2025-08-20 - BBI - Big Blue Insider with Dick Gabriel

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Anybody, it's hump Day?

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yes, it is hump Day, but not just any hump day.
It is one day closer to Kentucky football. That means
we're ten days away from the Wildcats kicking and off.
Welcome to the Big Blue Sider, Dick Abrie with you, naturally,
we will talk a lot of Kentucky football tonight. It's
Wednesday night, which means we'll talk with Cole Park of
The Cat's Pause covers football and basketball for two four

(00:33):
seven Sports. The Cat's Pause Sight also our weekly visit
with our unforgettable guard, Sean Woods. And we don't just
talk basketball with Sean. We often mix in football as well,
and of course our West End buy chief Gary Moore
will join us as well, coming up in our number two.
Thanks to Roman Corey Price, our statman for the UK
radio network, we know and if you follow him on Twitter,

(00:54):
you know we are ten days away because he posted
a picture of number ten one of my all time
favorite players as a person and a player, Moe Williams.
Moe was a great, great running back, one of the
one of Kentucky's best, one of the SEC's all time
best back in the mid nineties, played in the Beach
Bowl in ninety three for Bill Curry's team, and of

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course was on that sad team that went to one
to ten the next year following the murder of Trent
de Durou, and then in ninety five just couldn't quite
put it together as a team. But Moe Williams certainly did.
He had a huge year one for the Ages. But
you know it was his freshman year in ninety three
that he really kind of announced himself. In the opener

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against Kent State, he had a modest amount of rushing yards.
But then they played the Florida Gators, and back then
that was unusual to play Florida that early in the
year and to play an SEC game that early in
the year. And here they had shut out Kent State
and the opener thirty five nothing. They picked off seven
passes against those Florida Gators. You know the story, and

(02:02):
could still couldn't put enough points up to win it.
Chris Dorian catches the touchdown passed to win it for
the Gators. Yeah, he's my semi regular guest. And as
I said, we have chosen to forgive him for making
that grab.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
But in that.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Game, Moe Williams exploded for a seventy yard touchdown run
and basically signaled to the rest of the sec that
you need to keep an eye on this guy. Here
is the Sunshine Networks call TV call of Moe Williams
breaking one against the Gators back in ninety three.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Good Riazi and Williams with the stack guy on the
hand off to Williams up the.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Left side, Big haul up it.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
He pumped in the second yard. He's the fifty piece
forty larak Killian for suit can't tackling. He's uside the
twenty pace the stort touchdown for Kentucky on a seventy
yard run by Mau Williams right to the first back
through the middle, Joe Williams counter the second back.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Crew just tripped it on the left side.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
From a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
Vaders couldn't catch it byl Williams, a true freshmook Columbus.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Guardia to this day, working that game down on the sidelines,
I can remember when he flashed by me. He went
by me so fast. And you know, I keep a
roster and I'm still learning the team, and I looked down.
I'm like, now, who's number ten, and oh, that's that
Williams kid. And by the time I looked up, he
was into the end zone. It was an incredible run

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and the highlight of that season from Williams in terms
of the touchdown run and the opponent.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
But his junior year, and he only.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Played three years left before a senior year, his junior
year was unbelievable, just remarkable. Nineteen ninety five, that was
the year. Remember against South Carolina in a driving rain,
Williams ran for two ninety nine and scored three touchdowns
in the first half all purpose yards four hundred and

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twenty nine fifty seven receiving seventy three on kickoff returns.
And because he had the two ninety nine, because one
of the swing passes he caught was actually behind the quarterback,
so they changed it from a reception to a run,
which is the way it's measured, and that's why he
ended up a two ninety nine on the ground. Unbelievable performance.

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And as I said, it was in a driving rain,
and at one point in the second half, South Carolina
just gave up. They didn't even care. The defenders quit
trying to run him down. He averaged seven and a
half yards per rush. That was an SEC record at
the time, and the course was named National Player of
the Week by the National Football Foundation by Sports Illustrated

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and of course Player of the.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Week by the SEC.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
But that year he set the UK record for single
season rushing yards exactly sixteen hundred. He had seven hundred
yard rushing games, also led the SEC in run fishing
yards per game at one forty five and a half,
led in all purpose yards scoring honorable mention All America.

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How that happened only honorable mention but consensus all SEC
and a finalist for the Doak Walker Award. And he
finished his career at Kentucky in rushing yards three thousand,
three hundred and thirty three. How about that? Goes on
to the NFL, played nine years, played five for the Vikings,
went to the Ravens for a year, came back, played

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three more, three or four more for the Vikings. His
last season he spent in six on the practice squad
with the Saint Louis Rams. He was battling an injury there,
but finished his career. And I will never forget that.
Two things about his pro career and the Jim Madaleno
was talking to me about this. Of course, we talked
about Jim yesterday, the great executive Associate athletics director for

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Sports Medicine and Performance, used to be the trainer for
the football team. But we were chatting one day and
he told me that scouts loved Moe Williams for his toughness,
and the Vikings drafted him because.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Robert Smith was on and off the field.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
He was a really good running back out of Ohio State,
but you know, sometimes he plays sometimes he was dinged up,
and they kind of drafted Mo to motivate Robert Smith
and it worked.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And Moe talked to Dereck Ramsey.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
The grate Derek Ramsey's going to join us on the
show tomorrow and Derek in NFL veteran former UK All
Conference quarterback, and Moe was talking about, you know, getting
more playing time in this and ram told him this,
don't worry about playing time until you get to your
second contract. Stay healthy, do what they want you to do,
play special teams, which he did, but just stay in

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the league, stay healthy, get to your second contract, and
that's when you make your money. And he did, and
he stayed relatively healthy for a long time in the NFL,
rush for only about eighteen hundred yards, caught another fifteen
hundred yards worth of passes, but he was money near
the goal line. Moe Williams for his career twenty one

(07:07):
rushing touchdowns and another four receiving touchdowns. I know I've
gone on for a while about it, but again, he
just one of my all time favorite UK players.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Love talking to him. He's been on the show a
few times.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Maybe need to revisit with Mo because last I heard
he was training thoroughbreds down in Florida, so he talked
to him about that the last time he was on
the show.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
So anyway, Moe war number ten. We are ten days.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Away from Kentucky football. One of the names that keeps
coming up in camp from coaches and from his teammates.
Willie Rodriguez, a tight end played at Covington Catholic hometown
Taylor Mill, Kentucky sixty four two point fifty two, just
a sophomore and announced himself last year with really tough play.

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Played in all twelve games, three starts. I only had
five catches, but averaged nearly nineteen yards per catch and
had a huge twenty five yard catch in the fourth
quarter in the win overall miss down in Oxford. And
earlier in that game, he dropped a pass on a
key third down and I mean it was right there,

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hit him in the hands, and he was just an anguish,
just agony, and the director of the broadcast chose to
kind of linger on him when he dropped the ball.
Then they go back and they show Kentucky, you know,
setting up for the punt. Then they go back to
Willie on the sidelines and he's just killing himself over it.

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But in a crucial moment in the fourth quarter, had
that huge twenty five yard catch that helped set up
the winning touchdown. Had a good game at Texas three
catches and fifty three yards, led the team in receiving
yards down in Austin, so again a tough guy and
somebody respected by Mark Soops by his teammates, had a

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chance to talk to Willie at practice.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
I think it's going really well. I think I've definitely
enjoyed it. I think it's a really big time obviously
the girl as a team, and I think we definitely
have done that, and I think it's been a really
enjoyable camp with a lot of energy, so enjoyable. Yeah,
I think I know that sounds crazy, but like when
you have a certain team and have certain guys out there,
and I think, you know, when you come out here
and you can enjoy each day, stacked days, I think
that really is easier to grow as a team when

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you're enjoying it and having energy doing it.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
So for sure, I hear a lot of guys now
saying stacking days. I think I know what you mean.
Tell our listeners what you mean.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
Yeah, what I mean is basically we have twenty practices
of Campay, that's how many practices we have. It's a
lot of practices under the sounding. Really it's just you
don't want to think about you know what I mean.
Just worry about the day you're on. Worry about the
practice you're on. Have the best practice that day you
possibly can have that day, Finish that day strong, and
then move on the next day. Stack the day, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
See what you do.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
So you get to this point, we got two practices left,
you know, still just stacking the days. You know, still
worry about tomorrow. So just finish today though, all right.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
We've talked for a listening two minutes. Let me ask
you a million dollar question. Is this the year the
tight ends get the ball more so?

Speaker 7 (09:56):
I mean, I think during fall camp, you know, it's
been a really good target, really good connection with quarterback,
and I think, you know, Bush has a really good
offense going on. I think I like where we're going
a lot as a group, and I think we're putting
things a lot together. So I like, I like what
we're putting together. We're growing as a team and as
an offense.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Is this offense tight end friendly?

