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You were now listening to the podcastfor Geeks and the Stuff They Love,
where each week we'll talk about everythingfrom anime to movies, games and prop
collecting, but the people who createand love it. I'm Jeremy, I'm
Vince, I'm James, and Viceis your geek to get ready we already?
Okay, So back in the daywhen I was teaching, still there
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used to be Halloween. I wouldalways do this. The room would be
are me. Your efforts and educationare over. We have overtaken your science
building and will soon replace you withother students. We have taken down the
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Bronco board and replaced it with theooh ending machine. Items will be replaced
with your LATINUS good. Your credithours will be erased, and the only
job you will be able to getwill be ASA McDonald's. Now, Jack,
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not that there's anything prob your lifesince you once knew it soon and
there is nothing you can do tostop it. Prepair motamination. Let's let's
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some the budget you've got there tojet Army. You're gonna actually love your
fun and then I show up thatsame time. The accident wasn't so great
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at that point. That happened thepolice came here. As I say,
it's a big county downingvie. Wejust got doctor who at home? Yeah,
so I would I would say whitewires should I pull? But you
can't see it very well. Butthere's a big device that slid up on
the desk and ask him what Ishould pull. I'm trying and pulled out
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different wires. None of it's working. Probably just start pulling everything out and
then it explodes. Oh wow,wow, that's a production value men.
Yeah, so it was David Tennant'sdoctor when it came in. And then
I regenerate to Matt Smith when Istand up in a quick clust of change
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as well. Yeah, oh wow, there you go. So I'm going
through adem and I dad buying allthe typical Matt Smith stup stud's of the
front. Even knew what lines tosay his thing, and that I had
become another doctor. I kept onregenerating and stuff. That's cool. Yeah,
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it's figure on the inside. Lookit's huge. I just stick my
hand all the way in and allthe way really the way. Oh see,
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it's amazing. Are you not unpressed? Are you not very Scottiship?
This real? David denn not avery good contented so far you should stay
yeah somewhere like track, I don't. I would watch Shrek is the Doctor,
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what's Jeremy? It's radic I seedget or with some of the accis.
But at the same time, yeah, we should be crazy. Uh
yeah. Back in the day,so I know, this was a diagnostics
class, so so people had actuallyfigure out how to diagnose certain things,
and so I become the Doctor,which the first time I did it,
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a majority of people didn't even know, weren't didn't watch Doctor Who, didn't
know even who or what I wasdoing, which actually made it better because
then they're trying to figure out whetheror not I'm delusional or something like that
by the same time, or multiplepersonalities or what are we talking about?
Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, yeah, time it was. Yeah,
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it was a big production value.I did every single year. This
was one of the big things Iwould do is I'd do the big Doctor
Who thing for Halloween because you know, you shouldn't even be in class and
all and just might thought. Buton the flip side, uh, recently
just just uh you know, overthis these holidays we had three you actually
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had four Doctor Who episodes that cameout, three of which had David Tennant
and the way it ends. Incase you haven't seen, you guys seen
at this point to be seeing howit ends or what happened. So maybe
now you're watching it to an extent. Maybe I don't feel like I'm really
I'm really doing any spoilers here techniquebecause I feel like it's out of there
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enough and stuff like that. Idon't feel like they're still spoiler one.
I guess, yeah, yeah,it could be a spoiler spoiler warning.
Maybe. Uh. The big thingis because everyone knows who was going to
become eventually. Everyone knew that,you know, David Tennant was just a
temporary thing. The thing is thatI still had it. I had to
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go back twenty times and I hadand I looked online to figure it out.
But there's still a conversation to behad. Here is what actually happens
in this one at the end isor not at the end? About halfway
through the third episode, is thatDavid Tennant gets hit with array and and
then it begins to regenerate and thenstops, and then he asks for the
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two people that are with him topull Donna's with them, and as well
as one of his old companions fromway back in the day. It asks
them to pull, and they pull, came apart, and it's at that
point that the doctor splits into twodoctors, the new doctor and then you
have David Tennants doctor. And thething is what I've been able to figure
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out is and the part that Idid like, because there's there's some things
that I didn't like. I feellike typical for the particular writer is that
the first of these three episodes wasa little heavy handed in some of the
political stuff. But on the flipside, the thing that's interesting is and
where this is gone, is thatbasically David Tennant's doctor is the one that
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we've been following from the very verybeginning. So we have all these doctors,
you know, that are that doctor, and he's tired. Now.
