Sunday Morning Sports Talk - October 5, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
the Lee Troop BOARDGE Radio Network on six point thirty WLAP.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim, coming to
you from Clark's Main Street. Market Is Studios in Lexington, Kentucky.
Inside iHeartRadio Studios. Really quick story, getting text message. Everybody's
getting text messages. If you want to send a text message,

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you can send a text message, or you could call
the show at eight five, nine to eight zero, two
to eight seven, eight five, nine to eight zero Cats,
Larry Vaught, Jack Pilgrim, How mummies first spring here? I
was back on the team because I was removed from
the team in ninety six and in ninety seven, well
I don't know if it was actually ninety seven, but

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the season of ninety seven, that spring going into the
ninety seventh season, have a spring game. My mom comes
down all the time, the spring games and stuff, and
she comes down the spring game and after the spring
game she introduces me to this guy, handsome guy, a
little bit younger than her, a little bit older than me, says,

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this is Mike, and I said, hey, Mike, shake Mike's hand.
Nice to me Tech. I'm a big fan a white
I'm a big fan. Say oh thank you, said man.
I was telling you, mother, man, how much I love
why you played. And I was like, I'm looking at
my mom. How do you know this person? Not a
bad way, but just like it was just awkward because
I before we started the game, I talked to my
mom and after the game, she has this friend and
she's introducing me to their chums. My mom says, well,

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we were trying to video the game and I had
a pretty good spring game, and she said, I'm sitting
next to this guy and she's trying to watch the
game and video. We did have a video camera back then,
and so she videoed with her hands. So the guy, Mike,
which is a Caucasian fellow, asked my mom, I'll hear
you want me the video. So my mom was skeptical

(02:00):
because I'm from Twinsburg Heights and she was like, this
random Caucasian fellas asking me to, you know, hold my
camera and video the game. So they talked about it,
and you know, so she was able to watch the
game while Mike recorded the game and now, mind you,
when my mom did my high school games, football and basketball,
we would be on the other end of the court

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and you can hear everybody cheering, everybody ah, but she's
still on the other side of the court because she's
forgot to turn the camera with her eyes. So long
story short, Mike text messaged me said he's not going
to call in, but he wanted me to give you
this story because Mike now is a longtime friend. He's
the first UK fan I met in person and we
have been friends ever since ninety six something like that.

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Ninety six, so almost thirty years. So Mike text messaged me,
he said he don't want to, you know, call in,
but he brought up he said, when Mark stoops first
got here, the one thing about I'm paraphrasing now, the
one thing about Mark Stoups's teams was that they were
well diss planned and they were well coached, like if
you were going to beat them. We had changed for

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the years where we were gonna stub our toes and
basically do something to lose a game. He would just
always remark about our team that if we were gonna lose,
you gotta beat us, like there's no way we're gonna
help you beat us. He just said over the past
couple of years that he feels as if the team's
no longer disciplined, were just not the same thing we

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were doing with Marcus trending in the right direction, that
he doesn't have that feeling about our team anymore. So
he's kind of lost confidence in our team and his
ability to coach. So that's what everybody is at at
this point. And I just I know this is the
conversation we've been having all along as far as and
I know Alvin asked me what do I think should happen?

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And Larry Vaut, I don't know if I'm not certain
if the conversation that I thought, well, I know what
was articulated or written, was that Mark Stupis said barn
Harve was talking about less in the contract. How would
you feel if the conversation was or if the conversation
turns to doesn't he have to be paid in like

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ninety What if Mark says, just pay me over the
next three years. And I don't know if you are
will agree with this or not, Larry, but I think
there's a part of mental health that will go into
this after a while, and I think that's why erban
Meyer walked away from the game. I think that or
not the first time he walked away before he went
to Ohio State. I think those type of things start

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to play on your health. I know Mark Stewp's has
a lot of other problems going on, and you know
he has a personal life. I don't think people are
giving it enough weight that this may weigh on them
enough to cause some mental health issues. And I think
that has happened to a lot of coaching. I'm almost
certain that happened to erban Meyer, or erban Meyer would
never had anything wrong with him in the first place.
I'm not gonna speculate that. But Larry Vaughan, maybe the

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conversation with Barn hurt or if it didn't happen, it
was not about taking less money. Maybe it was I'll
give you longer time to pay me. That way, you're
not mad at me. I'm not mad at you, but
I still end up hold at the end of the day.
Is that is that a possibility?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I guess maybe in theory, but I'm still going to
say no. I still think Mark's gonna want his money.
Whatever the contract says that's what he'll want. Now, I'm
not saying what you said doesn't make sense. It may
not be a log of thing, but I just think
it's a contract says you don't want me to give

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me my money. I think that's what it's going to be.
I just think Kentucky wrote the contract. You can't expect
Mark Stoops to bail yet for a contract that you
gave me. I think it's still going to take the
money to do.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
It, even if you know you're doing a poor job
or can't do the job. So if you pay someone
to fix your car and you've drive off the lot
and your car breaks down immediately, and maybe it was
or wasn't your fault, Maybe you bought cheap parts, sir,
maybe you didn't tighten a boat. Your car messes up. Yeah,
I mean, if you want to sleep with if you

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want to go to sleep at night, sometimes you just
got to say, you know what, I'm gonna do the
right thing.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I don't know you do, but but not everybody will
do the forty million dollar right thing. It's a little bit,
and you are right, it's not forty million that you're clear,
but you do so I still think it's a lot
of money, and Mark coves all the all the cards,
and I just don't see him folding on right now.
And and I also don't see things get me better because,

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as you've pointed out very eloquently, the same mistakes keep
happening over and over and the and the postgame conversation
yesterday was kind of baffling to me. So I think
Mitch is just gonna mentioned the President. It canna be
kind of ironic. I think they're just gonna have to
pony up.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let's get to the phone lines and see what Jake
has to say. Good morning, Jake, what do you got
for us?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Good morning, Anthony. How are you doing this morning?

