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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the home of the Wildcats. Six point thirty
w LAP Welcome back, Stockyards Banks. Sunday Morning Sports Talk
Anthony White along with Larry Vaught, coming to you from
Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky. Again
at the last in the middle of the last hour,
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we had coach Vince maryn now coach at University of Louisville,
and social media Larry Vaught has mixed has been mixed responses,
and I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm kind of with you and I felt and you've
went through this when Tubby was here. I was still
a college athlete, so it really wasn't that big of
a deal to me because I was busy worrying about football.
But I think you've probably witnessed this going through with
Tubby because you're really close with him. I think went
through the same thing with Patino a little bit probably.
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I think some of went on with Cali Perry. But
our fan base seems to get extremely irritated when someone leaves,
and like I said, I can understand that because once
you get attached to somebody, I only think I really
don't get and that's kind of what Vince kind of
spoke about and alluded to was if you're gonna talk
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about shortcomings or what I didn't accomplish, then you why
do you still want the person there? This is not
a Vince thing. My thing is a lot of the
fan base doesn't want Mark students here anymore. Pavince left
and you were upset. So if you didn't want Mark
here and Vince didn't want to be here, and I'm
not saying vincedin, I'm not saying that, I think he
was left no other option. I don't think he was
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shoved out the door. I think he had a perfect
opportunity and and everything just kind of matched up, and
there may have been he I think he may have
protected his friendship with his friend. I think there was
a little bit of some head button going on that
didn't end up. But it was just a perfect time,
it was perfect position. We could have done some things
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to make him happier here. But like you said, Larry Vaught,
I just kind of looking at some of the messages
and the messages were getting and I just appreciate him
coming on talking to us and being open and honest
about some things. But I'm not certain why people are
upset that he left. If you thought he did a
bad job, while you upset that he left, and if
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he did leave, why do we care where he goes to.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, and I saw where some were saying what he
came on he was kind of self promoting. Well that's
that's what I called and asked him to do, to
come and explain, you know, from his point of view
why he made the move, and some of the criticism
was being leveled at him, and he was just trying
to explain answer some of the criticism that's being thrown
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at him because he's as he said about the who
were recruited, who and all of that. But bottom line is,
as I said, it's just like, don't forget all the
good things Cali period did. Don't don't forget the things
that the Patino and Tubby did when when they were here,
evinced a lot of wonderful things. He's got an opportunity
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to go on and do something different now after twelve years.
I mean, for an assistant coach to stay twelve years
and to turn down the number of job opportunities that
he did, it's pretty pretty phenomenal. So now it's just
it's just time for everybody to move on. And I
think he's very sincere when he says he hopes that
the Kentucky program continues to do well. He did recruit
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a lot of the players there, He's got friends on
the coaching staff, in the office, boosters, fans and all
just like what he said. So he's not what he
wants to see Kentucky this bottom out.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I don't believe that. And again, we're both friends with him.
We've been very open about that, we don't pretend not
to be. And he's been great for our show. I mean,
he's been great for fans across Kentucky because he was
willing to come on our show and talk. Maybe it
was a little optimistic at times when he came on, Yeah,
but I mean, what are you wanting to do. He's
not called come on and say, well, we'll be lucky
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if we win a game this year. He's going to
come on and try to sell the good things about
the program. That's what made Vince vince and why he
was so good for the program and why I think
he helped Mark revive that program, because those are not
things that Mark is really good at and comfortable at.
Doing Vince, was it made for a perfect player?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I said, I kind of, I can get the
fan base, I guess, kind of being irritated, j I said,
I don't know the big problem with him going to
a little I know that is our rival, and I
mean if m Ward got a job at Louisville and
they were gonna pay him more or something else, our
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fan base is kind of hung up on that. And
that is fine, but he kind of Vince did kind
of allude to some things had probably been trending in
wrong direction. You know, when you're at the job and
they keep hiring you. You want to move up into management,
but they keep on hiring people above you and not
hiring from within. At a certain points, you kind of
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feel like where am I? When am I going to
get the opportunity to back? Like when you know, when
you can play pee Wee's baseball? Like when am I
gonna get opportunity to back? You know, I got to
go on the outfield first before I can back. But
so I could hear some things that this may have
been into making. This isn't a knee jerk thing where
everybody's saying, well him has hit him and Mark got
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into it, and he took his ball and went home.
He got upset and jump ship. I honestly, after talking
to him and knowing some of the things I know personally,
I do think it was kind of yeah, it's about
that time. And I really wish, because every time I've
heard him speak, I really wish he would have had
an opportunity to talk to Mark and has things out.
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I don't think that was gonna get him to stay,
but I think there'd been a little bit more understanding,
and there would have been a lot a lot lot
better representation of why he was leaving, how he was leaving,
and you know, maybe the relationship between the two.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, And I think looking back, both sides could probably
it admits some things like that. I think Vince is
pretty open to admit that, yeah, that maybe, or to
say that, yeah, I did mess up. I should have
got with Mark and all earlier, because he didn't have
to do that or admit that or confirm any of that.
So I give him credit for doing that. But again,
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it sounds like it's a really good opportunity for him.
He's not throwing any stones at Kentucky. He's going out
wishing him nothing but the best. Hoping for the best
at Louisville. Now that it'll be interesting to see how
some recruiting battles between Kentucky and Louisville turn out. And
maybe this, like I said, maybe this will rejuvenate Mark
Stoops and at everything. Maybe that gets him, maybe gets
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the whole Kentucky fan base energized. I don't know. But again,
if people think that you and I are going to
wish Vince not wish him well, then they just don't
know us very well. That's just not how we are.
And you know, like you say, be the same as
fan more you know went somewhere. I'm gonna wish him well.
The same with Neil Brown. I mean, any of those
guys I want to see him all do well, whether
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they're a Kentucky or somewhere else, because they've all treated
us great.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
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Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's why it's so long. It is long. It is humongous.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But you can email this big one. You can email
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get over to the big ass fans hotline and see
what Larry has to say. Good morning, Larry, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Well, I guess when the big dog left to kind
of call me off guard. You know, I had a
ild feelings told him I always truth. I don't know
whether that's the beginning of the end or he seems
right on the wall out. I didn't get to hear
all this conversation. I picked up a little bit on
the end. Or but uh, I say, I like stooge too.
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So I don't know, guys that I tell you what
I said before season, I was scheduling four games maybe maybe,
And I don't know whether he maybe looked hey and
you know, finds one doing too well too. I read
an article where, uh, Eddie Graham kind of I don't
know they Eddie seemed like Eddy Graham when they hired
him to be, you know, the head of it. You know, Uh,
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he his jobs. I like it pushed him to the bike.
But you know, I tell you what you lose all
the Ohio recruiting base. I don't know who we're going
to have to be a recruiter now, Larry, who's going
to be a recruiter and where we go from here?
I mean, yeah, that's that's the thing, you know, I
actually ask. I just don't see that Mary's gonna survive this.
I mean, I hope he does, you know. I like,
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like I said, I like the guy. You know, he
doesn't like the things for and I also like the
big dog. But well he didn't have to go to Louisville.
But I understand that. Guys, but you know what, Louisville
seemed like they're always Kentucky. People go there and and
I like the big dog. We see some key Ken Payne.
They got Kenny from his any workout to go. I
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think it's a different deal here, but.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Maybe yeah, I think I think what they've done. And
Anthony can help me with this a little bit because
he has some pretty good connections. You know that over
the last event said, over the last year year and
a half, they put a little bit more. They they've
changed the philosophy and the position coaches and there are
the coordinators are more involved in the final say on recruiting.
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And again I think you can make a case either
way for that Anthony about what's best or not my
best about that. And I think so now you've just
got to see more people out and involved, and then
the recruiting and said events just kind of being everywhere.
