Hospital Price Transparency, Port Battle, Orleans Parish Sheriff Millage Renewal

Hy and Christopher kick off with an interview with hospital activist Beth Pence. She reveals that only six Louisiana hospitals have been transparent with their pricing and cost for procedures, despite the law passed by U.S. Sen. Bill Cassidy which mandates hospitals must provide the pricing “openly and transparently”. We discuss how hard this byzantine economic burden places on so many families.

We then move to talking about our main subject, PortNOLA - more on that story below.

Our hosts also question the Orleans Parish Sheriff’s 2.46 Mills Renewal for 10 years, on the ballot May 3. The dysfunction in the Orleans Parish’s Sheriff’s Office has led to the construction of a jail complex, which the current Sheriff originally pledged not to use and has been— to put it politely— schizophrenic in the messaging of its eventual purpose.  Staff attrition stand at record rates, morale is down, and recidivism is up.

Sheriff Susan Hutson still has time to turn things around, and she still can make that on some of her progressive promises whilst balancing the law-and-order responsibilities of her office. Her election is not until this autumn, but she needs to take qualitative steps in order to be worthy of the tax dollars for which she asks the electorate.  Moreover, Hy and Christopher have long opposed elections where only one measure is on the ballot. Sheriff Hutson did not create this system, but she could’ve chosen to put this tax on the autumn ballot—when she herself was up for reelection.  Perhaps, that’s too much of a political ask, but if an elected official believes in the revenue measure, he, or she should put their own political feature on the line for it.
Bayham Beats Goliath in Container Port Battle
By Christopher Tidmore

On Wednesday, April 23, State Rep. Michael Bayham (joined by the entire Council of Saint Bernard, the Parish President, DA, and Sheriff’s representatives) dealt the Port of New Orleans a sensation which the archons of the Dock Board rarely experience before a legislative committee—the taste of defeat.

House Bill 616 would have granted the Port of New Orleans unilateral expropriation power to build a highway-level road from a new container-port which they proposed to build.  It would have run across the parish. The bill would have empowered PortNOLA to seize private property without the approval of the parish government, levy tolls (as well as exempt their own trucks & vehicles from those tolls), and contract with a private company to own the road, allowing the private firm to administer the seized property.

All of this to build a container-port which encounters majority opposition in St. Bernard Parish, to construct it on top of an historic African-American cemetery, and build in shadow of a Black community in Violet which likely would never be able to look upon the Mississippi River again.

Moreover, this container-port stands years overdue with its original budgetary cost of $1.8 billion soaring. to $3.9 billion.  Some even argue that taxpayers will likely be on the hook if it’s allowed to proceed— despite promises that private dollars will underwrite the container-port infrastructure. (Unlike in Plaquemines, PortNOLA representatives have demurred from explaining whom exactly will fund the full cost of the new container-port.)

The victory of the St Bernard Parish citizens in the LA House Transportation Committee in deferring the legislation was immediately labeled ‘a blockade to economic progress’ in the Pelican State. PortNOLA officials have ignored, however, that the Plaquemines Port container terminal project (under construction directly across the river) achieves almost all of these economic goals, would be built on undeveloped land, enjoys wide public support, and would actually fund infrastructure bridges to connect lower Plaquemines to Jefferson by rail and road, improving evacuation rou

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Battles, the politicians, the dress of digitators and magicians are
trust to see the money. Then you don't. There's nothing
to fill the holes while they are filling their pockets
bid holes. The politicians bouncing down the road. Everybody's with

(00:27):
sh for no moment. Corruption and dysfunctional is gonna take you.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Divide it a vention, hospitals, health insurance, the Port of
New Orleans, Saint Bernard Parish, the homestead exemption and property taxes.
These are all on our show today. And you are
listening to the founders. So the voice of the founding fathers,
You're founding fathers coming to you deep within the bowels

(00:55):
of those mystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big Easy,
that Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up on
top of that old liberty cypress tree draped in Spanish
moss way out on the Eagles Branch, is none other.
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high make Henry who.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Ef, Christopher Tibery Roving, reported resident Radical moderate and associate
editor of the Louisiana Weekly Newspaper at Louisiana Weekly dot net,
and Hi, we are joined by Beth Pence. She's an
activist for actually truth labeling for hospitals and playing a
key player and making sure that your medical bills reflect
what actually happened in the prices that were actually charged.

(01:38):
And this is a very deeply personal issue to me
because my father was in and out of hospitals for
the better part of a year prior to his death,
and what I was finding was there were hidden charges
all the time he was put in I'll be honest,
this was East Jefferson Hospital now the Two Lane Medical Center,
and he would be put into a room in their

(01:59):
therapy for cardiac therapy. And after he gets out of
the hospital, I get a bill that says, oh, it's
supposed to be a shared room. Well, we never asked
for a private room. He never asked for a private room.
And so there's these charges, and then when I try
to find out what actual costs were, it would be
blown out of proportion because they give you astronomical charges
for insurance companies. And this was all supposed to be

(02:21):
corrected by a piece of legislation that Louisiana's own Pulcacity pushed,
and Beth, some hospitals have done a pretty good job,
and a lot of hospitals here in Louisiana, Well, they
haven't done the greatest job, have they.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
No, they really haven't. When you look at Louisiana, only six.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Out of the thirty million hospitals in the state.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
We're viewed by the.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
Patient Right Advocates organization.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
We'll say compliant. So if you go to the website.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
And you click in the state of Louisiana and there's
an't a listing, the need says who's complaint?

