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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in doc Yards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm
Anthony White, Anthony D. White, along with Larry Vaught and
Jack Pilgrim, coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market
Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky. Return refreshed and refute Larry
and Jack. I went to a Clark's pumping shop yesterday.
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I had only been to Clark's pumping shop twice, the
one on Citation on Citation right across from Sandersville, and
the young man in there was really polat. I wanted
to get his name, but I didn't really want to
put him on blast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So if you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Stop at the Clark's Pumping Shop on Citation. I don't
know what the other employees are like, but typically when
you deal with one employee, it kind of trickles down
from the top. That's how the whole establishments ran. So,
young man, whoever you were, served me yesterday at eleven PM,
I appreciate you. The next time I come in here,
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I get your name. If you want a shot out,
I get your shot up. But we are here for
this Father's Day edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk, and
if we have two fathers on the show, with Us.
We have two nine fathers on the show with Us.
But fathers are not only to a person who's produced
offspring or who's married into a situation or who is
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dating into a situation. Coaches are fathers, school mentors or fathers,
teachers or fathers, and there's some women who are fathers.
So whatever the case, Happy Father's Day to you all,
and Larry vaugh good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Happy Father's Day to you, my guy.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you very much, buddy.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I appreciate that it's always a mixed emotions on this
day because it's been a long time since I've had
a father, and it reminds me how much I missed
him on a day plant like this, and it also
makes me appreciate how lucky I am to be a
father and a grandfather.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So thank you for the good wishes.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And I think about that, and I always think about
the holidays for my friends that may have lost theirs
or just no. You never know how anyone takes it.
But I think I'm thinking about you, and I always
think about Jasper and his dad and his dad's dad
and you. I'm sure Dennis always tells me you just
like his father, and you and his father is really close.
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So you still should take a whole lot of comfort
in knowing that you've raised so many people. There's so
many people that probably appreciate you. Larry, you don't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Well, I would hope that's the case. And it's funny
you mentioned Dennis because I woke up this morning and
guests who already had a happy Father's Day message from.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, he don't miss the guy doesn't miss No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
This is from Dennis's mother.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Ah, so one of the loveliest ladies I've ever known.
So that just shows you how thoughtful she is, because
I know Father's Day is tough for her too.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because Albus is not here understandable, I'm gonna have to
give him a gall after the show. I'll just send
him a text because I'm sure everybody's reaching out. Uh,
Jack Pilgrim, you've been a father. Is this your second
Father's Day? Or is your first and a half?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is my This is my second one officially.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
The first first one is when you're you know, just
kind of figure it and figure in life out and
you're like, oh man, what did I sign myself up for?
And now you're starting to get into the fun stage
where he's a you know, turns into a mini me
and play you know, so playful and you know, emotional
and all those you know, fun kind of personality traits.
So yeah, this this one's definitely a you know, pretty
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special one.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And uh got any big plans?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, I am in Colorado Springs right now at a
Team USA mini camp where Pope is coaching Jasper and
Malachi and a bunch of other twenty twenty six recruits.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
So I will be uh in a gym unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So I had to do some Father's Day stuff yesterday
before my flight left, and then obviously, well we'll take
care of some stuff when we get back. And so yeah,
it's sad being away from family, but you know we're
making sure I can, you know, check some of those
boxes whenever whenever I can, whenever I'm in town.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And my question kind of really is because Billy's still
little and he's impressionable. Now they got YouTube, Instagram, Uh,
there's all kinds of ways of finding ways to treat
your father and things like that. But I you told
me about the breakfast he cooked the pancakes, Are you
sure there was did he cook you a dirt pancake?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yesterday before you left. I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You gotta be pretty confident because as a kid, that
little boy don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
He the first round was was excellent. He mailed it,
you know, with with very helping hand of my wife.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Shit, he did a good job.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But yesterday now I actually took him to Cracker Barrel
to be with Grandpa. So so I got to that
was our little father's day. So with my dad him
getting to spend time with Grandpa and you know, me
getting to spend spend time with him. So the three generations,
it was a good little breakfast and they had to
kick us out. We were sitting there yapping for like
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two three hours. So we ended up we ended up
going straight from breakfast to lunch, the breakfast lunch rush
to the lunch rush at Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So they ended up kicking us out.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And this has kind of been a tradition on the show.
And I'll be complete honest. I know we're gonna get
into a whole lot of a whole lot of stuff
and we're gonna get an update from you as well,
Jack Pilgrim. But for years as a co host on
this show, Mark Berger would always on Father's Day bring
up Father's Day memories and Larry, what, I'm gonna be
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completely honest with you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe you know or you maybe you could tell, or
maybe you couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But it was extremely hard for me to hold back
in motion, just because now it's been I think it's
been like fourteen years now, but so the first but
the first time, and at first I felt like it
was extremely insensitive because I had just lost my dad,
probably a couple a couple of months or a couple
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of weeks, probably before Father's Day. But it's just something
I thought was pretty cool. And now that I'm kind
of like you and I'm not really numb to the
whole idea, but I've kind of learned how to deal
with it and I kind of utilize it as a
moment for you know, happiness, remembering good moments. But Mark
Berger used to always ask, what is one of your
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favorite moments with your father? And mine was really simple
because my dad's a simple guy. But I don't want
to put anybody, especially your self, Larry fought in an
awkward position. But before we get into this sports thing,
I did want to honor fathers and take this opportunity.
So I'm going to give you a second, Larry. I
just want you to know that, and you could tell
me if you thought that maybe I may have been
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sensitive to the topic, but I also think there's some
pleasure in it as well. To Jack Pilgrim, what is
your most favorite favorite moment with your father or something
you and your father does that really makes you proud?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Ooh man, that's that's that's a heavy one because there
are so many and you know, so many. I just
you kind of notice it every day, and especially when
you have a son and you know, he kind of
takes after you the way you took after him, and
you know, just little things that Billy will do remind
me of my dad and just kind of how I was,
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and you know, I'm in my dad's shoes now, so
a lot of it is kind of you know, obviously
a ton of incredible just you know, me as a
kid growing up, you know, going to the ball field,
him taking me to football practice, and you know, just
being my ultimate supporter and anything I chose to do,
and you know, sitting you know, getting shots up in
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the backyard until two o'clock in the morning with you know,
kind of the overhead light on in the backyard, making
all my neighbors hate my guts, and my sitting there
in a lawn chair just watching me, and you know,
a lot of a lot of those things, but I
think the greatest joy was, you know, I had a
pretty special moment. So Billy is named after my grandmother,
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who's one of the closest people in my life before
she passed away last year. Named Billy after her late
husband who I actually never got to meet, who was
my dad's my dad's dad, you know, sharing the moment
with them together that I was naming Billy after my
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dad's dad and my grandma's late late husband, who was
kind of an emotional moment for the family. And you know,
now that I've lost my grandmother, you know, since since then,
I you know, she got to be with Billy for
nine months before she passed. So it's kind of a
you know, very special day that we got to share
with the day I told them that I was naming
Billy after Grandpa Bill. And so yeah, it's a that
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that definitely sticks out. That's gonna be one that I'll
cherish for a very very very long time until I'm
an old man.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Myself, and that's gonna be a long time. That's gonna
be a very long time. Because you were so young.