And you even heard Vince say that he didn't have
that wasn't a big issue with him, how that worked,
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how that change came. So I think he understands now
with all the things going on in college football, it's
hard for one man to do everything and try to
coach also, so I think anthing just gonna be the
you're going to see more of the especially with the
coordinators out doing a lot more recruiting of what we
have seen in recent years.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Thank you for the call, Larry.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I do think you were right, Larry, And I do
think it was a point where he did say he
wore a lot of hats, you know, whenever he introduced
him on the show, he wore a gang of hats,
a lot of hats. And I think the biggest thing
and I think people are going to miss when people
are talking about how bad of a job he did,
I mean, you can you can let him represent himself
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as to a testament to the guys he brought in,
because we have had guys being drafted every year and
multiple guys draft every year, which that happened until Stoop's
got here. You know, it would happen every now and then.
So you can't take the credit from us getting gods
drafted to the NFL, but also say that he's not
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bringing in the caliber of athlete. Now the guys are
not doing the work. Then the guys not doing the work,
and that's something I've you know, I've talked about Dion
Walker should have been the first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Do I blame Stu for him?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Not? Not really. Do I blame Vince for him? Not No,
not really, because Vince is the one who brought him here,
but that there are other underlying things that did leave
to Dion dropping from first round to fourth round. So
when you're saying him wearing a lot of hats, and
I think now what it's going to be, don't you
don't have the guy who's building the count or the
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connection with the family. Vince would do that. I know
Anward does a great job of billing connection. That's why
Dion Walker stayed three years. Most people thought he was
gonna leave. I thought he was gonna leave after two
years and go somewhere else where he doesn't have to
be double team all game. He can go with the
Georgia Alabama on the offense line where he gets a
lot of single opportunities. He can get more sacks, more tackles.
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But he wanted to play here at the University of Kentucky.
Maybe for as the head coach, maybe it's the position coach.
But I think now it's going to be up to
position coaches to bring in to spot the talent. But
it's also going to be up to the position coaches
to build a relationships with the family. And that's where
the struggle is going to be. That So that's where
you're talking about the recruiting corner. Maybe they may put
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that on Eddie Grant's plate too. Maybe Eddie Grant is
good at that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think I see Eddie Grant being more like stoops,
like really business like, you know, transactional, which it ain't
always good for teenagers and their parents sending their baby
off somewhere at seventeen eighteen years old to another state
to have you represent. Now anwark can absolutely make you
believe he's gonna take care. John Slarman was like that, Yeah,
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like some of the some of the other coaches are
like that. So if we got those guys on the staff,
they're gonna have step up and do it. You didn't
have Vinca just go around and do it whatever. So
that's the other that's the other point when people kind
of go and get on Vic's back about his recruiting. Now,
he really typically doesn't recruit all the players. He typically
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has the last say so on who we take and
we don't take. But we have each position coach recruiting
their talents. But we also have position coaches recruiting parts
of the nation.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So yeah, go ahead say.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
The one thing I thought Vince was so good at
in recruiting, just based on what I observed when he
was down in my area or when i'd see him
out on the road or whatever at different places, at
different schools, at games, that would be at not only
the format relationship with the player that he was recruiting,
but he was really good at identifying who is who
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was really important to that player family wise, coach wise,
friend wise, or whatever, and also making relationships with those
people I mean that's what I thought. The Vince was
really really good that he just had a inate ability
to identify who is really important in this kid's life
and going to help have an influence on him. And
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that's who Vince really did a great job I think
of identifying and building a relationship with and it's just
not something everybody can do. I mean, some people can
do it, some can't. He was just really really good
at that.
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and will probably be about, uh the state of UK,
University of Kentucky football or we had it too. We
lost a recruiting coordinated end tight ends coach NFL liaison
and what other physician, what other had am I missing
Larry Vaut.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There's one other, oh, associate head coach.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So yeah, right, yeah, it's hard to keep up with
all of them sometimes. But and again we just had
friend in there with what he was to us too,
so uh, don't try to make any secret of that.
But he wore a lot of hats, did a lot
of things. And again, if you ought to be happy
that you've got assistant coaches that other schools won't, I mean,
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that's one thing you want. You want assistant coaches at
other schools come after, so that shows you you've got
good people on your on your staff. And then stayed
for twelve years. That's a phenomenal amount of time to
be able to keep an assistant coach. And I'm a
Kentucky had him for that long. Now Louisville gets him
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in that Mark just kind of has to readjust it
didn't take him long to name he's new tight Ends
coach and seems like it seems like he's pretty qualified
to coach that position. I didn't like, say the recruiting
part of it is they kind of changed how they
were doing anyway. Now they just have to find somebody
be that relationship piece for Kentuckys. I do think you
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need somebody that can be out promoting UK football. Whether
you like Vince, didn't like Vince whatever, you can't deny
that he promoted UK football.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I agree, And now, honestly, you know this guy, and
I have another question for you know this guy. And
I'm not saying this because I'm his buddy, but I
do know and you probably can tell the retention that
Anhwar has in his room. He's really a likable guy.
Like he's professional, he's a likable guy. He's a former
player that played here, so he kind of bleeds blue.
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I think you could he could kind of step into
that role. He's a little more private Evince, But I mean,
the guy's gonna shake everybody's hands. He's gonna If he
tells he's gonna do something, he's gonna do something I
can't really think of. I don't know about bul Wear
a whole lot. I've met him a couple of times.
He seems like a bubbly guy. But that's gonna be
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the biggest thing, like you said, finding someone who can
make those connections, finding someone who's gonna be the face
of university. But the one thing about it is, and
I think has been a problem in the past. And
I mean like in the past coaches, being that Caliperry
guy or being that big dog guy. You gotta show
up every time you can't make promises because I love
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Bill Curry and one knock, I've always heard about Bill Curry.
I think he promised over promising, under delivered, and that
may have been because he stretched hisself too thin. But Vince,
there's never been a time you told me, let's see
if we can't give Vincent and there was no heads
up or nothing. Let's say, if we can't get Vincent,
Evince comes on. Cali Perry shows up every time. It
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seems to me, you may tell me the watch anytime
there is something going on in the state, anytime there
was an opportunity for him to put his team on
showcase and you know, do some kind of some fan things.
It seemed like Caliperry was always there. So you got
to find somebody who's gonna have the time to do it,
the will to do it, the want to do it,
and as as well as do their other job. And
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that's kind of where I'm kind of scratching my head.
Maybe we're going to bring somebody. I don't think you
could really bring anybody in because that would be interesting
to bring a new person in that hasn't been on
the staff, but try to sell you on the staff.
So it really has to be somebody that's already on
the staff.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, I think. I think you're right and and are
from as like I say, is the way we know him.
Absolutely could do that if that's what he decided it.
Like said, he's a lot more private. And then it
also it takes a lot of your personal time to
be vents. I mean you've got to give up a
lot of your personal time to be to go sit
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out at what's the UK softball team, to be out
watching the UK basketball team play, to be out and
about anywhere anybody asks you to come, and to do
radio shows and all like that. It's a big sacrifice
on your personal time. But Vince was always willing to
do that to try for the betterment of the program.
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Not everybody is willing to make that. Say that make
other people wrong. It's just some people value their own
personal time a little bit more than they do their
when I would say, their company time.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And I kind of wonder, I know, we got to
get to a break, and I kind of wonder maybe
if at some point Mark or Vince felt like he
was he was compensated fairly to wear all those hats, because,
as we've stayed it many times, he's paid up there
with coordinators. So if he was just a tight Ends
coach and maybe NFL liaison or just a tight Ends
coach and recruiting coordinator, one point three million dollars, maybe
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maybe a little bit steep. But again, like I said,
now we're trying to figure out how you're gonna how
you're gonna replace them, or you know, how you're gonna
make up for a lot of the things he did
and at the level he did them.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now, yeah, I still think it's a little steep to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Pay, but I think Mark Stoops trusted him enough that
if the money would be well spent. A lot of
people take the money and don't actually do the job
they do. But it is interesting. We will continue this
conversation when we come back. You're listening Stockyards Bank Sunday
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Speaker 1 (20:23):
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Speaker 3 (20:27):
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this show, and I've been doing this for years on
this show. I just bring things a question, give you
some head scratchers we discussed. We're only just discussing facts.
