2025-09-30 BBI

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Big Blue Insider to Gabriel with you
Tuesday edition of our program. This week it's Georgia week,
the Wildcats heading down to Athens. It's not an easy
place to play, as we all know, Rich Brooks had
a team that won there, but since then the Dogs
under Kirby Smart have become national powers, couple of national titles.
But coming off of lost to Alabama, that's the worst possible.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Thing that could have happened to the Wildcats.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
On Saturday, next to the lost to South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
But got to play it. It's a noon. That's a plus.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Because the crowd will not have a chance to be
as amped up, if you will, as stoked as it
was two years ago when the Wildcats went down there
and played in what I thought was the best environment
at a Georgia Kentucky game that I've ever seen in Athens.
We've seen a couple of good ones here and this
is I go back to a few years ago in Kentucky.

(00:53):
With a win over Georgia could have put itself in
a position to go to the SEC title game. But
generally down to Georgia, it's good. It's homecoming a lot
of times with Kentucky, but it wasn't as electric as
it was last time we covered a game there. They
had the new lights, and again it was a night game,
so everybody had all kinds of time to party, and

(01:16):
Kentucky did not play well. You know, you go back
to the Linn Boden year when he was pressed into
services quarterback and that game was nothing nothing at halftime
because of all the rain, and Kentucky could have had
a lead, but Chris Rodriguez dropped a wide open touchdown
pass when it would have been seven to nothing at
the half. Kentucky ended up losing that one twenty one

(01:38):
nothing the final, But I always wondered about what it
looked like to the rest of the sec when the
halftime score went up and it said Georgia nothing, Kentucky nothing.
People had to be scratching their heads. Anyway, Yeah, Kentucky
has one down there, but it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
It was a Rich Brooks era.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's going to be tough. Let's face it. On Saturday,
you saw and listened to the Wildcats losing to South
Carolina game Kentucky might have won. It wasn't a could
have one, should have won, but it would have been.
It was a might have won game, but everything would
have had to have gone right for Kentucky, and of
course when they gave away two touchdowns, that was it.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
You know, it just changed the pace of the.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Game, changed the way the Wildcats had to play in
the second half more than anything, because you know, it
was a low possession game. I think Stoops pointed out yesterday,
each team only had the ball eight times because both
teams grounded out. Even though South Carolina made some big plays,
I thought the Kentucky defense did fairly well, especially on

(02:38):
first and second down.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
It was they just couldn't get off the field on
third down.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And that was a nod to Leonora Sellers, of course,
the South Carolina quarterback. But yeah, when Kentucky gave away
two quick touchdowns, you can't do that in the SEC
against anybody, not even well we say this now, but
especially now a Vanderbilt. But you know, any team in
the league's going to take advantage of two free touchdowns.

(03:02):
And South Carolina took absolute command of that game after
scoring two times on defense in three plays. And if
you were listening, Jef Picorro pointed this out after Kentucky's
opening touchdown drive, and I mean Kentucky march right down
the field, did everything it intended to do going into

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this game, and it silenced the crowd. And you know
from watching Kentucky South Carolina down there through the years,
and we certainly talk about it at length, that's a
difficult place to play because they get so loud, the
configuration of the stadium and the music and the fans
and all that when they're up and when it's happening
for the game Cocks, it's hard to hear yourself think.

(03:46):
But Kentucky took the crowd out of the game. Carolina
came right back scored, but then Kentucky did the same thing,
marched down the field, kicked the field goal, but then
the madness began and after that it was all South Carolina.
So now you have to ask yourself what lies ahead
for the Wildcats. Well, if things keep going the way

(04:07):
they are now. Sadly, of course, not a lot of wins,
and the natives are awfully wrestless, although I read on
Twitter on the way home where it seems like more
apathy than sadness setting in and that's not good either,
because that means fans aren't going to turn out for
your games. Kentucky's not back home for a couple of weeks.
But this is the brutal part of the schedule that

(04:29):
when we were trying to figure out how many wins
run this season for the Wildcats, when you look at
this stretch of games with Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
You're wondering, can they get any of these?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
They'd better get Ole missed, they'd better get South Carolina,
maybe they can get Florida. Well, they missed opportunities, of
course with the first two. So this team may be
limping home this year, which is going to once again
rev up the conversation about Mark Stoops and his future
and Marks or He has a column in the Herald
Leader on Kentucky dot com about Stoops in his contract

(05:06):
and the fact that you might recall a few years
ago they re signed him to that big deal and
made him one of the highest paid coaches in America.
And the very next game a few days later, Wildcats
lose to Vanderbilt twenty four to twenty one, and it
was not the Diego Pavia Vanderbilt and the Wildcats since

(05:27):
then as starting with that Vandy game fourteen and nineteen
overall six and nineteen versus Power Conference teams. Now, does
one have anything to do with the other. I don't
think so, because there are people who will say, well,
you know, Stoops didn't really care anything now except for
about the money.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, I don't buy that at all.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
But I do believe that Kentucky's problem right now if
you go back and look at his most successful teams,
a lot of those kids off those teams in the NFL.
Now you have to ask yourself how many kids on
this year's team will be NFL prospects we'll get to

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just to an NFL camp. I'm not talking about making
the team. That's a bit, that's the longest of long shots.
But just get to a camp, you have to wonder
how many will make it. In other words, what is
the talent level now for Kentucky football? Well, it's not
what it used to be. And I bring this up
in part because I have seen an awful lot again

(06:29):
in social media about the quote unquote Mark Stoops offense.
I keep seeing that phrase and I wonder what it is,
and literally it's whatever offense they're playing in the Mark Stoops.
But to me, I take it to mean people believe
that it's the offense that Mark Stoops wants to run.
Mark Stoops is conceived that he's calling plays of some sort,

(06:53):
and the answer is absolutely not, because when you go
back and look at the history of OC's under Mark Stoops,
it is so certainly checkered, to be sure, but you've
got guys coming and going for other jobs, better jobs,
or guys who have been let go. But of course
you start with Neil Brown. That was a form of
the air raid. Neil moves on to be a head coach,

(07:14):
brings in Shannon Dawson, who's a hot property now because
of the OC at Miami, which is very successful. Does
that make him a potential head coach?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I don't know if Shannon Dawson wants to be a
head coach or if he has what it takes to
be a head coach, and that is to be able
to successfully run a program, but probably give up play calling.
There are many head coaches who call plays offensively or defensively,
at least not successfully.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
So Stoops realizes that was.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Not a good fit after twenty fifteen losing season and
they let him go. So now what happens, Well, they're
bringing Eddie Grant and now there's success. But people eventually
got tired of Eddie Grant. They were complaining about him.
Even though that Lynn Bowden year I talked about was

(08:04):
a season of brilliance for Eddie Grant and Darren Henshaw,
the guys they brought in from Cincinnati who had won
a top five offense in the country, and what they
did with Lynn Bowden was remarkable, that team getting to
and winning the Belt Bowl. But ultimately he moves on
from Eddie Grant brings in Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen has

(08:26):
a great season with Will Levison company, but then he
leaves for a better job. Now here comes Rich Gangarello.
That was a mistake, another NFL assistant. So in theory,
that's good, but his offense was way too complicated. He
refused to simplify it. Plus he has Will Levis and

(08:47):
one of the first things he does is take away
the run game from Levis. No quarterback runs and don't scramble,
be like an NFL quarterback. Okay, well, he stays in
the pocket with a substandard offensive line. Remember all those
old linemen who left for NFL camps, they're gone. Now
Levis is getting the tar beaten out of him, and
he's injured, and they have a substandard year. So Skangarello's gone.