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Who isn't?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
The non compliant hospitals are labeled in red, and I
will say there's not read.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I'm not sure, and Beth pens, I mean, a lot
of these hospitals though, what's the big deal?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Insurance is paying for it. It's not a big deal.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
What do you care?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And it is a big deal.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Especially for a lot of patients or their families pocketbooks.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Can you talk about that.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
It's absolutely a big deal, and it's very concerning, I
think for people of all ages.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Now I'm retired, I'm over sixty five, and I'm on Medicare.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
But I really felt the need.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
To buy a supplemental policy for hospitalization because you know,
people like yourself We're in a fixed income, so at
the end of a procedure, I get an astronomical bill.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I can't pay it now, Beth Pence.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
A lot of this is the hospitals are saying, you know, well,
this is what it costs.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It's not our problem, except it's not what it actually costs.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
One of the parts is us Senator Bocaci, where he
passed this bill himself a doctor, is because he was
putting that there was a disconnect between what the hospitals
were charging the insurance companies where they charged the general public,
and frankly, they wouldn't even publish a clear list cost
of services bill, you know, to anyone, how does that
disconnect work?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well, you know, I'm very grateful for Senator in Cassidy
for you know, putting this forward and bringing this to
top of mine. But you know, I have heard stories,
honestly from people that I know that if you offer
to pay your portion or whatever it is that you

(04:48):
have to pay to a hospital, then you get a discount.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
And I say, well, okay, but where's the discount for everyone?
You know?

Speaker 4 (04:56):
And why is it that it is?

Speaker 8 (05:00):
There is that discrepancy between pricing for insurance you know,
I think there's difference in pricing too, if you have
commercial insurance, if you have Medicare, if you have Medicaid,
and it's all.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
The same procedure and at the same hospital and.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
No consistency in any of it.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So people are dependent on a system that doesn't always
make sense. And frankly, we ask one of the questions
in America why our healthcare system is so expensive, and
the comparisons often made while socialized systems in Europe or
this or that. Part of it is because if you
go to a grocery store, you look at five items
on a you know, on a shelf, you can tell

(05:42):
the price of the five items, and you can say, well,
this one's cheaper, this one looks a little nicer, might
be a little bit more expensive, and you can make
a choice.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
You go to five hospitals.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I defy any human being alive at five individual hospitals
in Louisiana that they could clearly on any procedures they need,
compared and trast the prices. And that was what this
legislation that Sentator Bocacity passed was supposed to fix. And
in his own home state, where he is a licensed doctor,

(06:10):
we're not even complying.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
No, we're really way out of whack if you ask me. So,
you know, I'm hoping that the more that this gets
talked about, then you know, it'll put pressure on these
hospitals in these hospital systems which are being taken over,
you know, the little rural hospital or the little parish

(06:36):
hospital that we have and now it's all part of
a big conglomerate and you can't get a price out
of them.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And let's face something, Bethpence, I am not somebody. I'm
like my partner, mister mckenry, who believes in conspiracies. But
I will say there isn't a rather regular consistency that
when a small hospital is taken over by a medical conglomerate.
We have three major conglomerates, medical conglomerates in Louisiana, and
the pricing can be changed or become more opaque. It's

(07:05):
sort of the way they underwrite buying the hospitals by
by creating this byzantine pricing system which actually raises revenues,
as opposed to this smaller hospital which may have been
relatively straightforward and said well this is how much a
gallbladder operation cost or whatever what have you?

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Right, And certainly it's the big procedures, but also what
really can get to you as well is when you
get this bill back and you see that they've charged
you twenty dollars for a box of Kleenex, you.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Know what I mean? My favorite, my favorite one was
was five dollars for an aspirin that I saw in
a bill once, a not a bottle of aspirin, a
single aspirin was five dollars.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
It was like, I hope it wasn't generic.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
It I'm pretty sure it wasn't even a This wasn't
Anison Beth Pens So, I mean, the legislation was passed
by Congress Bill Cassidy. This is one of the few
truly bipartisan bills. The frustration on the left and the
right was just overwhelming with the byzantine medical system and
the way hospitals were essentially not being clear on how

(08:15):
much they were charging and charging different people. And it
was supposed to be the fixture of the system. And
as we said, you know, only six hospitals in Louisiana complied.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Most of them are out of black.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
What can we as the general public people listening to
the Founder show here here in WR and O and
w W S l A, what can they do to
try to actually make sure their hospitals are.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Complete, literally complying with the law. That's all we're asking.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
Well, well, first and foremost is to you know, let's
center your cassidy know that you know, you appreciate his efforts,
and you know, let's get behind them. And I'll tell
you what I'll do as a as a senior citizen.
If I need to go have a procedure done in

(09:00):
a hospital, or you know, I get sick and I
have to go in the hospital, I'm going to find
out before I go.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
If it's not an emergent.

