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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
the lead Troop Boards Radio Network on six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vad and Jack Pilgrim coming from
Clark's Main Street work is Studio Clark's Pumpy Shop, Return,
Refresh and Refuel. The big news I think of the
week is the JMI is partnering with University of Kentucky
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to handle all of their marketing branding as well as
nil and Jack Pilgrim seems well versed and he's educating me,
so I got a better understanding of it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Jack Pilgrim.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
On I was a senior, there was a prominent memorabilia
shop that wanted to do an autograph signing with myself,
Jeff Snedecker and James Whalen, and I was strongly encouraged
not to do an autograph signing with these people.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I'm not gonna give any names.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But ironically the owners of the company were from up
northeast Ohio, and I don't think it was Cleveland Akron,
but it was really close to Twinsburg and that just
happened to be ironic that we were just talking and
I did not do the autograph signing, which was several thousands.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of dollars that were to be gained.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And I later found out that I was encouraged not
to do the autograph signing just because whatever member of
the University of Kentucky did not like the way that
company did business. So they discouraged me from doing the
autograph signing. Now James and Jeff did, and so they
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just spent They just split the whole pot that I
didn't partake of. They split it between the two of them.
Point being is, I know you've got me to understand
a little bit better with the JMI branding deal with
uk IS, but I'm still kind of lost and I
think Larry's still kind of lost on And because our
seasons a football, basketball track for all these other seasons volleyball,
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I mean yeah, volleyball. All these seasons are going to
go on baseball, whether we like it or not. So
while they're trying to work out the kinks, who's responsible?
So can Anthony White go to say Mimi's Restaurant on
New Circle Road and say, hey, I want you I
want to do an ad for you or I want
to do sponsorship when you maybe one thousand dollars a month,
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whatever the case may be. Does that at this point
right now? Does that have to go through JMI or
can you still be your independent own brand, because that's
what Nils made for. So when now we're back square one,
which I've always wanted the stuff to be governed. I
didn't want these young guys to be going around getting
themselves in holes and just you know, pay for play
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all willy nilly, because we saw last year, even with
great talent, some of those guys didn't live up to it,
I think because they were compensated so comfortably. I'm just
trying to figure out where we are now. So if
Anthony White wants to go to Mimi's restaurant and do
a deal with them, do I have to have permission
from JMI or do I have to be exclude myself
from that deal and be an independent, independent person where
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I can do my own deals, which you eloquently stated
that if you if you do work with JMI, they
got a better they got a better chance of getting
you a bigger deal, or you can go off from
your own you know, Nicol and Dime yourself to death.
Do fifty dollars here, fifty dollars there, or jam I
can get you a big cover deal. So so I
may have came off brash in the beginning because I
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felt I didn't like the whole idea. But you've convinced
me that partner with j Ami as probably a really
good deal. I just don't like the two entities. I
don't like the left hand control in the right hand.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, honestly, I think you nailed it. I think you, Yes,
you will have insert say Zach Calzada will have the
flexibility to say Mimi's restaurant is my favorite in Lexington.
I'm I want to do a sponsorship with them because
I proudly support their food and their mission or whatever.
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And yes, he can go by himself, inc an NIL
deal and submit it through Nil, go himself and do
things through that. But it just there are other you know,
it adds more and more and more you know, red
tape to cut through for him specifically, whereas JM I
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already has the background, They already have the you know,
knowing how to get deals through. And I go and
you know, to cut through the nonsense of the of
the issue on paper, you want JMI to be the
one to say, Hey, I know that you're a big
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fan of Mimi's restaurant. I have set up this deal
for you. All you have to do is show up
at six o'clock for you know, photo shoot for the dinner,
for an Instagram story or something like that. Will take
care of the rest. That's what you hope happens, and
that's what they are saying. We will facilitate anything you want,
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will be the middleman for you to cut out any
extra stuff that you want to do. But if you
feel that you're being short changed, if you feel that
you can go above and beyond and do your own thing,
they are not, you know, basically saying that you're not
allowed to do that. They're just saying, if you want
to do that, you know, go ahead. But we can
make your life all he like a lot easier by
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doing it for you if you let us. So it
works both ways. If you truly want to do it yourself,
you're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's nil.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That's today's era of college athletics. That's how we wanted
it to be. But JMI is is there to be
the middleman that you know makes everybody's life easier on paper.
That's that's their intention and their goal with this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And Jack, I'm going to assume just like lawyers and doctors,
they don't come out of their office for free. So
if I understand exactly what you said, and it makes
perfect sense, But if I know the owners of me
needs and they tell me we'll give you a thousand
dollars a week, you just come, maybe have dinner or
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have you know, have dinner here, let us take pictures,
you know, you pull you you know, make some social
media posts. If you get Jami involved there, they're definitely
gonna get a cut, right, So that's cutting into your
deal or you saying they're gonna facilitate it without So
if I if I know I'm getting a thousand dollars,
maybe they may say it and maybe one thousand and
fifty dollars where they're going to get something because somebody
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has to process. If Jmi is coming out, somebody's gonna
have to process these transactions. So do you I'm sure
you may or may not know, but would you speculate
that it would come with a fee once Jami gets involved?
That's I think that's kind of more where I'm going
with yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And I'd be speculating this is my educated guest more
than anything, but you know, I'd see it as no
different than getting a you know, realtor or you know,
divorce lawyer or something, you know, some type of representation
for anything where their job is to make your life
easier for a in their eyes, a very small chunk
of change. But they're also the ones that vouch for
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you for the legitimacy of the deal, to make sure
you don't get caught up in you know, illegal you know,
pay for play. Like they they are also kind of
the person kind of to hold accountable to say, you know, yes,
we have thoroughly researched this deal. We know it's legitimate.
We know that this isn't going to get you in
any eligibility issues or any thing like that. So there's
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kind of a safety measure that comes with it as
well to kind of protect all parties involved. So if
that means a slight cut, you know there, but that
could also lead to, well, hey, we all also got
four other deals set up compared to your one deal
that's gonna quintuple your money. You know, it kind of
works both ways, where if they if you let them
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do their job, you're going to be making more money
than you would have been doing just by yourself without
a you know, if they really just want to cut
out the Hey, this car dealership is paying you five
hundred grand for an hour of your time on a Sunday.
That's illegal. That is pay for play. That's that's what
the NCAA and then all the you know, the powers
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that be right now are trying to get away from
and that's the illegal stuff. That's why they do the
nil go. It's my understanding the jam I is not
trying to be this watchdog and Nikolandimia and say, oh no,
my my value of this is is twelve dollars. You're
wanting twenty dollars for this. Therefore, I'm sorry, I can't
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pass this for you. I don't think they're trying to
be obsessive with the with you know, puppeteering of the
whole thing. They just want, you know, a little they're
cut of the pie, but also to help you in.
These student athletes make as much as as they possibly
can too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And as we as I stated earlier, for the past
two years, I think we have discussed, you know, getting
all these collectors together under one umbrella, so that you know,
you don't have to go over here and pay fees here,
pay fees there. And I think in that Larry Vault,
I think that in those instances, this does work well
if you know, if these guys are just or if
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the company is just regulating everything and make sure everything
is up the standard, you know. And I would assume,
and I'm saying this is jest, I would assume that
Sandy Bell would be running it just because she had
a yellow tape everywhere, so she's not gonna let anything
goals over there. So, like I said, Jack has cleared
a whole lot up for me and gave me a
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lot better understanding. Larry Vaughan, I don't know if you
you more comfortable with it, because the first thing that
comes to mind is Jasper, And I know Jasper's dad
has done his family has done a great job of
marketing him and getting him deals and some things. But
like I said, I just want to make sure the
players aren't being taken advantage of it, and I definitely
don't think they have. I do think it has gotten
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a little bit out of control just for the I
think the effort and the on field on court displays
at certain levels, guys have gotten comfortable and the passions
may have lost the game because of the money being spent.