I did not realize the first couple of years we
worked together that you were as young as you were,
So you got plenty of time on your hands. Larry Vaught,
what do you findest memories of or since you have kids,
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maybe some of your proud moments of you being a father,
or you can share moment that you remember have father.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I think it's tarm My dad's been gone twenty nine
years now, which is still kind.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Of hard for me to comprehend.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
For Fortunately, a few years back, my son made me
a Father's Day or Christmas.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Give me which one. He gave it to me, but
he made a plaque and all and has a.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Picture of me and my dad when we were working together.
And that's now the first thing I see you when
I wake up in the morning. I've got a position
where it's one of the first things to look at
when I get up out of bed. So but I
was fortunate I got to work with my dad, you know,
for a number of years. But I think just my
best memory of my dad.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's just how beloved he was by others.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
How everything he did that people just said nothing but
great things about him, whether it was to his work
at the newspaper or to his work as a lay minister.
And knowing that no matter what, I was never going
to be able to be quite what he was because
he was the easiest going, the best person kindness that
I was ever around, and knowing that I was never
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going to quite meet those expectations, but he certainly had
a good example for me to follow, and.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He did a good job. Larry Vault, I appreciate the
job he did with you. He's a craftsman. Bou Robinson.
Bo Robinson, you want to share a moment with your father.
How much time do we have? Oh, you ain't got
all that time, I know, but so many love you
and your sister.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
So many great moments with my dad. But I think
the one thing that always sticks out about my dad
and our family is that he always treated and still
does my sister and myself fairly. It was never favored
over her me whatever. He always treated us fairly. And
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I think the one moment that really brings that to
light was she won tickets years ago. She was in
sixth grade, late eighties. She won tickets to go see
New Kids on the Block and he took her in
no way. She was going to go to Riverfront Stadium
by herself, and he looked horrible. When he came back,
he said, I will never ever do anything like that again.
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It was horrible. It was a nightmare. And he looked
at me and he said, I got to make it
up to you. So that summer nineteen eighty nine, we
bought tickets to go see the Rolling Stones on their
Steel Wheels tour at Riverfront Stadium, and he said, you
know what, let's do it again. And we went to
another concert, I think it was Bob Seeger, and then
we went to go see Joe Cocker and then he
turned around and you made it up to my sister again.
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So he always treated us fairly with each other. Just
so many great memories, whether it's UK basketball or something
simple is just going fishing.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Love them dearly. Good job, mister Robinson.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Before we go to break, I will say, and it's
funny that I'm in the process of because I do podcasting,
I do media, I work in the school district also
coaching mentor that I really I really am interested in
going and get my mechanic certification. I'm gonna do that
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on the side, like in the summers when school is
not in full go, or just on the weekends here
and there, just help out people, maybe single moms or
people who can't afford to get their car fixed at
regular rates. But I want to get certified just so
that I don't get a lossuit. And the reason I
do because when I was a really little kid, my
dad is my dad, my granddad, my aunts, uncles were
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all mechanics. So when I was really little, didn't know
what I was doing. I was squeeze it. I would
squeeze up underneath the car and to my dad and
just get oil all on my.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Hands and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And every now and then he'll tell me, because my
hands were small to grab that something to drop, He'll
have me reach my hand in and grab something. And
the first time I busted my knuckles, I was probably
twelve or thirteen, and it hurt like heck, and it's like, see,
that's what I told you. So the finest memories I
have with my dad are really working on cars or whatever.
But I would make it seem like I was really
doing something, so I would just put my hands all
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up underneath the oily parts to get my hands dirty
and act like I got to go use that green
stuff to clean them off.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And that is what I remember about my dad. Fake
it till you make it. Yeah, there you go. We
will continue this show after this.
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have Twitter and you just want to have your comments,
because there's been some big news all over Big Blue name,
I guess the state of Kentucky in general, and I
did want to discuss those things. We got a little
bit more confirmation over the past couple of days since
Monday when news broke. But Vince Merrill, the big Dog
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is no longer wearing blue, kind of like bloods and crips.
He's going from the blue went to the red. There's
a lot of rumors in speculation. We here do not
dis discuss. We discuss facts that we know, or we
give you a platform to discuss how you feel. So
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that's why I'm giving you all these means of communication
so you can call it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There's a poll on Twitter right now X to see
how do you feel that there's half of the fan
base is a set that.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It was level.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There's a lot of the fan base that was upset
that he's leaving it all, But then there's a large
person of the fan base that appreciates what he's done
here and understand all things come to an end, or
can to an end given the right circumstances. Larry Vought,
where do you stand as far as you and maybe
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maybe we'll just take your of you. We'll get into
your followers a little later. You'll view on Vince I
departing from Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I was surprised, not stunned, because in conversations with Vince
over the last couple of years, I mean, you just
sometimes know things maybe aren't don't want to smoothly. It's
what they had before. Twelve years is a long time
for an assistant coach to be at one place, even
if you are with your friend. And I think sometimes
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I break up can be good for everybody. But I
think this was something that I don't know that I
would say that Vance was kind of pushed out the door,
but I think the door was kind of opened. Nobody said, well,
I'm going to close it, because if you decide you
want to go, it's going to be okay. I can
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remember back to when I work somewhere for forty one
years and then they did some things that they didn't
push me out the door, but they certainly made sure
the door was open and knew that they'd be happy
if I went out the door. And I think this
was an occasion where the time had just come that
some felt the change was needed. Maybe after you go
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four and eight, you're looking for somebody else to kind
of say, we got to change up what they're doing
to make my job come out better. And so I
think Vince had had a lot of responsibility. And when
you have a lot of responsibility, as you know Anthony,
you don't like to give that up and drop into
a lesser role, especially if there's somewhere else that tells
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you you can come and have just as big a
role for the same money or maybe even more in
the long run. So I think, yes, it's a I
think it's still a blow to UK football just because
of the perception of it, but things happen, So I'm
in that category. You just went wish Vince, well, remember
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what he's done for the program. And I don't begrudge
that he went to Louisville because I think he's going
up there to work for another friend. That's what brought
him to Kentucky to start with, he was working for
a friend. And I also think when you are married
and things, sometimes you don't have maybe total say and
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where you're going to go. And if you've got a spouse,
so would maybe like to stay relatively, would like to
say in the state where she is or something like that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Already you factor that into.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
The equation too, what's the easiest move for my family?
And so I think Vince just had to do what
was best for him. And I've never been one ever
to be grudge anybody doing what is best for them.
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Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm Anthony D. White along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Sunday Morning Sports Talk is brought to you by country
Boy Brewing Dhing them the big guys, not to be
confused with the Big Dog. And I will say I
kind of wonder if Vince will take the title of
a Big Dog to Louisville with him and Larry Valda
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and Jack Pilgrim. So you get to understand, big dog
is a term used in Ohio in general, I think
more specifically northeastern Ohio, because when I first got down here,
I used to call everybody big dog. But then all people,
my friends from here, they refer to me as big dog,
just because that's what we say up north. Like you
could be in a group of people and if you
make an eye contact with that person, they know you're
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calling them big dog. Like hey, hey, big dog, go
grab me. The person you're looking at at that point
is big dog. So I'm just kind of wonder if
he takes that with him to Louisville or does he
leave some of those things here at Kentucky And you know,
started a whole new image, new brand with Louisville. But Larry,
I mean not Larry, Jack Pilgrim, your thoughts on the
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Big Dog going to the cards.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Yeah, it's weird. It is very very weird. Yeah, I
gotta call two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
That kind of hinted at it, said, you know, somebody
had talked to Louisville administration and said, hey, you know,
apparently it's a done deal that Vince is leaving for
for Louisville. It's going to be announced here in the
next couple of weeks. You know, you hear something like that,
and you just see, know a kind of boy who
cried wolf. At this stage where you know, every off
season there's ten thousand rumors of you know, he's interviewing
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for this job. Oh, he's a candidate for this head
coaching job. You know, YadA YadA. It almost always inevitably
leads to a raise and extension of some sort of Lexington.