Speaker 6 (09:08):
Of course, you know, I'm going to say agrol on
these people, and I'm just going to ask questions.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I think that's the easiest thing to do.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Sometimes you'd be amazed at what people will actually reveal
when you just simply say, okay, how much is everybody
else paying for this?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
How much is this?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
How much?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
What does it really?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Sometimes the hospital people will turn around and tell you,
you know, if you go down the street, I've had
this experience before, It's like, oh, really great, because I
think that's the thing that interests me. Some of these
hospital staff, the nurses, doctors, and lower level of illustrators
are as frustrated by this sort of byzantine pricing system

(09:47):
as we are, because to them this is immormal.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I guess it's the best way of putting it.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
You know that you're charging different prices different people and
taking advantage of people who can't figure out how to
gain the system well exactly.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
And you know, I believe that the majority.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Of people who choose healthcare as a vocation because that's
their passion and they.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Want to help people.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
They don't want people to feel like they can't come because.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
At the end of the visit or the.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
End of the stay, or whatever you want to call it,
they know they're going to get this gigantic bill.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
And how are they going to pay it? Indeed, well,
Beth Pence, we want to thank you for coming in. Folks.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Only twenty one percent of the Louisiana hospitals are actually
being compliant with the federal law that says you got
to clearly say how much something costs and where it comes,
and we need to get onto this. I really appreciate
it as somebody experienced this with an elderly parent, really too,
but with my father most recently, it's very close to
my heart.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Thank you for all the work you've been doing on
this well.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Thank you very much, and we appreciate you've giving us
the opportunity to educate friends.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
And family and Louisiana. Thank you much. And Hih, you're
a senior citizen who penetrated the hospital system.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Though you get to go to VA, but you got
you gotta be frustrated by all this too.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, churse for I think for many reasons, our healthcare
system is a disaster. I thank god that we've got
a man who takes us very seriously and has for
a very long time and has fought very hard on
his own dime. And I'm talking about Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Junior,
who is now the head of our you know, one
of the cabinet members dealing with health and hospitals and whatnot.

(11:30):
And you know pharmacies, pharmaceuticals, our food everything. He's Maha,
you know, the Maha movement. He's doing a great job,
an amazing job. And Trump picked a very good man there.
And I'm just looking at what they've accomplienced so far,
My goodness, I wish they'd come down here to Louisiana
and turned the doge boys, especially the guy with the
big balls. Remember, and also RFK Jr. On our hospital

(11:56):
system because we sure need a lot of help. And yes,
I've been through the whole system. At my age now
it's seventy four. Every now and then, I'm having things.
You know that I'm at the age where we're all
running to the hospital now. When I meet with my group,
my high school group every week for the conversation is
what's the latest physical disaster we're going through? And it's amazing,

(12:22):
but I think that it is in a for instance,
in my case, I've had a congestive heart failure almost
killed me, cancer almost killed me, and COVID double pneumonia
with COVID almost killed me. I've come very close to
death three times now. So it definitely immersed me into

(12:43):
the hospital system. I saw the good things they did,
I saw the bad things they did. I saw where
they were falling short. Thank god, I was able to
navigate myself through all that, and I've come out just fine.
I've had a miracle recovery from congestive heart failure. The
doctors still can't believe it. In ten months, my ejection
fraction gone from seventeen percent. And by the way, when

(13:03):
they first discovered it and told me I was given
weeks or maybe months to live without treatment, well, of
course I did whatever they told me to do. I
took the meds as soon as I could. I began
the congest cardiac rehab and I did great at cardiac rehab.
I'm still doing it. I'll do it for at least
five more years, probably because it takes that much rebuilding

(13:26):
to get back to your where you know, you optimum health.
You don't just bounce back in a few months. But
it was amazing that in ten months I'd gone from
a seventeen percent injection fraction to the max to the
ejection fraction of a young college jock. They were shocked.
I thank you, Lord, I thank God just did miracle
healings with me. Caught the cancer in time. I beat that.

(13:49):
But you know, if I'd gone, if I'd gone another
six months, I prob I probably wouldn't have survived it.
It was melanoma, and once it gets into the lymphatic system,
you're walking dead man. You maybe get another six months
to live and then it's over. Then also with you know,
double pneumonia, double ammonia, and every time it's just almost
like an accident. How they discovered it and found out.

(14:11):
It's a shame and you have to say it was
an accident, but that's that's what happened. So I'm very
blessed that I've survived all these things and also have
had my experiences. And of course because of my age,
I visit people in the hospital a lot. I'm in
the ministry folks, as y'all know, of course, that's what
doctors do. We visit people that are hurting in the
ministry and jail. I mean, I work with inner city kids.

(14:35):
I'm on the board of New Leman's Mission. I deal
with a lot of addiction issues. But I really think
that the greatest healing we can do, and I think
that's I'm partly a testimony to that, and that is naturopathy.
I'm totally convinced that Mother Nature will heal you better
than anything else out there, and that the best doctor

(14:56):
you have is your doctor. Doctor body. Your body is
is a walking medical miracle. What your body can do
to heal itself, it's stunning. The trillions of literally trillions
of operations it does in a day just to keep
you going. That's astounding. And it knows how to diagnose

(15:18):
better than any doctor or hospital could ever do research facility,
and it knows how to prescribe. And you've got the
best pharmacy in the world body pharmacy, because your body
can crank out all of the healing elements necessary to
heal you regardless of what you have. You just have
to have the right input. You've got to have the
right food. Food is your best medicine. That Hippocrates was

(15:42):
telling us that three thousand years ago, So it really
if you know how to do naturopathy, that is your
best choice, your best way to go. And I have
been a natural path since I was twelve years old
and I've been very blessed by it. My mother taught
it to me. She was very faithful with that and

(16:03):
responsible with it, and she taught us all and we
have been in fitted tremendously from my family. So I'm
one hundred percent behind naturopathy. Now, I've been a combat medic,
I've been an emt here paramedic in the city, and
I know modern medicine is great for many reasons. And
I've told people many many times. If I get in

(16:26):
a wreck, don't rush me to the hospital, to the
health food store, rush me to the emergency room. There
is a place for modern medicine. Not totally against it.
I thank God for it. But folks, it's your best
medical path is naturopathy. And if people took it seriously
and really did it, we'd be empty in our hospitals.