But I also, like Jack said, I don't want to
either want to get any financial trouble or trouble with eligibility.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
How in the world can you get in trouble right
now with the money they're throwing around and do I mean,
I don't get anybody could ever be in trouble any
or like, I don't know if you can ever if
you can even be academically ineligible anymore. So again for me,
it's kind of a wait and see. You also remember
JMI as the group that wouldn't let us do our
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radio show at UK or want to go to the
softball game?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Right, didn't you try to get us taken off air?
I didn't know. I do remembers having that discussion.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I do remember having that discussion, but it was marketing rights,
right or something.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So I'm just saying, let's kind of wait and see,
because I mean, JAMI has got to make money too.
I mean're going to be making money. This is not
just they're going to be out there trying to help
Anthony White get all the money he can, and they're
not going to make any money for their themselves either,
So let's just kind of see and again, what people
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say they will do and what people do are always
the same. And as Jack says, this is also new.
I don't think anybody really does know what what what's best.
And I've still been reading some things about how do
you really limit and tail business? What's too much for
them to pay? I mean, if they want to pay
that much, why can you not pay that much? So
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I think there's still a lot of things to be
straightened out with this at all. But bottom line is
hopefully a butch you guys, and hopefully females event they
can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Absolutely, we will continue this conversation after this break. You
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Speaker 2 (12:45):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
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the corner. October's right around the corner. UK basketball. He's
got everybody in town. Now everybody's uh so we got
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everybody all hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, so not everybody quite yet. The team is. There's
kind of a mandatory return day for August twenty first,
ahead of classes starting the twenty fifth. So I think
they wanted to get the Yellovich and the Jaden Quaintance
and the guys that kind of had a little bit
more of a question mark surrounding their status on campus acclimated,
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you know, getting you know, ramping up the rehab process
in Acquaintance's case, and for Yellovich to start the you know,
the mandatory screening and testing and you know, get his
conditioning test done so when it does come time for
the start of actual preseason practices, he is right there
ready to go alongside his teammates. So like Denzel Aberdeen
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came back you know super early. You know, Pope joked
on the podcast last week with CBS Sports that you
know he has a national championship ring on his finger
and wants to prove that, you know, he's outworking everybody
by you know, being being the one guy on campus
when everybody else is out. Reese Potter lives here, so
you know, he's in and out of the facility as well.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So you get some.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Outliers there, but a lot of these, you know, Colin Chandler,
Trent Noah, those other guys are on vacations and doing
kind of their exotic things for this very brief period.
They're going to come back this week and I think
they're going to do kind of like a retreat kind
of like what they did last last year where they
went to you know, Eastern Kentucky and kind of held
bill houses and do some out you know, outreach projects,
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go to the lake, do some you know, kind of
team bonding camp fire kind of those sorts of things.
And then I think once fall semester starts, once the
classes start, it's a full, full steam ahead for the
start of the preseason. So we're we are somehow right
around the corner from basketball season.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And why is I think nashally definitely locally Jalen Lowe,
why is his notoriety or steam picking up like, obviously
he is who he is, and we knew coming in
that he was a ball player, But what is he
doing now differently that everybody's starting to give him more recognition?
Is the University of Kentucky being behind his name now
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or or if he's putting it on display for Mark
Pope and the staff to see his shooting ability because
his name is all in the headlines all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think it's shooting.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Pope threw that in there in that same interview as
CBS Sports that he led the team in five on
five three point shooting, shot something like forty two from
three during during the entire eight week summer session. So
you get that. You get a kid that you know
on paper shot thirty something percent from the field and
twenty something percent from three, and you look, oh my goodness,
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how is that guy going to be the go to
guy for this offense? How is he going to be,
you know, the starting point guard. Well, it was because
he had no talent around him. He was poorly coached
and just kind of putting bad positions and kind of
had to do a little bit too much out of
his comfort zone. So now you want better coaching, more
talent around you, and hope that those things contribute to
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kind of a breakout season. He was already an all
ACC talent, you kind of hope that those things combined
lead to an all SEC campaign for him in you know,
this season. So I think it was they hoped that
he would look the way that he ended up actually
looking during the summer, and then once they kind of
confirmed what they saw on film as a real product,
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I think it could allow you pope to kind of
say things like, hey, he's going to be special for us.
He's you know, as as advertised, he's got the goods.
So I think they just needed a confirmation of what
they already kind of thought about him watching them on film,
but once they actually got their hands on them and
got to see how good he was around these teammates.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I guess kind of with that because I guess
maybe the positions they play may dictate.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But is it Jalen's team or is oway or is
it always team?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And obviously I know you're gonna say it's always team,
But if if the point guard does what he's supposed
to do, he's supposed to get the best bucket if
he can get to the bucket every time. I tell
my point guard to get to the bucket every time.
But I know everybody expects who wants everything to go through?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh way.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm just is there any chance that if the team
may be his or you think even out of position,
that the team is absolutely away.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I've I've heard really really good things about Jalen as
a leader, as a player, as a talent, with efficiency,
all of those things. You know, you win in the
summer knowing exactly what you had in Otago. Oh wait,
that's great. That is an absolute luxury. It's it's the
dream scenario for any coach. Hey, I have an all
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SEC talent returning for one more senior campaign with me
at my school. It's a dream come true. The way
Jalen has stepped up in so many different areas and
as a leader and as a talent and as good
as he's been. There was real kind of one a
one B talk this summer about it being yes, yeah,
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obviously it's Otaga's team. He's the leader, he's the face
of the program. That's a massive, massive thing. But don't
discount Jalen Lowe. You know kind of you know it
was Otega's team last year. But when Lamont Butler was
ready to go on Lamont Butler time, you knew it.
It was it was his time. He was the leader.
He was a straw that started to drink. So I
think there's a lot to be said about Jalen Low
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and in what he's going to be leading this program.
I think he's fully capable and I think he I
think Kentucky could have two All SEC talents this year
with Otago away in Jaylenlo leading charge.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And because we're going to get over we only got
about thirty seconds because we're going to go to football
when we come back from break, because we are losing.
You just so that because Larry Vault wasn't here last week,
where do you stand on the record for UK football
this year? What do we conclude last week? I know
you only got the first seven games in, but where
do you conclude?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I submitted my official season predictions for KSR and Kentucky
will not be going to a bawl. Unfortunately, it's a
five and seven campaign where Kentucky is going to be better.
They're going to be disciplined, the culture is going to
be back to the blue collar. What we loved and
what made Mark Stoops the winning as coach of all time.
But the talent isn't good enough and the schedule is
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a little bit too difficult to go back bawling.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
So five and seven for.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Me, Zach, I didn't say that that was Jack Pilgrim.
We will continue to show after this year. Listening to
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Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony.
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White along with Larry Vaut.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
This is our Sunday morning sports talk is brought to
you by a country boy brewing. We're talking to UK
basketball with Jack Pipprill before he got off, and I
did not get an opportunity for Larry Vaught to Larry.
