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Speaker 1 (00:00):
At Ze five nine two eight oh Cats Welcome in
Stockyards Bank. Sunday Morning Sports talk on Anthony White along
with the usual suspects, Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim, coming
to you from Clark's Main Street Market studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky.
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Larry Vaught, Good morning, Good Sunday morning. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Do it fine? They had had a good week. Got
to go see The Fantastic four with my oldest grandson
this week. I got to do a couple of things
with my younger grandson. But the big news is I
caught the groundhog. Finally.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I saw that on social media. It looked like a
baby groundhog, though, so I felt like you were kind
of bully and that they ain't even look all that big.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, it stretched out, it's about four what it got
on all fours stretch is about four feet long. It's
a really and it was a tomato eater. And I
when it butched itself up, yeah, to crawl under something
or borrow under something. It didn't look a big but yeah,
he was a tomato eater. He got put the tomatoes away.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Let me tell you, so, what did you do with it?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
My friend Nathan Shepman, took him out somewhere and rereading
where there were.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No tomatoes, so you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, you know, my parents are from the Deep South,
like Alabama, Mississippi, like they are from down down there,
So most of my family are really Southern people which
lived in the country. My mom was raised up on
a farm. But I didn't realize until I was probably
a teenager in my early twenties at the people in
my family ate everything groundhog, raccoon, squirrel. So I just assumed,
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because I felt like I was raised up in Twinsburg Heights,
that I've assumed that Kentucky may have a little bit
of that country, and you all would just eat those things.
So no one was trying to eat it. Tim estus
tot eat it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No never.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Tim never thought of eating the raccoon, and Nathan never
thought of eating the ground Hugo.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That was.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That was never a conversation we had. I appreciate those
two helping me do my trapping.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Good deal, good deal, Uh Jack Pilgrim, how was it
going over there? You're still hanging in there? Were were
a week and half in the books.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
A little over a week, you know, a week week
in two days. So yeah, we're we're all right, We're
we're kicking, sleeping, all right. But it's it's hey, you're
a week old and you know, a toddler running around
keeping the chaos high.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So uh, it just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
But we're enjoying the chaos.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you know what I'm gonna do for you, or
you know what we're going to do for you as
a as a team here at Sunday Morning Sports Talk
because Larry Vaught was diligent in getting Chris Collin's our
co defensive coordinator, come on and the show with us
at ten o'clock. You know what we're gonna We're gonna
let you go back to bed at ten o'clock. I'm
gonna get you thirty I'm gonna get thirty minutes of rest.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
We are.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I ain't gonna say meat, we are if you.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If that's okay with you, and that you know sometimes
when you're at the stage, all you need is a
little thirty minutes. It's it's about it. It's about the
power and apps to keep you going. It's not about
you know, the extra hours, it's about the extra minutes
because you know, it's minutes. It's kind of all you
get at this stage. So we're we're hanging in there,
but I'll appreciate the thirty minutes before.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We get into talking about the allocation. We're gonna have Chris.
We're gonna have Chris all like I said at ten o'clock,
and we'll talk a little bit about the allocation of
our funding of our twenty pointy five million dollars. We
lie Familiar went down last week to Urbanly Drive, Blane
Drive Jack Pickham. Any surprise because I know we talked
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on the show before that and that team looked like
it was coming together, that it was gonna be tough
to beat. But they did lose seventy to seventy one
in the elam ending.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, it was a tough way to lose, and you
kind of saw the team's flaws. You saw them at
their best the game before, and you know, a couple
of games before, especially that opener winning by fifty and
this full court press and in the final minutes. I
mean that was just you know, that team steam roll
and at their absolute best. But you know, we've also
seen them at their worst where they're missing shots and
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kind of getting into that selfish kind of ISO heavy
all right, now it's your turn. Okay, now it's my turn.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, now it's their turn.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Where you're not getting the ball, you know, ball moving,
you're just kind of allowing the defense to you know,
focusing on one guy and you know, force one individual
stop instead of slowing down a team. And we really
saw that at its worst and the final game. And
you know, Everly Drive is a good team and and
you know they've they've won the event before, so they
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know how to how to do it. You know, it's
probably the next best level of competition that you you know,
left me was going to find in the entire event.
So just kind of bad timing and you just kind
of saw, you know, the worst traits come out at
the at the worst time, and it forced them to
go home. So hopefully they can regroup and come back
next season with you know, kind of that in mind,
knowing that they can get beat on any given night
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and you know, ad some talent here or there and
you know, kind of keep this train moving because I
really do enjoy that event.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And Larry Vought, uh, you know, we talked off the
air a little bit this week and just kind of
you know, a week in sports and things going on.
But uh, with the TBT, you know, as a lot of
older guys and uh, there's a younger guy here, younger
guy here there. But the biggest I think draw where
the older guys at Harrison, Twins at Archie and U
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de Ryan and Willie, but Larry vat free throws is
one thing our fan base always got got enamor with
and I felt like that was a reason. Didn't you
did you do you not think the older you get,
the less physical the game becomes more. The less the
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less athletic you are, that you don't rely on your
athleticism anymore. So knocking down free throws and just doing
fundamental things should be just something that you should do
if that is your profession. And uh just for you know,
to put together a team of these guys to shoot
the shop fairly poorly from three point I mean from
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a free throw line. Does that surprise you at all?
Or you just assume these guys are just old, they're
just out there just to have a little fun and
not really hone their skills.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, both the three point shooting and the and the
foul shooting surprise Maybe you should got odor you're shooting
might even get a little bit better, because, as you said,
maybe athleticism goes a little bit if it's just spend
more time just working on your shooting. With the free
throw line, I mean, now, you just were horrible. Just
hard to find any of the words to describe it.
They just were horrible. And of course, I mean Will
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he admitted he didn't they didn't have a basketball, he
had playing any bad working on anything. So I guess
the fact that he didn't make free throws didn't surprise you.
But but I mean, I think I think anything, we
could put you up here and you could still go.
I bet on you making seven out of ten, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Absolutely, you're saying that like I was, like I was
a slouch.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, I'm just saying I think he has been a
few years since, but I think if you worked on it,
you'd get out there and you'd be a seven out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Gap.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, I'm probably not gonna be able to dunk at
this age, and I'm using the word probably loosely, but
I'm definitely gonna knock down a open look or a
free throw. Definitely a free throw, but beyond the arc.
Maybe maybe not. I got forty or fifty of hitting
one from behind the arc, but I'm definitely getting seven
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out of ten from the free tro line.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We made to put you on the TV t next year.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know what, I wonder if TBT shouldn't open it
up to some guys, some football players that could have went,
you know, that played both sports. I mean, Josh Allen's
not available, Josh Allen Hines is not available. But that
was his that was his sport. Didn't uh good one?
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Deontay No?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Not that?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The offensive lineman that transferred to Florida that was from Indiana,
Kiante Cante good one?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Did he not?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Didn't play back? Was he a basketball standout as well?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't remember that, so I'm not saying he's not.
I just don't remember anything about him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
In basketball and act. Did you think with Larry Vaught,
the conversation Larry Vaughn and I would have it or
we have it, the free throws and some of the
fundamental things that made Lot Familia go down. Do you
think those were shocking to you or you kind of
figured that may or could possibly be the downfall of
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that team.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think the downfall was the sniper at the top
of the roof that got Willie's achilles there at the end.