(16:47):
We put big farm out of business. By the way,
why do you think there's so against the health food industry?
Think about this supplement? So why are they so against it?
We fought that battle back in the eighties. I'll never
forget it, and we won. But it was a long
hard for it. They're trying to shut down health foods.
They're trying to make it against the law, you know,
lobby that the fdaight to turn, you know, make vitamins illegal,

(17:07):
all these terrible things they were doing. Finally, but we
had a lot of court but we won. We won,
and then when we won, we began to wonder, what
are these people up to now? Because we can see
how treacherous they were. And then it occurred to us,
you know what if they go out and start buying
up all the vitamin companies, health food stores and all that,
and then they can put cheap stuff in it won't
work anymore, and then it'll it'll turn the herd back

(17:29):
to them. They'll get that business. Big Farmer is one
of the most dangerous and powerful corporations in the world,
and they're one of the most powerful lobbyist groups. They're
very dangerous. Do not I do not trust them, and
I could go on and on about why I don't.
So there are a lot of problems with our health
health industry today. And also, thank you so very much,
uh for for this great thing you gave us, Miss Pence.

(17:52):
Uh very helpful, very important and uh So, Christopher, I
know we're on a time schedule, so I'm gonna go ahead.
And I know you got some exciting coming up for
our next talk. I believe you get. We're going to
be covering Saint Bernard Parish and the Port of New Orleans.
I wonder if Mike Bayham has anything for us on this, Christopher,

(18:15):
take it away.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Esson.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Kudos to Representative Michael Baham of Chalmett. He managed to
do something that people thought was previously impossible. He actually
defeated the Port of New Orleans.

Speaker 10 (18:29):
Now, if anybody's been following this incredible tale, the Port
of New Orleans wants to build a container port down
near Violet. They wanted to not only they own the land,
they can't sound from building the port. It's deeply unpopular
in Saint Bernard. What they didn't have was the power
to ex appropriate property from Saint Bernard residents to build

(18:51):
a road a basically a commercial level road to their
port facility of four lane highway. And people in Saint
Bernard haven't wanted this port container It's not that they're
anti progress. They pointed out the fact that right across
the river, the Port of South Louisiana and plaquham And
was building a container port. They want to get fifty
to fifty arrangements with the Port of New Orleans. They've

(19:12):
been saying, please partner with us. We want to build
exactly what you want to build, and we have a motivation.
It's popular there because they want to build a train
and rail bridge that connects Lower plaquam into Lower Jefferson
and it's already on the west bank, so it connects
directly into the west coast. The Port of New Orleans
hasn't wanted to do that because they would not have
exclusive control. So the people in Saint Bernard are like, Okay,

(19:33):
you want to build an industrial port here right across
the river from another industrial port. Oh and by the way,
we have no decision over this. We don't want this,
and you want to take away our land to do this,
and you want to do it without any vote of.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
The parish council.

Speaker 10 (19:47):
The people of Saint Bernard and the port was basically
if they responded to anything, was like yes. So this
all came to head in the Transportation Committee of the
House of Representatives this past Wednesday, where there was a
massive fight by members of the Port of New Orleans
and frankly, it's the only time all every single one

(20:09):
of the Saint Bernard council members, the parish president, the
district Attorney of representative, the sheriff's office all showed up
in mass along with many many residents places packed to
come out and say not in our community and not
without our vote. And you know what, I have a
lot of sympathy for this. It's not an anti things
they're pointing out. They're just literally pointing across the river,

(20:31):
what is the big deal? And it's all about political control.

Speaker 11 (20:34):
Now.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
Look, I'm an advocate of the Port of New Orleans.
We need a container port further down the river. The
one that is up near Napoleon Avenue in New Orleans
is you have to pass through a little thing called
the Mississippi River Bridge, and the big boats that are
coming to the Panama Canal are frankly too big to
pass under that bridge. We need a container port that's
closer to the mouth of the Mississippi River. All of

(20:55):
this is a fact. The question is will you work
with the public. And I've had this experience with the
Port of New Orleans before high My father in law
was part of a group of men who wanted to
build a park on the two wharfs of the Port
of New Orleans, right behind where River Garden is, right
right where the walmart.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Is on Chopatulas.

Speaker 10 (21:16):
For those that are looking for it, there's an opening
there goes into what's you know, to a highway that's
limited for the port. And if you just look beyond
that opening, you'll see a fence. And if you walk
up to the fence and you can you'll see there
are two entire wharfs of the port a massive amount
of area the size of Woldenberg Park that are just empty.
There's nothing on them. There's no containers, there's no buildings,

(21:37):
there's nothing. And they're like this about fifteen, you know,
almost pretty much after Katrina but has said we want
to build a park there, will you donate it to us? Well,
the Port of New Orleans did everything in their power
to stop, you know, to say no, and we're like, well,
what are you use it for? Probably nothing, but we
don't want to give it up. And they finally made
it a court case based on what happens below the waterline,

(22:01):
because it hsispe river has changed. Course, they're saying that
property was once owned, it was houses, there was a
street there, you know, and we'd have to find all
the residents and ex appropriate and say, well, we don't
want it to like develop apartments. We want to build
a park for the people in the River Garden and
Lower Garden District and the Garden District. And essentially the
final answer to the Port of New Orleans gave is