But this gives you ability or the opportunity for you
to conclude your opinion on matters. Not just off speculation,
not off reporter, not off These are just facts. And
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you take these facts into consideration that you decide. No ever,
I don't care to be right or wrong. Just take
the facts and you do what you want to do
with the facts. And I told you as the show started,
I am in support of coach Meryll just because he's
been a good friend of mine, the same way anybody
I've ever coached, I've liked, player I've liked. And that's
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one thing that people kind of are talking about Vince leaving. No,
he doesn't wish Ill will on Mark who's a friend
of his. He's brought these kids I'm sure he doesn't
wish ill will on the kids, but I kind of
want to not forget some things, Larry Vach and I
want kind of the people who feel if you.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Did a good job or a bad job.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I think there's other underlying circumstances on why the program
was four and eight last year, and I don't think
they all hands on on vents. And we'll find out
this year coming up if the removal events or the
departure events makes any difference on our squad. But Larry vaud,
you know who Maxwell Harriston is, Dion Walker, Benny Snell,
Windale Robinson, Lynn Bowden, you know who those people are.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I do know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I've heard of that. I enjoyed watching them.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And they all played on Sundays or are playing on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, so so Landing Young.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, So whether the.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
People we the people I named, I'm almost certain has
a strong connection in our hair, mostly because of the
guy who departed, uh the program this week.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah yeah, you can Darrin kind of art in there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's true, Windale Robinson, I don't think Wander Robinson made
it perfectly clear. I know Benny Snell was was was
a a big dog recruit, and I know for certain
that Lin Bowden doesn't come here if it's not for Events.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, same with Mike Edwards.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yes, so I just kind of like said that, so
maybe I know those dames are a little bit older,
so some people thought maybe he lost his luster or whatever.
But as you've stated here, we stated on the show,
when you talk about just the history of the program,
without some of those names, we don't really turn the corner.
And now Maxwell Harriston was just last year, Dion Walker
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was just and I don't know how much credit Events
takes for Dion, but I know for Maxwell he does.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And also don't forget we went from nineteen seventy seven
to twenty eighteen without me seeing a ten win Kentucky team,
and then we saw it twice right there, and for
you because I saw it again in twenty twenty one.
So I mean, there's a lot of good times there
and hopefully things will that Mark will kind of get
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things back going. But the bottom of mine, Mark Stews
is still the head coach. I mean, he's the guy
that's still in charge of the program, and he's the
one that when you go ten and one or you
go four to eight, the praise or the criticism starts
at the top guy, not the guy's working under him,
or at least, and that's my opinion, they contribute, but
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Mark still has the final say on what goes on
and doesn't go on with the program. And I think
Mark is owning up to that that there's some things
that he let go on last year that he shouldn't
have probably and hopefully now it's going to get straightened
back out. But you still got to have talent to
get it straightened back out. And I think you and
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I are both in the same boat that we're just
kind of waiting to see what that talent is going
to be when they get out there and start playing.
I says, right now, it's just still hard to know.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, I just kind of You've You've covered UK sports
for a long time, and this is one thing I
can't wrap my brain around. And I grew up a
Michigan fan, and I did not I'm not really a
huge Ohio State fan, just because I have know quite
a few people who went there for educational purposes and
some athletes, like I'm not really I'm not really have
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a disdain for him or anything, But.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I can't really.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I do understand the hate as an athlete or even
I guess as a as a big the Nation fan.
I do understand the hate for Louisville as a university
or from a competitive standpoint. But Craig Ye's son went
to Louisville. I had no problem with that, Like it doesn't.
I don't dislike Russ, but I don't understand what the
everybody is saying. And I think if it's another school,
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people won't be so upset. But he went and every
he went to a school that wanted him and is
coaching with a friend. And now people are saying bad
things or acting as if And that's what I keep
trying to redirect. And these were all the facts I
keep bringing. I'm trying to redirect you to what he
did accomplish here. And and like I said, uh, super
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Steve Schuper just said perfectly. Find times change, people change.
Good luck Vince, Uh, better luck for UK. But he
wishes Vince, you know, good luck on on his endeavor.
Is it is it?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Is it reality that our fan base really.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Has that much disdain from Louisville that if somebody leaves
here and goes to Louisville that is open, it's okay
to disrespect them or fall out of love with them,
or you think that's just it'll it'll, you think it'll
go away before the season starts.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I think with some that's absolutely the case. But I
think it's Vince noted. There's also a lot that maybe
aren't a vocal or not on social media or something,
that that understand it more and are still do they
wish vinces at Kentucky the wish he hadn't gone to Louisville, Yes,
but do they still consider or appreciate what Vince did
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and wish him no will will?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think there's still a lot of people like that too.
You just don't always hear from those people as much
as what you do.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The more.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Vocal folks who are the more upset are usually the
one that you hear from the most. So I think
there's a lot of people that understand what Vince did,
maybe wish he hadn't done it, but understand why he's
doing it because to him, it's a business. It's not
people are fans. Vince is a business that's just livelihood.
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That's what he's got to do, and this is just
what He's always an incredible opportunity, as he talked about,
and he took it. But again, when you look at
if you go back through the University of Kentucky football years,
you find me how many assistant coaches have been in
Kentucky for twelve years in state? Were you right?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Because a head coaching that's been there, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I can't think of a single one. I mean Mark
Stoops is the longest tenured head coach, and he's the
longest tenured assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, because you think about I'm looking at it, I'm
looking at these assistants on the staff, and I can't
think of is Vince the only one who's been here
with him the whole time. I don't know if Bifano
was on the staff, but just not in that that
that uh capacity.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, because Brad wasn't here from day one, so Bred
now takes over that role. I think it's the longest
tenured assistant coach at Kentucky and he likes it here
a lot because of what it means to his family
and all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Wow, thinking about that.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Again, it's just something a week ago. I don't think
we thought we would be talking about. Even though I've
known for a while there was a possibility that some
things might change. I wasn't sure. I thought it would
change in June, but I thought maybe it might be coming.
But again, Vince has moved on. Turkey football has been well,
they've got their new tight ends coach. Now they've got
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two months to get ready to start playing and get
their minds on that and see if you disagree with
me or not. I don't know if you will. But
Vince leaving right now I don't think impacts the twenty
twenty five season all that much because they're going to
put another position coach in, the coach his gas. The
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roster is set, and so you're in your king chemistry, good,
bad or whatever. It's there if you've already got your gas.
So I mean, I know people talk about, well, it's
terrible time to leave in June, and it might be
for the twenty twenty sixth season who you're going to
bring in, But for the twenty twenty five season, I
don't think it impacts things that much. Am I wrong
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about that, Anthony?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
No, that's what I was That's what I was thinking.
I don't think this is bad timing at all. Like
you said, the rosters are set, the guys are already
in full go doing things, and there's been some people
on Twitter who's saying, I'm not sure how available has
been for the tight Ends or apparently he said he's
been still recruiting up until this point. But I'm not
sure how available he's been for the tight Ends on
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these summer workouts, because I know Stud's been working his
guys out and doing some things from matt Rooms and
so in that aspect possibly, but I do know Vince's
assistance because he's wear so many hats. I do know
Vince's assistance in the tight end room usually does a
lot of work as well. So I'm not no, I
don't think it's gonna affect this upcoming season. So when
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you find out what happens this season, then you you
get like you said, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
look you remove Vince. Does do things get better? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Or was it worth it?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I do kind of wanted to ask him, and and
I still can't get a straight understanding of I heard
him say hit on when he was on an interview
with Louisville. I still don't get an understanding when he
keeps saying that he wished he had talked to Stoop's earlier,
like it seems, I get one, there's one part of
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feeling and talking to a certain group of people that
they hadn't been talking. So I don't know if it
was controversy that they hadn't been talking, or the other
point of it was maybe they just were both busy.