That was just the darnedest thing. He just goes down,
looks totally okay, and then man, this out of the
blue pops down and blows the achilles and then magically
walks off the floor afterward. That was a crazy finish
that led to you know, Archie at the line to
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go one for two unfortunately, but yeah, that was I
don't know how you can be a professional basketball player
and play as long as these guys have and mis
free throws at the rate that they did, and you know,
the timeliness, it's just, you know, it just goes to
show that it's such a mental game where you could
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be the best of the best at your craft, and
you know, even you know, the pressure can get to
you know, can get to anybody. You'd like to think
that you're immune from that once you get a certain
point of your career and you know, you don't really
kind of get the the hedgb to the line. But man,
if you watched Archie Goodwin, bless his heart like he
gave its all, and I love how supportive he was
and saying hey, I'm back. I hated the way this
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thing ends. I'm going to be running it back next year.
But like I mean, you can see him like shaking
at the line there at the very end, and you know,
getting his release off took ten fifteen seconds per shot.
So it's just kind of crazy how life works and
how you know, nobody is immune from that high, high
pressure situation, and you know, unfortunately got the best of
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us and sent us home.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And I feel sorry for you before we go to break, Jack,
I feel sorry for you because you're a Celtics fan
and when you see when your star players go down
with Achilles, you kind of got to slap your forehead
and say, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But for us with La Familiar, it was a very
very obviously clear fake injury that the assistant couldn't even
like try hiding on the bench telling him to go down,
like it's you know, a football assistant telling their star
receiver to go down to you know, I had to,
you know, get get that little injury injury time out
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clock to stop during a break into the old miss
fake injury bug. Just just it was weird to see
that in real time, and at first, what was funny is.
At first, the ref was going he ain't injured, he
ain't injured, and I was like, well, how can how
could he know that? I mean, is there is the
ref a doctor that he couldn't possibly know if our
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guy is injured or not. And then you watch your
replay and go, oh, yeah, he's definitely faking that funny
turn of events. But unfortunately I probably would have trusted
Willie the line more than then Archie at that certain point,
just knowing what we knew about Archie. But you know,
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, we wish la familiar better look next season. Larry Vaught,
Jack Pilgrim when we come back. I'm interested. I know
Larry Vot's going to defer to me, but I am
interested in the hiring of an assistant offensive line coach.
Not saying that the idea is bad. I think it
is good. I've never heard. I mean, we have other
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assistants at other positions, but this making news. I'm interested
to see what you guys think. We will continue this
conversation when we come back. You were listening to Stockyards
Bank Sunday morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
This is the home of the Wildcats six thirty WLAP Welcome.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
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new assistant offensive line coach, which means we have this
conversation a little while ago, a couple of years back
when we hired and assisted at. I can't remember what
position was when we hired and insistent and you asked me,
I think it's kind of the whole people accountable. I'm
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not certain that Greg Fry is going to be holding
Woolford accountable. I'm not certain that's needing. But it is
an interesting hire. Well, no, it's not an interesting higher.
It's because we've had we have assistants at different positions,
so that's not interesting at all. But the fact that
his newsworthy is when you and I and Jack has
discussed it. There's not a whole lot of news going
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on with our football program. That is it actually newsworthy
to you, Larry Va Is this something worth writing about? Or
and why is it on the front line? But Mark
Stoops may be saying, look, we are addressing our offensive line.
It's kind of what I take from it, But I'm
just kind of curious as to your take.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I really didn't know what to make of it, Anthony,
because you said there's quality control, assistance, there's assistance a
different other and other positions on the team. So I
really didn't know whether it was a big deal not
a big deal. I guess the more people you have
helping somebody, the better. There's probably what twice as many
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coaches on a coaching staff now is when you played,
would you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Say twice maybe a low number, but yes, it's definitely
a start. It's definitely a start.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Okay, Yeah, So I mean I don't really know. I mean,
it didn't really make me jump up it down and say, wow,
I can't wait to this season. Now I've got an
assistant offensive line coach, and I will really make a
difference because I kind of thought that probably the guy
that's coaching the offensive line, he's probably setting what he does.
I don't know how much of the assistant can helping pus.
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Didn't they already have like a quality control person or
something that always helped with the offensive line anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, Drake was. There's been quite a few former players
has come back and went to school and kind of
helped out. I ain't sure if Wolford is Eric's going
to be the kind of guy that listened. That's what
kind of makes me raise my antennas. But it's usually
been a to me if I feel like it's quality
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control or grad assistant has usually been someone who's played
at the university and you know, kind of familiar with
the system and kind of familiar with the coaching staff.
But to go outside and hire. Maybe Vince has freed
up the pocketbook a little bit where we can, you know,
do some exotic things, or do some different things, or
address some some places since releasing what one point three
one point four million dollars from from your budget. Maybe
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that might be the reason. But like I said, I
just kind of wonder why it's it's newsworthy and we
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good morning, Mark, what do you got for us, gentlemen?
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Good morning? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I got three questions for you. One first, of hope
for these this football season? I mean, just what position?
What team do we have that can that our first
string can beat somebody else's first sat CC first dring
number Two? What is our record for the year? And
the last question is is who's the coach going into
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the next year. I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna listen.
Thank you very much for your time, guys, Goalley.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Mark just jumped in and h let me get I'm
gonna get We're gonna get to that Mark. Let me
get Jack's thoughts really quickly. Before we do address those
three questions. What's the hope for the football team, What
games on the schedule that we see are winnable for us?
What is over our record next year? And who do
we think the coach is going to be. I don't
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think that's a tough The last one was not a
tough question. But before we did get Mark on, we're
going to get to you a question Mark Jack Quilgrim,
what was what was your take on you know, hiring
offense office and assistant coach and coach Fry.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, I don't mind it. I you know, usually we've
seen that position filled by you know, former players or
you know kind of the quality controls getting assistants getting
promoted to kind of co you know, co position coaches
or whatever. So you know, thirty years of coaching experience
has known Stoops forever. You know, really solid resume for
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what the role is supposed to be. Alongside Eric Wolford,
so you know, well kind of what we've talked about
the last several weeks and I mean basically since the
end of the last last season that we're kind of
in the show me don't tell me stage where you know,
is this going to be and needle moving, you know,
difference making type of decision for for Stoops with this
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one position changed, not necessarily, but you know that a
step in the right direction maybe to add and you
know new voices, veteran led voices that you know can
contribute to a position group that needed a massive boost,
but also one that you know we've heard plenty of
positive rumblings about being pretty solid this upcoming season. So
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all good things kind of coming together, maybe all a
ton of small, little kind of uh nuggets here and
there leading to you know, maybe a bigger overall positive product,
but you know, not necessarily a needle mover, but a
positive step nonetheless.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Larry Vaught, Jack Pilgrim, anyone else listening if you would
like to answer Marx questions, because we have to hit
a break we come back. We're going to address these,
Larry Vault and Jack Pilgram with uh, what the schedule
looks like next year? Where you find it's so hopeful victories?
Where do you find the total record of UK football
next year? And who the coach to be next year.
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Speaker 5 (19:13):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White,
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country Boy brewing. Before we went to break, Mark asked
a couple questions, Jack and Larry. What are some hopeful
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games on the schedule. What do we think the record
for UK football will be next year? Who the coach
will be next year? I will start off before Larry
Vault defers to me, so you don't have an opportunity
to defer to me, Larry Vault, So put your thinking
cap on the coach next year. Following next year will
be Mark Stoops. The year after that will be up
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for discussion. So I understand where you were asking that. Mark.
It's fine, but I don't think Mark. I think Mark Steups.
