2025-10-02 BBI

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Big Blue and Sider Dick Gabriel with
you on a Thursday edition of our show. Second day
of October. We're in a big overlap month. You've got football, baseball, basketball,
and hockey going on.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're gonna talk primarily football.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Today, a little bit of horse racing as well, believe
it or not coming up in our second hour, and
a heads up tomorrow. Cameron Mills joined us here in
the garage, so we will talk a little bit of football,
but a lot of basketball with Cameron. He's been going
to practice, but that's tomorrow. Today we're talking football. Wildcats
taking on Georgia on Saturday. As you know, it's a
noon kickoff ten am pregame with Christy and Logan and

(00:36):
Ricky and then Tom Leach, Jeff picorl and yours truly
will have the action for you as the.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Cats take on the Bulldogs.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Three touchdown underdogs, and yeah, it could get ugly down there,
but if things break right, the Wildcats could put some pressure,
could put some stress on the Bulldogs because they did
it last year. Now entirely different teams for the most part,
new personnel, new situation, that election, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is down in Athens.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I think the noon kickoff will help Kentucky because the
Georgia fans it won't be a full house. I don't
know if it's homecoming or not. It often is when
Kentucky comes to town. But last time we were down
there to cover this game two years ago, it was
stunning the atmosphere because Kentucky was a pretty good team
that year at the time, and Georgia was really good

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and taking aim in another national title. They had their
brand new lights show. It was a night game. The
fans were stoked. It won't be that way, but it's
a good Georgia team. And we're gonna hear from Cutter
Bully coming up a little bit later on. We're gonna
hear from Brad White as well, Kentucky's defensive coordinator. But
you know, the biggest game in the league, Saturday just

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might be. And this is amazing Vanderbilt and Alabama. Alabama
grab control in the SEC for now by beating Georgia.
That's another thing Kentucky he has going against it. Of course,
on Saturday, the Bulldogs will be a pissed off and
b they know they can't lose another game if they
want to win a national championship, at least not to

(02:10):
Kentucky with all due respect. But if somehow Kentucky pulls
this upset, Georgia can make a case and say, hey.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We're in the SEC. Two losses should knock us out.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
But the playoff committee probably would say, you can't lose
to Kentucky and come to our playoff. So anyhow, that's
going to work against the Wildcats as well. But you've
got Vandy Alabama. Vandy is rolling under Clark Lee. It's incredible.
This is the game to watch. There are a lot
of good games this weekend. This is the game to watch.

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Can Vandy pull off the upset for the second year
in a row of Alabama? And it doesn't happen very often?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Doesn't. Vandy hasn't beaten Alabama.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Since nineteen eighty four, and a reporter at the Vanderbilt
news conference earlier this week talked to Clark Lee about
the history of this series, and Clark Lee, the head
coach for Vandy, said he kind of said, I don't
know that history. Well, I'm sure he does know more
than he's letting on. But as he pointed out, he's
part of it. He was born in Nashville attended Vandy

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after he first went to Birmingham Southern, then transferred to Belmont,
but then transferred to Vandy, where he played fullback for
three seasons and now is the head coach since twenty
twenty one. But prior to that he did no coaching
at Vandy. He coached at UCLA, he coached at San
die Or, South Dakota State at Bowling Green for a year,

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Syracuse Wake Forest. He was most recently the DC at
Notre Dame prior to being the linebackers coach there, And
the common thread there is Mike Elko, who's now the
head coach at Texas A and m clark Lee worked
for Elco at three different stops, including Notre Dame. Elko
was the Notre Dame and when he left for A

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and M that's when clark Lee moved up and did
a nice job, and Vandy basically brought him home. And
overall he's twenty one and thirty three at Vandy, but
we all know what he's up against there and right now,
thanks to Diego Pavia and the coaches he brought with
Pavia from New Mexico State, Vanderbilt is a team to

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watch not just in the SEC.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
But in the college football playoff picture.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And I've got part of the comments that Clark Lee
made to the media about building something at Vanderbilt. Listen
to this, This is part of it. And then we're
going to tie that in to Kentucky and Mark Stoops.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
We don't pay a lot of attention to that. We're
creating our own history here. That's how we see it.
And that really is the spirit of this group. And
I mean even in the way we this is team five.
You know, it's not because the history of this isn't important,
right I'm a part of the history of this program.
But there was an intentional, purposeful break to say, what happened,

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what has happened before, has no bearing on what is
to come. And here we are five years in and
we've the kind of the methodical and you know, investment
over time, the painstaking, the suffering and sacrifice has given
way to a program that that feels solid and feels whole,

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and I think gives us a chance to again create
create the history we want to actually define this program.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
As clark Lee, of course, talking about his team, his
fifth Vanderbilt team he started in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I go back and.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Think about when Mark Stoops was in season five at Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I'll save you.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It was twenty seventeen, already started in twenty thirteen, didn't
have a winning record until twenty sixteen. That, of course
happened because, among other things, the Wildcats upset the Louisville
Cardinals in the last regular season game, became bowl eligible,
went to a bowl game and lost.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
But that sort of set the tone there, didn't it.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
They came back in twenty seventeen, the fifth year, had
another winning record, went to a bowl game, did.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Not win it.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
They lost to Northwestern and the Music City Bowl. That's
where Benny got kicked out of the game, Benny Snell.
But remember that year they started off three and oh
did the Wildcats with a win over South Carolina to
make them three?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Then they go down to Gainesville. That's the game they
lost in overtime to Florida twenty eight to twenty seven
and got hosed on the clock operator situation there otherwise,
and then they had Eastern Michigan the following week and
survived at twenty four to twenty. But without that Florida
hose job, they're five and oh, then they beat Missouri

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back when Kentucky still at Missouri's number, it would have
been a six and oh Kentucky team still they were
five and one. Then they went down to Mississippi State
after a bye week, and it was a decent state team,
not a great one, and they were just terrible that night,
lost forty five to seven. But what happened after that?
The following week with a bitter taste in their mouth,

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they came back home and beat Tennessee, Steven Johnson leading
the Wildcats to that comeback win.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It was a great ball.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Game, great of course because you know in our memory
banks Kentucky wins it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
But Johnson goes.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Into the locker room with a shoulder injury, comes back
out heroically and scores the game winning touchdown diving into
the end zone, fell on one of it, so both
his shoulders were messed up. Jim Madaleno, of the longtime
UK trainer now retired, told me that he cringed when
he saw Johnson land on one of shoulders, but any

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because they were both messed up. But anyhow, they win
that one, lose a tight one to Ole miss That
was the DK Metcalf catch in the end zone and
then beat Vandy handily before losing two Georgia and Athens,
and they lost to Louisville and then lost to Northwestern,
So they finished the year with three straight losses. But

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Mark Tuops had things rolling and everybody was falling in
love again with Kentucky football because the Wildcats gave them
something to cheer about. And all they did was follow
up the next year with ten wins and the victory
over Penn State in the Citrus Bowl, which followed the

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blowout win over Louisville, And really the only smudge on
that season, in my opinion, was they lose down at
A and M. Remember that Terry Wilson had hurt his
knee wasn't one hundred percent and would have won down there.
But didn't They squeak pass Vandy that year, but and
squeak past Massoo with that great catch by a.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Conrad in the end zone on the very last play
of the game, but then finished strong, didn't they. So
things were rolling for the Wildcats. Well they're not rolling now.
But you heard Clark Lee talk about the investment of time,
the suffering and creating new history, and that's what Stoops

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set out to do when he got here, and it
was happening for a while, and now they're going through
definitely a rough patch. Can't he survive it? Well?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
We're all going to find out together, aren't we.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
But it's interesting to me that Clark Lee had similar
comments about Vanderbilt, and it could have been Mark Stoops
talking about Kentucky when he was in his fifth year
in Lexington and the question that preceded Lee's comment. The
theme was something about what will always be in the

(10:02):
SEC You know, you've got the halves and they have nots,
and Clark Lee rejected that notion, and Mark Stoops did
as well, and we all did as well. You know,
you remember now there were a couple three years where
Kentucky was at least able to think about challenging realistically
Georgia for the top spot in the SEC East. The

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problem is, for all those steps the Wildcats took forward,
they've taken a couple of major steps back. The question
is can they fight their way out of it? And
it's a brutally tough stretch of games right now, starting
with Georgia on Saturday, But we'll keep an eye on
Vandy Alabama won't we up neck cutter Bowley talks about