(09:11):
After your back, comes Cohen and he ups and leaves
in a surprising He had pledged that he would stay
with Mark Stoops, but he didn't. He took off and
Stoops was unhappy about it. So now here comes bush
Hamdan and I still don't know what his offense is
all about it because in part they're still trying to
put together a good offensive line. And I think the

(09:33):
old line struggled again. Well you saw it against South Carolina.
In fact, Mark Stoops talked about it as well. Especially
the old tackles couldn't handle the South Carolina edge rushers
very well.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
We struggled at times, you know, technique wise, you know,
assignment wise, we were pretty good, you know, for the
majority of the night. You have to be one hundred
percent though, and we weren't that in technique wise. Some
guys were, you know, fighting it a bit, you know,
in a bit off and can play better.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
And they need to, especially this week, to protect Cutter
Bolli from the Georgia pass rush. And if Georgia can
stop the Kentucky runner. If Kentucky has to abandon the
run to get back into the game at some point,
then Georgia will do what South Carolina did, and that's
the proverbial pin the years back and go after the quarterback.
And that's what happened with Cutter. He had no time
to throw the ball, which meant the receivers had no

(10:29):
time to get open and get some separation. And people
wondered about Stoops and Cutter. I saw them interact after
the game. They're fine, but Cutter was not fine during
the game. And it was a heck of a learning experience.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know, we have to play better around them to
give them that time. And you know with the you know,
the first turnover, with the protection, there's things we could
do better there, and you know, so Cutter will get better.
The nice thing about him is very resilient and has
a strong belief in himself, and the players believe in
him as well.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Play better around him, meaning everybody do your job, and
especially the old line.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
You've got to give him a clean pocket, which he
rarely had against South Carolina. And now comes Georgia, which,
like most Georgia teams of recent past.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
They got a little bit of everything.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Good at all levels of the defense, disruptive, strong guys
up front, linebackers that could run, and very good cover guys.
And offensively, a typical Georgia team, very big, very physical,
run the ball extremely well, and a quarterback that operates
within that Mike Bobo offense very effectively and put a

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lot of stress on you. And I think they have
always been talented and very good, but I feel like
their receiver positions even gone up a notch this year.
Very talented players, so great challenge and another tough.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Environment and lucky basically a three touchdown underdog. But that's
what happens when you go to Georgia and play a team,
as I said, cannot lose another game if they want
to win a national championship, so they will be focused
on the Wildcats.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You better believe it before we hit the break.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
One other note from campus, and that is Cassie O'Brien
is the SEC center of the week. Just a freshman,
led the Wildcats to a couple of sweeps, forty assists
in her first career SEC match in a win over
coincidentally enough, South Carolina, and then thirty four sists against Georgia.
Another coincidence and another sweep. So the Wildcats open up

(12:38):
SEC play at two and zero one match this week
Ole Miss in Oxford on Friday Night. That will be
on the SEC Network and the ESPN app up. Next,
we'll talk a little Ryder Cup. Yeah, it wasn't pretty
in more ways than one. A little bit later on
Maggie Davis of BBN Tonight, Def Drummond of Cats Illustrated,
and Derek Terry from Batcats Central. Yeah, we're going to

(13:00):
talk a little Kentucky baseball here on the Big bluon
Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big bluon
Sider coming up in just a few minutes. Maggie Davis
of BBN Tonight, Jeff Drummond from Cats Illustrated, Derek Terry
from Batcat Central. I should point out as well, we
were talking about Mark Stoops and coaching and all that.
You know, Arkansas fired its coach.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
That was about.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Timing and the way wins and losses were tied to
his contract. So both parties came to an amicable decision
as to when Sam Pittman was going to be released,
and he was, and they worked out the buyout and
now Bobby Petrino is the interim head coach and being
called a candidate for the job.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He was there before, as you know.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Was successful, but then got caught in a big lie
and Jeff Long fired him. The former EKU assistant at
the time, the former EKUAD at that point, the ad
at Arkansas, and Patrino worked his way back to Arkansas
and now he's the head coach in waiting, or at
least the interim head coach, and has fired three defensive assistants.

(14:05):
How about that, he's already fired three assistant coaches and
promoted defensive line coach to be the interim defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
So keep an eye on Arkansas for now.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Baseball playoffs starting today already. My apologies, we pre record,
so I can't tell you what's been going on all day,
but I can tell you the Reds play the Dodgers tonight.
If you're a Reds fan, you sure know that, and
you know that Hunter Green is on the bump for
the Reds taking on Blake Snell for the Dodgers. The
Reds have not won a playoff series since nineteen ninety,

(14:37):
but hey, they made it and they are rolling right now.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
They're kind of hot.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But Dodgers I think have way too much talent. But
anything can happened. So Red's Dodgers tonight at nine pm
on ESPN. A couple of NFL notes last night. You know,
the Bengals look terrible in losing to the Broncos. Miami
wins but loses Tyreek Hill multiple ligament tears and a

(15:04):
dislocated knee in MetLife Stadium, which Odell Beckham Junior tweeted
calling it death Life. There have been eight players who
go down with major injuries on that artificial turf. Players
have been begging the Giants and whoever owns that stadium,
whoever's in charge, to replace it. The Athletic two years

(15:26):
ago did the survey of NFL players. Eighty three percent
said they would rather play on grass than turf. And
it's gone on deaf ears and now another major player,
another big star, is going to you know what, one
thing I read said he's going to need multiple surgeries
and Tyreek Hill may not be available even next season.

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So you got to think that might prompt some action
in New York. All right, Ryder Cup. I did not
have a chance to watch much of it as I
was traveling over the weekend, and when I could watch,
I was watching football. But I know what happened. I
know the Americans didn't play well until Sunday almost pulled
it out but did not. And I heard about and

(16:11):
read about the heckling and the.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Crowd back and forth.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You can dismiss this as being a New York thing
up at Bethpage on Long Island, but it got out
of hand, and it's unfortunate because and even the mc
A comedian Heather McMahon could be seen on social media
jeering and cursing at Rory McElroy and later on apologized.
But the key moment, of course, came when Rory lashed

(16:37):
out at the crowd. He'd had enough and fired back
because yeah, you know, that's part of the Ryder Cup
and I like this, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
The heckling of jeering during play, but not during.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
The guy's backswinger, not when he's addressing the ball. That's
where people lost their minds. It got out of hand
and Rory finally had had enough.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
That talkers look at taste, McElroy finally saying, guys, shut
the bleep up, and not a good look for anybody.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
But imagine what it took to bring him to that.
He has played in Ryder Cup competitions before, and he
said he likes the back and forth with the fans.
He said, that's that's part of what the Ryder Cup
is all about.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
But it just went too far.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I wondered if it was because the Americans were playing
so poorly, not that this is an excuse and fans
were frustrated. But McLeroy said, I don't mind him having
a go at us. That's to be expected. That's what,
in a way, Ryder Cup is. That's what he told
BBC Sport. But he said, when they're still doing it
while you're over the ball trying to hit your shot,

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that's the tough thing.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
He said.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
In between shots, say whatever you want to me, that's fine,
but give us the respect to let us hit shots,
give us the same chance that the Americans have.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
And the one thing he didn't mention, at least not
in the what I read was somebody dumped a beer
on his wife. There were two spectators taken away and
I don't know if that was why, but at one
point somebody dumped a beer on McElroy's wife and there
was a local guy charged with two misdemeanors. He stole

(18:28):
a golf cart on the n authorized use of a
motor vehicle, criminal possession of stolen property. So that guy
went to jail. It got out of hand, It crossed
the line. Let's hope it doesn't happen next time. All right,
up next, Maggie Davis of bb in Tonight l EX
eighteen here on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the

(18:48):
Big Blueingsider. Joining us down our celebrity Eieline as miss
Maggie Davis, co host of bb in Tonight you see
it on LX eighteen. Before we talk about the Cats, Maggie,
we need to talk about the colonel because over the
weekend with the Wildcats out of town, you slipped over
Richmond and works with Mekau events including Eku's football game.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Another home win.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
There they win and the kid, don't they They are
very proud of a nine game win.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Streak, nine game win streak about the kid right now.
Got the chance to talk to Walt Wells about that
after the game. I don't think knew that number off
the top of his head, but certainly, like you said,
proud of that winning streak. Very grateful for the fans
who came out, and as somebody covering that game who's
spent the majority of my time covering Kentucky football and
Kentucky athletics in general, getting to cover the Colonels was awesome.

