2025-02-21 - BBI - Big Blue Insider with Dick Gabriel

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Big Blue Insider.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Dick Gabrielle with you on a Friday edition of our program,
heading into a big weekend already underway. The baseball Wildcats
are playing down at Belmont, weather permitting, so keep an
eye on that. We pre record, so keep an eye
on that. And of course you came men on the
road tomorrow at Alabama. Tough, tough assignment. Alabama came up
here and beat the Wildcats. Different looking Kentucky team. You

(00:24):
know about the problems with the injuries, but Kentucky playing better.
The bigs are playing better, Andrew Carr is healthier, the
freshmen have played better. That is going to be one
tough challenge down there. That is a difficult place to
play lately. Used to be Alabama for basketball, but now
when Natos gets down there and introduces an exciting brand

(00:45):
to play defense three pointers of Final four caliber team
last year, fans show out and show up. And back
in the day it was like a lot of road
games for Kentucky. There'd be almost as much blue in
the stands in Tuscaloosa as there was red or.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Crimson, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
But now it is a brutally tough place to play,
but not a game the Wildcats cannot win. But they're
gonna have to be at their best and we'll have
it for you right here on six thirty WLAP the
UK women with Senior Day coming up Sunday against LSU.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Kim maulke yep, she knows how to win championships. What
does she have?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Four and the Wildcats are in the running for the
better slid. I'm not gonna win the SEC, but they
want the best slot. Obviously they can get in the
SEC tournament, So this one's big. They're all big down
the stretch, but you're talking LSU Tennessee, South.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Carolina for Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So it's big that the Wildcats came back last night
and beat Missouri. Watching that game listening to Darren, it
was back and forth for much of the game, but
the Wildcats, who were down at the half, win at
seventy three sixty five. Clara strack At a huge, huge
game bounce back after a subpar performance against Texas where

(02:05):
she got in foul trouble, but she gets twenty two
and twelve. She played really, really well, so did Georgia
Amore of course, as usual, nineteen points five assists, only
two turnovers. George Amore played all forty minutes and by
the way, hit two really clutch free throws down the stretch.

(02:27):
And imagine what kind of shape she's got to be
in to have her legs under her well enough to
snag those free throws when they mattered the most. Still
a problem for Kentucky. Rebounding Strack had twelve, team had
twenty seven. She had almost half Kentucky's rebounds.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Unusual.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Tony Key only had five rebounds. She got in some
foul trouble, only played twenty eight and a half minutes,
and she is usually just wicked tough on the boards,
but foul problems hurt her. She had six turnovers. Not
a great game of forteany j didn't have thirteen points,
But they're going to have to be better down the stretch.

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On the boards, we're out rebound of thirty nine to
twenty seven. Kentucky got only five offensive rebounds, and it's
not because the Wildcats were hitting everything, although it seemed
like for a while there they were. They hit fifty
four point five percent in the second quarter, and Kentucky
when it took command of the game in the third quarter,
hit seventy to almost seventy eight percent. Took nine shots,

(03:32):
hit seven of them, including two out of three from distance.
So for the game, Kentucky hit fifty three percent.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Still, though you.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Got to do a better job on the boards. That's
something Kenny Brooks talked about after the game when for
one thing he talked about, and this has come up before,
physicality of his team. Kentucky not the most physical team.
That's been a knock on his ball club, but he
has seen progress.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
We're doing enough to win back games. And obviously it's
not our m it's to be the physicality, but we
can play with it and we've proven that we can
beat teams who try to be physical with us. So
it was really good, really good effort. You know, it
wasn't always exactly what you wanted, but I don't know
how many games you go through and you have what
you want. But we played well enough to win.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And while the Wildcats are working on becoming more physical,
they have been and still are really good on defense.
That has been one of their calling cards. They had
seven block shots last night and a couple of steals,
so defense has shown out for the Wildcats and Didding
in last Night.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Proof is in the numbers. You know, some things we
don't do well well with. There's some things we do
exceptionally well. And you know, we continue to hold people,
you know, to their average or under tonight. But they
got a little bit, maybe a little bit under their average.
But you know, we're just a ben don't break type
defense and we understand the philosophy, we understand our assignments.
They do a really good job of listening to the scout.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So we mentioned the LSU game. That's a four o'clock start.
It is sold out. It's gonna be on ESPN. It's
gonna be on the mothership ESPN. Darren will have the
pregame for you three forty five tip off at four,
so you can sink your TV and radio, I hope.
But it will be on ESPN. It's not gonna be
on any of the Plus channels or whatever. It's gonna
be on ESPN. So check it out at four o'clock. Now.

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The following Thursday at the Coliseum, Tennessee comes to town.
That's Pandemonium Night. That's gonna be on the SEC Network.
And then the Wildcats finish up a week from Sunday
with South Carolina in Columbia. That game is on ESPN.
That's a two o'clock start, So two of Kentucky's next
three games are on the main ESPN channel.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
But I can tell you this.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I've covered UK women's basketball since the early eighties, and
I will tell you this is the toughest stretch of
games that I can ever recall, and it's probably the
toughest ever in the history of UK women's basketball. Down
the stretch, you gotta play ls you Tennessee and South Carolina.

(06:03):
Thankfully for them, two of the those first year are
at home, but l s U Tennessee and South Carolina.
As you're playing for wins and seating for the SEC
tournament and the NCAA Tournament, it's tough. But think of
the advantage you'll have.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Just just win one of them. But if you can.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Pick up a win or two, what that does for
you going into the postseason. And that's how Kenny Brooks
was looking at it.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, I like my chances when we got to play
at home. Uh, just like anybody in the SEC. And uh,
you know, and and it's once some people will look
at that situation as a gauntlet, but we're looking at
it as an opportunity and we're gonna go out, We're
gonna play. If you want to if you want to
be the best, you gotta beat the best.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And that's what the SEC is all about. And by
the way, since we're talking about numbers, I didn't talk
about this last night, and I should have. But what
about Mary Williams and it's perfect game, Basegue. He became
the first Division one or NBA player to put up
numbers like this since Paul Gasol did it for the

(07:09):
Lakers back in twenty ten. It's being called a quote
unquote perfect game. Six to six from the field, five
of five from the free throw line, four block shots,
no fouls. Just an incredible night for him. And now

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he is what tied for second, no second in an
eight way tie of UK players who put up numbers
like that. The best by a UK player Rodney Den.
He won seven for seven against South Carolina back in
nineteen ninety three, three for three from the free throw line.
Rick Roby went six for six against Alabama in the

(07:52):
championship season seventy seven seventy eight, also six or six
from the free throw line. They don't mention whether or
not either I doubt if either one of those guys
didn't have any fouls. I doubt with all due respect
if either one had as many as four block shots.
But either way, phenomenal night from Mary Williams and let

(08:12):
us remember. And I was one of them who wondered,
is this guy made of what it takes to play inside,
playing the paint in the sec And there were of
course people online, the overreactors, who were asking that he
just be left on the bench.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Can we get rid of a Mario? Are we done
with him?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Can we please be finished with the Mary Williams, let
us please not overreact. I mean, the worst, the dumbest
one of all this year, I can tell you the
dumbest one of all was a quote unquote UK fan
who on that great arbiter Twitter acts whatever you want
to call it. After the old mis loss which was bad,

(08:52):
which was puzzling, which was ugly, this clown says you
got to do it now, get rid of Pope, got
to get rid of him now, don't wait, just cut
and run. Now take your losses, you know, get rid
of Mark Pope. Now, please think before you hit send
or not, and show yourself out to be a fool

(09:13):
and I think a lot of us clearly were wrong
about Williams. But as we mentioned last night, and Pope
has talked about this, it has taken him a while
and I'm paraphrasing, to figure out what he can get
away with.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And he talked about it last night. We had him
on the show talking about it, that.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
He just needed to figure out how physical he could be.
Because I don't mean to sound sexist here, but the
SEC is the men's league. You know, I'm borrowing that
phrase from Pat McAfee. That's how he talks about the NFL,
and he compares college players to the pros. Now you're
in the men's league. Well, in some ways, that's the SEC.