(10:46):
South Carolina and looks ahead to Georgia. Sota's Brad White,
the Kentucky defensive coordinator. A little bit later on Ryan
Black at the Courier Journal, he covers the Wildcats our
number two. Craig Skinner, Kentucky volleyball coach, speaking of a
team on a roll. Wildcats undefeated in the league, play
really early in the year, but Kentucky rank third in
the country, with a trip to Ole, Miss coming up

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on Friday night, and later on a special look back
at a great Kentucky Derby winner who will be honored
in the city of his birth, which is Paris, Kentucky,
that comes up on Sunday. We'll talk about that and
nour number two as well here in The Big Blue
Insider six thirty WLAP.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Coming up Ryan Black of the Courier Journal. A little
bit later on Craig Skinner, UK volleyball coach, but of
course Kentucky Georgia coming up Saturday at noon here on
six thirty WLAP. It is going to be a tall
task for the Wildcats, who lost, of course to South Carolina.
But when you go back again, it's like so many
games of late for Kentucky, it's the little things that

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added up. And you know this, the two free touchdowns
they gave to South Carolina. Basically, you just can't spot
any team on the road two touchdow. I don't care
whar you're playing, you can't spot them two touchdowns, but
especially a team that's good enough like South Carolina to
take advantage. And if Georgia gets that kind of advantage,
it could get ugly. So the Wildcats have to clean

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things up, take care of the little things on both
sides of the football if they have any chance of
even competing against Georgia, because it's going to be a
ticked off Georgia team coming in after the loss to Alabama.
But Kentucky just has to play it one play at
a time, one series at a time. And it started
off that way down at South Carolina. Wildcats driving for

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the touchdown with the opening of the game, took the
ball thanks to the coin flip. The Wildcats win it,
they take the ball, they drive, they score. Now they
give up a touchdown on South Carolina's first drive, but
then Kentucky drives and puts points on the board, takes
a ten to seven lead. Second quarter. Well, that game

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was really slow and unfolding, wasn't it. And then came
the free touchdown. They hold South Carolina, but almost instantly
Carolina gets the ball back, gets a touchdown two plays later,
gets another touchdown thanks to the Wildcats. So that just
upset the entire scheme for the entire evening. But his
defensive coordinator Brad White was telling us last night, this

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is a team that just needs to clean up the
little things if it's going to give itself a chance
to do any good.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's not for a lack of effort. It's just it
comes down to execution. And then there's a difference. You know,
that much makes a difference, you know, and you just
slide past a receiver, you know on a fourth and three,
or you know, you're supposed to ricochet in an A
gap and you get bumped out into a B gap
and it creates a pass rush lane. Like just little

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things that happen, you know, extend drives, and they did
a nice job of capitalizing, you know, on the drives.
I thought our guys rebound, you know, after that first
drive kind of we've talked about before, Like you know,
sometimes you just got to get settled in.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
On the defensive side of the ball. One of the
elements I thought that played in Kentucky's favor was interior
line play. I didn't think South Carolina really was able
to get much between the tackles. The Nori sellers heard him,
of course, the big quarterback for South Carolina, but in
terms of that grinded out play between the tackles, I
kind of liked what I saw down in Columbia, and
that has to be a key for Kentucky against Georgia.

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An interior line play coached by annear Stewart, the former
Wildcat d lineman, and he was upbeat when he talked
about his group. But he also knows what to expect
from Georgia. He has played against Georgia, he has coached
against Georgia, and it's a typical Georgia O line.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Uh you know what, It's just they lean on you. You know,
they lean on you. We know it's gonna be a big,
physical game. We had a really good tough Tuesday yesterday.
The guys are up, they're really excited about the challenge.
You know, we don't show away from the contact and
we're excited. We're ready to go, and you know what,
they're ready for the challenge on.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
The offensive side of the ball. Of course, it'll be
another stiff test for Cutter. Bully, the red shirt freshman
who's making his first start at Georgia, got his first
SEC road start last week and made some mistakes, made
a couple of good plays, but he said he learned
a lot from checking out the video.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
Definitely good to look at, Definitely good experience to have.
Definitely a lot of things to learn from and things
There's a lot of things we did good in that
game that people might have not seen, but a lot
of things we did good, and there's a lot of
things that we shot ourselves in the foot with. But
I think overall it's a great learning experience and just
more motivation for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
We kind of press Cutter on what he needs to
do and what he learned. He was a little more
specific about what has to happen and what he saw
against South Carolina.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
There's a lot of plays where we had big hits
and we had good runs. There was things open in
the back end, and there was many things that we
were just like inches away from getting done, inches away
from being a big time play. So I think that
in itself, not even just a few plays, like a
lot of plays. So I think that in itself is
just kind of build some confidence that we do have

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what we need and we can get done everything we
still want to get done, just we're just so close
kept put all the pieces together.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
One of the problems that the Wildcasts had last week
was of course South Carolina's pass rush when they were
able to sell out and just go after Bowlie because
they knew Kentucky had to throw the football to get
back in the game, and Cutter, it seemed at times,
was hanging onto the football too long, but because South
Carolina was coming so quickly, it didn't give his receivers

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a chance really to get much separation. Cutter talked about
trying to get the ball out faster.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
There's many different factors and depending on what the play
is with the deep coverage is whatever. But there's no
where my outlets are, no my quick answers are at
at knowing like just being able to recognize the exactly
what's going on and knowing my answers are for that.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well, he did not play against Georgia last year, but
after studying video, he knows what to expect from the Bulldogs.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Uh Huh, there's a lot of things Georgia does well.
They play a lot of different things in the back end,
can mix up the fronts. But uh, you know, it's
kind of going into every week just preparing, just preparing
the same everything. They're gonna have a lot of different things,
you know what I mean, depending on uh, what we
decided to put in, what we decided to do, but

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not much really preparation difference, whichides them having a different
defensive scheme.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's been a rough patch for the Wildcast, but Cutter
Bowley the leader as a red shirt freshman quarterback, so
the catch just have to keep on going.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Just these guys preparation every single day, their work ethic
out here at practice. Every guy's coming out here striving
to get better every single day. No one's can play
it with where they're at. Everybody's trying to get better
and trying to improve on something every single day. And
like I said, I think all these guys in this
team really believe that we're so close. We're one step away,

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and if we continue to get better. I know these
guys believe we can take that next step.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Speaking of last year's game, I went back and looked
at the stats. It was really amazing what Kentucky did,
and there were people who just dismissed it by saying, wow,
Georgia wasn't that interested. Well, if it wasn't when it began,
Georgia was fully interested at halftime when it trailed six
to three to Kentucky. But go back and look at
the numbers, it's pretty incredible. Jimmy Sumo Karnbay ran twenty

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two times for ninety eight yards. But the key stat
Kentucky had twenty three first downs to just twelve for
the Bulldogs. The Cats move the chains. If they can
do that and somehow keep cutter Bullies Jersey clean. They
gave up three sacks last year. Rock Vandergrift run for
his life. But if Kentucky can somehow do that and

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shortened the game, they got a puncher's chance up next.
Ryan Black of the Courier Journal here on the Big
Blue Sider six point thirty wlap Welcome back to the
Big Blue Sider. Joining us down our celebrity highline is
a guy who's been on the show several times and
covers the football and basketball Wildcats for the Louisville Courier Journal,
Ryan Black, Ryan, welcome back. It's a busy time for

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those of you who cover both football and basketball.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Man, this is overlap time, isn't it. Oh?

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Yes, sir no, And I'm thankful I didn't know I've
earned celebrity status. That's an honor to hear that.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
But you know, for the lead into me, you need
to understand why you're on the celebrity highline.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
You're a celebrity. After that, After that, you're on your own.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know, it's up to you. So let's start with
football though, And you know, I think we're learning more
every week. We learn more and more about this Kentucky team.
But more than anything, I think we're reminded the margin
of error for this Kentucky foot well program really in
the SEC has always been a very fine line, hasn't it.

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And when you got a team like this one with
you know, it's not grace with a lot of future
NFL players, I don't think, uh, it's even it's an
even thinner line. It's a tougher line to walk, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah, No, dickon and I'll say, you know, I'm someone
who I mean. I I mean, basically where they're at
right now is where I at least have predicted through
four games. And I know, depending on maybe who you
looked at or what you thought, there are people who thought, well, hey,
they could win one or both of the SEC games
they've played so far. I mean, obviously I thought that Toledo,
you know, if they played badly in that game, that

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Toledo could maybe get them. But you know, Dick, to
your point is as you said, the and I don't
think it's just for Kentucky because I think, Dick in
the sense that when you look across college football now,
I mean, just look at look at how many upsets happened.
I think because of this stuff with nil and now
with the new revenue share going in effect, and obviously
the transfer portal where you can now leave and starts

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immediately somewhere else, you know, you're just not gonna see
these rosters that you maybe saw from Alabama and Georgia,
you know, ten years ago, because guys are just not
willing to sit behind other five stars anymore. I mean,
I guess you you have the handful you have an
occasional guys like I mean Cutter Bowley for instance, means
really a good example, jack Ry. I mean when they
brought in, you know, a new guy, that guy's outa

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you know, they could have he could have said, hey,
you know, I know you said, I'm supposed to the future,
but I want the future to be now, so I'm
gonna haveit the transfer portal. But Cutter Bowlie, to his credit,
did not do that. And so that's kind of the
broader point, Yeah, Dick, that I'm making is as I
just think college fortball as a whole, the margins are
so much center than they used to be, but especially
at Kentucky, And Dick, I'm sure we'll touch on this.

