Washington Insider Curtis Robinson Talks Budget, DC Politics

Curtis Robinson joins Hy and Christopher to talk about the chances to pass the current budget in Congress and the state of politics in Washington DC.  He also mentions a little bit about Hunter S Thompson and Gonzofest 11 while he is at it.

Robinson is a veteran newspaper, editor, Washington-based columnist, and member of the National Press Club. He ranks as the consummate Washington insider, and based on what he has heard, he thinks Trump will succeed in passing the budget, and he explains the reasons why. We also find out about the real impact of DOGE, and how it could impact the space industry in Louisiana.

Robinson and also cohosts Hunter Gatherers: The Podcast of Hunter S. Thompson stories and we speak about what the great journalist would’ve thought about the current political situation and how he would’ve agreed that Emoluments is not a face cream.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution reads, “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” The “Emoluments Clause” likely includes luxury airplanes.

We also chat about whether ending Michoud’s Artemis be justified by Elon Musk’s pursuit of Mars.

Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry tweeted an impassioned letter to U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson to save Boeing‘s Artemis rocket program in the coming budget. The future lunar expedition launchers are assembled at New Orleans’ Michoud Space Center, and the rocket construction facility employs hundreds of high-paying, high-tech jobs in Louisiana.

The Artemis Project was dealt a blow when its Starliner return vehicle malfunctioned in 2024. Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams were supposed to be in orbit for eight days but the American astronauts remained on the International Space station for nine months until one of Elon Musk’s Space X Dragon capsules returned them to Earth.

The disaster led Musk to boast that his rockets were superior to the traditional NASA government contractor, yet Space X’s prototype Starship’s last two flights ended with explosions. That’s the vehicle he proposes to use to begin the process of taking Americans to Mars, instead of back to the Moon, Boeing’s priority.

Congress and the NASA administrator nominee Jared Isaacman seem to agree, speeding up the timeline for astronauts to reach the red planet – potentially at the expense of New Orleans’ Michoud facility. Their sudden switch follows the release of the White House’s 2026 budget proposal, which would increase funding for Mars-related projects by $1 billion and pay for the launches. It also signals the Trump’s administration’s intentions to prioritize sending people to Mars.

“We are evaluating every opportunity, including launch windows in 2026 and 2028, to test technologies that will land humans on Mars,” said NASA spokesperson Bethany Stevens. The White House first hinted at the possibility last month in a press release after a meeting between Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and President Donald Trump. It indicated the U.S. and Italy would partner on a Mars mission as soon as next year.

A Mars mission might be a boon for Musk’s SpaceX, a top contender to provide the rocket. While other companies have rockets that could reach Mars, only SpaceX has announced plans to land one on the planet in 2026.

Moreover, Trump, in his inauguration speech, promised to land the first astronaut on the planet; Musk, standing behind him, gave a thumbs up. Isaacman also subsequently told Congress that he would “prioritize” such a mission in testimony ahead of his nomination hearing.

Despite Musk pushing Trump to prioritize Mars over a moon landing, a Mars focus could lead to a clash with lawmakers, who have legally mandated that NASA pursue a long-term human presence on or near the moon. Congress may buck Trump and refuse to approve the funding in his budget request, especially if lawmakers worry the effort will delay lunar plans. That is the essence of what Landry has suggested to the Louisiana-born speaker in his defense of the Boeing project.

Landry wrote to Johnson: “I am writing to express my strong support for NASA's Artemis program and to urge you to lead Congress in ensuring its continued funding and success. Initiated under President Donald Trump. The Artemis program rightly refocused NASA on returning American astronauts to the Moon and establishing permanent U.S. leadership in space. This mission is a critical steppingstone toward building the interplanetary infrastructure necessary to reach Mars and beyond…Artemis Il, with its core stages built

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Battles, the politicians, the dressed, the digitators and magicians.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Who's to see the money?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Then you don't, there's nothing to fill the holes while
then are filling their pockets bid holes, the politicians bouncing
down the road. Every body'sition for no moment, corruption and dysfunction.
It's gone a date. Divide this avention.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
If you here in Louisiana, all the way from Washington,
d C. Talking about what's really going on the hill
behind the scenes, and how this is all affecting Louisiana,
this and other issues, and this edition of the Founder's.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Show, and God bless all out there. You are now
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You're Founding Fathers coming to you deep within the bowels
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Gary Bobby all the Republic Chaplain Hi mce henry with.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Christopher Tidmury, You Roving, a reporter, resident Radical Moderate, and
associate editor of the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana Weekly
dot net. And so we've been talking about everything last
week in Gonzo Fest the previous week, what's happening in
the legislature.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Obviously legulation going on, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
We've been kind of ignoring the fact that there's a
rather big bill in Congress. There's rather big things that
are happening in DC, rather big immigration things. And so
we started chucking a national attention with one of the
most qualified people we could possibly bring here, Curtis Robinson
got he puts up for those that don't know, I
do a podcast with him from Washington, d C. On

(01:45):
Hunter S. Thompson called Hundred Gatherers. And he's in town
for the eleventh Gonzo Fest, which will be if you're
listening to this at the Garden District Bookshop, particularly all
day Sunday. It's going on as we speak for our
WR and O listeners on Sunday from eight to ten pm,
not eight to ten am, eight to ten pm tonight,
So you can literally go and come straight to twenty