I do know you had an article out this week
about the fun that Mark Pope is having coaching University
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of University of Kentucky and navigating the NIL era and
the transform Portable era. He seems to be excited. I
guess I'm not surprised by that. Nothing seems really much
to bother he. I think he's he's had a clean
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slate just from the beginning. I think everybody's given him
several years. Even though last year together a team that
performed very well. If you take away the injuries, I
think they you get a little bit more out of
that squad. But I'm just you know, just looking at
your article, Mark Pope seems to enjoy what he's what
he's doing right now. Are you covering basketball as much
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as you're covering football or are you just taking Mark
Pope's quote.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Saying you just kind of take what's available to you
there most of the summer, there's a lot more basketball
to write about than football because basketball players were available
to you. And then this week, but basically, Mark Pope
at a press conference with Matt Noorlander of CBS Sports
on a podcast, when you stay down for seventy minutes,
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save minutes talking. So that's why there's so many stories
coming out about different things that Mark Pope said, because
trying to think of the last time a UK coach
did a local press conference for seventy minutes, and I
can't remember one in the fifty some years that I've
done it, So there was a lot of stuff that
came out in a seventy minute conversation. So I think
that's why you've seen a lot of basketball articles in
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the last week or two because you listen to what
all Mark Pope had to say on the podcast, and
he had a lot of really neat things to say.
And I really thought it was how interesting it was
that he talked about right now, most coaches are just
telling you that this transfer portal in IL is just
driving them crazy and how you can't cope with it now,
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and he turns around and says, it's the coolest time
ever to be a high school ard, to be a
college coach, because you've got this pool of players you
can go out and get it and evaluate and do
all that. It's just kind of the exact opposite of
what most coaches do and how they embrace it. I
thought it was really interesting the way he did that,
And that's why I think probably Kentucky's in IL, no
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matter who's in charge or how it works out, is
going to be just fine because they've got a head
coach that embraces it so well.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and that was that was my That was my thing.
How could it be exciting. But then again, if you
look at football, I don't know what Ryan Day has
going on up there. I don't know what Kirby's, Marketer
or those guys are dealing with. Because when you're at
the top of the mountain, you get whoever you want.
So you sitting back looking at transfer a portal like, hey,
if you can't get a guy to come to Ohio State, Alabama,
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Georgia in football, if you can't get And now the
fact that Mark Stupe, I mean Mark Pope is a
great coach and he has a University of Kentucky behind him.
He can get whoever he wants to come here. But
do you think that changes at any point if the
fan base turns on him? Because again, Mark Stoops has
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created an environment that we've never seen before. He's done
everything we've asked him to do. Has he had some
low moments, Yeah, there's been some low moments, But I
think this job got a little stressful for him. And
maybe that's why the Texas A and M thing came up.
But I don't see that happening the Mark Pope because
I guess he I think I feel like he's one
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of ours.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He's won a championship here. But I do like the
Mark Pope.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I just can't imagine and don't want to see and
hope we never have to see a time when Mark
Pope is not.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Proud to be here or happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think we have seen with
both John cal Perry and Mark Stoops that the longer
you're at a place, sometimes the harder it is to
keep everybody happy. And when you have a blip or
you decline a little bit, I think it's magnified more
if you've been there ten, twelve, thirteen years versus if
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you've been there two years. So I think, I mean,
I think a lot of the things and giddiness we're
seeing from Mark Pope right now if you're honest, and
we'll think back. I mean John cal Perry was very
similar to those first few years that he was here.
I mean, he was like that a lot and a
lot more available than things. But I think you're absolutely
right about Mark Pope. He's he's a life for if
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he can be, He'll just be a Kentucky for as
long as Mitch Barhart or whoever is in charge will
let him be. And I think fans are going to
continue to embrace Mark because he's just a different type dude.
I mean you, I don't know if you were around
him any when you played, but he was a different
type dude when he played, and he certainly a different
type coach with how he does and the way he
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approaches things. I think that's why players probably enjoy playing
for him so much. And I'm really anxious see what
they're going to do this year because when you look
at what you think they have this going into this
year versus what you thought they had going into last year,
I mean, you feel a whole lot better about this
roster at this stage. But then again, you look at
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what that first roster did and it was pretty remarkable.
Some of the games that they want now. They had
a few bad losses, but man, they had a lot
of great wins too.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, And it's funny you said that went out when
you think about Mark Pope. When I was in college,
Mark Pope and Jeff Shepherd and I say Aulton McCarty,
all those guys were in business all time. They were straight, straight, lace,
straight business nice guys. They were very nice guys. But
if you saw you see Wayne Turner Ryan Mercer, Derek Anderson,
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Tony Delp, those guys always smile and left. But Jeff
and Mark Pope and like I said, the ones I
could think of Waltter McCarty. They were never said they
were nice, they were cordial, professional, but like I said,
they wanted to type the smile and joke around. It
was pretty much business. So I don't know. So it
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seems like Mark Pope is like like he knows going
to have fun when the smile and have fun. But
like I said, I named, I can name every time
I saw Ryan Mercer, he was smiling. Every time I
saw Wayne Turner, Tony Delp. There were just some of
those guys just already had a smile on the face
like they were having fun. So it doesn't it doesn't
surprise me. Mark Pope seems to enjoy the task of
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coaching or the thrill or the challenge of coaching. And
I think that's what the fan base can see. What says,
if you don't consider it a job, you just consider
an opportunity. And I think he enjoys doing that and
you know, putting his basketball mind to work and seeing
it manifests itself from the court.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Yeah, I think that's true, and I think it's gonna
be fun to watch them this year and see what
they can what they can get done. And like I said,
he's just so open. I think that's another thing that
fans and I know media love about Mark is you
know what's going on with his program. He didn't really
try to hide anything. He just goes out and talks
about it. I mean, on that podcast kind of surprised me.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Paid the intention or not, Anthony, but what do you
think he said was a loss that hurt him the
most last year?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I can't think give it to me.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Ohio State and Madison Square Garden, but Ohio State just
kind of bulleted him and knocked him around for good.
He basically said he was kind of embarrassed by what
they did that day. Is such a respected place because
Mark loved Madison Square Garden. I thought, I thought he's
probably gonna say the man that lost to Tennessee and
the NCAA tournament after we beat him twice if we'd
had our full roster. But no, for him to go
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back and do that this this kind of surprised me.
But that's just kind of the way he is and
also and why you I think have to have have
to love the guy, and he'll have his players out
doing all the same things this year. I don't think nil,
however much money is won't change the way his players
react and act and interact with fans, because Mark wouldn't
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have it any other way. That's that's kind of guys
he's gonna bring here and I think that's gonna be
fun for fans every year that he's here.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, I forgot about that Ohio State game. I just
went back and looked at him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That was that was a twenty point loss and for
his team to only put up sixty five points, so
it had a hurt that it was a twenty point loss.
But the fact that your offense wasn't offensing, I think
that may have been more of the reason then and
then again and playing in the historic place like Madison
Square Garden. But man, I forgot about that twenty point loss.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of had too. And I went
back and looked and thought, yeah, man, they never went
back and got read some of the recaps and they
were never in the game. It's just one of those
peg people that they were ready for Christmas. They were
ready for Santa Claus and not Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I agree, we're going to convert over into football, Larry Vaught,
So put your football hat on because you do know
this is a football state. And if you would like
to join the show to let us know what you
thought about the the branding deal with JM I, you
could call them, let us know what you think about it.