I know people may have been mad at the cal
contract and some of the things that Mitch Barnhard has
done is retention for some of the coaches, But Mark
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Steups has after having one bad season, after turning this
program around. I don't think it's fair for our fan
base to call for his job or anything. Maybe some
of his money back, I can if he could pull
a harbor Jim Harbaugh. Finally you take some of that
money back, give him eight million instead of ten, not
almost ten. But what he've done for this university, I
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mean you can't. You can't turn your nose up at
I'm sure a lot of people will, but no, you
can't be calling for his job, not just yet. Now
he give us another, He give us another two or three,
four and fours too inten another to intent. Yeah, that's
some of the money back or his job rating resignation.
But I don't think I'm still at this point, Larry Vaud.
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I'm being a little bit convinced, and I don't know why.
I'm being convinced that we probably can win five games,
and I think our sweet spot at six wins. Everyone
keeps convincing me. I don't know how much Old Miss lost.
I just never count Lane kiffing out because he'll get
into a scoring battle with you. And I think if
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we're relying on our defense to stop Lane kiffing more
than I'm expecting our offense to put points on the board,
I think the edge is to Lane. But a lot
of sports writers are giving us. They're starting to turn
the edge a little bit where they think that we
can beat Old miss We beat them at their cribs,
so I think people are thinking we can beat them
here Old missus game. I think we can get I'm
not sold on South Carolina yet, although the national pundits
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are Vanderbilt is a game. So the four out of
conference games, which Louis will be a toss. A lot
of people have us beating Old Miss, which I find
kind of crazy, but only because Lane Kiffin is there.
They have lost a lot of power on their team.
But so I say three out of conference games Louis
is a flip, Louisville Vanderbilt, Old Miss. That'll give us
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five and seven. And that's where I can find five
answer marks question.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Arburn.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The hype is on them. And one thing I'm being
becoming more convinced about after talking to you, talking to
some of the coaches, and you know, doing the podcast
of Van Howes, is why does the other teams get
benefit of the doubt? Why is Auburn supposed to be
better than us? Why is it the Old Miss team
that we beat last year? Why do they get the
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benefit that they're gonna come back this year and beat
us because we beat them last year? So I probably
could find that win with Auburn. And why not get
Larry Vau while we're at it. Why not give us
the benefit of the doubt that we've We've owned Florida
for the past couple of years. Why not get back
on that winning streak. So I can find six. I
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don't know if I'm gonna put any money on it,
but I can find six. But if just for sake
of a radio, if I had to put money down,
I would say four and eight. But if I need
an optimistic view, I would say six and six. But
I can see five and seven. I be I could
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be convinced of five and seven. So though it is
are hopeful games, that's my record and that's my thoughts
on coaching. Larry Watt, your thoughts on games that you
think we can win with our starting lineups, the record
for the team, who do you think the coach is
gonna be next year? Aftly following next year?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, I think it'll be stoopid because I don't think
I can't see Mitch Barrhard eating nine and a half
million dollars in this economic climate right now, no matter
what would happen this year. So I would agree with
you on that. I think our color mark also ask
what was the one position that UK would be better
than have a better position group than anybody that Kentucky
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was going to play this year, And I don't know
if there is that one position group that I would
say Kentucky's so strong at this position that they'll be
better at that spot than anybody they're going to line
up against. I don't know what you got one position
that's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think either running back or received, I mean running
back or safety.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You think, or better than anybody else in the SEC?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I thought you meant. I thought the question was again,
when we line up against them, you're talking about the
top position group in the conference. That's a different story,
But I thought it was more of when we line
up against another team, which position groups what we have
advantage on certain games? Now, if you're talking about the
top an SEC, that's tough to do in any position.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, I think that's just what he was. I thought
that's what he was asking, which position group is Kentucky
handled just be better than whoever they're going to play
against game in and game out. I just didn't know
if they had one that would do that. So, but
in the running back room still, I think we've got
to see it to believe it, or I do anyway,
But so that's the hard one there for me. Record wise,
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I don't know. I mean, I think I'm still think
I got to see it to believe it. In all
those games you talk about, it'd be nice, I think
Kentucky could win. But all those teams except for miss
did beat Kentucky last year and beat them in beat
them in Lexington. So that's a little concern for me.
And you've got a roster turnover with what almost fifty
five new players on it, So I just don't know
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how you evaluate it and make anything. I mean, I
think if you want to be optimistic, you say six
and six. If you got to be pessimistic, you say
three and nine. And I'm just waiting to see where
it falls in between there. But I think the good
thing about it is we're gonna know real quick because
I think after two weeks into the season, we're gonna
have a real good idea and whether you're looking at
a three and nine team or possible sixty so you.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Don't think there's an SEC team that you're not leaning on.
Any SEC team you think we can get. Lane Kiffin
has you scared?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think after you only win one SEC team last year,
every CC team has has you scared? When you and
you've had that kind of roster turnover, and we just
don't know what's gonna progress. Mean, maybe Zach Calsana is
gonna be the best quarterback in the SEC. I don't know.
I've gotta seem to know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Huh. That is interesting, And that is where I think
some of the writers and people I've talked to are
that you're not giving Kentucky any any credit for beating
the Old miss and Oxford. But now all of a
sudden they're coming to Lexington and they haven't They lost
just like they lost people, just like we lost people,
and you still not giving us the benefit of the doubt,
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Larry Vott, I haven't seen this negative side of you.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They went four and eight last year.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But they so we can't even get credit for beating
the team that we beat last year that lost more
power than we lost.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well if you, if you did that, they only eat
four teams last year, will give me.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I just want you to give us credit for the
team we did beating the conference.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's what I said. I could see Kentucky going anywhere
from three three wins to six wins.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Maybe Jack Pilgrim helped me out. Man Larry Vaudas ain't
doing me any service Jack Pilgrim. Mark asked, what is
the record you see UK having next year? Who's the
coach after next year? And uh what what games on
the schedule? And I guess I did skim over position
group that we may be superior in the Matchupskay.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You're not going to get me agreeing with you on
this one, Anthony, I'm sorry. I think I think Larry
nailed it. Yeah, I just have a hard time buying
into anything that happened last year because again, it's like
Larry said's fifty five new players. It's a whole different ballgame,
whole different roster that what happened last year that was,
as we can all kind of agree, was a total
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anomaly where Lane Kiffin was just be subtled at the
podium after the game, going, hey, trip, tip your cap
to Mark Steus because he did the most.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
A minute hold on, hold on. So was so Kreby
Smart was as well after narrowly escaping. So Kirby Smart
was dumbfound as well. Yeah, So it was enom so
though two greatest, two of the greatest coaches in college
football to the best coach they were, they were befuddled
because they had a tough game or lost to us.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, but it was a learning experience where we lost
as a result of sticking to the script against Georgia,
and we won as a result of going against the
grain and doing something that Mark Stukes hasn't done in
a decade of knowing him. It's just it was just
a total like all right, yeah, cool, good, go for
it and and win that football game in a way
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that we've never seen him do before. Is out of
character for him, and to it to his credit, those
guts got him the only win in the SEC schedule.
I mean, yes, he deserves a lot of credit for it,
but old myths views that in a ten win season
as the difference of a disappointment of a season. We
look at that is literally the only bright spot of
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our season. So I just I can't use that as
a measuring stick of well, why if we were able
to do that last year? Why can't because there was
such a greater sample size of failure last season versus
the one microscopic anomaly that happened when things finally win
our way. Like, I just I have a hard time
buying that, And I do think we could look at
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this schedule this year in a similar way where we
and I just remember this time last offseason, every week
talking about that South Carolina game. I know that South
Carolina game is going to kind of be, you know,
the turning point, you know, kind of set the tone
of the season. You got to take care of business
against Southern myths, and then once we get to South
Carolina in week two, you know that it's really going
to decide, you know, kind of just set the tone
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of what the you know, what the season is going
to be, set the foundation of what it's going to be.