(19:35):
But it was also kind of a crazy ending a
sentence I never thought I would say, Veto Tisdale picks
off Deuce Hogan to win the game, kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
And the king on the sidelines, you know, Nichol's former
women's basketball start here at Kentucky. Very Deduce ho good now,
so she was over on the Nickels sideline even though
she's like forty minutes away from her hometown when she's
on the EKAU campus. So yeah, a lot of really
fun connections in that one, and a really great game.
I mean, defense told the story for EKU early on,
but they finally got it going a little bit on

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offense to there in the second half with Miles Burkeett,
the fourth year quarterback, so that they looked good.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Nichols scores on a screenplay, like three plays in they
go sixty yards.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You had to be.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Wondering, Oh, what's happening? Here, but they shut him down
after that, didn't they.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Yeah, it was really impressive, honestly. I mean, defense has
been the strength of EKU this entire season. They call
it the Maroon Doom for a reason, and they played
like it. The more stumbles interception. Vito Tisdale earlier in
the year had a pick six against Louisville. I believe
that was their season opener, So, I mean, they've had
those really great moments on defense. So you felt like,
even though they gave up that early one to Nichols,

(20:48):
Like you said, just a couple of plays from the
first lineup of scrimmage, you felt like defense would keep
them in the game. But you just you never know.
You hadn't really seen it from this offense yet. But
to be fair, that Nichols offense was really in a
similar position. Both teams had relied on their defense a
lot heading into this matchup. So this was the game
where Eku's offense got to go in at least a

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lot more than the Nickels offense eventually did, and that's
how they came away with a big win.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Eku's a little bit or a lot like UK when
it comes to offense. They had to rebuild an o line, they've.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Got a new starter or a quarterback. You know.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's it's funny how they've they've kind of lived parallel existences.
But Ekus won two out of three on the one double.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
A level, right, Yes, Yeah, And they've had a tough
schedule to this point, and it's kind of a little
late end of the year to just now be getting
into your conference play. But that's really kind of where
they find themselves off a bye week this week and
then hosting Austin P really their last big traditional rival
that is still in their conference. Obviously, they're one of
those schools has gone through several different iterations of conference

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realignment at this point. But for Austin p to still
be in the same conference as EKAU, I think that
has a chance to be a really good one here
in the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, well, we're talking to Maggie Davis would be and
I let's shift over to the Wildcats. I don't know
how much chance you had to see Kentucky by the
time you got home Saturday. I'm sure you watched tape
and you've been working on the shows and all that stuff,
but yeah, it was just a frustrating night again down
in Columbia again, you know, gifting two touchdowns to South Carolina,

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and the tenor of that game changed in a heartbeat,
didn't it.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
It did? And I missed that initially, So obviously that's
what I was. On the sideline of kau Nickols. I
have my Apple Watch on, but I'm not really paying
attention to it, but I'm getting all sorts of vibrations
of notifications or whatever. And then I get out of
there after the UK you gave wraps up and it's
just about halftime. I get in the radio in time
to listen to you interview coach Soups. Oh wow, here

(22:44):
Tom and Jeff talking a little bit about like the
crazy lateral. It was funny like they were so confident
all UK was going to try to do was get
that pass interference call, and I was fully bought in
on that, and obviously I'd not seen or really heard
very much of anything that happened before that. And then
I log onto the iHeart radio app just in time
to hear then talk about the insane kind of like lateral.

(23:06):
One second left on the clock before halftime. You talking
to coach Soups. And then I get home in time
to watch the second half live. I did go back
and I watched the first half Monday morning in the office.
So frustrating, I think is the perfect word. I think
that's the word that coach Stoops would probably say himself
if you've got him on a little truth screum, maybe
even without that, because I think he's even said that
a couple times this week. To me, that the extra

(23:29):
frustrating thing is that the word again seems to be execution.
We heard that postgame from Stoops, we heard it from
Brad White, we heard it from some of the players,
and I completely understand where they're coming from. It is
it does come down to that, and it's hard to
oversimplify it, but it does feel like we're reading a
story that we've read before, and the execution being the

(23:50):
main issue at the end of another game is why
it is frustrating.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
To your point, Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know the pick six comes on a slant that
sales on cutter Bowl and Law gets one hand on it,
you know, and tough to bring that pass in, but
you know how it goes when you tip a pass
and now it's anybody's football and number three defenders if
it's lower law makes that catch and he's close to

(24:15):
a first down, but instead it sticks the other way.
So that's just the fine line in the SEC role anywhere. Really,
you know, you just can't make mistakes, especially on the
road against a decent team. I don't think South Carolina
is a great team by any means. They've got some
really good players, but they're good enough to take advantage
of your mistakes, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
They are, And they have a quarterback who's good enough
that he has takes one playoff. I mean, he can
torch you. And we saw that happen a couple of times.
And I think that was, to go back to your
point of the word frustrating. That was the point in
the post gay press conference where you could just see
it all over Brad White's face, you know, like, I
didn't think the defense for the most part, had a tough,
a terrible night. I mean, they played better than the

(24:58):
offense obviously, such as the story of the season so far,
but they obviously gave up quite a few big chunk
plays that hurt them immensely, especially when you get it
to two scores and you're like, okay, is there a
little breath of life here. Could we see some kind
of a comeback or at least make it close, make
it manageable, make it a game down the stretch, and

(25:20):
then that's when you give up a big Lenora Sellar's run.
And it's just like mistackle, mis tackle and Brad White
after the game talking about that little RPO move. It
was something they had rest in practice over and over
and over again. And you know, credit to him, he
took accountability. I don't know that he needed to, because
it was very clear from the way he was speaking
about it that was something that was in the scout,

(25:42):
it was something they had gone over at practice. And
yet his kind of like talking point about that moment
after the game was, you know, that's on us as
coaches to make sure the players understand exactly what we're saying,
exactly what they're seeing, and exactly what to do in
those moments, because it was something they'd worked on in practice,
and then it was a moment that South Carolina took
advantage on game day.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
True, the thing that I keep coming back to, know,
having you know, seen him in person now twice Leonora's Sellers,
how do you rep that in practice? How do you
tell a scout team quarterback, Okay, you're the Nooriths Sellers.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're two forty. Your legs are like tree trunks.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You don't go down on first contact, you know, and
you run away from people, and you can throw on
the run almost as well as you can patting the
football in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
This kid's really good. That's not an excuse. That's just
what happened.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But it's awfully tough because I thought Kentucky when they
try to run between the tackles South Carolina, I thought
Kentucky did a nice job, especially on first down, but
it seemed like third and four, third and five, they
kept South Carolina kept converting, and it was a backbreaker.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
It was, and I think that goes back to something
else broad White that after the game was just like,
we do some good things, but we couldn't get off
the field. And to your point, yeah, you saw some
good stops, maybe out first down or slow them down.
It did by the time you're getting the third or fourth,
I mean, I think they converted maybe eight third downs,
and that's the number that's going to be too high
regardless of the opponent, but especially when you have a

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quarterback as dangerous as Leonora Sellers, who's able to create
not only for the guys around them, but for himself.
And that's something that we talked about the entire week
leading end of this game. I'm sure that was a
big vocal point in practice, but it is hard to
rep unless you have to know that that's what's going
to show up on game day. And Kentucky just didn't
have an answer for it, especially on those later downs.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, and South Carolina was two or four on fourth down,
by the way, you know, eight of fifteen or third
down had two more so, uh, nine out of or
rather yeah, nine out of late My maths is really bad.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Ten out of nineteen, so that ain't good.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
I went to a stage we don't work in mats.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's right, all.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, Well, we'll take a break, come back and talk
more football and some basketball with Maggie Davis.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Would be me in tonight here on six thirty WOLAP.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Welcome back, We're chatting with Maggie Davis. She is a
co host, the anchors a p and chief cook and
bottle washer for BBN Tonight. You see it on LAX
eighteen Monday through Friday with her Man at Keith Farmer
coming up Georgia never an easy trip. I was talking
earlier Maggie about the Lynn Bowden gamer. It was raining
like hell, and then it was nothing nothing at the

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half ended up being twenty one nothing, but Kentucky made
it interesting. But ordinarily Georgia does what it did two
years ago, and that's just kind of really handle things
and take advantage of every Kentucky mistake. And now they're
coming in off of loss to Alabama. Couldn't have been worse, right,
Oh yes.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Tough timing for Kentucky. Yeah, and this one. We had
top each of our show last night and we got
a pair of raise Mark Snoop sand You know, I
think the Georgia players probably woke up, like our players,
a bit mad today, you know, a bit in a
bad food. And you know my kind of take on
that was, I think their first home lot is six
years and it comes to an Alabama team that really

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didn't have a signa you win or have a big
defining moment, didn't have a fan base that was super
pleased with that coach at the moment, and yet they
go in there and be Georgia. It athens their first
home loss like I said in six years, I think
a bad mood might be putting it lightly. And so
now I don't know when the last time could have
possibly been that they've lost two in a row down home,