The reason why I became David Tennantagain is because in that doctor is because
that's the tenths right, tenth doctor, love it doctor, tenth doctor,
tent tenth doctor. I thought itwas the tenth Yeah, tenth doctor.
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That's this other one right there.There. How quickly did were you able
to do that? That's pretty good? That's pretty bad. Yes, I
guess I have the wrong sonic backhere for that for that doctor. But
at the same time, so here'sthe cool thing is maybe is that in
the end I thought, you know, this will play turn out the way
it has in some other episodes.What happens is DA have a Tenant and
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that doctor and all the other doctorsthat he was is still alive, and
it has his own tartists, getshis own tartists. Uh, it's it's
his. He's still the doctor.He didn't lose any powers or anything else.
He is the doctor. But basicallythe doctor got tired and he's retired
and he's just having fun now andhe's and now the new doctor is literally
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a new doctor from the scratch.So that means that means that, yeah,
David Tennant's doctor is still doctor whouh and and what's that? But
then then there yeah, I meanso so so basically Jody Whitaker is still
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part of this string of doctors.Yeah, okay, so she was,
so she became David Tennant again.That was the end of the last series.
Is that basically, all of asudden she becomes David Tenant again.
David and every nobody was expecting itthey're expecting her to turn into the new
actor and she didn't and and thathe's like what and and he's and he's
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also drawn back to Donna, whowas the doctor Donna. Uh, there's
some things with that I I didn'tlike, But well, I guess another
spoiler winning brain story to exclude atsome point because which you think the way
there was all that was, Imean, half of it was kind of
pretty good. Was was the ideathat because she had a child, that
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half of that energy went into thechild. So so that's why she was
able to survive it and stuff.So then she still has so she becomes
because she becomes doctor Donna again,is done with the child plot? Or
is that just like thought the energiesand that and then that's that's that part's
a little weird. You can watchit and you can see it, and
that's that would be more of aspoiler alert probably at the same time there's
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uh, but at the same time, I guess I just like this idea
that basically what they try to do, regardless of what your feelings are about
Doctor Who at this point in time, is that they tried to preserve the
original string of doctors and that andthat theme separately and and literally now I
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mean like at the very end evenhe's joking with you know, because now
he's part of Donna's family too.He like hangs out with them and stuff,
and now he he doesn't have totake off anymore things. But at
the same time he is he's goingto Jupiter and stuff to just go bl
like jokes, or he's going toyou know, he's advance, going on
adventures rather than having to say theworld or phil or feel mad about what's
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the reasoning behind you? Then?Because we got well you remember, so
here's the thing is when I andI have to marry about this, right,
that's the new guy? Yes,yeah, yeah, so so ho
was a change for him? Then? Well, so basically what's that.
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It's like a soft repoot. It'snot a whole reboots of the friend choise.
It's like it's kind of like,yeah, it's a soft free book.
It's basically like he has he hasall the previous doctors technically history within
him, but he isn't carrying theirsupposedly their baggage is the and so there's
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that put in the cold stuff.Then I guess I guess it felt like
that kind of yeah, that kindof like kicked up a little bit insteade
of these. But but on theflip side, I guess the the flip
side idea is this, There's threethings I can think of on this is
one, you're saying, it wouldallow them if they wanted to at any
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point in time, they could popback, not necessarily to just jump with
David Tennant, but they could doadventures just for adventures again. They could
do you know they can do Theycould do a spin off. They could
also have him become another doctor actuallyat this point because he can he's still
a doctor, so he can stillregenerate. He's still whatever. I feel.
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It's like, obviously, in mycase, it's been a while since
I've actually properly watched up to likethe Lost do so that I watched was
mass Smith. But I feel like, unless I'm completely mistaken with Pizza,
was it Pizza, I think it'syeah, I know what you're talking about.