(02:07):
seven twenty seven Pritennia and.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
If you just can't stand and you've got to get more,
these events are going to spill over and designated places
of refreshment until four o'clock in the morning, so folks,
you can just really have a blast at this thing.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
But we're gonna talk a little bit about ONZFS. But
joining us here in studio at the historic Opera Guild
House here in New Orleans is our own Curtis Robinson.
And Curtis, thank you for coming onto the program, thank
you for coming down from DC. And you've been watching
sort of the Inside Politics right off cop Capitol Hill,
and I got to ask you just from a global standpoint,

(02:40):
you are for those who have heard the show before.
You know, Curtis is one of the consummates in Washington Insiders,
but it was also editor Hunter Thompson. He has the
perfect insuscient balance of cynicism and humor to look at
Washington politics. But you've been watching this in the we've
completed one hundred days of Trump and you're looking at
the Washington Press Corps. You're a member of the National

(03:01):
Press Club. You hang out with these guys, and I'm
sure where are journalists one hundred days into the second
Trump administration.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
Well, first I should tell everyone that these guys did
that introduction with no notes, live right into the mic
and flawlessly. So I'm a little bit stunned. Uh where
the journalists. The journalists are drinking from the fire hydrant.
They you know, where do you where do you jump in?
You know, I want to write about the first hundred

(03:30):
days and you start to review them and you're like, wow, Wow,
this guy, this guy really you know, Trump, Trump came,
Trump came out swinging and he's never let up. And
it's like, you know, what, what what was everyone on
fire about last week? And has anyone been to Panama?
What happened with Panamala? Is Panama?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Is it still there?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Back two hundred days into hundred days? Folks?

Speaker 6 (03:56):
Minimal, minimal, I mean it, And I think I think
that's the that's the ticket.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And one of the things I find phenomenal is that
is his energy.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
I mean, he just goes and he's the energizer controversy bunny,
and he goes and he goes.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
And he goes.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
And just when you think you've heard it all, someone's
going to even give about four hundred million dollar airplane
all right?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean, because I was writing about that this week,
and I got to tell you, I'm curious. You know,
I started a column in Hia's going to go this?
I said, emulliance is not a skin cream. You know
what I was talking about is but the thing that
got me and I was curious. It's just that any
other president there would have been one hundred different back
and forth about this. But the interesting part is the

(04:40):
position of the Emir of Cutter Qutar, if you prefer,
is the exact same position as the two students that
were expelled, one of whom was brought to Oakdale, Louisiana
from Columbia University on the Israeli position in Gaza. And
I was carrious, I says, okay, so you can say that,
but it's okay if you're in a mirror of a

(05:03):
petrostate and be able to give a plane. So I
don't know, I just I will say that one of
the things there's so much that's going out on Trump,
it's that the press doesn't really know. It's it's this
chance of Sciro try a way of coverage.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's this or this.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's all over the place every day, and you know,
you have to almost feel for a couple of these reporters.
You're like, well, what do you cover today, how do
you how do you keep the consistency of it?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Well, we've never we've never seen this sort of volume
of activity and energy from from a president.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you know, one of the things if you're trying.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
To look for themes, one of the themes I think
is people who maybe it's a bit of fatigue, but
people who maybe they support what he's doing, don't always
support the way he's going about doing it. I think
dose is a good example of that. Even people who
think the government needs to be trimmed way back are
not entirely happy with the way they do it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
They pull it. A lot of my friends point to
the way Clinton did it, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
The these scalpel rather than the sledge had they they
say that, I wouldn't say it's it's kept but but but.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know, chainsaw, chainsaw, chainsaw comes to mind.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
And you know, at the end of the day, I
think you I'm never I'm never convinced that's that's a
legitimate argument. I mean, you're you're you're starting to talk
more about tactics and strategy. But you know, I think
Trump uh learned a lot from his first term. And
one of the things they learned is he surrounded himself
with his own people, and I think that that's one

(06:36):
of the reasons that they're just raising so much.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Hell well, I'll keep talking about the first one hundred
days of Trump and the budget. But one thing that's
interesting is I always was taught personnel as policy. In
other words, you have to have personnel who agree totally
sold out to your vision or your policy will never
learn right. And that is the major difference. You may say, well,
the guard whils are down all this, but there's nobody
around Trump who doesn't agree with the same priorities. I

(07:00):
think there's some some negative sides of that, because I'm
not sure he's got everybody who can actually pull off
some of the policies. This is particularly true on the
on the trade. But I give him credit. He's he's
following through what he says.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
He's going to do, right.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I mean, if you here's the irony about Trump. There's
nothing that he has done in the first hundred days,
even things that I think you know, like the China
deal where he turned around and returned us to the
to the tariff that existed under Shoe Biden. But there's
nothing that he has done honestly that he didn't tell

(07:33):
you he was done beforehand. It's not like he changed
his policy. No, I mean he's this is the he
He did exactly what he said. It just nobody believed
he would actually pull off after the stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
China thing is a truth. It's not over with with
China yet. What I like too about Trump is he
does pick people who have different opposing views and then
he turns them loose and watches him slug it out
and then tries to figure out what really is the best.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
And that is something like that.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I want to bring up a doge thing, but that's
something you and I have discussed, Curtius. That Trump is
thought of as this big tariff guy. And there's no
doubt he's put the baseline tariff on everybody, including our
closest allies, at ten percent when it was about.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Five percent before. But he is never everyone of the idea.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Is that he was Peter Navarro, his advisor, that wants
to fund the government through tariffs.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
He really isn't. He doesn't really.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
The funny thing is, I don't think the strategy has
worked very well because you don't treat Japan, who he
cut a deal with in the first term the same
way that you treat China, or I mean, you gotta
give you gotta give credit to a guy who managed
to put Japan, South Korea and China on the same
page at the same time. That that takes true anti
political skill. But the fact of the matter is he's

