2025-10-09 BBI

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to The Big Blue Insider. Dick Gabriel with you
on a Thursday edition of our show back in the
Saddle after taking off yesterday. I hope you enjoyed the
best of the Big Blue Insider. Had to have a
little cancer surgery taken care of skin cancer, and as
I said I preached throughout the show, I don't like
to preach to you guys, but I will when it
comes to something like this. I was going through a

(00:23):
regular routine dermatology checkup and they spotted not one, but
two instances of skin cancer. I have the second one
taken care of next Wednesday, but please please get yourself
checked out. Mine are the type that is. They aren't
quote unquote serious right now because they caught him early,

(00:44):
but they could turn into something terribly serious obviously if
you let it go. So please don't wait. And here's
the weird thing. One spot I could feel there was
something strange like this, This shouldn't be here. The other
thing they showed me in the mirror. I couldn't even
see it, and of course the doctor's specialist and she
saw it immediately, you know, when I heard her looking

(01:06):
at it, she said, huh, what's the you know, and
she looked closer and there it was. Showed it to
me again. Yesterday they had marked it. I could barely
see it then, but they went in. They got it.
They said they got all of it. Uh, next week's
will be a little more serious. But again they caught
it in time. So please please get yourself checked out

(01:26):
because something that you can't even see could turn into
something literally deadly. So please get yourself checked out. Just
just do it once a year, go to your dermatologist
and get it checked out, and you'll be glad you did.
All right, Preaching time is over. Now let's talk sports.
Let's talk Kentucky basketball. Because of the Kentucky Pro Day.

(01:47):
On Tuesday night, I was coming at you on the
radio and on TV. I was fortunate enough to work
the telecast on SEC Plus with a great Jack Gibbons,
who was a classmate of mine way back in the day.
We were at classes together. As Jack said, well us
because you never went the class, but we were never
scheduled to have class together. But that's how long I've

(02:07):
known Jack. Since he signed as a high school senior
out of Bryan's station. And of course he went off
and played in the NBA. Worked in the NBA as
a broadcaster, but when he came back, he started his
broadcasting career with me at a different radio station and
on the old telecable. He remember tele Cable, the first
cable outfit here in Lexington. Jack and I did not

(02:29):
just the high school games on the radio station, but
we worked Transylvania University games for two years. We did
the home games and some away games as well, and
the home games were broadcast not just on the radio,
but also on telecable. They were simulcast. They were the
first basketball simulcasts really in the history of lexinghon television.

(02:52):
And we did Transylvania games back then. So we got
to be broadcast partners and buddies. And I love working
with Jack, and I got to tell you he is
so excited about this Kentucky team. He really really liked
last year's team. He really did. But of course, because
he is the broadcast partner of Tom Leech on the
UK Sports Network, he goes to practice a lot, and obviously,

(03:14):
knowing basketball the way he does, he sees things that
most of us don't. And when we were sitting in
practice on Monday, he was sort of doing a running
commentary on the players, pointing things out to me, it
was really fascinating. I wish you all could take part
in something like that. But he did it on the broadcast.
We went on the air. We were on the air
for almost two hours, and afterwards, Camerra Mills was there

(03:39):
and he walked up to me and he said, what
could you possibly have to talk about for two hours?
But we did because for one thing, we talked to
the assistant coaches and I know a lot of you
were ticked off. We saw you on Twitter that when
they'd show the coaches and US people would scream on Twitter,
show the players, you know, but it was really interesting
hearing the coaches talk about the players from their aspect,

(04:00):
and we're gonna hear one of those coaches coming up
a little bit later on. But we went through that
two hours like it was nothing because Jack did such
a great job of running with whatever I pitched to him,
and he'd see somebody pop up on the screen and
start talking in depth, and we went back. I checked.
We talked in at length about every scholarship players. My

(04:22):
apologies to the walk Ons, we didn't get into them,
but Jack Gibvans went deep on everybody, and we showed everybody.
And after the scrimmage was over, we had a chance
to talk with the head coach, Mark Pope for a
couple of minutes, and obviously he's as pleased as he
was when he talked to us on media day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I like our guys.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I thought they were competitive like they always are, and
I love that. It was nice because we've kind of
had this White team together for a little while and
so they got their first kind of scrimmage ish win today,
which is something we've been looking for. Blue's been dominating
for the last four days. But I like the guys, man,
We got a lot of competitive guys. We have so

(05:06):
many little pieces that we can tweak and it's it's
just a matter of getting to them the little things
we can try. This is gonna be an incredibly fun
team to coach at Chureful.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It took you a while to get that White team
put together, man. I mean one of the things I
really like watching practices all the different lineups you put
out on the floor. And I know that was by
design because you probably wanted to see how this guy
works with us. When then all of that kind of
stuff but it has to be nice when you can
put a different white team on the floor five days

(05:37):
in a row.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
What's been fun for me is it's been fun and
really challenging. Is usually I can stack a team and
know the outcome, and I've tried for the last five days,
I've tried to stack a team and get the predicted
outcome and practice and I can't. I've actually talked to
the guys about that, like we try to trick it
up and stack it and who's playing, well, let's put
them all together and then for sure the other team

(05:59):
raised up, just like this is a this is a
team with great depth and the great competitive spirit, and
so it makes this I mean, I can't wait, Like
it is such a joy to coaches.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Team was the last word we lost there coach this team.
So coming up next we're gonna hear some comments from
Jack and said a little bit later on, we'll hear
from one of those assistant coaches, and I think we'll
try to work in an interview with one of the
players as well. So yeah, it's it's crossover time football
and basketball, and of course it's by week for football.
We will talk from Kentucky football coming up, but basketball

(06:33):
is the news of the day, and in fact, Kenny
Brooks with great news for the UK women's program. They
now have the nation's number one recruiting class for twenty
twenty six and it's early, but thanks to the news
that Emily McDonald has committed, UK right now is number one.
She posted to social media one thousand percent committed in

(06:54):
all caps. She is from Long Island, New York, glenn
Head Lutheran Forced A combo guard one service has her
a five star overall. She's ranked number thirty six. She
is the number two combo guard in the twenty twenty
sixth class as rated by two four to seven Sports.
She chose Kentucky over North Carolina, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, and

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a lot others including Virginia Tech. She is the third
McDonald's commit for Kenny Brooks in this class and according
to two four to seven Sports composite, as I said,
number one nationally. They got a four star point guard
Madden Greenway from Minneapolis number eight overall, and Savvy Swords,

(07:41):
a four star small forward from the same high school
as this kid. Swords is number fourteen overall, so the
same high school as McDonald and Kenny Brooks getting it
done out on the recruiting trail. That's big news for
the Wildcats. So was Kentucky volleyball's win last night over

(08:03):
Texas A and M. The Aggies ranked ninth in the country.
That means four top ten wins. They were top ten
at the time for the Wildcats this season already four
top ten wins. You've got Louisville, You've got Texas A
and M, You've got SMU and Penn State, and you
would have had Nebraska, but that one got away, you know,

(08:24):
the reverse sweep or Kentucky was up to nothing but
eventually lost three to two. But anyhow, Eva Hudson massive
once again, twenty four kills, just two errors. She hit
three seventy three for the match. And again this was
on the road, this was down at College Station, So
another huge win for the Wildcats. Ranked third in the

(08:44):
country right now. Cassie O'Brien, who is from the state
of Texas, the freshman center Freshmen of the Week right
now in the SEC forty eight assists and twelve digs.
So as a center, she's getting it done bolt on
offense and defense. So again a big night for Kentucky. Volleyball,

(09:05):
and while we're looking at UK women's sports, maybe the
best player ever to play for Kentucky women's basketball, Ryan Howard,
has been named to the WNBA All Defensive Second Team.
She led her team as a ranked tenth in the
league and steals at around one and a half last season,
sixteen games with multiple steals in twenty twenty five, and

(09:28):
was third on her team in block shots. He averaged
nearly one block per game. She had six blocks in
one game against the Dallas Wings back in August and
had six three pointers, so she had a huge game
that night, and she was huge all year long. Three
time All Star, Olympic gold medalists in three on three basketball,
So what a career she has going average seventeen and

(09:50):
a half points per game, average three threes made per game,
four and a half rebounds, four and a half assists
per game, and average one and a half steals per game.
So Ryan Howard is the Dreams first WNBA All Defensive
Team selection since twenty twenty. Big night for UK basketball.