And then you lose thirty one to six, and then
you kind of just everything you thought and hoped and
expected of that group, it was all thrown out the window.
And then yes, they came back and fought hard against
George of the following week, but still lost. And then
the week after whatever against Ohio, you know nothing, feel
like you're making that comeback that you desperately needed against
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Ole Miss, and then you crap the bed against against Vanderbilt,
and then after that the wheels fell off. So this season,
you know, when you have an old Miss that is
going to come in Hungary where lang Kiffin felt embarrassed
about how that game unfolded. Yes, I do think that
they are going to have more to play for and
kind of prove that, hey, we're not going to be
you know, Kentucky's little brother, That's not how we operate
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down in Oxford. I think he's going to come in
wanting to make a statement in that game. I'm cofided.
I'm thinking that's a loss and not really losing any
sleep about thinking that that that's a lot. I think
the season really starts for us in again, South Carolina
September twenty seven, and I think the rest of the
season is going to kind of decide based on that game.
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If they hang in there and they somehow, you know,
pull that one out. I do think, you know, you
start off three and one in the year that everybody
thought you could win three games, and maybe you kind
of get that locker room morale up and you kind
of get that confidence going that hey, maybe maybe we
can prove the doubters wrong. Maybe we can you know,
be a team that nobody thought we could be, and
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then you could, you know, compete hard against Georgia seed.
But what happens against Texas that that's a just a
gauntlet of a stretch. You almost kind of view that
South Carolina game as a must win before kind of
regrouping again against Auburn, Florida, Tennessee Tech, and Vanderbilt, and
then we'll see what happening happens against Louisville. But it's
just it's such a hard schedule, Anthony, that I really
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don't even think that, you know, six wins. Where do
you find those six wins? What would be a best
case in there to get those six wins? I think
I'm going five as of right now, and I'm still
even like almost leaning more pessimistic than that. I think
five on a good day is how I'm you know,
a month away from the de season, That's how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm gonna stop having this conversation with the two of you.
So Lane Kiffin, lane Kiff is gonna be angry at
the season that they lost those last year. They're gonna
come up here and smack us around. So we he
Mark Stoop's tail, An War and the rest of the crew,
Brad and those guys don't even show up because Lane
Kiff is mad. The Rebels they're gonna come here. They're
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upset that they lost to us last year. We don't
stay in the chest. Let's not even just show up,
Larry Va, Larry Vau, we gotta get the break. But
Larry vaugh have you have you ever been in the
tug of war contest.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
A few times as a child.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'm sure most of us have. So when you're in
the tug of war, when you got the big guys,
some people put the big guys in front of some
people the big guys in the back. If one of
those big guys slips, they lose their footage, then the
rope starts to go to the other direction. You have
talked to a lot of people. You've done a lot
of reports recently that a lot of people have been saying, yeah,
at some point last week and last year, they gave up.
So Lane Kiffin is mad because we beat them. Kirby
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Smart kind of feels like, you know what, they escaped here,
but yet coming in this season, Mark stoops, let's we
better beware because people see us as a doormat. Because
but you have had people tell you last year some
guys just flat out gave up. Now if they give
up again, somebody needs to be slapped in the face.
Mark Student needs to look itself in the mirror. I'm saying,
you guys are acting like our guy just shouldn't show
up because everybody old missus mad because we beat them,
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and those other eleven games that we played, or the
other eight games that we lost, everybody or not winning, yeah,
eight games that we lost, everybody else should feel like,
oh yeah, we're gonna do that again. We just shouldn't
show up. We will continue this conversation after this year.
Listen Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News Radio
six thirty WLAP. This is the home of the Wild
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Gouts six thirty WLAP. Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning
Sports Talk on Anthony along with the Negative Larry Vaught
and Jack Pilgrim. Larry Vaught, for we went to break,
I was what I was kind of explaining some things
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to you, and I ran out of time because I
still got more choice words for you. But we got
Chris Collins coming on ten o'clock. I'm gonna save some
of those words, and I know Jack is going to
be out of here in a little while, but I
will tell you I am getting a bit offended by
you guys acting as if last year means last year
was the first year we regressed as much as we did,
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and you guys are acting like that's us if we
out of the time that Mark Stoops has been here
with twelve years and we've had one bad season. The
first two were building seasons. The first two or three
years were building seasons, and we've had one bad season
since the rebuild, and now all of a sudden, that's
our identity, which is not fair to Mark Stoops. That's
not fair to the program. That's not fair to the
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players that are suiting up every week. But I want
to ask you, I'm gona ask you this one question,
Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim. Do you think we are
Do you think we are better this year at quarterback
or not than last year?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I'll answer that, I'll answer that there's no way for
anybody to know, there is no possible way for us
at this stage without seeing it with our own two eyes,
whether Zach cales Ota is better than than Brock Vandergriff
based on I mean, you can look at old film.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You can no was Brock? Was Brock win worthy last year?
Was he win worthy in most of the games?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Did we know if Zach card I'm not asked you
that were were if he did not play up, If
if Brock did not live up to the expectation, then
we can't say you're right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We can't say we're gonna be better or worse. But
Brock obviously didn't live up to what we expected, and
that's why we kind of won. Foreignight, the guy gave
up football. So I'm just telling you, if you can
emphatically tell me that that, you can convince me. But
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Expectations were un really reasonably high this time last year
for Brockmanner Griff, thinking that he was going to live
up to the five star hype. Zach Klesada's expectations are
probably unfairly low for him, where fans are just hoping
that he is a competent, living, breathing football player who
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can run an offense. Like I that's where the fan
base expectation and optimism is, like, hey, we just want
a guy that won't quit and retire from the sport
entirely at the end of the season. Like that's that
is how low things are. So yes, if you were
going to ask me right now, who is a better quarterback,
Zach Klezata or Rock Vander Group yeah, are from expectations
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to reality. Last season couldn't have been things couldn't have
gone worse. Expectations are so low right now with Calzada
that even if he's competent, even if he's just slightly
below average, we will see that as a as a
massive upgrade. And yes, you can do a lot more
things with you have a slight upgrade at that position.
That doesn't make him, you know, best quarterback in the
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SEC or in the running for being something more than
you know, we just gotta call it what it is
until we see it otherwise, and until then it's a
maybe a higher floor ish team with you know, probably
really limited upside that you know, we're we're we're shooting
for the stars at six wins, and I don't think
anything beyond that, whether quarterback play is excellent or terrible,
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it's gonna, you know, change that what from nine, ten,
eleven wins, whatever your biggest dreams are.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Larry Vall, I'm gonna make sure and jacksons you off
the hook now. So we we just gonna let let
that be for you. But when we have Chris Collins
on here, I'm gonna make sure that we tell Chris
Collins with Larry Vaalf thinks this quarterback because the quarterback
is who his defense, his cornerbacks go against every day,
and that's kind of their barameter. How they, you know,
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gauge how good they're doing. When we come back. We
have cornerbacks Coch Cole defensive coordinator Chris Collins own we'll
be back after this. Your Listen to stock Yards Bank
Sunday morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP
At Ze five nine two eight oh Cats Welcome in
Stockyards Bank. Sunday Morning Sports talk on Anthony White along
with the usual suspects, Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim, coming
to you from Clark's Main Street Market studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky.