(08:41):
not this uber protectionist either. And a lot of the
Washington press corps kind of looked at this and said,
he's raising the terrorists guns. It was a tactic, and
somehow that didn't even I saw that you and our
mutual friend Jared and us have talked about this, that
this that even if you don't think Trump is very
good at trade, this was always a negotiating tactic and

(09:02):
that was pretty obvious.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Kur of say something well.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
As a tactic, though, one of the things that did
is it froze so many people in place that you know,
a lot of the people you talk to, a lot
of the people who are running associations or government affairs
for corporation in DC. I mean, there's a certain deer
in the headlights kind of look that that you get
because it's like, well, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
And and it doesn't if if that.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Sort of deer in the headlights look continues, then that's
going to start to have a toll because that that
sort of slows your planning, slows your motion and other things.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So I think when we have a friend that has
a national let's just call it a restaurant concern, that
has to bring in certain types of food stuffs and
they have to plan that, and so you know, it's
kind of frozen.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
It's hard.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
It's like how much warehouse space do I get and
bring in it? I myself, I've stocked up on ones.
But you know, it's also been sort of education. You know,
there was a press release that India had reduced its
its tax on it. I'm from Kentucky, so of course
the tax on bourbon and spirits from one hundred and

(10:12):
fifty percent to one hundred. I'm like, wait what we're
first wow, and secondly we're celebrating there's only one hundred percent. Wow,
And I you know, I guess we celebrate that, but
but it's still one hundred percent too much.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
And by the way, when you're negotiating, what are you doing?
You're going back and forth, you change in positions. That's
the spirit of a negotiation. You can't avoid that, you know,
just coming with some flat thing and that's it. You're
ready to move into different positions. The media is calling
him a flip flopper for that, but I noticed they
never called any of their people flip flopping when they

(10:48):
were negotiating. It's the nature of the game. He's not
flip flopping. Well, he's dealing and he's an expert at it.
And if you have any questions, read his book.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
The Art of the Deal.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Well, and I've read then, when I have read when
it When he had that great loss and he was
bankrupt and it's gonna be a poverty stricken man for
the rest of his life. He pulled himself out of
that bayon Zidalas and came back and it was so amazing.
Wall Street started calling him a comeback kid. Then he
wrote a book, a Comeback Kid, and it has a
whole lot to do with how you negotiate things. The

(11:18):
guys a master negotiator, that's just jam.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I would point out that he's a master tactician, not strategists.
And let me explain the difference. The fastest trade deal
we have ever negotiated ever in the United States is
with Singapore, and that took eighteen months, and everybody was
in agreement at the very beginning of all the terms,
so there was no negotiation. It just took eighteen months
to get the paperwork through on both sides. So Trump

(11:43):
is trying to do these trade deals in ninety days.
And one of the problems is, first, the one thing
Doge We'll gets back to Doge has done is gutted
the entire mid level of the government departments. This is State,
Commerce and all this that actually negotiate these deals because
these are at will experts that have been put as
The second part is he's doing all this that there

(12:05):
isn't a timetable. If he turned around and said, look,
we're he keeps saying for the people that comes in,
we're spending it ninety days, that's a pointless state. If
you said to me, we're suspending it for eighteen months
to two years while we negotiate a deal, that's a
more realistic statement. Otherwise, that's why he went back to
the same levels of tariffs that existed under the Biden administration.

(12:26):
The pause was basically, you know, well, we're just going
to go back to what we were a couple months ago,
why not say the opposite, which is, hey, if we
don't do something, we will raise tariffs to this level.
You better get serious about negotiating with us. I mean,
it's kind of a it's a tactical thing that does
freeze the markets.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah. Well, remember, he's a bluffer, and I think that
has a lot to do with what we're hearing him say.
He's a great, a genius bluffer. And by the way,
the man who's considered to be the greatest military combat
commander of the entire world between the states, both sides,
the top generals all agreed on this. This man was
the best. He was the greatest, and he was a

(13:08):
master bluffer. He won a lot of his battles just
by bluffing his way through. That was Nathan Beverer for
US SO, and and there are.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Many things we could say about Nathan Betford's but I.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Know we don't time right now. I have lots of thoughts. Yea, wait, wait, Chris,
for you have to explain something now. You said the
difference between tactics and strategy. There this is a different military.
Tactics means battlefield operations. Strategy means the whole theater of war,
the big the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
And so what I think, what I'm telling you is
exactly that that as a tactician, Trump seems to be
this is what we do with this thing. But the
overall strategy, you can win the battles and lose the war.
And that's the part that strategies were yes right, And
that's where I'm really curious. And I'm going to give
you an example of Dog's impact here in Louisiana. And
we come back, but we're joined by Curtis Robinson in

(13:56):
from DC, member of the National Press Club, former editor
of the Aspen Daily News, internationally known journalist, affiliate and
editor and best friend of Hunter S. Thompson, who's here
speaking at the eleventh Gonzo Fest of the.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Himself a master at Gonzo journalism. Look that up, folks.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
But we're going to talk about the first one hundred days,
particularly the budget bill that just went through, what's happening
in DC, the perspective from Washington on Louisiana, because after all,
it's Louisiana that's helping frame the perspective in Washington. With
Mike Johnson, Steve Scalie and others. You were just with
Steve Scalise this last week Curtis, we'll talk about that
and that more with him, mcch Henry, Christopher tinmore on
the Funday show. Right for this State, Jane.