(10:11):
While we're talking UK basketball, the all time leading men's scorer,
of course, Stanissel played for the Kentucky Colonels led them
along with artist Gilmour and Louis Dampier to an ABA
championship back in nineteen seventy five. Well, they followed that
up in the offseason with an exhibition game on Wednesday,
October eight. So it was fifty years ago last night

(10:34):
that the Kentucky Colonels played the defending NBA champion Golden
State Warriors and beat him. Golden State feature Rick Berry,
who was a guy who bounced back and forth between
the ABA and the NBA, playing the leagues against each
other to get more money, and good for him. But
John Y Brown believed the Colonels and he was right.

(10:54):
I think believe the Colonels were better than the Warriors,
and believe the ABA was better than the NBA, and
challenged the Golden State Warriors to a series of games
and the winner would declare itself the best in the world. Well,
the Warriors said no thanks, but they did play an
exhibition game fifty years ago last night, and the Colonels

(11:16):
won it. And on the flyer that advertised the game
to be played in Freedom Hall, tickets all available now,
they mentioned that the Colonels had a game coming up
Friday against the Milwaukee Bucks, and then the following Tuesday
against the Buffalo Braves, who eventually moved to San Diego

(11:39):
and became the San Diego Clippers. Now they are the
La Clippers. Larry Johnson played briefly for the Buffalo Braves
before going on to his career great career in Japan.
But yeah, the Colonels played the Warriors fifty years ago
last night and they won it. Ninety three to ninety

(12:03):
was the final. Milwaukee went on to beat the Colonel's
ninety six ninety one, and the Colonels did beat Buffalo
one twenty to one sixteen. So I remember that going on,
and those were the days. We'll take a break, come
back and talk more Kentucky basketball here on six thirty WLAP.
Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider Dick Gabriel with

(12:24):
you coming up in our number two. Sean Woods. They
unforgettable guard Gary Moore or Weston bureau chief usually with
us on Wednesdays, but me being off yesterday, we have
slid them to Thursdays. In a minute, or just Thursday
of this week and next actually in a minute. Jack
Gibbons on what he saw in the Pro day telecast,
But I did want to share with you, and you

(12:44):
may have seen this already, but the story is out
there about the fact that the NCAA has agreed basically
to allow college players to gamble on pro games. And
it's not surprise if you ask me, given the fact
that and by the way, this is for Division one only.

(13:08):
They have not yet voted on D two and D three,
and in order for it to become a rule, those
two divisions have to agree. But the nca Division one
Administrative Committee approved a recommendation to allow college athletes to
legally wager on pro sports. Now, if you ask me,

(13:28):
and nobody did, but here it is. They had to
do this simply because how in the world do you
police it with if divisions two and three agree to this,
about a thousand kids right playing D one sports, D
two sports, D three sports. And so if you catch
one guy or gal illegally placing bets and you got

(13:52):
to suspend him whatever, it'll get tied up in court.
That could happen all over the country. But here's the
other sense that comes into this. Let's say you're a
college athlete and you want to bet. All you have
to do is turn to your non athlete friend and say, hey,
do me a favor, put fifty bucks down on the
Knick Celtics tonight, or you know, take the over and

(14:16):
under do whatever, football whatever. Again, how do you police
that you can't? So this really makes common sense, I
do believe. And again it's I'm sure it sounds naive,
it sounds idealistic. I don't think they ought to be
allowed to bet on college games because it's a short
trip between allowing them to do that and them betting

(14:37):
on their own games, betting on prop bets and affecting
the outcome of games. That's fixing. And I think you
the fan, we as fans, deserve to know that the
athletes playing in these games. And again it might sound naive,
but at least there needs to be efforts in play.
But there need to be efforts in place to keep

(14:59):
this from happening. And this is the genie you let
out of the bottle when you legalize sports betting. It's
happened across the pond in Europe for many, many years,
and they've had issues with soccer players fixing matches. But
that's just something you got you got to deal with.

(15:19):
And you know, the NCA many years ago voted to
do away with a lot of the full time investigators
they had on the payroll because they didn't want to
pay them. Now they may have to. And again, a
lot of these folks are former cops, former FBI agents.
They might do well to rehire or hire new ones
attorneys who can oversee some of this stuff. But if

(15:42):
you don't, you're asking for much bigger problems. And again
D two D three has to vote on this. I
can't imagine why they would vote against it, except to
say that there might be more idealistic people on those
committees than on the D one committee. But according to
the statement they put out, the change allows. This is

(16:04):
from the NCAA conferences and member schools to focus on
protecting the integrity of college games at the same time
encouraging healthy habits for student athletes who choose to engage
in betting activities on professional sports. That's from the AD
at Illinois, who is the committee chairman. And again I
remind you the NCAA in air quotes is people like

(16:28):
Josh Whitman, the AD at Illinois, Mitch Barnhart, the AD
at Kentucky, the AD in Louisville, the ADA everywhere. That's
what in chancellors. That's what the NCAA is. It's not
a group of people that sits on high and simply
overlooks college athletics. It is the member institutions, a collection
of the member institutions. But for some reason, my brethren

(16:50):
in the media, they don't want to see it that way.
But right now, the NCAA, of course investigating thirteen players
from six D one men's basketball program after suspending three
D one program basketball players from D one programs found
to have bet on their own games, and as it says,
they're manipulated their performances to influence the outcomes of games.

(17:12):
They were fixing games, and US fans, we as media people,
everybody deserve better than that, all right, If you think
you deserve better than me, it's coming up here because
Jack Gibbons joins us. Really, this is the commentary he
had right after the UK Pro Day Tuesday evening on
what he saw.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I think if you asked Mark Soape and the other
coaches if this day was a success, I think they
will tell you yes. It seemed to me that this
can be a pro day. The players seemed more relaxed.
They seem to really work hard more aggressive than maybe

(17:53):
some of the other teams might be, just simply because
Mark Pope has spent more time with his guys on
the defensive end of the four then they did on
the offensive end of the four to this point. But
even if you think about it that way, the way
Kentucky shot the ball tonight, I think the NBA scouts,
all the teams are represented here tonight, I think they

(18:15):
walk away thinking this is going to be a really
good basketball team because of the fact you can spread
the ball around, you get a lot of people making shots.
The question is if Kentucky's going to be able to rebound,
going to be effective inside and tell Jayden quaint AND's
get back how they're going to adjust in.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
The painted area.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
But certainly with this team, the athletes should make them
better on defense. The guys who are on the offensive.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
End of the floor feel comfortable in.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Their game, they will shoot the ball better, and I
think it's going to make for a great year for
Kentucky basketball.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
That is Jack Gibbons. That's the commentary that we help
put up on you Sports Network twitter feed. But it
was so much fun because, let me tell you something,
after sitting next to Jack at practice on Monday as
we prepped for the UK Pro Day broadcast and then
working that show with him. It was the second year
I was lucky enough to do that. This guy, this Givens,

(19:18):
as Mark Pope likes to say when he talked about
his players, This Trent Noah, this Jack Gibbons. I can
tell you almost giddy about the prospects of this basketball team.
It is so much fun listening to him and Tom
Leach when things are going well for the Wildcats. Hearing
Jack when a guy is hot and is thrown in shots.

(19:39):
Remember like when Reed Shepherd did last year. Man Jack
had a ball, especially when Kentucky was beating the likes
of Tennessee. I replayed the highlights from Kentucky's win over
Tennessee last year because Jack had such a good time. Man,
he hates Tennessee, not personally, but he just loved competing
against them. That was the arch rival back then when
he was playing and when we were in school together.

(20:00):
But listening to him last night describing the various skills,
pluses and minuses for these Kentucky players was a real treat.
You can find it on the internet if you didn't
get a chance to watch it SEC Plus just google
SEC plus archives and you can pull it up and again,

(20:21):
as you just heard, he is really really excited. He
loved last year's team, really excited about this year's ball club.
We'll talk more Kentucky hoops on the other side of
the break here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back to
the Big Blue and Sider. Coming up in our number two,
Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard, will join us. We'll talk
Kentucky basketball, of course, and West End Bureau Chief Gary

(20:44):
Moore joins us. We will talk football, baseball basketball again.
These two guys usually meet with us on Wednesdays, but
because of my surgery yesterday, they were gracious enough to
shift their time to Thursday of this week. Gracious, but
they do love talking sports with us here on the
Big Moon Sider, which we do appreciate and we appreciate
you being with us. We hope you had a chance

(21:06):
to look in last night on our actually Tuesday night
on the SEC Plus broadcast, Jack Gibbons and yours truly
along with our SEC crew that brought you the UK
Pro Day event, and whether you saw it or not,
I thought we would share with you the conversation Jack
and I had with Michail McClain. We talked to four
of the assistant coaches and got insight from them on

(21:30):
what the team has looked like, how they approached pro day.
And McLain is a guy who has worked with Biggs.
You worked with the Mary Williams last year, works with
the Bigs. But he's big into scouting and the recruiting,
and I asked him about scouting as a college recruiter
as opposed to scouting as a pro and he of

(21:51):
course knows what the pros are looking for, and basically
he said, they're sort of looking for the same thing.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, we look at the same skill sets. Guys
that can guard multiple positions, guys that can play multiple
spots on the floor.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Offensive but we got to be versatile. We have a
very deep team.