So you you hear that and you're like, okay, yeah,
it is a day that ends, and why so why
wouldn't Vince be going somewhere else?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
So as we get closer.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
To that you know, announcement and you know more, the
speculation kind of ramps up and up and up, and
you're like, well, shoot, maybe there.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Is something to this.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And then the news finally breaks you're like, well, shoot,
I never thought we'd see the day where Vince would
actually pack his bags and leave.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And you know, it is this kind of a feel.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Of like it's this you know, sign of the times
where you know, this program kind of has.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
This you know, this is kind of the last.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Ditch effort where we're trying to figure out how a
way out of this mini rock bottom that we've hit.
Is it salvageable with Mark Soups? What does the future
look like with Mark? You know, is there a buy
in with him? What does that look like? Can we
find that momentum that is clearly lost, because you know,
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four and eight season doesn't even kind of tell the
story of what the current apathy level is with this program.
The fan just you know, not buy in but buy
out rather just where do things stand? Kind of felt
like some type of mood move had to be made
that would really kind to you know, change things one
way or another. And this definitely kind of has that
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vibe where if there is a chance of salvaging anything,
it does kind of feel like, hey, if we're going
to really talk about culture issues and kind of hitting
reset internally and getting back to our roots, is you know,
kind of a bring your lunch pale to work blue
collar approach. You know, we got to kind of get
you know, move forward with the guys that are willing
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to do that. And then I thought Mark Stoop's statement
was pretty telling. When he you know, confirmed his departure,
just kind of said that we're going to continue to
prioritize attitude, culture, work, ethic, things like that, and in
the toughest conference in college football, just kind of had
that like, hmm, what message are you trying to get
across here?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know, I love Big Dog personally.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I think he's a you know, great dude and has
done so many great things for this Kentucky football program
over the twelve years he was here. But it did
just kind of feel like something had to give somewhere
and it wasn't going to be just a mind support
staffer here and there that was going to really kind
of uproot this thing and get, you know, try to
get the momentum back where it needed to be. So
it's weird, it's it's bizarre, it's uncomfortable, but I think
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this program kind of needs to be comfortable being uncomfortable
here for a little bit. If there's any chance of
making this work.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, let's get to it. Jack Pum, who's a winner
and losions? And I asked you this, who is a winner?
And alusive?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
From this?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because I will tell I will say based off what
you said, it seems like you're leaning a certain direction.
I'm going to say, if I had to pick a
if I had to pick a side on Province because
and I'll get to that throughout the show. But from
I don't disagree with your statements, I do want to
explain to me going a different direction these type of things.
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We brought back an offensive line coach that led us
to one of the worst offense lines we've had in
several of the worst offense lines we've had in the
past fifteen years. We also give them one hundred thousand
dollars raising extension, and we are trying to move in
in another direction. To mind you, Jack Pilgrim, both of
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these guys are Mark Stoop's boys. Like Vince's boys. So
is Wolf Wolferd. They're both his boys. So when you say,
you know, we gotta change here, we gotta change the coach.
Bringing back bringing back the office line coach probably wasn't
the best move, but it's cool because that's your boy.
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But now it's a problem that Vince decides to take
on another endeavor for whatever reason. It could be tension.
I don't know what the reason is, but it's so
basically my simple question to you, Jack Pilgrim, is who
do you think is winning at who wins from this
this departure?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What is your initial thought? Who wins from this departure?
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I think that's very TBD at this at this stage,
I think it is It is a.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
There's a chance that both sides are losers.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Like there's a chance that you know, Kentucky's recruiting falls
off a cliff in terms of you know, getting those
four stars, you know, low five stars, the guys that
you just never would have dreamed that would make their
way to Lexington that Vince managed to get his hands
on and pull in here. Who is the guy that's
going to close on those guys? Like, Yeah, we've hit
a nice little run of three commits in the last
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week four since the start of June. You know, you're
getting you know, starting to feel kind of that recruiting
momentum picked back up, and you know it's kind of
like a Okay, what are we selling here? What is
the you know, what is the pull? And you know
you're starting to see that, but it's still kind of
the middle of the pack. Three stars, a couple high
three stars, but can we get the talent.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know, we might get the good.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Culture, you know, guys who appreciate being here, but are
those guys talented enough to win football games?
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Does Vince need you know, the sec to sell and
how can he? You know, he kind of struck while
the iron was hot with you know, Kentucky build a
momentum and being a part of that change and the
why not us kind of approach. He did a great
job selling that, but how is that going to work,
you know, bringing talent into Louisville? And can he do
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that in today's era where you know, high school relationships
aren't necessarily as important as just kind of you know,
having the money where it needs to be in.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
The portal era.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Like, it's just kind of a different time where the
Vince Marrow of twenty sixteen isn't necessarily as valuable as
the Vince Marrow of twenty twenty five as a GM.
So if there is a scenario where both sides lose here,
but you know, I think if there is a you know,
we'll have to see what the path to a you know,
winning looks like on Kentucky's side. And you know, obviously
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if Louisville wins games with the guys Vince springs in
that's probably the easiest path to a to a win.
But you know, I still think there's something to be
said about kind of just hitting doing a hard reset
within this program and just kind of seeing what happens
if there is a path to success for stupents at
the end of the Tay.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Larry Vall, who do you see being the winner or loser? Initially?
Like we as he said, is going is obviously going
to be to be determined. But I got one factor
that I went through out there. But who do you
think is the winner and the loser from this departure?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Well, I mean, I would think just looking based on
past results, all I would say Louisville is the winner.
In Kentucky's the loser tipically, because the fact of all
the things that Vents did for the program for twelve years,
I mean, the recruiting, what he did just from public
visibility for the program and all. I think losing somebody
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like that definitely hurts. I mean, I don't I don't
think you haven't a keep an assistant with the responsibilities
that Vin said for twelve years if and then lose
him and say it's not gonna hurt, because that's the case,
you would have had him do it all he's been
doing for twelve years. So I think it's it's it's
got a it's gotta hurt. And I've had a message
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kind of while we were talking here this morning corrected
me that maybe Vince didn't feel like the door was open,
that he still felt just as loved and Lexington is
what he always had, so that that scenario that I
kind of thought maybe was the case is not true,
that he just left for a different opportunity. But I
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think to me, there's no way that Kentucky is not
a loser. When you lose somebody's been that valuable as
part of your staff, and if you're setting in Louisville.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You got to feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And I will remember Anthony that I think it was
what almost two years ago when Vince was telling us
on one of our shows that now and that when
he kept comparing how college football was just like the
NFL and you had to have general managers and player
personnel managers in the free agency.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Period at all like that.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So everything that happened is kind of exactly like what
he predicted. It was going to be and now he's
basically kind of going to go into that general manager
role at Louisville that he talked about that every school
is going to probably have to have with the way
things are going with the transfer portal, Nil and.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Larry, You're right, most schools have had that, and I
thought that that would have been a perfect fit for Vince.