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Larry Vaught, Good morning, Good Sunday morning. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Do it fine? They had had a good week. Got
to go see The Fantastic four with my oldest grandson
this week. I got to do a couple of things
with my younger grandson. But the big news is I
caught the groundhog. Finally.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I saw that on social media. It looked like a
baby groundhog, though, so I felt like you were kind
of bully and that they ain't even look all that big.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, it stretched out, it's about four what it got
on all fours stretch is about four feet long. It's
a really and it was a tomato eater. And I
when it butched itself up, yeah, to crawl under something
or borrow under something. It didn't look a big but yeah,
he was a tomato eater. He got put the tomatoes away.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Let me tell you, so, what did you do with it?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
My friend Nathan Shepman, took him out somewhere and rereading
where there were.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
No tomatoes, so you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, you know, my parents are from the Deep South,
like Alabama, Mississippi, like they are from down down there,
So most of my family are really Southern people which
lived in the country. My mom was raised up on
a farm. But I didn't realize until I was probably
a teenager in my early twenties at the people in
my family ate everything groundhog, raccoon, squirrel. So I just assumed,
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because I felt like I was raised up in Twinsburg Heights,
that I've assumed that Kentucky may have a little bit
of that country, and you all would just eat those things.
So no one was trying to eat it. Tim estus
tot eat it.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No never.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Tim never thought of eating the raccoon, and Nathan never
thought of eating the ground Hugo.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That was.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That was never a conversation we had. I appreciate those
two helping me do my trapping.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Good deal, good deal, Uh Jack Pilgrim, how was it
going over there? You're still hanging in there? Were were
a week and half in the books.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
A little over a week, you know, a week week
in two days. So yeah, we're we're all right, We're
we're kicking, sleeping, all right. But it's it's hey, you're
a week old and you know, a toddler running around
keeping the chaos high.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So uh, it just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
But we're enjoying the chaos.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you know what I'm gonna do for you, or
you know what we're going to do for you as
a as a team here at Sunday Morning Sports Talk
because Larry Vaught was diligent in getting Chris Collin's our
co defensive coordinator, come on and the show with us
at ten o'clock. You know what we're gonna We're gonna
let you go back to bed at ten o'clock. I'm
gonna get you thirty I'm gonna get thirty minutes of rest.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
We are.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I ain't gonna say meat, we are if you.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
If that's okay with you, and that you know sometimes
when you're at the stage, all you need is a
little thirty minutes. It's it's about it. It's about the
power and apps to keep you going. It's not about
you know, the extra hours, it's about the extra minutes
because you know, it's minutes. It's kind of all you
get at this stage. So we're we're hanging in there,
but I'll appreciate the thirty minutes before.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
We get into talking about the allocation. We're gonna have Chris.
We're gonna have Chris all like I said at ten o'clock,
and we'll talk a little bit about the allocation of
our funding of our twenty pointy five million dollars. We
lie Familiar went down last week to Urbanly Drive, Blane
Drive Jack Pickham. Any surprise because I know we talked
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on the show before that and that team looked like
it was coming together, that it was gonna be tough
to beat. But they did lose seventy to seventy one
in the elam ending.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, it was a tough way to lose, and you
kind of saw the team's flaws. You saw them at
their best the game before, and you know, a couple
of games before, especially that opener winning by fifty and
this full court press and in the final minutes. I
mean that was just you know, that team steam roll
and at their absolute best. But you know, we've also
seen them at their worst where they're missing shots and
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kind of getting into that selfish kind of ISO heavy
all right, now it's your turn. Okay, now it's my turn.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, now it's their turn.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Where you're not getting the ball, you know, ball moving,
you're just kind of allowing the defense to you know,
focusing on one guy and you know, force one individual
stop instead of slowing down a team. And we really
saw that at its worst and the final game. And
you know, Everly Drive is a good team and and
you know they've they've won the event before, so they
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know how to how to do it. You know, it's
probably the next best level of competition that you you know,
left me was going to find in the entire event.
So just kind of bad timing and you just kind
of saw, you know, the worst traits come out at
the at the worst time, and it forced them to
go home. So hopefully they can regroup and come back
next season with you know, kind of that in mind,
knowing that they can get beat on any given night
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and you know, ad some talent here or there and
you know, kind of keep this train moving because I
really do enjoy that event.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And Larry Vought, uh, you know, we talked off the
air a little bit this week and just kind of
you know, a week in sports and things going on.
But uh, with the TBT, you know, as a lot of
older guys and uh, there's a younger guy here, younger
guy here there. But the biggest I think draw where
the older guys at Harrison, Twins at Archie and U
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de Ryan and Willie, but Larry vat free throws is
one thing our fan base always got got enamor with
and I felt like that was a reason. Didn't you
did you do you not think the older you get,
the less physical the game becomes more. The less the
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less athletic you are, that you don't rely on your
athleticism anymore. So knocking down free throws and just doing
fundamental things should be just something that you should do
if that is your profession. And uh just for you know,
to put together a team of these guys to shoot
the shop fairly poorly from three point I mean from
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a free throw line. Does that surprise you at all?
Or you just assume these guys are just old, they're
just out there just to have a little fun and
not really hone their skills.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, both the three point shooting and the and the
foul shooting surprise Maybe you should got odor you're shooting
might even get a little bit better, because, as you said,
maybe athleticism goes a little bit if it's just spend
more time just working on your shooting. With the free
throw line, I mean, now, you just were horrible. Just
hard to find any of the words to describe it.
They just were horrible. And of course, I mean Will
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he admitted he didn't they didn't have a basketball, he
had playing any bad working on anything. So I guess
the fact that he didn't make free throws didn't surprise you.
But but I mean, I think I think anything, we
could put you up here and you could still go.
I bet on you making seven out of ten, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Absolutely, you're saying that like I was, like I was
a slouch.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, I'm just saying I think he has been a
few years since, but I think if you worked on it,
you'd get out there and you'd be a seven out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Gap.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, I'm probably not gonna be able to dunk at
this age, and I'm using the word probably loosely, but
I'm definitely gonna knock down a open look or a
free throw. Definitely a free throw, but beyond the arc.
Maybe maybe not. I got forty or fifty of hitting
one from behind the arc, but I'm definitely getting seven
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out of ten from the free tro line.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We made to put you on the TV t next year.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know what, I wonder if TBT shouldn't open it
up to some guys, some football players that could have went,
you know, that played both sports. I mean, Josh Allen's
not available, Josh Allen Hines is not available. But that
was his that was his sport. Didn't uh good one?
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Deontay No?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Not that?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The offensive lineman that transferred to Florida that was from Indiana,
Kiante Cante good one?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Did he not?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Didn't play back? Was he a basketball standout as well?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't remember that, so I'm not saying he's not.
I just don't remember anything about him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
In basketball and act. Did you think with Larry Vaught,
the conversation Larry Vaughn and I would have it or
we have it, the free throws and some of the
fundamental things that made Lot Familia go down. Do you
think those were shocking to you or you kind of
figured that may or could possibly be the downfall of
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that team.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think the downfall was the sniper at the top
of the roof that got Willie's achilles there at the end.
That was just the darnedest thing. He just goes down,
looks totally okay, and then man, this out of the
blue pops down and blows the achilles and then magically
walks off the floor afterward. That was a crazy finish
that led to you know, Archie at the line to
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go one for two unfortunately, but yeah, that was I
don't know how you can be a professional basketball player
and play as long as these guys have and mis
free throws at the rate that they did, and you know,
the timeliness, it's just, you know, it just goes to
show that it's such a mental game where you could
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be the best of the best at your craft, and
you know, even you know, the pressure can get to
you know, can get to anybody. You'd like to think
that you're immune from that once you get a certain
point of your career and you know, you don't really
kind of get the the hedgb to the line. But man,
if you watched Archie Goodwin, bless his heart like he
gave its all, and I love how supportive he was
and saying hey, I'm back. I hated the way this
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thing ends. I'm going to be running it back next year.