Speaker 6 (22:06):
We can do a lot of stuff, fun stuff offensively
and defensively, and we're gonna come a ways this year
for sure.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
You've been around the NBA a little bit, you know
what this is like, what kind of day like.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
This mean to the players?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, whether they want to try to do here, trying
to stay calm and forget about who's in the stands,
but those guys are looking for.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Stuff now something we always say I got this risk band,
we say, same old born habits.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yep, it's just doing the same thing.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Like we're not out of there trying to showcase ourselves
for the Scouts. Our guys are doing the same thing
we do every single day and practice. Goose, You've been
to a ton of practices and games, Like our routine
didn't change because we got Scouts in the gym. These
guys are doing the same thing they've been working on
every single day. They should be proud of the work
they've been putting in, and we we're enjoying the product
that we put out some.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, the thing that's really good about the point you
just made is they go as hard every day in
practice as they have done in this It's really really
good as well.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah yeah, I mean we almost have to dial these
guys down. Like everything we do, they wanted to be
a competition and sometimes for.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
The guys we need to teach a little bit, they just.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
Want to play. They want to file the living snout
out on one another. But I mean, this group, man,
they've been so fun. The leadership from Jalen Lowe otego
oh way Brandon Garrison, Colin Chandler, trendo with just all
of our guys, Like it's just been a unit and
like I said, we're gonna come in waves.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
A big part of your job is scouting.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
How has that changed.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now in the era of the transfer portals? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I mean it hasn't changed much.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
You don't get to go in person and see like
sometimes you might go to a back gym and you
might discover a talent.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Did you get to go watch them three or four times? Now?

Speaker 6 (23:42):
Is us scouring the internet, scouring analytics, scouring video film,
making calls to people that we trust, like how what
is this kid's practice happens?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
How is his family? Does he go to class every day?

Speaker 8 (23:53):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
What is his attendants?

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Like all of that stuff, And now you have to
trust other people's words along with just trusting what you
see on film. But that's the biggest difference is that,
like we're on that computer looking at hours upon hours
and we got to make sure that these kids fit us.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I want to go back a minute, because every coach
we've had over here has the same theme.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Just come up with everyone.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
We have to deal back them back a little bitter
because I And I bring that up because so often
you're trying to get a gott to give just a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Come on, give me a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
But as competitive as these guys have been against each other,
it has to be somewhat rewarding to be able to say, man,
these guys are.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Going to kill each other.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, I got to get them back a little bit.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
We always say the practices are going to be so
much harder than an actual game. I mean, like yesterday,
for example, we have pro day to day. Yesterday was
supposed to be a lighter day to keep these guys fresh.
It was, and these guys are literally trying to fight
one another.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Day was supposed to be a lighter y.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Yes, they're supposed to be a lot of day instead, right,
I mean, guys are diving on the floor, Guys are
climbing over each other's backs for rebound, locking shots, talking trash,
and we're like.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Guys, relax and back then. I mean, they.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Cannot wait to play against somebody else, man, But it
makes our jobs.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
But we never have to dial these guys up.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You know what Mark Poke did when he was playing, Yeah,
but I don't know how often you've heard him talk.
He talks about it to us all the time, and
I produced a documentary on that ninety six team fired.
Every player talk about how tough practice was. Yeah, and
in fact, five on fives when Patino would tell him
we're done, No, we want to play one more because the.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Team that lost didn't want to give up. Oh yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
And Mark is making a sense, it's not quite that
talent level, but in terms of the competitive nature similar, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
I mean, we legitimately have thirteen guys that are good
enough to start at a lot of high major programs.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's a great problem to have.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Like for example, our first practice and RUP about a
month ago, Danzel Averton, we're praying, we're playing, and we
finish our five on five segment and Denzel's like, we're done.
He's like, I want to play some more. Like no,
we have practice again at six in the morning tomorrow.
I don't care. I want to keep playing. We come
back at six in the morning, He's ready to go.
We go back at four that afternoon. They're ready to go.
And it's not just Tanzella's everybody man like the freshman,

(26:13):
like Jasper Johnson loves to who Malacamorano loves to who,
Brandon Garrison loves to who.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
We have a bunch of guys that basketball is.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
We have three guys that literally walk around with the
basketball to class every day. They walk around with the
basketball class. I did not do that. Goose, Goose.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
We went to the golf Goose, Listen.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
We went to the golf course two months ago for
a team retreat. Jaden Queen's had a basketball in the
golf course. Oh man, he's driving not very good, just
like I'm not. And then he's dribbling his basketball around
the range.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Come on, man, the.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Only part of basketball that I would like to see
on the golf course is the hold to be as
big as the rim.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I wish it was. I'm so mad, I'm so bad.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
That's what it would take for me to become a
good bunner.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
You worked with to Mario Williams last year, and the
tip of the cap to you, because he blossom maybe
was good when he got here, he got better. Yeah,
tell me about working with these bigs. I know they're
not the same, but within your offense.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We're being a big who can pass them. I'm hearing
good things about.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Malachi and the other guys.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Yeah, no, I mean Amari Man, I'm already had the
talent beforehand, Like, let's not get it to it. Soamri
was a great passer before I got here. He could
do a lot of stuff. We just unlocked him because
the system kind of unlocked him. But Amari's leadership passed
on to Brandon Garrison. Guys, if you guys can see
the way Brandon Garrison is leading this group with Jayden Quain's,
Malaco Moreno, Reese Potter. Sometimes when the fours come together, like,

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Brandon Garrison has a.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Unique skill set.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
He's not quite the pastor of Mario Is, but he's
almost there. Malaca Moreno has had practices where he's finishing
the week ten to two assist the turnover ratios. Right,
our guys, once they figure out the system and they
get comfortable in it, now the avenue opens up for
them to be able to.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Attack the aggressive offensively.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Right, So all of our guys they're learning how to
pack and be aggressive in our system and impact winning.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Speaking of Brandon Garrison because he's on the screen right now, Yeah,
we saw a lot of improvement in his game last
year from starting to finish what kind of jumps. Well,
he'd be capable of making this year.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think he'll be able to do what he did.
He did what he did.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
In small sample sizes, in terms like he could have
like a six minute verse like Duke early in the
year we were down, Brandon Garrison had a four minute
verse where he took over the game. He might have
only scored four to six points and had like three
or four rebounds, but that burst. It's about sustainability. So
now he's in the best shape he's ever been in.
He could do what he did in twelve minutes and
now like twenty five minutes, and he should never have

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to play twenty five minutes. But it's about being able
to give consistent effort for extended periods of times.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's the biggest difference.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
We Wow, that's an interesting point you made, because again
that's that ninety six team. Antoine Walker led the team
in minutes per game like twenty seven, right, you know,
but you would have thought the way they played that
he was out there for thirty five.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Right, So what a you could come a team's.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
In Wayne Jaionship. Yeah, I mean that's the biggest thing. Man,
Like we are two to three deep at every single position.
Like we have unbelievable leadership at every position, and like
if you watch this practice and you didn't know who
was who, you would never know which group is the
starters of the reserves. Because there's never one team that
wins every day. We could have the same two teams
play against each other. The White team can win three
days in a row and the Blue team will win