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When when you had the struggles offensively that Kentucky has,
it heightens and and and uh compounds any other airr
that's made elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, and that's exactly what happened down at South Carolina.
As you know, how surprised were you that Kentucky took
the ball to open the game.

Speaker 8 (21:58):
Well, Dack's fun you ask me that, because like you
the one who asked Mark Sousser and his Weekly News
commerce on Monday about that and I was just racking
my brain after you guess. I'm like, you know, I
don't recall any game that I've covered, and you've covered
a lot more than that I have here at UK
that the Kentucky winning the toss that they would take
the ball.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
So I thought, I thought it.

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Was a great choice for me, right, I mean they
ended up scoring on both the first two drives of
the game and then just couldn't keep up the momentum
after that.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, And you know what's funny, Ty Bryant was one
of the game captains and he's the guy who spoke
for the team, and the referee said, okay, you know
you've won the toss, what do you want to do?
And Brian didn't just say receive, He goes, we want
that ball, which I thought was kind of reflects why
I asked Stoops about it. But I thought it was
an interesting answer he gave us on Monday when he

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said some of the guys on offense came to him
and said, let's let's take the football if we can.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And at least it worked for a little while, didn't it. Well.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
I mean, like to Dickman, I know when I'm watching,
when I think back about watching that drive, Uh is,
I feel like that's that's what the offense when it's
when it's playing how it's supposed to be under bush
hammed into the corner. That's what it's supposed to look for. Yeah,
and and you know, unfortunately for Kentucky it has not
usually looked that easy in any game against the Power

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Conference opponents that since the bush Amas have been here.
But that's again, I think at their best, that's what
they should be looking like.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, and you know it could have looked like that more.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I think if they hadn't started giving away touchdowns because
while you don't have to throw the game plan out
the window, it makes it so much harder because all
South Carolina has to do and Georgia is gonna try
to do it as well, is you know.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Make things tough in the middle and then take away the.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Passing game, you know, aggressive rush lanes and things like that.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
They gotta they gotta be ready for that, don't they.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
And difinitely, I think, I mean you've seen this that
and heard it by now, but I mean, you're you're
just not gonna win any game where when you look
at the final box score. South Carolina's defense outscored Kentucky's.
I mean they scored, you know, scoring two touchdowns offensively.
Uh you know to Kentucky's scoring one. It's just you know,
dicking and have a thing about that just just today

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and kind of as things have continued to kind of
just while at where they are offensively, is I think
what the toll that has to be on the defense
right in the sense that uh, until you know, Kentucky
offensively is able to change this where you know, there's
that sat that you know, in the eleven games that
bush Ham's had against power confience opponents, that offense has

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not scored more than two touchdowns in any of those games.
And I think, you know, if you're if you're the defense,
it kind of it can just be so uh just
just maddening to think, well, hey, you know, if if
the other team, if we give up really more than
two touchdowns at any point in the game, we're in
a bad place because the offense just has not shown

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the ability to just consistently hit on explosive plays and
to get the ball, you know, into the end zone.
I mean, again, they've they've been blessed, you know, Dick.
The last few seasons with unbelievably consistent kicking, But at
the end of the day, you know, field goals are't
gonna win you many games in modern comfootball.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
No, And I think they're looking at Ryan at something
this year that they looked at last year. It's not
quite as pronounced, but they still have issues with their
on line.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And if you can't.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Give Cutter Bowlie more than you know, a two count
to set up and throw, then your explosives aren't going
to be there. Your deep threat's not going to be there.
Do you do you think they can correct that? And
maybe they can, but man, this is a murderer's row
kind of schedule they got coming up with the two
CHI teams and with Georgia at Texas and Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:41):
I mean, I'm not gonna say they can't dick. But
that's the problem, right is they don't have really any
any and I mean it's respectfully, but they just don't
really have any team that they can work the kinkstyle against.
You know, I mean they have to get it figured
out against three teams that were all in the COLLG
Football Playoff last year, on top of those just being
teams that just Orkeley have always been just better football

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programs than Kentucky. You know, Dick, what I'm very curious about,
just from your vantage point being on the field is
are the receivers are they just not getting enough separation
or is it there and Bowlies is not getting enough
time to.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Get to the ball.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
A little bit of both, but I'd say it's mostly
column A. They don't have enough time to work themselves free. Now,
there was a point you might recall to play where
Jamari matt Then worked his way behind the Georgia defense
and Bowley overthrew him. You know, you wonder how the
game might have changed if they connect on that play.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
You know, yeah, no, And again, any Dick, I know,
nobody who's a Kentucky fan wants to hear it because
I meant, the end of the day, all that matters
is what's the final score? Right, But there have been,
like you said, multiple multiple opportunities this season where just
a very slight overthrow is if it's a catch we're
talking about, you know, quite a few more offensive touchdowns

(26:58):
this season. They just have not ended up being there.
And so I know, like you have to basically say
what the facts are. But but I'm saying when you
kind of at least zoom out, you're like, well, hey,
they have been close on a few plays and they
just they just warned they would hit on.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
It, and they have been efficient.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think in the run game, what do you think
of the running backs, particularly McGowan.

Speaker 8 (27:20):
Well, I'm not gonna lie to Dick. Out of all
these things for the season so far, the running game,
especially McGowan has been the most surprising to me because obviously,
you know when he when he was added, you heard
all these good things about him and what he could
bring the teams. But I'm very much you know, Dick.
I don't want to say I'm cynical, but I'm like,
you know, I watch you show me, don't tell me
show like, go out and prove it. Be like, you

(27:40):
can tell me till the end of the earth what
you know what this person is like and what they're
going to do, But like, let me see them go
out and do it. And he has been i mean,
really really really really impressive, Dick. You know, he hasn't
maybe been quite the pass catcher yet out of the
backfield that Ray Davis was, but man, I mean McGowan
is certainly I mean to look what he's done. Already
scored at least one rushing touchdown all four games so far.

(28:03):
I mean, that's pretty impressive, especially for a new guy
to the program.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, you're right, he really is. And I'm impressed by
his jackyard. That's been a problem for the Kentucky defense.
But man, McCowan does not go down on first contact,
does he?

Speaker 8 (28:17):
And you know the crazy thing about it, Dick is
like we interview him after every game. You know, he's
not like this giant Derrick Henry type. I mean, he's
really about the same height roughly as you and I.
But man, he runs a lot bigger than his height
and just build would suggest well.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But he does have a build on him. I can't
say that he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
But now you're right, he's just he's spent a lot
of time in the weight room and it's time well spent.
Ryan Black writes for The Courier's Journal, covers of football
and basketball Wildcats. We'll come back and talk a little
bit of hoops on the other side of the break
here on six point thirty WLAP. Welcome back with Chatting
with Ryan Black. He is the beat writer for the
Courrier Journal.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Covers both football and basketball, so it's a busy, busy time.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I know that you're you're trying to prepare for
the upcoming basketball season. Why you covered football and one
of the chores. Although it was made a little bit
easier for all of us the fact that we get
to talk to these new guys in the summer, you know,
but trying to put faces with names and figure out
what Mark Pope's gonna do with them all, it's it's

(29:20):
kind of a crazy time right now, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (29:22):
Yeah, No, And and Dick, it's I mean all I'm
thankful we get to do that because I mean, I'm
I don't recall oh yeah, goodness. And in the years
before that that, you know, really before the last few years,
that wasn't really a thing that you really got aus
season interviews with basketball players. But as you know, and
I know, every time it seems like we're on this
that we talk about. But like, as college sports continues

(29:43):
to change and change and change and becomes somewhat more
professionalized in many sentences, I think, I mean, that's one
change I mean I'm thankful for because obviously we're all
begging for content during the slow months of the summer
and and to get any anything, Kentucky basketball has been
a blessing and it's been great to just see, like
you said, especially tack on top of that, when you're
getting so many new guys, it'd be different. Hey, if

(30:06):
it's the same the same kind of core group every
single year. But look at how many teams just almost
completely overhaul their ross every year in college oops, right,
they usually more of just a Kentucky thing because they
would lose so many guys in the NBA Draft. But
now with the transfer portal, I mean, it's very rare
that you see a team bring back I would say
even fifty percent of a roster now year to year.