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Speaker 3 (17:14):
Christopher Tidmore and we are joined by Curtis Robinson for
those that don't know and haven't heard the show before.
Curtis Robinson, of course, is a member of the National
Press Club. He is the former editor in the Aspen
Daily News in about half a dozen other newspapers. He
is an internationally known political columnist, journalist, and of course,
and one of the closest intiments of one Hunter S. Thompson.

(17:36):
He was his editor in the last few books. He
was one of his best friends and he's in town
for the eleventh Gonzo Fest. We got to do a
plug since this is Sunday morning for Gonzo Fest. The people,
most of people listen this. Obviously we can't go through
what was our tour that we did on Saturday. But
we're doing this, but will have people coming out on
Sunday for Gonzo Fest.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well hopefully they're not going because of something that happened
on our tour that I hope it goes as well.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
But of course that tour was the last time you
were with Hunter Thompson.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
Some some of the some of the places are you
know and in truth, most of the time I was
with a Hunter here last the last time was we
spent you know, in his room or or moving him around.
We went to a uh, one of the best Mexican
hills I've ever had in my life. But I understand
that that that restaurant has has been It's still it's

(18:26):
you know, New Orleans. This this city moves right along.
Sometimes you go there and places that were you're nostalgic
for have have you know, gone the way to go
or gone away. So you know there there is that
in the in the history of it. And I would
also uh reiterate that while you know I have been

(18:50):
an editor, I wouldn't go as far as to say
anyone particularly edited Hunter Thompson. Maybe some of the Rolling
Stone guys, but mostly we just grabbed on and held on.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
For dear life. I mostly worked on.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
I was I was almost a specialist at one point
for the helping him with the subheads. Hunter loved the
subheads because that was a de facto outlined so so
you know, he would, uh and since I was a
daily newspaper guy, we would we would write them like
headlines and just bounce them back and forth.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
And there were you know, there's a few things more
fun than that.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Well, if you want to find out more about Hunter Thompson,
if you're a hundred Tomson enthusiasts, come to twenty seven
to twenty seven Pertenny at the Historic Rink shopping Center
all day on Sunday from eight am to ten pm
ten pm at night.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
We'll have panels and all this. And yours truly has
actually got the job of the children, the children of Gonzo.
The women have gone, the daughters, daughters of Gunzo, daughters.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
You wish it was children yeah, daughters of Gonzo.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I'm gonna be moderating that panel.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
And again seven minutes they were under on you being
told to shut up.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
I think that's gonna happen. I think that's a that's
a guarantee.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Things folks speaking about that time and and about us
older folks here I have. I had an interesting experience
with Boudo and Thibodeaux.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Oh god.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
They were all in the same class with all their
other buddies, about thirty of them, and they decided they
would have a great and I think Hunter was there,
they would have a great celebration for their forty fortieth year,
and they picked uh, Lulu Bruce. They picked Lulu Bruce
Arts in but Tis because Maychad they had to hot

(20:23):
his cheeks. There, big books and women with little mini
skirts and the food was good, so that's where they went.
Ten years later, for their fiftieth, they picked Lulu Bruce
Arts again in Bhuti because it was good parking, the
food was good, and they liked the lady folk. For
their sixtieth they picked Lulu Bruce Arts in Butti again

(20:45):
and this time because they had ramps. The parking was
good and they liked the ambience of the restaurant. When
they're seventy years old, they picked Lulu brus Arts again
because they had it was wheelchair accessible. Uh, the food
was good and they love the ambience. You know, they've
forgotten about the women by this time, seven years old.

(21:07):
When they're eighty years old, guess what they all picked
Little brus Herds again.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You know why, great place for the wake.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
This is why they'd never been there before. That dismissed
days are coming.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Those days are coming, that disminister telling the Cajun joke.
All right, we got to turn back to Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And of course there's no way Washington's can follow that.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I just say, well, we got we got.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
We got two Louisianians, neither of them Cajun boys, but
all good Louisiana boys. You were with Steve Scalise not
too too long ago.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I was not, you say that was said.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
I happen to see Steve Scalise, Congressman Scales uh in
d C.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
It was.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
It was good. It was good to see Mountain about it.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
You know, it's good to see all those guys out
and about because you, I mean, see them so much
on TV. That it's good to remind yourself that they
they do enjoy a decent steak every now then.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, and it's you are at you are one of
your favorite stake places. And it's kind of it you
want to give a free plug for your favorite stake weest.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
My favorite steakhouse is the Prime Rib. But this I
think I saw congress Men Scalise at the Capitol Grille,
which is very very nice as well.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
This has been the middle of this back and forth
over the budget. This is the big test of none
of the Congress and Steve Scalise and Speaker Mike Johnson,
but the Trump administration. And one of the interesting things
is that this bill has been has been presented to
the floor to the House Ways and Means Committee that's
a tax writing committee, and the ad Committe and all
this with four Republican members of Congress, the basically the

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New York Republicans, the Greater New York City Republicans, Long
Islands Dot No, and so all four committing to vote
against it. Because the state and local tax often called
the salt tax the cap on, it has not been eliminated.
Mike Johnson and Steve Scalice agreed to raise it to
thirty thousand from ten thousand for married couples, but they're
pledging to break it down. And you've been sort of

(23:05):
watching this back and forth, and it's now a game
of brinksmanship because they could bring this to the floor.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
We've got other problems.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
A lot of the conservatives in the Senate, Barasso and
others have said Ron Johnson particularly, there's too much medicaid
spending on it. But this whole area is with Mike Johnson.
Is one of those situations where he's bringing to the
floor not knowing he has the votes. But you had
a different read than other people did on this, well,
I do.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
And it changes.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
For one thing, I think that in years past, we
would have been paying a lot more of attention, the
country would have been paying a lot more of attention
to this, But with the president traveling abroad and other things,
that kind of falls back. But my feeling is that
what President Trump wants, ultimately President Trump's going to get.
And the more I think about it, We've talked about

