evaluator to be able
to take knowledge down that you wouldn't be able to
see with.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Your eyes, right now we're to the point, where, parents
coaches we got to start working a lot, more together
people having good quality conversations about where their kids. Are
at quit worrying if you're playing on THE triple a
team or THE double a team or THE single. A
team go. Play baseball play to the best of, your

(55:08):
ability enjoy the sport when You get when you're, in,
practice focus be intentional and pay attention to what the
coaches are saying. To you and if you have a coach, that,
says hey, YOU know i think you ought to look
At some division. Two schools if you're in the high

(55:30):
school and your, recruiting process and he says you should
look AT some Anai and division two. Pay, ATTENTION.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
YEP i i it's unfortunate because, you know like like
like like there are some guys that, you know they
don't want to play collegiately unless it's Had a division.
One school and. That's fine like if if if that's,
your path and You're like i'm either going to play
AT a d one or Bus or, i'm Done like
i'm not, gonna, play okay then you're probably not, gonna.

(55:57):
Play RIGHT, but, I like i have had conversations with
high school kids in the past that, are, like, hey man,
like like what do you got goal? For you what's
your what's your recruiting? Look like and this was before
all all, of, this right and, they're, like, oh well,
YOU know i got ex school y schools the school
and it's so it's a BUNCH of d twos in, junior,
Colleges Right and, i'm like well that that's that's, pretty

(56:18):
good and, they're, Like NO like i was kind Of
hoping i'll just Throw. LIKE miszoo i Was hoping miszoo
Or or illinois would come call me and, do this and, it's, like,
well man like you're my height and you're eighty, forty
six that's probably not, gonna happen you KNOW what. I
mean so then it comes down to, our again our
our our central topic of like how bad do you?
Want it and by, the way, like listen like Playing

(56:41):
at swick or Playing At johnny logan or Playing at
Jefco or crowder or whatever is just only gonna keep. Getting,
harder yeah like you got to be. A guy you
got to be.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
A guy recruiting criteria IS not i think an.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Exact, science no everyone's different because you and the things
you alluded to today with some of, THESE things i think
that's that's what makes it not an.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Exact, science yeah and somebody can. Fool you somebody can
SAY surprise i shouldn't say, fool you but. Surprise you and, you're,
LIKE well i didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Guy. There, yeah yeah it happens all. The TIME like
i will see guys come through and where they Commit
and i'm, like REALLY and, I listen i have no problem.
Saying this on the very first One Was. Charlie wortham
when When When charlie wortham Committed To. MISSISSIPPI state I
remember i was talking to somebody on the PHONE and i, was,

(57:36):
LIKE wow i can't believe he's Going To, Mississippi state
like WHAT am? I missing and then, YOU know i
saw him a couple. More times i'm, like, okay yeah
that's pretty good. And whatever and THEN like i was
around him a good amount AND like i saw him
a good amount in, the Fall and, i'm, like, okay
yeah like that kid's, really good like he belongs at
that level and that stuff happens all the time, and

(57:59):
great like good for, the player but also like the
understanding of that these things like, they happen and like
just just go where you're going, To, play yes go
where you're going.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
To play get. Playing time one of the one of
the FUNNEST conversations i had Was With. Brady, nolan, just
yeah outfielder put up video game numbers this past year. Senior,
year yeah good.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Player, tools yes he's got all. The tools head in. The.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Crowder yeah why because he, told me, he said, HE
goes i really want To. Play arkansas so, He goes
i'm going to go there and. Keep. Playing yeah so
he had a plan and an understanding of how to
work to try and accomplish that goal and new, you
know they haven't, come call and they haven't this. And whatnot,

(58:48):
but that, to me right there was exactly kind of
what we're talking about on, that level on, that situation
an understanding, of.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That and he's cool. WITH it i. Am Sure brady
nolan when he was fifteen, years old, was, Like man
i'm Going, to. Arkansas right and then as he got
older and he did all, the events and then he
kind of, Realized, like, Okay well i'm probably not Going
to arkansas to. High school HOW do i Get? To?
Arkansas right and that's the pathway is go to a
junior college or go somewhere where you're. Gonna play because here's.

(59:19):
THE thing i don't know very many schools that recruit
guys that don't get at bats or, don't pitch you
KNOW what, i mean unless you're injured. Or whatnot and
it's different, for arms because, you know everybody needs pitchers
and you can get on the mound and you can
throw in a college league or you COULD throw x

(59:40):
amount of bullpens and if your stuff is good, like
you people will take a chance, on. You right, but
man if you don't got, at bats like. That's tough
that's tough to get recruited to play at the next
level if there's not a sample size of at bats.
Behind you because by, the way there's like five hundred
dudes in the portal that have two hundred at BATS
and i know what those. GUYS are i don't know what.

(01:00:00):
You are and we only got thirty four spots to
take a. Chance, on somebody give me the guy that
has played, two hundred, three hundred four hundred At, bass
worth that can hit three hundred with thirty five pumps,
or whatever and in over two three seasons over this
DUDE that i know. Nothing, about yeah and if you're not,
gonna play then you're not. Gonna play it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Probably over that's just the way, it. Is folks it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
The way, it's unfortunate but that is how. It is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
It's, sport yeah. That's, COMPETITION see i think, we love,
you know we we forget. You, know yeah there's the
competition of the. Game itself and you, go in you play.
And whatnot but every day you're competing against that guy
to be able to play in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That spot, and unfortunately now it's it's it's it's it's
it's not unfortunate because it's it's it's it's the game
the way. It is but the landscape of it is
not only you can competing against this guy that's on,
your team but you're also competing against basically. Everybody, else yes,
because everybody even even at the power, for level even IN,

(01:01:10):
the SEC the acc like the cream of, the crop
like the best teams in. The country everyone's a. Junior
college now everyone's a minor. League, system like so you're
competing against this guy on, your team and that guy on,
your team and this guy Over at arkansas and this
guy Over At tennessee tech and this guy Over. At
memphis like it's all just one big level. Of competition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It's gonna. Be fun we'll see. WHAT happens i hope
you enjoyed. This Conversation appreciate diego for jumping in with
this and bringing his insights what. He's learned. Honest conversations
that's what it's got. To BE and, i think, you
know let's get back to enjoying the baseball game. Going

(01:01:55):
out let the kids have, some fun. Enjoy it they'll
get the it'll it'll be business. Soon, enough, yeah yeah
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Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
You buddy Twitter or instagram at scout CONNECT bb bb,
for baseball not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Basketball exactly oh there you go a little teaser, right.
There everybody thanks for. Tuning in we do. Appreciate it
we'll see you at. The ballpark if you're gonna be with.
Game seven we'll see you. This weekend where are you at?
This weekend we.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Have OUR Sixteen U summer series tournament Over At Triad
high school And. McKendree university we got, nine teams some
pretty we've we've prayed two tournaments already this summer that
we're really. Really, good actually our fifteen tournament is awesome
good and sixteen you this weekend should be. Pretty good

(01:03:31):
i'm really looking forward To our july tournaments to, be
honest as, our seventeens and then we end the Summer
With Saint, louis cup which is our sixteen and, seventeens
tournament which is basically gonna be. Really good it's like
all the best, teams Sweet so i'm PUMPED for i.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Love, that yeah it'll. Be cool there, you, Go folks
thanks for. Tuning, in everybody have a great day In.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
The lord all, You pitchers groschreis mom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Hitters might as well hit it out of. The park
ain't nobody there to. Catch it we'll see y'all. Next
time

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
M hmmmm

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