(22:22):
once taketh by the Port, it is port forever. And
so the people in Saint Bernard are like, wait, this
is not a fair partner. We're trying to get here.
We really need some kind of voice in this and
for once, the legislature in the House Transportation Committee agreed
and in a narrow vote, the powerful, all powerful Port
of New Orleans was voted down. And now the Port

(22:45):
of New Orleans has They may have the land, but
they're going to have a heck of a way of
getting there. And it really says that you, ladies and gentlemen,
if you make your voices heard, the legislature will do it.
But you sometimes have to go there. You have to lobby,
you have to write letters, you have to bike telephone calls,
you have to be active, and there are results that

(23:06):
happen when you are. The legislature will respond, but you
better make your voice heard. And it showed the people
of Saint Bernard fought for their community. And it's not
over at but so far, kudos to Representative Michael Baham
and the people of Saint Bernard shall met araby and
violate and all beyond because they have taken on the
eight hundred pound gorilla and they have won your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Hi well, Chris, for there's some great information. And yes,
I'm all for the container ports. We should have huge
container ports here, being one of the largest ports in
the world, some say the largest if you take the
greater New Orleans area. We have an amazing opportunity in
this city. Every year, the greatest amount of wealth in

(23:50):
the world passes us every year, going up the river
and coming down the river. And we do so little
to make the best of it. Like others cities we do,
you know, they build factories, build things to help handle
and manage all this stuff coming through. We just collect taxes, fees, whatever,
and we get something out of it. But uh, we
don't begin to handle it the way we should. And

(24:13):
so this this this idea of really bid. We have
a small container port here. Now if like it's right
near my house, I can look out out my front
door and see it. They're nine. Uh they're big, these
big giant cranes and they picked the containers up and
transferm and uh they're nine of them right here, from
from like Nashville all the way to Napoleon. And uh,

(24:36):
it's just a shame that we don't have much bigger
ones and many more, and that those two ports down
there would do it. In Saint Nordon Plackman's Paris, I
think it's a brilliant idea. It's way past its time.
They need to get it going. They need to get
their act together. They need to start coordinating and start
fighting with one another, start trying to court and how
they can all as a team do well and bring

(24:57):
prosperity to this city. I mean, I just it stuns
me the way the people are constantly cutting their noses
off to spite their faces. It's it's really pitiful. They
need to get their act together. So I hope they'll
they're listening. I hope they'll move. I hope they get
something done here. And kudos to Mike Baham for the
great job he did and and and you know his

(25:20):
contribution here as mentioned earlier. So Christopher, thank you. This
has been great information. Boy. We have quite a show here, folks,
and we will be taking a break coming up in
just a minute, and so remember just hang on there.
We'll be right back as we listen to the beautiful
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(25:40):
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TEXTS i think homestead, Exemptions, christopher what do you know about?
That AND i think you got some really good more
information for us on. That take it, Away, chris.

Speaker 10 (30:03):
You might have, noted some of you might have, found
some of you might have seen That Representative Matthew willard
Of New orleans has introduced a very popular measure into
The louisiana, legislature that is to raise the homestead exemption
to one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars from seventy
five where it is currently. Now one of the Things

(30:23):
Representative willard does is he, says you, know the last
time we raised the homestead exemption to seventy five thousand
was Under Governor Dave, train and at the, time the
average home was where forty three. Thousand it was also
Before Representative willard was. Born, HECK i was five years
old when the last time we raised the homes. Exemption
i'm fifty, One so it gives you kind of an

(30:44):
idea of how long it's. Been but the interesting part
of all of this is why this, measure which is
deeply opposed by the business community In New, orleans is
being pushed so. Much it's because What Matthew wis's original
bill that he had a couple of years ago that

(31:04):
passed the legislature was rejected by the rest of the,
state mostly through the move of government officials because they
didn't want to lose tax. Revenue and so now these
governor officials are looking at something potentially even. Worse Matthew,
willard working With errol the working with The assessor Of New,

(31:24):
Orleans Earl, williams pushed a bill that would have essentially
frozen assessments on houses only only to the rate of
inflation every five. Years so in other, words you couldn't
see a situation where homes that were eighty thousand, dollars you,
know twenty years, ago are now eight hundred thousand. Dollars
by the, way that's not a hypothetical. Number that's exactly

(31:46):
what people have experienced in The Irish channel central City,
Faubourg Marity, bywater where houses that were literally eighty thousand
are now eight. Hundred and it's been in longer less
than two. Decades and one of the problems has been
this is. Cheaf we've seen people out of your. Home
it was, like, well if you're still own your, home
what difference does it. Make the assessment is how you're
decided on. Taxes so instead of being taxed on an

(32:09):
eighty thousand dollars home that you haven't changed fundamentally in twenty,
years your tax do an eight hundred thousand dollars home
and do a little. Math the militaryate In orleans is
about one point five to. Seven, basically so on an
eight hundred thousand dollars, home you're paying about fifteen. Grand,
well let's use the homesteak exemption nine or ten. Grand,
well if your property tax bill is about ten, grand

(32:32):
then you're and you're making fifty.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Grand you don't have enough money to.

Speaker 10 (32:37):
Live so literally you could own your home, outright have no,
mortgage and have a tax. Bill he put up a
simple measure that would only rate the increase on your
homestead at the rate of. Inflation and originally he Wanted
Matthew willard Asked hi to do it for the whole,
state and they kept in a lot of the government
officials who were. Worried local government officials were worried about losing.