(29:44):
How do you think it's going to impact us. I
think we've got a pretty good understanding. I think Jack
Pigling was very instrumental and explaining some things that I
was really not clear on. As Larry Vaught said, there
are some things that we just have to wait and
see how it's going to break down. But we're going
to break down UK football a little bit more. Because
Larry Vault was not with us last week, we're gonna
try to see if maybe he's changed his mind. I'm
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sure he's talked to some of the players, he's watched
some podcasts, he's you know, had a chance to go
to Maine and clear his mind. You'd like to join
the show eight five nine to eight zero two two
eight seven eight five nine to eight zero Cats. We
will be back after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 1 (30:26):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (30:36):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vault and producer Both Robinson talking
UK sports, UK basketball when we converting over to UK
football now. Larry Vault was out last week and we
are what two weeks away from the first UK football
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game against Alito here at Kroger Field. But a lot
of people seem to think that it's going to be
a tough game. There's quite a few people who think
that Toledo has an opportunity to win that game. I
do not think they do. Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim
gave us a five and seven record, which means he
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thinks we're going to lose to Louisville and win two
SEC games, which he didn't do last year, and win
out of three out of conference games. But for whatever reason,
there are people sports writers who think Toledo's tough because
they want to beat Pitt in the Bowl game last
year that they could possibly upset Kentucky at home first
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game of the season. But you know what, I know,
Larry vatte that this time last year, Kentucky was battling injuries.
There was a ton of injuries just making it through
spring and summer practices. But we don't have those We
don't have those injuries this year. We got a full squad,
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We got a bunch of hungry new people. We don't
have people sitting out of practice.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But I.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Find it extremely disrespectful that people act like this Toledo
game is going to be one that we got to
look out for. And I don't just because Toledo are
those guys on scholarship. Those guys were great high school
players and they do have an opportunity to win the game.
Because I've been an underdog before, I don't think it's
fair to make someone believe that they're underdog and they
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just live with that. I absolutely have no point, but
I do think that it's extremely disrespectful what Mark Steup's
has accomplished here and just the coaches in general, and
you know, the transfer portal, because the guys on the
squad now, Larry vaud are not the same guys who
went four and eight.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Last year, well Mark Steups said they had to worry
about Tale Done.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh I'm saying worry about them. I know that I
correctly what I said. I said, you have to worry
about them. But we we got a tough schedule coming
ahead of us. So if we feel like we're gonna
have to if we're not prepared to beat little I
mean prepared to beat Toledo the first game of the season,
then I think we are a long season. I'm not saying
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you you should prepare. You don't overlook anybody this day
and age. But if we feel like we're going to
have a tough time, like we're not prepared or there's
there's some problems that are going to be manifest themselves
against Toledo, and we got Old miss the very next
week coming into town, I think we got bigger, bigger
fish to fry.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah. I think that's a very fair point, and I
think that's what a lot of people are just kind
of worrying about until you see, I mean, it is
a Toledo team that did pummel Mississippi State last year.
It's a Toledo team that outscored Pittsburgh in a bowl game.
It's a Toledo team that's picked to win the MAC
Conference or the Mid American Conference. Again, it's illegal team
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that's got a lot of guys back, so I think again,
and there's a lot of still unknown on the Kentucky
team to most of us because we just haven't seen
a lot of them to really know what to think
and what not to think. And here kind of depends
on who I talk to about practice and what's going
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on as to whether man, I can't wait to see
this or I'm a little worried about what we're going
to see. So for me, again, until I can see it,
I just can't believe it. I've got to see it
and have something to base us. I want to see
what happens the first two weeks, and then I think
we'll have a great idea of what the next ten
games will be like after what we see these first
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two weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
My question to you is as much football as you've watched,
even with me playing just for what thirty years ago?
As much football as you watched, how and you're an
intelligent guy.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You have a good football a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You have a good sports in general because you've seen
a lot of foot football or a lot of sports,
you've seen ebbs and flows. But for you to even say, well,
I don't know what I'm going to see because of
what happened last year. We do both understand, hopefully we
both understand that last year that team did not compete.
We're not saying we didn't have the Jimmies and Joe's.
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That team did not compete well for two thirds of
the season. They didn't compete. Do you Now you're saying
we got a word. Now you're putting this back to
where we got to worry about the Toledos of the world.
I'm not saying we don't. I'm not saying Toledo didn't
overachieve last year or didn't achieve, did not have did
not experience a lot of success. You're saying you sound
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as if our team you got more faith in Toledo
than you doing us, as if you haven't watched the
last eight years, like you only watched last year. You
have watched the last eight years of us not losing
out a conference. Now we're back to, you know, fighting
with a with MAC teams and mid mid mid major squads.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, I think for one that Toledo is better than
a lot of those other teams they've played out of
conference the last six seven years. I think that's one
big divers I think Toledo is just a better team
than they what they have normally played, and especially to
open the season, a better team than what they have
normally played. I mean, I don't think that's any secret.
I mean the Kentucky coaches have all said the same
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thing there. I'm just saying that, I don't know. Yeah,
I hear all this stuff about culture, and I all
like that. I'm just saying that in my fifty some years,
when the main thing I hear a team talking about
is culture at this sometimes kind of worries me a
little bit because I want to hear them talk a
little bit more about somebody's really looking great. And I
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know Stoops that said that's not what he's going to
do this year, And maybe they'll go nine and three
and I'll be sitting here for a month having to
tell you how wrong I was and you reminded me
of every week, and that could happen. But let me
just see two weeks and then I'll be able to
find reasons either be really optimistic or to say, oh man,
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this is this is gonna be tough what they're going
to have to deal with the rest of this year.
But let me just see what's going to go on.
Let's see what's going to happen at quarterback. Let's see
this offensive line that all we're hearing so much about it.
Is it going to be as good as what we've heard.
Is the defense going to put those pieces together and
be as good as what we think it can be.
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So I'm just saying, give me a little time to see,
because just because you say you've got good culture, and
you got good this and that, until you get on
the field, I don't in the game. I don't think
you ever really know, because I don't think at this
time last year most people were expecting midway through the
season to have as many guys just basically quit on
the team. It's what they did.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And Larry Vaught, you questioned my defense again, and I
told you last year and the whole hold me down
for a second, what I told you how good our
defense was going to be. Take the South Carolina gain
out of it. For whatever reason, when I told you
how good our defense is going to be, those first
five games, they showed you what I They gave up
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at some point, and they did have injuries coming into
the season. So I you said, you want to see
how good the defense. The defense was really good last year.
They were extremely good. The first five games of the season,
they were extremely good. But it was like I told you,
no more than two touchdowns from teams, and they were
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outside of South Carolina, nobody got more than two touchdowns.