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It was Peter Capaldi Peter, andthen obviously with Judy Jenuine Like,
as I say, I don't knowexactly what their stories are, but I
feel that the Delta wanting to retireis completely against what his character was.
Well, so so here's where andlike you said, I have a theory
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about this. So you'll remember howthey got rid of David Tennant. So
just before and I think that thiswas the plan was near the end they
kind of made him it was hardto he did well, yeah, well
yeah, he's he was kind oflike he became bitter and stuff. They
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made him intentionally, and I thinkthat was to try and make it easier
for the audience to then be like, yeah, we're ready to move on
too, kind of thing. Theyknew that they would be hard to to
get to let go of David Tenant, and I I think that's what happened,
because it felt very intentional the waythat they wrote those last few episodes.
And at the very end, evenremember that he's like when the ooder
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coming to him and everything else,he's you know, and he got the
sunglasses and things and he shows up, he's like he's refusing to go to
do the next thing he knows isgoing to lead to his death and stuff,
and he's basically flipping off the worldand everything else was like, I
don't care anymore than that was theall ward buck to arc that he got
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redeemed after that, right, wellthis so well, so that's that's like
a and and that doctor doesn't technicallyplay into the number doctors, right He's
like that happened after after the youknow, David Tennant's stuff, So technically,
remember David Tennants, like he doesn'teven know what's going to happen to
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him, you know, when hemeets it. And so that and so
that Doctor series, which which isa historical there some things that are also
kind of hard to address because arealways have been a little off. Which
is going way back in time,so back with the very first series of
Doctors, is that you know,they came up with the idea of doing
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these episodes where he had multiple doctorsin him, including having an actor that
looked like the first Doctor and stuffcome in. They they would do these.
They did it twice before David Tennantand Matt Smith did the War Doctor
one. But but but outside ofthose, what the hard thing was is
that whenever they did those, theyhad to then correct for something that they
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would always say, which is,he can't have two doctors in the same
universe. You can't have them existingat the same time, because that would
do all these crazy things, butthen they'd always be like, well,
it's because of this and that,and then they'd make it work somehow,
and then you know, bullshit.And so with this one, this more
recent one where they split out fromuntillary, it's like, how does this
work and stuff? And it's like, well, because it's technically part of
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him, but it's not him,and it's not really you know, he
he's like new and he's a differentthing, and and that's how they can
both coexist. It's all the samethe universe. I think the technical the
technical to for it is a dosix Monchino, because the story wants it
to advance in that way, right, yeah, yeah, well they use
they I don't know. I don'twant to get into that part. But
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at the same time, I don'tunderstand I don't understand him getting his his
own taughtus either, because I thoughtthe Tadus was supposed to be like a
living being. Honest. That's alsosplit into somehow because a parent, well
let me see, can I tellyou this or that? This part isn't
really so they do bring back.This is another thing that happened that's that's
kind of important, is when JodyWhittakerer's doctor came along. The plan was
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we're gonna scrap everything that was doctorWho. Literally they said that they I
mean, that was the idea.Also, you know, it goes actually
back to bat Matt Smith. Theywere like, well, let's find a
way because it feels like now allwe have is just constantly at the Daleks,
the cybermen and stuff like that.Was like, we're getting into this
this thing, so let's make itwhere we erase all their memory. Let's
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make it where we make it wherethey don't whatever. And they did that.
They went through and they you know, they made it so that the
Dollks for example, didn't know whothe doctor was anymore and stuff, and
they they did and still desiron Manyea a million times again. But they
said, we don't want to keepbringing back old monsters anywhere, and we
don't really want to do the traditionaldoctor who, which is the traditional traditional
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doctor who is let's go to completelydifferent places all the time. I mean,
that was the adventure. Instead,let's let's make this, you know,
let's do it about history and educationand we're gonna we're gonna go to
the three kind of heavy level thingsright off the bat and stuff, so,
you know, and that was andpeople didn't like it, and they
got a lot of feedback, sothey decided to change that idea better.