(32:59):
Revenue had to fight and fight. It but they couldn't,
really so they, said let's try an. Experiment let's just
do it In Orleans. Parish, well he, said, OKAY i Represent.
Orleans let's try it. There And Er, williams who's The
assessor Of New, orleans And Lawrence hardy is the Former
sessor Of, jefferson who are the only people in favor
of this on the government class because they both are,
against you, know homeowners being buried in property. Taxes said

(33:21):
we'll do it In, orleans and they went out and
they pushed. It and to the, credit not only Did
Orleans parish pass, it but all the suburban parishes overwhelmingly
sixty percent of the. Vote, Jefferson Saint, Tammany. St, Charles
Saint bernard actually went across racial and political. Lines it
was all, like this is a good first, move give
this To New orleans and the rest of the state

(33:42):
will have. It but what happened was the rest of
the state looked at the Words Orleans parish and just
instinctively voted against something that could benefit them down the.
Road and it was pushed by a lot of these
local government officials who, said don't give it To New.
Orleans and you know this a racial subtext to all of,
that and, said don't give it To New. Orleans don't
given this thing where the house you'll Benefit New orleans

(34:02):
won't benefit. You, Well Matthew willard has put down one
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars increasing the homestead, exemption
which also will cost money from a lot of these,
guys and about probably about more money than the other
bill would.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Have and here's the.

Speaker 10 (34:15):
Difference we warned on this program this would. Happen good
luck in a when a property taxes are raising all
over the, state fighting an increase in the homestead. Exemption,
FOLKS i certainly don't oppose. IT i, MEAN i Think
i'm over. TAXED i think most of you. ARE i
don't think it's the best way we deal with property.
TAXES i think we ought to have a low milage

(34:37):
rate for. Everybody but when you're rolling forward millages after the,
public after you've rolled them back without a vote of the,
public which is the most common way of increasing taxes
without a public, vote and then you're assessing houses accurately quote,
unquote except so accurately the same house that's eight hundred
thousand goes it's eighty, thousand goes to eight hundred. Thousand
it's not as extreme in other parts of the, state
but it's happening In East, Baton rouge And caddo and In,

(35:00):
calcashu especially where Like charles's with all THE lng, money
whether it's influxes of. People when all of that happens
and you're a government official looking at opposing a reasonable
change in property, taxes which is, basically, look we'll make
it so the value of the houses don't go down
for tax, purposes will just increase it at the rate of,
inflation so it's really real. Money but we'll look at

(35:22):
this and actually the original bill was double.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
The rate of.

Speaker 10 (35:24):
Inflation, well you're going to get a worse situation because
people don't believe fundamentally their home should pay property taxes
and if you're not fair with them on, that they're
going to fight. Back and we're going to see If
Matthew willard refuses. It But i'm going to BE i
would be a daring legislator to oppose an increase in
the homestead. Exemption that you'd have to be a pretty

(35:44):
freaking brave. Legislator he still may he still might do.
It the governor has not said whether he'd signed it or.
Not the business communities against. It but you, know when
this happened Under Dave, train and it was a real
serious effort and there was a bit of a tax
revolt going. On it passed rather, endlessly hurt the property
tax revenues of almost Every proudish in the. State but

(36:04):
when you have no other, options people will go back
to the homestead. Exemption and guess, what it's local government
who killed the other measure that will pay the. Price
and you know, what we, hear those of us that own,
homes we're already paying through the.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Nose SO i don't really mind that all that. Much
hi are your, thoughts.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, Christopher my mind is absolutely pregnant with thoughts on this.
Matter we've been fighting this for so. Long property, TAXES
i personally think there should be against the law once
you own. SOMETHING i don't think you should have to
keep paying to live, there especially the amount of taxes

(36:45):
they put on LEST i, mean if there's a really small,
tax no big. Deal but that's not what it. Is
they're taking our homes away from us through, taxation and it's.
Wicked it's just downright, wicked and it needs to. Change
and it's just a shame. That but the state didn't
see the genius of testing it On New orleans and
then the rest of the state could have been benefited by.
It you, know this was just a test case to

(37:07):
see if it would really. Work and you mentioned the racial.
THING i don't know that that's, Racial. CHRISTOPHER i think
it's just that so much of the rest of the
state is, rural and you, know they look At New
orleans as the big city, place the big city boys
who are always taking advantage of, everybody which isn't necessarily,

(37:30):
true but they think that it's just a it's been
In america for over two hundred and fifty years, now
that concept that the city folks take advantage of the country.
Folks AND i think that has a whole lot more
to do with. IT i don't think there's anything to
do with, race AND i think we should try to
avoid that as much as possible on this, show because
there's so much racial division that has been stoked by

(37:51):
The Democrat party now that has caused so much tragedy
and it's unnecessary and it's not true and we need
to get over. That SO i don't think this is
a head racial overtones at. ALL i know you mentioned.
THAT i don't agree with you on, that but, Anyway, so,
yeah you got some great points, There, christopher and we
really need to deal with this. ANYWAY i know you've

(38:12):
got some more really good stuff for, us like more
about The Orleans Parish sheriff and our property taxes, here
what else more can we get about property. Taxes take it, Away.

Speaker 10 (38:25):
Christopher, Well, hi we're about to have a very pointless
election coming up and next. Week for those who haven't
been paying, attention there is actually an election going on
in various parishes in the. State In, jefferson at, least
there's A West bank council seat that will go up for.
Decision Andrea, manuel The, democrat is facing Against Tim, kerner

(38:47):
who is the current mayor Of Jean, lafitte running for
A West bank council, seat and it's somewhat. Competitive it's
mostly A republican. Seat kerner's the overwhelming, favorite but it's
in transition on The West. Bank, however In, orleans you
may have been driving around seeing signs that say no new.
Tax the sheriff's office is trying to renew a property tax.