But like I mean, you can see him like shaking
at the line there at the very end, and you know,
getting his release off took ten fifteen seconds per shot.
So it's just kind of crazy how life works and
how you know, nobody is immune from that high, high
pressure situation, and you know, unfortunately got the best of
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us and sent us home.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And I feel sorry for you before we go to break, Jack,
I feel sorry for you because you're a Celtics fan
and when you see when your star players go down
with Achilles, you kind of got to slap your forehead
and say, here we go again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
But for us with La Familiar, it was a very
very obviously clear fake injury that the assistant couldn't even
like try hiding on the bench telling him to go down,
like it's you know, a football assistant telling their star
receiver to go down to you know, I had to,
you know, get get that little injury injury time out
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clock to stop during a break into the old miss
fake injury bug. Just just it was weird to see
that in real time, and at first, what was funny is.
At first, the ref was going he ain't injured, he
ain't injured, and I was like, well, how can how
could he know that? I mean, is there is the
ref a doctor that he couldn't possibly know if our
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guy is injured or not. And then you watch your
replay and go, oh, yeah, he's definitely faking that funny
turn of events. But unfortunately I probably would have trusted
Willie the line more than then Archie at that certain point,
just knowing what we knew about Archie. But you know,
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well, we wish la familiar better look next season. Larry Vaught,
Jack Pilgrim when we come back. I'm interested. I know
Larry Vot's going to defer to me, but I am
interested in the hiring of an assistant offensive line coach.
Not saying that the idea is bad. I think it
is good. I've never heard. I mean, we have other
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assistants at other positions, but this making news. I'm interested
to see what you guys think. We will continue this
conversation when we come back. You were listening to Stockyards
Bank Sunday morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
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new assistant offensive line coach, which means we have this
conversation a little while ago, a couple of years back
when we hired and assisted at. I can't remember what
position was when we hired and insistent and you asked me,
I think it's kind of the whole people accountable. I'm
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not certain that Greg Fry is going to be holding
Woolford accountable. I'm not certain that's needing. But it is
an interesting hire. Well, no, it's not an interesting higher.
It's because we've had we have assistants at different positions,
so that's not interesting at all. But the fact that
his newsworthy is when you and I and Jack has
discussed it. There's not a whole lot of news going
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on with our football program. That is it actually newsworthy
to you, Larry Va Is this something worth writing about? Or
and why is it on the front line? But Mark
Stoops may be saying, look, we are addressing our offensive line.
It's kind of what I take from it, But I'm
just kind of curious as to your take.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, I really didn't know what to make of it, Anthony,
because you said there's quality control, assistance, there's assistance a
different other and other positions on the team. So I
really didn't know whether it was a big deal not
a big deal. I guess the more people you have
helping somebody, the better. There's probably what twice as many
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coaches on a coaching staff now is when you played,
would you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Say twice maybe a low number, but yes, it's definitely
a start. It's definitely a start.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Okay, Yeah, So I mean I don't really know. I mean,
it didn't really make me jump up it down and say, wow,
I can't wait to this season. Now I've got an
assistant offensive line coach, and I will really make a
difference because I kind of thought that probably the guy
that's coaching the offensive line, he's probably setting what he does.
I don't know how much of the assistant can helping pus.
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Didn't they already have like a quality control person or
something that always helped with the offensive line anyway.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, Drake was. There's been quite a few former players
has come back and went to school and kind of
helped out. I ain't sure if Wolford is Eric's going
to be the kind of guy that listened. That's what
kind of makes me raise my antennas. But it's usually
been a to me if I feel like it's quality
(15:29):
control or grad assistant has usually been someone who's played
at the university and you know, kind of familiar with
the system and kind of familiar with the coaching staff.
But to go outside and hire. Maybe Vince has freed
up the pocketbook a little bit where we can, you know,
do some exotic things, or do some different things, or
address some some places since releasing what one point three
one point four million dollars from from your budget. Maybe
(15:52):
that might be the reason. But like I said, I
just kind of wonder why it's it's newsworthy and we
will We're gonna continue that. But the biggest hotline is
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good morning, Mark, what do you got for us, gentlemen?
(16:14):
Good morning? What do you got?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I got three questions for you. One first, of hope
for these this football season? I mean, just what position?
What team do we have that can that our first
string can beat somebody else's first sat CC first dring
number Two? What is our record for the year? And
the last question is is who's the coach going into
(16:37):
the next year. I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna listen.
Thank you very much for your time, guys, Goalley.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Mark just jumped in and h let me get I'm
gonna get We're gonna get to that Mark. Let me
get Jack's thoughts really quickly. Before we do address those
three questions. What's the hope for the football team, What
games on the schedule that we see are winnable for us?
What is over our record next year? And who do
we think the coach is going to be. I don't
(17:03):
think that's a tough The last one was not a
tough question. But before we did get Mark on, we're
going to get to you a question Mark Jack Quilgrim,
what was what was your take on you know, hiring
offense office and assistant coach and coach Fry.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, I don't mind it. I you know, usually we've
seen that position filled by you know, former players or
you know kind of the quality controls getting assistants getting
promoted to kind of co you know, co position coaches
or whatever. So you know, thirty years of coaching experience
has known Stoops forever. You know, really solid resume for
(17:44):
what the role is supposed to be. Alongside Eric Wolford,
so you know, well kind of what we've talked about
the last several weeks and I mean basically since the
end of the last last season that we're kind of
in the show me don't tell me stage where you know,
is this going to be and needle moving, you know,
difference making type of decision for for Stoops with this
(18:07):
one position changed, not necessarily, but you know that a
step in the right direction maybe to add and you
know new voices, veteran led voices that you know can
contribute to a position group that needed a massive boost,
but also one that you know we've heard plenty of
positive rumblings about being pretty solid this upcoming season. So
(18:28):
all good things kind of coming together, maybe all a
ton of small, little kind of uh nuggets here and
there leading to you know, maybe a bigger overall positive product,
but you know, not necessarily a needle mover, but a
positive step nonetheless.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Larry Vaught, Jack Pilgrim, anyone else listening if you would
like to answer Marx questions, because we have to hit
a break we come back. We're going to address these,
Larry Vault and Jack Pilgram with uh, what the schedule
looks like next year? Where you find it's so hopeful victories?
Where do you find the total record of UK football
next year? And who the coach to be next year.
(19:06):
We will continue this conversation when we come back. Here
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news
radio six thirty WAP.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White,
along with Jack Pilgrim and Larry Vault. This hour of
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country Boy brewing. Before we went to break, Mark asked
a couple questions, Jack and Larry. What are some hopeful
(19:40):
games on the schedule. What do we think the record
for UK football will be next year? Who the coach
will be next year? I will start off before Larry
Vault defers to me, so you don't have an opportunity
to defer to me, Larry Vault, So put your thinking
cap on the coach next year. Following next year will
be Mark Stoops. The year after that will be up
(20:00):
for discussion. So I understand where you were asking that. Mark.
It's fine, but I don't think Mark. I think Mark Steups.