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Yeah. Yeah, but but atthe same time, they they did these
three apps odes right off the bat, they bring back some really old villains,
so they brought back so they bringback the toy Maker instead of this
in the third episode, which apparentlywas super racist and had to be red
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gold, and people were offended aboutit in the original one or the current
one, well both apparently, Yeah, because he has kind of a the
thing it was apparently celestial was aracial slur for Asian people because they came
from the Celestial Kingdom, and that'show people in some regions of the planet
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used that in the Marble Universal too, Celestial. Yeah, but but some
some people on Twitter got offended aboutit because the toy Maker had a bit
of oriental or I'm not sure ifyou're in the old the old show.
Yeah, but it was also notplayed by it was played by a white
guy too, so yeah, no, it's that's Dubie Algier, right,
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly whohe is. Yeah, used to actually
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messaged me. I got messages onmy phone still from him, but at
the same time hers, Yeah,yeah, that's who it was. That's
who plays it, and he playsit with a bad accent. But the
counter for that, they're like,yeah, because it's not supposed to be
his accent, like he's so theyhe goes back and forth and think it
was actually he was actually not bad. In the end, I thought it
was this pretty well done, buton the weip side with oh yeah.
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But at the same time, Imean, yeah, they so they bring
back a they bring back this oldvillain and stuff. But the whole idea
behind these three episodes is the ideathat when we last saw David Tennant's doctor
and you know, and the doctorDonna thing and everything else happened, like
he was starting to struggle with withfeeling like this is worth it and everything
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else, and he was starting toyeah, and he was, you know,
he was getting burnt out, isessentially it. And the whole idea
is and they're kind of tie in, even like the Peter Capaldi situation is
you remember with him, he keptthem being like, why do I have
this old like what which which wassupposed to be also referring back to when
he was Caesar, because Peter Cabaldialso played Caesar in one of the episodes,
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so because like why am I thisguy? Like yeah, And the
whole idea is that basically he startedgoing through almost like a midlife crisis.
The doctors did, and that's whyall these things have happened across this time,
and they also talk about them,so we get started new it's like
yeah, I mean, well,and the idea that too, like he
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keeps running because he's been running thisentire time. You know, it's from
the very beginning, I mean thevery first episodes truly, like he he
stole the tartis, so the originaldoctor he had stolen the tartis and that's
that, and it kind of wentfrom there and then you know, he
broke it. And that's why it'salways looks like yeah, yeah, well
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it was a fireplace, so oneplace stuff, but like the first episodes,
it would be something different every time, and and then they just decided
to make it the phone booth.But uh, but yeah, so he
you know, the idea is thathe's been running from these from his responsibilities,
has been running from everything else andstuff. And because of this running
from things, too. He keepslosing people, and so you know,
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the toymaker does a little a littlemerry in that thing where he shows each
the you know, how each persondies and and then and then the doctor
responds by saying, yeah, butshe's preserved in time through this thing.
And he's like, oh, well, then it's okay. He gets He's
like, he's like, well,technically though she this and that, you
know, and uh and so yeah. So that's about going very on what
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happened for the best fee it kindof wraps they're trying to wrap up everything
and say, so this is wherefrom the beginning to now, this is
where that doctor is. And nowhe's literally okay and he's part of a
family now and he's sticking in place, but he's having adventures and so and
so forth. But going back tohow did he get his own tartege literally
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the toymaker, there was a youget a wish if you beat the toymaker.
And the wish that the new doctormakes is that there would be two
tartises, and so he goes outsidethese he hits it with a hammer.
It's split into two tartises, havethe same interior. Boom. Now you
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now you get your own Tartis.Yeah, but it felt a little bit
last second, going back to yourclement about like him trying to have a
family life and such again spoiler warning, but like from ages, they already
did that with David Tennant. Welloh yeah, you mean when yes,
so which yeah, well but yeah, well you know, he became his
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he he actually became a teacher.So there was an episode where the well,
no, that was Matt Smith,wasn't I then, I mean at
the end of season four, likebecause he in he has the three wes
he started his hand was cut offby the the thing the child into that,
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so like he already had a doubleof him, which wasn't adulter,
just a normal human. But theydirect ending we've had more than that.