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down there at home, gosh, I mean, who knows, Maybe
it was like the nineties, the eighties, the seventies, I
don't know. George has been so good for so long
that it's absolutely one of the toughest places to play.
And I think you see that because we talk about
the Kentucky Georgia series so much, because a lot of
times it is on paper the toughest game on the schedule,
But then a lot of times too, we actually see

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Kentucky matchups pretty well with them, especially for the first,
you know, first half, sometimes in in the third quarter,
and then you see some mistakes happen, or you see
some physicality kind of wear on you. But I think
especially those games in Lexington have been really close. They
have not necessarily been close. Down there happens, and so
that'll be a big kind of turning point in this season,
I think, is can you prove that you can show

(30:03):
up it happens how you have historically in the games
e Lexi Kid, which was a good matchup because of
the kind of old school Kentucky right, like what we've
seen in the trenches, the big blue wall, the physicality,
ground and pound, the running gig. I don't think this
team is necessarily built like that. So I don't know
that they're necessarily going to match up the same way

(30:24):
in a positive way for BBN against this Georgia team.
But we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Well.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Of course, last year, Kentucky played Georgia as tough as
anybody in the country, played them to a one point
loss in that two week span, where then they turned
around an upset will miss and then it all went
out the window. So that's what was as puzzling as
anything about last year.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
But you just touched on a point.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I kind of touched on it earlier in the show,
Maggie in that you go back and look at his
best teams, the Mark Stuobes teams. A lot of those
guys are now in the NFL playing on Sunday or
at least got to camps. I wonder about the talent
level really over the last two or three years. I
don't know if clearly it comes back to recruiting evaluation, whatever.
But you know, so many people want to lay it

(31:05):
all at the feed of Mark Stoops. A he's doing
a bad job of coaching the Mark Stoops offense. There
really is no such thing. He leads it up to
the OCS. But I wonder are we expecting too much
from these teams of late, because you know, like you said,
the talent level isn't quite what it used to be.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
But I think it's fair to expect that you can
maintain a talent level that we've seen them maintain here,
and of course things change, and I think maybe the
adaptation hasn't necessarily been there since this nil rev share.
They're really sicked off like the first couple of years.
Maybe it's kind of like, okay, well, it's going to
take some time for everybody to figure out what's working here.

(31:47):
What made Kentucky so good, especially in those seasons where
they were winning nine game games in a year, it
really all started with that physicality. It started in the trenches.
To your point, It started with guys who are either
now in the NFL stale or had to stand in
the NFL made it to that levels to some extent,
but the majority of those guys didn't play their first two,

(32:09):
maybe even three years in Lexington. I mean we're thinking
about like the Darien Cunnard, the Luke Partners, the land
and young Drake Jackson. I mean, those kind of guys
were in that facility working with the same staff to
that point, they were working with the same offensive line.
So it's sad non farman for us their recruitment until
their graduation into their development into the NFL. And I

(32:31):
think we can't understate, we can't overstate I should say
the value of time and specifically development of those positions.
I think the quarterback, the wide receivers, the tight end.
You know, maybe that's different in the portal era. You
can go out there, you can get a really talented
stafety who can just totally envelop himself in your program
and pick it up and get going. But I think

(32:53):
from a physicality a mindset standpoint, even on that offensive line,
we've really not seen much to development there and I
think that's where a big chunk of the money went
this offseason. I think they got some pretty highly touted,
pretty sought after players, but we're not seeing guys who
have necessarily gotten a full graph of SEC football and

(33:14):
what it means to play on the O line at
Kentucky against these teams, and maybe they did great at
other schools, but it is a massive change to come
to this level week in and week out, and especially
now that we're through that first by week, there's only
one more and then there's such a long stretch of
SEC games here. I'm worried we're about to see a

(33:35):
little bit of wear and tear. It's going to show
the lack of depth in that group and in that
room specifically. That's where my biggest storry comes in in
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I think you're right on it with guys that are
learning now about playing in the SEC.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
But that's what they signed up for.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
If you minutes left with Maggie Davis and BB and today,
let me shift you over to Madness coming up and
I know that you guys in it. If it moves
on campus, you guys cover it. But that's going to
be a bit Yeah. A big night for bb and tonight,
isn't it. But this is another intriguing Marks Marks Shoes,
Mark Pope team where we know a little bit of

(34:13):
what he's got coming back, but we need to learn
these new guys, don't.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
We We do, And I think that's where some of
the fun of Big Blue Manu comes in. I don't
think anybody goes into it expecting to see like full
five on five. Let's like run and guns. See what
we have. Let me know why this is going to
be a Final four team. You just wanted to be fun,
you wanted to be entertaining, you want to be different
from other years. I think this daft did a really
good job of reading some life in the Big Blue

(34:38):
Mantess last year. I think they'll probably have some similar
tricks up their sleeves this year. So I'm excited just
from an entertainment standpoint, like it really is a tip
off the basketball season, and as much as everybody's going
to be excited to see to play on the court,
I think there's also a general awareness of what Big
Blue MANETs is and it's just supposed to be fun.
It's supposed to be a party. It's supposed to be

(34:59):
introduced these guys. Let me see some personality, let me
get excited for the season, and then we can get
into some some of this other stuff down the line.
And especially when you have to Purdue coming down for
what's going to be a massive game, even though it
is only an exhibition, just a couple of weeks after Madness.
I think this year's will really still ramped up for
the fans.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, I agree, And I think that the fact that
they came in and put in a good foundation when
it came to Pope and his staff and the way
they do things and the way he and he knew
he was going to hit it off with the fans,
they can almost pick up where they left off last year. Now,
not exactly with the roster, but fans who had got

(35:43):
that great feeling back about Kentucky basketball that hasn't wait.
In fact, it probably became even more intense in the offseason.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
You know, Yeah, I think so absolutely. And I think
an event that people might get a little more juiced
for this year that we're probably not talking about enough.
Maybe we will here the next speak or so is
this year's rendition of Pro Day. You know, Pro Day
was such a big deal, especially early on in the
Caliperi era, for him to say, yes, we're a program,
this is going to bring guys in and before we

(36:11):
even play a game, I can get scouts from all
thirty NBA teams in town to watch you practice. Yeah,
that was a big recruiting pitch and it sort of
turned into like everything else. Like the fans got excited
to watch it too, you know, like they put it
on the SEC Network Plus or whatever now and you
can stream it or watch our coverage of it or whatever.
But I think this year's and last year's team obviously
had one. I don't know how much you know, fans

(36:33):
necessarily got into it. I don't know that on paper,
especially before the season last year, people thought there were
a ton of NBA draft potential players on that roster, right,
So I don't know like what we necessarily learned from
Pro Day specifically. I think we actually learned more at Madness,
at the Blue White Scrimmage and in those exhibitions This year,
I think there are really several players who have real,

(36:57):
true NBA potential, and I think who are going to
be aiming for that in the next year, not the
next three years. So for me, I think seeing them
at Pro Day, seeing some of that athleticism, to me,
at least o paper, feels like an area where Pope
really kind of re evaluated what they were recruiting last
year and they went out and they got more athletics

(37:17):
players this year, guys who are going to be more
physical in the SEC, guys with some therefore and more
NBA potential. So to me, I think the actual Pro
Day sort of system that we weren't necessarily so engulfed
in last year could be really interested this year.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, they also had more time to go out and
get players, because it's you know, it was kind of
a rush job as remarkable. That's what made it even
more remarkable, you know. Plus players around the country got
a chance to see more of the way Mark Pope
does things at Kentucky as compared to well, what do
you know about this guy all he was at Brigham Young.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You know, it's about it.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
So I think you make a great point about Pro Day,
and I'm looking forward to it. She has Maggie Davis
bb in tonight Watcher on LAX eighteen, along with Keith
Farmer Monday through Friday.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Thank you, ma'am, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Coming up next in our number two, we'll chat with
Jeff Drummond off Cats Illustrated, about the football, Cats, about madness,
and about the Cincinnati Reds. Of course, as we said,
and as you know, are in the playoffs. Hey, how
about that playing the Dodgers tonight? And Jay Drum's a
big Reds fan, Steelers fan, but a Reds fan as well.
And we'll are also going to talk some baseball with

(38:24):
Derek Terry of Batcat Central. He was there for Kentucky
scrimmage on Sunday, as was I. The Black team versus
the Blue team, and a lot to like about this
upcoming Wildcat ball club. We're also gonna hear from Nick
Menzione coming up and hour number two as well. I
had a chance to talk to him after the scrimmage.
They play West Virginia in a scrimmage game up in Mason, Ohio,