(23:56):
this a couple of times since I've been in town,
but ultimately I think that that he will he will
get what he wants and we'll know if he really
wants it, because once he gets more and more, the
House of Representatives is becoming you know, at what point
does President Trump pick up the phone?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I mean, i'd point out, and this is this is
a real point the New York Republicans, Mark Milano and
the others. Their argument is, look for our constituents who
live in suburban New York and in fairness, this has
also happened with the California couple. California Republicans, they get
more from the being able to duck their state taxes
New York corporate income taxes like twelve percent Californi's thirteen

(24:35):
point five. Then they get from reducing the tax rates.
So for our constituents, if we go back and say
we let the whole tax thing lapse, we got your
one hundred percent salt tax back, we get cheered. Whereas
if we vote for what you want, we lose our seats.
Because this is the one thing fighting for that's a
powerful thing. However, I watch this game not with them,

(24:57):
but with some of the right wing members of the
House s Kaka saying we're going to take out Mike Johnson.
That didn't work out so well. When Trump was making calls.
I mean, he had some Democratic help, but this hole
back and forth a brinksmanship hasn't been particularly successful since,
of course it was successful in the removal of his
predecessory speaker.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yes, but that was that was a different world.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
This world is Trump's world, and the Republican Party is
the Trump Party, and ultimately he'll get that.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
When when you're at some place and it's their party,
they'll they're allowed to ask you to leave. And if
you don't think that Trump will be starting to think
about who gets primaried, I think you're wrong. I think
that I think that you you buck him at some point. Yeah,
you might get in the general election that position might
be good, but we'll see. We'll see how being anti

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Trump plays in the Republican primaries in those districts. And
I think the biggest change in politics, and really goes
back to the Tea Party is the primary because getting
primaried that that didn't used to be a thing, but
now it's the thing. And at the end of the day,
you know, if you believe, you know, some people are

(26:08):
not primarily concerned about keeping their seat. Maybe they're thinking
this is the right thing to do. And there that's
a hill they're willing to die on. But a lot
of yeah, both of them, but yeah, both of them.
Everybody else. But what I what I hear, what I
hear them saying is politically, this is good for us.
And I'm like that, you're thinking general election, you're not
thinking about the primary.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And uh, you know.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
New York is upstate. New York's a strange place and
Trump has plenty of support there. So yeah, we'll hear that. Well,
we'll see that. But I still stay at the end
of the day.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
You think he gets the votes for to get out
of the House, Oh, yes, I do. Does he get
the votes in the Senate? I think yes, fifty three Republicans.
He can afford to lose three because jd. Vance can
deliver it.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
And you know, it's a lot of I think it
gets it. I think jd. Vance cast the uh uh
the tiebreaker.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Because in the Senate his problem is the opposite where
he has some Senate Republicans like Josh Harley of Missouri
who has come out and said, you know, we need
the expanded Medicaid.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Basically, this is the argument.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
The Senate is the defense of the Obamacare expansions of Medicaid,
and you have poor state Republicans Josh Harley and others
who otherwise conservatives said, look, eighty percent of my constituents
are on medicaid. If you take this away from my
people that don't have healthcare. On the other hand, you
have ones like Ron Johnson are saying, wait, we as
a party have been exposing Obamacare since the party and

(27:35):
now we're codifying it.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:36):
Sure, it's called calling the question. And one of the
things that I'll everybody always says. One of the things
about this is once this goes through, if it does
go through, is that it's Trump's He owns it. And
I ask my friends, particularly ones who don't like Trump,
does he strike you as anyone who hides from stuff?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
You know, he embraces this.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
And I think that the economy and healthcare after this budget,
I think I think it'll be on Trump for good,
for good or ill for him. But I think that, uh,
it's calling the question. And that's one of the things
about Trump and the way he manages the party. He
calls the question, make up your mind.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
And there's an interesting thing. When he's called the question.
It doesn't matter how good a closest support you are,
and so's there's no such thing. And I'll give you
an example, and I give a very Louisian example, which
we've talked about before. And one of the trump one
of the things Doge has done is at NASA, it's
cutting a lot of this it's called the Gateway Station program.
It was cutting the return to the Moon. Why is
that important to us in Louisiana Because the carry vehicle

(28:44):
that would go to the Moon is the Artemis rocket,
which is being built at the Mashoe facility. So it's
it's it's it's it's built here in Louisiana and tested
in Mississippi right at Tennis.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
So interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Whereas Elon Musk and SpaceX is aiming their dragging capsule
to go to Mars, they'd still several things. And the
new head of NASA, who said we can do both
is one of musk former associates, and he's an expert,
he's a new this. So one thing really interesting happened
in the last week and a half, and it's the
fact that the Governor of Louisiana post on X, which

(29:16):
also says something about the political climate that a criticism
of Elon Musk. This is Jeff Landry, who is as
big as saying that by getting rid of the Artemis program,
you're put you might as well say welcome in Mandarin,
post a sign on the moon to the Chinese. It
was a very It was not like a light mister