But now you're regressed back to they got to prove
and show you something. So I don't know, I'm trying
to get the fan base. I'm trying to what's that.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
They lost a lot of They lost a lot of
players off that defense.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
So Anthony, yeah, those yeah, but then those were the
same players that made us go four and eight. We're
glad to see them go. We still got the same
defensive court in their same defensive line.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Coach.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
We'll continue this conversation when we come back. You're listening
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vad and Jack Pilgrim coming from
Clark's Main Street work is Studio Clark's Pumpy Shop, Return,
Refresh and Refuel. The big news I think of the
week is the JMI is partnering with University of Kentucky
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to handle all of their marketing branding as well as
nil and Jack Pilgrim seems well versed and he's educating me,
so I got a better understanding of it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Jack Pilgrim.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
On I was a senior, there was a prominent memorabilia
shop that wanted to do an autograph signing with myself,
Jeff Snedecker and James Whalen, and I was strongly encouraged
not to do an autograph signing with these people.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I'm not gonna give any names.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But ironically the owners of the company were from up
northeast Ohio, and I don't think it was Cleveland Akron,
but it was really close to Twinsburg and that just
happened to be ironic that we were just talking and
I did not do the autograph signing, which was several thousands.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of dollars that were to be gained.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And I later found out that I was encouraged not
to do the autograph signing just because whatever member of
the University of Kentucky did not like the way that
company did business. So they discouraged me from doing the
autograph signing. Now James and Jeff did, and so they
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just spent They just split the whole pot that I
didn't partake of. They split it between the two of them.
Point being is, I know you've got me to understand
a little bit better with the JMI branding deal with
uk IS, but I'm still kind of lost and I
think Larry's still kind of lost on And because our
seasons a football, basketball track for all these other seasons volleyball,
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I mean yeah, volleyball. All these seasons are going to
go on baseball, whether we like it or not. So
while they're trying to work out the kinks, who's responsible?
So can Anthony White go to say Mimi's Restaurant on
New Circle Road and say, hey, I want you I
want to do an ad for you or I want
to do sponsorship when you maybe one thousand dollars a month,
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whatever the case may be. Does that at this point
right now? Does that have to go through JMI or
can you still be your independent own brand, because that's
what Nils made for. So when now we're back square one,
which I've always wanted the stuff to be governed. I
didn't want these young guys to be going around getting
themselves in holes and just you know, pay for play
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all willy nilly, because we saw last year, even with
great talent, some of those guys didn't live up to it,
I think because they were compensated so comfortably. I'm just
trying to figure out where we are now. So if
Anthony White wants to go to Mimi's restaurant and do
a deal with them, do I have to have permission
from JMI or do I have to be exclude myself
from that deal and be an independent, independent person where
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I can do my own deals, which you eloquently stated
that if you if you do work with JMI, they
got a better they got a better chance of getting
you a bigger deal, or you can go off from
your own you know, Nicol and Dime yourself to death.
Do fifty dollars here, fifty dollars there, or jam I
can get you a big cover deal. So so I
may have came off brash in the beginning because I
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felt I didn't like the whole idea. But you've convinced
me that partner with j Ami as probably a really
good deal. I just don't like the two entities. I
don't like the left hand control in the right hand.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, honestly, I think you nailed it. I think you, Yes,
you will have insert say Zach Calzada will have the
flexibility to say Mimi's restaurant is my favorite in Lexington.
I'm I want to do a sponsorship with them because
I proudly support their food and their mission or whatever.
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And yes, he can go by himself, inc an NIL
deal and submit it through Nil, go himself and do
things through that. But it just there are other you know,
it adds more and more and more you know, red
tape to cut through for him specifically, whereas JM I
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already has the background, They already have the you know,
knowing how to get deals through. And I go and
you know, to cut through the nonsense of the of
the issue on paper, you want JMI to be the
one to say, Hey, I know that you're a big
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fan of Mimi's restaurant. I have set up this deal
for you. All you have to do is show up
at six o'clock for you know, photo shoot for the dinner,
for an Instagram story or something like that. Will take
care of the rest. That's what you hope happens, and
that's what they are saying. We will facilitate anything you want,
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will be the middleman for you to cut out any
extra stuff that you want to do. But if you
feel that you're being short changed, if you feel that
you can go above and beyond and do your own thing,
they are not, you know, basically saying that you're not
allowed to do that. They're just saying, if you want
to do that, you know, go ahead. But we can
make your life all he like a lot easier by
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doing it for you if you let us. So it
works both ways. If you truly want to do it yourself,
you're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's nil.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
That's today's era of college athletics. That's how we wanted
it to be. But JMI is is there to be
the middleman that you know makes everybody's life easier on paper.
That's that's their intention and their goal with this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And Jack, I'm going to assume just like lawyers and doctors,
they don't come out of their office for free. So
if I understand exactly what you said, and it makes
perfect sense, But if I know the owners of me
needs and they tell me we'll give you a thousand
dollars a week, you just come, maybe have dinner or
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have you know, have dinner here, let us take pictures,
you know, you pull you you know, make some social
media posts. If you get Jami involved there, they're definitely
gonna get a cut, right, So that's cutting into your
deal or you saying they're gonna facilitate it without So
if I if I know I'm getting a thousand dollars,
maybe they may say it and maybe one thousand and
fifty dollars where they're going to get something because somebody
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has to process. If Jmi is coming out, somebody's gonna
have to process these transactions. So do you I'm sure
you may or may not know, but would you speculate
that it would come with a fee once Jami gets involved?
That's I think that's kind of more where I'm going
with yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And I'd be speculating this is my educated guest more
than anything, but you know, I'd see it as no
different than getting a you know, realtor or you know,
divorce lawyer or something, you know, some type of representation
for anything where their job is to make your life
easier for a in their eyes, a very small chunk
of change. But they're also the ones that vouch for
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you for the legitimacy of the deal, to make sure
you don't get caught up in you know, illegal you know,
pay for play. Like they they are also kind of
the person kind of to hold accountable to say, you know, yes,
we have thoroughly researched this deal. We know it's legitimate.
We know that this isn't going to get you in
any eligibility issues or any thing like that. So there's
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kind of a safety measure that comes with it as
well to kind of protect all parties involved. So if
that means a slight cut, you know there, but that
could also lead to, well, hey, we all also got
four other deals set up compared to your one deal
that's gonna quintuple your money. You know, it kind of
works both ways, where if they if you let them
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do their job, you're going to be making more money
than you would have been doing just by yourself without
a you know, if they really just want to cut
out the Hey, this car dealership is paying you five
hundred grand for an hour of your time on a Sunday.
That's illegal. That is pay for play. That's that's what
the NCAA and then all the you know, the powers
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that be right now are trying to get away from
and that's the illegal stuff. That's why they do the
nil go. It's my understanding the jam I is not
trying to be this watchdog and Nikolandimia and say, oh no,
my my value of this is is twelve dollars. You're
wanting twenty dollars for this. Therefore, I'm sorry, I can't
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pass this for you. I don't think they're trying to
be obsessive with the with you know, puppeteering of the
whole thing. They just want, you know, a little they're
cut of the pie, but also to help you in.
These student athletes make as much as as they possibly
can too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And as we as I stated earlier, for the past
two years, I think we have discussed, you know, getting
all these collectors together under one umbrella, so that you know,
you don't have to go over here and pay fees here,
pay fees there. And I think in that Larry Vault,
I think that in those instances, this does work well
if you know, if these guys are just or if
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the company is just regulating everything and make sure everything
is up the standard, you know. And I would assume,
and I'm saying this is jest, I would assume that
Sandy Bell would be running it just because she had
a yellow tape everywhere, so she's not gonna let anything
goals over there. So, like I said, Jack has cleared
a whole lot up for me and gave me a
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lot better understanding. Larry Vaughan, I don't know if you
you more comfortable with it, because the first thing that
comes to mind is Jasper, And I know Jasper's dad
has done his family has done a great job of
marketing him and getting him deals and some things. But
like I said, I just want to make sure the
players aren't being taken advantage of it, and I definitely
don't think they have. I do think it has gotten
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a little bit out of control just for the I
think the effort and the on field on court displays
at certain levels, guys have gotten comfortable and the passions
may have lost the game because of the money being spent.