(09:52):
And that's more about not manliness, but just about how
games are officiated because players are bigger, faster, strong, just
a little bit just enough in the SEC. And yes,
there are kids in the mid majors quote unquote who
can play that way, but it's more consistently played that
way in the SEC. And that's what Amari Williams is doing,

(10:13):
playing more consistently that way. And look, he may lay
and egg tomorrow for all I know, but he's clearly
better than he was when he got here, and doesn't
that mean he's worked hard and accepted coaching.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I think it does all right.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
When we come back, people keep throwing labels around like
face of the league and greatest of all time and
all that, and former players from different pro leagues are
taking vocal and verbal issue with that. We'll hear about
it on the other side of the break. Coming up
at the bottom of the hour, Derek Terry from Batcat Center,

(10:53):
we'll talk Kentucky baseball season underway. Our number two Keith Elkins,
longtime sportscaster here in Lexington and now work in high
school games as well as doing interviews for the WUKY
podcast and also later on West n Bureau chief Gary
Moore with us here on six point thirty WLAP. Welcome

(11:13):
back to the Big Moonsider. As I mentioned, there is
discussion out there, and there always is because everybody wants
to have the hot take, the instant take, the lists,
all that stuff. The greatest of all time is a
tired argument. But somebody the other night on an NBA
telecast was talking about, apparently that Victor wimban Yama now

(11:34):
is the face of the NBA, the new face of
the NBA. That did not set well with my man
Charles Barkley, who has really become the voice of the NBA.
He and Kenny the Jet Smith and Shaq and Ernie
Johnson on the TNT studio show, which is great, and
they're going to try to hold it together as the
NBA moves to.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
ESPN.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
But anyhow, Charles Barkley on set the other night TNT
wearing a USA hockey sweater.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
He loves hockey. Uh. He had a real problem with somebody,
be it a player or.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
An im media person, just anointing a youngster as the
new face of the NBA.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
First of all, you don't give anybody the face of
the league, Am I right? Shack Shaq took being faced
with Mike, when Matty Johnson, Lara.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Bird came in.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
They're like with the new sheriffs in town. Shaq took it,
Kobe took it, Lebron took it, Steph took it. But
I get so annoyed when I hear these guys like
you don't give somebody something. That's one of the problems
we got. These idiots won't play an All Star game.
We've given them so much, they don't have no respect
for the history, but you don't give anybody the face

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of the game.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
You take it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
And I love what he said, and he's talking about
becoming essentially the man. You know, you can be.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
The face of the league if you're the guy front
center and all the promos that the network's run and
things like that, But in terms of being the guy,
being the lead.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Dog, the alpha male in the league, you do that
on your own.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You could be talking about the w NBA as well,
be in the alpha, the lead in that league. Just
because somebody says, you know, well this person, you know, ok,
is Caitlin Clark the face of the WNBA.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Well she is the face, but is she.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
The lead the lead dog if you will not necessarily
no when it comes to promos. Yeah maybe, but as
Charles Barkley said, you got to take that, and Clark
hasn't taken it yet.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I don't know she ever will. But I thought it
was interesting that it came.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Up, as well as Barkley's reference to guys who aren't
playing in the All Star Game skipping the All Star
Game and things like that. And yeah, I know the
w or the NBA All Star situation is becoming a joke,
but it was really cool when the PK Suban, who
is a former player in NHL six zero at one

(14:03):
time the defenseman of the Year. He is now a
very outspoken broadcaster, and the other night during the Hockey
covers the Four Nations coverage, he went almost ballistic when
he talked about people who want to be or have
been anointed as the greatest. He said, the standards now

(14:28):
have got to be a lot tougher. And the first
part of it, he said, is you got to show up.

Speaker 6 (14:33):
If you're really about sports, then you're about two things,
your teammates and the fans. And I'm sorry, it doesn't
matter how much money you're making. When you do not
show up to play, you're letting your teammates down. When
you do not show up to play, you're letting the
fans down that are paying you forty fifty sixty million.
I don't care if you're getting three hundred million, congratulations,

(14:56):
But these people in here are paying twenty five hundred
dollars at ticket five grand that are blue collared, hard
working people. If you don't get your head wrapped around that,
you shouldn't be in pro sports, because how are we
gonna grow. How do we expect you to be an example? Well,
guess what you don't want to be. You are one.
You're on the biggest stage. You just said it. They
make the most money. You're an example. You gotta show up.

(15:19):
You got to take that on. I'm sick and tired
of making athletes greats, all time greats that aren't the
best examples. Those are the people that we want our
kids to follow. That we want athletes to follow. That
helps us in our game.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Stephen A.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
You want athletes to be educated on this and understand this.
They got to understand the importance of showing up to
the All Star Game and being on the court and
playing banged up sometimes and playing injured maybe at times,
thank you, and participating. Because here's the thing. Because you're
making one hundred two hundredree hundred million, you should be
out there banged up. You should be That's why we

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pay you.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Is to max out.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
We talk about greatness in it being the longevity of
somebody's career. I don't care if you play fifty years.
I want your best ten. I want you on the
court dominating.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I want you to go all out.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
I want Michael Jordan, I want Kobe. That's what I
want in every sport. That's the guy that I follow.
You're a different version than that.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
You don't get my respect.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I can't tell you how much I like that. And
everybody there was like Stephen A. Smith and three other
people on the split screen with him, and they were
all nodding. I think they all agreed with him, of course,
and a couple of them spoke, but nobody was quite
as outspoken as he was.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And this is a guy who was a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Of a journeyman. He played thirteen seasons, one of the
few African Americans. Actually he is from camb was born
in Canada, and that's kind of a misnomer because he's
neither an American nor are As people maybe way back
when they were, but his mom and dad are from
the Caribbean. So anyhow, And this is a guy I
saw on wiki who at one point, and I remember

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this was engaged to Lindsay Vaughn. They split up before
they got married, and they say they remain friends.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But I'm like, good on you, man.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
But anyhow, I love the fact that Barkley and subon
Marek Barkley, better known of course in the States, are
using their platforms though to almost shame current athletes who
are paid so much money and they don't begrudge them
the money. But what Barkley and Subon and both said
about different topics essentially at the same time, get out

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there and earn it and show the people who are
paying these extravagant ticket prices that you give a crap up. Next,
Derek Terry to Talkentucky Baseball six thirty WLAP Welcome back
to the Big Lu Insider and joining us now is
a long time friend of the show and a guy
who was on the UK beat for quite a while.
Get into the private sector but couldn't quite stay away,
so Derek Terry created Batkat Central. You can be a subscriber.

(17:55):
We'll tell you more about that a little bit later on.
But I know so many people, and you among them,
got a kick out of the World Series run last year,
and who wouldn't for Kentucky baseball. But in this day
and age, man, it's really hard to kind of follow
up and build on success because of the turnover in

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general in college sports, especially college baseball.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Am I right?

Speaker 7 (18:22):
You're right, yeah, this was a line up on Friday.
If you maybe hadn't paid too much attention to the offseason,
but maybe he had gotten into Kentucky baseball last summer
and during the World Series run that they're just turned
out a whole lot of familiar names in that lineup.
The other day, you had a James McCoy, who I
thought that was kind of surprising, made a start in
right field. He was Kentucky's right fielder for most of

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last season, but the expectation kind of from what I
had been told, is that he would be pitching a
lot more this year. But he got to start in
the Petrick Herrera, who was a bench player for the
most part last year, who started a third and outside
of that, it was a whole lot of New States.
So they got down to Lipscomb and and really kind

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of had a series that brought off the bat was
you know, started off very well to win eleven to
zero and have a mercy role, but Game two was
not quite as good, and then he ended up in
a spot with the weather that they only get two
games in down the air, and then you can't get
the midweek game in. It's a frigid here in Lexington
this week, So heading into the second weekend, with just

(19:26):
two games under their belt, so I'll be curious to
see and too kind of unfortunate no no ESPN Plus
or anything this weekend either, So I'll be falling along
on the radio. If you're going to be following along
with baseball this weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's going to be tough too for both teams because
obviously their weather is our weather.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
But yeah, you know, I mean that's that's the.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Nature of college baseball. But getting back to the lineup,
I was not that surprised that McCoy started because I
have a feeling they're going to try to run through
Nick minjeone and Dan Roselle as many of their pitchers
as they can that that they.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Really need to find out about it.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
And they know about McCoy, uh, you know, from from
fall ball and from last year, but they need to
to see what they've got, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
They do. It's kind of unfortunate too. Fre Ethan Walker
he was going to be the third game starter. H
he I'm sure he was ready to go and helped
the way extra week uh for that. But they got
a strong start from Nick McKay there to start off,
and then ideally it's nice you know in a series.
In game one they only had to use two pictures. Uh,

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Scott Rouse came in after him, but uh, game two
they worked at a little bit more. He probably saw a
little bit more true idea of what they would be
looking at if if uh, you know, it was a
normal SEC Saturday when when Vin Cleaver got his start,
and then that's why they got was Hogan and Buyers
and TV and gregorson. I would say probably the main

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core of what you would expect the bulletend to be.
You saw a lot of those arms in game two,
and I wrote I was going to be curious to
be for Friday night. Who else would have to come in
there outside of routes? You know, with Rouse pitching because
the game was more lop sided, is this going to
be the spot for him? Is following up after McKay?
You know who what some of those guys have been
moved up a game, the guys that throw in game two,

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what they have been pitching in game one had it
been a little bit more competitive. I think here going
into the second weekend and we there's still, at least
in my mind, kind of a lot of unanswered questions
in terms of the overall depth of this bullpen where
guys might be used.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and you could probably say the same for practically
every team in America right now. Pitching depth, which of
course leads into the bullpen. And that's what came through
for Kentucky last year, both the starters, but especially the bullpen,
and Hogan was such a big part.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's why I was kind of surprised.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean, it's way early, but he did not pitch
well last weekend. Bobby Spins did not. But I think
he'll be fine. Obviously we've seen what he can do.
But that's always the great mystery, isn't it the depth
of the bullpen?