(29:37):
president considers saving our jobs. It was like, this is
going to retry. This was a hard statement, and he's
doing it because this is you know, two or three
thousand Louisiana high tech jobs. But at the same time,
Musk is like Boeing doesn't really have a good record
with the Artemis thing. And remember we sent a rocket
up there to pick up two astronauts after nine days.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
They were up there for nine months. Because it's not
really gone. That was a rocket that was built here
in Louisiana.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And so the President has basically said, yeah, when it
was SpaceX rocket, that was one of the points me
it was Dragon Castle. And so one of the points
Trump has said is, look, I'm not interested in going
back to the Moon. I'm interested in going to Mars.
The last launch window for Mars is in my administration
is twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I don't know if I'll make it, but they have
in this budget cut the entire lunar program, which means
Misha will effectively be closed. There's there's no other way
of quitlos. So this is one of those situations. There
is no closer loyalist for Trump than Jeff Landry, right,
This is the attorney general that lent all of the
challenges when he was this. This is I mean, the

(30:40):
closest associate for his family.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
This is the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
And yet it didn't matter because frankly Trump's priorities go
to Mars and frankly Elon Musk is this big an
ally as Jeff l injury, if not bigger. So it
kind of gives you the Doge is having There were
one hundred and sixty million billion dollars in cuts, and
Doge the only nine billion that have been included in budget,
which is one of the controversies. So one of the
questions is in reconciliation, that's when the two budgets come together,

(31:05):
will more of the Doge cuts come in?

Speaker 5 (31:07):
I don't think so that. That's one thing. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's until Congress says these things are gone. The President's
impound power is very limited. He can say you can't
do anything, but then we won't pay you, and then
the courts will say no, we will pay you, and
that's the end of it.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
I wish Landry would create a Louisiana doge. I really
did did he?

Speaker 5 (31:28):
He hasn't done anything with it.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Okay, Well, that's the thing. A lot of these presidents go.
They talk a big talk every president did they win
to cut all the government waste? And then they never
they don't do it.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
This is didn't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
This is the important They farm committees and ugu they
still don't do it.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
But this is the important thart Curtis. Trump really hasn't
cut anything yet. And this is something we keep saying.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
He's cut.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
He's cut employees that may not have been there for
the first twenty four months, but every other department he's cut. Essentially,
he stopped funding on contracts and stopped funding positions that
the Court's rule that he doesn't have this power. If
this goes to Supreme Court, these people get the money back.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
It's not like he can.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
He doesn't actually have the power of universe of unilateral termination.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
I've heard the argument that he's not not really cut things.
That's a difficult thing. A friend of mine had was
doing work. He got three they had four project you
got three stop work orders. It'd be hard to convince
him nothing was cut. It would be hard to convince
anyone at the various agencies who are home now that

(32:33):
nothing got cut. You can't go to US A, I
D and say nothing. I mean, those are real folks.
I understand what you're saying. That you know, could the
courts come back and say whatever whatever they would say
to reinstate it. Sure, But those those families, I mean,
the cuts are hard. I mean, I've run companies. I
don't like to fire people. I don't like to lay

(32:55):
people off. It's hard in its emotion. But those families
that are not going to work to say, well, you're
not really cut because maybe the courts will give you
your job back someday, really well, thank you well, I mean.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
And to your point, I will say it.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
My sister in law works for the International Refugee Agency
and it was founded by Albert Einstein. It's run by
the former British Foreign Minister, and the USAID funded most
of their any AIDS work and was their refugee work
in Africa and all this, and she said, just the
suspension of funding for six months has destroyed this program.

(33:31):
So it would take us twenty years to rebuild a
lot of this programs, one of them being George W.
Bush's most successful program, fighting AIDS, which has probably saved
about thirty seven million lives. And that's not an exaggeration.
Note I said thirty seven million lives.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
A little red pill. It has kept them alive for
the past ten fifteen years now.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
So I mean, you're right your point, Curtis. Maybe I
was being overly global, but you're right. It's one seas
that just done.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
And the indecision, I mean, the people who are trying
to make decisions based on global supply chains that I mean,
it is real. There's a certain element of chaos to it.
I think that to say that he's not I mean
one of the things about trump Man, he's not playing around.
I mean, he means to cut these things. I think

(34:21):
he's going to follow up on it and we'll see
what the courts can do. But there are limitations of that.
And one of the things that I keep thinking about
was on a TV show I did once, John Nichols,
the former Editor of the Nation was on. He said,
you know, every president adds a couple of arrows to

(34:41):
the quiver. Every president expands the powers a little bit.
This was during the Obama administration, he said, you know,
but then the new president, they criticized them for it,
and then they get elected and the new guy says,
ye know, I won't actually use them, but I'm going
to keep those arrows. I'm going to keep those arrows.
I'm gonna keep that ability. You know, look at the
emergen see response we had after nine eleven that gets

(35:03):
renewed annually. That suspends a lot of constitutional guarantees. So
there's these errows in the quiver. And then, you know,
the question always was, you know, when when Obama expands
presidential powers?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
And then yeah, because let's face it, a lot of
what in this the left doesn't want to hear this.
Almost everything that Trump's criticized for and I'm a critic
of Trump that people know that, but almost everything that
Trump has been criticized for were powers that Obama took
and didn't do it to the same extent, but then
he certainly did.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Yeah, and then you've got someone who's like, all right,
I see these powers and I'm going to use them,
and here we go. And I think one of the
things that I hope is a takeaway from it is, boy,
you know, maybe the president had a lot more power
than we thought.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Like the old saying goes, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely.
It's a sign that when people get powered, they don't
want to let it go, and sometimes they like to
make it bigger. And that's dangerous, especially especially because we
have a constitution that's supposed to protect us from all that.
Going back a little bit to the corruption, I witnessed
this corruption in government.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I was.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I saw it happen right in front of me when
I was in Afghanistan in twenty ten that they were
charging I saw it in my own with my own group,
my own unit, where.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
They were charge contractors in Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, we were working with contractors, everybody does, and we
were watching these contractors increase their prices by one thousand
to two thousand percent, and we knew it was a ripoff.
We knew it.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
We saw it.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
And then my first time in the military, for the
very beginning, we filled up, we cleaned out the medshed,
we filled we filled up a truck of office equipment,
paper supplies everything, so many of them in boxes have
never been open, filled up. The truck hauled it to
the dumpster and threw it away. And I asked the
sections I saw, can I come back this good stuffach?
He said, don't you dare? You go to jail if