(30:28):
In college troops like, it's nice to at least, you know,
get to meet with some of these guys and have
them kind of get you know, associate your name with
the face and just get to know them a little
bit too as we're learning the roster kind of on
the fly.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, one of the pluses I think of the NIL
is that and it's not for everybody, of course, but
there are some guys who can benefit financially from staying
in school as opposed to you know, being a free
agent or you know, being a two way contract guy,
you can actually make more money. Uh, you know if

(31:02):
you're a certain guy by saying in school. So I'm
wondering when we see more of that, you know.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
Well, I mean Dick, I would think, you know, one
guy you would say that for I meant he was
on lasting scene. But was Antonio Reeves?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yea?

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Was you know that he could have gone, you know,
after the one season at Kentucky. But I think he
saw that, hey what maybe staying to make coming back
to UK and being you know, the the key score
for that that next season scene was a lot more
beneficial than going and like said, maybe not even make
an NBA team two way rock maybe having to go
overseas and play. So I'm pretty sure. And hey, look
he ended up getting drafted. You know, he's been the NBA.

(31:38):
So I think he would say that everything worked out
for him that way. And I think like that that's
the thing you'll see happening more and more and more.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh yeah, he is the poster child or why you
want to come back. That's a great point. We're talking
to Ryan Black of the Courier Journal with this Kentucky
basketball team going into the season. Is there a storyline
or a thread in particular that.

Speaker 8 (32:00):
You oh, boy, Dick, I mean, there's just so many, right,
I mean I kind of have touched on a few before,
Like I'm just interested to see, you know how Otaga
away now having to be the guy in terms of
not that he wasn't the guy offensively last season, but
he had so many seniors that he could lean on, right,
But but now he's going to be the guy that
every other player on the team turns to, not just

(32:21):
because of what he did last season, but because hey,
you you've already now been in this system. He's kind
of kind to be in a way that Jackson Robinson.
He's the guy who's a big scorer for the you know,
the first Mark Pope team, and now people can go
to him and be like, you know, take, what what
do I need to do here? Et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
I mean, of course, curiously, what Denzel Aberdeen does when
you after coming off of the Act Championship of Florida and
maybe what he's going to do and potentially a bigger
role at you know, a Kentucky Jasper Johnson. You know,
we've heard everything about how electric a score he could
be even as a freshman in the SEC means I
feel like you just go down the line. Well, I guess, Dick,
I'll say, if there's one story, absolutely you're saying, Ryan,

(32:58):
what what's the thing you are by for? Are the
most interested to see? If that's to be one player
I want to see. Did Colin Chandler take a jump
because of how strongly he finished last season?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:09):
Yeah, because he really because you know, again we heard
all stuff he was coming back from that two year
more mission and kind of working his way back into
playing shape during last season. But man, he finished last
season really strong, and I'm interested to see if he
can build off that. You know, in twenty five twenty six,
it was almost.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Like a switch went on, didn't it. And you could
see he had ability But and I know it wasn't
totally sudden, but man, from one point he took off
with the offense and show what kind of athlete he is.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
He's very athletic.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
Yeah, no, And I think it's it's something that like
I think a lot of people maybe wouldn't maybe just
look at him and think that. But I think also, Dick,
do you think back to big blue manness last year
and he threw down some pretty good Oh yeah, I
don't really think how many people think back on that.
But if he need already showcased some of the tops
back then. But again, does he again? Because the playing
time kind of came so slowly early on, I don't

(34:01):
think enough you know, enough people really knew about him.
But so, I mean, I guess you can pick anybody
on this. This uthing brought me how to Jay and
Quentin's come back off his injury?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Right?

Speaker 8 (34:10):
Uh? You know the Mohamed diabase. Does he bring that
physical edge that we've heard so much about. I mean,
there's just so many, so many uh storylines, Dick that
I think, you know, it's great to have this meeting
that you can and that's just add for individuals. Yes,
you know, Dick, I think you know, especially which is
the team to the whole?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (34:28):
You know, what does year two look like? Especially with
the SEC maybe not being quite as strong this season,
but it's still going to be really really good. You
know where does Kentucky?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah. What also intrigues me is the fact that Mark
Pope admitted that he is one of the and I
think he used the word twisted coaches who you know,
works on offense first, whereas most coaches are preaching defense defense,
And he has kind of flip flopped the way he's
preparing this team compared to what he did last year,
when it was let's get this intricate off fence down

(35:00):
and uh oh, we're not very good defensively now.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
You know, I don't know about you, but almost every
player I've talked to has talked about how good they
think they're going to be defensively, and not just because
of the new faces on this roster. I think I'm
going to be really curious to see how that works out,
because Mark Pope has admitted he's not, first and foremost
a defensive minded guy like his predecessor and like the

(35:26):
guy he played for here, Rick Bettino.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
Yeah, and you know and Dick. And that's something that
that time and time and time again, you know, when
we've been able to speak with Mark Pope or even
just talk to players, thought to a system, Uh is it?
I mean, I know you're supposed to be the coach,
are supposed to be more willing to adapt your system
to players and not be, but like I don't feel
like I mean a lot of older coaches or ether
something there. I just feel like they're like, I'm gonna

(35:49):
make guys fit into my system, yea. And he just
seems to be like, I'm going to do whatever we
have to do to win, whether it's playing exactly this
way that I like or or we have to adjust
on the floor and play away that I'm not familiar with.
But but again he embraces that dick R. He comp
is like I love the challenge, I love the problem
solving of it. Like he's just such a naturally curious individual,

(36:11):
you know, with the medical background. I mean like like,
I think that just speaks to just the fact that
he is going to do basically whatever he thinks his
best to win. And it's not gonna He's not gonna
want to win a certain way. He just cares that
they win.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Period.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I think some of it too, And tell me, uh,
if you think I'm off here, but uh, he gets
into the SEC and he did well at his other jobs,
but this league is more athletic. I think it's tougher
to win. And I think he looked around and saw that,
you know, as good as his offense could be, his
team wasn't stopping anybody, and you know every now and then,

(36:47):
So that meant if if the other guys are stopping him,
he hasn't got a whole lot of hope. And his
team was so poor offensively in terms of national rankings.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
They had nowhere to go but up.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And they made a dramatic chance, didn't they Towards the
end of the year, they leaped in the defensive metrics.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
Yeah, and Dick, I think two, I think you know
again the way that that Mark Pope and his lead
assistant offensive coordinator type Cody Fieger, they're always gonna have
a team that can shoot and score. But I will say,
if you look at the makeup of this foster, I
don't think it's gonna maybe be as good a pure
shooting team, but they should be a lot more athletic

(37:25):
top to bottom than they were last year. And I think,
you know, Dick, against the teams that were really really good. Now,
they did beat Florida and had Florida the first loss.
So like they go back and watch that Auburn game,
you know, it's like you just kind of saw that
just kind of a different top to bottom of athleticis
and what Auburn had what what Kentucky didn't. And I
think as you look at who they brought in via
the transfer portal and then uh, you know the recruiting

(37:47):
class they've got this I think some more high caliber
athletes than they had last year's roster.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And my opinion the Tennessee game in the tournament similar.
So that do you make a great point, and uh,
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
To see you.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
This team is like when everybody's healthy, it's really intriguing.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Isn't it.

Speaker 8 (38:04):
Oh yeah, no, I mean and Dick, that's I mean
to me, that's gonna be. I know it sounds, it
sounds so simplistic, but like this team just has to
stay healthy, you know which I mean, go back and
look at how many injuries robbed that last seam's roster.
You know, whether it's Jackson Robinson or Kerkriesa, the lingering
shoulder injury for Lamont Butler, the back issue where I
still think, I mean, he said, you know, he's too great.

(38:26):
He never complained, but like I don't think when you
go back and look at his games pre pre Christmas
and then end of the New year, Andrew Carr was
never quite as good as he was early in the
season because that back injury just was which is lingering
the whole rest.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, so you make a great point.

Speaker 8 (38:42):
Knock on wood for Kentucky basketball, they stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, whatever happens with Kentucky basketball and football, you can
read about it at Courier Journals dot com and Ryan
Black Thank you, sir, and we'll see you at.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
The ball game.