Take them off the field and put them in that position.
And the question I have and we got to get
to the big gass fans hotline if you like to
join at eight five nine to eight zero two two
eight seven eight five nine to eight zero cats out.
The one thing I'm gonna ask you, Larry Vaut before
we get to the biggest fans hotline is who at
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this point? And this is why I asked the question
to you both, who is the who can you see
on this staff that's going to illuminate our football team
like Vince did? And I'm saying every day's really not
a lot of people in the country that can do
what Vince did as far as being personable, available, you know,
just yeah, mostly just available. When you know, when you're
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at his level, who in the program can we turn
to now when you need someone to come on really quickly,
or we need someone to go sell our brand and
market our brand.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Stoops Bush Brad, That's.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
That's a trick question, reloaded question, because because nobody will
do it as well as what Vince did, and that
was that was his greatest asset that he I mean,
I don't really I hate to kind of say he
just was the face of your program, but he was
because he was the person that was.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Always out there.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
That's not something I think Mark Stoops always feels comfortable doing.
Vince Vince does, and he was a guy out there
selling your program and promoting it. That's he's the guy
that fans knew. He was kind of the face. So
when you're out there recruiting that if he came to
a game, high school game, people all just kind of
got excited. And that's just part of what Kentucky's going
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to lose with Vince. Maybe somebody else can can do that,
or I don't know if anybody else will be allowed
to do that. Maybe that's not what Mark Stoops wants now.
I don't know, but I don't think there'll be anybody
that can do it like what Vince did. That's that
was Vince's greatest strength, just his personality and what he
did for your program. But just promoting your.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
For you absolutely, and you know who promotes our program.
Nobody promotes our program like John Short. Let's get to
the big ass fans hotline. Good morning, John Sure, you're
a great American.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You're a great American. How y'all doing.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
We're we're getting over We're trying to get over this
hangover from from from big dog department.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
I know, I know the disappointment of wisham Well, of
wisham Well, I knows disappointment.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
We appreciate that, John, he wasn't.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
And I believe they can tell you want it and
they have a great season this year because I've believed it.
In the Coscial playoffs, I still thinking we can take
if any Georgia Alabama overy second round of two city
schools and I believe Arkansas Euro Texas Football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It sounds like who did you leave out Tennessee and Florida?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, I will hope that will.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Be the case. I know there'd be something, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Most people think that we're only gonna win three games,
John Short, and they don't think there will be any
SEC games that we will win, so you may stand.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Alone in those thoughts.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
I know it's all right, well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You uh looking optimistic to it. And and uh, Murray
State's in the in the World Series.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
I know, yeah State lost. No, they're playing against Monday
at too Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, but they made it. That should make you proud.
Are you just a Kentucky fan? Are you a State
of Kentucky fan? Any team in the state.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
My favorite convers to a CEC because I say, you
never wanted Vanderbilt Georgia m three time there four hunder five?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeh got you got you well?
Speaker 9 (32:48):
And the home state doesn't meats they play Arkansas Monday.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You're going for Murray State or you're going for r SEC.
Acc Okay, I'm always going for SEC.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't know. That's kind of tough though, because I do.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I do go for the state first, and unless Louisville
is like my last choice, I will go for the
state first.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So I might go Murray State, I may go Murdy State.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Now, coach, coach, I'm like, get nud somebody else. Now
it's made to the World Series. You have to be in.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
That may be the case that remains to be seen
John Short and John Short. We appreciate the call. We
have to keep moving along because this is going to
be a long show and we got to pay bills,
so we got to get to a break. We will
be back after this year. Listen to Stockyards Bank Sunday
Morning Sports Talk on news radio six thirty WLAP. This
is the home of the Wild Guts six thirty w
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l a P. Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk.
I'm Anthony Wide along with Jack Pilgrim, MA and Larry
Vaughugh here on this Father's Day edition of Sunday Morning
Sports Talk. Jack Pilgrim, before we go to break, you know,
we went along a little long last segment. I did
want to have you follow up who's your Who's the
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person that you see Jeff Rubys that you can walk
up to an approach who on the staff now that
you see out in public? Or like you said, we
won't need to come on Sunday Morning Sports Talk or
you know you guys on your on your podcast. Hey,
I want to I want to bring a coach on there.
Who who is it now? That is the voice the
face that you see in public? You just go up
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to an ask for an autograph. I don't, and I've
been around Mark Steute, but it's always been in a
professional capacity. But I'm maybe he is outgoing with I didn't.
I don't get that from him, but we were in
a professional capacity, so no one was really like galling
over him anything. So who on the staff now do
you turn to to be the face and the figure
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Jack Coople?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
I don't know if there is a person on on
the staff that can do that, and there isn't that
that is the face and the brand that is Vince Merrow.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
But the hope is this type of departure lights of
fire under Stoops.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And I know the motivated Mark Stoops thing is, you know,
kind of just the running joke and you know what,
I don't know if Stups kind of needs to lean
into that a little bit and just kind of take
the jokes and stride and just kind of know that
it comes from a place of desperation for this fan
base that they want to see, you know, the turnaround,
and you know, to have all of us be able
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to look at this and go, you know, we you
we counted you out. We didn't think you could do it,
but man, look at you now, you know, we we
we're hoping for that type of turnaround. It just doesn't
come from a place of confidence or optimism that that's
that that's possible. So who is that person? It might
have to be Mark Stoops. He might have to get
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out there and do things that you know, he hasn't
been totally comfortable doing, or somebody is something that he
has been leaning on Vince to do for the last
you know decade plus, where he could kind of do
things more and you know, shake hands and you know,
have drinks with you know, the the you know donors
and important folks you know around town, you know, behind
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the scenes. While Vince is more of the public guy,
maybe it's time for you know, Stoops to be more
of the public faith and take some of this criticism
head on and you know, use like we talked about,
use this opportunity to be you know, put your face
out there more and be on more shows and just
kind of talk about the you know, yes, we acknowledge
(36:30):
that we're in a tough spot right now, but we're
going to fix it.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
This is the path to fixing it.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I think fans would appreciate that, you know, do they
will they believe it. I don't know that's up to
you know, for Stoops to sell, but I think the
only choice for the person to be the brand and
the face of this program right now is the guy
making a whole heck of a lot of money to
be that face.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I agree with you. I would like to have your
opinion said. There's the poll going on on social media
right now. Sixty percent is indifferent, twenty four percent is
sad that he's leaving, fourteen was changed, fourteen percent is upset.
So there's less people upset, more people sad, and some
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in different We will continue this conversation at the top
of the hour. You're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning
sports Talk on news radio six thirty WLAP.
Welcome in doc Yards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm
Anthony White, Anthony D. White, along with Larry Vaught and
Jack Pilgrim, coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market
Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky. Return refreshed and refute Larry
and Jack. I went to a Clark's pumping shop yesterday.