(36:55):
you do? And you know why they did that. They
wanted to show that they needed more money within the
coming budget, the next year's budget, and they got it.
See if they had saved things they have been penalized,
so to speak, they wouldn't got as large as a budget.
That's why bureaucracies don't work. They're designed to fail, and
if they succeed, they fail. If they fail, they succeed.

(37:16):
So what are they trying to do? Fail? So you
get bigger budgets over you and need more people and
everybody gets promoted. Chris, what it's all about?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
You and I talked about this, not about government procurement,
but about regulation on different other matters where you basically
got to use everything you got.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
And you know, did Hunter Thompson ever talked about this?

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Yes, but there's a lot more profanity than perhaps we
would be comfortable with.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Here.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
I think Hunter's thing about government was a reaction to authority.
More generally, he did not do well with authority. One
of the things when you look at the Beat generation
rids that are the beat writers that are here. We
have several state Beat port laureates coming to the Gonzo
Fists that I'm here for this weekend.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
In twenty seven twenty seven pertenya all day Sunday.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yes, yes, that's why you get the big bucks.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
But one of one of the things that I find
to be you know, Hunter wasn't a beat writer, but
I think that you could argue that gonzo journalism's beat adjacent.
But but the common denominator and one of the things
that people even who might find him difficult in other ways,
it's defiance. And that's one of the things that that's
common about when I hear you talk about your your

(38:27):
tour and and your your feelings about your is defiance
of these things. And and how do you push back
and how do you how do you be an individual
exists in the system. And I and I think that's
one of the one of the challenges of our time
right now, is how how in the world, you know
you point out that bureaucracies, and Christopher was talking about

(38:49):
earlier conversations. I mean, one of the things about water
in the Western United States is if you don't use it, uh,
you you lose.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
The humane land.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
And you don't use water, even if you waste it,
you lose the right to it. So therefore there's no
incentive to conserve water.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, and then you go to someone in Colorado and say, well,
you need to do this, that or the other, and
spend a lot of money so that they and that
they'll tell you that's why so Los Angeles can fill
its swimming pools. No, I will not diminish you know,
my my property for that. And you you project that
through the years and you end up in a real mess.
And I think, I think that that's what we're doing.

(39:25):
And I think that when you see an accumulation over
the years of that and then you get a president
or someone who really wants to to to go at
it and use and use these tools, boy, it's a
it's a wake up call for all of us that, uh, well,
defiance had better take hold because we're finding the president
has a lot more power than maybe we thought, and
maybe more than we're comfortable with and that probably goes

(39:46):
for both sides of the the Trump dichotomy.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
So that's the thing, curtis that neither side really is
paying attention to the idea of limiting power because and
how many Democrats high we're saying we need to get
rid of the filibuster. We get in a philbuster. You
and I were like, protect the filibuster, And now, of
course the Republicans are saying get rid of the filibuster.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Always what helps them right at the moment, which I
don't like. I really don't like that, but that's politics.
I guess you got to say. I was going to
say that anytime you change something, if something has to
be fixed, almost always, there's going to be pain involved.
You're overweight, you die of a beach city or whatever.

(40:28):
You need to go on a diet, you need to
start working out. That's painful. Nobody likes pain, nobody wants
But you know what, if you don't, you're gonna have
the long run. You know the strategy, You're gonna have
a failed strategy.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Not to pray in a classical illusion. But there's a skill,
there's a silly and charybdis of all of this that
you have to negotiate between because on the one hand,
we can bring this metaphor too far. But I want
to close with Curtis Robinson, who's joining Hi mcckenry and
Christopher Tidmore here in the Founder Show to basically we
start off talking about the climate of journalists in DC.
Where at the end of the one hundred days, the
budget deal you've predicted will go through. But where does

(41:01):
it go from here? Because that may be the only
piece of legislation that Trump can get through because it
just requires a simple majority.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
What are you hearing, Christopher, I'm in a healthy diet.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I here a healthy diet.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
I'm not sure that's the only place of legislation he
can get through. I guess if you're saying, where do
we go from here? One of the things I've learned
about the Trump administration part two is don't think that
way so much. You're trying to anticipate going out any
length of time. It gets very, very difficult. You know,

(41:35):
Life with Hunter was sort of the art of the
next fifteen minutes. That's kind of Trump. I mean, it's
the art of the next forty eight hours. And I
still wonder what we did in Panama.

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for him, and so he felt the only choice left
was to go into the ministry and be a missionary
to the Choctaw Indians. And that's exactly what he did.
But with his great literary talent, he of course continued

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to produce and write and anyway, during the course of
his life he built churches across the north Shore. He
had a huge congregation. He saved the Native Americans from
the Yankee troops that were here, who were brutal, if
you remember after the War of Northern aggress and the

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very things in Great War crimes that they had committed
against the South, and they turned it to the Native Americans.
We know those stories, and attempted to you know, white
by the possibly even genocide the entire Native American populations.
It's terrible with them, these federal troops, did I mean
it was just uncanny. It's hard to imagine any American
troops could have done that, committed the atrocities they committed.