Speaker 8 (38:53):
It's all right, Dick, think for i'me on Hower.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Number two is up next in six thirty w l a.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
T te.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
Tact Tact The Shop Anything.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Cann Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider. Joining us now.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Our celebrity odline is Craig Skinner, the head coach of
the Kentucky Volleyball Wildcats, who take on Ole Miss tomorrow
night down in Oxford. It's a seven clock start on
the SEC network. Creig, you and I have talked before,
and you've brought up the fact the crowds have been
growing at the coliseum. Some night's good, some night's great.
What about when you go on the road. Now, with

(41:12):
the growth of SEC women's volleyball, the popularity of the
sport itself, it's all over TV. Now, what's it like
on the road now for you guys, especially because you've
got that big target.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
On your back.

Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yeah, I mean everybody's a tennis is going up. I
mean clearly in the SEC everyone's the tennis is going up.
And you know, for example, like when we went to
ole Miss you know, after the twenty the national champiship here,
I mean the place was packed, standing room only. It's
not a huge venue, but it's a huge home court advantage.
And you know, whenever we've gone to Oxford, it's it's

(41:51):
been a big crowd and people are paying attention. And obviously,
you know, with our history of success, people want to
come watch us and see their home team, you know,
take us down. So this one will be no exception
for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
How do the kids feel about it? I got to
think they like it, being as competitive.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
As they are.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
I you know, I think that our team has a
bunch of competitors on it, and they relish the opportunity
to go into someone's venue and and you know, show
people what they're capable of. And it's a lot more
difficult obviously to get comfortable when you're on the road,
but I think our team likes those challenges and wants
to show that they have some resiliency to be able

(42:32):
to do it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
You know, after the Louisville mattch some of your players
talked about the fact that they loved kind of quieting
the crowd. When you go in and it's obviously tougher,
but when you can shut them down a little bit,
that's that's a little bonus, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
That's free damn rewarding when you go into someone else's
place and you know it's not it's not very vocal
when you're walking out, So I can I can imagine
how they felt.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Well, you know, I've said it for years, if you
go just once, you going to get hooked. And I
think a lot of people are. But what is the
biggest difference now? I got to think it's level of
athleticism throughout the SEC because Kentucky and I'm not patronizing you,
because the numbers show this. Kentucky turned things around in
the SEC. Was the Florida Invitational for so long? To

(43:19):
the great credit to Mary Wise, but you guys made
the run at Florida. You wrestled the top of the
heap away from them. Tennessee did it? Missouri came in
with good teams, and now it's so much tougher in
the league than it was back in the day. Is
it just as simple as saying coaches, well, there's better coaches,
but coaches are recruiting better athletes now.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Is it that simple?

Speaker 7 (43:44):
I mean, there's no question there's better athletes playing the game.
And I've told the story a million times, but you know,
my first year as a coach, we had probably one
or two players touch ten feet. Now we are average
jump touches ten feet, you know. And so when you
have that many people playing above the rim, you know,
or above the net, you know, and ourn't net is
seven feet four in Amend's net and volleyball is eight

(44:04):
feet so you highlight and see that explosiveness and dynamic
ability and the power, and if you're in a front
row seat, you are mind blown how hard these guys
hit the ball and how fast they get from point
A to point B. And every single time the ball
is put in play at the point, you know, and
something is someone's winning and someone's losing every single point,

(44:26):
and you know, keeps you engaged. And I think our
sport is you know, you get two hour block and
a match is over and you walk out, you know,
almost sweating like the players did. So it's it's just
a cool event that you feel like you're part of
when you're up there, close and personal with them.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I tell people that one of the greatest athletic achievements,
not just for volleyball, well, one of the greatest plays
I have ever seen came in the championship match by
Ali Stummler who laid out to sit to make a save,
to make a dig I mean totally laid out, got
her fist under the ball. Then the next thing you know,

(45:06):
she is up on her feet, rising over the net
for a kill.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I mean the.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Quickness and the explosiveness that it took to do that,
and I say it was the best given what was
at stake that night. It's hard to tap that, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
Yeah, I mean just getting from the ground to ten feet,
you know, is talk about balanced coordination, core strength, and explosives.
I mean all of those things coming to play, and
then you haven't even talked about decision making and vision
and you know, so there's just the anticipation. You know,

(45:42):
you have to be anticipation and reaction like a defensive
back in football, and you have to have the power
of a power forward and basketball and you know, I mean,
I think there's just a lot of different factors in
our sport that come into play, you know, being on
the ground and then all of a sudden being ten
people amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Well, speaking of athletic ability, Cassie O'Brien in the SEC
setter of the week, just a freshman and she was
in and out of the lineup in the Louisville match.
Avis Aarafa stepped in and Ava started the season. You
got some depth there at cetera. But what has made
Cassie so valuable so early in.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
Her career, Well, she's a experienced player. She comes from
a league club in Houston, and she's played in national
championship moments, you know, in the club system, so she's
felt some of that stuff. But I think probably the
you know, the thing that one thing that you know,
really is a credit to her is her ability to
move on to the next play regardless of what she

(46:43):
just did. I mean, she could have had the best
set of her life or made a huge mistake and
it really has no effect on what's going to happen next.
And if your mentality and ability is to move on
like that. In our sport, it just helps you be
more composed and more willing to take chances and risks,
and she does an incredible job of that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Did you spot that, I assume you did when you
were scouting her, when you were recruiting her watching her
in club play.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
I don't know if I knew that specifically, but what
I did know is how passionate she was each and
every point, and she lived and died by, you know,
performing each and every point, and it didn't matter if
it was you know, one to zero or thirteen thirteen
and the fifth set going to fifteen. I mean, she
was locked in and was ready to give it her all.
And if you're that juice and every single point, then

(47:33):
you know you're going to be committed to the process
of what it takes to be successful.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
A friend of mine, who is new to the sport
but is really growing to like it, asked me a
question n today, and of course I couldn't answer it,
but I told.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Him I would ask you.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
But he was watching one of your matches and was
all happening so fast, and you know, we were talking
about the fact that you know, you have come in
changed the culture recruited more athletes. They're in all incredible athletes.
But he said, I guess because it was happening so fast.
He said, what does he look for when he's recruiting

(48:09):
these kids? Because I told him, I said, a lot
of it's at the club level. And I told him
I would ask you, you know, when you're everybody can fly.
I guess at that level, some are kind of fly
higher than others, some pass better than others, play defense better.
But what are some of the intangibles, Craig, did you
look for when you're looking for a potential wildcat?

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Yeah, I mean, I don't that's a tough thing to answer.
I give it a shot, but you know, I think,
you know, obviously, let's just throw out the level of
athleticism and experience and skill. I mean, you have to
have those things to play at this level. I think
that there's a couple of things. One, the ability to
anticipate what's going to happen before it happens. You know,

(48:50):
whether that's the instinctual part of recognizing a play before
it occurs, and so I can't really describe that, but
you know, when someone's in position to dig a ball
before the ball is hit they've read something prior to that,
And I think the one there's a four letter word
I'd like to use, and not that everyone is thinking

(49:11):
right now when I'm listening to this, but it's the
level of level of care that they take in the
preparation that they take in their teammates success, that they tape,
and how they you know what they're going to do next.
And you know, there's some kids and players that are
playing the game that do it because they're good at it,
not because they care about what they're going to do next.
And I think that if you have a heightened a

(49:34):
level of care about what you're doing and what your
team is doing, and how you're going to prepare and
how you're going to perform, it just says a lot
about everything. And how you care about school, how you
care about your family, how you care about your friends,
how you care about your club, how you care about
your high school team. All that translates into whether you

(49:55):
care whether you're going to get fifteen extra reps after
practice or not. And you know, if you're willing to
do a little bit more, it probably means you care
a little bit more than somebody else.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Well, make sure my friend hears this because you explained
it well. We talked about that, Cassie O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Boy, what a week for Lizzie Carr as well. Has
she been what you'd hoped?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I mean, six', six somebody who can get a killed flat,
Footed but boy was She she brings to the. Middle
it's it's obviously very, helpful isn't.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
It, yeah you, KNOW i got to give her and
our setter is a lot of, Credit Cassie. Ava and
they spent a lot of extra time trying to work
on that, connection and there was a height and really
high level of frustration because they weren't getting, it you,
know a couple of days prior to that in. Practice
and you, KNOW i think that level of frustration and
effort to make it work eventually paid. Off and that