So so you've got he got thathe's had his own kids before, which
he meant several times. I meanhe said kids and great kids, going
back to the very beginning, he'shad multiple kids. Are then you also
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have his daughter? You remember thedaughter? Yeah, I remember the daughter
in the war episode. With thethought that they would do something with that
at some point in time, likecome back or do a spin off,
that didn't happen infinite timeline. DoctorWes banged all of our moms. That's
the thing there, you go,it's pretty good mult diverse things for that
image. Yeah, we're the doctor. He he has a lot of kids
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that have been out there, butthat one, that one would be still
alive because she had the energy soshe can regenerate and everything else. But
but on the flip side, yeah, I mean, now he's it's not
his family family, but he's basicallysettling in and and you know, making
that his his his place, soright, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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so there's more about the family.You choose in the family you got something
like that. Yeah, well,and it raises questions. So there is
a movie in the works, andwe know that it doesn't involve the current
the new Doctor. It doesn't orit does it doesn't very good. So
so so is that because of this? Is it something else? Are they
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going from the scratch because they've talkedabout that in the past, of starting
with going back to the prequel becausepeople forgot the story, the initial story,
even though they try to remind peoplea little bit now and then like
actually happened, you know, tokeep on red coding everything, and I
think it's good that they wrap abow arout and it said, this is
the messy part of Doctor Who,where I get the new reboot with angry
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doctor. That's a good Dave.Yeah a rose and then then the biggest
softer. Then it got weird.They don't get even weird. And now
we're going to say little Doctor weirdfor going back to Doctor Who. And
I will say I didn't mind thefirst episode. I watched the when just
the other night I watched the firstwhich I ever't watched Doctor Who. I
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didn't watch the majority of Jodie WhitakersDoctor Who because the first the season that
she had, the first few episodeskind of burnt me out a little bit.
I tried to hang in there,but I couldn't. But but his
first episode reminds me of the oldDoctor Who's like, it's a new set
of monsters. Things like that.To a certain extent, there's some things
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that are a little hokey. Butat the same time, I don't like
his screwdriver. It's like your driverlooks more like an iPad or something.
It's like flatt and and like trianglerishin a new one. It looks like
a remote control I don't know.He says it's a screwdriver, and everyone's
like, but anyway, at thesame time, there, yeah, I
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I was, Okay, I'll probablywatch another one. I'll play stay with
it a little bit and see howit goes. But I am curious.
I'm curious where they're going with somethings. So oh, you know,
I'm seeing it. No, itdoesn't look right. No, right,
it's like And what's weird about thisone too, is when they split out,
they didn't spend you know, typically, which I guess they didn't have
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to do this time. Typically there'san episode. The first episode is to
show the adjustment of the doctor ofkind of figuring out who he is and
and what does he what tastes MattSmith's doctor did that one of the best,
you know, like what do Ilike for food? And what what
clothes? Like that? Yeah,like making themselves themselves. He basically pops
out and he's just like, yep, I'm me, and I'm unique and
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am new and and this is thefirst time I'm being me for the first
time and Congress and already knows everythinghe likes and doesn't like. So it's
kind of just right off the bat. Like it went a little too fast
for me. So like in thenext episode, he's like, here's all
this stuff I invented, and they'relike, well, wait a minute,
when did you do that? Ithen you went stree from the last.
Maybe that's also the dimensionality of thecharacter of the doctor that that you know,
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he's cookie and and he is doingextraordinary things, so uh, too
fast might just be his lesson tolearn, so to say, going forward,
Maybe I'm okay with it if theydo what what Doctor Who should have
been like it was back in theday where it's like he just shows up
at places and things happen and whatever. And for an episodic kind of thing,
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then that all episodes are standalone.Yeah, no more carrying arcs show
When you start having arcs, Imean we see this with anime particularly,
so you start having arcs, it'slike that I can't hang in the air
for this depends if you have allthe filler episodes to keep the arc going
or not, or the actual seasonsthe old arc, right, that's different.