But I also, like Jack said, I don't want to
either want to get any financial trouble or trouble with eligibility.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
How in the world can you get in trouble right
now with the money they're throwing around and do I mean,
I don't get anybody could ever be in trouble any
or like, I don't know if you can ever if
you can even be academically ineligible anymore. So again for me,
it's kind of a wait and see. You also remember
JMI as the group that wouldn't let us do our
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radio show at UK or want to go to the
softball game?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Right, didn't you try to get us taken off air?
I didn't know. I do remembers having that discussion.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I do remember having that discussion, but it was marketing rights,
right or something.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So I'm just saying, let's kind of wait and see,
because I mean, JAMI has got to make money too.
I mean're going to be making money. This is not
just they're going to be out there trying to help
Anthony White get all the money he can, and they're
not going to make any money for their themselves either,
So let's just kind of see and again, what people
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say they will do and what people do are always
the same. And as Jack says, this is also new.
I don't think anybody really does know what what what's best.
And I've still been reading some things about how do
you really limit and tail business? What's too much for
them to pay? I mean, if they want to pay
that much, why can you not pay that much? So
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I think there's still a lot of things to be
straightened out with this at all. But bottom line is
hopefully a butch you guys, and hopefully females event they
can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Absolutely, we will continue this conversation after this break. You
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got everybody in town. Now everybody's uh so we got
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everybody all hands on deck.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, so not everybody quite yet. The team is. There's
kind of a mandatory return day for August twenty first,
ahead of classes starting the twenty fifth. So I think
they wanted to get the Yellovich and the Jaden Quaintance
and the guys that kind of had a little bit
more of a question mark surrounding their status on campus acclimated,
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you know, getting you know, ramping up the rehab process
in Acquaintance's case, and for Yellovich to start the you know,
the mandatory screening and testing and you know, get his
conditioning test done so when it does come time for
the start of actual preseason practices, he is right there
ready to go alongside his teammates. So like Denzel Aberdeen
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came back you know super early. You know, Pope joked
on the podcast last week with CBS Sports that you
know he has a national championship ring on his finger
and wants to prove that, you know, he's outworking everybody
by you know, being being the one guy on campus
when everybody else is out. Reese Potter lives here, so
you know, he's in and out of the facility as well.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So you get some.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Outliers there, but a lot of these, you know, Colin Chandler,
Trent Noah, those other guys are on vacations and doing
kind of their exotic things for this very brief period.
They're going to come back this week and I think
they're going to do kind of like a retreat kind
of like what they did last last year where they
went to you know, Eastern Kentucky and kind of held
bill houses and do some out you know, outreach projects,
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go to the lake, do some you know, kind of
team bonding camp fire kind of those sorts of things.
And then I think once fall semester starts, once the
classes start, it's a full, full steam ahead for the
start of the preseason. So we're we are somehow right
around the corner from basketball season.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And why is I think nashally definitely locally Jalen Lowe,
why is his notoriety or steam picking up like, obviously
he is who he is, and we knew coming in
that he was a ball player, But what is he
doing now differently that everybody's starting to give him more recognition?
Is the University of Kentucky being behind his name now
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or or if he's putting it on display for Mark
Pope and the staff to see his shooting ability because
his name is all in the headlines all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I think it's shooting.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Pope threw that in there in that same interview as
CBS Sports that he led the team in five on
five three point shooting, shot something like forty two from
three during during the entire eight week summer session. So
you get that. You get a kid that you know
on paper shot thirty something percent from the field and
twenty something percent from three, and you look, oh my goodness,
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how is that guy going to be the go to
guy for this offense? How is he going to be,
you know, the starting point guard. Well, it was because
he had no talent around him. He was poorly coached
and just kind of putting bad positions and kind of
had to do a little bit too much out of
his comfort zone. So now you want better coaching, more
talent around you, and hope that those things contribute to
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kind of a breakout season. He was already an all
ACC talent, you kind of hope that those things combined
lead to an all SEC campaign for him in you know,
this season. So I think it was they hoped that
he would look the way that he ended up actually
looking during the summer, and then once they kind of
confirmed what they saw on film as a real product,
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I think it could allow you pope to kind of
say things like, hey, he's going to be special for us.
He's you know, as as advertised, he's got the goods.
So I think they just needed a confirmation of what
they already kind of thought about him watching them on film,
but once they actually got their hands on them and
got to see how good he was around these teammates.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I guess kind of with that because I guess
maybe the positions they play may dictate.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But is it Jalen's team or is oway or is
it always team?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And obviously I know you're gonna say it's always team,
But if if the point guard does what he's supposed
to do, he's supposed to get the best bucket if
he can get to the bucket every time. I tell
my point guard to get to the bucket every time.
But I know everybody expects who wants everything to go through?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Oh way.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm just is there any chance that if the team
may be his or you think even out of position,
that the team is absolutely away.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I've I've heard really really good things about Jalen as
a leader, as a player, as a talent, with efficiency,
all of those things. You know, you win in the
summer knowing exactly what you had in Otago. Oh wait,
that's great. That is an absolute luxury. It's it's the
dream scenario for any coach. Hey, I have an all
(18:08):
SEC talent returning for one more senior campaign with me
at my school. It's a dream come true. The way
Jalen has stepped up in so many different areas and
as a leader and as a talent and as good
as he's been. There was real kind of one a
one B talk this summer about it being yes, yeah,
(18:29):
obviously it's Otaga's team. He's the leader, he's the face
of the program. That's a massive, massive thing. But don't
discount Jalen Lowe. You know kind of you know it
was Otega's team last year. But when Lamont Butler was
ready to go on Lamont Butler time, you knew it.
It was it was his time. He was the leader.
He was a straw that started to drink. So I
think there's a lot to be said about Jalen Low
(18:51):
and in what he's going to be leading this program.
I think he's fully capable and I think he I
think Kentucky could have two All SEC talents this year
with Otago away in Jaylenlo leading charge.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And because we're going to get over we only got
about thirty seconds because we're going to go to football
when we come back from break, because we are losing.
You just so that because Larry Vault wasn't here last week,
where do you stand on the record for UK football
this year? What do we conclude last week? I know
you only got the first seven games in, but where
do you conclude?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I submitted my official season predictions for KSR and Kentucky
will not be going to a bawl. Unfortunately, it's a
five and seven campaign where Kentucky is going to be better.
They're going to be disciplined, the culture is going to
be back to the blue collar. What we loved and
what made Mark Stoops the winning as coach of all time.
But the talent isn't good enough and the schedule is
(19:43):
a little bit too difficult to go back bawling.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
So five and seven for.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Me, Zach, I didn't say that that was Jack Pilgrim.
We will continue to show after this year. Listening to
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Speaker 1 (19:54):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (20:04):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
White along with Larry Vaut.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
This is our Sunday morning sports talk is brought to
you by a country boy brewing. We're talking to UK
basketball with Jack Pipprill before he got off, and I
did not get an opportunity for Larry Vaught to Larry.