(29:12):
the next seven days. Right, So it doesn't matter who's
on each team. That's how competitive and how much they're
making each other better.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
And I know we have to go to a break,
but I want to just go a little bit deeper
because you're talking about the white team and you talk
about the Blue team. But the fact of the matter is
you might have five different White team.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Every single day and five different Blue team. We have
never put a starting group out right now.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
We're just trying to mix and match the talent to
see who can compliment one another. J Loo and Denzel
aberteam did not play on the same team until last week.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Was the first time we put.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Them on the same because we want Jalen Low and
Denzel aberteen to go against each other. We want Cam
Williams and Trenton where to go against each other. We
want all of these guys to bump. Malaca Moreno and
Brandon Garrison eventually can play together. Brandon could play some four.
So we got these guys going against each other, and
then we switched the teams. They're like, coach, I want
to beat them, don't switch the team. Fun, you know,
and you guys have been in practice.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Man, it is fun. Man, there's so much juice in
the gym.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jack. This guy got an undergrad and masters in four
years at Houston Dean's list five times.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
That's five ahead of me.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Nice, jo have you That was a long time ago.
And I know I made the Honor roll a couple times.
Maybe I never made the Dean's list. I can tell
you that. Can you imagine within four years getting your
undergrad and a master's and five times on the Dean's list.
He's a smart guy. So it's Mark Pope saw a
lot of those coaches on that staff, and they have

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put together a really, really good looking team. How they
play this year, well it all depends, of course, and
how it comes together and if they stay healthy. But
it's as McLean said, they have depth at every position.
They did not have that last year. Thankfully they had
depth at shooting guard when Jackson Robinson went down, but
when Lamont Butler struggled with injuries, when Andrew Carr struggled

(30:59):
with injuries, when any of them struggled with injuries. Kentucky
struggled a bit, pulled it together by the end of
the year, of course, but I like this team's chance
is a little bit better. I might end up liking
it a lot better once the season begins. When we
come back, we'll talk more basketball than football. On the
other side of the break here on six thirty WLAP

(31:20):
Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. Coming up in
our number two West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore, in
our Unforgettable Guard, Sean Woods. I wanted to share though,
a couple of things with you, and I will ask
Sean about this. But we're looking, of course at Reed Shepard.
We talked with you last week about the fact that
he is going to get his chance to play major
minutes compared to what he played last year because Fred

(31:43):
van Vliet, the point guard for the Rockets, suffered a
season ending injury before he even got a chance to
play this year. So Shepherd, who is more of a
combo guard, but not a true point guard. We'll get minutes,
but thanks to Van Vlietz torn Acl he got a
lot of spot in the preseason. And there's an article
on Theathletic dot com which also appears, of course now

(32:06):
in the New York Times about NBA sophomores who will
surge or who will slump? This is according to a
writer named Zach Harper, and everybody agrees who covers the
NBA this is an opportunity for Reed Shepard. This guy
was kind of rough on Shepherd, and he said he
still believes that Amen Thompson, Alpern Singing and Kevin Durant

(32:29):
will take the brunt of the offense this year for
the Rockets. But he described Shepherd as a guy who
was supposed to be NBA ready as the number three pick,
and he writes here he was horrible as a rookie
with only a handful of solid performances and kind of
sarcastically calls him and quotes a dead eye shooter who

(32:52):
is just thirty five point one percent from the field
thirty three point eight percent from beyond the arc. He writes,
they need him to be a shot maker and playable
on defense. Well, obviously we are quite biased toward Reied Shepherd,
but I will see this just because a guy in
this day and age, just because a guy, And it
sounds weird to say this is taken with the number

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three pick. Overall, that doesn't necessarily mean he's NBA ready.
And I say this again with all due candidates. Yeah,
I love Jeff Shepherd. When he was here at Kentucky,
Reed Shepherd a former Wildcat, always a Wildcat. But the
Rockets took him even though he wasn't NBA ready. Look,

(33:37):
anybody could look at him. Kentucky fans kept saying Reid's
not ready for the NBA, and I always say it's
not as Reid ready as are the Rockets ready or
as an NBA team ready to take him and train him,
and they were. They knew when they drafted him he
was not ready to step in and be a starting
point guard, obviously because that's not what he did last year.

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But they thought they would have more time given the
fact that they had one of the better point guards
in the NBA and Fred van Vliet, a veteran, so
they believe Reed Shepherd could go to the G League.
Where he tore things up and then come up. He
was up and down a lot, and this guy referred
to that who had a handful of good performances. But

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that's the way it was supposed to be for Reed Shepard.
Not hey, suddenly you're the starting point guard on a
team that is supposed to be playoff ready. But that's
where they are right now because of this injury to
their starting point guard. So I firmly believe Reid will
not be the starter for the Rockets. He might not

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begin the season, but Houston. There was a story out
there the other day about the fact that he has
been named or has been mentioned in terms of speculation
as potential trade bait for a veteran point guard from
somewhere in the league. And that's what happens when a
player goes down like Van Vliet, and the next thing

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you know, they're scrambling to make moves. So it's at
the Athletic dot Com if you want to read it.
Zach Harper is the writer. But that's the way of
the world in the NBA. Yesterday was the sixty ninth
anniversary switching to baseball. Now Don Larson's perfect Game NBC
broadcast the game. Vince Scully was the play by play man,

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and here he is calling the game just for TV,
not for radio, so he doesn't talk too much. And
this is what it sounded like when Larson struck out
Dale Mitchell to end the game.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Two out in the ninth inning, the Yankees two, Brooklyn
nothing but this ballgame is right there on your screen,
and mister Don Larson.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
And then Mitchell will take a big hack, swings and
missus almost comes out of his shoes.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Spike one.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
And the crowd is roaring now.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
And at this Pointarson was taking his time walking around
him mound, adjusting his cap.

Speaker 8 (36:05):
And now there is one's right let.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Mitchell at one point turned his back to the play
just sort of stared off in the center field. I guess,
big deep breath and collecting himself. And again this is
way before there was any such thing as a pitch clock,
so he could take his time and compose himself in
his biggest game ever.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
Fouled away just to increase attention.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
By the way, Don Larson was not a great pitcher.
He was not the ace of the Yankee staff, but
he certainly was on this day against them bums of
Brooklyn Dodgers.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
Gond rate by Don like that, no hit her. A
perfect game in a World married ever in the history
of the game has ever happened in the World Series,
only the second time in baseball history a World series

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very perfect game.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Has been pitched.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Sixty four pounds, five hundred and seventeen. I've seen it
million four on television. Don Larson pitches a perfect game,
rehiring twenty seven Dodgers in a row. The History of
the Other Perfect Game and many other baseball packs found

(37:35):
the parts of the Encyclopedia Baseball. But here at the
Yankee Stadium in the Bronks in New York, the most
dramatic baseball.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Game ever played.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
No man has ever.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Pitched a perfect game in a World Series. Only one
perfect game has ever been pitched, but that was in
the course of the regular season. But when you put
it in a World Series, you've set the biggest diamond
in the biggest rank.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And so that's off to Don Larson.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
No runs, no hits, no errors, no walks, no base runners.
The final score the Yankees two runs, five hits and
no errors. The Dodgers no runs, no hits.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
No errors.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
In fact, nothing at all.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That was the call of the great Vince Scully on
October eighth, nineteen fifty six, sixty nine years ago, yesterday
when Don Larson pitched a perfect game. And again he
was not a great pitcher, but he pitched great on
that night. Later on he said, last night I was
a bum. Today everybody wants to meet me. Well, that

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is the price of fame, especially when you're pitched him
for the Yankees. I number two next six thirty wlapattacka.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Back.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Welcome back to the Big Bone. Sada joining us now
on a Thursday. Usually it's Wednesday for the unforgettable guard
Sean Woods, but we appreciate you shifting over to Thursday
for US coach. You are one week closer the basketball season.
You're Scott County Cardinals. How are things looking.

Speaker 8 (41:02):
We're working on Dick. We getting better, just like everybody else.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Everybody's optimistic, and it's like any other college job I've taken.
You know, it's the first year, trying to change some
things and see what I got. But I'm having fun
and I'm very optimistic, and you know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And right now you're undefeated. Brother, that's the important thing.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
Hey, and everybody don't stay that way too long. So
I'm enjoying it right now.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Day.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, good, we will double back to that. I know
you didn't have time to check out pro day the
other night, but you you have walked in those shoes
of these same Kentucky Wildcats. Maybe not a formal pro
day with a gym chuck full of scouts, but you've
played as a collegiate in front of scouts. I don't know.
Did Patino allow scouts in practice?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (41:47):
Yes, especially at the beginning of the year. They will come,
you know.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay, Well in practices and games, you guys knew when
the scouts were I'm guessing you knew exactly who was there,
and if not, you were aware of their presence. What
is that like for a guy who's dreamed of playing
in the NBA and you're right there, front and center
of these guys, how do you guard against trying to
not do too much?