Speaker 7 (10:14):
Yeah, for sure, I think so. For I mean it's whoever,
you know, I mean, everything comes up in a certain time.
You know they're gonna cover. We might have played us
and it might be someone else's turn. I mean, you
just gotta trust in the offense. I put trust in
the scheme and just make place.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
You're a physical player, for sure. I've heard more than
one of your teammates describe here as a dog. That's
kind of make you feel pretty good out of here.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Sure, I mean that's how it is. That's how I've
always I've grown up, been raised, and I think that's
just mentality. When you step on the field, just flip
the switch. And I think that's what I live by,
is flipping the switch while step on the field. Well,
last year you were just a puppy. Now this year,
I mean, I think, you know, I grew up a
little bit, got got my you know, belt under, and
got my experience playing those biggest C games, and I

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think it's time to come out and make some plays.
For sure, how much different is this offensive line include
the tight ends this year than last year. Really looks
like you guys have it's a really good continuity even
for sure, I think it's a lot different, a lot
different group. Putting a lot of things together, built a
lot more chemistry, and I think coming together is a lot.
I think we looked really good. And then also blocking

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with the tackles the tight end, I think I like
where we're at a lot. I think they're shrowing with us.
We finished. That's the big say I think is finishing
the block is that's one of my favorite things to
see on the field. I think we're doing that really well.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's Willy Rodriguez tight end who plays a lot of
special teams. And you might remember that old miss game
with which Kentucky want, of course down in Oxford. On
the opening kickoff, Willie Rodriguez separated the kick returner from
the football. Kentucky recovered the fumble played did not stand
up on review, and we didn't know it at the time,
but that was a preview of things to come. That

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was a preview of a Kentucky team that played so
well and made things happen, made a lot of mistakes,
but forced Old miss into making mistakes, and that was
kind of a coming out moment for Willi Rodriguez and
again and made that huge catch in the fourth quarter
against the Rebels that's set up the winning touchdown. We'll
talk more football on the other side of the break,

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and Johnny Bench has some thoughts on the greatest team
in the history of baseball and the fact that is
Johnny Bench might be a clue as to what he
thinks it is. Back in a minute at six thirty
WLAP Welcome back. Coming up in a few minutes Cole Park.
From the casts pause, we'll pick up and talk more
about Kentucky football, maybe a little basketball as well. We'll

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talk both with Sean Woods, the unforgettable guard that comes
up in our number two, along with our West End
Bureau chief Gary Moore. And while we're on UK football,
just another couple of notes. You've got some players for
the Wildcats on watch lists. Zach Calzada named the Johnny
and IDAs Golden Arm Award watch list. Gonna have to

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win a lot of games and throw for a lot
of yards to win that one. I don't know that
that's gonna happen for Calzada this season, but at least
he's on the watch that helps his name pops up there.
You've also got a couple of guys on the Comeback
Player of the Year Award watch list, Tavian Gadson and
Josiah Hayes. Gadson missed the first eight games of last

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year with a knee injury. He had to have surgery,
made it back to play against Tennessee and Murray State,
then pulled a hammy and missed the last two regular
season games.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Hayes missed the first nine games.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Of last year. Remember he tore his achilles and his
left foot in the spring. I remember the day Mark
Strups announced that that was a real gut punch for
the Wildcats. Made it back to play against Murray State,
played in the final three games. Actually made nine tackles.
So these guys are on the Comeback Player of the
Year award list. Now, while we're talking lists, Josh Braun

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and Aiden Larros have been named the preseason coaches All
SEC Team. They both made the third team. Braun is
the old lineman who transferred in from Arkansas. Aiden Larros
is the UK punter who's from Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
Started his career at U Team Martin, then played at
the Charlotte used to be UNC Charlotte. After two seasons,

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transferred to Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Played in all.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Twelve games, kicked off of the Wildcats and then in
the last nine games handled the punting. Put eleven kicks
inside the twenty, had ten kicks of fifty yards or
more average forty five and a half yards per punt,
including a sixty six yarder down in Texas that was
when Kentucky needed it the most and got a great

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punt from him. Also had a sixty one yarder down
at Tennessee. So Aiden Learros making pre season All Conference
third team along with Josh Braun. All right before the
break we mentioned baseball and Johnny Bench and pulled a
clip off the interweb. He was being interviewed for some
of these podcasts or whatever, and he compared or he

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was asked to compare the Big Red Machine to the
nineteen twenty seven New York Yankees, which is generally considered
to be the greatest team in the history of the game.
But in terms of contemporary teams, I mean, I'm biased.
I like that Big Red Machine. I was a huge
Reds fan still ham Or Cardinals and Reds, but that

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Big Red Machine team really had no weaknesses. Although, as
our pal Doug Flynn has pointed out, about the third
of the way through the year, there were at about
a five hundred clip and then just caught fire and
destroyed everybody that was in seventy five and picked up
where they left off in seventy six was essentially the
same team. So bench when he began to compare the

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Reds and the twenty seven Yankees, he starts off with basically,
the Reds are better.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I kinda softens it a little bit toward the end,
but I think you can tell where he stands.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well.

Speaker 9 (15:51):
The Big Red Machine will always be known as one
of the greatest teams to ever play the game. And
that's why is that is because we had Pete, Joe, Tony, Jeor, Sazar,
Davy Kenny and sometimes myself. And how can people still
after all of these years remember the lineup? Everywhere I go,
people talk we were cub fans, we were Giant fans.

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We were Dodgersham the Boy would respect the heck out
of you guys. I'll always remember the lineup, it says,
tell me the lineup, and they do. We left the legacy.
Why because we were the best. We were professionals at
every inch of the word. Wherever you look it up,
look in the dictionary as the greatest team ever. We'll
be listed Murderer's Row or Big Red Machine, Big Red Machine.

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I hate that because I love the Yankees, I love Mantle,
but I'll take my team over all of them.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
How much those pitchers deserve credit, well, they led the.

Speaker 9 (16:45):
League in era two years in a row, seventy five
and seventy six. People don't realize that. So let's not
talk about the fact that Jack billy Hamon won nineteen games.
We had Gary Nollen, we had Freddie Norman. Freddy came
over and won seven games in a row. We had wonderful,
wonderful pitching, a great Bulp and Raleigh and Will and
Clay and Pedro. Pat was even in that, Hey, I

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still think we're I'll take anybody on. We may not win,
we're still gonna be competitive.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Now that's no way to end it. We're going to
be competitive.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
No, you got to say, yeah, we'll take on all
comers and we'll beat them. It's tough to say that
about the Yankee of course, you know, nineteen twenty seven
versus the mid seventies, how do you compare? But the
key to Johnny's argument, one of the keys was they
penciled in the starting eight. Everybody knew that, and Sparky

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left it alone. Every day, same lineup, and you know,
and Johnny's making the argument that because people can still
rattle off that lineup, that that's one of the compelling
reasons to compare the Reds more favorably than the Yankees. Well,
you know, you could say that, but a real baseball
nut's gonna know that the Yankees of twenty seven were

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no for murderers row But it wasn't one through eight.
It was basically the first six hitters. Earl Combs, a
Kentucky native, Mark Kinig, Babe Ruth Lou Garrig, Bob Mussel,
and Tony Laziri. That was Murderer's row for the team
that went one ten and forty four and swept the

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Pirates in the World Series. Ruth that year hit sixty
home runs, batted three fifty six and get this, drove
in one sixty four, drove in one hundred and sixty
four runs. Garrig meanwhile forty seven homers, one hundred and
seventy five runs batted in and an average of three
seventy three. And he not Babe Ruth, was the America

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League Most valuable Player. Earl Combs hit three fifty six
and finally got into the Hall of Fame. And again
he's a guy with deep Kentucky roots. So Murderer's row
versus the Big Red Machine, and we haven't even talked
about defense, but that Big Red Machine had terrific defense.

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And I'm glad bench talked about the pitching because people
forget about that too on the Big Red Machine. One
other baseball notes this has kind of made the rounds
over the last couple of days. John Cruk, who is
a former Philadelphia Philly slugger, odd guy, funny guy and
now part of the broadcast crew, and during a Phillies

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broadcast the other night, it was kind of a blowout.
So his mind wandered a bit and he came up
with this gem that he bounced off Tom McCarthy the
playbook play Man.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
So you know how I think the things when I
have free time, and I shouldn't yep.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
So I was wondering, Yes, the person who invented the clock?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, which one the digital or that n.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
The first clock? Ever, how did that person know what
time it was?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's a really good question, thought, So I bouncer back
toward the b dumbled up by a young one opera
and bone is safe. You know, there is that sun
dial they might have used.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Is that accurate though?