Speaker 7 (21:59):
It is it is, And you know, Hogan, I felt
like he had a box where it was maybe just
a little bit worse. He was not good, certainly not.
He was giving four wild pitches out of the Twelvey three,
which obviously looks horrible on the box store. It's one
third of the pitches for little wall pitches a couple

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that were there. What was really I think that's a
funny for him, was that he came in in a
spot where you know you're hoping he can come in
and gets them out to keep that run off the
board and he got a head o two to that
second hitter and he ended up losing them. The command
just wasn't there. And those are two walks and when
they he loose them and they'll drive you crazy. Uh
But you don't have to single him out, but everyone
else really, I mean through pretty well, honestly, Sleeper, you know,

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it was okay, he was through three innings. He was
good at that fourth ending, got in a little bit
of trouble, but not not a bad adding when I
for his first start either of the season. So the
pitching depth like another thing too, Dick. I'm really curious
about some of the younger arms, you know, with any
of the younger guys about now on Sunday to follow
up Walker, you know, I've heard some really good things
in the fall and then two in the I guess

(23:05):
the early winter here leaning up. I'm Nate Harris, one
of the freshmen. You also have Layton Harris, who's a
local kid. But Nate Harris at Illinois Variety, I think
he was at to ninety five is at one point
in the fall. So they've got a freshman class of
arms that I think the don't want to bring along slowly,
I'm sure, but as the season progresses. I mean, that's
the one area of this Kentucky baseball program, especially with

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Dan Rosell here, They've always found a way to get out,
but they've almost always too had, you know, a little
bit of mixing and matchingg ains the season went along.
Guys that emerge that didn't start out in that role
to begin the season. I mean, gosh, if you're to
go look at their Friday Night starters through the years,
I mean, how often has it changed. It feels like
almost every year it ever started the first game. You know,

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last year, Trey Pooster would not have been your first option.
Travis Smith was, but by the end of the year,
Pooster was their top guy. And can you go back
a few more years of Sean Harney kind of being
that guy. So still still a lot to figure out,
I think with the pitching staff, but I generally steel
pretty good about it. But you never know in these arms,
and then competition will get a little bit better, a

(24:11):
little a lot better in the SEC and you know,
either kind of think or one at that point.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Talking to Derek Terry is the publisher of Batcatcentral dot
com and of course, uh, we'll be keeping an eye
on UK baseball this weekend. But as Derek said, each
to the last two games the Wildcats were scheduled to play.
They lost to Weather, but opened up successfully last weekend
in Nashville where they are tonight to Lipscombe, and of
course Cole Hage had the home run, a.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Three run bomb. H You know, he did well in
the fall.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Tyler Bell at shortstop, one of the storylines to follow,
had a nice stop in the last scrimmage before the
Wildcats regular season and then acquitted himself. Well, I thought
down in Nashville that that is one kid that I
think is fascinating, Derek. He was the highest rafted player
to not go pro and to play college ball, and

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he signs with Kentucky, which gives Wildcats now potentially their
fifth consecutive year with You know, they hope more to
come of an outstanding shortstop, Ridder for a couple of years,
a goal Glover, Grant Smith who should have been a
Gold Glover, and now Tyler Bell. This is quite a
run for Nickmnjione.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
It is you kind of wonder how much how much
good fortune they got from that. How many years do
they get to go now where you know, they can't
really complain about any bad breaks that might happen to
get a kid like that to show up. I mean,
that was a tremendous development in one and just quite frankly,
you don't really see ever happen, especially you know, guys
that get drafted that high under these new roles, not

(25:48):
so new rules anymore, I guess with the MiB draft,
but the way the bonus full money works, I mean,
most of these teams have that mapped out well in advance,
and you're typically the odds are just not good that
you get him. And I thought he had some good
at bats, he didn't get a hit, the kid in
center field made a tremendous play, and yeah, probably the
probably the best offense to play the weekend, at least

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down in Nashville, to rob him of not only his
first career ahead, but it would have been an RBI
as well. And like you mentioned, Age came through as a
home run there right after, so kind of stepped up.
But and I thought Bell at least offensively, I mean,
I think he looked really good in the fall, you know,
out there on that turf they think they normally do
at this level, and I think he bounced, so I

(26:32):
can't remember he was rolled with an air or if
they give to somebody else. But you know, I thought
he looked fine, just fine. I mean, he'll get a
lot better as it goes. I don't know if there
are any nerves there or not. He don't play poorly
by any means, but uh, I'll be curious to see
kind where he settles in the lineup switch hitter that
you know, he's patient at the plate, I would say,
and the times I saw him in the fall and

(26:53):
the one thing I haven't seen from him though, And
I don't want to ask like I was out there
all the time, but I was. I was up there
a little bit more frequently than I had been in
the past. Haven't really seen him tap into his power
too much. He had a great scrimmage one of the
days I went to, Yeah, and it wasn't hard, but
they were all kind of line drop singles, which is fine.
I mean, you'll take that, but I'll be curious to see.
You know, he wasn't really even a guy in high

(27:14):
school that they hit a lot of home runs. But
he's someone that maybe not this year, but but by
next season. I'll be curious to see how he's developed
physically and if he can tap in and you know,
be a guy that can hit the double digit home
runs at some point, because I think that would be
you know, for his draft probiles. He's a guy that
part of the reason he probably did come to schools

(27:35):
because he knew he could re enter the draft in
a few years. So that'd be a great thing for
Kentucky to be able to get a kid like that one.
I mean, they've they've got the hard part. They got
him to school, but now, you know, can he develop
him like he developed some of these other guys and
get him drafted highly because you know down the road
you'll have something to show pase recruits that they're kind
of on the fence about coming to school.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Derek Terry is my guest publisher of bat Cat Central.
We'll talk more Kentucky baseball on the other side of
the here in just a moment on six thirty WLAP
Welcome back. We're talking with Derek Terry. He is the
publisher of Batcat Central, and that's where you need to
go if you want to follow Kentucky baseball along with
UCA Athletics.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Dot Com. But Derek does a nice job.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Covering the program and did when he was a journalist
now back in the private sector, but came up with
the website and a great way to follow Kentucky baseball.
Of course, we're talking about the opening series of just
two games last weekend down at Listscom. The Wildcats with
a weekend series here at Belmont back in Nashville. One
of the positions that I think is going to be

(28:36):
really interesting this year, Derek is catcher because they went
out and they signed Rafael Peltier and then Devin Brooks
decided that he's a Devin Berkshuder decides he's coming back,
you know, which is a plus. I mean, he's a
great leader and was preseason all Conference. Did struggle last
year offensively, a little bit defensively at times, but they

(29:00):
they split shared the two games, I should say, last weekend,
but Peltier was with a good glove and a pretty
good bat. I'm curious to see how they share that time,
you know what I.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
Mean, yeah, very much. I mean, Peltier was one of
the guys that I thought performed very well leading into
the season. I mean, this was a guy that, like
you mentioned, I mean clearly was you know, whenever he
committed to Kentucky out of the portal at the time,
I mean, it was widely assumed, I mean even by
the coaching staff that you know, Devin Burts should not
be back, yeah, for another season, So he was brought

(29:32):
in to be the starter this year. In my opinion,
did nothing in the fall to suggest that he really
shouldn't be in the running. I mean, I think he
performed in a way that I was comfortable, at least
from watching them, thinking that you'd be fine, you know,
handling that you always want to have more than one
catcher just because of the toll that that position can
take over the course of the season. And Bert's was

(29:53):
really I know, he was all sec part of the
preseason voting is in some a susponding guys that people
familiar with, and on paper it makes sense, right, I mean,
he is a returning player and on a team that
made it to the College World Series last year. But
you know, for people who maybe haven't kept up as much,
Devin didn't really play much in the offseason. He played