(50:46):
was a match that she, dominated and she has ability
to and AND i think, that you, know the effort
that she put in to get to that point will
carry over for a longer term as.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well you have a lot of volleyball to.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Play but since That louisville, win and that was a,
comeback you've swept three teams And washington's been pretty darn
good through the, years you've got two conference. Wins now
what is happening now with your team that you need
to see that you were hoping you'd see by?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Uh you, KNOW i think whenever you you, know do
something better than you did last, week or you perform you,
know a skill that you haven't done before and you
get a win on the, road or you sweep a you,
know a team Like, washington or you BEAT smu who
is top, TEN i, mean it just adds levels of
belief that maybe you thought you wanted to aspire to

(51:41):
and then when you eventually you do, it it just
creates that the belief that you can do it. Again
and you, know so that's happening and the buy in
has happens easier when you're having some. Success but you,
know we can't get too satisfied or comfortable, either because
you know everyone's going to try and find our weakness
on video and figure out how to expose us the

(52:02):
next time we. Play AND i Know ole misses doing
that today and our own practice to get ready for.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Us, yeah well you Got ole miss just the one
match this. Week next week you're AT a AND, M
you're AT. Lsu this is a heck of a tough
stretch of road matches for this, Team but they, Seem
craig like they're a, tight tightly knit bunch and maybe
going on the road is a good.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
THING i, mean because it's you against the. WORLD a
lot of players kind of enjoy, that.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
You.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
KNOW i think our team looks forward to the next
chance they have to be around each. Other and when
you have a group of fourteen players that look forward
to practice and look forward to the plane and look
forward to the bus trip or a meal, together you,
know you have a lot better chance to be successful under.
Pressure and so you, know obviously we want to keep
that going and make sure everyone has a role for our.
Success and you, KNOW i think, they you, know genuinely

(52:55):
are appreciating respecting each, other and which goes a long.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Way got a couple of minutes off With Craig skinner and.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Coach we've gone about twelve minutes without even talking about
your big outside, Hitters Brooklyn delay And Eva. Hudson kentucky
fans know About, Brooklyn they're learning to Love Eva. Hudson
AND i thought her effort Against louisville was really, incredible
simply because Uo la is a really good blocking team
made it really tough on, her but she powered through

(53:22):
it and found a.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Way and you talked about that after.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
The match that a lot of your kids just found
a way to excel Against.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
YUEVILLE i thought she took a big step forward that.
Night what did you?

Speaker 7 (53:34):
See, well you, KNOW i got to give you a
lot of credit in that situation because she was struggling
earlier in the match and wasn't wasn't really getting it.
Done AND i think that was a testament to her
to have the resolve and the and she doesn't really
care that. MUCH i, mean obviously every athlete, does you,

(53:55):
know whether she's had the most skills in her life
or the fewest, skills as long as her team is
given the best chance to. WIN i think she just
continually kept her mind on what was, Next what was,
next what's the next, play what's the next opportunity for
us to? Score and if you're able to do, that
you don't dwell or pat yourself on the back for
what just. Happened and she has a great ability to
keep moving and wanting to compete and do her best

(54:18):
the very next. Point and that's what elite competitors.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Do it was such a great atmosphere at THE Yoump.
Center and in case listeners don't know if they don't
always play their, matches BUT uk draws a, crowd so
that's why that match was in The Young. Center it
kind of felt like AN ncaa. Tournament but we talked
about the crowds and you love reading, about you, know
the records That creighton sets for our attendance In nebraska

(54:42):
and all, that BUT i really like how Intimate Memorial
coliseum can be for your alls matches that lower. Ceiling
it's a great facility. NOW i mean it was, good
but now it's.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
GREATER i think the crowds have really helped you.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Guys, yeah you, know you love to see the big,
ones BUT i do, like LIKE i, said that intimate
feeling at the. Coliseum has it worked out the way you?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Hoped?

Speaker 7 (55:10):
WELL i think every person that has you mentioned something
to me about our team or being at the match
has just, said what a great, Atmosphere and you, know
they just you, know have really enjoyed the you, know the,
crowd the the, music the, production the, band you, know
and obviously the performance of our players and the passion
that they play. With and you, Know i've always, said you, KNOW,

(55:34):
i you, KNOW i want the people in the building
to want to come down and join, us AND i
think you're kind of seeing that with this, team and you,
KNOW i just get. Gooseb i'm thinking about what our
crowd has done for us already and when that thing is,
full you, Know i'm just going to be the major
home court advantage and we're going to really need that
as we go through the.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Season, yeah but if you haven't been there, yet after the,
match the players come and they interact with the, Fans
they mingle with the, fans AND i know they enjoyed
that as. Well, coach thank you so. Much best of
luck In oxford tomorrow, night and we'll talk to you.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Soon absolutely appreciated. That come of great.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
DAY i want to come stay with us here on
six point THIRTY Wlap welcome back quick segment here because
coming up next we're going to go back to a
FEATURE i did back In, may was the anniversary of
The Preakness stakes won By Sunday. Silence he is going
to be honored on This.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Sunday there's a.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Mural over In Bourbon county where he was born and
raised At Stone, farm owned By Arthur hancock and his
Wife stacy and their great. Family and Last, may back
on the anniversary of The Preakness, STEAKES i played part
of an interview that The Blood horse did With Arthur,
hancock and we went back and revisited The Kentucky derby

(56:49):
win over the Great easy Go. Er everybody thought that
was the greatest horse to look through a bridle And
Sunday silence beat, him and then he jumped up and
won The preakness as. Well easygoer got the better of
him in The Belmont stakes on his home, track but
Then Sunday silence meet him in The Breeders'. Cup it
was a great rivalry and this was a great. Horse

(57:11):
and coming up next we'll revisit that, feature the conversation
The Blood horse had With Arthur, hancock the great, races
The derby and The, preakness and just the actual story
About Sunday. Silence it was a cult that went through
the sales. Ring nobody wanted, him and he almost died
in a van, accident but survived, it of, course and
went on to become a one of the all time

(57:32):
great sires In. Japan so it's a great story and
we'll revisit that with you coming up. Next in a,
Reminder kentucky football comes Up saturday. Afternoon of course it's
a noon, kickoff and our coverage starts right here at
ten am With christy And logan And. Ricky stay with
us here on six point Thirty Wlap welcome back to

(57:54):
The Big Bluon. Cider coming up On sunday over In Bourbon,
County they're going to unveil a mural to pick and
honoring the Great Sunday. Silence he was the nineteen eighty
Nine Kentucky derby. Winner he was owned and raised By
Arthur hancock Of Stone, farm part of the Great hancock.
Family it Was arthur's Second Kentucky derby. Winner but just

(58:14):
a really special horse and a great story behind this
horse that at first nobody. Wanted he almost died in
a van, accident and he just kept plugging along And
arthur hung with the horse and eventually he was one
of the Great Kentucky derby, winners one of my. Favorites in,
fact he didn't win in a great, time but there's
a story behind that as. Well but earlier this, year

(58:37):
on the anniversary Of Sunday, Silences preakness. VICTORY i pulled
out an interview That arthur had done with the Blood
horse and we excerpted it here on The Big Moon,
sider AND i thought that ahead of this, weekend especially
weekend for the horse and A hancock, family we would
revisit my conversation With Arthur, hancock the owner of the
Great Sunday, silence who will be Honored sunday over In Bourbon.

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County this is.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
The time of year when people pay.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Attention even if you're not a horse racing, fan you
pay some, attention Especially derby week of, course but if
there's a triple crown up for, grads and sadly there
is not this.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Year but there was in nineteen eighty, nine and the reason.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Was because of a horse that, was by you, know
Usual thoroughbred, standards not the prettiest animal you're going to.
See and his name Was Sunday, silence and he was,
black technically dark, brown but. Black you, know you've got
to qualify in a certain way to be in the
jockey club, black But Sunday silence looked jet. Black, again

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not the prettiest of, horses but man could he. Run
and it's a great Story this is, why if you'll indulge,
Me i'm going to share it with you BECAUSE i
covered that horse as The Thoroughbred Racing guy AT Wkyt
channels twenty, seven and to, me it was a great
story because he was owned. Locally he was his way

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To Churchill downs out In, california But Arthur hancock owned. Him,
arthur of, course From Stone farm over outside Of paris
And Bourbon, county the brother Of Seth, hancock part of
That Clayburn farm. Family it's a famous. Story Bull hancock
was the great horseman who you, know Created Clayburn. Farm

(01:00:22):
and then when he, died the board of directors Named
seth the younger brother to run the, farm Not, arthur
the older. Brother So arthur set off and bought his own,
land created his own farm Called Stone. Farm he liked
the Name stone just because it, was you, know of the,
earth that kind of. Thing AND i got to Know