Speaker 11 (20:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I guess it's as accurate as it can be. So,
when you were contemplating the clock thing, did you come
up with any answers in yourself?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
No, No, I thought I'd ask you.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I would think Sundal.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I have to admit I've never thought of that. The
correct answer it could have been sundial. I know there's
math involved. You can figure out what time it is
if you understand, you know, the ORBITU of the Earth
and all that kind of stuff. But it's a legit question,
and I honestly have never heard that pose by any philosopher,
any scientist. And here it's a former Big league ballplayer

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sitting in front of a microphone or behind a microphone
at a Major league baseball game. Brings that up. So
good for John Crook. Up next, Cole Park of the
Cat's Pause. A little bit later on Sean Woods. One
of our topics with Sean is going to be John
Wooden and Will Amblin. You're gonna want to hear that.
Later on Gary Moore, our West End bureau chief, on

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the Big wood Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome back to
the Big Boon Sider. Joining us on our celebrity hotline
is Cole Park. He is a staff writer for The
Cat's Pause, part of the two four seven network covers
the football and basketball Wildcats. And we're getting close, Cole.
I don't know how many stories you've written. Kind of
hard to not rewrite the same thing. But we had

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a chance to talk to offensive players yesterday defense tomorrow.
Have you have you dug up anything new of late? Uh?

Speaker 8 (21:34):
You know, I put out one yesterday about what j
Bull Waer and bush Handon had to say about Steph
mcgallan and John staying up right now where they're out there.
I thought that was an interesting story. I'll have one
coming out today about Kendrick Law since we had to
talk to him yesterday. But it's kind of like you said,
you know, we got we got defense tomorrow, but right now,

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I'm just really excited to get closer to that season,
so we'll have some games to write about.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I caught the at the back end of the Bullwear
interview about the factor McGowan and Dowdell have not taken
a ton of reps in camp, but he made a
great point about the fact that those guys have played
between them, you know, four hundred plus snaps and as
he said, how many more times does does he have
to be taken to the ground? You know, these guys

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know what they're doing, right Yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
I mean he's talking about that, like you said, he
had that he had that exact quote. I mean he said,
he said, how many more times can you see him
put on the ground for you for you to say, oh,
can you do it? I mean, you know, they know
what they can do. And he also pointed out at
one point too I think this was an interesting point.
He talks about last season and the issues that happened

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with Chip trying him with his broken hand in the preseason.
You know, but whereas I mean, you need to look
not any further than all around the country when you're
seeing guys down if this planning last he said, we
had a situation last year. We lost the guy that
we were counting on for most of the year.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yep, and that.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Really set them back.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Although Demi Sumo Karnbi I thought was surprisingly effective running
between the tackles, but all I heard about was Chip
trainum Tip training them. A guy didn't really play a
lot at Ohio State, but had the rep, had the
build and as you said, he was a non factor
last year. That that ain't golda happened this year, is it?

Speaker 8 (23:23):
No, it doesn't seem that way. And like you said there,
I mean she maybe not play. He didn't play as
much of Ohio State as you know, we thought he would.
But you know, coming in he was really highly touted
and he was the guy that everyone expected to be
the running back one and then he ended up playing
three games at Kentucky and now he's at Toledo. After
you know, breaking his hand there in the camp and
just kind of constantly being having injury issues and seems

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like this being a lot more careful with mcgallan and Dadell.
You know, they're saying, hey, all right, we know what
they can do. We've seen enough of them. Let's just
make sure that they're healthy so that we don't have
to lose them. And at the same time, you know,
I agree that Demi stepped up pretty big last year
and was was really really reliable for a lot of
that season. And that's something else that go Wear emphasize,
you know, talking about making sure Patterson and will Cox

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are both ready to go if their time were atall.
You know, he said, he said, those guys are ready
as well. And if one of those other guy, other
two guys fall off, and we'll just plug and play
with the next guy.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I had forgotten train him was at Toledo. It's gonna
be interesting to see if he hurts the Wildcasts coming in.
But how surprised were you that Kentucky went out and
got both Daldyll and McCowan because it looked like Patterson
was rounding in the form if will Cox you never
keep your shoes tied.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
He's a big play guy.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
I know you need depth at running back, but they
clearly recruited over those guys, didn't they.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, I mean I think I think that they did.
But I honestly think that you know, we've heard a
lot this fall about just how physical, you know, the
running back position is and how many hits they're expecting
doubt On Gallon to take, and that's part of why
they're not really playing them atonon this this offseason or preseason.
I think, you know, I feel like we've heard Stoops

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say once twice, one hundred times about having depths around
the team this year, and you know, the message I'm
getting is that it's still Gallon and Dowdell is a
big two, but also that Kentucky's going to be significantly
less afraid to have Patterson and Wilcox play minutes when

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they needed to play minutes, you know, go in the
game whenever there needed to go in the game. So
I think a lot of that just has to do
is building that death. I mean, both Patterson and Wilcox
are still really young guys. I mean they're both red
shirt sophomore, red shirt freshmen. So I think there's still
plenty of time for them to get theirs, and you've
got to make sure that, you know, having four running
backs you can put in the game whenever you need

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to do is a lot better than having two. Even
if you know you're planning on primarily using too, you
still have the other, you know, the other two of
the reserves that you can use if something would.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
To go wrong.

Speaker 8 (25:58):
And last year something did go and it felt like,
you know, Demi was able to step up, but you
kind of were forced to throw some of those guys
in the fire with the Willcox who wasn't really expected
to be in that role laster in the way he was. So,
you know, I think a lot of it's just I
think Kentucky football in a lot of ways across the
board is just kind of planning for the worst for

(26:20):
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, you got to build depth, There's no question about that.
And even when they had Benny Snell, they had people
backing him up, and at one point that a kid
named Chris Rodriguez backing them up.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
We're talking to Cole.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Park of the Cat's Pause, part of the two four
seven that work. He was there yesterday when we had
a chance to talk to bush ham Dan and some
of the offensive players you mentioned McGowan six one two fifteen,
Downdell six two two twenty seven. You know, and as
Bullwear pointed out, you know, one of them is known
is more for speed and quickness, the other one for power.

(26:51):
So and really Patterson and Wilcox are similar. So they've
got some options in the backfield, don't they.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, they really really do.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
And you know, we we've heard countless times from coaches
and players about how much Patterson's been doing this fall.
We we've heard from Stoops in the spring how excited
he was about will Cox, heard about him again on Saturday.
I think that those guys, you know, shouldn't be overlooked
just because that almandowner expected to be the big two.
But you do have a lot of rioting. You do

(27:20):
have a lot of you know, places you can plug guys,
and I think that that's important for a team, you know,
for any football team really, but for Kentucky especially, you know,
to have some of those guys that you can put
in the game situationally, you know, here's where we're at,
we need this, Here's where we're at, we need this.
You know, some of those short yarded situations. I mean,
you want more of your power backs, some of those

(27:42):
you know, first downs. Let me want some of the
more elusive guys, guys who can kind of try to
avoid that contact or get yards after attack. I mean
that's something that I thought Benny Snell was always really
good at, you know, those yards after contact. So I
think it's gonna be really interesting to see how Kentucky
utilizes that room this year and if it's a would
be utilized to its full potential.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
You know, And when you look back on last year,
I think that was one of the most frustrating characteristics
of that team is how bad it was when it
got inside the five yard line of punching it into
the end zone. We had never seen that, even Mark
Stoop's first couple of teams, you know, when they got
close they punched it in the end zone. This one,

(28:23):
for whatever reason, couldn't quite get it done. And you
never know what might have happened with last year's team
if they'd been able to get sevens instead of threes.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
You know, yeah, absolutely it was. It was frustrating. He
was like watching someone, you know, the way I thought,
it's like watching you know, in NASCAR or Formula One
and your favorite driver just stopped at the finish line
every single time. You know, it's like, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Like why?

Speaker 8 (28:50):
You know, I feel like there was a there was
some games there where I felt like the only person
that could sco was the kicker. And you know, that
was really really frustrating that offense. You know, I said
in the piece of the running backs, when I talked
about Chip going down, it wasn't just the backs by
any means. You know, there was issues everywhere, but I said,
there was a myriad of offensive issues and they just
they couldn't score. It was all over the place, and

(29:13):
you know, it was extremely, extremely frustrating, and you know
it's my job, but it made Kentucky extremely hard to
launch sometimes.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, and from what we've been told about the scrimmages,
and again it's is the defense doing well in the
offense is not or vice versa. Uh, the offense has
done a fairly good job in goal line situations.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
So I mean that's a plus. It's got it. You
got to think of it that.