I know people may have been mad at the cal
contract and some of the things that Mitch Barnhard has
done is retention for some of the coaches, But Mark
(20:21):
Steups has after having one bad season, after turning this
program around. I don't think it's fair for our fan
base to call for his job or anything. Maybe some
of his money back, I can if he could pull
a harbor Jim Harbaugh. Finally you take some of that
money back, give him eight million instead of ten, not
almost ten. But what he've done for this university, I
(20:45):
mean you can't. You can't turn your nose up at
I'm sure a lot of people will, but no, you
can't be calling for his job, not just yet. Now
he give us another, He give us another two or three,
four and fours too inten another to intent. Yeah, that's
some of the money back or his job rating resignation.
But I don't think I'm still at this point, Larry Vaud.
(21:07):
I'm being a little bit convinced, and I don't know why.
I'm being convinced that we probably can win five games,
and I think our sweet spot at six wins. Everyone
keeps convincing me. I don't know how much Old Miss lost.
I just never count Lane kiffing out because he'll get
into a scoring battle with you. And I think if
(21:28):
we're relying on our defense to stop Lane kiffing more
than I'm expecting our offense to put points on the board,
I think the edge is to Lane. But a lot
of sports writers are giving us. They're starting to turn
the edge a little bit where they think that we
can beat Old miss We beat them at their cribs,
so I think people are thinking we can beat them
here Old missus game. I think we can get I'm
not sold on South Carolina yet, although the national pundits
(21:50):
are Vanderbilt is a game. So the four out of
conference games, which Louis will be a toss. A lot
of people have us beating Old Miss, which I find
kind of crazy, but only because Lane Kiffin is there.
They have lost a lot of power on their team.
But so I say three out of conference games Louis
is a flip, Louisville Vanderbilt, Old Miss. That'll give us
(22:18):
five and seven. And that's where I can find five
answer marks question.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Arburn.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The hype is on them. And one thing I'm being
becoming more convinced about after talking to you, talking to
some of the coaches, and you know, doing the podcast
of Van Howes, is why does the other teams get
benefit of the doubt? Why is Auburn supposed to be
better than us? Why is it the Old Miss team
that we beat last year? Why do they get the
(22:45):
benefit that they're gonna come back this year and beat
us because we beat them last year? So I probably
could find that win with Auburn. And why not get
Larry Vau while we're at it. Why not give us
the benefit of the doubt that we've We've owned Florida
for the past couple of years. Why not get back
on that winning streak. So I can find six. I
(23:05):
don't know if I'm gonna put any money on it,
but I can find six. But if just for sake
of a radio, if I had to put money down,
I would say four and eight. But if I need
an optimistic view, I would say six and six. But
I can see five and seven. I be I could
(23:27):
be convinced of five and seven. So though it is
are hopeful games, that's my record and that's my thoughts
on coaching. Larry Watt, your thoughts on games that you
think we can win with our starting lineups, the record
for the team, who do you think the coach is
gonna be next year? Aftly following next year?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, I think it'll be stoopid because I don't think
I can't see Mitch Barrhard eating nine and a half
million dollars in this economic climate right now, no matter
what would happen this year. So I would agree with
you on that. I think our color mark also ask
what was the one position that UK would be better
than have a better position group than anybody that Kentucky
(24:06):
was going to play this year, And I don't know
if there is that one position group that I would
say Kentucky's so strong at this position that they'll be
better at that spot than anybody they're going to line
up against. I don't know what you got one position
that's disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think either running back or received, I mean running
back or safety.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You think, or better than anybody else in the SEC?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I thought you meant. I thought the question was again,
when we line up against them, you're talking about the
top position group in the conference. That's a different story,
But I thought it was more of when we line
up against another team, which position groups what we have
advantage on certain games? Now, if you're talking about the
top an SEC, that's tough to do in any position.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, I think that's just what he was. I thought
that's what he was asking, which position group is Kentucky
handled just be better than whoever they're going to play
against game in and game out. I just didn't know
if they had one that would do that. So, but
in the running back room still, I think we've got
to see it to believe it, or I do anyway,
But so that's the hard one there for me. Record wise,
(25:15):
I don't know. I mean, I think I'm still think
I got to see it to believe it. In all
those games you talk about, it'd be nice, I think
Kentucky could win. But all those teams except for miss
did beat Kentucky last year and beat them in beat
them in Lexington. So that's a little concern for me.
And you've got a roster turnover with what almost fifty
five new players on it, So I just don't know
(25:37):
how you evaluate it and make anything. I mean, I
think if you want to be optimistic, you say six
and six. If you got to be pessimistic, you say
three and nine. And I'm just waiting to see where
it falls in between there. But I think the good
thing about it is we're gonna know real quick because
I think after two weeks into the season, we're gonna
have a real good idea and whether you're looking at
a three and nine team or possible sixty so you.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Don't think there's an SEC team that you're not leaning on.
Any SEC team you think we can get. Lane Kiffin
has you scared?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think after you only win one SEC team last year,
every CC team has has you scared? When you and
you've had that kind of roster turnover, and we just
don't know what's gonna progress. Mean, maybe Zach Calsana is
gonna be the best quarterback in the SEC. I don't know.
I've gotta seem to know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Huh. That is interesting, And that is where I think
some of the writers and people I've talked to are
that you're not giving Kentucky any any credit for beating
the Old miss and Oxford. But now all of a
sudden they're coming to Lexington and they haven't They lost
just like they lost people, just like we lost people,
and you still not giving us the benefit of the doubt,
(26:47):
Larry Vott, I haven't seen this negative side of you.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They went four and eight last year.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
But they so we can't even get credit for beating
the team that we beat last year that lost more
power than we lost.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well if you, if you did that, they only eat
four teams last year, will give me.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I just want you to give us credit for the
team we did beating the conference.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's what I said. I could see Kentucky going anywhere
from three three wins to six wins.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Maybe Jack Pilgrim helped me out. Man Larry Vaudas ain't
doing me any service Jack Pilgrim. Mark asked, what is
the record you see UK having next year? Who's the
coach after next year? And uh what what games on
the schedule? And I guess I did skim over position
group that we may be superior in the Matchupskay.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You're not going to get me agreeing with you on
this one, Anthony, I'm sorry. I think I think Larry
nailed it. Yeah, I just have a hard time buying
into anything that happened last year because again, it's like
Larry said's fifty five new players. It's a whole different ballgame,
whole different roster that what happened last year that was,
as we can all kind of agree, was a total
(28:04):
anomaly where Lane Kiffin was just be subtled at the
podium after the game, going, hey, trip, tip your cap
to Mark Steus because he did the most.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
A minute hold on, hold on. So was so Kreby
Smart was as well after narrowly escaping. So Kirby Smart
was dumbfound as well. Yeah, So it was enom so
though two greatest, two of the greatest coaches in college
football to the best coach they were, they were befuddled
because they had a tough game or lost to us.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, but it was a learning experience where we lost
as a result of sticking to the script against Georgia,
and we won as a result of going against the
grain and doing something that Mark Stukes hasn't done in
a decade of knowing him. It's just it was just
a total like all right, yeah, cool, good, go for
it and and win that football game in a way
(28:56):
that we've never seen him do before. Is out of
character for him, and to it to his credit, those
guts got him the only win in the SEC schedule.
I mean, yes, he deserves a lot of credit for it,
but old myths views that in a ten win season
as the difference of a disappointment of a season. We
look at that is literally the only bright spot of
(29:18):
our season. So I just I can't use that as
a measuring stick of well, why if we were able
to do that last year? Why can't because there was
such a greater sample size of failure last season versus
the one microscopic anomaly that happened when things finally win
our way. Like, I just I have a hard time
buying that, And I do think we could look at
(29:40):
this schedule this year in a similar way where we
and I just remember this time last offseason, every week
talking about that South Carolina game. I know that South
Carolina game is going to kind of be, you know,
the turning point, you know, kind of set the tone
of the season. You got to take care of business
against Southern myths, and then once we get to South
Carolina in week two, you know that it's really going
to decide, you know, kind of just set the tone
(30:03):
of what the you know, what the season is going
to be, set the foundation of what it's going to be.