(38:45):
just north of Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
That's at noon on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
They've got an exhibition game coming up Friday innsquad game
and then again Sunday, the twenty six an exhibition with
Morehead State. If you want to check him out, I
want to come on the Big One Sider. Our number
two is next six thirty.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
Telly late T, Welcome back to the Big Moon.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Sider joining us down our celebrity hotline is the guy
who's been covering a Wildcat for a long time. He's
also have been a Cincinnati Reds for a fan for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
That is mister Jeff.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Drummond of Cats Illustrated Jay Drumm wearing your Reds cap
was Pride yesterday at the Stoops news conference. So, you know,
we usually run out of time before we can talk baseball.
Let's do it right now. What do you think of
your boys' chances? They made it, they're in, they've got
a shot.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Right well, you know it depends on when you ask me.
I've got read renewed hope again all of a sudden,
and I kind of look at it this way. You know,
if they had to play the Dodgers in a seven
game series, I just don't think that they have the

(41:42):
depth of talent, you know, to went out against a
team like that in that setting. But if you give
me a three game series against the Dodgers and you
just have to find a way to win two, yeah,
you know, game one is huge. With a guy as
good as Hunter Green on the mountains, they find a

(42:03):
way to win game one. I think anything can happen,
but I think they have to have that first one
to do it.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, and you kind of jumped aha to be Hunter
Green going tonight, and he is of late the last
couple of seasons that he's been pitching like the Hunter
Green they hoped he would be when they signed him.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
Yeah, he's turned into everything they thought he would be.
He had the little I think it was a groin
injury his way through the season. It costs him about
probably eight to ten starts. It seems like it went
on for several weeks, longer than we had anticipated originally.

(42:43):
But if you take what he's done this season, what
he did last year prior to running into some injury issues,
you know, he's been just about as good as anybody
in the game. So I'm really excited to see what
he looks like on the big stage.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Well one more question before we get to football. Ellie
Dela Cruz is a guy that you pay to see.
I mean, you know, it's the kind of guy that
you just can't wait to see what he does next.
And I put him right up there with Paul Schemes
as the kind of guy that you just hope somehow

(43:23):
the home team can hang on to him.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
You know, are you optimistic about that?

Speaker 7 (43:31):
You know, I would say not not too optimistic, just
knowing the way that the agents operate in situations like this,
and a lot of people think that Cincinnati made a
mistake with Joey Vonda the last time they had a
chance to sign a superstar to a huge contract long term,

(43:55):
and it kind of came back bodying them a little bit.
It was the tail end of his career and the
numbers kind of, you know, dropped off pretty harshly the
older he got now, and they won't be getting old
anytime soon. But for a small market team like the Reds,

(44:18):
I just don't know if they can put a ton
of money into one guy and expect to have a
lot of success. But you know, there's going to be
tremendous pressure too because he's a fan favor. Yeah, and
if you don't make that effort and put a legit
offer out there, at least the fans are going to

(44:40):
be really disappointed.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, they signed Griffy up to a huge deferred deal,
so maybe they can swing the same thing with him.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
True, That's that's true. They've got amount of time before
they have to make that decision.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
You know.

Speaker 7 (44:56):
I think at twenty twenty nine, I think he has
that arbitration type final year of the contract. The twenty
thirty day after. Wow, make the final call. If it
goes to the final call, though you're probably less likely, yeah,
to be able to get him, but you know that

(45:18):
one could go either way. We've we've seen the electric
exciting emy and then we've seen a guy this year
that that kind of looked lost at Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Still fun to watch, all right, Well, let me shift
you to football. Speaking of looking lost, all seemed lost
down in Columbia in the second half. Wellcats, as you know,
gave away to two cheap touchdowns and really changed the
way that game.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Had to be played for Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You were there when Markofs talked to the media yesterday,
and you know, there's no hiding what's going on going
into this Georgia game. This is this is one tall
order and the worst thing that could have happened is,
you know, is Georgia losing to Alabama. You know, I
think that Kentucky to have any shot has to do
what South Carolina did yesterday or yesterday Saturday, and it's

(46:11):
steals some touchdowns. But I don't know if george is
the kind of team that commits those.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Kinds of mistakes.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
You know what I'm saying, yeah, typically you don't see
that from a Georgia team, but if there's a silver rioting,
I think, you know, Georgia is typically a team that
that Kentucky finds a way to play better than you
expect against. It hasn't produced wins, and that's the bottom line.

(46:41):
But you know, even going back to last season, I
think a lot of people expected Georgia to blow their
doors off and it was what a one point yeah
game in the end. So this is one you just
really never know what to expect. But I don't see
any real way that Kentucky can find a way to

(47:03):
win without scoring some more points. And you know, that's
the that's kind of the issue for them right now
is how are they going to score enough points from
the remainder of the schedule. They played the so called
easy games right, easier game so far. I wouldn't call
Old Miss easy, not now. But but you know, South

(47:27):
Carolina is not going to be one of the better
teams you faced this year. And and it was a
struggle after that. The first couple of drives, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It was tough that they had to play Old Miss
in Lexing and No Miss. As it turns out, it's
pretty darn good. And Kentucky played them really well. You know,
if you get South Carolina at home back in Lexing
and maybe, but you just got to play the cards
that are dealt. And now you go back to Athens
and you know last time they were there it did
not go well. But you know, the Kentucky team last year.

(47:57):
I believe this team is better. I do, and I
don't think Georgia is as good as it was last year.
But now Georgia is so highly motivated they can't afford
to lose another game if they want to win, you know,
a national title.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
But last year, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
They Kentucky moved the ball between you know, the twenty
fives or the thirties, couldn't score when it got close enough.
But you know, if you can grind things out the
way he did initially against South Carolina and the way
he did last year against Georgia, they can stay in it.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
You know what I'm saying. Does that make sense?

Speaker 9 (48:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
It does.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
It'll be a little bit harder to do this week.
Of course, I last because you know, South Carolina was
getting dashed, but yeah, it's opponent on the ground, and
that opening drive made you feel like, Okay, that's right,
Kentucky's in good shape. This is going to continue to happen.
But I think Kentucky got kind of force out of

(48:55):
its out of its game plan a little bit, and
maybe prematurely. I know they got down twenty one to
ten and that turned into twenty eighth to ten. But
I would have still leaned heavily on the run game
to see if I could have got to win the
striking distance rather than putting a red shirt freshman quarterback

(49:16):
into so many dropback situations. You know, it wasn't just
that they were passing, it was they were taking these
pass plays that were really long to develop and that
just play plays to South Carolina strength.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Oh yeah, Well, those edge rushers beating in Kentucky's tackles.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Maybe they change it up for Georgia.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
We'll see more with Jeff Drummond of Cats Illustrated on
the other side of the break here on six thirty
WLAP Welcome back, We're chatting with Jeff Drummond of Cats Illustrated.
He's covered Kentucky football, basketball, baseball for the longest time.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
How many years on the beat for you now? Ja Drumm?

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Oh goodness, this wouldn't make like twenty six consecutively.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (50:01):
I covered them a little bit during my newspaper days too,
but started doing kind of what I am doing now
in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, and a big part of your job is taking pictures,
and you know I'm a big fan of your photography.
Will you be at madness doing that? Are you you
a madness guy?

Speaker 7 (50:21):
You know I'm not a big madness guy, but I
think I think that's time I'm gonna have to to be,
which is the fact that it's another almost completely new
team and there's so many guys we don't have photos
of in a Kentucky uniform, even if it's a practice uniform.

(50:42):
I'm excited to see those guys anyway, and get that
first gloves if you camp.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I've heard fans say that from just studying these new
faces and a little bit of talent returning from last year,
they think this team can be better than last year's team.
And of course, last year's team didn't win the conference,
didn't win the conference tournament, but made a deep run
in the postseason. Comparatively, speaking of course, what do you
think do you think this team can make a deeper

(51:10):
run it's all on the draw.