Speaker 8 (29:40):
Way, right, Yeah, I mean you got you got to
so confident this team can put ut put the ball
in the end zone. That's something that stops really hammer home.
After that first scrimmage, you know, he said, we scored
some points today, put the ball in the end zone.
And then obviously after the second scrimmage, talked about how
they worked with a lot of those you know, situational things,
and I think that is an point about the defense,

(30:01):
because that's something else he said. You know, he pointed
out like some of those plays. He's like, is that,
you know, your defense missing stuff or is that your
offense just making really good offensive plays? Like what is
that there? But we'll talk to Brad White tomorrow, I believe,
and yep, we'll maybe get some more insight onto that
and see how he's feeling about it. But it's you know,

(30:21):
when you're playing against yourself, it's impossible to truly know
until you play against someone else. So I guess, well,
on in August thirtieth against Toledo, I said, the offense
or the defense that you know, it's letting letting up
more of those scores or creating more of those scores.
But you know, for the time being, it seems like
there is a lot more optimism on the offense to
be able to score some points and when you look

(30:42):
at that schedule, you're gonna need to be able to
score some points.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Oh yeah. He is Cole Park, staff writer for the
Cast Balls. We'll come back and talk more Kentucky football
on the other side of the break here on six
thirty WLAP Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
We're talking with Cole Park.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
He is the staff writer for the Cast Pause covers football, basketball.
Whatever needs to be covered, Cole will do it and
he'll join us on our state wide show beginning next
Monday night. And of course we're talking about the wrap
up of what they call camp summer camp. And is
my man, Jeppikoro cool. Grudgingly, Cole grudgingly points out, they're

(31:16):
not doing two days like we used to do back
in the day, that kind of stuff. But everybody's in
the same boat now when it comes to the hours
that these kids work. But I'll tell you what this
last the coaches had to love these last two or
three practice days as hot as it was. I mean, man,
players hate it, coaches love it. One thing that has
arisen though, and actually came up this week after Mark

(31:39):
Stoop's talked to the alumni in Louisville, was the fact
that even though he is basically named Zach Calzada QB one,
he is not giving up on any notion that Cutter
Bowley could beat him out. You know, if you look
at the comments he made, he said, there's a battle
for the QB job. What do you make that?

Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, I mean, first, I might be twenty two years old,
but I still did some two days when I was
playing in high school football. So I want me just
point that out there. But beyond that, you know, I
feel like it's definitely gotten a lot of attention, and
I understand why people are either happy or upset about it.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And it feels a little bit backwards to say, because.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
You know, I work in the media, so a lot
of my job is, you know, wanting people to click
the things that I write. But I'm not really putting
that much stock in what Scoop said up in little
I feel like we've had this, you know. It's one
of those things of being a Kentucky follower, Kentucky fan,
depending on what you call yourself. You know, you feel
like you hear this.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
All the time.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
I remember when Joey Gatewood was battling Will Levis.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, and where did that get up?

Speaker 9 (32:48):
You know?

Speaker 8 (32:49):
So I think that Cutter Bowlie is the quarterback of
the future for Kentucky football. And I mean that future
maybe sometime this year even, but at the tip for
the time being, every notion I've gotten has suggested that
Zach Calzada is going to be the starter week one,
that they brought him in to start, that they're really

(33:10):
looking at him to lead this team this year until
he can't anymore or prove that he can't do it.
So I think that, you know, Mark Stoops wants people
to be excited about Cutter. I think that I could
see a world this season where Cutter even is starting
by the end of the year. Wow. But for me personally,

(33:31):
a lot of that's going to depend on Cutter. And
I think you have the benefit the fact that, you know,
he had a really, really good scrimmage last Saturday, according
to the players and the coaches that we've spoken to.
So you know, maybe Calzada didn't have as good of
a scrimmage Cutter Bully has a really good one. He
goes up there, takes some reps with the first team
and does really well. That's kind of like, all right,

(33:52):
maybe this guy's getting more ready than we thought. He was,
or maybe you know, he's progressing along rain nicely. He
made some really good plays. I'm still expecting exact calls
out to be the starter week one. That has not
changed for me. I just think that it tells me
more than anything, maybe Cutters a bit further along than
we thought he would. Yeah, and maybe by the time
we get to the end of this season, it's already

(34:13):
the future and Cutter Bull is already starting. I'm not
going to predict that. I'm just saying I think it's
a very real possibility, depending on how this season goes
and how Cutter continues to play, that he could be
starting by the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
You never know, well, and if that happens, then it's
either Kazata's hurt or struggling and a team, you know,
maybe passed a point in a return. Because Hamden said
yesterday and somebody asked him about the fact that he
has been known to play two quarterbacks at other places,
but he said he does not. He flatly stated, no,

(34:47):
he does not see that happening here.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
So if indeed it is.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
KALs Outa's job, it's his to lose. And obviously, when
a QB loses a job, things are not going well.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
But he also alluded to.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
The fact that this is the SEC and you see
quarterbacks go down, you see him get banged up. And
you've been either as a student or professionally, call you've
seen a lot of Kentucky football where they get into
the depth chart when it comes to quarterback. So it's
kind of a luxury to have a guy like Cutter Bowlie.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
Yeah, I mean, absolutely no doubt about it. And you know,
like you said there, Bush was asked about, you know,
his time at Boise State, how they kind of used it,
and he pretty much, very bluntly shut that down.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:31):
You know, we were both there for that and heard that.
But you know, I think it's interesting because you talk
about how if Cutter's starring, it either means that Zach
got hurt or he's struggling, and I agree that that
usually is what would cause that, but I also think
it can be even smaller than that. I mean, you know,
I just finished up the SEC Netflix series from last season,

(35:53):
and you know, obviously I was covering football last year,
so I remember all the storylines, but it just kind
of brought a lot of those fresher in my mind.
And Graham Mertz at Florida gets some cuss early in
the season, forcing DJ Lagway in there. He comes in,
plays well, and then Florida's in a situation where it
kind of has to play two quarterbacks for a law
of the year because fans want to see Lagway and

(36:16):
Mersus the guy you brought in. It's got NFL potentially
got drafted, and obviously, you know, you never I don't
want to say it as a benefit that it worked
out for Florida because it's a horrible thing that happened,
But obviously that decision gets a little bit easier when
Mrs then stuffers another injury. This one's season ending. But
the point is, you know, who knows what's going to

(36:36):
happen this season, And Calzatic even go off for one
game and Cutter Bully comes in looks really, really solid,
and then suddenly Bush is in a situation kind of
like Florida last year, where it's like, all right, the
fans want to see Cutter, Dak is still our guy.
We kind of have to play both of them now,
and it'll be interesting to see how they react to
that kind of situation. But there's any kind of thing
that can happen in a football season. That gets a

(36:57):
guy an opportunity to be on the field. That's why
coaches always say, you got to stay ready, and it's
going to be interesting to see a cutter bully is
ready when his time is called.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
They also say, if you listen to fans, pretty soon
you will be up sitting in the stands next to them.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
But on the other hand, uh, you know, you got
to keep the fan base interested and you got to
do what's best for your team. And we see Cutter
Bowllie perform under pressure down at Texas, you know, when
he took that massive shot and then drop back into
the end zone and hit a deep ball. So you know,
he's proven under fire what he can do. But so

(37:34):
has Zach Calzada, which makes it more fascinating. So it's
a good problem to have right now. Obviously.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Thank you so much, sir, and we will talk to
you soon.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Thanks for having me and up next to hour number
two Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard, as well as West
n Bureau chief Gary Moore, and let me jump in
here just for a moment. I don't like as you know,
if you listen to mixed sports and politics, but sometimes
it's unavoidable. And Tommy Tuberville, who's one of the dumbest
people in Washington, has decided to weigh in on the

(38:07):
fact that the Minnesota Vikings have a couple of male
cheerleaders on their cheerleading squad, and he's ripping and blasting
and criticizing and warning that the federal government, implying the
federal government might step in and do something about it.
They're trying to erase the masculinity of the sport. Tommy Tuberville,

(38:28):
when he was the coach at Auburn, that cheerleading squad
had male cheerleaders. Look, I don't care either way, but
it's a hypocrisy of an idiot like Tommy Tuberville stepping
in to blast an nfls And by the way, there
have been male cheerleaders in the NFL for at least
five years, two or three other teams have them. But

(38:49):
suddenly he's all up excited about the Vikings. When at Auburn,
when he was the coach, they had male cheerleaders, he
said nothing about it. He's a dope.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Two next six thirty l ap Welcome back to the

(40:55):
Big One. Side.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
A little more than a week ago, I saw something
on the internet that involved a clip from the late
great John Wooden talking about how he quote unquote handled
his players, and he told a story about Wilt Chamberlain
and the use of that word. And just a day
or two later after I saw it, I got the
same clip texted to me by our unforgettable guard Sean Woods.