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arthur and his, Wife, stacy who grew up In louisville
AS i. Did she went To Westport High, school which
doesn't exist, anymore But Westport High school was one mile
away from from my. Home IF i had not gone To,
trinity which was one mile this direction toward the. West
one mile east Was Westport High. School in, FACT i
went to summer school there to take typing BECAUSE i

(01:01:05):
wanted to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Journalist all, right there you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Go so, ANYHOW i got to be very friendly with The,
hancocks AND i began to really Follow Sunday silence his
Progress derby. WEEK i got there On monday, morning AND
i liked him because he had won The Santa Nita.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Derby But Easy goer was the. Horse Easy goer was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
A son of the Great Ali, dar you, know the
horse that came in second to a firm and all
three legs at a triple crown in nineteen seventy, eight
and he was supposedly the greatest horse to look through
a bridle in the last twenty five or fifty years or.
Whatever big beautiful red horse reminded people Of secretariat was
coming Through New. York so he Had New york hight

(01:01:45):
behind him and a great trainer in sug, McGee And
Sunday silence was kind Of he wasn't a little, horse
but in terms of his reputation was you, know shaping
up as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
The little horse that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Could but the REASON i bring it up is because
The Preakness stakes that he won after he won The
derby was probably still the Greatest preakness steaks THAT i
had ever seen leading up to this recent one Where
journalism managed to fight his.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Way to the finish.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Line two different types of, races because in eighty nine
it Was Sunday silence And easygoer battling down the stretch
one on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
One he'll hear that in a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Moment but WHEN i was looking at this Year's, preakness asking,
myself was it the Greatest i've ever, SEEN i had
to go back to one of my favorites in eighty.
Nine but let's back it. Up Sunday silence was lucky
to be. There he got, really really sick when he
was a weanling and survived this terrible virus that might

(01:02:44):
have killed, him but he didn't pass the eyeball. Test
he was not the prettiest of, horses and in a great,
coincidence he was bred and owned by Oak Cliffe's, stables
the guy who owned that outfit out Of. Texas Oak
cliffe is a part Of. Dallas that's WHERE i lived
WHEN i was In. DALLAS i didn't know that until.
Recently he was bread known By Oakliff stables at, first

(01:03:04):
but As Arthur hancock Told Bloodhorse magazine there's a video on,
YouTube he was not a pretty. Horse and one of
the people who worked for Oak Cliff, stables owned By Tom,
taysam there was a guy Named Ted keefer who made
a pointed comment when the colt was just a full
and hadn't turned, black and he was kind of silver

(01:03:25):
gray running around the paddock and some people liked, him
but this guy Named Ted keeper did.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
Not and one time they brought him out And ted,
said put that sun bitch, up Said i've seen him.
Enough this was another time And Pete logan, said Mister
pete said, this he, said Mister keefer said the roses
looked mighty pretty around his, neck And ted, said the

(01:03:53):
only time that sun bitch will have roses on him
is when he's six feet under the. Ground And i'm,
saying they're, thinking what is this so? Eerie you know?
This he hated this, Horse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
And again That's Arthur hancock talking to The Blood Horse
magazine on. Camera might have hated the horse just because
the horse was funny, looking who. Knows so they put
him in The July select sale At keelan, right but
they didn't think he'd get, much and sure enough the
bidding came in and they didn't even get what they

(01:04:26):
were hoping to. Get So arthur stepped.

Speaker 9 (01:04:28):
In they put him in the sale and the summer
sale At keenlum and he was going to go for ten,
eleven twelve, thousand AND i jumped, in started, bidding brought
bought him back for seventeen AND i took the ticket
out To time behind the, pavilion Said, TIME i bought
that cold back for the Wishing well cold because he
went too. Cheap and he, Said, arthur we don't want

(01:04:50):
him Because ted doesn't like. Him AND i HAD i said.
OKAY i handed him the you, know The saale slip
AND i said, okay stuck it in my short, pocket
AND i remember, thinking, WELL i GUESS i just blew
another seventeen doollsan owed a lot of money at the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Time and that's the part of thoroughbred racing that a
lot of people who don't like it don't. Understand it's
not simply a bunch of rich people playing with their.
Toys there are jobs on the line every, week every,
month every. Year there are smaller farms and employee, people
and you, know provide for the tax base in the

(01:05:29):
state Of kentucky and other. States so it's kind of
a misunderstood sport in my. Opinion and in talking To
arthur through the, years he made me understand, that you,
know he had a, mortgage he had borrowed against, land
things like. That he's trying to make ends meet doing
the one thing he knew, best and that was thoroughbred.
Racing so moving, ahead they send the horse To california

(01:05:51):
to try to sell him as a two year, old
and once again he doesn't get nearly the money that they,
needed so they decide to bring him. Back, well he's
in a van with other horses and somewhere In South,
texas the driver of the van has a heart attack and, dies.
Crashes one or two of the other horses was. Killed
Sunday silence was seriously. Injured but he comes back and

(01:06:17):
they think he's never going to race. Again they just
turned him out of the field and they, thought, well
we'll just try to sell him as a saddle horse or.
Something but within a week to ten days he was
racing around the field looking like a race horse.

Speaker 9 (01:06:29):
Again it's the perfect tale of the ugly duckling turning
into a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Swan so when.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
He had fully, recovered they send him To california To Charlie,
whittingham The hall Of fame trainer since, passed but back
then known as one of the greatest in the history
of the. Game And charlie on the phone one morning Told,
arthur you know, this this black sob that you Named Sunday.
Silence arthur pulled that name from A Chris christofferson. Song

(01:06:58):
arthur was a big. Songwriter, Anyway whittingham, said this horse
can run a little. Bit so they ran him at age,
two didn't win, anything was second in a maiden second
in an allowance.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Race but at age three they raced him At Santa.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Anita he wins an allowance, race then he wins The San,
felipe then he wins The Santa Anita. Derby so now
the ugly duckling has become a, swan and now he
qualifies for The Kentucky. Derby so Obviously Arthur hancock's, excited
and they ship him. East AND i will never forget

(01:07:37):
spending a lot of time on the backside that week
with The, hancocks AND i was walking over to the
barn On. Thursday After, Sunday silence worked a half mile
in forty five and change of forty six And arthur
had just Left Charlie whittingham side and he was Blown

(01:07:58):
arthur was blown away by the, work and he was
more impressed after he had talked To charlie as they
walked back to the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Bar so we were.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Walking back And charlie, said my, boy we will get
the Money. SATURDAY i, Said, charlie you really think? So he,
said my, boy we will get the. MONEY i, said
what do you think of his? Work he, said, well
a good horse will work like. That he, said this
is a good. HORSE i, said you really think we
can beat easy? Gore he said it was the third

(01:08:26):
time he said we will get the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Money AND i.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Didn't know this UNTIL i watched this video From Blood.
HORSE i didn't know that they had that. CONVERSATION i
probably should have BECAUSE i come up To arthur AND i.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Said how did he? Look what did you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Think and he told me the Time he knew the
time at that point of the, work and his eyes
were bugging out of his head and he looked like through,
me and he, goes that's a heck of a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
WORK i, said, yeah and then he said it. Again arthur,
said that's a heck of a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Work that was the point WHERE i became convinced this
is the HORSE i need to be on in The Kentucky,
derby Not. Easygoer Sunday silence would be my key, horse
my big money, horse.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Right and at that Point arthur still wasn't sure the
horse could win The derby and Beat, easygoer but he
thought he could get a piece of the purse and
pay some.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
BILLS i, MEAN i owed a ton of, money AND
i had bought all this, land you, know and a
lot of. Horses and then it was eighty eight that
crash came and what was worth a dollar in land
or horses became worth about thirty. CENTS i, thought, well you,
know if we run, second that that wouldn't be. Bad

(01:09:36):
and then we got the previous a. MINUTE i prepared,
myself you, know for whatever eventuality.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Occurred so then Comes derby day and Again i'll never
forget handicapping a race and asking myself which horse DO i?
LIKE i, MEAN i had been swayed by re and see,
biased by being around the, handcocks by watching the, horse
And i'd watched The easygoer as, well and that was

(01:10:06):
a great horse and a great trainer In sugar. Mcgaheet
BUT i remember That Easy goer as a two year
old had raced The Churchill downs and didn't really like the.
Track and, again two year old versus three year, old big.
Difference but horses that show you they don't like the
track At churchill or really anywhere, else BUT i think

(01:10:26):
Particularly churchill that's. Telling that's WHY i kicked myself after the.
DERBY i mentioned this on the show When sovereignty, won
he had already won on that. Track i'm, like what a.
DOPE i didn't bet, him you, know the WAY i should,
Have and the reason was it was an off track that,
day but the horse still liked the. Track so, ANYHOW
i took a, big deep breath AND i threw Out,
easygoer AND i MEAN i had him in an exact or.