(00:22):
I had only been to Clark's pumping shop twice, the
one on Citation on Citation right across from Sandersville, and
the young man in there was really polat. I wanted
to get his name, but I didn't really want to
put him on blast.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So if you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Stop at the Clark's Pumping Shop on Citation. I don't
know what the other employees are like, but typically when
you deal with one employee, it kind of trickles down
from the top. That's how the whole establishments ran. So,
young man, whoever you were, served me yesterday at eleven PM,
I appreciate you. The next time I come in here,
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I get your name. If you want a shot out,
I get your shot up. But we are here for
this Father's Day edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk, and
if we have two fathers on the show, with Us.
We have two nine fathers on the show with Us.
But fathers are not only to a person who's produced
offspring or who's married into a situation or who is
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dating into a situation. Coaches are fathers, school mentors or fathers,
teachers or fathers, and there's some women who are fathers.
So whatever the case, Happy Father's Day to you all,
and Larry vaugh good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Happy Father's Day to you, my guy.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you very much, buddy.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I appreciate that it's always a mixed emotions on this
day because it's been a long time since I've had
a father, and it reminds me how much I missed
him on a day plant like this, and it also
makes me appreciate how lucky I am to be a
father and a grandfather.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
So thank you for the good wishes.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And I think about that, and I always think about
the holidays for my friends that may have lost theirs
or just no. You never know how anyone takes it.
But I think I'm thinking about you, and I always
think about Jasper and his dad and his dad's dad
and you. I'm sure Dennis always tells me you just
like his father, and you and his father is really close.
(02:18):
So you still should take a whole lot of comfort
in knowing that you've raised so many people. There's so
many people that probably appreciate you. Larry, you don't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Well, I would hope that's the case. And it's funny
you mentioned Dennis because I woke up this morning and
guests who already had a happy Father's Day message from.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, he don't miss the guy doesn't miss No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
This is from Dennis's mother.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Ah, so one of the loveliest ladies I've ever known.
So that just shows you how thoughtful she is, because
I know Father's Day is tough for her too.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because Albus is not here understandable, I'm gonna have to
give him a gall after the show. I'll just send
him a text because I'm sure everybody's reaching out. Uh,
Jack Pilgrim, you've been a father. Is this your second
Father's Day? Or is your first and a half?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is my This is my second one officially.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
The first first one is when you're you know, just
kind of figure it and figure in life out and
you're like, oh man, what did I sign myself up for?
And now you're starting to get into the fun stage
where he's a you know, turns into a mini me
and play you know, so playful and you know, emotional
and all those you know, fun kind of personality traits.
So yeah, this this one's definitely a you know, pretty
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special one.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And uh got any big plans?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, I am in Colorado Springs right now at a
Team USA mini camp where Pope is coaching Jasper and
Malachi and a bunch of other twenty twenty six recruits.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
So I will be uh in a gym unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
So I had to do some Father's Day stuff yesterday
before my flight left, and then obviously, well we'll take
care of some stuff when we get back. And so yeah,
it's sad being away from family, but you know we're
making sure I can, you know, check some of those
boxes whenever whenever I can, whenever I'm in town.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And my question kind of really is because Billy's still
little and he's impressionable. Now they got YouTube, Instagram, Uh,
there's all kinds of ways of finding ways to treat
your father and things like that. But I you told
me about the breakfast he cooked the pancakes, Are you
sure there was did he cook you a dirt pancake?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yesterday before you left. I'm not you.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
You gotta be pretty confident because as a kid, that
little boy don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
He the first round was was excellent. He mailed it,
you know, with with very helping hand of my wife.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Shit, he did a good job.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But yesterday now I actually took him to Cracker Barrel
to be with Grandpa. So so I got to that
was our little father's day. So with my dad him
getting to spend time with Grandpa and you know, me
getting to spend spend time with him. So the three generations,
it was a good little breakfast and they had to
kick us out. We were sitting there yapping for like
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two three hours. So we ended up we ended up
going straight from breakfast to lunch, the breakfast lunch rush
to the lunch rush at Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
So they ended up kicking us out.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And this has kind of been a tradition on the show.
And I'll be complete honest. I know we're gonna get
into a whole lot of a whole lot of stuff
and we're gonna get an update from you as well,
Jack Pilgrim. But for years as a co host on
this show, Mark Berger would always on Father's Day bring
up Father's Day memories and Larry, what, I'm gonna be
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completely honest with you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe you know or you maybe you could tell, or
maybe you couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
But it was extremely hard for me to hold back
in motion, just because now it's been I think it's
been like fourteen years now, but so the first but
the first time, and at first I felt like it
was extremely insensitive because I had just lost my dad,
probably a couple a couple of months or a couple
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of weeks, probably before Father's Day. But it's just something
I thought was pretty cool. And now that I'm kind
of like you and I'm not really numb to the
whole idea, but I've kind of learned how to deal
with it and I kind of utilize it as a
moment for you know, happiness, remembering good moments. But Mark
Berger used to always ask, what is one of your
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favorite moments with your father? And mine was really simple
because my dad's a simple guy. But I don't want
to put anybody, especially your self, Larry fought in an
awkward position. But before we get into this sports thing,
I did want to honor fathers and take this opportunity.
So I'm going to give you a second, Larry. I
just want you to know that, and you could tell
me if you thought that maybe I may have been
(06:53):
sensitive to the topic, but I also think there's some
pleasure in it as well. To Jack Pilgrim, what is
your most favorite favorite moment with your father or something
you and your father does that really makes you proud?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Ooh man, that's that's that's a heavy one because there
are so many and you know, so many. I just
you kind of notice it every day, and especially when
you have a son and you know, he kind of
takes after you the way you took after him, and
you know, just little things that Billy will do remind
me of my dad and just kind of how I was,
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and you know, I'm in my dad's shoes now, so
a lot of it is kind of you know, obviously
a ton of incredible just you know, me as a
kid growing up, you know, going to the ball field,
him taking me to football practice, and you know, just
being my ultimate supporter and anything I chose to do,
and you know, sitting you know, getting shots up in
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the backyard until two o'clock in the morning with you know,
kind of the overhead light on in the backyard, making
all my neighbors hate my guts, and my sitting there
in a lawn chair just watching me, and you know,
a lot of a lot of those things, but I
think the greatest joy was, you know, I had a
pretty special moment. So Billy is named after my grandmother,
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who's one of the closest people in my life before
she passed away last year. Named Billy after her late
husband who I actually never got to meet, who was
my dad's my dad's dad, you know, sharing the moment
with them together that I was naming Billy after my
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dad's dad and my grandma's late late husband, who was
kind of an emotional moment for the family. And you know,
now that I've lost my grandmother, you know, since since then,
I you know, she got to be with Billy for
nine months before she passed. So it's kind of a
you know, very special day that we got to share
with the day I told them that I was naming
Billy after Grandpa Bill. And so yeah, it's a that
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that definitely sticks out. That's gonna be one that I'll
cherish for a very very very long time until I'm
an old man.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Myself, and that's gonna be a long time. That's gonna
be a very long time. Because you were so young.
I did not realize the first couple of years we
worked together that you were as young as you were,
So you got plenty of time on your hands. Larry Vaught,
what do you findest memories of or since you have kids,
(09:25):
maybe some of your proud moments of you being a father,
or you can share moment that you remember have father.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I think it's tarm My dad's been gone twenty nine
years now, which is still kind.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Of hard for me to comprehend.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
For Fortunately, a few years back, my son made me
a Father's Day or Christmas.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Give me which one. He gave it to me, but
he made a plaque and all and has a.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Picture of me and my dad when we were working together.