(41:19):
Here's the clip from John Wooden.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
I attended was environed to attend press conference when Wil
Chamberlain came with the Lakers, and one of the gentlemen
from the press said, well, do you think that coach
Van Bredakoff can handle you? I understand that coaches have
said you're difficult to handle. Wilt said, no one handles me.
I am not a thing. I am a person. You

(41:42):
handle things, you work with people. I think I can
work with anyone. Just prior to that, I had published
my book Practical Modern Basketball, and in it I had
a section entitled Handling your Players. I marked out every
place I had concerning handling your players and changed it

(42:02):
to working with your players. If you can't work with
others effectively, then they're not going to come close to
being able to realize their potential and put that together
for the welfare of the group as a whole.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
And joining us now in the celebrity hotline is the
unforgettable guard Sean Woods, head coach at Scott County High School.
He visits with us every week. And as I mentioned, Sean,
I saw that clip from John Wooden, and less than
forty eight hours later you sent it to me. That
had kind of an effect on you. Why did that
jump out at you? But John Wooden saying he would

(42:36):
no longer say he handled players, but he would work
with players.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Well that you know, the players don't respect too. But
you know, as we're coming up, especially old school wise,
athletics with a coach and a player was more back
then from a motivation standpoint, was ran like a dictatorship. Yes,
you know, the coach was the coach's way or no way.

(43:02):
Parents wasn't much involved, and there was you know, athletics
then was was really another part of discipline, uh, And
successful teams and corporations and businesses and programs, you know,
pride themselves on discipline and hierarchy and things like that.

(43:23):
And you have people like Will Chamberlain who wasn't going
for it, and to be honest with you, Dick, I
think that's one of the reasons why Wild Traman never won,
I mean, didn't win that many championships because he was uncontrollable.
You know, when your best player, one of the best
and the best player in the world, you know, is
coming to go when he wants and you can't tell
him what to do and hold him accountable, luck you

(43:44):
hold everybody else. That's the reason why they couldn't beat
Boston Celtics, you know, and and and and Bill Russell,
because that was a well old, disciplined machine ran by
Rid r Back and his best player, which was Bill Russell,
who bought into everything from a standpoint that Red albreg
had to offer. So I think that's the reason why

(44:06):
you know, Will Chamberlain didn't win at Kansas.

Speaker 8 (44:08):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Will Chamblain only won one championship in the pros, you know,
because you know, you're the best player in the world,
the most dominant force, but you don't want to be coach.
You want to come and go when you want and
do things that you need, not be held accountable. And
that's the reason why in my mind, that's just my
mind that he wasn't as successful from a winning standpoint
as he should have been.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I wondered about exactly that myself, But then I told myself, well,
here's John Wooden making this concession to and it might
be semantics, you know, just arguing about words, but he
changed what he had written, and he changed in his
own mind the term handling to working with. And John
Wooden was the ultimate winner in college basketball, and he

(44:50):
had a measure of discipline that included telling Bill Walton,
cut your hair. And if you don't cut your hair,
that's fine, but you're not going to play. Bill Walton
one of the greatest players ever. So a guy like
John Wooden, who in the sixties was was progressive and
is thinking, came around on that. What do you make
of that?

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Well, you know that he's working with. I just think
coach Whitten is really just choosing his words. Yeah, precisely.
But he ran his program with an iron fifth too.
You know that's the reason why Bill Russ, I mean,
Bill Walton did what he did because he knew John
wasn't gonna you know what I'm saying, buy into it.

(45:32):
Every place that probably Wilt Chamberlain played, they were so
ecstatic to have a generational talent like that that they
were willing to put up with, you know, his demands
and his things that he didn't want to do from
a from a teaching I mean from a from a
culture standpoint, coaching standpoint, and a discipline standpoint. And that's
the reason why those coaches weren't as successful. You never

(45:54):
hear who was if you ever mentioned Wilt Chamberlain, you
never talk about who was his cos you mentioned Bill Russell,
you mentioned Red our Back. Yeah, well they won, you
mentioned him, huh, they won and they won. Yeah, you
see what I'm saying. He was a coach's nightmare because
every coach that coached and thought they had something, but

(46:15):
they never had a chance to win championship where they
had chances, but they never won because you heard what
I'm saying. And just think about going back to when
he had when they were playing Boston and he got
hurt or took himself out and he came back and
wanted to put himself back in, and the coach didn't
put him back in because he's probably set up with him.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the great stories in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, what about what about?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Now? What about now, coach, I mean, does it bother
you to think about handling versus working with your players?
And again, you're on the high school level. You've got
kids coming in right out of middle school.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
In high school you're handling. You're not working with because
they don't know what working with is. They're not good
enough or have enough experience to even come back to
give you opinions or thoughts about what they you know,
what they see and not see. You know what I'm saying,
Very rarely do you have a talent like that who's
good enough to to to to to add something to

(47:14):
the to the table. Now you know when you do have,
so that's special. But you're in the you know, I'm
in the in the in the mood, in the in
the role of teaching more than I am handling. In college,
you start to handle, but you there still is a discipline,
you know. In the pros, they're adults, so that's their job.
You know what I'm saying, That their employees. But the

(47:34):
way college athletics is now, these kids are becoming employees
at eighteen nineteen years old because of the nil so
they are employees. So there is a difference, and you
feel kind of handcuffed because these kids are so sensitive
and they have so many options to leave you know,
you walking on eggshells trying to coach them.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I think there's a different you know, I think coaching
is the word handling. Eh, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
you know, it is different.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
I get it. Yeah, what about when you were in college?
Did Rick Matino handle you guys? Know he was coaching
you guys, but he did. He even worry about handling.
And I know it's kind of a foggy definition of
that word, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I mean, we were scared of death of him. So, yeah,
he coaches handling, you know, say it, you know, so
yeah he handled us. He handled us, he did. But
that's the reason why he's good, and that's the reason
why he's one of the few coaches right now that
still still has those ways. I mean, you know, you
you have different personalities and things like that, and he's

(48:42):
a pro ad it. But he still gets his way
and that's the reason why he's so successful, and you know,
on a consistent basis, because it ain't you know, a
coach has to be his way or the highway. Now,
do you work with guys and fit them into what
you're trying to do and they bring it something different
to the table. Yeah, but you still have to stick
to your guns on what makes your program successful. And

(49:05):
you know that's got to come in and buy in
if they want the team to be successful. Now, you know,
kids nowadays, they're not thinking about they're not thinking about team.
Mostly they think about money and how can they get
to the pros?

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, and at your level, they're thinking, how can I
get to that scholarship which leads.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Him money exactly exactly, So they got to learn how
to get to that level. So they know working with
you know what I'm saying, you're showing them and teaching
them this is the way to go, you know, and
you do it in a respectable manner. But there's got
to be rules and regulations and you you know, if
a kid doesn't know anything and never been any place
he's never been, he's got to do things he's never done.

(49:42):
And that's what high school's about, and that's what college
is about. If they're trying to get to the pros.
And you know, once you get to the pros, you
are working with you know, because you are both of
y'alls are are employers, so yeah, he is.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
We'll talk more basketball and little football on the other
side of the break here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back.
We're visiting as we do every Wednesday, schedules permitting, with
Shawn Woods. He is the head coach at Scott County,
but also the Unforgettable Guard. As Jersey hangs in the
rafters of Rupp and we were talking prior to the
break about coaching, handling players, working with players.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
It varies at different levels.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
We realize that, but at the high school level, as
Sean said, it's it's coaching and it gets into the
handling a little bit. And earlier in the show, Sean
I was talking about and I'll make the connection here
about the big Red machine. And you're a baseball fan
as well, Sparky Anderson. Doug Flynn has said as many
many times, Sparky Anderson had different rules for different guys,

(50:41):
especially you know the eight starting lineups that Pete Road
in the starting lineup, Pete Rose, Joe Morgan and all that,
And he made no bones about it that there were
different rules for different guys. Some coaches and managers don't
believe that. And we were talking about handling people, and
I'm wondering, I know, there's if you're a coach who
believes in discipline, and most do, you've got that baseline

(51:04):
for discipline, but some coaches handle different players different ways.
How do you handle that?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Well, that's a touchy deal because, yeah, you know, some
guys you don't have to coach as hard, you know
what I'm saying, because they already have it. Yeah, you know,
my biggest thing is playing hard, paying attention, and being disciplined.
You do those things right there, you don't have a
problem with the coach.