You know, it's the off season. Everybody's doing their thing.
But I assume if it's gonna be something of this
magnitude that Mark Stoops, you make time for him. I'm
sure he got his personal number of it. I know
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he knows his address, does that not? Is that something
that kind of has you scratching your head on why
they hadn't spoken in such a long time or it
sounds like it's been a long time that they hadn't spoken.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Well, I think the Kentucky football and you might know
the dates on this better than I do, but players
and coaches take their break kind of toward the end
of May. Is that right, They're gone for a couple
of weeks in there, and I think, and again I'm
just speculating, but this was at the time, and as
event said, when the news did break that he planned
on talking to Stoops on Saturday at their showcase camp
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at the Stoops that had to leave to go out
to his son's graduation, and it didn't catch him. Wasn't
prepared for that news to leak, and maybe Vince hadn't.
I mean again, I'm just speculating. Maybe Vince hadn't sit
down and talked to Hi about it because he hadn't
made his mind it for sure he was going to
take it then that coming that weekend, that's when he
had decided, Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going
to sit down and tell Mark about that. And I
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think that's when Vince admitted, yeah, he should have done it,
but the timing didn't work out. I guess you don't
want to tell a guy's getting ready to call to
his son and graduation. He talked to you, I think
I'm getting ready to leave you and I'm going to
leave you for Louisville. I'm going to do it next
week or something. So maybe he felt like that, and
again he wasn't prepared for that leak out the way
that it did. It's still interesting to think and wonder
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how that all did happen, But I think they probably
have talked a lot more in the last four or
five days and what a lot of people think that
they have and I do. At first, I thought they're
not partnering on great terms. Now, after I've talked to
some other people, I believe that things are okay. Yes,
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stoops wished he had stayed. There's still buddies, they'll be friends,
but now they're going to go different directions. And I
know I've also heard a lot of people say events
hasn't he been recruiting.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
He's been.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
He's checked out for a while, but I think with
the way they've restructured things, Vince is not out recruiting
as much because he's not as responsible for doing as
many or having as many areas that he was recruiting
is what he once did. So I don't think it's
right that people say that he's checked out on recruiting,
because I know there's one player where I live that
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he's been around to see in the Kentucky capacity recently,
and this young man is just a junior, and Vince
has been down and around, So I don't think he
just checked out on recruiting like some people have indicated
that he did.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, I said, there I can't remember who the guy was,
but I did watch his interviews. Uh, I did listen
to his interviews on YouTube with the guy from liul
Venex said there were some there's a couple of things
that but I before we get to the last segment
and we leave, you said, I'm trying to I understand
(34:09):
what you're saying, but I'm trying to figure out if
they had talked, And it sounds like you were saying
if they had taught there's a small possibility that maybe
he wanted maybe Mark could have offered him something that
would have kept.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Persuade him to stay.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Maybe the conversation would have went to, well, this is
why I want to leave, and they may be able
to hash it out. So the conversation, so it seems
like the decision was made without being able to talk
to Mark and you and then you kind of sound
as if you're saying the same thing like he wanted
to talk to him. That don't mean talk. So there's
a talk of hey, look I'm leaving. I appreciate everything
you've done for me. You still my boy, you got
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my number, And there's a talk of yeah, man, I'm
really just not happy. I think I'm over here talking
to this person, and then you know, that gives Mark
the opportunity to say, well, what I got to do
to keep you to stay?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah, well, I know a couple of times in my
career when I just changed what I was doing freelance wise,
not my main job, but just freelance wise, and I
changed and took a different opportunity. And when I told
the place where I was that I was leading to
do this, and then it was always oh, man, we
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can do it. And I said, well, you know, it's
been eleven years and you didn't do any of that
for me. This other place is going to do it
for me starting the very first day. So no, I
appreciate this, he said, appreciate what you've done for me,
but I'm going to go over here with this other
other company because that's what they're going to let me
do from day one. So a lot of things enter
into it, and I think it's never I don't think
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it was probably easy for Vince to tell Mark he
was leaving. It is another thing I think that was
probably maybe a conversation Vince was kind of dreading a
little bit of himself. Maybe he was kind of putting
it off as long as he as long as he could.
I think that's just human nature that most of us
don't like to have uncomfortable conversations. Due that was going
to kind of be uncomfortable leave at Kentucky, leaving his
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childhood friend and all of that. So but again, bottom line,
now it's over and done. Everybody just got to kind
of move on. And I think we're both in agreement.
We wish Fence the best, and then we also wish
Mark Soup's the best for what's coming up for the
twenty twenty five season, because we don't want to see
Kentucky go four and eight again.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I agree with that. We will be back to close
out this Father's Day edition.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Of Sunday Morne in Sports Talk when we come back,
you were listening Stockyards Bank Sunday one in Sports Talk
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Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Welcome back Stockyards Bank, Sunday one. In Sports Talk, I'm
Anthony White along with Larry vaugh and bol Robinson keeping
us on air and platters didn't matter.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Oh, We've had plenty of platters that matter this morning.
Break it down for me to I will break it down. Yeah,
we kind of straight away from the Father's Day playlist
because we lost two icons the sixties last week sly Stone,
Slye the family Stone passed away eighty two years old.
And you want to talk about an innovator of funk
(37:09):
and throwing together a hybrid of rock and roll, soul
music and funk and just making it his own and
really laid the foundation for George Clinton Parliament Funkadelic two
that you and I Anthony really like. Slastone was it.
If you ever get a chance and you want to
see one of the best performances at Woodstock, it's Slyestone
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set at three am on a Sunday morning. Rest in peace,
sly Stone, and also rest in peace Brian Wilson of
the Beach Boys. By the way, sly Stone played Memorial
Coliseum back in the mid seventies, Larry, were you there
for that.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Teenth to nineteen seventy three? I was on road four Wow,
standing on the chair.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
That's what I wanted to hear.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
One of the first dates I had with my wife,
and I was pretty sure the next morning when I
look back at what I did, that probably the Lafe
date I wouldever, would never go out with me again.
To say that I got a little carried away because
I was enjoyed sly would be a gigantic understatement. But
luckily she understood my enthusiasm and give me a chance,
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and we continued to date.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Larry, did you dance to the music?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Oh? Are you getting the moves? I had around? I
thought they were. Now according to my wife, they weren't
quite as good as I thought they were.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Did you have a mullet?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Larry?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Just long hair?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Just long hair?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
And we got to say rest in beast to the
great Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, who passed away
last week to eighty two years old, the creative genius
behind the Beach Boys. Don't you dare ever talking about
the greatest rock and roll bands of America and now
mentioned the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah. I've saw them several times, including once at Hilton
Head just by chance that we were in their own
vacation and they were playing and when and that was
in the latter years of that group's all being together. Yeah,
one of my all time favorite groups.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
They played Reparena a couple of times, and they played
the Kentucky Horse Park. I think in the late nineties too.
Never had a chance to see them, but I've always
loved the Beach Boys.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Always there you go. That is the show.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Happy Father's Day to everybody. Thanks Vince Big Dog for
joining us this morning. Jack Pilgrim, Happy father's second. Happy
Father's Day to you. Appreciate you, Larry Vald, always appreciate you.
We've been doing this almost twenty years, Larry Vadd always
appreciates you. Happy Father's Day to you both. Thanks for
playing the platters the matter, keeping us on air. I
am Anthony White and this has been Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning,
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the Sports Talk on News Radio six point thirty w
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This is the home of the Wildcats. Six point thirty
w LAP Welcome back, Stockyards Banks. Sunday Morning Sports Talk
Anthony White along with Larry Vaught, coming to you from
Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky. Again
at the last in the middle of the last hour,
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we had coach Vince maryn now coach at University of Louisville,
and social media Larry Vaught has mixed has been mixed responses,
and I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm kind of with you and I felt and you've
went through this when Tubby was here. I was still
a college athlete, so it really wasn't that big of
a deal to me because I was busy worrying about football.