(39:12):
Village it's not actually a new. Tax, however the current,
Sheriff Susan, huntman is not terribly. Popular as you, note
there are people running against her already for, sheriff and
part of the reason is the way she's handled her
office was subject of a scandal shortly after her, election
Having Orleans parish sheriff's officers get you, know three hundred

(39:34):
and four hundred and seven hundred dollars a night hotels
downtown when they lived In New. Orleans but one of
the main issues has been the. Construction if you've looked,
around there's been construction on jail that originally was to
build a new jail wing for mentally ill, inmates you,
know with those with substance, abuse so and so. Forth
this is part of a federal court. Consentiory it was

(39:57):
something the city was required to, do and she had
been kind of an opponent of being building more jail.
Space it wasn't so much of a mental illness of
building another, jail and so she fought it and she
lost because the money had already been committed and as
part of a federal. Law and the fact is we
needed more jail. Space our jail In Orleans parish was pretty.

(40:20):
Full now you could argue we were holding criminals from other.
Parishes there are legitimate, arguments but basically boils down To
Susan hutman was elected on a progressive thing against, criminals
and the kind of political winds. Changed, well now we're
building a jail that she says she'll never. Use it's

(40:41):
a little bit more complicated than. That So i'm not saying,
that but she's been very skeptical about the added jail space,
continuously even as the rest of the country has sort
of gone on a crime in punishment or a tough
on crime. Position so she's asking for this millage that
pays for the building of the jail basically operates her
office in, general to. Renew and so a lot of
people are, saying with the only thing on the, ballot

(41:03):
let's defeat the. Ballot, now let's defeat this. Millage the
conventional wisdom has always been In louisiana politics that if
you have a millage on the ballot and there's nothing
else in, there that's the best chance for a tax to.
WIN a, millage for those that don't, know is a,
simple fancy term for a property. Tax except with these
signs all over the city Of New orleans and the
thing that people are raging at The sheriff's office and

(41:24):
the tax revolt we just talked about with the homestead,
exemption guess what's. Happening people are saying, no, now the
question is whether that will last to election. Day But
i'm very curious if this realm because there's something else going.
On people are sick and tired of elections every two.
Minutes there's no reason why we should have had this election.
Cycle we could have filled the council seat In jefferson

(41:48):
at the next major election cycle and we could have
had this millage on the ballot when guess what the
mayor and the sheriff are on the ballot in the.
Fall but, no.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
This is A.

Speaker 10 (41:57):
Louisiana we have to have an election in every five,
minutes so we our election day is Jazz, fest the
second week in of Jazz. Fest this has got to
be one of the stupidest things we've ever.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Done.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Folks it's par for the course In louisiana. Politics your
thoughts high.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Well, Again Christopher verwell, said very. Interesting our time is running,
out So i'm not allowed many thoughts here right. Now,
well that's. OKAY i did have this thought. Though you,
know if you think about, it when you're dealing with
putting things that are for or against the pros and
the cons and all, that there is always opposition between
the pro and the con, Right that's what that means

(42:34):
is opposing, views the pros and the. Cons and so you,
know if you if you want to take that a little.
Further let's. Think let's think about. This let's say. Pro
we'll say pro will represent progress and con will Represent.
Congress so does progress is progress in opposition To? Congress

(42:56):
or Is congress in opposition to? Progress? HMMM i don't.
Know it's a will play on words, here. Folks but,
anyway and time does not allow me to go, On
so it's time for us to have another. Break we'll
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by a patriotic. Moment we just take a brief moment
to remind you of the history of our country and
How god has always played a prominent role right in
the middle of our. Country you, KNOW i think we
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who would want to do, That and we can look

(45:28):
back and see truly what a great nation that has
been in the past throughout our. HISTORY i don't have
time to tell, you but the nations of the world
stood in line in awe and so many of their
people wanting to come. Here as in case you haven't,
Noticed god blessed this country more than we could hardly ever.
Imagine and the reason we were once great is Was
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story From World War. Two we were bombed In Pearl,
harbor as y'all probably, remember and it was a devastating.
Thing they think most of the ships in that, port you,
know the big battleship and. All it was a, major
major disaster For. America and When general When Admiral nimitz
came to assess what had, happened he was stunned by

(46:10):
what he, saw not just a, destruction but with The japanese,
missed you, know sitting up on the hill From Pearl,
harbor where our giant fuel tanks, untouched across the docking
area for the battleships and all that on the other
side of the, bay or our dry, docks where you
could repair everything. Untouched if The japanese all they had

(46:33):
to do is and that was those were easy to.
Sink the dry docks that with just one plane probably
are a couple of planes could have taken them. Out
and they, had you, know they had their entire aircraft,
carrier planes dropping. Bombs they even had a little submarines shooting
torpedoes into the coast. THERE i, mean it's. Amazing there's
a major attack and one plane strafing it with uh you,

(46:55):
know heated rounds to the. Air the fuel tanks have
blown them. Up and he, said this is. Amazing he,
says they've given us a. Chance he said that if
they had got a few, tanks and then he would
have set back our war effort maybe a, year giving
The japanese all the time they needed to really finish

(47:16):
taking the rest or most of the rest Of, asia
because that's what they were. Going they already, had like
it seems like a half Of asian and all The
South pacific and. Everything it was amazing what they had already,
taken and so they were getting ready to take The.
Philippines they got, it, folks this was an amazing. Miracle
Admiral limits saw that he believed was a, miracle and