Speaker 8 (51:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
The ones that have problems with the coach are the
ones who don't want to be held accountable, don't aren't accountable,
you know, always has an excuse, don't play hard you know,
all the time, and don't pay attention. So those are
recipes for disasters. So those are the ones you got
to coach more. But the guys that are really really good,
you know, you don't have to coach Michael Jordan. But

(51:52):
guess what, though Michael Jordan wanted to be coached, you
don't have to coach Kobe Bryant. But Kobe Brant wanted
to be coached because that's the reason why they're so great.
Magic Johnson wanted to be coached by Pat Rally, you know.
But when you got guys that don't want to be coached,
then that's the guy that's going to be good enough
to get you beat. That's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Now, if he's a guy that's buying in and he
works his butt off and he's the hardest worker in
the group, and he's setting an example because he's one
of the most talented guys in the group, then no,
you don't have to do as much. Now if he
comes in late all the time, now that's disrespect. Now
he's got to be handled. You know, loans he is
respecting the program and respecting what the coach is trying
to do and buying in. Man, that's that's that's great.

(52:36):
But when you're going against the grain, now it has
to be disciplined. Now you've got to be put on notice.
And then two the guys that you know, when Sparky
Anderson was talking about the guys that didn't have that
that that that that much wrote as others, they weren't
as good.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Oh no, definitely not.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
But I think the Big Red Machine was also obviously
so talented and successful that Pete Rose and Johnny Bench
and more than anybody, Tony Perez, they were going to
keep guys in line, you know, where the manager didn't
have to so and that's the way it is oftentimes
in the pros.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Well, to that end, let me shift you over where.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
We've been talking obviously football all summer with a lot
of people here on the show and with you included,
And we've talked to a lot of late to the
Kentucky players about chemistry and I've talked to some of
the EKU kids about it as well, and that's such
a vital component in any sport. And you talked about
how y'all were afraid of Rick Patino. Cameron Mills has

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told me stories about being terrified of Patino. That was
kind of a bonding experience for you guys. I know
that helped build chemistry. But right now, the football players,
especially the old linemen, are talking about, you know, just
trying to come together as one. And that's something Sean,
you can't create, you know, artificially is and that's going

(53:56):
to happen on its own, whether it's at the high
school level, college level, or or whatever. What's it like
for a coach to watch that happen, Because there's really
nothing you can much do about it.

Speaker 8 (54:07):
Is there? No?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
But you know what I'm saying, you have guys that
know how to play, you know what I'm saying, that
are naturals that really understand the game. Those are the
ones that if you've got a bunch of them on
your team, especially like the old line, and they're intelligent
football players, then they know how to read not just
their own teammates, but the situation. That's chemistry. Now, if
you don't have those, now you just got to be

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continued to wrap it and make a repetition until it
becomes habit. Then people know each other, you know what
I mean. It's just like you know, if you play
with a kid all your life and y'all been in
the backcourt together, y'all know each other.

Speaker 8 (54:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
It's like you know, the Harrison twins, they know each other.
That's chemistry, you know, But that's life long. They came
out of the womb five minutes after each other. But
you know, chemistry is built over time and sometimes it
comes natural when you just got natural players that has
a great understanding for what they're doing. But if they don't,

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then that's what practice and repetition. You know what I'm
saying That that makes that chemistry, and that's why teams
get better as the year goes on, more so than
they do, you know what I'm saying at the beginning.
And you know that's why teams look at you know,
like you trying to play. You know, the main thing
is to be when your conference, be success from your conference,

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So your pre conference games, that's where you're trying to
build chemistry, trying to see who's on your team, who
you can rely on on, so on and so forth.
And that's the same thing that Kentucky's going through right now.
You know, you got a bunch of transfers coming in,
you know, being coached a different way, a different system.
Not only they're trying to be build chemistry with themselves
amongst themselves as players, but they're trying to build chemistry
and understand what the coach is trying to do because

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it may be something different that they've been doing all alonge.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Some of the old linemen we're talking to us about
a retreat that the team went on a couple of
weeks ago. They went to a lake, there were cabins,
there was no internet. You know, they were playing board
games and then swimming and cook it out and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And uh, you know they in one of the that's
that's that's camaraderie chemistry. That ain't that ain't that ain't football.
That's building camaraderie and trust amongst each other. But my point,
I got your back.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
It can carry over to the field, though, yes it can.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You know what I'm saying from a from from a
uh uh uh. You know camaraderie standpoint, but you can't.
You can't substitute practice as far as chemistry is concerned.
You're building bonding chemistry from an intellectual standpoint, but you can't.
Going on a camping trip is not going to make
you better as far as what you guys do in

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that field.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
No, But like you said, it's a bonding thing.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
And there are very few teams where you see them
working together on the field or on the court or whatever,
and then off the field, you know that guy really
can't stand that guy over there, but they play well together.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
That that rarely happens.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I mean, you know, the Oakland age back in the
seventies fought in their own clubhouse and then went in,
went out and won a World Series. But that's rare,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Well, in the pros is not in college it is. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. In the pros is not
because those grown men, they don't hang with each other
a lot a lot of them got families and stuff.
When they leave practice Sicilian things like that, they got
a whole nother life. You know, they got a wise kid,
other responsibilities. So you may have one or two guys.
It's very rare that a whole team is super tight

(57:31):
in the pros when you're a pro. But in college
you have no choice because you know what I'm saying,
most of these kids got dorms and things like that.
But they're going out together, doing more things together in
college and high school. But in pros, you know, everybody
at your job, you know what I mean, in a
regular job, when they leave their job, they're going homes right.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
There was always fascinating to me.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Kobe talked about when he joined the Lakers, he was
eighteen years old, and he said, I'm playing with grown
men like you just said, with wives and kids or
the single guys going to the clubs. He said, I
couldn't get into the clubs because I was only eighteen.
So that that's what makes his success even more astounding.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Well, Scotty Pippen even said that he never is as
successful as they were with the Bulls. Michael Jordan never
never went out to dinner with anybody on his team. Wow,
how about that? Scotty Pimas said he never went to
dinner and went out with Michael Jordan.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Just them to Michael was in his own world, wouldn't he?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
But they won, you know what I'm saying. They were
one of the best franchises that at one time in
the history of sport.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
That's correct. They hand the chemistry on the court where
it mattered, didn't it exactly?

Speaker 4 (58:40):
How's the chemistry on your team right now?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
It's coming man. You know the Patino effect. You know,
you make everybody have to depend on each other and
that's what brings came Rodery too.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Are they afraid of you so good? Are they afraid
of you?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
They know I mean business, and they know what to change,
and they know we're trying to get the greatness, you
know what I'm saying. So in order to get someplace
you never been, you got to do things you've never done,
and that's where these guys are. And in order to
be successful, you got to get comfortable being uncomfortable, and
these guys are doing that too. So I'm fortunate and
I got some I got a great group of guys
that are buying in and want to be good, and

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that's the main part.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Coach, Thank you so much. It's fun talking to you
as always, all.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Right, Dick, no problem man, looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
West n Bureau Chief Gary Moore up next on six
thirty WLP Welcome back to the Big Moon Cider.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
It is Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
That means we cast our eyes to the west, to
the west end of I sixty four. Hey, our West
End Bureau chief Gary Moore awaits a long time West
Coast bureau chief when they work for KLOS Radio now
in LA the Louisville area, and he joins us with
a lot on his mind.

Speaker 12 (59:46):
Well, there wouldn't be a lot if we'd have so
many stupid people in sports doing stupid things. That's good
for business, I guess, so it's two guys in a
six pack.

Speaker 10 (59:55):
We got six things to talk about.

Speaker 12 (59:56):
You and me our first sip as it were, as
you know last week, because their mouths are as big
as their egos. Word leaked from the Big Ten greedmeisters
about a twenty four to twenty eight team college football
playoff format. Well, I was news to the SEC and
I guess everybody else. Supposedly, as you've talked about Big
Ten Commission Tony Petitti once and entitled seven automatic qualifiers

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qualifiers for the Big Ten and SEC, five for the
ACC and Big twelve group of six. You'll get two
and like it, and then there'll be two more at
large spots, all to which this college football fan says,
read my finger actually read both of them here. I
got to call you know, and I know ross Byorke,
who's the athletic director up at Ohio State. I know

(01:00:41):
him from UCLA days and at WK you.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
I got to call him about this. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (01:00:45):
First of all, if you want to do that, many
teams do what the athletic Sam con Junior said. This
is what the FCS or one double A conferences have
done for years. Twenty four qualifying teams. They do ten
conference champions, then the rest are at large chosen by
a committee. Top eight get first round by the other
sixteen play each other, and for your one double or
one A teams, you have power for winners plus champs

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from the American MAC Conference, USA, Mountain, west Pac, twelve,
Sun Belt, and ten or twelve at largest, which I'm
sure the Big ten and SEC would likely end up
claiming sounds fun and fair. Then of course you'd be
saying adios to probably all the bowl games or a
bunch of the big ones and tradition, maybe even some
ESPN dollars as well. My advice would be to stick

(01:01:29):
to the twelve team format. Now, it's not broken, But
as one CFP exec told CBS Sports, quote, we sound
like immature children throwing garbage at the wall. Unquote, that's
because you are immature and greedy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Oh man, that's a lot to unpack. Well, first of all,
uh yeah, it's not just one double A, but it's
D two, D three there. Playoff fit Matt exactly is
just what you describe. But let me tell you, I
was surprised to hear this. I actually heard it from
hal mummy, But I as heard from Roy Kidd and
some of the folks at EKU. Yeah, that's the format
and they don't like it, but they're stuck with it.