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Like I know, for example,X Files had the Monster of the
Week kind of stuff, which youcould just skip and go to the mythology
arc. But Oh yeah, Startgate. That's some pretty pretty good arcs that
went places. Yeah, yeah,that's actually true. Yeah, going back
to Vince's coming before, like justhaving mentioned Rick and Morty, like,
I know that they also want togo back to I feel that they want
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to go back to the episode becausethey started doing the arcs and I feel
that there was so much pressure onthem constantly getting or wanting information on certain
characters or certain things and should likejust enjoy the show like episode and it
wasn't a comedy anymore, people knowexactly. They were getting too heavy and
too deep, and the last episodesthat really dire, especially like, yeah,
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they're fine, but they crossed theline in some places, which is
but also with the new actors,you know, yeah, there's just watching
needs to be off the seasons seriesnow, I think, yeah, figure,
But then but then again, Imean it's all entertainment. We all
enjoy it. I might just goingto rewatch WU from when I stopped and
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see where it goes from there.Yeah, but I'm glad to see that
the least the brand itself for theLore is alive and well and going places.
And yeah, I mean we'll see. I am curious for people who
their favorite doctor is. There's alsoyou know, there is another doctor that
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we never even talked about there I'mnot going to talk about now, but
just to put it out there topeople, there was a separate movie that
was made there was called Doctor Who. And it's the only time where the
doctor refers to himself as doctor Who. Okay throughout it, Yeah, that's
not his name in any other partof the series, like doesn't even refers
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to it, but but he actuallycalls himself, Oh yeah, my name's
doctor Who. Yeah, he introduceshim stuff and things. But Christmas especially,
I think I don't remember. Butbut you also noticed and when when
Doctor Who became big in America,like the tonal shift in the episodes like
from you know, slow burned kindof intellectual stuff to all all explosions and
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rushing through all this things that thatreally happened as well. But did you
guys also see like the spin offslike torch Wood and to Complete Good Yeah,
yeah, there's one got a littleweird but oh yeah, you know,
before she passed away and stuff.But I mean, like, yeah,
those are all good shows. Actually, one of the torch Way the
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actors was upset that they didn't mentionhim in a in a recent Jack Arkish
right. Yeah, yeah, itwas mad that they didn't bring him up
in that in their anniversary. Butbut but that's the thing. I mean,
Doctor Who has a lot of mindthe scenes polupics, a lot of
conflict inside and outside of the show, which which makes it great. I
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also was surprised a bit how prevalentDoctor Who was in the US before actually
getting the reboot, uh, becauseit's oh yeah, it neverpeopled my generation
like the original Doctor Who was airedwhen it was here in the in the
BBC and in England. So soI I remember being raised on all the
original Doctors before America became a separatecolony. Yeah, yeah, that's how
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appreciate it. Yeah, yeah,so I was. I was around the
I was around Tom uh what's theBaker's name, Tom Baker's Yeah era,
he was my favorite doctor. Yeahbat then yeah, I think I even
Halloween when Halloween actually had the scarfand things like that, I think I
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winess him. So yeah, yeah, well that was Canine era too,
you know, Canaine was introduced andeverything. I mean that, Yeah,
that was my that was my jams. Yeah, I was gonna say go
for it. Yeah, So Istarted watching there through on the plane to
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England while I was going for ajob, because I thought that would be
the most British thing to do.Really, that was your first an adult?
Was that the first time you sawit was as an adult? Was
that? I was pretty I waspretty late on Doctor like it was already
out for two seasons, I believe, But then then we started watching it,
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and I love I loved the safetywith guards of the galaxy, like
the Aldritch space kind of things,like with the weird mystical aliens and all
that. I really love that kindof stuff. So yeah, that was
totally my jam, especially with theface like the lady with with the stressed
out face yeah focus yeah, andand the big into her face that was
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yeah yeah yeah yeah right and thenalso the face of ub or something or
what it was face yeah yeah,which is the version of yeah exactly the
character Yeah yeah. Yeah. It'sa lot of the characters you get to
know beginning to later. Yeah.No, no, if anyone hasn't watched
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that by now, they're probably notgonna figure it out later. No,
but it's it's fun and uh soyeah, same with the classic movies.
I'll try to rewatch move from atleast from where I stopped with the Peter
Capaldi and then from there. IfI'm guessing, people out there have their
favorite doctor. If you want toleave it in the comments, let us
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