Speaker 7 (51:11):
I know, but still, yeah, I think it's built that
way because he was very intentional about putting this team
together after having that year of experience under his belt
coaching in the SEC, and he learned rather quickly that

(51:32):
you've got to have some defense and some bolt and
bustle to win in this league and set yourself up
with a better seed, you know, to give yourself a
shot in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
What do you make of the fact that the last
time he spoke with us, Mark Pope admitted that he
has flip flopped the way he is preparing this team
compared to his others, where he always started off with
the offense, I guess because the offense is a bit intricate.
But last year, as we saw, they really lack defensively
until the last maybe third of the year. He's starting

(52:09):
with defense now. And you've talked to a lot of
these guys already. They believe they can be one of
the best defensive teams in the country when healthy and
when prepared.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Well, you have to like the mindset, you know that
they've bought into that today's generational players. But maybe not
always thinking defense first. Yeah, you know it's in terms
of style points, but you get that sense from this
group of guys that they know that's what they're going
to have to mean on heavily. The way they're constructed,

(52:44):
I think they're going to be a decent offensive team too.
That remains to be seen. From a shooting standpoint. I'm
not sure they're going to have the same kind of
shirt sheeting that last year's healthy team had, but it
took be close if you get some guys step up.

(53:05):
But defensively, this ought to be one of the best
teams in the country. Oh yeah, yeah, there's just too many,
too much links and too many guys with proven defensive truck.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
A couple of minutes left with Jeff Drummond, I've cats illustrated.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
We are talking, of course.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
About madness coming up and it's coming up fast, and
uh yeah, not many people could shoot the ball the
way Kentucky did, at least the way a brand did
last year.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
But uh, you use the.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Word or you refer to staying healthy, and obviously that's
said Kentucky back last year. I think if this team
stays healthy, you know anything goes. You know, it's just
you've got it seems like you've got everything you need.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You just got to be able to execute. Right.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
Yeah, I've probably comes down to that, stay healthy, execute,
got to come together, jel as a team. You've got
all those personalities coming in from different places. But if
there's one thing that I think Mark Pope really does
well and what we've seen granted a short a small

(54:13):
sample size, but I think he really does a good
job of betting the kind of person he wants in
the program.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
See what do you think Pope larned?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You mentioned coaching that first year in the SEC, and
he was a successful head coach prior to coming here
one a lot of games and other places. But what
do you think he took away from that first year.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Hmm, that's a that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Because he played in the league, he knew how good
it was, but I wondered, you know, he got a
chance to see up close just how much better the
league is now than when he played, you.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (54:52):
Yeah, that's that's the what was kind of going through
my mind that I don't think that any SEC is
anything like why what he remembered it being, uh, back
in Back in his day, you probably had two or
three teams that could really challenge Kentucky and and pose
a threat on a given night. And now you've got

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almost the entire sleep that you better come to play.
There are no no easy nice off. Not that Kentucky
did that during his time. Patino. Uh would you feel
his wrath if you did take a night off. But
you could squeak by with a few games back then

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without bringing your a game.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Well, and Patino had such great depths.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
He could plunk you on a bench if he needed
to and you know, put it plug in somebody else.
But they had I think Pope's dealing with now that
he didn't have to deal with quite as much. And
his other stop is the portal and the nil. I mean,
it's a new age, isn't But he seems to have
embraced it, or at least he's not fighting.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
It not today does any good?

Speaker 7 (56:02):
No, he's not. And and that's another thing when you
when you talk about the h the conference and and
the way it's come up, I think a lot of
these schools have seen what what that can do for
their basketball program and how quickly they can get something
really going if you find the right, you know, three guys,

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you know, you don't even need a whole roster of them,
like like Kentucky has done. The first couple goes around.
But if you can find three uh to really lean
on and they turn out to be good, you can
you can have a great basketball season.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
He is Jeff Drummond. Look for his work at Cats
Illustrated dot com. You need to subscribe if you haven't already.

Speaker 7 (56:45):
Thanks j drum All right, Thanks Gabe.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Jeff Drumming covers football, basketball, and baseball for Cats Illustrated.
We always see Jay drum at the Kentucky baseball games
with the big lenses, but he gets great baseball photos.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
He's got a real feel for it.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
He's developed into a really good photographer through the years,
and he always comes up to the booth to visit
with Doug and me before the game. So we're looking
forward to that coming up here in the spring, and
more baseball exhibitions coming up with the Wildcats, and in fact,
coming up next we'll hear from Nick Menjeon chatted with
him after Kentucky's Blue Versus Black scrimmage on Sunday. There's

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a lot to like about this UK team. Can they
compete in the SEC? We'll find out. Six point thirty
WLAP Welcome back to the Big Blue and Cider coming up.
In just a couple of minutes, Derek Terry, a Batcat centro,
will join us. He was there for the Wildcats exhibition
game is basically an intersquad game Blue team versus Black
team on Sunday. This has the potential to be a

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really fun, interesting Kentucky baseball team. I was there for
most of that game on Sunday. And we'll hear from
Derek in just a minute, But first we'll hear from
Nick Menjeona chatted with him after the innsquad game about
all these new faces and eventually a big season coming up.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Well, I no, it's super early, but what are you
seeing out there?

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Well, you know me, I start with our pitching always.

Speaker 10 (58:09):
We've had a lot of guys that through this first
week that actually showed some of their best stuff where
they super consistently tatter outing some guys, yes, some guys know,
but I like the look the confidence you can see that.
We've got some guys that have played college baseball and
they've showed some really good poise and some really good stuff. Obviously,

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it's their first outing, so I expect them to tighten
that up all the way around. But for the most part,
guys that have the right look and then defensively love.

Speaker 9 (58:38):
The way we're communicating. We've done a good job on
routine plays.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
That's been good, and then you're just having guys that
have have college baseball experience.

Speaker 9 (58:48):
Defensively, that part's.

Speaker 10 (58:49):
Been really really good, and then offensively we continue to
have good abats and the guys that fought, they've done
a good job communicating. I like to what we've done
early on, especially with two strikes, which is you know,
that's usually one of the last things to come around,
and so far they've done a good job with two strikes.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
People know about communicating on football and audibles and basketball
switching d and all that, but tell me about communicating
on defense and baseball. That might be kind of lost
on some fans.

Speaker 10 (59:19):
Yeah, there's three levels, and there's three times that has
to happen. It's before every play, during the play, and
then after every play. So we've spent a ton of
time and they're actually getting this stick to where prior
before the guy even steps in the box, they need
to communicate the color of the runner, is what type
of runner, where they're throwing it, who's working with who
in the outfield, And then obviously during while the play's live,

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there's got to be communication. And after every single pitch
and after every batter, there needs to be a whole
nother level of communication. Now, everything from the time to
what they're seeing in the swing, to what the wind's doing,
to what the pitcher's doing.

Speaker 9 (59:54):
To the zone.

Speaker 10 (59:58):
Everything, like, they're constantly they need to be communicating, and
they're doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:00:02):
They're doing good job of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
And again, because you've got a lot of guys who play,
it's just.

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
A matter of learning each other, right, Yes, Yes, And
here this group so far really enjoys being around each other.

Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
They enjoy being around it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
It sounded like it from the dugouts.

Speaker 9 (01:00:16):
Yeah, they do. They enjoy being around each other and
they love baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Isn't that part of what you look for?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You were talking last year and the really the last
couple of successful teams you've had about your ability to
size people up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Isn't that part of it?

Speaker 9 (01:00:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
And I give our staff a lot of credit through
their phone conversations, watching videos and asking the right questions,
is we've gotten the spot to where we've gotten guys
that we feel like are who we are.

Speaker 9 (01:00:42):
Just super important.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah, this is the time of year when you obviously
find out who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Because when we talk to your teams that have been.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So successful, the most successful, they they've all said the
same thing we knew back in the fall. And I
think that that might be lost on people as well,
don't you.

Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
Yeah, And I always say this foundation of everything we
do is happens right now. It's like we're building it.
It's like we're starting from the ground. And some of
the greatest and strongest buildings in skyscrapers, they start from
the ground, like deep into the ground.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
And that's what we're doing. We're starting from the ground
and we're trying to work up right now. And that's
what the falls all about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
A lot of new faces, of course, and that's college
baseball today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But you've touched on this before. But why do they
want to be here?

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
You'd have to ask them, that would be a question
for them. But do you think, well, well, we've actually
asked them that, and a lot of them just believe
in what we have going on here. They believe in
our culture, our family, the relationship they had with the
coaches in the recruiting process, and then the chance to
play in the Southeastern Conference, and then you know a
lot of them when they came on their visits, they

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got a chance to meet our guys and how special
our players are.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
They love that, they want to be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
They see you in postseason as well. That's that's so
it's almost immeasurable, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:59):
Oh yeah, three years in a row, you know, do
it out for the first time ever. And then you know,
with social media now and everything else we have going on,
their ability to just not may it does an awesome
job with our social media and just putting content out
and just them be able to see it and be
a part of it. And you know, obviously when they

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come on their visits like I mentioned, but they've just
done an awesome job like exposing our program.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Well, I'll let's you go with this, but it's kind
of a broad question. Tell me a little bit about
how your job differs now as maybe as the manager
of this team compared to being the coach in the
spring when you're preparing for specific games and now you're
managing personalities, a roster, every all everything, the one that

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different in the fall.