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In fact, today when I went to my civil Faris training,
that was held up is what you don't do in war.
The very atrocities and war crimes committed against the South.
The greatest of all was Columbia, South Carolina, where they
literally turned their troops loose. This was Sherman to murder, loot, rape,

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and burn just about the over half the town down down.

Speaker 7 (47:39):
It was.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
It was beyond comprehension that American troops would ever behave
like that, but they did, and so he saved them
from the federal troops that were in New Worms at
the time. It guy was just did so much, he
was amazing. Anyway, he was sent to France, who was
so talented to study in the finest universities of Europe.
And when he returned on the boat back, he couldn't

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wait to get back to America, because this is what
he said about America. He said he could bear. He
was counting the time. He could barely wait to get home,
but to see the land that God had blessed, Heaven
blessed and bound for greatness the land that brought him
freedom and love of his fellow man, America. Now that

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was how he saw this country, a country that was
filled with God, because back in those days we were
because we had governments that you know, local state and
federal governments. They always put God in the middle of
what they were doing. Of course, you see, they didn't
do it during the war, though. They messed up on
that one anyway, and with slight occasional references back to God.

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But it wasn't good, folks. It wasn't good what the
federal troops did in the War of Northern Aggression and
then what they did in Native Americans afterwards. And so
what about you. We can clearly see father Roquette loved
America and he loved God, and God was what his
life was all about. You know that after he passed away,
they had a huge funeral and the Native Americans, the Choctaws,

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came from all over America, Oklahoma, Mississippi, there and the
North Shore. They all came for this fantastic, huge funeral
with a giant parade. They marched his parade and everything.
And after they buried him, his body disappeared about a
few days later it was gone. The tomb was empty.
What had happened to Father work At He didn't rise

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some medetic course, But what did happened to him? No
one really knows. I have a theory because it sounds
just like the Native Americans. I think they came and
got his body, brought it to their secret barrel ground
on the north Shore and Fountain Blue State Park and
buried it there. See, Father Workut knew God, and he's
in heaven now. But what about you? Do you know God?
Would you like to know you're going to heaven? Well,

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I'm gonna tell you how you can do it. It's
gonna be simple, shortened to the point. Now I'm just
gonna quote one verse. Really, I'll quote a few, but
you know, just mainly one. And that's John three point sixteen,
considered to be the most and powerful verse in the
whole Bible for bringing people to God, for converting people,
for giving people a born again experience where their dead
and dying spirit becomes fully alive. So folks, hang on,

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here we go. The Bible says, for God's soul love
the world. That's you, that's everybody, that he gave his
only begotten son. You see, because God's a lover, he's
a giver. He gave us Jesus, perfect God, perfect man,
all the way God, all the way Man, that he
gave us his only begotten son. That whosoever that's you again,
believeth in him. What's that mean? Believe? What do you believe?

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It's actually two beliefs you need. The first belief is
to believe that you cannot save yourself. You're hopeless and
helps without God. So quit trying all your religion, financial giving,
you know, soul winning, let's say, hanging on gospel tracks,
singing in the choir, whatever you're doing, whatever it is.
You're just not good enough. You're not smart enough, you're
not rich enough, you're not charming enough. You're not enough.

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You don't have what it takes. God says, quit trying,
and all I want from you is trust. Believe that
I really did die for all your sins, was buried
and rose from the dead to win for you that
precious free gift of resurrection, ever lasting life. And that's
the second party. You believe to believe in the Gospel.
The Gospel, the scripture says, is the power of God

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in the salvation. And this is the gospel. Wh I
declare to you the gospel first quent, there is fifteen
that Jesus died for all of our sins. That means,
from the day you're born, in the day you die,
you talian see your greatest sins. He died for all
of our sins. His blood washed them all the way,
that he died for all our sins, that he was buried,
and that he rose from the dead, according to the scripture.
That's the gospel. Folks. If you've never believed this, do

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it now. Don't wait until it's too late, like the
old country preacher said, and like the scripture says, now
today is the day of salvation. Well, folks, now I
want to talk about something else that's very important, and
it's the fact that Jesus is coming back soon. So
we're now going to go into our Chapelain bye bab
watchment on the wall again and just take a brief
moment to show you how you can know that you

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know that you know you're ready for Jesus. Are you ready?
You better be ready because he's coming soon. The Bible
says the four horsemen of the apocalypse are going to
be turned loose on this planet, and for seven years,
they're going to be racing and running all around the
planet from the north pole to the south, east to
west and everywhere in between, bringing great tragedy and travail

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upon this earth, an apocalypse never known before, where there'll
be so much war and disease and disaster and crime
and murder and everything else going on. There will be
so much of it that it will literally reduce the
world's population down to somewhere between fifty to one hundred
million people as we're right now, a little over eight billion, folks.

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That's going to be a whole heap, a lot of problems,
a whole heap, a lot of trouble, and it's coming,
and it's coming soon. Are you ready, Well, you better
be ready. Get the greatest bunker you can ever get.
The name of that bucker, the name of that safe
house is the Lord Jesus Christ. Get him now, by
him with your faith. You just have to believe. Do
it now, folks, and you're gonna be ready for Jesus's return,

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which I think is coming very soon. Well, folks, at
this time for us to close, as we close with
a mound Saint Martin singing a Creole goodbye and God
bless all out there.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
We call you were goodbye. They think we're just wasted
the time put me all three sable.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Of me.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
There's time for a Creo goodbye.