(30:16):
some defense, but he didn't really bad at all on
the live scrimmages. He had surgery once ball was over.
You know, he's not someone who you know, coming off
of a tough year, has really even probably got to
make many adjustments. So he hit third the other day
in that second game. You know, I thought it was
a vote of confidence there from the staff that they
believe in him coming off of a tough year, that

(30:38):
he can still get the job done. And he had
one ball that did pretty well. That's a short start. Yeah,
just kind of hit it right where he.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Was really needed it. He put a good swing on
the ball.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
But yeah, well you take that over some of the
outcomes that they have some some other guys you know,
went down swinging or watching in some cases. You know.
The thing with the catcher spot to on her Menjion
is they've really kind of whoever the starter has been
for the for the most part, I wouldn't say this
is always in the case. For the most part, they

(31:10):
they kind of ride it out with one guy a lot.
I mean, they'll and Burks is someone who's logged a
lot of innings for Kentucky. So but I will be
curious to know it's healthy a you know, I think
if you're going to call him a backup or whatever,
he's much better than than many of the backup catchers.
I mean that Kentucky's had.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, there's no question about that. Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
And one thing you know they love about Devin is
the way he handles pitchers, especially young pitchers. They have
made no secret of that. There have been other catchers
on roster, on the roster who might hit a little better,
but even and that's how he kind of broke into
the lineup. If you'll recall a couple three years ago,
towards the end of the season, you know, and it

(31:53):
was just a way that he carried himself. And you know,
he's they call him the happiest man in baseball.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
For a reason.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But I really am curious to see how that's going
to play out. We're talking with Derek Terry Batcats Central
about the Wildcats, who opened up splitting a series last
weekend of two games with lifts coming. Of course, they've
got Belmont in Nashville again this weekend.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
We've gone a while before.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
We've talked about second base and Luke Lawrence wins the
starting job, leads off both games, has a couple of
hits and three runs batted in in the series opener.
You talked about some huge spikes to fill with. Keep
three moving on, man, But they do like him a lot,
don't they.

Speaker 7 (32:34):
They do. You know, he's a guy too. Whenever they
signed him at Illinois State, he played several positions. You know,
we talked about how they f I'm Peltier coming as
a starter. He could probably say the same thing about Lawrence.
He might have been their shortstop, you know, had they'll
not come to school. So he gives Kentucky another good
defensive piece up the middle, and he's an the lead

(32:55):
off hitter. He played that role in the fall, and
he carried that right end of the season where he
he's setting the tone for him a good experience veteran player.
And another thing too that I like. I mean, these
days he kind of the whole program building aspect that
still exists, but early it's kind of just year to
year now. But the biggest thing that I like about
Luke is you know he's got He's got another year

(33:15):
after this, so you know, if they do it in
a way that uh, he's back next year. You know,
this middle infield of bell And and Lawrence could could
have sixty something games or whatever potentially under their under
their belt. This year and come back next year, and
he's sold bit better about the long term outlook. But
I mean, I think that the third base spot is
really that is really the one that as opposed to UH.

(33:38):
In addition, I guess to catcher, you know who's gonna
play third He's seen her air, He's seen Hindle, so
it started. I think Garget could be a guy that
UH plays over there too, So we'll see. These are
positions they were so close coming out of the fall
that you had to expect that. You know, a couple
of guys are going to get their opportunities. And I
do like the long term outlook for a guy like

(34:00):
and handled, but your hero has just stayed in the
program and he's kept developing and when he's gotten this chance,
you know, I've always felt like he was a guy
who could help them. So we'll see. Everything else looks
pretty settled, but the catcher spot in third base, So
those are the two that I think as the season goes,
who's going to step up? And will someone take control
of those spots? And ended up being their leader at

(34:21):
those positions.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, they they've had some question marks. It seems like
at at third base for a few years now. I
mean Jace Felker, uh for a while there, you know,
good stick, but you kind of you had to wonder
about his glove a little bit. And uh, I remember
a couple of years ago Isaiah Buyers came in and
they thought he would be the guy and and and
had the physical skills, but got hurt and you know,

(34:46):
they they ended up just kind of trying to patch
work the lineup together. But you know, but it's college baseball.
I mean, it's it's it's always question marks like that.
And uh, I don't know. I think the things kind
of leveled off last year in a good way for
the Wildcats, so you can only hope the same happens
this season. But you bring up a great point about

(35:09):
the future and with so much consternation about the portal
and nil, you know, and now the Skyllie numbers are
going to go up and finally be a lot healthier
for college baseball. But it's kind of ironic to me, Derek,
that college baseball coaches have had to deal with a
revolving door for years and years. Can as you recalled,

(35:30):
for a while, there might have been back when you
were in college if you transferred in college athletics, you
had to city year unless you were playing women's basketball
or baseball, and you can play it right away. So
you know, the constant movement was just a constant, if
you will. In baseball now it seems like baseball you
sign a kid and he's going to be there for

(35:51):
two or three years. It seems like baseball now, oddly enough,
is more secure than the other sports, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yeah, No, I think it's a great big picture to
look at it. I mean, this is a sport that
is very difficult to understand. I mean I still have
covered it for a while, still don't know that I
fully like drafts, everything about some of the kind of
inside baseball stuff. A scholarship advantages depending on financial aid
for certain states. You know are in Kentucky we have

(36:20):
keys money, but other states have some other systems that
make it a little bit easier. You want to recruit
more kids in state that you can not have to
allot some of your eleven point seven on those guys.
So going to whatever the scholarship numbers end up being,
I'm still waiting to kind of get the full details
on that before diving in a little bit more. You

(36:42):
know what I think is interesting, and this is not
me commenting saying it's right or wrong. Kentucky still sign
a pretty what I would consider to be a pretty
large high school class coming in next year. Any of
the draft that might take some of that, and we'll
see if they make any kind of adjustments this on
thirteen and moving forward, I think rosters are going to
be right around thirty five. That's a pretty big number

(37:03):
because I think you see in some other sports football,
that's what it means all rectatinos quoth the other night
that they're not even going to recruit high school players
for this upcoming year. So for Kentucky to make that decision,
you know, they might still be trying to keep that
long term. You know, get guys if they like, from
high school into the program and develop them there for
a few years. So if there is a payoff there,

(37:24):
if you're able to do that, well, but what's the
short term Unless you're signing thirteen guys that you think
can all help you that one season, it's pretty big
chunk of of you know, scholarship capital, but you're putting
on young guys, so it cuts you down in some
other areas. I'll just be fascinated to see. Is that
what they're planning going to be moving forward? Do they

(37:44):
want to keep tilling double digit numbers? I believe. I
saw Georgia might have only signed four or five guys. Yeah,
for this upcoming class, they're going to keep recruiting portal guys.
And it's kind of different than what you would think,
right because Kentucky has been so good with the portal
and baseball, ude might think they will leave a little
bit more space. So we'll see. That'll be one of
the areas I'm really curious to see how to they

(38:04):
adjust that year every year moving forward.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, what Derek's referring to as Rick Pattino basically flat
out said, we're not recruiting high school kids. We got
to replace X, Y, and Z right now, and you
can't do that with true freshmen. So they're going to
hit the portal. Plus he also said in that documentary
series Money's No Object or something like that. So they've
got at least one or two sugar daddies for Saint
John's who are going to pony up the nil up

(38:29):
there in New York.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
Derek Terry is famous famous Kentucky football and ile downer right.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Oh yes, Derek Terry is the publisher of Batcat Central.
Batcatcentral dot com is where you can subscribe. Derek, we'll
be talking again.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
Thanks so much, all right, thanks for having me on
up next hour.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Number two with longtime lexingon sports boys Keith Elkins and
West End.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Bureau chief Gary Moore. That's all I add. You're on
the Big Boom Sider six thirty lap.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
Then teatact given, then.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Welcome back to the Big Blue and Sider joining us
now is a longtime friend and a guy whose voice
is very familiar here in Keith Elkins, formerly the sports
director at w l e X, longtime radio voice of
the Lexing and Legends. You can hear his podcast the
Sports Page on w UKY, the UK campus station, and

(41:14):
also if you're a high school basketball fan, you can
see him and hear him on YouTube on the glack
cod broadcasts of a high school basketball girls and boys
here in Lexing.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
You know, for a guy, you're like me. For a
guy who's retired, Keith, you're pretty busy.