Speaker 8 (42:11):
Well, it's just like going to an AAU tournament or
a big time camp where there's a college scouts. So
it's the same mentality. You always try to impress somebody
who's got an opportunity to give you an opportunity to
tease to play college basketball, get a scholarship, and once
you get to college, it's the same thing. Now the
pro scouts come and they're looking at you to see

(42:34):
what you can and can't do. Because here's the deal.
When you're an athlete, especially a basketball player, pros want
to see what you can do, what you can do
really really well, you know, because once you get a
job in the NBA, your role changes. You may be
the best do it all player on your team, but
they're looking for certain fits. You know, how well do

(42:54):
you shoot it? Or from a point guard standpoint, can
you really defend? And are you a play maker? Are
you a guy that gets everybody better? Or you may
have a gift to having a knight for the ball
and being a big time rebound or a physical presence.
So every team is looking for something. But your name
has to flourish, and you know, you don't get a

(43:14):
second chance sometimes to make a first impression. So that's
why college coaches trying to put these kids and in
normal college practice setting so as not mainly just trying
to showcaate what their skill is and pro scouts can
get you know, can get whatever they need to get
from that.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I remember a former teammate from Gerald Fitch who said
he he was talking to Gerald when Jerald was struggling
to hang on to an NBA team, And Gerald had
it going for a while there and then had some
personal issues and kind of self destructive, but he was
he was there for a whise. In fact, he started
a few games for the Miami Heat. But his ex

(43:55):
teammate told me that Gerald said, once he realized, Sean,
every team has someone to score the basketball, his job
was to rebound and play defense. And once he became
cognizant of that fact, things fell into place, and I
got to think that that's something each player needs to understand.
Very few NBA teams are looking for someone to score.

(44:18):
They're looking for people to do everything else.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
Is that right exactly? Because on the NBA team is
only going to be one or two primary scorers. Yeah,
everybody else. You got to do the little things. You
got to be a big time defender, you know, you
got to be a big time rebounder, or you just
got to be a spot up shooter. You know, you
really got If you're not going to be the point
guard of the primary playmaker. You got to be able

(44:40):
to really shoot the basketball. And you know, that's why
there's always room in the NBA for guys that can
really really shoot, more so than guys are subpart shooters
that are jack of all trade.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't know how similar your early UK teams were
to this team, Mark Popez now, but I think there
is one similarity in the And we talked about this before.
Rick Pittino inherited a roster that a lot of people
thought was bereft the talent. But you guys knew how
to play basketball, which meant you guys didn't have people

(45:12):
pigeonholed into one job. This guy can only do this
or only do that. A lot of you guys were
better at some things than others, but you knew how
to play the game. And it looks to me like
that's what Pope has right now, guys who know how
to play the game. And as a guy who's a
professional coach, that is a huge plus obviously for guys
like you, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
Let me tell you some dick. I don't care how
talented you are, but if you row and can't think
the game, and you don't have a great feel for
the game. Not only will you frustrate the coach, you'll
frustrate your team because you may have all the athleticism
and ability known to man, but if you can't comprehend
the game of basketball and the strategies and things that

(45:52):
come with it, you're going to struggle. And you know,
the biggest asset that you can have as an athlete,
especially as a bad st football player, is IQ. And
the better your IQ is, the better it is to
coach you, the better it is for you to stay
on the floor. It makes everything better, you know, it
makes the coach look better, you know, because the coach

(46:14):
can only do so much, and he can give you
the strategy and things like that. But if if you
don't have a great feel for the game, you're going
to struggle, and that team's not going.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
To be very very good. I remember talking to an
SEC former SEC coach assistant. He was a recruiter and
he talked about recruiting a kid and actually Kentucky was
after the kid, and they beat him out for this kid,
and he said he was a really great player, you know, athletically,
but they came to realize he didn't have any feel

(46:44):
for the game. He didn't understand why. You know, if
you three your teammates are on this side of the court,
you don't need to be over there. You know, you
need to be over here. The ball needs to go
this way, not that way. I don't know if the
kid ever really he never really became much as player.
You can only teach so much of that stuff, right.

Speaker 8 (47:04):
I used to tell me my sisters all the time,
and I'm sure everybody else does. Don't bring me a
kid that can't play. Don't prem a kid that don't
know how to play, because all he's going to do
is frustrate you. You know, if he can't comprehend the
little things and do stuff, he's going to frustrate you
because he's good enough to get you beat. He's athletic,
you know, he looks like Tarzan, but he's got a
mind of Jane. And what I mean by that is

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he can't think, and you know, or he may be soft.
You know, you may have all the athletic bility in
the world, but you're not a super competitor, you know,
and coaches are looking for two things, a basketball player
that really knows how to play and a super competitive kid.
And if you got two of those things right there.
You got something, and that's what most coaches are looking
for when they're recruiting.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Patino's best team, of course, was his ninety six team.
I thought his best coaching job, though, was the first
year with you guys, quite frankly, because I didn't see
any way you guys were going to win that many games.
But the ninety six team was legendary for the inn
squad game five on five, not just in the Blue
corp it's over to Seaton Center, but in practice. They
never wanted practice to him because nobody wanted to lose

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one of those five on fives. Did you guys have
similar competition, Oh.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
No, doubt about it. What people don't understand this and me,
I have a great appreciation for this, but for being
a coach, and John does too, and even travels to
that point. They can say all they want. If a
coach inherited some guys that don't know how to play,
he ain't gonna be that successful coach. Patino was one
of the luckiest guys in the world. And I said,

(48:32):
because he inherited, we probably weren't the most athletic team
in the world. You know, we probably went on paper
the most talented team in the world, but he inherited
some really really good basketball players, and you can't substitute
basketball players with high IQs. All of us come from
well coached high school program, you know, and we beat

(48:55):
a lot of teams that were talented but weren't as
smart as us. That's how how we beat teams. You know,
if you look at both teams, you come to the
game and you watch both teams warm up, we're down
on one end and that other team's down on the other.
We weren't gonna win at the layup line test, we
weren't gonna win the look tests. But when you throw
that thing up, we were gonna showcase and we were
gonna exploit how and how intelligent we were as basketball

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players compared to that most that more talented team Ali
Alabama Alai LSU's right, you know what I'm saying. We
even go to Indiana and be Indiana, which is probably
one of the most well coached teams and had for
some of the smartest teams you know, players in the
country too. So he inherited some highly intelligent basketball players,
is Sean, and we wouldn't have been as successful so so.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Quick, no doubt is Sewn Woods a highly intelligent basketball coach,
and we will come back and talk more hoops with Sean.
On the other side of the break here on six
thirty WLAP, we're chatting with Shawn Woods. We talk to
them each and every week. The unforgettable guard is Jersey
hangs in the Raptors of rupp. He is a head
coach at Scott County High In of course, played under
Rick Patino back when Patino first got here, And we

(50:03):
were talking on the other side of the break going
in about the fact that, yeah, this is the Kentucky
team that Sean played on initially, the very first team
pre Jamal Mashburn, didn't have a superstar, but beat more
teams than they were supposed to beat. Of course, you
guys pressed like mad. We've talked about that, the conditioning.
But as we were talking about basketball like you, I

(50:25):
got to thank Sean that as the other team became
more frustrated and more fatigued, their basketball like you, probably
withered away, didn't it. I Mean, all they could think
about was surviving instead of thinking about what they were
supposed to do with the ball.

Speaker 8 (50:40):
Am I right, listen to this, dick, just think about this. Okay,
we led the SEC and steals. Okay, we led the
secn points, We led the SEC and the country in
threes and threes attempted. All right, and we want the
most athletic teams. So nine times out of team. When
you're a good defensive team and you leaded a conference

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or country and steals, that means you had a bunch
of smart guys that had great anticipation. And that's who
we were. We still turned the best teams in America
over the most athletic teams in America. Over what frustrated
coach Patino was He left the New York Knicks who
had Patrick Ewing super athletics, Charles out Oakley super athletic.