(01:02:06):
And as they described it, as soon as you find
out on Sunday, if you're in or Monday, now you're scrambling.
You're scrambling for what they used to call game film,
video tickets, travel hotel. I mean, all that stuff is
crammed into such a small window. And we're talking about
schools that don't have an army of people in what's

(01:02:29):
essentially the front office working on that stuff. You got
people with all kinds of different jobs. And oh, by
the way, take care of our playoff situation. So but
and as you know, because WKU, your alma mater, was
one to double A for the longest I won the title. Yeah,
it starts immediately. Yep, it starts. You know, you finish

(01:02:50):
your season. Hey, next week it's playoff and week after
week after week. Well do you think the college football
playoff people will allow that? No, I'll spread it out
until February probably so they can pick and choose and
cherry pick the broadcast dates and all that stuff. No,
it would be a nightmare just for that reason alone.

(01:03:11):
But no, they're they're they're trying to kill the goose
that has laid the proverbial golden egg, and they're aspiring
to something that will just make it worse.

Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
Which every great, every great point you just brought up
about what Roy Kidd and Hal said is all the
more reason.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
To keep it at twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah, yeah. And by the way, to your point, it
might it would be fun for us, the media, for
the fans, order it wouldn't be fun for the players
and coaches. And they pretend like they care about that,
but they don't.

Speaker 12 (01:03:44):
There's not twenty four teams capable of winning a national championship,
and you're talking about max adding mediocre teams to a
mediocre schedule of games. Forget it, second swig in our
six packs. So the twenty twenty five college football season
and officially kicks off this Saturday, aka Week zero college

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football without the calories and must watch games. I guess, well,
unless you're a Toppers fan or a lump like me,
that's coming up Saturday night. But before that, high noon, Dublin,
Ireland esp A number twenty two, Iowa State, number seventeen,
Kansas State, and a big Big twelve showdown over there. Then,
of course, seven o'clock Saturday night, my WKU Toppers opened

(01:04:25):
the season at home against another conference USAFO SAM Houston.
Western's a ten point favorite last glance, and it's going
to be on TV CBS Sports Net starting at seven
o'clock Eastern, and Western is importing another offense like a
lot of schools are doing. They're bringing in gun slinging
quarterback Maverick mac ivor and his offensive coordinator Rick Bowie

(01:04:45):
from FCS Ablene Christian, where Maverick passed for three eight
hundred and forty seven yards and thirty t d's last year,
including a memorable five hundred and six yard.

Speaker 10 (01:04:55):
Three TD day against Texas Tech in an overtime loss.
Last year.

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
Bowie was OC at Valdosta State, where we heard that
school before before Abilene and the hope down in the
Hill Dick is that the Toppers can recreate the import
magic of four years ago when Bailey Zappi and offensive
coordinator Zach Kittley came to Bowling Green from Houston Baptist
and all they did was go on to lead the
nation in passing in twenty one.

Speaker 10 (01:05:22):
I think I'll be watching that Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Yeah, and you know, Zappi is still alive in the
in the NFL and the city playing for a job.
So is Mike White, who also finished his career at WKU.
And it looked fairly good. And we'll talk about exhibition
games coming up. But it is fun to see those
guys still playing and playing well in the NFL. What
is it about WKU? They like opening college football seasons.

(01:05:47):
But here's a reminder. I watched that game last year
in Dublin with Georgia Tech and Florida State, right, and
the two things that I like watching it because of
all the externals, you know, my fat family in Ireland
and all that the TV product. But Georgia Tech spanked
Florida State, so we learned on day one that Georgia
Tech might be okay and they had a pretty decent season.

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Florida State terrible. That was the first clue that Florida
State is not your dad seminoles, or even our seminoles
from ten years ago.

Speaker 12 (01:06:19):
It was shocking, wasn't it. It really was our third
swig in the six pack. For over five decades now,
I have had an unwavering contempt for NFL preseason games,
and I can tell you exactly when it began. September tenth,
nineteen seventy one. Wow, that was when the Jets and
the Patriots played their sixth, sixth.

Speaker 10 (01:06:42):
And final exhibition game in Memphis. I can believe they
played a half dozen exhibition games back then. My brother
lived down in Memphis at the time. He got his
great seats to see.

Speaker 12 (01:06:51):
At least I thought for a few plays my favorite
NFL player in person, Broadway, Joe Namath. Only he was
no show Joe that day. He didn't play, and instead
we got back up al Woodhall fractured wrist and all
in the first half, and third stringer Bob Davis, who
I think is selling insurance now in the second. Obviously,
I'm still traumatized by this whole thing about that game,

(01:07:13):
and I can only imagine millions of other fans since
then are feeling the same way. Kind of swindled, kind
of suckered. I know it's a money grab for owners,
but is the spare change really worth losing key players
for an entire season in a meaningless game. Chargers have
already lost a key lineman for the year. Vikings lost

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former Trinity star and receiver Rondell Moore. He's out for
the year, trying to come back again. He lost him
on the first play of that game that they were
in with the Vikings. It's funny how colleges don't need
preseason games. I think we've clearly found out now that
these are ideas that have This is another idea that
has worn out its welcome, like daylight savings time and

(01:07:56):
Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
You know enough already.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Well, don't kid yourself. If colleges could get them, they
would play exhibition games, either in the spring or in
summer camp, because what coach doesn't want live reps against
other teams. But that's the format that a lot of
people are pushing for the NFL. Let's go with more
of these controlled scrimmages within practices and they're not actually games.

(01:08:23):
But Gary, here's the problem, if you want to look
at it this way. The Bears Bills preseason game on
Fox five point one million viewers, and this was a
thirty eight nothing blowout win by the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Awful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, it was a terrible game, but it was Fox's
biggest preseason audience in five years and an eleven percent
increase in audience from the comparable preseason game last year.
So again you got the network's making money, fans are
showing up, fans are watching. But now we've got the

(01:09:00):
factor gambling. If you do away with preseason games and
what are there now two or three, you're taking away
opportunities for the gambling companies, which are now in bed
with the NFL. Yep, so bring in cash. So you've
got the TV networks like them, the gambling companies like them,
and it looked like they were gonna go away sometime soon.

(01:09:22):
But now Gary, I think we're stuck with him for
a while. I gotta admit I've been watching them. I
will recorded and watched the Bengals last night. I want
to see Chris Rodriguez for the Commanders against Well yeah,
good game, Yeah, but I wish they could figure this out.

Speaker 10 (01:09:38):
It's like, I know it's crap, but I'm watching.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Oh. In my experience, when I first moved to Dallas
in eighty three, the Packers played the Cowboys in an exhibition.
I bought a ticket and no media patches, and I
sat under that hole in the roof in the hot sun, thinking,
who are these guys?

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
I have never heard of these guys. I didn't care
for the cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Who are my?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Who are these guys? And I told myself I will
never ever do this again.

Speaker 10 (01:10:06):
Fourth swig in the six pack.

Speaker 12 (01:10:08):
The now toothless or near toothless NCAA last week gave
Michigan a little but expensive slap on the wrist for
stealing coaches signs during games over multiple years, something any
fan in the stands can do on your phone. By
the way, but there's no postseason ban and certainly no
twenty twenty three football championship vacated. Unlike Louisville's basketball Natty

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ten years before that, Cards didn't steal signs for multiple years,
nor did the Cardinals have fake classes like North Carolina
did for nearly.

Speaker 10 (01:10:39):
Two decades now. But they're okay with that. Just strippers.
What's the big deal. You know they're gonna go to
strip club anyway.