And that's now the first thing I see you when
I wake up in the morning. I've got a position
where it's one of the first things to look at
when I get up out of bed. So but I
was fortunate I got to work with my dad, you know,
for a number of years. But I think just my
best memory of my dad.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's just how beloved he was by others.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
How everything he did that people just said nothing but
great things about him, whether it was to his work
at the newspaper or to his work as a lay minister.
And knowing that no matter what, I was never going
to be able to be quite what he was because
he was the easiest going, the best person kindness that
I was ever around, and knowing that I was never
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going to quite meet those expectations, but he certainly had
a good example for me to follow, and.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
He did a good job. Larry Vault, I appreciate the
job he did with you. He's a craftsman. Bou Robinson.
Bo Robinson, you want to share a moment with your father.
How much time do we have? Oh, you ain't got
all that time, I know, but so many love you
and your sister.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
So many great moments with my dad. But I think
the one thing that always sticks out about my dad
and our family is that he always treated and still
does my sister and myself fairly. It was never favored
over her me whatever. He always treated us fairly. And
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I think the one moment that really brings that to
light was she won tickets years ago. She was in
sixth grade, late eighties. She won tickets to go see
New Kids on the Block and he took her in
no way. She was going to go to Riverfront Stadium
by herself, and he looked horrible. When he came back,
he said, I will never ever do anything like that again.
(11:41):
It was horrible. It was a nightmare. And he looked
at me and he said, I got to make it
up to you. So that summer nineteen eighty nine, we
bought tickets to go see the Rolling Stones on their
Steel Wheels tour at Riverfront Stadium, and he said, you
know what, let's do it again. And we went to
another concert, I think it was Bob Seeger, and then
we went to go see Joe Cocker and then he
turned around and you made it up to my sister again.
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So he always treated us fairly with each other. Just
so many great memories, whether it's UK basketball or something
simple is just going fishing.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Love them dearly. Good job, mister Robinson.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Before we go to break, I will say, and it's
funny that I'm in the process of because I do podcasting,
I do media, I work in the school district also
coaching mentor that I really I really am interested in
going and get my mechanic certification. I'm gonna do that
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on the side, like in the summers when school is
not in full go, or just on the weekends here
and there, just help out people, maybe single moms or
people who can't afford to get their car fixed at
regular rates. But I want to get certified just so
that I don't get a lossuit. And the reason I
do because when I was a really little kid, my
dad is my dad, my granddad, my aunts, uncles were
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all mechanics. So when I was really little, didn't know
what I was doing. I was squeeze it. I would
squeeze up underneath the car and to my dad and
just get oil all on my.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Hands and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And every now and then he'll tell me, because my
hands were small to grab that something to drop, He'll
have me reach my hand in and grab something. And
the first time I busted my knuckles, I was probably
twelve or thirteen, and it hurt like heck, and it's like, see,
that's what I told you. So the finest memories I
have with my dad are really working on cars or whatever.
But I would make it seem like I was really
doing something, so I would just put my hands all
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up underneath the oily parts to get my hands dirty
and act like I got to go use that green
stuff to clean them off.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And that is what I remember about my dad. Fake
it till you make it. Yeah, there you go. We
will continue this show after this.
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have Twitter and you just want to have your comments,
because there's been some big news all over Big Blue name,
I guess the state of Kentucky in general, and I
did want to discuss those things. We got a little
bit more confirmation over the past couple of days since
Monday when news broke. But Vince Merrill, the big Dog
(15:15):
is no longer wearing blue, kind of like bloods and crips.
He's going from the blue went to the red. There's
a lot of rumors in speculation. We here do not
dis discuss. We discuss facts that we know, or we
give you a platform to discuss how you feel. So
(15:36):
that's why I'm giving you all these means of communication
so you can call it.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There's a poll on Twitter right now X to see
how do you feel that there's half of the fan
base is a set that.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
It was level.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There's a lot of the fan base that was upset
that he's leaving it all, But then there's a large
person of the fan base that appreciates what he's done
here and understand all things come to an end, or
can to an end given the right circumstances. Larry Vought,
where do you stand as far as you and maybe
(16:09):
maybe we'll just take your of you. We'll get into
your followers a little later. You'll view on Vince I
departing from Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I was surprised, not stunned, because in conversations with Vince
over the last couple of years, I mean, you just
sometimes know things maybe aren't don't want to smoothly. It's
what they had before. Twelve years is a long time
for an assistant coach to be at one place, even
if you are with your friend. And I think sometimes
(16:40):
I break up can be good for everybody. But I
think this was something that I don't know that I
would say that Vance was kind of pushed out the door,
but I think the door was kind of opened. Nobody said, well,
I'm going to close it, because if you decide you
want to go, it's going to be okay. I can
(17:02):
remember back to when I work somewhere for forty one
years and then they did some things that they didn't
push me out the door, but they certainly made sure
the door was open and knew that they'd be happy
if I went out the door. And I think this
was an occasion where the time had just come that
some felt the change was needed. Maybe after you go
(17:24):
four and eight, you're looking for somebody else to kind
of say, we got to change up what they're doing
to make my job come out better. And so I
think Vince had had a lot of responsibility. And when
you have a lot of responsibility, as you know Anthony,
you don't like to give that up and drop into
a lesser role, especially if there's somewhere else that tells
(17:45):
you you can come and have just as big a
role for the same money or maybe even more in
the long run. So I think, yes, it's a I
think it's still a blow to UK football just because
of the perception of it, but things happen, So I'm
in that category. You just went wish Vince, well, remember
(18:06):
what he's done for the program. And I don't begrudge
that he went to Louisville because I think he's going
up there to work for another friend. That's what brought
him to Kentucky to start with, he was working for
a friend. And I also think when you are married
and things, sometimes you don't have maybe total say and
(18:27):
where you're going to go. And if you've got a spouse,
so would maybe like to stay relatively, would like to
say in the state where she is or something like that.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Already you factor that into.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
The equation too, what's the easiest move for my family?
And so I think Vince just had to do what
was best for him. And I've never been one ever
to be grudge anybody doing what is best for them.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
This is the home of the Wildcats. Six point thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm Anthony D. White along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Hover.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Sunday Morning Sports Talk is brought to you by country
Boy Brewing Dhing them the big guys, not to be
confused with the Big Dog. And I will say I
kind of wonder if Vince will take the title of
a Big Dog to Louisville with him and Larry Valda
(19:20):
and Jack Pilgrim. So you get to understand, big dog
is a term used in Ohio in general, I think
more specifically northeastern Ohio, because when I first got down here,
I used to call everybody big dog. But then all people,
my friends from here, they refer to me as big dog,
just because that's what we say up north. Like you
could be in a group of people and if you
make an eye contact with that person, they know you're
(19:41):
calling them big dog. Like hey, hey, big dog, go
grab me. The person you're looking at at that point
is big dog. So I'm just kind of wonder if
he takes that with him to Louisville or does he
leave some of those things here at Kentucky And you know,
started a whole new image, new brand with Louisville. But Larry,
I mean not Larry, Jack Pilgrim, your thoughts on the
(20:02):
Big Dog going to the cards.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Yeah, it's weird. It is very very weird. Yeah, I
gotta call two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
That kind of hinted at it, said, you know, somebody
had talked to Louisville administration and said, hey, you know,
apparently it's a done deal that Vince is leaving for
for Louisville. It's going to be announced here in the
next couple of weeks. You know, you hear something like that,
and you just see, know a kind of boy who
cried wolf. At this stage where you know, every off
season there's ten thousand rumors of you know, he's interviewing
(20:37):
for this job. Oh, he's a candidate for this head
coaching job. You know, YadA YadA. It almost always inevitably
leads to a raise and extension of some sort of Lexington.