But I think you've probably witnessed this going through with
Tubby because you're really close with him. I think went
through the same thing with Patino a little bit probably.
(01:05):
I think some of went on with Cali Perry. But
our fan base seems to get extremely irritated when someone leaves,
and like I said, I can understand that because once
you get attached to somebody, I only think I really
don't get and that's kind of what Vince kind of
spoke about and alluded to was if you're gonna talk
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about shortcomings or what I didn't accomplish, then you why
do you still want the person there? This is not
a Vince thing. My thing is a lot of the
fan base doesn't want Mark students here anymore. Pavince left
and you were upset. So if you didn't want Mark
here and Vince didn't want to be here, and I'm
not saying vincedin, I'm not saying that, I think he
was left no other option. I don't think he was
(01:47):
shoved out the door. I think he had a perfect
opportunity and and everything just kind of matched up, and
there may have been he I think he may have
protected his friendship with his friend. I think there was
a little bit of some head button going on that
didn't end up. But it was just a perfect time,
it was perfect position. We could have done some things
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to make him happier here. But like you said, Larry Vaught,
I just kind of looking at some of the messages
and the messages were getting and I just appreciate him
coming on talking to us and being open and honest
about some things. But I'm not certain why people are
upset that he left. If you thought he did a
bad job, while you upset that he left, and if
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he did leave, why do we care where he goes to.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, and I saw where some were saying what he
came on he was kind of self promoting. Well that's
that's what I called and asked him to do, to
come and explain, you know, from his point of view
why he made the move, and some of the criticism
was being leveled at him, and he was just trying
to explain answer some of the criticism that's being thrown
(02:56):
at him because he's as he said about the who
were recruited, who and all of that. But bottom line is,
as I said, it's just like, don't forget all the
good things Cali period did. Don't don't forget the things
that the Patino and Tubby did when when they were here,
evinced a lot of wonderful things. He's got an opportunity
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to go on and do something different now after twelve years.
I mean, for an assistant coach to stay twelve years
and to turn down the number of job opportunities that
he did, it's pretty pretty phenomenal. So now it's just
it's just time for everybody to move on. And I
think he's very sincere when he says he hopes that
the Kentucky program continues to do well. He did recruit
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a lot of the players there, He's got friends on
the coaching staff, in the office, boosters, fans and all
just like what he said. So he's not what he
wants to see Kentucky this bottom out.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I don't believe that. And again, we're both friends with him.
We've been very open about that, we don't pretend not
to be. And he's been great for our show. I mean,
he's been great for fans across Kentucky because he was
willing to come on our show and talk. Maybe it
was a little optimistic at times when he came on, Yeah,
but I mean, what are you wanting to do. He's
not called come on and say, well, we'll be lucky
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if we win a game this year. He's going to
come on and try to sell the good things about
the program. That's what made Vince vince and why he
was so good for the program and why I think
he helped Mark revive that program, because those are not
things that Mark is really good at and comfortable at.
Doing Vince, was it made for a perfect player?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I said, I kind of, I can get the
fan base, I guess, kind of being irritated, j I said,
I don't know the big problem with him going to
a little I know that is our rival, and I
mean if m Ward got a job at Louisville and
they were gonna pay him more or something else, our
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fan base is kind of hung up on that. And
that is fine, but he kind of Vince did kind
of allude to some things had probably been trending in
wrong direction. You know, when you're at the job and
they keep hiring you. You want to move up into management,
but they keep on hiring people above you and not
hiring from within. At a certain points, you kind of
(05:12):
feel like where am I? When am I going to
get the opportunity to back? Like when you know, when
you can play pee Wee's baseball? Like when am I
gonna get opportunity to back? You know, I got to
go on the outfield first before I can back. But
so I could hear some things that this may have
been into making. This isn't a knee jerk thing where
everybody's saying, well him has hit him and Mark got
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into it, and he took his ball and went home.
He got upset and jump ship. I honestly, after talking
to him and knowing some of the things I know personally,
I do think it was kind of yeah, it's about
that time. And I really wish, because every time I've
heard him speak, I really wish he would have had
an opportunity to talk to Mark and has things out.
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I don't think that was gonna get him to stay,
but I think there'd been a little bit more understanding,
and there would have been a lot a lot lot
better representation of why he was leaving, how he was leaving,
and you know, maybe the relationship between the two.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, And I think looking back, both sides could probably
it admits some things like that. I think Vince is
pretty open to admit that, yeah, that maybe, or to
say that, yeah, I did mess up. I should have
got with Mark and all earlier, because he didn't have
to do that or admit that or confirm any of that.
So I give him credit for doing that. But again,
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it sounds like it's a really good opportunity for him.
He's not throwing any stones at Kentucky. He's going out
wishing him nothing but the best. Hoping for the best
at Louisville. Now that it'll be interesting to see how
some recruiting battles between Kentucky and Louisville turn out. And
maybe this, like I said, maybe this will rejuvenate Mark
Stoops and at everything. Maybe that gets him, maybe gets
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the whole Kentucky fan base energized. I don't know. But again,
if people think that you and I are going to
wish Vince not wish him well, then they just don't
know us very well. That's just not how we are.
And you know, like you say, be the same as
fan more you know went somewhere. I'm gonna wish him well.
The same with Neil Brown. I mean, any of those
guys I want to see him all do well, whether
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they're a Kentucky or somewhere else, because they've all treated
us great.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Absolutely, And if you like to get on the big
ass fans hotline eight five nine to eight zero two
two eight seven eight five nine two eight zero catch
And as I stated at the beginning of the show,
we do have an email address this Sunday Morning Sports
Talk at gmail dot com, which is set up several
years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's why it's so long. It is long. It is humongous.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But you can email this big one. You can email
this as you can get on the show. But let's
get over to the big ass fans hotline and see
what Larry has to say. Good morning, Larry, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Well, I guess when the big dog left to kind
of call me off guard. You know, I had a
ild feelings told him I always truth. I don't know
whether that's the beginning of the end or he seems
right on the wall out. I didn't get to hear
all this conversation. I picked up a little bit on
the end. Or but uh, I say, I like stooge too.
(08:13):
So I don't know, guys that I tell you what
I said before season, I was scheduling four games maybe maybe,
And I don't know whether he maybe looked hey and
you know, finds one doing too well too. I read
an article where, uh, Eddie Graham kind of I don't
know they Eddie seemed like Eddy Graham when they hired
him to be, you know, the head of it. You know, Uh,
(08:36):
he his jobs. I like it pushed him to the bike.
But you know, I tell you what you lose all
the Ohio recruiting base. I don't know who we're going
to have to be a recruiter now, Larry, who's going
to be a recruiter and where we go from here?
I mean, yeah, that's that's the thing, you know, I
actually ask. I just don't see that Mary's gonna survive this.
I mean, I hope he does, you know. I like,
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like I said, I like the guy. You know, he
doesn't like the things for and I also like the
big dog. But well he didn't have to go to Louisville.
But I understand that. Guys, but you know what, Louisville
seemed like they're always Kentucky. People go there and and
I like the big dog. We see some key Ken Payne.
They got Kenny from his any workout to go. I
(09:19):
think it's a different deal here, but.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Maybe yeah, I think I think what they've done. And
Anthony can help me with this a little bit because
he has some pretty good connections. You know that over
the last event said, over the last year year and
a half, they put a little bit more. They they've
changed the philosophy and the position coaches and there are
the coordinators are more involved in the final say on recruiting.
(09:45):
And again I think you can make a case either
way for that Anthony about what's best or not my
best about that. And I think so now you've just
got to see more people out and involved, and then
the recruiting and said events just kind of being everywhere.