Speaker 9 (41:29):
Well, I think in retirement you try to stay busy,
but maybe a little more on your own terms. But
it is it is fun to stay active and maybe
with a little more limited schedule, but I'm enjoying it
very much.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I see you at the basketball games, the men's games Kentucky.
You bump into each other, and of course you covered
that program for a long time. Things have changed so
much since you and I work those games regularly. But
it's a little bit of a throwback this year, isn't it.
Where You've got guys who came in and a lot

(42:01):
of them will just be here for the one year
the Big Blue Nations really wrapped its arms around this team,
hasn't it.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
You can feel that at rep Arena. I think the
atmosphere has lifted this year. There seems to be more
energy inside the arena, and they've really embraced this team
and of course this coach. After the initial doubts, everyone
seemed to be on board just within forty eight hours
or so of Mark Cope's hiring, and that doesn't seem

(42:28):
to have changed, even though there have been a couple
of bumps in the road in this season, but overall,
it's been great and it's been a lot of fun
to watch, and they seem to be enjoying playing that
style for him, and we only hope that things will
get better as they go on, and they've been pretty
good this year, so he's off to a great start
and it is a terrific atmosphere. Good to be a

(42:49):
fan right now.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
As a guy who has covered this team and has
just been able to sit back and watch as well.
You know this though, expectations from Kentucky fans, I don't
care who's out there are always sky high. And you
covered some of the best teams, you know, and it's
understandable that people expected the best. And I think that
the early wins by this team over the likes of

(43:11):
Duke and some others suddenly that people thinking not just ooh,
if we could just be five hundred in the sec
you know, then it became much more than that. But
injuries have caught up with them. What do you see
in terms of the postseason for this team. I'm not
asking to make predictions, but you know, what do you
think fans should expect?

Speaker 9 (43:31):
Well, I think obviously the fans are going to want
a win or two in the NCAAA tournament after what's
happened over the last few years. But I think it's
realistic to expect some success in the NCAA tournament, but
it's so tough that you could I can see them
beating anybody in the field, but it's hard to see
them winning five or six in a row against really

(43:52):
good competitions. So if you can get past the first weekend,
I think that would keep the excitement going. You definitely
need a way to avoid having the atmosphere turned down
a little bit, But I think it's fair to expect
a win or two from this team in the NCAAA
and also the SEC tournament. Yeah, gets showing there too,
And what to feel that is. I hear people saying

(44:14):
that it's a tougher path to the SEC final than
it is to the final four, and that may well
be true. So it's an incredible year in SEC basketball,
but that will be an especially tough tournament to play in.
But they'll be looking for some success there too, especially
after the opening statements that Pope made it his initial
press conference about putting more emphasis on that. So people

(44:34):
are looking forward to that. Expectations are high as always.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I mean, it's common sense it's going to be tougher
to win to get to the SEC championship game, perhaps
than the nca tournament, just given how well the SEC
has shown out this year. But on the other hand,
what better preparation for the nca tournament than this brutal
slog of a schedule that all these SEC teams are playing.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
You know, it's true, and each time that the home
game would come up, and I'm going as a fan
now and here's another good game. There's another good team
against the top twenty five team, and you head on
the road, and any SEC win on the road is
a good win. But this year it's especially tough because
all these teams have accomplished so much themselves. So you

(45:17):
talked about having a five hundred record in the SEC, Well,
that may turn out to be a pretty good performance.
You've turned in a lot of good games to get
a five hundred record. It's just incredible, and it's got
to be I would think a good training ground or
a good proving ground for later play in the NCAA tournament.
But at the same time, you might get beaten down
a little bit too. So I think they can draw

(45:40):
on the experience, and we've seen that too, but I
think they can draw on the experience and be even
more ready for NCAA tournament. Play having been through this.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Talking to Keith Elkins. He is a semi retired sportscaster,
but extremely busy and as I mentioned earlier, one of
his duties is I doubt if you think of it
as a duty as hosting the sports Page podcast for WUKY.
Through the years, You've probably been asked this more than once,
but did you have you had any and I don't
want to put you on the spot, but any podcast

(46:10):
interviews that I don't want to call him a favorite,
but one that turned out maybe you better than you thought,
or one that you had really worked like heck to
get and finally were able to nail it down.

Speaker 9 (46:22):
Well, there's probably been a few that would fall into
that category. I would say, maybe, speaking more generally, the
ones that I seem to have had the most fun
with anyway, and I've enjoyed them all of course, But
the ones that have seemed to have been the most
fun are talking to the guys who played back when
we were in school, back in the early seventies. And
it was very nice to see that nineteen seventy five
team honored recently at Rapparta. That was a great team

(46:45):
who'd gone through a very interesting career with their freshman
class and then the thirteen and thirteen year and then
bouncing back with the final game appearance in seventy five.
So talking to guys from that era like Jerry Hale
or Jim Andrews, that proved to be the most fun
for me because that brought back the years of being
in the colisseum and watching those guys play, and they

(47:07):
were really fun to watch and so glad to see
them get that attention at this reason. I can't believe
it's fiftieth anniversary, but that's what it was, and so
fifty years since then. I know you were a part
of that as well, and it was good to see
those guys out there on the floor and acknowledging the applause.
So I'd say probably from that era has been the favorite.
I enjoyed really talking with Marty Brenneman back last year.

(47:30):
That was fun. I mean I did baseball for on
a different level, of course, but for a long time
and get to talk to him and get some of
his insights. The main thing about the podcast is you
get to talk to people for thirty or forty minutes
and you get into a conversation as opposed to trying
to grab a sound bite and put it together for
a newscast. So that's been the most enjoyable part about
the broadcast. And there have been several favorites, so it'd

(47:54):
be hard to pin down one particular favorite. But as
far as the era is concerned, I think talking to
those guys who played I was in school, and it
goes for football too. I talked to Joe Beettersfield and
that was a lot of time because I watched him
play in the early seventies, and he talked about had
they have to get dressed over in the basketball locker
rooms memorial colisume and walk over to stall Field, and

(48:14):
so I thought, well, things have changed a lot there,
but that's the way it was. That was life at
a at a basketball school in those days.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You also talk to Art Still, and you can go
back and listen to these in the archives at w
u K Y excuse me, dot Org. Art is a
character you know whenever you and I love talking to him,
but you gotta you gotta kind of keep the reins
in on him, don't you.

Speaker 9 (48:39):
You have to try, But I'm not sure anybody is
really successful in doing that with Art Still. You asked
a question, and I'm just reminded of the old Brisco
Darling lion on the Andy Griffiths Show. If you were
a fan of that, when they get ready to play,
and Brisco Darling would say, just jump in and hang on.
That's right, and that's and that's what you feel like
when you're when you're talking to art Field, just jump

(49:00):
in and hang on because the interview.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
Is not going to go.

Speaker 9 (49:02):
You can make some notes that maybe have some more
questions ready, but you they have no idea whether an
interview is going to go. But what's funny is.

Speaker 7 (49:10):
To talk to you. Though.

Speaker 9 (49:11):
I got finished with that and I thought, I'm not
sure what happened there, but I know we got to
talk for thirty or forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
We'll talk more with Keith Elkins on the other side
of the break here on the Big Boom Sider six
thirty WLAP.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
We're talking with Keith Elkins, longtime sports cast here and
lexing in at WLX.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
He worked lexing in Legends games.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
For several years, a host of the sports Page podcast
for wuky dot org, and also you can hear and
see his work on YouTube. As he works high school
games for Black cod along with Sean Woods, who you
hear right here on my show every week. Anybody in
the particular caught your eye in terms of the high

(49:52):
school kids, boys or girls this year. I know you
see a lot a lot of kids appear in front
of you, but has anybody jumped off the page at you?

Speaker 7 (50:00):
Well?

Speaker 9 (50:00):
I did get to see the Great Crossing team play
at Henry Cicky a couple of weeks ago, and of
course they have Malachai Moreno who is headed for UK
and it was really nice to get to see him play.
What an athlete he is. He's very smooth even in
his high school years. He's a bit thin right now,
but that's going to change, of course as he gets
into a college program. And he looks like he just

(50:21):
has all the skills you need. We didn't see too
much of outside shooting like you do from the big
men these days, but he can really get up and
down the floor and handle the ball well. And he
has a nice touch the free throw line, which would
indicate that he could eventually increase his shooting range too.
But they've got another guy, Vince Dawson, who hit the
winning shot in the regional final last year, and I
believe he's headed for Morehead and what a terrific shooter

(50:43):
he is. And he's about six five, but he seems
to have almost unlimited range out there. And that's probably
been the most impressive team that I've seen. But it's
fun to what's the local schools here too, seeing a
lot of the Lexington schools. Bryan Station has a fun
team to watch. They like to pressure the ball, get
up and down the floor, and score and Mario Owens

(51:04):
is their standout player, their leading scorer. And it's just
been getting back into the high school scene and you
forget about having seen you get to see such good
athletes on a regular basis. And it's really been a
lot of fun to do football and basketball with Glycott.
And you mentioned working with Sean Woods on some of
these games, and he really brings the energy to the broadcasts.