(01:10:49):
Whatever BUT i bet big On sunday, silence and sure,
enough on a, cold bitter, day it was spitting, snow
really uncomfortable out. There But i'm standing on the track
and here he came the black horse Rider Pat belnezuela
in kind of grayish silver and gold silks lying down

(01:11:14):
the stretch in the middle of the track.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
On a weaving like a drunken. Sailor on the.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
Inside thing Comes easycoverer and the awe inspiring cover with
the sixteenth of a mile ago and here Comes Sunday.
Silence do this trench coming to the finish of The?

Speaker 12 (01:11:28):
Derby Sunday, silence when is this company fight too?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Lax and That's Dave Johnson CURTISY Abc. Sports So Sunday
silence wins The Kentucky. Derby next Stop. Baltimore we'll have
that after the break on six thirty. Wlap welcome back
to The Big Boon. Satay we're looking back on the
career Of Sunday, silence the nineteen eighty Nine Kentucky Derby
winter because On sunday over In Bourbon county they will

(01:11:53):
unveil a mural honoring the great racehorse that was owned
and raced By Arthur hancock and his. Family and here
is more of a special feature we did earlier this
year on the anniversary Of Sunday silence's great victory in
The Preaking, mistakes one of the greatest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Races you'll ever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
See and this includes a conversation With Arthur hancock That
The Blood horse recorded from him with him some years,
ago and if you're just joining, us we talked about
How Sunday silence survived an illness as a. Weanling he
was in a terrible van accident In South texas when
he was being shipped From california back To. Kentucky nearly

(01:12:33):
died from those.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Injuries but recovered and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Prospered as a three year, Old colt won The Santa Anita,
derby then won The Kentucky. Derby so now they ship
him To baltimore where he's going to Challenge easygoer once.
Again and a lot of people, thought, well you, know
maybe the derby was a. Fluke the time was terrible
than the. Derby it was like two five.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Or something like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
That And arthur pointed out to me, pragmatically AND i
forgot about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
This it was an off track that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Day it was kind of a muddy track because of the,
day LIKE i said, earlier bad weather and off and
on rain and. Snow and in the post parade one
of the horses threw a shoe and so instead of
scratching the, horse they rushed the horse back in under
the spires into the, paddock and you, know ferrier came
rushing out and they reshod the. Horse but meanwhile the derby,

(01:13:29):
field those horses waiting to, run circled in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
The mud for, gosh eight or nine ten, minutes and
they finally load him into the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Gates so those horses got an additional work At think
about that if you're gonna go, sprint but first you
walk in the mud for about ten minutes in a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Circle and he was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Right so a Tiring Sunday, silence but all the other
horses were tired, too comes weaving down the, stretch weaving
in and, out but he was well clear of the
rest of the horses and wins The derby. Convincingly but
a lot of people thought it was a. Fluke the
experts believe that this one would go to Easygo, er
That Sunday silence ran a nice, race but this time

(01:14:13):
the big horse From New york is going to get
the black Eyed. Susans, well it didn't quite turn out that.
Way it was a great, race and as they turned for,
Home Sunday silence was on the front end and An
Easy goer moved past. Him and if you're watching the.
Race you, thought, well that's. It AND i REMEMBER i
was over at THE tv station for whatever reason on
That saturday, afternoon That saturday. Evening ordinarily worked On saturdays

(01:14:37):
if we were really busy or had something else going,
on Or i'm filling in for one of the anchors or.
Whatever BUT i happened to be, there AND i remember
we were all crowded together in the main room watching
THE tv And i'm screaming at the top of my.
Lungs and as they were racing down the, STRETCH i
See easygoer put his head in. FRONT i, thought, well that's.

(01:14:58):
It and then here's something that you never are you
rarely see in deep stretch like a sixteenth of a mile,
Ago Sunday silence retakes the. Lead OH i wasn't the
only one who saw. That as they were coming down the.
Stretch Arthur hancock saw it, happen and he admitted to
The Blood horse on camera in this video that he

(01:15:20):
did ten or eleven years, ago that he basically had
resigned himself to the fact that Easy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Gore was going to.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
Win Sunday silence was there And Easy gore kind of
swept past. Him looked to me like he might have
shut him. OFF i was, watching But Sunday silence dropped
back a length or two AND i dropped my glasses
and said To, STACY i, said, Easy, gore just shut us.
Off that's WHAT i, thought looking through.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
That he.

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
Didn't he was far enough out, there but he swept past.
Us AND i thought with a move like, THAT i
thought it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Over a lot of people thought it was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Over But arthur's, Wife, stacy she had her eyes on
the race and at one point she screamed To, arthur
he's coming.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
Back stacy, said he's coming. Back he's coming. Back you want,
it buy a?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Nose, yes he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Did and here's the Way Dave johnson called it FOR Abc.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Sports midway on the, turn.

Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
Dance on the outside of the. Front on the, outside
your Comes Sunday silence to challenge down there heads a,
Park Sunday. Silence Pat plazola Takes sunday at a quarter.
Pole easy goer back in the second, Position dancel's coming
on third in the, stretch on the outside Of Sunday
silence on in the, Height easy goer head. Down Let's french,
say come on the outside And Sunday. Silence hazy goer

(01:16:38):
with ses day back To jalis has a bark hazy
goar on the inside of the slight headed by Outside Sunday.
Silence you're on the far.

Speaker 10 (01:16:46):
Back here's the day of the.

Speaker 12 (01:16:47):
Creaks sunday sup an.

Speaker 11 (01:16:49):
Easy or photo Bay no you?

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
APART i can't.

Speaker 11 (01:16:53):
Tell but on the Outside.

Speaker 12 (01:16:54):
Sunday side us for pat.

Speaker 11 (01:16:55):
Velinzoila he's waving a. Quickling he thinks he wanted the
time fifty three and four fifty seconds a tramatic photo.
Finish Either Sunday silence on the outside twinner of The,
derby who will try to make it two steps to
the triple?

Speaker 12 (01:17:10):
Crown or?

Speaker 11 (01:17:10):
Easy you are at the rail with Pet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Day what a finish yad was And Sunday silence wins.
It and, basically As Arthur hancock put, it saved their.
Farm because of the money he made by winning both
The derby and The, preakness A handcock family was able
to pay some bills and keep people.

Speaker 9 (01:17:30):
Employed Sunday silence was a gift From, god and he saved.
Us he SAVED i had wife and, children And Sunday
silence saved. Us he saved the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Farm of, course the two horses hooked each other again
and The. BELMONT i actually went and covered That belmont
BECAUSE i wanted to be there if The hancocks won
a Triple. Crown But easygoer racing on his home, track
a bigger track with the wide sweeping turns which benefited
a big horse Like, easygoer wins on his home turf
and Prevents Sunday silence from winning The Triple. Crown arthur

(01:18:04):
admitted he was, disappointed but he said when he got into,
it all he ever dreamed about was winning The. DERBY
i didn't dream about winning the Triple. Crown just get
me A Kentucky, derby which he, did and the horses
hooked each other again in The Breeders cup the following.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Fall And Sunday silence won it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Again and if you remember the story from earlier When
whittingham Told, hancock my, boy we're gonna get the. Money
prior to The Breeders, CUP i was told of second
hand That whittingham was talking to A pr person from
The Breeders. Cup she said something To charlie about you,
know he's got a pretty good chance at, winning and

(01:18:39):
he turned to her and he, said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Bleeping he bleep we're gonna win that bleeping.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Money and she, said, yeah you got a big, chance
and he said it, Again we're gonna win that bleeping,
money which is when they loaded up out there On Sunday.
Silence so a great, horse and, again As arthur, said
the ugly, duckling that truly became a swan and save
the family. Farm, now business being, Business arthur had to

(01:19:03):
sell the. Horse he wanted to keep, him but he
ad bills to, pay so he sold him to a
group From, japan And Sunday silence went on to become
the greatest sire in the history Of japanese. Racing there
are champion horses Throughout japanese racing now that trace their
lineage back The Sunday. Silence arthur brought him home at one,

(01:19:26):
point and he spent a lot of time in his
later years back here In, kentucky but eventually went back To,
japan and the horse actually died In, japan not until
he had, become of, course a great race horse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
And a great. Sire and he will be honored On
sunday over In Bourbon. County that's going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
It thanks To Craig, skinner thanks To Ryan, black that,
said good nights in the garage In lexington.

Speaker 10 (01:20:01):
Packed that senating to back Out statuta tast dips into

(01:21:22):
donating to theos

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