And then you lose thirty one to six, and then
you kind of just everything you thought and hoped and
expected of that group, it was all thrown out the window.
And then yes, they came back and fought hard against
George of the following week, but still lost. And then
the week after whatever against Ohio, you know nothing, feel
like you're making that comeback that you desperately needed against
(30:27):
Ole Miss, and then you crap the bed against against Vanderbilt,
and then after that the wheels fell off. So this season,
you know, when you have an old Miss that is
going to come in Hungary where lang Kiffin felt embarrassed
about how that game unfolded. Yes, I do think that
they are going to have more to play for and
kind of prove that, hey, we're not going to be
you know, Kentucky's little brother, That's not how we operate
(30:47):
down in Oxford. I think he's going to come in
wanting to make a statement in that game. I'm cofided.
I'm thinking that's a loss and not really losing any
sleep about thinking that that that's a lot. I think
the season really starts for us in again, South Carolina
September twenty seven, and I think the rest of the
season is going to kind of decide based on that game.
(31:10):
If they hang in there and they somehow, you know,
pull that one out. I do think, you know, you
start off three and one in the year that everybody
thought you could win three games, and maybe you kind
of get that locker room morale up and you kind
of get that confidence going that hey, maybe maybe we
can prove the doubters wrong. Maybe we can you know,
be a team that nobody thought we could be, and
(31:31):
then you could, you know, compete hard against Georgia seed.
But what happens against Texas that that's a just a
gauntlet of a stretch. You almost kind of view that
South Carolina game as a must win before kind of
regrouping again against Auburn, Florida, Tennessee Tech, and Vanderbilt, and
then we'll see what happening happens against Louisville. But it's
just it's such a hard schedule, Anthony, that I really
(31:52):
don't even think that, you know, six wins. Where do
you find those six wins? What would be a best
case in there to get those six wins? I think
I'm going five as of right now, and I'm still
even like almost leaning more pessimistic than that. I think
five on a good day is how I'm you know,
a month away from the de season, That's how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm gonna stop having this conversation with the two of you.
So Lane Kiffin, lane Kiff is gonna be angry at
the season that they lost those last year. They're gonna
come up here and smack us around. So we he
Mark Stoop's tail, An War and the rest of the crew,
Brad and those guys don't even show up because Lane
Kiff is mad. The Rebels they're gonna come here. They're
(32:34):
upset that they lost to us last year. We don't
stay in the chest. Let's not even just show up,
Larry Va, Larry Vau, we gotta get the break. But
Larry vaugh have you have you ever been in the
tug of war contest.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
A few times as a child.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'm sure most of us have. So when you're in
the tug of war, when you got the big guys,
some people put the big guys in front of some
people the big guys in the back. If one of
those big guys slips, they lose their footage, then the
rope starts to go to the other direction. You have
talked to a lot of people. You've done a lot
of reports recently that a lot of people have been saying, yeah,
at some point last week and last year, they gave up.
So Lane Kiffin is mad because we beat them. Kirby
(33:09):
Smart kind of feels like, you know what, they escaped here,
but yet coming in this season, Mark stoops, let's we
better beware because people see us as a doormat. Because
but you have had people tell you last year some
guys just flat out gave up. Now if they give
up again, somebody needs to be slapped in the face.
Mark Student needs to look itself in the mirror. I'm saying,
you guys are acting like our guy just shouldn't show
up because everybody old missus mad because we beat them,
(33:32):
and those other eleven games that we played, or the
other eight games that we lost, everybody or not winning, yeah,
eight games that we lost, everybody else should feel like,
oh yeah, we're gonna do that again. We just shouldn't
show up. We will continue this conversation after this year.
Listen Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News Radio
six thirty WLAP. This is the home of the Wild
(33:53):
Gouts six thirty WLAP. Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning
Sports Talk on Anthony along with the Negative Larry Vaught
and Jack Pilgrim. Larry Vaught, for we went to break,
I was what I was kind of explaining some things
(34:13):
to you, and I ran out of time because I
still got more choice words for you. But we got
Chris Collins coming on ten o'clock. I'm gonna save some
of those words, and I know Jack is going to
be out of here in a little while, but I
will tell you I am getting a bit offended by
you guys acting as if last year means last year
was the first year we regressed as much as we did,
(34:34):
and you guys are acting like that's us if we
out of the time that Mark Stoops has been here
with twelve years and we've had one bad season. The
first two were building seasons. The first two or three
years were building seasons, and we've had one bad season
since the rebuild, and now all of a sudden, that's
our identity, which is not fair to Mark Stoops. That's
not fair to the program. That's not fair to the
(34:55):
players that are suiting up every week. But I want
to ask you, I'm gona ask you this one question,
Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim. Do you think we are
Do you think we are better this year at quarterback
or not than last year?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I'll answer that, I'll answer that there's no way for
anybody to know, there is no possible way for us
at this stage without seeing it with our own two eyes,
whether Zach cales Ota is better than than Brock Vandergriff
based on I mean, you can look at old film.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You can no was Brock? Was Brock win worthy last year?
Was he win worthy in most of the games?
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Did we know if Zach card I'm not asked you
that were were if he did not play up, If
if Brock did not live up to the expectation, then
we can't say you're right.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We can't say we're gonna be better or worse. But
Brock obviously didn't live up to what we expected, and
that's why we kind of won. Foreignight, the guy gave
up football. So I'm just telling you, if you can
emphatically tell me that that, you can convince me. But
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Expectations were un really reasonably high this time last year
for Brockmanner Griff, thinking that he was going to live
up to the five star hype. Zach Klesada's expectations are
probably unfairly low for him, where fans are just hoping
that he is a competent, living, breathing football player who
(36:20):
can run an offense. Like I that's where the fan
base expectation and optimism is, like, hey, we just want
a guy that won't quit and retire from the sport
entirely at the end of the season. Like that's that
is how low things are. So yes, if you were
going to ask me right now, who is a better quarterback,
Zach Klezata or Rock Vander Group yeah, are from expectations
(36:41):
to reality. Last season couldn't have been things couldn't have
gone worse. Expectations are so low right now with Calzada
that even if he's competent, even if he's just slightly
below average, we will see that as a as a
massive upgrade. And yes, you can do a lot more
things with you have a slight upgrade at that position.
That doesn't make him, you know, best quarterback in the
(37:02):
SEC or in the running for being something more than
you know, we just gotta call it what it is
until we see it otherwise, and until then it's a
maybe a higher floor ish team with you know, probably
really limited upside that you know, we're we're we're shooting
for the stars at six wins, and I don't think
anything beyond that, whether quarterback play is excellent or terrible,
(37:23):
it's gonna, you know, change that what from nine, ten,
eleven wins, whatever your biggest dreams are.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Larry Vall, I'm gonna make sure and jacksons you off
the hook now. So we we just gonna let let
that be for you. But when we have Chris Collins
on here, I'm gonna make sure that we tell Chris
Collins with Larry Vaalf thinks this quarterback because the quarterback
is who his defense, his cornerbacks go against every day,
and that's kind of their barameter. How they, you know,
(37:52):
gauge how good they're doing. When we come back. We
have cornerbacks Coch Cole defensive coordinator Chris Collins own we'll
be back after this. Your Listen to stock Yards Bank
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