(51:26):
And so whatever audience you're broadcasting to, Dick, as you
well know, and I'm sure you could approach it this way.
You want to do your very best possible job. So
it's been fun to work at this and try to
do the best job I can on the play by play.
And it's still As we said earlier, it's nice to
be active. It's nice to be doing some things, but
maybe on a little more reduced schedule. But this high

(51:47):
school thing has really been fun. We're looking forward to
at tournament.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Time, Keith.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Recently there was a survey of media people here in
town who voted the top high school players of all time,
which is a fool's er and really because how do
you compare eras? But it was kind of fun for
me going back. You and I would go back essentially
the same amount of time. But you know, Jack Gibbins
was voted the all time great player coming out of election,

(52:12):
but just in the time you and I have covered
election in high schools, I mean, I never got to
see these great teams from the fifties and sixties play,
but it is pretty incredible. And I don't know if
UK set the tone or vice versa. You know, just
the incredible high school players that have come.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Out of this city.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
Oh yes, there have been just a great number of them.
My time in lection goes back to the seventies, and
of course during that time they were regularly playing high
school games a Memorial Coliseum scheduling. Then it wasn't just
like a last minute thing where suddenly somebody had a
good recruit coming in or something and you moved it.
These were scheduled at the beginning of the year. It

(52:49):
would indicate on I'll say a Lafayette scheduled that Lafia
would play Bryan Station at Memorial Coliseum, and so it
was just a great era at that time. Dirk Minifield
was probably the best that I covered during that time
at nineteen seventy nine Lafayette team. For those old enough
to remember those of a certain age, that's probably the
best high school team I've seen in person. And I

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really enjoyed watching those guys play, and Dirk was the
leader of that team, as you know. And then of
course Jack Gibbons and James Lee were there at the
same time at Jacket Bryan Station and James Henry Clay
and there were some other great players around the city
too at that time. So I guess maybe we have
a tendency to go back to when we were young.
But those guys that would certainly get a lot of

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the support from me if I were voting in that poll.
But there have been some great ones down through the
years that seemed to be a particularly good Ere.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up that seventy nine team.
And you know, they had some of us voters come
together and they put a TV special together our discussions
about the high of the kids that we all voted on.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Of course they had to edit it down.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
One of the comments I made that didn't make the
show was I mentioned Minifield's Lafayette team, and I'd love
that team. I covered that season start to finish, and
we probably I worked at WVOK at the time, probably
broadcast a third to a half of their games when
you factor in the Sweet sixteen and the regional and
district tournaments. But that, as you well know, that team

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saved the Sweet sixteen in my opinion, because it was
the first the Sweet sixteen format as we know it,
so the first time it was played in Rupp Arena,
and as you know, the crowds really turned out. And
then two years later when it rotated back with Vergie
and Mason County and those teams, I mean, it was
crazy the crowds. But that's seventy nine team with mister

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Basketball who was going to Kentucky, sold a ton of
tickets and it really I think revitalized the Kentucky State
Tournament because there were factions that won class basketball. You know,
the way they tore up the Indiana State championships. They
ruined it in Indiana and they've tried to go back

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to it and they can't. And now what I think,
Kentucky and Delaware are the only states that have, you know,
the format where even the smaller school can jump up
and win, and that has happened. It happened with Lion
County last year. But yeah, that was a that was
a great moment, I thought, and a vital one in
the history of high school basketball.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
It was very important at that time because things were
beginning to shift. And Indiana a few years later did
go to class basketball. And I don't talk to many
fans anywhere near my age who like it at all.
So I think they've lost they've lost something special. I
grew up in southern Indiana, so I know what the
tournament was like when I was growing up in our

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sectional time, which comparison to district here, that was just
the community just stops to follow basketball. And so that's
just the way it was. But the tournament here, with
the success of the and the attraction of that nineteen
seventy nine Lofia team that really did, I think, keep
things in place for a while. And it was it
was more than just a good team. It just seemed

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to be a team that you just couldn't you couldn't
turn away from. Jock Sutherland was the coach, and yep,
he was a character as we all know, and he
had his what do he called the jail house junk
defense and it helps, you can call it whatever you want.
When you got Dirk Winnifield and Junior Johnson and Tony
Wilson to protect the rim, and they just had a
great team full of great athletes. One of the reserves
on that team was Jeff Parrott who went on to

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a long career in the Big League and yeah, it's
for UK, but so they had some great athletes and
it all came together for him that year and they
played an important role in keeping the tournament where it
is and the atmosphere at that time and the crowds
at rough I mean, it was just really something to
see and something to experience.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And you know, one of the teams that Lafayette had
to get past, as you know, it was Brian's Station
with Melvin Turpin, and they had more than just Melvine.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
They had kids who went on to play Leroy Byrd
who played Contempt. He was on that team.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
So just imagine high school basketball back then. A couple
of minutes left with Keith Dilkans, I did mention that
you were the voice of the legends, and that is
a tough grind doing those minor league games, I know.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And now they're the legends again.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I got to think that when they were the counter
clocks for a while, and that's that's part of I
think some of the charm of minor league baseball's names
of change and merchandising and all that.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
That was just pretty awkward, though.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I got to think, you're you're relieved because you were
a legend that they are the legends once again.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
Oh absolutely yes. There are nicknames around the minor league
baseball like the Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp and the and some
of the others, some things called the sat Poodles, I think,
and all sorts of odd names. It's part of it
is part of as you say that the charm and
marketing of minor league baseball and minor league baseball's about
the fans having fun. But sometimes, to borrow baseball metaphor,

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you swing and miss, and I think they swung and
missed with the with the counter clocks, and now back
to the Legends is a good thing. They don't have
the affiliation anymore, which which I kind of miss. I
always enjoyed looking at on the field and thinking three
or four of these guys, whether it's the Legends or
their opponents, are going to be in the big league
someday and we'll all enjoy watching them play. I mean,
Bryce Harper hit his first professional home run at this ballpark,

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and so you have that kind of good working for
you when you have an affiliation. So I do miss
having an affiliation. But it's great that they're back, and
great that they're the Legends again. I think that's a
good thing.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, Hunter Pence came through here. There are a lot
of Jose l two V games through here. They're just
it's all part of the fun.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (58:26):
J D.

Speaker 9 (58:26):
Martinez is three hundredth home run in the major leagues
this past season, was a legend. You know, a few labor
teammates in twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, Keith, thank you so much as always, and keep
an eye on w uky dot org. If you haven't
heard the podcast, go back and listen to the archived episodes.
I promise you you'll find them entertaining. And I hope
to see you at a high school game soon.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
I'm sure we will meet up soon, Dick.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Thank you up next, Western Bureau Chief Gary Moore, as
we wrap up the week here on six thirty WLAP,
Welcome back to the Big Boon Cider. It is Friday,
but we were bumped Wednesday by Bashky Boo. So our
West End Burea Chief Gary Moore is joining us to
wrap up the week basically, and he is on the
other end of sixty four.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
And I guess you had to throw another couple of
logs on the fire.

Speaker 10 (59:15):
That's a chili one out there, isn't it. Yeah, Buddy
wind Child even in here, well, we got two guys
in a six pack, you and me, and six things
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
We'll lead off with the beauty of seeing spring.

Speaker 10 (59:25):
Training return yesterday on an MLB network near you.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And I was so into I was.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
Just loaded with good vibes yesterday, Dick, until about the
second inning when former Louisville pitcher Bobby Miller, who's trying
a comeback this year, took a comebacker off of his
forehead at about one hundred and five miles an hour.
And if you saw that, but man, you talk about it,
that's always a scary scene, especially with somebody that you
kind of know. And he got up. He's in concussion

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protocol right now, but man, that.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Was scary for a while.

Speaker 10 (59:59):
Anyway, It's good to see baseball back. Also, it was
yesterday Dick was the debut of the automatic ball strike
or ABS challenge system. We've talked about it before, now
in the majors sort of. Now it's in the minor
league's Triple A teams have been using it for the
last couple of years. Sixty percent of MLB spring training
parks have this ABS, including the Dodgers obviously in Arizona.

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It seemed to work okay the couple of times that
I saw it kind of reminds me of like if
you're watching Wimbledon or some of the tennis, you can
see when they challenge a ball being in or out.
It's kind of the baseball version of that. It only
takes about ten to fifteen seconds to do it, so
it's done very very quickly. Dodger pitcher Landon Nax's seen

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it himself the last couple of years being in the
minor leagues and said that it seems to be calibrated.
The strike zone seems to be calibrated from park to park.
In the minor leagues, that might be something to look at.
But you, being a former umpire, do you like this
now coming into vogue in the majors.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Well, quite frankly, no, But I cannot defend and professional
umpires anymore. My brother has been one for fifty he's
been an umpire and filled in on the Triple A
level at one point. No, I can't because simply because
the strike zones have become so wildly inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, and they are not called per the rule book.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
If they were, I firmly believe that it would speed
up the game, you know. But it's just incredible when
you see pitches that are, you know, two to six
inches off the plate called strikes. You cannot defend that,
even the guys at the highest level anymore so. And
of course, Gary, this is one door. When you go

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through it, it's gonna slam shut. You're not gonna go back.

Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
You get to Each team gets two challenges, and if
you keep winning the challenges, you get to keep the challenge,
so it's not like you lose the challenge even if
you win or lose. So yeah, but only two is good, right,
so it's not overdone. Are a second swig in the
six pack, also with the arrival of spring training, and
it's actually been the case all winter, incessant whining about

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payroll disparity with the Dodgers world champion, Dodgers leading the way,
the Mets in second place so far in opening day payrolls,
Smaller market teams and their fans complain, well, we can't compete,
even though every team is worth at least a billion dollars,
and others can spend the money however they want to
spend it or not spend it. Last year, the Mets

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had the biggest payroll on the opening day. Now, how
did that work out? And how soon people forget dick that? Arizona, Arizona.
The Diamondbacks got to the twenty twenty three World Series
with the twenty first highest payroll. But it's true eight
of the last ten World champions are top ten in payrolls.
Dodgers are paying about one hundred and sixty million in

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luxury tax these this year, which is about the combined
total payrolls of the regular players for the White Sox
and the Marlins. But look, people want to see stars. Okay,
Dodgers are paying for stars. Team in Pittsburgh or Cleveland
or Cincinnati can get stars. That's what people come out
and want to see. And I give you the minor
league example of that. Whenever there's a minor league player,

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or whenever the major league player going to the miners
to rehab, whether it's a Kershaw or maybe a Joey
Vado here in Louisville, attendance goes up normally. Why Because
they're stars. People want to see stars, and you can
pay for them no matter what market that you're in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Look if the Kansas City Royals can jump up and
win the World Series, yep, it can happen. But it's
hard to argue against the payroll driven teams. But you
know what the Dodgers also showed us is at least
for a while there last year you got to say healthy. Yeah,
you know, so that's also a factor you got to go.
But I'm glad you brought up the Mets because and

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I'm really curious to see what they do this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Year with Juan Soto. Now, but you know, as you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Said, money talks, but everybody has it. And because you're
in a smaller market, yes, you don't get as much
TV and radio revenue. We're going to talk about TV
here in a minute. But your overhead isn't it tough either, right,
So it can't happen. But I think for the good
of the game, a team like Cincinnati or Pittsburgh jumping
up and making a run would really help Major League Baseball.

Speaker 10 (01:04:12):
And here's the thing about the luxury tax. Some of
that money goes back to the small market exactly, and
how they want to spend it or put it in
their own pockets is up to them, right. But when
the Dodgers are paying a big chunk of that because
oh there can't believe they're paying this guy so much money, well,
some of that money maybe going back to your team
in luxury tax tax. Good wisely, yep, third swig in
the six pack for major League baseball. Let's go to

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college baseball. This week, Mother Nature beat UK Louisville and
Western altogether. All three had to postpone or cancel games
because of well to step outside that weather that Canada
sent us some sort of payback for that fifty first
state nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
The number twenty three Cats, as we speaker in Nashville
for three with Belmont. Western was to play the first
of three in Bowling Green with loafeyet the day, but
they've kind of compressed those into tomorrow and so. And
as for Louisville, same deal with Western Michigan Game one tomorrow,
two on Sunday. The wrap up things on Monday. And
by the way, in case anybody missed it, Louisville unranked

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to open the season. They opened with a four to
three win over number seven Texas we could go today.
Then they lost to number thirteen Oklahoma State twelve to three.
Then they whipped number twelve Arizona thirteen to one. Not
bad to come out of that weekend with a two
to one record. It's too early, obviously to tell if
he's turned things around, but we've talked about this before.
Do not count out Dan McDonald and his staff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
No, those were big wins because for one thing, I
clearly they instill confidence, sure, you know, and I always
go back to the first series Nick Minzione. Ever coached
as the headman at Kentucky when he took his team
to North Carolina, ranked tenth in the country, got swept,
but each game went to the ninth inning, and he
spent forty five minutes after the third game explaining to

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his players, guys, you can do this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
We're good. We have a good team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I don't know if McDonald needed that level of confidence building,
but he certainly has it at his disposal. The look
he's the fifth all time winning his coach since he
arrived of active head coaches at u of L five
College World Series.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Guys, knows what he's doing. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah, they dipped last year, but don't be surprised if
they come back now. You know, dollars are being spread
out in college baseball a bit more equitably now, and frankly,
U of L had some advantages that other schools had
for quite a while. But if anybody's going to figure
it out, it's him, and I really look.

Speaker 10 (01:06:38):
Forward to the UK versus u of L this year. Said
something I was just thinking about. I was thinking about
the UFL players and their minds are thinking, hey, we
can do this. Yeah, yeah, a number in front of
our name right now, we can do this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
We just think that the other thing at UFL though,
is the guys there's you know, they're standing on the shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Of guys who have done it. Yep, just like the
UK players.

Speaker 10 (01:06:58):
It's a great legacies there, all right, our fourth swig,
we're talking college stuff. Let's talk college hoops, and let's
dedicate one to the ladies.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Dick.

Speaker 10 (01:07:06):
Last night, number fourteen, UK wins at Missoo. Not an
easy thing to do, men or women. That's their second
road win and actually their second win in a row
after they lost to in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Put it that way.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
Number seven Luca's in town Sunday, Dick, Yeah, little miss
Liberaci wardrobe. Number seven LSU. That's a four o'clock on
the ESPAD mothership. Also last night, number eleven, Duke goes
down at Cameron Indoor. Unranked, but not for long. Louisville

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is now nineteen and seven after beating the Duchies. That's
two road wins in a row over ranked teams with
the cards who get number nine Cara, North Carolina here
at the Youum Center two o'clock. That'll be on ESPN
just before UK and LSU. So you got your Sunday afternoon,
already scoped out for you. And on down I sixty
five my WKU Lady Toppers eighteen and seven. They're third

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in Conference USA. And did you know, Dick Gabriel, the
third best scoring team in women's hoops is right here
in the state of Kentucky. It's not UK, not Louisville Western,
my hometown, Murray State Racers eighty seven eighty seven points,
seven points per game behind Tennessee and number one Florida State.

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The Racers are seventeen and seven. They're third in the
Missouri Valley Conference. They are coached by a former Murray
High alum. My high school alma mater, Rochelle Turner. Watch
out for them in the tournament. They will be there
in March.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
That's great info.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Good for them, And it's not easy building a program,
as you know at Murray, you know, it's kind of
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
But they've had good baskets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
They've had great basketball, both men's and women's in the past.

Speaker 10 (01:08:51):
That was kind of a cool stat They just need
more support, as all of the women's teams do in basketball.
Now for the dudes, number seventeen UK, what Mark Pope
has and you've talked about this, a brand new team
or less goes against the very pissed off number four Alabama.
It's lost two in a row. Tomorrow night, six o'clock
ESPN mothership Bama is fit to be their name after

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Miszoo rang up one hundred and ten on them on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
And we know.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
Exactly about shootouts with these guys, especially at RUP. A
month ago, Cats lost by five at home against Bama, which,
by the way, shot fourteen more free throws, as you've
mentioned than UK did in that game. Something to keep
an eye on tomorrow and upside, of course, the Cats
are five and two against teams with winning SEC records.
On the downside, Cats have only played seven games fully healthy.

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And so here's another one in it's gonna be against
the number one scoring team in the country. And overhere
Dick number twenty five Louisvill'es had the whole week off.
They'll face sixteen and ten Florida State high noon tomorrow,
Young Center c W Channel Cards are twenty and six
second in the ACC. They're winners of fourteen of their
last fifteen. They just keep rolling. And speaking of the
Cats and the Cards, and if.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
You've seen this you've talked about.

Speaker 10 (01:10:03):
The Vice Channel has two shows documenting Patino and Caliperie
that are worth watching.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I know if you've seen them.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
I mean, there's nothing really edgy or controversial about them
by design, by the thanks to the coaches, of course.
But Rick's return to the Top ten glory with Saint
John's has been pretty interesting despite the differences in the
team's trajectories that you're seeing on TV. I kind of
liked the Caliperi when better. The Razor's Edge is the

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name of it because fewer cuss words are getting bleeped out,
so already I like that. And the one really good
episode that just ran think the latest one with John.
It covered his return to rupp Arena. Yep, and all
the kids that are out front.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Well we're going to boom him. Yeah, we're gonna but
we can't wait to boo him.