(47:36):
he Gave god the. Glory he, Said god has Saved.
America we have a fighting chance now to stop The.
Japanese god has Saved, america. Folks god has Saved america
many times in the. Past. YEAH i think he just
recently saved us because we had an administration that was
totally out of. Control you, know the price of eggs

(47:57):
had gone through the, ceiling and they were Blaming trump
for remember. THAT i Don't i'm not trying to get
too politically, here but it Was biden who Killed they
have the chickens which reads the price is going, up
and now the price of eggs has plummeted in just
a few, weeks you, know a couple of months Of
trump's been in. Office this is an amazing. Story god
is Saving america. AGAIN i really believe. It eggs are

(48:17):
just an, example but there are many other things happening.
There i'm stunned over What i'm seeing and very excited
and very hopeful for this. COUNTRY i Think god's given
us another chance of fighting. Chance but you know what
you want to, know, Folks the greatest fighting chance we
have about anything is going to. Heaven and if you're
not going to, heaven you quit. Fighting you gave. Up
and what are you fighting for to go To. Heaven

(48:39):
you're fighting to Trust. Jesus now let me tell you.
Something it is time for us to go in our,
chapel a, boy our gospel. Moment WHEN i stay, FIGHTING
i mean you. Are you're moving in that. Direction you're
open To. God you have decided you can't save. Yourself
you're hopeless and helps Without, god destined to a burning.
HELL i have no hope Without. God and you can

(49:02):
see that well when you come to that point in your.
Life you have just, repented And jesus kept saying repent and,
believe repent and. Believe what he meant by that was
believe you can't save, yourself because that's exactly what repentance.
Means it means change your. Mind in this particular, context
it means changed your mind that you're never going to
be holy, enough righteous, enough religious, enough rich, enough charming,

(49:24):
enough great, enough athletic, enough whatever you think your thing,
is that's never going to Please god, ever because we're
just not. Perfect we have to be perfect to Please,
god and we're. Not there was only one perfect being
that was one hundred Percent god and one hundred percent
of human and that was The Lord Jesus. Christ he
was good enough to Please god and to Satisfy god's.

(49:44):
Judgment and he did that when he died on the.
Cross for all of our, sins all your, sins from
the day you're born to the day you, die your
tinies to your great, sins all went On. Jesus and
after he died for all of our sins and all your,
sins he, then after he was, buried rose from the
dead to win for all of us that precious free
gift of, resurrection ever lasting. Life and you, know we
celebrated that Last, sunday remembering his. Resurrection the victory is

(50:08):
in the, resurrection because that's where he proves that he
really can save us from. Death by his death on the,
cross he paid for our, sins all of. Them his
blood washed him all the. Way and when he rose
from the, dead he defeated death and one for each
and every one of us his precious free gift of,
resurrection everlasting. Last so you will never see the second.

(50:31):
Death The bible calls burning in hell forever the second. Death,
folks don't go. There fight your way away from. It
fight To, jesus win the good fight by believing that
he died for all your, sins was bury to roastman.
Dead and you better do it now because you may
not get. Tomorrow The bible says now today is a
day of, salvation AND, i like the old country preacher,

(50:52):
said don't wait until it's too. Late, well, folks it
is time for us now also to go into our.
Chaplain bye, bah watchmen on the, Wall we just take
a brief moment to remind you of the things happening
in our world today that are for, omens that are
harbingers of things right on the. Horizon And i'm talking
About jesus coming. Back he said he was coming. BACK

(51:13):
i know he's coming, back AND i think he's coming back.
Soon he gave we have over two hundred. Prophecies jeeves
himself laid out about thirty some prophecies at the all
of the discourse before he went to the cross to
warn us and tell us to get ready because he's coming.
Back he's coming back with his. Kingdom and one of
all the different, signs one of them is earthquakes and.
Volcanoes they go hand and, hand, folks use, you when

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you have an, earthquake you also have a volcano going
off in that fault. Line so do you know that
volcanoes and earthquakes have exponentially skyrocketed over the past hundred.
Years one hundred years ago you might have had a
few a. Year today you're having thousands now every. YEAR
i think that's a, sign. FOLKS i think there's never

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been a time in the world we know from the
geological record that we had this many. Earthquakes that was
one of the Signs jesus gave. Us it's, here, folks
and you better get. Ready you need a, bunker you
need a safe house to prepare for the apocalypse that
is coming upon it Before jesus. Comes this world is

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going to go through the worst disasters other than The
flood Of noah that it's ever, seen where probably ninety
five percent of the entire world's population is going to
die through as a four horsemen of apocalypse circle this,
world bringing all the death and mayhem and ours that
they're going to bring during the last seven. Years it's
called the tribulation period in The, bible, folks it's when

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The antichrist. Rise he's going to try to kill, everybody
just LIKE i hate to say, it just like Good
democrats who are trying to depopulate the world right now
through all of their nefarious. Means not just, them, there
the international, crowd the one, worlds that. Group, folks it's
time to get, ready and if you've never gotten ready,
before you better do it. NOW i get safe. House
the name of that safe house Is Lord Jesus. Christ

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he guarantees you. Protection trust in him right. Now if
you've never done it, before, well there's time for us to.
Close as we close to the, Mind Saint martin singing
A creole, goodbye And god bless you all out. There
we call you cel.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Goodbye they think we're just wasted the time med all three.
Savy there's time for A creo.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Goodbye