(51:22):
You know you left big time athletes. But I guarantee
you if you put us in the gym together as
far as running something or the team had to pick
up your system as soon as possible, I'll bet that
I put it on. I go on the line and
say that I guarantee you we were smarter basketball players

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in that New York Knick team with any hair as
far as picking up things. He didn't have to go
through something with us a thousand times. What frustrated him
was we didn't jump over him. You know, we weren't
the fastest team, but by god, we can shoot it.
You didn't embarrass us defensively, and maybe we struggled some
from a rebound standpoint, but we were fundamentally tough to

(52:05):
where we didn't really get dominated on the defense, on
the rebound and the end except for one game against Georgia,
and he came back and said we were going to
practice soon as we got back. Other than that, we
didn't get dominated on the backboard that much. So we
used our basketball IQ to win probably eighty to ninety
percent of our team our games, because there wasn't a game,
even when we played a mid major that we were

(52:25):
more athletic than that team, not even bigger than that team.
To me, our tallest guy was six to seven way
Reggie Hanson probably weighed one ninety seven and he had
to play center against Shaq Darren probably weighed two hundred
at best at six seven. John Pelfrey six seven, six
to eight ball all three of them and no one
weighed weigh more than two hundred pounds, and only one
could jump over a piece of chewl gum and that

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was Reggie, and we still won a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I remember a game, I think it was your second
year when you were playing Louisville at Freedom Hall and
uh huh, I said in the end zone. So when
you guys pressed and Louisville was running at me at
the rim, I was sitting right under I could see
all the contact, all the hacking and the slapping and

(53:10):
the pressure, and it was frustrating. And they had played
you and beaten you guys a year before. But it
was really interesting to me how you got into their heads.
They were combat while they were dribbling and running down
the floor, they're yelling at the refs and you guys, meanwhile,
we're making their lives miserable. What a great plus for
you guys, wasn't it.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
No doubt about it. And we were hungry. Not only
were were intelligent, but we were hungry to prove our
word because we always kept hearing you guys, and you
was one of them at the time saying that we
were just a subpar team. So that lit a fire
under us. Remember what, John Pelfair was the best player
in the state of Kentucky his high school, his senior year.

(53:50):
Darann fellow House was probably second right, not too far
behind them. Okay, Richie Farmer in nineteen eighty eight was
the best player in the state of Kentucky. So you
still had some guys. Even the state guys were still
the top players in that state.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 8 (54:06):
So we didn't have no subpart guy. We didn't have
a McDonald All American at that time or big time athletes,
but we had basketball players, right, And you can't substantiate.
You can give me all the athletes that you want,
but if you give me big time basketball players with
high aqu nine times out of ten, I'm gonna get you.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
And now, Mark Pope has a roster full of guys
or talented who have been proven. You've got a guy
who has a national title ring. You've got a guy
who played in the final four of the year before
that coming through the portal. You've got high school guys
coming in McDonald's All Americans. And yet what he has
in common with Rick Patino I'm talking about Pope with
you as a coach is he has got to push

(54:49):
these guys, he and his staff to do things, to
work hard, to work harder than they'd work if they
were alone in the gym. And that's something all you
coaches have in common, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (54:59):
No doubt about you know, and changing the culture to
where you come from, because Marcus is not like any
coach that these kids have come from, you know what
I mean. And the way he plays. His style of play,
especially offensively, UH is a lot different, uh and more complex,
but it gives these kids more freedom to shoot the three.
So you know, now he's just got to make sure

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to turn the table from a defensive physical standpoint. He's
got physical guys now that are more physical, more physically fit,
mean body wise, but still your culture has got to
continue to change with big defense being the main culprit
to get you over the hump and get you the
Final four status because you know you can score all
those points. All you want is we saw last year,

(55:41):
you know, the best defensive player you know, kind of
crippled us a little bit when he got hurt because
and he was a Final four vet and you can't
you can't. You can't substitute vetteranship and also being a
Final four point guard. You can't substitute that either.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
And with an additional or with an I guess emphasis
on defense. Now they flip flopped it last year. They
worked early on offense. Now's defense that I keep hearing,
and we saw it at PROTA. They are so competitive now, Sean.
You know they don't want practice to end, just like
a lot of your team and the ninety six teams
at all, because they're going after each other so hard.

(56:18):
And that starts with defense, doesn't.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
It, no doubt about it. That's when you can get
RAUNCHI that's when a coach really sets the tone of
that defensive end. Offensive. You know, you may get a guy,
get it, get on a guy for turn the ball
over a lot or taking bad shots, but you can't
substitute the passion and the energy that you're supposed to
put on that defensive end because that creates the culture

(56:39):
and the competitiveness that creates championship teams.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
He's also got five guys six' ten or, taller AND
i got to think at least a couple of them
on the floor together at. TIMES i can't imagine what
the defense is going to look like with a rim
protector because they didn't really have that last.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Year and that's the reason why should be harder to
get to the rim and score at the rim because
of these. Guys you, know, now we just got to
make sure that they're, goons that they're they're just junkyard.
Dogs and if we create that type of culture right,
there because guess, what The university Of houston does NOT
i recruit. Everybody they're not winning the top five recruiting,
class but that culture is one of the tops In.

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AMERICA i put Him Calvin sampson and Coach patino's culture
and the vibe that you get when you walk in.
There you can hear it and feel it as you
walking into the. Building WHEN i feel, THAT i, Know
I'm I'm I'm I'm i'm looking at a championship contender
WHEN i don't feel. That, yeah they may win some

(57:42):
games and you, know you, know win the popularity, contest
but come down In march or winning big time, games
you're not winning. Them And i'm not putting my you,
Know i'm not betting on. That So i'm happy That
marcus doing, that you, know AND i hope he continues
to do. That and sometimes you got to take away
offense because defense creates offensive opportunities, Anyway that's.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Right how cool would be If kentucky And houston or
in the final four at the end of the. Year
that would be something to talk about and if it,
happens we'll talk about it With Sean. Woods we'll keep
talking With Sean. WOODS i have thank, you, coach and
best of luck with you and The. Cardinals we'll check
in on you next, week no doubt about.

Speaker 8 (58:20):
It and That's Scott County. Cardinals don't just Say cardinals
to Be Scott County cardinal's, day got?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
It thank, You hi, Buddy.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
My apologies that was nearly a terrible faux. Pop and he's.
Right it's The Scott County cardinals and we'll be checking
on their progress throughout the. Season and again we Thanks
sean for joining us On. Thursday usually it's On. Wednesday
he'll be with us Next thursday as. Well coming up
next to Our West End bureau, Chief Gary, moore stay with.
Us more to come on six THIRTY Wlap welcome back

(58:49):
to The Big Bone. Sadery yes it Is, thursday but
because we were out, yesterday we have simply made an
audible with Our Western bureau Chief Gary. Moore he is
with us now on our Celebrit pretty hot line with
two guys in a six pack a lot on his.

Speaker 10 (59:03):
Mind, well we got a whole bunch of stuff going
on here. Today in, fact If i'll just turn off the,
phone it will be a lot easier to tell. You
and first of six swigs we have. Here you saw,
THIS i think you've even talked about. It pro football
coming back To. Louisville other than the players getting paid AT,
ufl it's THE, ufl The United Football league big announcement

(59:24):
this week, that of, course the offspring of THE usfl
AND xfl merger a couple of years. Ago, hey why
have two spring football leagues losing money when you can
just Have LOUISVILLE'S ufl team will be called The, kings
as in the sport of as in Billionaire, micropoli who
as you. Know in, FACT i think you Know mike.
Too his horses are well known there At Churchill down we.

(59:45):
Chatted kings will play At Lynn Family, stadium where the
city's two pro soccer teams are. Playing this all starts next,
spring by the, way another springtime football. League dick to
Quote rocky The Flying, squirrel but that trick never, Works,
louisville as you, tried you remember this pro football before
the arena football, team The Louisville fire from two thousand

(01:00:07):
and one to two thousand and eight wasn't really a
full fledged arena football, team was the developmental branch of the.
League let's see see who was the coach of THAT
i believe it was some guy Named Jeff brahm was
the coach of that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Team so why Is?

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
Micropoli he's a smart guy willing to lose, money not
Just louisville's, team but as the league's head of business.
Operations is this like one of those definitions of insanity
of trying the same thing over and over again expecting different,
results or do you think there's got a chance of happening?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Here, well first of, All micropoli is a guy who
has made so much money OFF i, mean horse racing
is money he can afford to. Lose he was the
guy who created vitamin water and sold her for a billion.
Dollars he sold two or three brands for a. Billion
he can fund this league himself with the change in
the sofa. Cushions he can afford to lose this. Money

(01:01:01):
but you Know Gary earl enough to remember the ORIGINAL
usfl which would have made it if not for a
certain orange haired businessman quote unquote In New york who
decided he wanted to run his team like AN nfl,
team and THE usfl owners the rest of them said,
no we can't do. That they had a good model,
going but if flopped because of the guy who owned

(01:01:23):
The New Jersey. Generals SO i just think it's a
matter if they haven't set upon yet a spring football
league formula that has. Worked Maybe ripoli has figured it.
Out look at the end of the, day it's minor league,
football but it's football, plus AS i understand, it they
will have the latitude to stock this team with local
players if they deem, fit so that could be a

(01:01:46):
plus for. It but and they've made a wise move
in going to the soccer stadium and not The Big
slice as we used to call, It Cardinal, stadium so
they keep overhead down a little bit. THERE i kind
of hope it, works BUT i think we both know it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Won't Second squig in the six.