I do know you had an article out this week
about the fun that Mark Pope is having coaching University
(20:33):
of University of Kentucky and navigating the NIL era and
the transform Portable era. He seems to be excited. I
guess I'm not surprised by that. Nothing seems really much
to bother he. I think he's he's had a clean
(20:55):
slate just from the beginning. I think everybody's given him
several years. Even though last year together a team that
performed very well. If you take away the injuries, I
think they you get a little bit more out of
that squad. But I'm just you know, just looking at
your article, Mark Pope seems to enjoy what he's what
he's doing right now. Are you covering basketball as much
(21:17):
as you're covering football or are you just taking Mark
Pope's quote.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Saying you just kind of take what's available to you
there most of the summer, there's a lot more basketball
to write about than football because basketball players were available
to you. And then this week, but basically, Mark Pope
at a press conference with Matt Noorlander of CBS Sports
on a podcast, when you stay down for seventy minutes,
(21:44):
save minutes talking. So that's why there's so many stories
coming out about different things that Mark Pope said, because
trying to think of the last time a UK coach
did a local press conference for seventy minutes, and I
can't remember one in the fifty some years that I've
done it, So there was a lot of stuff that
came out in a seventy minute conversation. So I think
that's why you've seen a lot of basketball articles in
(22:06):
the last week or two because you listen to what
all Mark Pope had to say on the podcast, and
he had a lot of really neat things to say.
And I really thought it was how interesting it was
that he talked about right now, most coaches are just
telling you that this transfer portal in IL is just
driving them crazy and how you can't cope with it now,
(22:27):
and he turns around and says, it's the coolest time
ever to be a high school ard, to be a
college coach, because you've got this pool of players you
can go out and get it and evaluate and do
all that. It's just kind of the exact opposite of
what most coaches do and how they embrace it. I
thought it was really interesting the way he did that,
And that's why I think probably Kentucky's in IL, no
(22:47):
matter who's in charge or how it works out, is
going to be just fine because they've got a head
coach that embraces it so well.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, and that was that was my That was my thing.
How could it be exciting. But then again, if you
look at football, I don't know what Ryan Day has
going on up there. I don't know what Kirby's, Marketer
or those guys are dealing with. Because when you're at
the top of the mountain, you get whoever you want.
So you sitting back looking at transfer a portal like, hey,
if you can't get a guy to come to Ohio State, Alabama,
(23:14):
Georgia in football, if you can't get And now the
fact that Mark Stupe, I mean Mark Pope is a
great coach and he has a University of Kentucky behind him.
He can get whoever he wants to come here. But
do you think that changes at any point if the
fan base turns on him? Because again, Mark Stoops has
(23:35):
created an environment that we've never seen before. He's done
everything we've asked him to do. Has he had some
low moments, Yeah, there's been some low moments, But I
think this job got a little stressful for him. And
maybe that's why the Texas A and M thing came up.
But I don't see that happening the Mark Pope because
I guess he I think I feel like he's one
(23:55):
of ours.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He's won a championship here. But I do like the
Mark Pope.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I just can't imagine and don't want to see and
hope we never have to see a time when Mark
Pope is not.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Proud to be here or happy to be here.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think we have seen with
both John cal Perry and Mark Stoops that the longer
you're at a place, sometimes the harder it is to
keep everybody happy. And when you have a blip or
you decline a little bit, I think it's magnified more
if you've been there ten, twelve, thirteen years versus if
(24:37):
you've been there two years. So I think, I mean,
I think a lot of the things and giddiness we're
seeing from Mark Pope right now if you're honest, and
we'll think back. I mean John cal Perry was very
similar to those first few years that he was here.
I mean, he was like that a lot and a
lot more available than things. But I think you're absolutely
right about Mark Pope. He's he's a life for if
(25:00):
he can be, He'll just be a Kentucky for as
long as Mitch Barhart or whoever is in charge will
let him be. And I think fans are going to
continue to embrace Mark because he's just a different type dude.
I mean you, I don't know if you were around
him any when you played, but he was a different
type dude when he played, and he certainly a different
type coach with how he does and the way he
(25:23):
approaches things. I think that's why players probably enjoy playing
for him so much. And I'm really anxious see what
they're going to do this year because when you look
at what you think they have this going into this
year versus what you thought they had going into last year,
I mean, you feel a whole lot better about this
roster at this stage. But then again, you look at
(25:44):
what that first roster did and it was pretty remarkable.
Some of the games that they want now. They had
a few bad losses, but man, they had a lot
of great wins too.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, And it's funny you said that went out when
you think about Mark Pope. When I was in college,
Mark Pope and Jeff Shepherd and I say Aulton McCarty,
all those guys were in business all time. They were straight, straight, lace,
straight business nice guys. They were very nice guys. But
if you saw you see Wayne Turner Ryan Mercer, Derek Anderson,
(26:12):
Tony Delp, those guys always smile and left. But Jeff
and Mark Pope and like I said, the ones I
could think of Waltter McCarty. They were never said they
were nice, they were cordial, professional, but like I said,
they wanted to type the smile and joke around. It
was pretty much business. So I don't know. So it
(26:32):
seems like Mark Pope is like like he knows going
to have fun when the smile and have fun. But
like I said, I named, I can name every time
I saw Ryan Mercer, he was smiling. Every time I
saw Wayne Turner, Tony Delp. There were just some of
those guys just already had a smile on the face
like they were having fun. So it doesn't it doesn't
surprise me. Mark Pope seems to enjoy the task of
(26:54):
coaching or the thrill or the challenge of coaching. And
I think that's what the fan base can see. What says,
if you don't consider it a job, you just consider
an opportunity. And I think he enjoys doing that and
you know, putting his basketball mind to work and seeing
it manifests itself from the court.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Yeah, I think that's true, and I think it's gonna
be fun to watch them this year and see what
they can what they can get done. And like I said,
he's just so open. I think that's another thing that
fans and I know media love about Mark is you
know what's going on with his program. He didn't really
try to hide anything. He just goes out and talks
about it. I mean, on that podcast kind of surprised me.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Paid the intention or not, Anthony, but what do you
think he said was a loss that hurt him the
most last year?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I can't think give it to me.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Ohio State and Madison Square Garden, but Ohio State just
kind of bulleted him and knocked him around for good.
He basically said he was kind of embarrassed by what
they did that day. Is such a respected place because
Mark loved Madison Square Garden. I thought, I thought he's
probably gonna say the man that lost to Tennessee and
the NCAA tournament after we beat him twice if we'd
had our full roster. But no, for him to go
(28:09):
back and do that this this kind of surprised me.
But that's just kind of the way he is and
also and why you I think have to have have
to love the guy, and he'll have his players out
doing all the same things this year. I don't think nil,
however much money is won't change the way his players
react and act and interact with fans, because Mark wouldn't
(28:31):
have it any other way. That's that's kind of guys
he's gonna bring here and I think that's gonna be
fun for fans every year that he's here.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, I forgot about that Ohio State game. I just
went back and looked at him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
That was that was a twenty point loss and for
his team to only put up sixty five points, so
it had a hurt that it was a twenty point loss.
But the fact that your offense wasn't offensing, I think
that may have been more of the reason then and
then again and playing in the historic place like Madison
Square Garden. But man, I forgot about that twenty point loss.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of had too. And I went
back and looked and thought, yeah, man, they never went
back and got read some of the recaps and they
were never in the game. It's just one of those
peg people that they were ready for Christmas. They were
ready for Santa Claus and not Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I agree, we're going to convert over into football, Larry Vaught,
So put your football hat on because you do know
this is a football state. And if you would like
to join the show to let us know what you
thought about the the branding deal with JM I, you
could call them, let us know what you think about it.