And you even heard Vince say that he didn't have
that wasn't a big issue with him, how that worked,
(10:08):
how that change came. So I think he understands now
with all the things going on in college football, it's
hard for one man to do everything and try to
coach also, so I think anthing just gonna be the
you're going to see more of the especially with the
coordinators out doing a lot more recruiting of what we
have seen in recent years.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Thank you for the call, Larry.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I do think you were right, Larry, And I do
think it was a point where he did say he
wore a lot of hats, you know, whenever he introduced
him on the show, he wore a gang of hats,
a lot of hats. And I think the biggest thing
and I think people are going to miss when people
are talking about how bad of a job he did,
I mean, you can you can let him represent himself
(10:51):
as to a testament to the guys he brought in,
because we have had guys being drafted every year and
multiple guys draft every year, which that happened until Stoop's
got here. You know, it would happen every now and then.
So you can't take the credit from us getting gods
drafted to the NFL, but also say that he's not
(11:12):
bringing in the caliber of athlete. Now the guys are
not doing the work. Then the guys not doing the work,
and that's something I've you know, I've talked about Dion
Walker should have been the first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Do I blame Stu for him?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Not? Not really. Do I blame Vince for him? Not No,
not really, because Vince is the one who brought him here,
but that there are other underlying things that did leave
to Dion dropping from first round to fourth round. So
when you're saying him wearing a lot of hats, and
I think now what it's going to be, don't you
don't have the guy who's building the count or the
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connection with the family. Vince would do that. I know
Anward does a great job of billing connection. That's why
Dion Walker stayed three years. Most people thought he was
gonna leave. I thought he was gonna leave after two
years and go somewhere else where he doesn't have to
be double team all game. He can go with the
Georgia Alabama on the offense line where he gets a
lot of single opportunities. He can get more sacks, more tackles.
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But he wanted to play here at the University of Kentucky.
Maybe for as the head coach, maybe it's the position coach.
But I think now it's going to be up to
position coaches to bring in to spot the talent. But
it's also going to be up to the position coaches
to build a relationships with the family. And that's where
the struggle is going to be. That So that's where
you're talking about the recruiting corner. Maybe they may put
(12:24):
that on Eddie Grant's plate too. Maybe Eddie Grant is
good at that.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think I see Eddie Grant being more like stoops,
like really business like, you know, transactional, which it ain't
always good for teenagers and their parents sending their baby
off somewhere at seventeen eighteen years old to another state
to have you represent. Now anwark can absolutely make you
believe he's gonna take care. John Slarman was like that, Yeah,
(12:50):
like some of the some of the other coaches are
like that. So if we got those guys on the staff,
they're gonna have step up and do it. You didn't
have Vinca just go around and do it whatever. So
that's the other that's the other point when people kind
of go and get on Vic's back about his recruiting. Now,
he really typically doesn't recruit all the players. He typically
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has the last say so on who we take and
we don't take. But we have each position coach recruiting
their talents. But we also have position coaches recruiting parts
of the nation.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So yeah, go ahead say.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
The one thing I thought Vince was so good at
in recruiting, just based on what I observed when he
was down in my area or when i'd see him
out on the road or whatever at different places, at
different schools, at games, that would be at not only
the format relationship with the player that he was recruiting,
but he was really good at identifying who is who
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was really important to that player family wise, coach wise,
friend wise, or whatever, and also making relationships with those
people I mean that's what I thought. The Vince was
really really good that he just had a inate ability
to identify who is really important in this kid's life
and going to help have an influence on him. And
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that's who Vince really did a great job I think
of identifying and building a relationship with and it's just
not something everybody can do. I mean, some people can
do it, some can't. He was just really really good
at that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
We will continue this conversation after this break. You were
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Speaker 3 (14:36):
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and will probably be about, uh the state of UK,
University of Kentucky football or we had it too. We
lost a recruiting coordinated end tight ends coach NFL liaison
and what other physician, what other had am I missing
Larry Vaut.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
There's one other, oh, associate head coach.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
So yeah, right, yeah, it's hard to keep up with
all of them sometimes. But and again we just had
friend in there with what he was to us too,
so uh, don't try to make any secret of that.
But he wore a lot of hats, did a lot
of things. And again, if you ought to be happy
that you've got assistant coaches that other schools won't, I mean,
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that's one thing you want. You want assistant coaches at
other schools come after, so that shows you you've got
good people on your on your staff. And then stayed
for twelve years. That's a phenomenal amount of time to
be able to keep an assistant coach. And I'm a
Kentucky had him for that long. Now Louisville gets him
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in that Mark just kind of has to readjust it
didn't take him long to name he's new tight Ends
coach and seems like it seems like he's pretty qualified
to coach that position. I didn't like, say the recruiting
part of it is they kind of changed how they
were doing anyway. Now they just have to find somebody
be that relationship piece for Kentuckys. I do think you
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need somebody that can be out promoting UK football. Whether
you like Vince, didn't like Vince whatever, you can't deny
that he promoted UK football.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I agree, And now, honestly, you know this guy, and
I have another question for you know this guy. And
I'm not saying this because I'm his buddy, but I
do know and you probably can tell the retention that
Anhwar has in his room. He's really a likable guy.
Like he's professional, he's a likable guy. He's a former
player that played here, so he kind of bleeds blue.
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I think you could he could kind of step into
that role. He's a little more private Evince, But I mean,
the guy's gonna shake everybody's hands. He's gonna If he
tells he's gonna do something, he's gonna do something I
can't really think of. I don't know about bul Wear
a whole lot. I've met him a couple of times.
He seems like a bubbly guy. But that's gonna be
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the biggest thing, like you said, finding someone who can
make those connections, finding someone who's gonna be the face
of university. But the one thing about it is, and
I think has been a problem in the past. And
I mean like in the past coaches, being that Caliperry
guy or being that big dog guy. You gotta show
up every time you can't make promises because I love
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Bill Curry and one knock, I've always heard about Bill Curry.
I think he promised over promising, under delivered, and that
may have been because he stretched hisself too thin. But Vince,
there's never been a time you told me, let's see
if we can't give Vincent and there was no heads
up or nothing. Let's say, if we can't get Vincent,
Evince comes on. Cali Perry shows up every time. It
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seems to me, you may tell me the watch anytime
there is something going on in the state, anytime there
was an opportunity for him to put his team on
showcase and you know, do some kind of some fan things.
It seemed like Caliperry was always there. So you got
to find somebody who's gonna have the time to do it,
the will to do it, the want to do it,
and as as well as do their other job. And
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that's kind of where I'm kind of scratching my head.
Maybe we're going to bring somebody. I don't think you
could really bring anybody in because that would be interesting
to bring a new person in that hasn't been on
the staff, but try to sell you on the staff.
So it really has to be somebody that's already on
the staff.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, I think. I think you're right and and are
from as like I say, is the way we know him.
Absolutely could do that if that's what he decided it.
Like said, he's a lot more private. And then it
also it takes a lot of your personal time to
be vents. I mean you've got to give up a
lot of your personal time to be to go sit
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out at what's the UK softball team, to be out
watching the UK basketball team play, to be out and
about anywhere anybody asks you to come, and to do
radio shows and all like that. It's a big sacrifice
on your personal time. But Vince was always willing to
do that to try for the betterment of the program.
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Not everybody is willing to make that. Say that make
other people wrong. It's just some people value their own
personal time a little bit more than they do their
when I would say, their company time.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And I kind of wonder, I know, we got to
get to a break, and I kind of wonder maybe
if at some point Mark or Vince felt like he
was he was compensated fairly to wear all those hats, because,
as we've stayed it many times, he's paid up there
with coordinators. So if he was just a tight Ends
coach and maybe NFL liaison or just a tight Ends
coach and recruiting coordinator, one point three million dollars, maybe
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maybe a little bit steep. But again, like I said,
now we're trying to figure out how you're gonna how
you're gonna replace them, or you know, how you're gonna
make up for a lot of the things he did
and at the level he did them.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now, yeah, I still think it's a little steep to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Pay, but I think Mark Stoops trusted him enough that
if the money would be well spent. A lot of
people take the money and don't actually do the job
they do. But it is interesting. We will continue this
conversation when we come back. You're listening Stockyards Bank Sunday
Morning Sports Talk on news Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
This is the Home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Welcome back Stockyards Banks Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught. This hour Sunday Morning Sports
Talk is brought to you by Country Boy Brewing Larry Vaught.