Speaker 10 (01:02:49):
The one thing I try to do is just give
guys opportunities to play everywhere, all over. So it's like
my job is to make sure that we test everything.
You never know what's gonna happen in the spring. So
it's like, not only primary positions, what are we doing
for secondary positions? Like how are we getting guys you

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know and putting them in different situations because you just
you don't know, you don't know what's gonna happen. So
it's just like trying to project and forecast what might
happen in the spring to where we never go, oh wait,
we hadn't thought about that, Like can this guy do this? Hey,
we're facing this guy like and then a lot of
this is learning. A lot of us is like, Hey,
for some of these guys that are new to our program,

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it's like us trying to get all the information.

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
What are they good at? What do they need help with?
What can they when are they at their best? Hey?
What what do they act like when.

Speaker 10 (01:03:38):
They're off, you know, whether it's on the mound, It's like, hey,
when this guy goes wrong and it goes bad.

Speaker 9 (01:03:44):
This is what happens. How do we help them?

Speaker 10 (01:03:47):
So a lot of us it is like us gaining
and building knowledge so we can help them in the spring.

Speaker 9 (01:03:53):
So and the only way to do that is just
play a ton of games. And that's what we do
in the fall. Up, we just play a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Town at UK Basebook coach Nick Minion and up next
to Derek Terry Batcat Central to follow up on Sunday
scrimmage here on a Big Moon Sider six thirty WLAP.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Welcome back to the Big Bluon Sider.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
And as we mentioned earlier, Kentucky Baseball over the weekend,
it was an inner squad game. Derek Terry joins us
from Batcat Central. He is the publisher and of course
the lead reporter. And you were there taking notes and
I read your report. Let me start off by saying, Derek,
and one of the reasons I like going is a
lot of new names, a lot of new faces. And

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I have talked to a lot of people who are
more interested now in Kentucky baseball since the success produced
by Nick Man Jones teams, and everything I've heard from
fans has been, Hey, it sounds like they're going to
be pretty good. Is that premature or what do you
think right now? And it's really early.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
Now, you're right, it is early, But I think there's
early on floor with this team is on paper, the positions, Uh,
they don't need to sort out. There'd be some you know,
you need to hope you keep some of your pictures healthy.
That's always a big thing in the fall. You want
to not lose anybody. I think they lost to last year,
uh the season ending injury. So but no on paper.

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I mean, I think for the for the folks who
are really excited, it's justified. And you're right, I think
the success they had a few years ago has made
it a lot easier for people to kind of lean
all the way in and to have these really high expectations.
And you know, it's it's I think fair to place
pretty high expectations on this team this year. You know,
it's just one of the guys i'll follow for draft covers,

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Joe Doyle.

Speaker 9 (01:05:36):
He has a site.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
You know, he's Tyler Bell's a top up pick right now,
which is you know, I mean, it'd be one of
the highest picks, so don't you might know that might
be the highest pick in Kentucky baseball history. I don't
know if you want top five. Yeah, so I mean
he had a true uh you know, weekend staff, a gully,
Ben Slever. This is probably your best returning starter twenty
nineteen Jackson Jelkins, a guy I know they're really excited about.

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And of course night here coming back as well. So
I think they hit some of those markers in the
preseason that you would want to see to have a
team that's going to be I think should be ranked
in the preseason. But more so I think you're talking
about a team on paper that, if it comes together,
should certainly be in the conversation to host another regional
at Kentucky Croup Park.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
A lot of new faces, but there are returners as
you mentioned the pitchers, and then you've got, of course,
I think one of the best middle endfields in all
of baseball, and Luke Lawrence and Tyler Bell. Of course,
I thought Lawrence turn it boy. He turned it on
towards the end of the year. Struggled early last year offensively,
man when he found his stroke, he was Kentucky's most

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consistent hitter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So you got those guys, but Ryan Schwartz, a guy
we saw last year until he got hurt. He had
a big weekend. Do you think he'll be a guy
that can count on throughout the season if he stays healthy.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I think so. I mean, I think if you mentioned Lawrence,
it's kind of Lawrence Schwartz there forward the end of
the season that were really they did a lot of
heavy on offense. You know, you had guys like Hudson
Brown and Carson Hanson who had good regionals, and of
course Tyler Bells was pretty good throughout. But Schwartz is
one of those guys that he's kind of still learning
a new position. You know, he hadn't played a whole

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lot outfield, but he showed off his arm in the
scrimmage yesterday. I mean, I think this is a guy
who could be a plus defender in time. But with
his bat, you know, he was kind of middle of
the order guy got all the way up the second
I actually reached out to Matt May about this last year.
Of course, Tuck, he's sid for baseball right because it
was Tyler bell and run on Schwartz hitting one too,
and I was trying to wrack my brain. I was like,

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you know, I don't. I can't remember they had two
freshman hitting the top of the order since I've been
covering this is about twenty fifteen, and sure enough, I
think for one game Rilly Mayhon and Evan White back
in fifteen or sixteen had done that. Yes, I don't
know where Schwartz ultimately Atlanta, And of course, you know
I mentioned that from last season, you had new guys
on this team that might spot near the top of

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the order. But you know, I think Schwartz, a big
guy who come provide some of that power that they'll need.
Does another thing when you kind of talk about fans,
what I hear a lot about is kind of the
offensive approach, and you know they want to see guys
who can hit more home runs. You know, it was
huge to have a guy like Ryan Nicholson a few
years ago on that team, but also Ryan Weltschman was capable,
you know, hitting home runs. He had other guys. N

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Clubez had a pretty good year. He didn't hit a
ton of homers, but a million Petrie you don't think
up the double digits as well. This team, I think,
with Schwartz included, I think will be naturally built a
little bit more just talent wise. I think those have
some more built in strength. You know, Schwartz didn't hit
a ton last year, but he didn't play a whole
lot either, and I think he's easily a double digit
home run kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
I think he'll be that this year. I think Tyler
Bell could certainly be that. And I tell you the
guy I really liked, you know, I was just up
there yesterday, but having talked to some of the folks
that covering for me, Adam revel At, Jonathan Bruner, Scott
Campbell from USC Upstate. He had had one hundred and
three mile fire double into the right center field gap

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in his first at bat yesterday, and then nearly homeward
he hit a one oh five off the bat and
got right to the wall, So hit it to the
deepest part of the Carols. He might have been joining
Schwartz as someone who had a home run yesterday. So
I mean, he was one of those guys. It was
his first year at division in baseball. Last year was

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at USC Upstay and you know, he's an older guy,
but he had a great year. But he always kind
of wonder if those guys who put a big numbers
in other conferences. You know, how will it translate. I'm
just watching him play. I'll would be surprised if he's
not one of the better hitters on this team. But
you never know. I mean, you see guys that kind
of tear it up in the fall and then you
get to the spring and it's different. So he'll need

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to prove it. But he was someone I think defensively
as well, who's capable of playing center field. I mean,
I really liked what I saw from him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
You know, Schwartz's home run was amazing to me because
it looked like just a towering fly ball, and boy
did it carry, didn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:09:59):
It did?

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
It was one of those if you uh and and
it is true to an extent for all this, like, hey,
people don't home runs at Kentucky Proud Park. That might
have been one yesterday that uh, you know, it was
ninety five off the bat and it just seemed like
he kind of got it right in the right spot
where it just kept going. I didn't feel like the
one was blowing that hard yesterday. Maybe it was, I
don't know, but it was it was one that he
saw it sound it fine, But yeah, I just kept going,

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but I noted it my story. I mean, that was
not one of the harder hit balls of the day.
There were many that went over one hundred miles per
hour off the bat. So the fact that that one
went OFFO figured out. I will say probably she had
a little bit about Schwartz's strength. I mean, this is
a guy's young. I mean, he's he is draft eligible,
he'll be twenty one this upcoming summer. But you know,

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he is so much I will be curious to see
where where he ends up in the order because he's
he was pretty good at getting on base. I mean,
he was not just some hacker who was up there.
He was he was capable of working account and that's
pretty valuable at the top of the order. If you
want to hit him anywhere, you know, second through through
fourth or or maybe even down the fifth, it'll probably
determine a little bit who else is in the order.