So you you hear that and you're like, okay, yeah,
it is a day that ends, and why so why
wouldn't Vince be going somewhere else?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
So as we get closer.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
To that you know, announcement and you know more, the
speculation kind of ramps up and up and up, and
you're like, well, shoot, maybe there.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Is something to this.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
And then the news finally breaks you're like, well, shoot,
I never thought we'd see the day where Vince would
actually pack his bags and leave.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
And you know, it is this kind of a feel.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Of like it's this you know, sign of the times
where you know, this program kind of has.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
This you know, this is kind of the last.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Ditch effort where we're trying to figure out how a
way out of this mini rock bottom that we've hit.
Is it salvageable with Mark Soups? What does the future
look like with Mark? You know, is there a buy
in with him? What does that look like? Can we
find that momentum that is clearly lost, because you know,
(21:43):
four and eight season doesn't even kind of tell the
story of what the current apathy level is with this program.
The fan just you know, not buy in but buy
out rather just where do things stand? Kind of felt
like some type of mood move had to be made
that would really kind to you know, change things one
way or another. And this definitely kind of has that
(22:05):
vibe where if there is a chance of salvaging anything,
it does kind of feel like, hey, if we're going
to really talk about culture issues and kind of hitting
reset internally and getting back to our roots, is you know,
kind of a bring your lunch pale to work blue
collar approach. You know, we got to kind of get
you know, move forward with the guys that are willing
(22:26):
to do that. And then I thought Mark Stoop's statement
was pretty telling. When he you know, confirmed his departure,
just kind of said that we're going to continue to
prioritize attitude, culture, work, ethic, things like that, and in
the toughest conference in college football, just kind of had
that like, hmm, what message are you trying to get
across here?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
You know, I love Big Dog personally.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I think he's a you know, great dude and has
done so many great things for this Kentucky football program
over the twelve years he was here. But it did
just kind of feel like something had to give somewhere
and it wasn't going to be just a mind support
staffer here and there that was going to really kind
of uproot this thing and get, you know, try to
get the momentum back where it needed to be. So
it's weird, it's it's bizarre, it's uncomfortable, but I think
(23:12):
this program kind of needs to be comfortable being uncomfortable
here for a little bit. If there's any chance of
making this work.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, let's get to it. Jack Pum, who's a winner
and losions? And I asked you this, who is a winner?
And alusive?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
From this?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Because I will tell I will say based off what
you said, it seems like you're leaning a certain direction.
I'm going to say, if I had to pick a
if I had to pick a side on Province because
and I'll get to that throughout the show. But from
I don't disagree with your statements, I do want to
explain to me going a different direction these type of things.
(23:45):
We brought back an offensive line coach that led us
to one of the worst offense lines we've had in
several of the worst offense lines we've had in the
past fifteen years. We also give them one hundred thousand
dollars raising extension, and we are trying to move in
in another direction. To mind you, Jack Pilgrim, both of
(24:06):
these guys are Mark Stoop's boys. Like Vince's boys. So
is Wolf Wolferd. They're both his boys. So when you say,
you know, we gotta change here, we gotta change the coach.
Bringing back bringing back the office line coach probably wasn't
the best move, but it's cool because that's your boy.
(24:27):
But now it's a problem that Vince decides to take
on another endeavor for whatever reason. It could be tension.
I don't know what the reason is, but it's so
basically my simple question to you, Jack Pilgrim, is who
do you think is winning at who wins from this
this departure?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What is your initial thought? Who wins from this departure?
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I think that's very TBD at this at this stage,
I think it is It is a.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
There's a chance that both sides are losers.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Like there's a chance that you know, Kentucky's recruiting falls
off a cliff in terms of you know, getting those
four stars, you know, low five stars, the guys that
you just never would have dreamed that would make their
way to Lexington that Vince managed to get his hands
on and pull in here. Who is the guy that's
going to close on those guys? Like, Yeah, we've hit
a nice little run of three commits in the last
(25:18):
week four since the start of June. You know, you're
getting you know, starting to feel kind of that recruiting
momentum picked back up, and you know it's kind of
like a Okay, what are we selling here? What is
the you know, what is the pull? And you know
you're starting to see that, but it's still kind of
the middle of the pack. Three stars, a couple high
three stars, but can we get the talent.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
You know, we might get the good.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Culture, you know, guys who appreciate being here, but are
those guys talented enough to win football games?
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Does Vince need you know, the sec to sell and
how can he? You know, he kind of struck while
the iron was hot with you know, Kentucky build a
momentum and being a part of that change and the
why not us kind of approach. He did a great
job selling that, but how is that going to work,
you know, bringing talent into Louisville? And can he do
(26:11):
that in today's era where you know, high school relationships
aren't necessarily as important as just kind of you know,
having the money where it needs to be in.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
The portal era.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Like, it's just kind of a different time where the
Vince Marrow of twenty sixteen isn't necessarily as valuable as
the Vince Marrow of twenty twenty five as a GM.
So if there is a scenario where both sides lose here,
but you know, I think if there is a you know,
we'll have to see what the path to a you know,
winning looks like on Kentucky's side. And you know, obviously
(26:42):
if Louisville wins games with the guys Vince springs in
that's probably the easiest path to a to a win.
But you know, I still think there's something to be
said about kind of just hitting doing a hard reset
within this program and just kind of seeing what happens
if there is a path to success for stupents at
the end of the Tay.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Larry Vall, who do you see being the winner or loser? Initially?
Like we as he said, is going is obviously going
to be to be determined. But I got one factor
that I went through out there. But who do you
think is the winner and the loser from this departure?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Well, I mean, I would think just looking based on
past results, all I would say Louisville is the winner.
In Kentucky's the loser tipically, because the fact of all
the things that Vents did for the program for twelve years,
I mean, the recruiting, what he did just from public
visibility for the program and all. I think losing somebody
(27:37):
like that definitely hurts. I mean, I don't I don't
think you haven't a keep an assistant with the responsibilities
that Vin said for twelve years if and then lose
him and say it's not gonna hurt, because that's the case,
you would have had him do it all he's been
doing for twelve years. So I think it's it's it's
got a it's gotta hurt. And I've had a message
(27:58):
kind of while we were talking here this morning corrected
me that maybe Vince didn't feel like the door was open,
that he still felt just as loved and Lexington is
what he always had, so that that scenario that I
kind of thought maybe was the case is not true,
that he just left for a different opportunity. But I
(28:20):
think to me, there's no way that Kentucky is not
a loser. When you lose somebody's been that valuable as
part of your staff, and if you're setting in Louisville.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You got to feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And I will remember Anthony that I think it was
what almost two years ago when Vince was telling us
on one of our shows that now and that when
he kept comparing how college football was just like the
NFL and you had to have general managers and player
personnel managers in the free agency.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Period at all like that.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
So everything that happened is kind of exactly like what
he predicted. It was going to be and now he's
basically kind of going to go into that general manager
role at Louisville that he talked about that every school
is going to probably have to have with the way
things are going with the transfer portal, Nil and.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Larry, You're right, most schools have had that, and I
thought that that would have been a perfect fit for Vince.