Speaker 12 (01:10:47):
So if schools like Michigan and you and c got
off easier, if Reggie Bush can get his heisman back,
which he did given that climate and with apparently cooler heads,
I ask you, is it just a matter of time anymore?
Not if, but when U of L gets its championship
and banners restored. There's a lot of talk over here
saying that this is the time to go after him

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and it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Well it should be, because you know from jump, I
did not think that the punishment fit the crime when
it came to U of L, not just you know,
through the prison we have now. It didn't fit it
back then. But the committee members were so appalled by
what happened. And keep in mind, it wasn't the strippers
saying entirely, it was the FBI investigation. It was really
sordid when they were, you know, buying people basically, but

(01:11:33):
again they should have been penalized. And I do like
what they did with Michigan because it doesn't harm the
players who are and coaches who are there now that
weren't involved with it. But it hit them in the wallet,
and that's where you need to hit schools now, especially
given the fact that they're looking for these revenue streams.
They hit them for thirty million dollars. That's a lot
of money, you know, And I used to think, well,

(01:11:55):
hit him again with scholarship limitations, but again that harms
the team on the field in the future that had
nothing to do but.

Speaker 12 (01:12:02):
They need these penalties Fitzwig and the six pack. So
Major League Baseball this past weekend had their players weekend
Friday through Sunday. For anybody who doesn't know, that's where
once a year, Once a year, Major League Baseball relaxes
the rules on gear like bats and catchers, equipment and
cleats and so on, so players can say, either promote
a cause or just showcase their fun side. And I've

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posted some pictures of some of the more fun bats. Yeah,
nine to five to five Gary. So from twenty seventeen
to nineteen, they actually had not only that stuff, but
they had special uniforms with the nicknames on the back.

Speaker 10 (01:12:34):
Remember those, yep, but not anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:12:36):
Apparently they and the fans were having too good a time,
and of course, come Sunday night, this past Sunday night,
Major League Baseball said, Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:12:43):
Enough with the fun.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
You had some fun. I hope it was fun.

Speaker 12 (01:12:46):
I just get back to your regular bats and your
regular necklaces and earrings and tattoos, and no more wacky
bats that look like pencils. Well, well, what if those
pencil bats had a bunch of hits at them over
the weekend? Yeah, Andy, pae has the die did real
well with his or you know, the Crazy Catchers kit
made some of the players more relaxed and played better.

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Pete Rose told me years ago in the dug out
of Dodger Stadium, you got to be loose to play
this game. You cannot be uptight. Doesn't matter where you
hold the bat, as long as you're okay with it
in the batter's box. And many think Major League Baseball
could maybe adopt a few ideas from the real America's
baseball team, Savannah Bananas. Maybe do players weekends once a month.

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I ask you, would that be fun or would that be.

Speaker 10 (01:13:30):
Too much fun?

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Well, the Major League Baseball needs to do everything it
can to bring fans back to the ballpark, and this
might be a good way to do it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:39):
Sixth and final swig. Stupid ideas in college football, Dick
are not limited to the Big Ten In the SEC.
Oklahoma will now allow two fans to actually sit in
on a postgame news conference for a price. I know
we already have some fans with notepads in there, but
let's go on with this. Like all college is desperate
for new revenue. After the house settled and Oklahoma has

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created something called Sooner Magic Memories out of the Disney playbook.
It sounds like one of which is quote exclusive postgame
media access for you and one guest, and see where
real time reactions unfold here owe you. Coaches and players
address reporters moments after the final whistle unquote what could
go wrong?

Speaker 10 (01:14:19):
Hey, that's a stupid question.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
You're an idiot reporter.

Speaker 10 (01:14:22):
Leave that, Leave the player along, get off his back.

Speaker 12 (01:14:24):
Man for the September sixth game at Michigan. That would
cost some inebriate six hundred ninety two dollars eleven cents
to sit in for the SEC home opener September twentieth
versus Auburn five hundred and seventy six dollars and eighty
six cents. Those are weird prices. Some other Magic memories
include a high five tunnel, game ball delivery and halftime
field access. I ask you did, Gabriel, Who've sat in

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on more press conferences than there are press people? Are
we that far away from, say, I don't know, letting
a fan drop a few hundred grand to actually call
a play?

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Oh, it's all about It's all about revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Streams.

Speaker 10 (01:15:01):
Oga bucks are mighty are mighty magical.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
And by the way, this has been going on, not
the selling of it at UK for years and years.
There are boosters in the postgame press conferences and hey,
what do you call it at Rupperina when Mark Pope
is out there. This was started by Patino addressing literally
thousands of people on this postgame radio show. Oklahoma is
late to the dance. We'll come back with more from

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Gary Moore in just a minute on six thirty WLAP
Welcome back time for a couple of hot reads for
our Western Bureau chief Gary Moore. Gary Archie Manning said
a while back that arch will not consider the twenty
twenty six NFL draft, in other words, saying he'll be
back for another year of college football. Arch Manning has said,

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not so fast, my friend. He said, I don't know
where Grandpa got that, but I'm open to anything. He
basically told Archie, mind you business?

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Yeah, what about this pushback? What should we believe?

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
Well, i'd be Archie.

Speaker 12 (01:16:01):
Well, first of all, it's crazy to even speculate for
the game game one, much less the entire seasons even played.
What if he has a horrible season, you know? Yeah,
and again and Archie sent him a oop. Sorry, I
kind of overstep there. I sent him a little apology.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
On that, But no, I he could.

Speaker 12 (01:16:18):
But you know, if he did come out, he might
depending on the year. Again, it's just all gon depend
on what happens. Is there's a few other quarterbacks, not
as I don't think as good as a season as
it has been the last few years or draft wise,
but I kind of think he's going to stick around.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
This is the guy who is projected to be a
first team All American or second team depending on a
kid at Clemson and the overall number one pick and
couldn't win the starting job at Texas last year.

Speaker 10 (01:16:42):
I was gonna say, what, how did he do last year?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Yeah? Yeah, not so much. But it reminds when Archie
came out and said Eli will not play in San Diego,
winds up in New York, wins a couple of Super Bowls,
So you never know our hot rey number two. More pushback.
The Colts have named the Indianapolis Colts named Daniel Jones,
who failed in New York with the Giants, the starter

(01:17:05):
because Anthony Richardson can't stay healthy, just isn't quite getting
it done and his agent came out with something of
a warning or a strongly worded of a statement about
the Colts and said, by all accounts, anthony'said a great camp.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Show me an.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Account that said that Anthony Richardson had a great camp. Look,
they gambled on this guy and anybody ere saw Kentucky.
Yet he had some great moments at Florida, where he
never played a full season, But his final year there Kentucky,
which wasn't a great defense, but a good one, made
him look bad in a home field loss in the Swamp.

(01:17:43):
But the Colts rolled the dice and they've come up
snake eyes every time so far with Richardson, who, by
the way, kind of pushed back against his agent's comments. Instead,
I'll just keep working hard.

Speaker 12 (01:17:55):
What should we make of this, I say the agent, Well,
then tell your guy not to tap out and weak
eight because he was too tired to go into.

Speaker 10 (01:18:02):
The next play. Remember that yep against Texas?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:18:05):
Gee.

Speaker 12 (01:18:05):
In that case, maybe the whole line, the offensive line
should tap out. Yeah, we've been blocking for you the
whole time, so we're just going to take out and
take a breather on this. They should have never drafted
to begin with. Unfortunately the man who did draft him
is no longer with us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, literally no longer with us. But again, talented guy
needed another year at Florida at least, yeah, and might
need another year to get himself right where the colts
if you can ever stay healthy. I think he does
have a bright future. Gary Moore has a bright future
because he joins us every week here on the Big

(01:18:38):
Blue Insider. Can help me hope, Western Buach. Where can
we find you when you're not on our airwaves.

Speaker 12 (01:18:44):
Either down at the hill at WKU or at nine
to five to five Gary on the Mighty X.

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
Where you're at.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
At Big Blue Insider? One, thank you sir, and the
best of luck to your toppers go toppers, And that'll
do it for now. As always, my thanks to our
Wednesday lineup, Cole from the Cat's Pause, Gary Moore and
of course the unforgetable Guard Sean Woods. Now next week
on Monday begins the Mark Stoops Coaches Show as well
as BBN Radio, so that means our state wide show

(01:19:11):
will come to you on Monday nights at eight o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
So Cole will shift over.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
To the Monday show along with Billy Rutledge and Jeff
Bacaorral when we can wrangle him in there. So it
all gets cranking next week for the very first Mark
Stoop Show of the season, followed by our lineup of
other programs that night.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
So it's going to be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
And tomorrow night's speaking of fun, Derek Ramsey will join us,
the former UK quarterback still a quarterback in my book.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
That's it. Thank you so much for joining us. Good
night from the garage in Lexington.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Thompson. Yeah, do you know what I'm gonna do?

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
No, I don't. I'm going to take a bath.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
And the media.

Speaker 11 (01:20:01):
Such such tact taking the show anything then anything do

(01:20:45):
anything on such back such don't tack.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
And I think.

Speaker 11 (01:21:12):
Back from typing the don

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
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