As we close out this show, this Father's Day edition
of Sunday Morning Sports Talk. And I do this on
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this show, and I've been doing this for years on
this show. I just bring things a question, give you
some head scratchers we discussed. We're only just discussing facts.
But this gives you ability or the opportunity for you
to conclude your opinion on matters. Not just off speculation,
not off reporter, not off These are just facts. And
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you take these facts into consideration that you decide. No ever,
I don't care to be right or wrong. Just take
the facts and you do what you want to do
with the facts. And I told you as the show started,
I am in support of coach Meryll just because he's
been a good friend of mine, the same way anybody
I've ever coached, I've liked, player I've liked. And that's
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one thing that people kind of are talking about Vince leaving. No,
he doesn't wish Ill will on Mark who's a friend
of his. He's brought these kids I'm sure he doesn't
wish ill will on the kids, but I kind of
want to not forget some things, Larry Vach and I
want kind of the people who feel if you.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Did a good job or a bad job.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I think there's other underlying circumstances on why the program
was four and eight last year, and I don't think
they all hands on on vents. And we'll find out
this year coming up if the removal events or the
departure events makes any difference on our squad. But Larry vaud,
you know who Maxwell Harriston is, Dion Walker, Benny Snell,
Windale Robinson, Lynn Bowden, you know who those people are.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I do know.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
I've heard of that. I enjoyed watching them.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And they all played on Sundays or are playing on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, so so Landing Young.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, So whether the.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
People we the people I named, I'm almost certain has
a strong connection in our hair, mostly because of the
guy who departed, uh the program this week.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah yeah, you can Darrin kind of art in there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's true, Windale Robinson, I don't think Wander Robinson made
it perfectly clear. I know Benny Snell was was was
a a big dog recruit, and I know for certain
that Lin Bowden doesn't come here if it's not for Events.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, same with Mike Edwards.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yes, so I just kind of like said that, so
maybe I know those dames are a little bit older,
so some people thought maybe he lost his luster or whatever.
But as you've stated here, we stated on the show,
when you talk about just the history of the program,
without some of those names, we don't really turn the corner.
And now Maxwell Harriston was just last year, Dion Walker
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was just and I don't know how much credit Events
takes for Dion, but I know for Maxwell he does.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
And also don't forget we went from nineteen seventy seven
to twenty eighteen without me seeing a ten win Kentucky team,
and then we saw it twice right there, and for
you because I saw it again in twenty twenty one.
So I mean, there's a lot of good times there
and hopefully things will that Mark will kind of get
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things back going. But the bottom of mine, Mark Stews
is still the head coach. I mean, he's the guy
that's still in charge of the program, and he's the
one that when you go ten and one or you
go four to eight, the praise or the criticism starts
at the top guy, not the guy's working under him,
or at least, and that's my opinion, they contribute, but
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Mark still has the final say on what goes on
and doesn't go on with the program. And I think
Mark is owning up to that that there's some things
that he let go on last year that he shouldn't
have probably and hopefully now it's going to get straightened
back out. But you still got to have talent to
get it straightened back out. And I think you and
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I are both in the same boat that we're just
kind of waiting to see what that talent is going
to be when they get out there and start playing.
I says, right now, it's just still hard to know.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, I just kind of You've You've covered UK sports
for a long time, and this is one thing I
can't wrap my brain around. And I grew up a
Michigan fan, and I did not I'm not really a
huge Ohio State fan, just because I have know quite
a few people who went there for educational purposes and
some athletes, like I'm not really I'm not really have
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a disdain for him or anything, But.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I can't really.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I do understand the hate as an athlete or even
I guess as a as a big the Nation fan.
I do understand the hate for Louisville as a university
or from a competitive standpoint. But Craig Ye's son went
to Louisville. I had no problem with that, Like it doesn't.
I don't dislike Russ, but I don't understand what the
everybody is saying. And I think if it's another school,
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people won't be so upset. But he went and every
he went to a school that wanted him and is
coaching with a friend. And now people are saying bad
things or acting as if And that's what I keep
trying to redirect. And these were all the facts I
keep bringing. I'm trying to redirect you to what he
did accomplish here. And and like I said, uh, super
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Steve Schuper just said perfectly. Find times change, people change.
Good luck Vince, Uh, better luck for UK. But he
wishes Vince, you know, good luck on on his endeavor.
Is it is it?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Is it reality that our fan base really.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Has that much disdain from Louisville that if somebody leaves
here and goes to Louisville that is open, it's okay
to disrespect them or fall out of love with them,
or you think that's just it'll it'll, you think it'll
go away before the season starts.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I think with some that's absolutely the case. But I
think it's Vince noted. There's also a lot that maybe
aren't a vocal or not on social media or something,
that that understand it more and are still do they
wish vinces at Kentucky the wish he hadn't gone to Louisville, Yes,
but do they still consider or appreciate what Vince did
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and wish him no will will?
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think there's still a lot of people like that too.
You just don't always hear from those people as much
as what you do.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The more.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Vocal folks who are the more upset are usually the
one that you hear from the most. So I think
there's a lot of people that understand what Vince did,
maybe wish he hadn't done it, but understand why he's
doing it because to him, it's a business. It's not
people are fans. Vince is a business that's just livelihood.
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That's what he's got to do, and this is just
what He's always an incredible opportunity, as he talked about,
and he took it. But again, when you look at
if you go back through the University of Kentucky football years,
you find me how many assistant coaches have been in
Kentucky for twelve years in state? Were you right?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Because a head coaching that's been there, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I can't think of a single one. I mean Mark
Stoops is the longest tenured head coach, and he's the
longest tenured assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, because you think about I'm looking at it, I'm
looking at these assistants on the staff, and I can't
think of is Vince the only one who's been here
with him the whole time. I don't know if Bifano
was on the staff, but just not in that that
that uh capacity.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, because Brad wasn't here from day one, so Bred
now takes over that role. I think it's the longest
tenured assistant coach at Kentucky and he likes it here
a lot because of what it means to his family
and all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Wow, thinking about that.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Again, it's just something a week ago. I don't think
we thought we would be talking about. Even though I've
known for a while there was a possibility that some
things might change. I wasn't sure. I thought it would
change in June, but I thought maybe it might be coming.
But again, Vince has moved on. Turkey football has been well,
they've got their new tight ends coach. Now they've got
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two months to get ready to start playing and get
their minds on that and see if you disagree with
me or not. I don't know if you will. But
Vince leaving right now I don't think impacts the twenty
twenty five season all that much because they're going to
put another position coach in, the coach his gas. The
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roster is set, and so you're in your king chemistry, good,
bad or whatever. It's there if you've already got your gas.
So I mean, I know people talk about, well, it's
terrible time to leave in June, and it might be
for the twenty twenty sixth season who you're going to
bring in, But for the twenty twenty five season, I
don't think it impacts things that much. Am I wrong
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about that, Anthony?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
No, that's what I was That's what I was thinking.
I don't think this is bad timing at all. Like
you said, the rosters are set, the guys are already
in full go doing things, and there's been some people
on Twitter who's saying, I'm not sure how available has
been for the tight Ends or apparently he said he's
been still recruiting up until this point. But I'm not
sure how available he's been for the tight Ends on
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these summer workouts, because I know Stud's been working his
guys out and doing some things from matt Rooms and
so in that aspect possibly, but I do know Vince's
assistance because he's wear so many hats. I do know
Vince's assistance in the tight end room usually does a
lot of work as well. So I'm not no, I
don't think it's gonna affect this upcoming season. So when
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you find out what happens this season, then you you
get like you said, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
look you remove Vince. Does do things get better? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Or was it worth it?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I do kind of wanted to ask him, and and
I still can't get a straight understanding of I heard
him say hit on when he was on an interview
with Louisville. I still don't get an understanding when he
keeps saying that he wished he had talked to Stoop's earlier,
like it seems, I get one, there's one part of
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feeling and talking to a certain group of people that
they hadn't been talking. So I don't know if it
was controversy that they hadn't been talking, or the other
point of it was maybe they just were both busy.