Take them off the field and put them in that position.
And the question I have and we got to get
to the big gass fans hotline if you like to
join at eight five nine to eight zero two two
eight seven eight five nine to eight zero cats out.
The one thing I'm gonna ask you, Larry Vaut before
we get to the biggest fans hotline is who at
(29:27):
this point? And this is why I asked the question
to you both, who is the who can you see
on this staff that's going to illuminate our football team
like Vince did? And I'm saying every day's really not
a lot of people in the country that can do
what Vince did as far as being personable, available, you know,
just yeah, mostly just available. When you know, when you're
(29:49):
at his level, who in the program can we turn
to now when you need someone to come on really quickly,
or we need someone to go sell our brand and
market our brand.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Stoops Bush Brad, That's.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
That's a trick question, reloaded question, because because nobody will
do it as well as what Vince did, and that
was that was his greatest asset that he I mean,
I don't really I hate to kind of say he
just was the face of your program, but he was
because he was the person that was.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Always out there.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
That's not something I think Mark Stoops always feels comfortable doing.
Vince Vince does, and he was a guy out there
selling your program and promoting it. That's he's the guy
that fans knew. He was kind of the face. So
when you're out there recruiting that if he came to
a game, high school game, people all just kind of
got excited. And that's just part of what Kentucky's going
(30:39):
to lose with Vince. Maybe somebody else can can do that,
or I don't know if anybody else will be allowed
to do that. Maybe that's not what Mark Stoops wants now.
I don't know, but I don't think there'll be anybody
that can do it like what Vince did. That's that
was Vince's greatest strength, just his personality and what he
did for your program. But just promoting your.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
For you absolutely, and you know who promotes our program.
Nobody promotes our program like John Short. Let's get to
the big ass fans hotline. Good morning, John Sure, you're
a great American.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You're a great American. How y'all doing.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
We're we're getting over We're trying to get over this
hangover from from from big dog department.
Speaker 9 (31:21):
I know, I know the disappointment of wisham Well, of
wisham Well, I knows disappointment.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
We appreciate that, John, he wasn't.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
And I believe they can tell you want it and
they have a great season this year because I've believed it.
In the Coscial playoffs, I still thinking we can take
if any Georgia Alabama overy second round of two city
schools and I believe Arkansas Euro Texas Football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
It sounds like who did you leave out Tennessee and Florida?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, I will hope that will.
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Be the case. I know there'd be something, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Most people think that we're only gonna win three games,
John Short, and they don't think there will be any
SEC games that we will win, so you may stand.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Alone in those thoughts.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
I know it's all right, well.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You uh looking optimistic to it. And and uh, Murray
State's in the in the World Series.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
I know, yeah State lost. No, they're playing against Monday
at too Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, but they made it. That should make you proud.
Are you just a Kentucky fan? Are you a State
of Kentucky fan? Any team in the state.
Speaker 9 (32:39):
My favorite convers to a CEC because I say, you
never wanted Vanderbilt Georgia m three time there four hunder five?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeh got you got you well?
Speaker 9 (32:48):
And the home state doesn't meats they play Arkansas Monday.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You're going for Murray State or you're going for r SEC.
Acc Okay, I'm always going for SEC.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't know. That's kind of tough though, because I do.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I do go for the state first, and unless Louisville
is like my last choice, I will go for the
state first.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So I might go Murray State, I may go Murdy State.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Now, coach, coach, I'm like, get nud somebody else. Now
it's made to the World Series. You have to be in.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
That may be the case that remains to be seen
John Short and John Short. We appreciate the call. We
have to keep moving along because this is going to
be a long show and we got to pay bills,
so we got to get to a break. We will
be back after this year. Listen to Stockyards Bank Sunday
Morning Sports Talk on news radio six thirty WLAP. This
is the home of the Wild Guts six thirty w
(33:44):
l a P. Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk.
I'm Anthony Wide along with Jack Pilgrim, MA and Larry
Vaughugh here on this Father's Day edition of Sunday Morning
Sports Talk. Jack Pilgrim, before we go to break, you know,
we went along a little long last segment. I did
want to have you follow up who's your Who's the
(34:06):
person that you see Jeff Rubys that you can walk
up to an approach who on the staff now that
you see out in public? Or like you said, we
won't need to come on Sunday Morning Sports Talk or
you know you guys on your on your podcast. Hey,
I want to I want to bring a coach on there.
Who who is it now? That is the voice the
face that you see in public? You just go up
(34:27):
to an ask for an autograph. I don't, and I've
been around Mark Steute, but it's always been in a
professional capacity. But I'm maybe he is outgoing with I didn't.
I don't get that from him, but we were in
a professional capacity, so no one was really like galling
over him anything. So who on the staff now do
you turn to to be the face and the figure
(34:47):
Jack Coople?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
I don't know if there is a person on on
the staff that can do that, and there isn't that
that is the face and the brand that is Vince Merrow.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
But the hope is this type of departure lights of
fire under Stoops.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And I know the motivated Mark Stoops thing is, you know,
kind of just the running joke and you know what,
I don't know if Stups kind of needs to lean
into that a little bit and just kind of take
the jokes and stride and just kind of know that
it comes from a place of desperation for this fan
base that they want to see, you know, the turnaround,
and you know, to have all of us be able
(35:27):
to look at this and go, you know, we you
we counted you out. We didn't think you could do it,
but man, look at you now, you know, we we
we're hoping for that type of turnaround. It just doesn't
come from a place of confidence or optimism that that's
that that's possible. So who is that person? It might
have to be Mark Stoops. He might have to get
(35:47):
out there and do things that you know, he hasn't
been totally comfortable doing, or somebody is something that he
has been leaning on Vince to do for the last
you know decade plus, where he could kind of do
things more and you know, shake hands and you know,
have drinks with you know, the the you know donors
and important folks you know around town, you know, behind
(36:09):
the scenes. While Vince is more of the public guy,
maybe it's time for you know, Stoops to be more
of the public faith and take some of this criticism
head on and you know, use like we talked about,
use this opportunity to be you know, put your face
out there more and be on more shows and just
kind of talk about the you know, yes, we acknowledge
(36:30):
that we're in a tough spot right now, but we're
going to fix it.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
This is the path to fixing it.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
I think fans would appreciate that, you know, do they
will they believe it. I don't know that's up to
you know, for Stoops to sell, but I think the
only choice for the person to be the brand and
the face of this program right now is the guy
making a whole heck of a lot of money to
be that face.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I agree with you. I would like to have your
opinion said. There's the poll going on on social media
right now. Sixty percent is indifferent, twenty four percent is
sad that he's leaving, fourteen was changed, fourteen percent is upset.
So there's less people upset, more people sad, and some
(37:15):
in different We will continue this conversation at the top
of the hour. You're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning
sports Talk on news radio six thirty WLAP.
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