(29:44):
How do you think it's going to impact us. I
think we've got a pretty good understanding. I think Jack
Pigling was very instrumental and explaining some things that I
was really not clear on. As Larry Vaught said, there
are some things that we just have to wait and
see how it's going to break down. But we're going
to break down UK football a little bit more. Because
Larry Vault was not with us last week, we're gonna
try to see if maybe he's changed his mind. I'm
(30:07):
sure he's talked to some of the players, he's watched
some podcasts, he's you know, had a chance to go
to Maine and clear his mind. You'd like to join
the show eight five nine to eight zero two two
eight seven eight five nine to eight zero Cats. We
will be back after this year. Listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
the lead troop Boards Radio Network on six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vault and producer Both Robinson talking
UK sports, UK basketball when we converting over to UK
football now. Larry Vault was out last week and we
are what two weeks away from the first UK football
(30:59):
game against Alito here at Kroger Field. But a lot
of people seem to think that it's going to be
a tough game. There's quite a few people who think
that Toledo has an opportunity to win that game. I
do not think they do. Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim
gave us a five and seven record, which means he
(31:21):
thinks we're going to lose to Louisville and win two
SEC games, which he didn't do last year, and win
out of three out of conference games. But for whatever reason,
there are people sports writers who think Toledo's tough because
they want to beat Pitt in the Bowl game last
year that they could possibly upset Kentucky at home first
(31:44):
game of the season. But you know what, I know,
Larry vatte that this time last year, Kentucky was battling injuries.
There was a ton of injuries just making it through
spring and summer practices. But we don't have those We
don't have those injuries this year. We got a full squad,
(32:04):
We got a bunch of hungry new people. We don't
have people sitting out of practice.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But I.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Find it extremely disrespectful that people act like this Toledo
game is going to be one that we got to
look out for. And I don't just because Toledo are
those guys on scholarship. Those guys were great high school
players and they do have an opportunity to win the game.
Because I've been an underdog before, I don't think it's
fair to make someone believe that they're underdog and they
(32:34):
just live with that. I absolutely have no point, but
I do think that it's extremely disrespectful what Mark Steup's
has accomplished here and just the coaches in general, and
you know, the transfer portal, because the guys on the
squad now, Larry vaud are not the same guys who
went four and eight.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Last year, well Mark Steups said they had to worry
about Tale Done.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh I'm saying worry about them. I know that I
correctly what I said. I said, you have to worry
about them. But we we got a tough schedule coming
ahead of us. So if we feel like we're gonna
have to if we're not prepared to beat little I
mean prepared to beat Toledo the first game of the season,
then I think we are a long season. I'm not saying
(33:15):
you you should prepare. You don't overlook anybody this day
and age. But if we feel like we're going to
have a tough time, like we're not prepared or there's
there's some problems that are going to be manifest themselves
against Toledo, and we got Old miss the very next
week coming into town, I think we got bigger, bigger
fish to fry.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah. I think that's a very fair point, and I
think that's what a lot of people are just kind
of worrying about until you see, I mean, it is
a Toledo team that did pummel Mississippi State last year.
It's a Toledo team that outscored Pittsburgh in a bowl game.
It's a Toledo team that's picked to win the MAC
Conference or the Mid American Conference. Again, it's illegal team
(34:00):
that's got a lot of guys back, so I think again,
and there's a lot of still unknown on the Kentucky
team to most of us because we just haven't seen
a lot of them to really know what to think
and what not to think. And here kind of depends
on who I talk to about practice and what's going
(34:21):
on as to whether man, I can't wait to see
this or I'm a little worried about what we're going
to see. So for me, again, until I can see it,
I just can't believe it. I've got to see it
and have something to base us. I want to see
what happens the first two weeks, and then I think
we'll have a great idea of what the next ten
games will be like after what we see these first
(34:41):
two weeks.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
My question to you is as much football as you've watched,
even with me playing just for what thirty years ago?
As much football as you watched, how and you're an
intelligent guy.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You have a good football a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
You have a good sports in general because you've seen
a lot of foot football or a lot of sports,
you've seen ebbs and flows. But for you to even say, well,
I don't know what I'm going to see because of
what happened last year. We do both understand, hopefully we
both understand that last year that team did not compete.
We're not saying we didn't have the Jimmies and Joe's.
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That team did not compete well for two thirds of
the season. They didn't compete. Do you Now you're saying
we got a word. Now you're putting this back to
where we got to worry about the Toledos of the world.
I'm not saying we don't. I'm not saying Toledo didn't
overachieve last year or didn't achieve, did not have did
not experience a lot of success. You're saying you sound
(35:39):
as if our team you got more faith in Toledo
than you doing us, as if you haven't watched the
last eight years, like you only watched last year. You
have watched the last eight years of us not losing
out a conference. Now we're back to, you know, fighting
with a with MAC teams and mid mid mid major squads.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, I think for one that Toledo is better than
a lot of those other teams they've played out of
conference the last six seven years. I think that's one
big divers I think Toledo is just a better team
than they what they have normally played, and especially to
open the season, a better team than what they have
normally played. I mean, I don't think that's any secret.
I mean the Kentucky coaches have all said the same
(36:23):
thing there. I'm just saying that, I don't know. Yeah,
I hear all this stuff about culture, and I all
like that. I'm just saying that in my fifty some years,
when the main thing I hear a team talking about
is culture at this sometimes kind of worries me a
little bit because I want to hear them talk a
little bit more about somebody's really looking great. And I
(36:45):
know Stoops that said that's not what he's going to
do this year, And maybe they'll go nine and three
and I'll be sitting here for a month having to
tell you how wrong I was and you reminded me
of every week, and that could happen. But let me
just see two weeks and then I'll be able to
find reasons either be really optimistic or to say, oh man,
(37:06):
this is this is gonna be tough what they're going
to have to deal with the rest of this year.
But let me just see what's going to go on.
Let's see what's going to happen at quarterback. Let's see
this offensive line that all we're hearing so much about it.
Is it going to be as good as what we've heard.
Is the defense going to put those pieces together and
be as good as what we think it can be.
(37:28):
So I'm just saying, give me a little time to see,
because just because you say you've got good culture, and
you got good this and that, until you get on
the field, I don't in the game. I don't think
you ever really know, because I don't think at this
time last year most people were expecting midway through the
season to have as many guys just basically quit on
the team. It's what they did.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
And Larry Vaught, you questioned my defense again, and I
told you last year and the whole hold me down
for a second, what I told you how good our
defense was going to be. Take the South Carolina gain
out of it. For whatever reason, when I told you
how good our defense is going to be, those first
five games, they showed you what I They gave up
(38:09):
at some point, and they did have injuries coming into
the season. So I you said, you want to see
how good the defense. The defense was really good last year.
They were extremely good. The first five games of the season,
they were extremely good. But it was like I told you,
no more than two touchdowns from teams, and they were
(38:29):
outside of South Carolina, nobody got more than two touchdowns.
But now you're regressed back to they got to prove
and show you something. So I don't know, I'm trying
to get the fan base. I'm trying to what's that.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
They lost a lot of They lost a lot of
players off that defense.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
So Anthony, yeah, those yeah, but then those were the
same players that made us go four and eight. We're
glad to see them go. We still got the same
defensive court in their same defensive line.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Coach.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
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