Speaker 10 (01:02:04):
Pack as for other players making money playing, Football uku
OF l and My hilltoppers all have the weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Off, cats as you, know Host texas a week From.

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
Saturday louisville visits number Two miami a week From Friday, Night,
cards by the, way are at fourteen and a half
point underdogs at this. Point but before all, That western
hosts Crummy Florida international And Bowling. Green it's Coming tuesday,
Night it's Right. Tuesday CONFERENCE usa is desperate for eyeballs
on screens anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Now western should win that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
Game as For louisville AND, uk the vibes are not
good over here for both of those, Schools CARDS o
lines getting. Dominated injuries are on both star running. Backs
that's not helping, matters and people are starting to see
Why Miller moss lost his starting gig out AT usc
and with The cats facing a now Unranked texas team
after a bye, week and as we mentioned last, WEEK

(01:02:53):
uk is now oh to five versus the last FIVE
sec teams after a bye, Week i'm thinking why would
next weekend be any? Different but you know, what after
WHAT ucla did To Penn state on their home, field
and we could, go is anything?

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Possible?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah the answer is, yes especially for what you just brought.
Up and you COVERED ucla for a long time when
you were working out In Los angeles when The bruins
had some decent. Teams they don't have a decent team
and they still Beat Penn. State but you, know they're
in the land of horse. Racing we talk about horses
that bounce coming off big. Races, Well Penn state came
up a big race that ultimately lost at the finish

(01:03:30):
line by a, nose and then bounce those. Players it
seemed like we weren't even interested in. Playing of, course
they had to go cross. Country and there's a lot
of research being done immediately now about teams that, travel
and the research is showing the teams that have to
travel primarily ordinarily do not do well in that. League

(01:03:50):
but the coaches had no say in how that league,
expanded so they don't have any say, now and you
really can't listen to them when they plain about. It
but to get back to your, point you, Know kentucky
it's just been out. Manned louisville has got, issues but
who's to say either team can't put it all together

(01:04:13):
on the same. Weekend and by the, way The CONFERENCE
usa schedule that started changing a long time. Ago remember
when they started playing On, Tuesday, Wednesday, friday with no
regard for high school. Sports but they got the eyeballs they,
coveted Didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:04:27):
THEY i sure did third swig in the six. Packs
so no uku of L wku games this. Weekend let
me give you five On. Saturday i'm especially interested in chronological.
Order starting at high noon number Eight bama at number Fourteen,
Miszoo bama is only a three point. Favorite last look
at number two, Here also at high, noon number One Ohio.
State at number Seventeen, illinois The bucks are fourteen a half.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Point favorites in that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
One then you go to three point thirty for The
Red river rivalry number Six oklahoma and previously mentioned Unranked,
texas And texas actually is a point and a half favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
In this one at last looked at three point.

Speaker 10 (01:05:04):
Thirty also the game of the, day which we're going
to go into a little bit more death later.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
On number Seven.

Speaker 10 (01:05:09):
Indiana at number Three, oregon The ducks are seven half point.
Favorites and then at seven thirty you got number Fifteen
michigan at Unranked southern Col The, trojans, though are two
and a half point. Favorites also at seven, o'clock this
could be. Interesting florida at number Five TEXAS a AND. M.
Dick there's got to be an upset and one or
two of, THOSE i, think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah you would.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Think so it's tough to say With Oklahoma, texas as you,
said because they just they're divided by a point and a.
HALF i would love to, know having lived down In,
dallas what Downtown dallas is going to look like On friday.
Night usually it's one huge block. Party and in, fact
the first YEAR i was down, there they told me
stay away from downtown for traffic. Purposes And i'm driving

(01:05:51):
home AND i accidentally took the wrong exit and got
stuck in the middle of, it and it took me
an hour to go two blocks to make a turn
to get back on to the interstate to get. HOME
i would think in terms of the point, spread and
we will talk About Indiana oregon a little, later BUT
i Like indiana to cover that seven and a, half
even though The hoosiers do have to travel all the

(01:06:13):
way out To. Oregon hard to believe sc is a
two and a half point, favorite But michigan is not
last Week's. MICHIGAN i will say. THIS i BELIEVE a
AND m will Pound. FLORIDA i Think florida had a
great time Upsetting texas last, week BUT i think this
Particular texas team will take great pride in taking The gators.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Apart, Agreed fourth.

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
Swig let's go to THE nfl tonight after eight o'clock
four to One eagles against the one in Four. Giants
barkley is back In. Jersey The eggs are seven half
point favorites, tonight and Then sunday we got Another london
game nine to thirty our. Time it's as good a
time as any for a, pint isn't. It broncos and The.
Jets denver is seven half point favorite. There then back

(01:06:56):
here in The, states check out these On sunday if you,
dare you got The ram at The, ravens My seahawks At.
Jacksonville that'll be a hell of a. Game the great
rivalry between The browns at The. Steelers also coming, Up niners.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
At The bucks will be a great. Game and let's
see here.

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
You got Your packers back from a week off sitting
on the couches eating. Cheetos up AT i seventy five
and The. Bengals Then sunday, night what a game this could.
Be lions at The, chiefs and a doubleheader On, Monday
bills at The, Falcons bears at The, commanders And i'm
just wondering if you're going to be going up to
see Your packers And bengals with their new starting, Quarterback Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Flacco did me beat you guys already this year?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Once?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Yeah, yeah thanks for bringing that. Up how about That
Joe flacco gets a chance to beat my guys for
the second time this year since he had to do
something to answer your. Question, NO i won't be making that,
trip BUT i Think Green bay will will after a
week off And Joe, flacco who's a surfaceable, quarterback but
he has forty eight hours to learn the. PLAYBOOK i
think Green bay coming off a tough, one, well it

(01:07:57):
will Destroy. Cincinnati but interesting in that The browns are
starting my man dg Doing gabriel but not Promoting shade
Or sanders to back UP. Qb you know they're gonna
keep him on the inactive, list and your Man Bailey,
zappi a Former, hilltopper will be the BACKUP qb In

(01:08:18):
cleveland for now because they say what's gonna be best
For sanders when they activate him as if he's the
number one, guy so he can get the reps instead
of just standing there in. Uniform you, Know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:29):
I'm nothing to do he's gonna now he's gonna be
doing even more miman in the locker.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Room AND i think You're seahawks. Man they're gonna run
into A jacksonville team that's really full of, itself.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Right uh, yeah and on real grass.

Speaker 10 (01:08:42):
Too, yeah how about, that our Fitzwig. Dick here's something
you may not have heard in a long. Time Major
League baseball has BAFFO tv. RATINGS i haven't heard that,
where maybe because nobody's goofy enough to use an Old
hollywood box office term.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Boffo but check this.

Speaker 10 (01:08:57):
Out last week's Wild card series in both leagues highest
rated ever four point six million, viewers a sixty four
percent increase for the eleven games and the coveted younger.
Demographics they're up eighty nine percent for those thirty five and,
under and for viewers under, seventeen they're up one hundred
and nine. Percent With, otani it's big In, japan as

(01:09:19):
you would imagine when, surprise six point four million viewers
for The Reds Dodgers game, one The Yankees socks winner
take all game last week seven point four million.

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Viewers that's the most in four.

Speaker 10 (01:09:30):
Years but with The yankees, out you lose That New york,
market but maybe with some newer faces in the playoffs
Series Seattle milwaukee could be some more excitement going on.
THERE i haven't seen those ratings yet for this, week
BUT i think the fingers across that it will be.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Good It's brent pretty exciting so far this week it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Has bud you hit the nail because The yankees are. Gone,
interestingly The mets never made it with all the money they,
spend but, uh The. Dodgers, yeah having The dodgers, involved
The socks. Involved but you know WHAT i wonder about.
YOU i know this this does not take into account
eyeballs across the borders In. Canada you've got a really
Good toronto team that's, playing And i'd love to know

(01:10:09):
in terms of total global eyeballs With otani, playing how
many people are actually. Watching so, YEAH i want to
see the follow up on, this but it's good to
know that people are tuning.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
In sixth and. Finals.