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But he's someone that, yeah, I mean, I think coming
into this year he's also worked at first a little bit.
I want to say that maybe because Hudson Brown has
a class conflict on one of the days, maybe maybe
Wednesday and Friday, where he can't be there the whole time,
so you know, falls the time of experiment anyway, and
you have a pretty deep outfield, you know, I think
you have five guys who are capable of starting in

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the outfield, so that makes some sense to move some
guys around. I don't know he'll play the playing any
first base, but you know, either as a right field
or a dah he feels, you know, pretty comfortable if
this would be a guy who who's in the order
and records a lot about batts the spring for Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Talking to Derek Terry, publisher of bat Cats Central, he
has been covering the Kentucky fall workouts, and we heard
earlier on the show Nick Minji own talking about how
important the fall is and and as I said to Nick, uh, Derek,
you know, when we've talked to some of his better
teams about how they've come together down the stretch, they

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all said the same thing. They always say, we knew
back in the fall. So that's how vital this time
year is, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Yeah, Yeah, that's huge. I mean I think that it's
one of the you know, it's one of the most
valuable things if you go back to last year, I
felt like coming out of the fall kind of the
group that they had that that was who they went
with at opening day. Maybe maybe the one surprise was
James McCoy, who you know, hadn't really even played a
ton of right Folk from what I remember in the fall,

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and they ended up getting the start that was that
was a nod to an older player who had been there.
But for the most part, I mean, how they worked
out in the fall and how they performed was how
they lined up when they opened the season at a
it was Lipscomb, right, maybe Belmont one of those national
schools down there last season. So it is this is
a big thing. And you know they go to Presco

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next week and this upcoming Sunday to face West Virginia.
That'll be big. It'll be a good opportunity to get
out see a different team, and you know, it's one
of those things that you don't want to it's good
that they're planning to good opponent. You know, you kind
of take it for what it's worth because it's so
early in the fall. I mean, that'll be technical leader.
I guess sixth what would be scrimmage. You know, they'll

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have two more this week before they go up to Prafsco.
But seeing some outside competition for the first time for
you know, they play summer ball, most of these guys do,
but just in terms of the kind of a college
setting like this, it'll be the first time in a
few months. So but it was so big a test,
and I still think he learned some things too, with
how the coaches align with the guy was up this
first week. Doesn't mean that it's you know, going to

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stay that way throughout the rest of the fall, but I
do think it's a pretty good early indication of how
they see things, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
It gives them a great opportunity to players to play
against somebody else, you know, not play against their teammates
and whatever. It's always fun. We have talked for almost
ten minutes now. We haven't mentioned Catcher and the fact
that for the first time since the Nixon administration, it
seems no Devin Bruch behind the plate, you know. And well,
he might not have racked up the greatest numbers all

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the time, there's no question about what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Kind of leader he was. How big is that loss?
In your opinion?

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
It is big in that way. I mean, he did
a lot of the things that you know, he was
there a long time. I mean, he's had a lot
of games. He was a stabilizing force. I mean, I
think really his legacy will be that he was he
was the catcher for the best run that Kentucky, the
best sustained success here over year. Anyway that you know,
we've seen some of the Kentucky baseball program, and that

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was the one spot yesterday. And I always try to,
you know, fall got to remind yourself that you're just
seeing one day out of a lot of a lot
of the days. But that was the one spot if
you're kind of just to go around the diamond and say, hey,
how do you feel about these positions? Catcher seems like
the one right now that I don't know. I don't
know yet how that's going to turn out. I don't

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know if they know yet. You've got three options. You've
got Alex Duffie transfer to me. Line, who's the most
experienced as a college player, not maybe not necessarily well,
he still is the most experienced out of the catchers,
but he's not been like a catcher for five years.
You know, his eligibility. He's an older player, but he
played first base at elon a little bit, and it
was really just the last two years where he became

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kind of a full time catcher. And then you have
tagart Tyson who's a transfer from Louisville. And then Owen
Jenkin's the local kid here from Lexington Catholic who has
has tremendous upside. You know, probably could have signed with
the pro team if he wanted to this past summer.
That's the one that I'll be curious. I would assume
it's going to be Duffy who probably gets the nod

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on Sunday to start out, because he's just the most
experienced out of everybody, probably the best option right now.
But I think that one's still pretty open. Whereas if
he looked around at some of these other spots, I
feel like you got a pretty good at least a
lean on who might be at a certain position. So
it wasn't a good day for Duffy yesterday at the
scrimmage that you know, we were at truckouts twice. Didn't

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think he had a great day either behind the plate.
But you know, with that said, he could show up
Wednesday and have a great day. That's what you got
to keep in mind with with fall. But it will
be different. It will be a challenge for Kentucky this
year to have a guy new behind the plate. And
it kind of makes me wonder too, if you might see,
you know, if there's no really clear cut separation in

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the spring, and you know, how much more willing would
minji On be to to you know, maybe split some
time back there, because maybe yeah, I mean he's been heah.
You know, Duffy's left handed hitor, whereas the other two
are right handed hitters. And you know, for the most part,
if you go and look, I don't have the numbers
in front of me, but it might have been menji
On's first year with Squires and Cottom where it was

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really the only time you've seen maybe more of a
rotation there. A lot of the times he likes to
ride with one guy. Burks was that way and someone
can separate themselves. Maybe they'll still do that this year,
But that's probably the one position I have my eye on,
maybe closer than any of the others.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
The one thing we have to want and we'll keep
an eye on, obviously, is how well they handle pitchers,
because for whatever struggles, Devin may have had offensively pitchers
from all accounts loved to throwing to him and that's big,
isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
But it is you know, I think he gave especially
those young guys, I think he gave them a lot
of confidence, you know, knowing that you had a guy
back there who called you know, he caught a lot
of games for Kentucky and that'll be something. Duffy lots
of established and he's he's kind of the new guy
and it can be hard to come in, especially this
year too. If you think about last year, I think
it would have been easier for any of those transfers, yeah,

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to kind of come in and be a leader per se,
because there just weren't a whole lot of players back,
and the guys who were back for the most part,
really weren't established players. Whereas this year it's a little different.
Like you've got you've got about half the team back.
This year, you have a guy like Tyler Bell who's here,
Luke Lawrence was here for Duffy. I think people like

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to have the catcher be kind of a natural leading position,
but like you don't, I don't know that you necessarily
have as much put on you this year because he
do have some other guys there who have been through
the been through the program, and quite frankly, they know
it better than he does. This is his first go around,
so that aspect is interesting. I'm sure there will be
a lot of kind of encouraging with him to get

(01:18:16):
with the pitchers, be that kind of leader that they
expect him to be filling in for, you know, Burks' shoes,
I guess you can say. But I think still a
lot to be determined there, and I'll be curious to
see if he can kind of take it and run
with it, because this calling card was really kind of
more hit for average overpower.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
I think he only had four home runs last year,
but are really high. I think at three forty two
got better year over a year. And as a catcher,
you know, i'd say probably average soals across the board
right now, So we'll see. I mean, I think at
this point I wouldn't be surprised if all those guys,
even once the spring got there, if they all got
a chance, maybe not all catch Tiger plays a little

(01:18:57):
bit of corner out field as well and has this
capable quarter infield. He's more of a bat first kind
of guy anyway, but with Jenkins. You know, I think
there's incentive to play guys like that who you're able
to get to campus see what they can do. You know,
like the upside for Owen Jenkins. He might be a
day one pick one day down the road if he
puts it all together, whereas some of these other guys

(01:19:18):
might be a little bit more limited in their overall
skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
He is Derek Terry. He is the publisher of Batcat Central.
Go to batcat central dot com if you'd like to
sign up. But if you want to know about the
Kentucky baseball program, that is where you need to be.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Thank you, sir, and we will talk to you again soon.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
All right, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
I gotta do it for now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Thanks to my guest Derek Terry, Maggie Davis, Jefftrum And
that's a good night from the garage in lexingdon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
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Speaker 9 (01:19:47):
I was going to make a spress.

Speaker 7 (01:19:48):
On he.

Speaker 11 (01:20:00):
Tact. Tact can back out status.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
In the.

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