Speaker 10 (01:10:52):
Hey, Junior, you were in Huggies when Cal was here,
saving the program that you're now a part of. Okay,
so how about a little spec for the Karmen next time?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Okay, buddy, That's just not the way social media works now,
does it. But you're right, you know, if you had
been here I think the people were saying, let's be civilized.
Are the people who were front and center when Kentucky
was the thing again in college basketball. I mean, you
talk about instantaneous. You remember how Kentucky went from irrelevance

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under Gillispie to back to the top of the mountain,
not just trying to get there, the top of the mountain.
And Caliperry did it and it was fun. But yeah,
the people who were doing the loudest, they weren't even
aware of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
And Rick did it too. Sure did took him a
little longer, but not nearly as long as people thought
it might.

Speaker 10 (01:11:44):
No, even the first year was entertaining, that's true, because
he got him in condition and they shot threes. That
was one thirteen games, and we didn't think he'd wins
six final swig in the six pack. Just because a
college coach gets a big paycheck doesn't mean they're mature,
responsible men or women, Because with those megabucks comes a
number of duties, one of which is doing those old

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antiquated radio shows dick where they get paid and sometimes
get paid extra bucks to do them. Most are happy
to sing like canaries after when we know that, But
after a tough loss when fans in the media really
want to know what went wrong and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
How are you going to fix it?

Speaker 10 (01:12:21):
Some head coaches, as we know, send out an assistant
or an assistance assistant. Cali Perry did it more times
than I can count because I was bad at math Dick.
But there's a couple of that come to mind. Well,
last year after losing to that team from Knoxville at
Rupp Arena, then you had that course he was Mia
after that loss to Saint Peter's three years ago, and

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of course there was the only questions from social media.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Deal.

Speaker 10 (01:12:46):
Of course that was a pre recorded show, so at
least he did one of those. But I bring this
up because up at Indiana, lame duck coach Mike Woodson
has stopped all together doing post and pregame shows with
their k wood lad for Don Fisher, even though Woodson's
contract allegedly requires both. I say, if you don't want
to talk after a game, then don't take extra dollars.

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If you take the dough man up or woman up
speak when you lose, evolve, it's unfortunate. I'm glad you
brought the contract is because it used to work. This
way head coaches men and women would sign their contract
with the school, then to sign a contract with the media, partners,
with the apparel companies, with the shoe companies, and they

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get a variety of paychecks. Now it's all funneled into
I'm talking about a Kentucky now, but I'm sure it
has other places.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
It's all funneled into.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
One big pile, and they get one fat paycheck. So
you can't hold them responsible. I can tell you this
for a fact, on more than one occasion, more than
one UK coach heard from Jim Host or whoever saying, look,
don't do your show. That's fine, you don't get paid,
and it worked, trust me on that. Gary Morre is

(01:13:57):
our West n barrel chief. We'll come back with a
couple of hot reads for in just a minute here
on the big bloon Sider six thirty wlap. Welcome back.
We're talking with our West End beer chief, Gary Moore.
We have gone through two guys in a six pack.
Couple of hot reeds will throw at Gary. Hey them,
you New York Yankees finally are going to be allowed
to wear beards. They have to be trimmed, you know,

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closely cropped or whatever. But they are relaxing a rule
that George Steinbrenner Big George big Stein instituted in nineteen
seventy six. Gary, they've been able to wear mustaches. I mean,
gidry without a mustache. Come on, David Wells had an
angry mustache. But now they can wear beards. That's gonna

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help him win, isn't it. Goose gossage?

Speaker 10 (01:14:43):
Yeah, Thurman Munson, you can tell Thurman Munson you got
a shave.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeahdays, but they was back then it was stash only.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:14:52):
Yeah, Well, Garrett Cole has worn a beard for a
long time until he got to the Yankee.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
So you gotta be comfortable play the game. It's not
high school.

Speaker 10 (01:14:58):
Remember in high school, all the guys got their their
basketball haircuts, at.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Least at our high school did. Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:15:04):
So he didn't look like some kind of a hippie
running down with you know, he's got hair and a
shirt collar.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Get that, get that cleaned up. Who was the one
of the Phillies who has like a duck dynasty beard?
I can't never remember, but oh yeah, I'm not a
Phillies fan. So when everybody you know you saw him
in the playoffs. Like, wow, I can't imagine playing quote
unquote the summer game with that kind of hair. I mean,
you remember, I had a beard for a long time,
but I kept it pretty close. But we had a

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guy on our adult league baseball team it's actually a hairdresser,
had a big full I mean, dark hair, beard and
hair down to his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Didn't bother him, and he was a hell of a hitter.
M was it hot in the summer for you? Not really, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
If you keep it clean, you know you're in good shape.
I can't speak for others, but that's where I was.
Our second hot read. Uh, this is probably going to
impact more people than beards. Major League Baseball in ESPN
are breaking up. I saw that rob Man and Fred
has said that he thinks they're going to be better
off going elsewhere because apparently he's not pleased. And I'm

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quoting with the quoting of the New York Post. Well,
the minimal coverage Major League Baseball has received on ESPN's platforms.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Over the past several years outside of actual.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Game coverage, so I guess they're not hearing enough about
baseball on Sports Center.

Speaker 10 (01:16:21):
I guess, well, they don't who baseball to night really anymore?
And must watch TV, And then they spent so much
money on NBA and football that this is just going
to kind of take a back seat. Plus MLB has
kind of farmed out some stuff to like well Apple TV.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Well now they're going direct to consumer.

Speaker 10 (01:16:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think I heard Comcast NBC with Peacock
might be a possibility on this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I don't know that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:47):
The It just seems weird because ESPN has set has
been set well, he've been with him since nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Do you think losing Baseball Tonight, which baseball fans adored,
that you had to I guess that was the last straw?

Speaker 10 (01:17:00):
Maybe, well, and then they kept watering down Sunday Night baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
I'm not a fan of Jessica Mendoza at Wardo Perez,
so I miss Joe Morgan. Joe Morgan and John Miller
were the best.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yeah, rest in peace, Joe Morgan. John Miller sensational, But
you know, he's he represents one of the dumbest moves
ever made by a local team when the Orioles let
him walk and he.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Goes to the San Francisco Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
But yeah, I'm a big fan of his, well, not
just for his impressions. ESPN is gonna slide college baseball
into Sunday night into that time slot, which is great
for the college game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Maybe Kentucky pops up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I don't know how that's going to be accepted, but
we'll be able to see.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
A lot of good young talent. I watch it.

Speaker 10 (01:17:48):
I have MLB, I have MLB Network, and I've got
the the games on my phone as well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, with the program.

Speaker 10 (01:17:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
You gotta wonder about the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
College games if you're on the road and you're playing
a Sunday night game getting back for that Monday morning class.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Good luck with that. He is Gary Moore.

Speaker 10 (01:18:06):
Follow him on Twitter and the X at at nine
five five, Gary, the same joint you're found at at
Big Blue Insider one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Stay warm over there, my brother, Back at you, brother,
and that's going to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Thanks to Gary, Thanks to Derek Terry and Keith Ewcans.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
A reminder, Kentucky basketball tomorrow, the guys take on Alabama.
That's a six o'clock start on ESPN. We'll have it
for you with local coverage of three point thirty network
coverage four thirty Tom and Jack with a call for
you at six o'clock as the cats try to come
up with a big one over the Crimson Tie. Gonna
leave you now now with a movie or TV clip,

(01:18:41):
well with a little song about genealogy. This is a
tune from nineteen forty seven. To try to follow along.
It's called I'm my own Grandpa. That's right, thanks so
much for joining us. Stay warm out there, everybody. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Good night from the garage in the Lexington.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Many years ago, when I was twenty three, I was
married to the Winner, who was pretty asking me this
switter had a grown up daughter, had hair of red.
My father, Benny, love with her and were when this
made my dad a son in law and changed my
very life. My daughter was my mother, No, she was

(01:19:20):
my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it
brought me joy, I soon became the father of.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
A fountain baby boy.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
My little baby then became the brother in law to death,
and so became my uncle, though it made me very
sad or if he was my uncle, and also made
him brother all the Winner's growed up daughter, who of
course was my stepmother. I'm out grandpa, He's his own dampall.

(01:19:51):
It's out funny. I know, Buddy really is a he
had a grandpa.

Speaker 8 (01:20:01):
Such seat, such stakes taking the show, anything, anything on

(01:20:56):
such back stain. I think the thin tap. Then do

(01:21:35):
don't do

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