Speaker 10 (01:10:22):
Wig considering what's happened on football fields at THE uk AND,
ufl fans are turning their hopes to. Hoops Big Blue
Madness Saturday night Rupp, aerna which sold out in twenty
nine minutes over. There you've been talking about, that The
card season tip off event they've been having for the
past two or three. Years Louisville live has been canceled
for the second time in three years over, here mainly
because it lost money LAST i think couple. Times they

(01:10:44):
did it to make up for. That they're hoping for
a Packed Young Center october twenty fourth for their first
exhibition game against some, team The jayhawks checking notes here From,
KANSAS i, believe, hello same downtown joint for The cats
and The. Cards remember the eleventh eight pm esp In
louisville is number six in THE espn preseason, POLL uk number.

(01:11:05):
Eight They'd purdue it number, one which was. Interesting in,
fact only four out of their top ten ended up
there at the end of the Year, Houston, Duke alabama
And auburn and. Football you, know we had number One
texas at number Two Penn state in preseason rankings and
in the eloquent words of a yellow family, man how
did that work?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
OUT i ask?

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
You which is harder to guess before.

Speaker 10 (01:11:28):
The, season college, football college basketball or they equally a crap?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
SHOOT i think equally because of the, Portal thank you very,
Much ALTHOUGH i think, football being the ultimate team, game
may be tougher simply because you, know for, instance take At, kentucky,
please you, know how does AN o line come? Together
how does a quarterback perform here as opposed over? There
whereas if you've got a team chock full of portal,

(01:11:53):
Players well take it Again, kentucky for, Instance you've Got
Mohammed diabat And Denzel. Aberdeen guys come. In they were
terrific at their previous teams that played at the final
four and championship. Levels plus you've got incoming, Freshmen you've
got guys coming back from last. Year SO i do
think it's tougher for, football BUT i think it can
change almost overnight with, basketball which makes it really.

Speaker 10 (01:12:16):
FASCINATING i don't, KNOW i agree with you on all
of that stuff because you see these guys coming in
and a lot of this stuff is obviously well on,
paper this team looks like, this and the same thing
with and everybody over the, Summer, well you Know manning
is going to be you'll go first in the. Draft
you know he's Gonna texas got maybe one or two,
losses BUT i think they'll pull. Through you, know everybody

(01:12:37):
was doing that kind of a number and hasn't really
quite worked out that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
WAY i think there's going.

Speaker 10 (01:12:42):
To be a lot of second hand ringing at the
end of the season about how could we have been so?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Wrong, Yep and my only desire with these. Polls i'm
good with. Poles my Man Cameron mills hates, them AND
i understand a lot of people do preseason polls in
the Like i'm good with. Them it amps up interest
and it was literally created to sell, papers literally back
in the thirties or. Forties BUT i just hope, voters
And i'm afraid too many voters put too much stock in.

(01:13:07):
Them when four weeks into the season they're, voting and
as you alluded to, this you know they're, thinking, WELL
i had them number, one but they're only this, now you.
Know don't be afraid to throw it out the. Window
you KNOW i was. WRONG i shouldn't had him ranked
in the first. Place let's look at somebody.

Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Else guys admitting they were. Wrong come, on man and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Goals you had the woman That florida loses and move
them up in the. Poll so, anyhow he. Is gary
moriy is Our West End bureau. Chief we'll come back
with some hot reads For gary in just a few
here on six THIRTY. Wlap welcome. Back it Is, thursday
but we are visiting with Our Western bureau, Chief Gary,
morris since we gave him yesterday off time for a
couple of hot. Reason, gary you covered The lakers for

(01:13:48):
a long, time you know the furvor lower For, lebron
and when he decided to release a cryptic message about
a second, decision people went a little. Crazy, well it
turned out to be an ad For, kognac but one
fan in particular decided he would go all, in pushed

(01:14:09):
all his literally all his chips to the middle of
his financial, table and spent eight hundred and sixty six
bucks on the end of the season game matching The
lakers and The, calves which would have been the last
Time lebron supposedly would be playing against his former. Team
he felt defrauded and now is. SUING i ask, you

(01:14:29):
does he have a case or does he need to eat?
It because he was so silly in this day and.

Speaker 10 (01:14:35):
Age you, Know, dick the jet propulsion lab is out
there that you KNOW nasa has worked, with and there
are a number of people in Southern california who are
not making rockets.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
There this would be one of those.

Speaker 10 (01:14:48):
Guys and first of, all how do we know it's
not going to be his last?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Game?

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
True what if in the.

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
Middle of the season he, says you know, WHAT i
Think i'm done and you got those. Tickets it's the
most that's one of the most ridiculous LAWSUITS i can
remember in some amount of. TIME i can't believe that a, lawyer,
well ACTUALLY i can believe that one would take the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Case come to think of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
It scare you guys money up? Front?

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Yeah, yeah well eight would you, say what was the price.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Of eight hundred and sixty six dollars in?

Speaker 10 (01:15:17):
Change that's, CHEAP i, mean that's you, know that's probably
up in the you, know, Well i'm trying trying to
think of the seating now because the price has gone
up so. Much there not sure where he's going to be.
Sitting definitely not close to the floor with those.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Prices, No but to your, point if it does turn
out to Be lebron's last, season those tickets may well
could be worth a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Money that's What i'm.

Speaker 10 (01:15:40):
Saying we don't know that it's not going to be
his last. One so, on just on that basis they.
WOULD i don't even think it'll get to a court
at this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Point but if it, is could The lakers countersuit.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Right lawyers are bigger than his. LAWYER i promise you
that our second hot, read as you mentioned, Earlier oregon
takes On. Indiana you a share your house with some
of you're closely related to by marriage with In. Indiana,
alum you are something of AN iu. FAN i forgive
you for. THAT i am An oregon fan simply because
all my cousins who live and grow up In portland

(01:16:12):
Are ducks. Fans but nothing AGAINST. Iu but this is
the big. Game last, week the big game Was Alabama,
vanderbilt and it was not a bad. Game we listened
to that game On saturday radio coming back From. Georgia But,
GARY i asked, you what is this world in which
we live where the big game one week Involves vanderbilt

(01:16:33):
and the big game the next week Involves. Indiana how
is this?

Speaker 10 (01:16:36):
POSSIBLE i Blame Stranger things THAT tv show for causing
all of this in.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Football but we.

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
Are not where we once. Were are We things have definitely.
CHANGED i think for the. BETTER i think you're always
going to have strong teams coming out of THE. Sec
but it's great to see things happening in places Like.
Bloomington and we could have seen a few years, ago,
Yeah alabama And oregon playing each, other but to See
vanderbilt really coming around is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Great for that.

Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
School it's great for THE, sec great For, nashville AND
i think it's great for you, know a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Who always, thought, well we're always going to be a door.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Mat not.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
Anymore And i've.

Speaker 10 (01:17:14):
Been up Into bloomington during those some of Those Tom
allen games when at the beginning of the season you'd
get maybe half the, yeah you, know against're Playing idaho or,
somebody at half the stadium's. Full now it's, rocking and that's.
GREAT i think it's a great thing for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
EVERYBODY i agree with, you AND i Covered Kentucky indiana
games Where indiana had a decent team one, year had
a team that wound up in a bowl game and
still about a third of the stadium was empty at
the beginning of the, game more than half empty by
the end of the game BECAUSE iu fans collectively went
but not. NOW i think it's, great you, know and

(01:17:48):
it's it's a it's a wonderful. Stadium that limestone they
have up, there yeh and uh and same With. Vandy you,
know if you can get college football fans interested In,
nashville that makes the THE sec that much. Stronger but
to your point about stranger, things WHENEVER i think about the,
PORTAL i think About Star trek and so many materializing

(01:18:08):
at one end and at the. Other but Now i'm
thinking stranger things because the different portals involved in that.
Series and if you haven't seen this, series it's really.
Freaky that's. Great you've got the one where you got
to jump out of a rowboat into a lake and
got the, bottom well materialize somewhere.

Speaker 10 (01:18:24):
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At i'm At Big Blue insider. One thank, you Sarahc
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we'll visit with these guys On. Thursday but they're just
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from The garage And Lexington.

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