You know, it's the off season. Everybody's doing their thing.
But I assume if it's gonna be something of this
magnitude that Mark Stoops, you make time for him. I'm
sure he got his personal number of it. I know
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he knows his address, does that not? Is that something
that kind of has you scratching your head on why
they hadn't spoken in such a long time or it
sounds like it's been a long time that they hadn't spoken.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Well, I think the Kentucky football and you might know
the dates on this better than I do, but players
and coaches take their break kind of toward the end
of May. Is that right, They're gone for a couple
of weeks in there, and I think, and again I'm
just speculating, but this was at the time, and as
event said, when the news did break that he planned
on talking to Stoops on Saturday at their showcase camp
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at the Stoops that had to leave to go out
to his son's graduation, and it didn't catch him. Wasn't
prepared for that news to leak, and maybe Vince hadn't.
I mean again, I'm just speculating. Maybe Vince hadn't sit
down and talked to Hi about it because he hadn't
made his mind it for sure he was going to
take it then that coming that weekend, that's when he
had decided, Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going
to sit down and tell Mark about that. And I
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think that's when Vince admitted, yeah, he should have done it,
but the timing didn't work out. I guess you don't
want to tell a guy's getting ready to call to
his son and graduation. He talked to you, I think
I'm getting ready to leave you and I'm going to
leave you for Louisville. I'm going to do it next
week or something. So maybe he felt like that, and
again he wasn't prepared for that leak out the way
that it did. It's still interesting to think and wonder
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how that all did happen, But I think they probably
have talked a lot more in the last four or
five days and what a lot of people think that
they have and I do. At first, I thought they're
not partnering on great terms. Now, after I've talked to
some other people, I believe that things are okay. Yes,
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stoops wished he had stayed. There's still buddies, they'll be friends,
but now they're going to go different directions. And I
know I've also heard a lot of people say events
hasn't he been recruiting.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
He's been.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
He's checked out for a while, but I think with
the way they've restructured things, Vince is not out recruiting
as much because he's not as responsible for doing as
many or having as many areas that he was recruiting
is what he once did. So I don't think it's
right that people say that he's checked out on recruiting,
because I know there's one player where I live that
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he's been around to see in the Kentucky capacity recently,
and this young man is just a junior, and Vince
has been down and around, So I don't think he
just checked out on recruiting like some people have indicated
that he did.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, I said, there I can't remember who the guy was,
but I did watch his interviews. Uh, I did listen
to his interviews on YouTube with the guy from liul
Venex said there were some there's a couple of things
that but I before we get to the last segment
and we leave, you said, I'm trying to I understand
(34:09):
what you're saying, but I'm trying to figure out if
they had talked, And it sounds like you were saying
if they had taught there's a small possibility that maybe
he wanted maybe Mark could have offered him something that
would have kept.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Persuade him to stay.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Maybe the conversation would have went to, well, this is
why I want to leave, and they may be able
to hash it out. So the conversation, so it seems
like the decision was made without being able to talk
to Mark and you and then you kind of sound
as if you're saying the same thing like he wanted
to talk to him. That don't mean talk. So there's
a talk of hey, look I'm leaving. I appreciate everything
you've done for me. You still my boy, you got
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my number, And there's a talk of yeah, man, I'm
really just not happy. I think I'm over here talking
to this person, and then you know, that gives Mark
the opportunity to say, well, what I got to do
to keep you to stay?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah, well, I know a couple of times in my
career when I just changed what I was doing freelance wise,
not my main job, but just freelance wise, and I
changed and took a different opportunity. And when I told
the place where I was that I was leading to
do this, and then it was always oh, man, we
(35:20):
can do it. And I said, well, you know, it's
been eleven years and you didn't do any of that
for me. This other place is going to do it
for me starting the very first day. So no, I
appreciate this, he said, appreciate what you've done for me,
but I'm going to go over here with this other
other company because that's what they're going to let me
do from day one. So a lot of things enter
into it, and I think it's never I don't think
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it was probably easy for Vince to tell Mark he
was leaving. It is another thing I think that was
probably maybe a conversation Vince was kind of dreading a
little bit of himself. Maybe he was kind of putting
it off as long as he as long as he could.
I think that's just human nature that most of us
don't like to have uncomfortable conversations. Due that was going
to kind of be uncomfortable leave at Kentucky, leaving his
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childhood friend and all of that. So but again, bottom line,
now it's over and done. Everybody just got to kind
of move on. And I think we're both in agreement.
We wish Fence the best, and then we also wish
Mark Soup's the best for what's coming up for the
twenty twenty five season, because we don't want to see
Kentucky go four and eight again.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I agree with that. We will be back to close
out this Father's Day edition.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Of Sunday Morne in Sports Talk when we come back,
you were listening Stockyards Bank Sunday one in Sports Talk
on News Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the home of the Wildcats, six thirty WLAP.
Welcome back Stockyards Bank, Sunday one. In Sports Talk, I'm
Anthony White along with Larry vaugh and bol Robinson keeping
us on air and platters didn't matter.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Oh, We've had plenty of platters that matter this morning.
Break it down for me to I will break it down. Yeah,
we kind of straight away from the Father's Day playlist
because we lost two icons the sixties last week sly Stone,
Slye the family Stone passed away eighty two years old.
And you want to talk about an innovator of funk
(37:09):
and throwing together a hybrid of rock and roll, soul
music and funk and just making it his own and
really laid the foundation for George Clinton Parliament Funkadelic two
that you and I Anthony really like. Slastone was it.
If you ever get a chance and you want to
see one of the best performances at Woodstock, it's Slyestone
(37:30):
set at three am on a Sunday morning. Rest in peace,
sly Stone, and also rest in peace Brian Wilson of
the Beach Boys. By the way, sly Stone played Memorial
Coliseum back in the mid seventies, Larry, were you there
for that.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Teenth to nineteen seventy three? I was on road four Wow,
standing on the chair.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
That's what I wanted to hear.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
One of the first dates I had with my wife,
and I was pretty sure the next morning when I
look back at what I did, that probably the Lafe
date I wouldever, would never go out with me again.
To say that I got a little carried away because
I was enjoyed sly would be a gigantic understatement. But
luckily she understood my enthusiasm and give me a chance,
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and we continued to date.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Larry, did you dance to the music?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Oh? Are you getting the moves? I had around? I
thought they were. Now according to my wife, they weren't
quite as good as I thought they were.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Did you have a mullet?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Larry?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Just long hair?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Just long hair?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
And we got to say rest in beast to the
great Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, who passed away
last week to eighty two years old, the creative genius
behind the Beach Boys. Don't you dare ever talking about
the greatest rock and roll bands of America and now
mentioned the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah. I've saw them several times, including once at Hilton
Head just by chance that we were in their own
vacation and they were playing and when and that was
in the latter years of that group's all being together. Yeah,
one of my all time favorite groups.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
They played Reparena a couple of times, and they played
the Kentucky Horse Park. I think in the late nineties too.
Never had a chance to see them, but I've always
loved the Beach Boys.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Always there you go. That is the show.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Happy Father's Day to everybody. Thanks Vince Big Dog for
joining us this morning. Jack Pilgrim, Happy father's second. Happy
Father's Day to you. Appreciate you, Larry Vald, always appreciate you.
We've been doing this almost twenty years, Larry Vadd always
appreciates you. Happy Father's Day to you both. Thanks for
playing the platters the matter, keeping us on air. I
am Anthony White and this has been Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning,
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