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Doing pretty good.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
I remember talking to you were earlier in the year
and we were both talking about seven and five season
for this team work. Do you see a path now
for seven and five? Now that I've listened to your
monologue this morning, No.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I don't see a whole lot of seven and five.
I watched I watched Vanderbilt play yesterday, the Florida game
that I thought was gonna, you know, probably give us
a glimmer of hope. I mean, every team in the
SEC is looking like a team in the SEC except
for us. And like I said, Vanderbilt, even though they lost,
look look really good yesterday. So I don't know, if
I don't know, if I it's hard to find even

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the SEC wins. So so Jake, I that seventy five
is long gone out of my.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Brain because I had the first because I had the
first three. Uh first three is wins, the Toledo, the
the Old Miss and East Michigan. That was that was
the first three, and there was there was where where
I thought we would start, and it didn't quite work

(08:12):
out that way as we know now.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I think were I think the players will lose
a hope in each other. I think the coaching staff
may be losing continuity and hope with each other. So
I don't think this thing is gonna get rectified anytime soon.
With Texas coming up, Tennessee Arborn, Florida, Texas, even even
Tennessee Tech by that time, if we're still if we

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still have some glue, we we should win that just
by default. But if we if the team has been
dismantled mentally, uh, then I don't think.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
I don't think Cutters demoralized mentally I think he's still
all in, but I don't know about the rest of everybody.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, Uh, appreciate the call, Jake, I don't think that.
I don't think that.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I definitely think Cutter's still playing, and I think Cutter
is going to take some time. Jack. And when I
say bought in, this is something that was concerning. That's
why I asked you what was concerned about the game
for you? I thought some of the alignments, some of
the play calling, we we didn't make a lot of
effort after like some of the deep balls, but even

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on some of the shallow routes and slant routes that
were underneath checkdowns, guys were dropping them. So even if
Cutter did make a good decision in a good throw
or decent throw, the guys were dropping balls. They were
making a lot of effort. I'm not saying that they
weren't bought in at this point. I just think our
passing game is just that and that so Jack, I

(09:48):
just kind of feel like I think by we by
the time we get to the Tennessee Tech game, that
the people will the players will at that point not
be fighting for each other, not be fighting for the coach,
I think it'll be tough for us to have any
continuity or probably win games just because the guys are
going to be playing for each other.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
Jack, Which is another question that I think Mitch barn
Art needs to answer as we go through this kind
of time of question and wondering, like, hey, do we
just bite the bullet and eat this thirty eight million
dollars or whatever it's going to end up being. Will
Cutter Bowley be the quarterback of Kentucky next season if

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Mark Stoops is the head coach, Like we can talk
about being excited for the future and things we liked
about Cameron Miller, things we liked about Cutter Bowley, you know,
like we can we can get excited for we can
punt on the now understanding that this is a lost
cause while saying, hey, but we're doing this because we're

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believing in a long term future with Cutter Bowley. Like,
have we asked Cutter Bowley what he thinks about Mark
Stoops leading this program and if he returns as head
coach that he's going to return to lead the program? Like,
like what happens if if Stoops does come back and
then Cutter decides to go portaling and you know, find
a better situation for him personally, Like like, that's that's

(11:13):
where we're We're trending at this point where it's fun
to talk about the future, but you're also talking about
the constant of who the head coach would be in
said future. And that's that I mean, I I that's
not something I could personally guarantee that is true.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
That is a good question. Talk to the players and
see how the players are feeling at the end of
the season or even at the next bye week. Let's
get back to the phone line and see what Mark
has to say. Good more than Mark, what do you
got for us?

Speaker 7 (11:42):
Good morning one? You made a comment that the players
may check out, But this is sort of like the NFL.
Now you've got game tape because the guys that are
on the team, if they quit, now, that's gonna be
on tape. Right with nil, You're gonna want tape to
show Hey, I deserve more money. And that's answer my question.
But the other comment that I have is is that

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how much are we Where do we rank in the
SEC for football equipment, facilities and payment? Okay one through sixteen.
The other thing is why not turn all the other
money off. I don't think that his offensive coordinator and
defensive corner have the same contract that he has, meaning

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that I don't think it's twenty thirty turn that money off,
turn the nil money off. He can be the coach
till twenty thirty or twenty thirty one, and he can
have his nine million dollars, but he gets no other money.
And if he wants to do that, thumbs up. But
if he does, I mean that means the assistant coaches
lead you. That means he has to find another brother

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or somebody to work for him. Okay it I mean
it's very frustrating to spend all that money and see
fourteen points.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Mark. Mark, let me ask you this though, and I
like that kind scept you brought him. It's interesting, I
should say, let me what happens if you turn the
money off? Who suffers? The players in the fan base? Really,
Mark is gonna suffer as well.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
But well, well, what happens now? I see at the
end of this year, everybody gets their money this year.
Turn the money off. You turn the money off next year.
So the people that suffer as the fans, right, okay,
because Mark gets his money. The other assistant coaches go
somewhere else. Okay. So it's the fans, okay. So either
we have to suffer through paying him nine million dollars

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giving extra money some UK is going to ask for
it somewhere, higher ticket prices somewhere, okay, or we suffer
through bad seasons.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
I do think Mitch should be called an hellic because
this is the second contract cal Parent's content we got
bailed out on, right, right, Okay, Okay, Now I understand
it's UK football. Why not just pay the highest every year,
pay the most and if you want to leave, have

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a great day, we'll find somebody else and pay them
the most. Why do we have forty million dollars? I
don't know about you, but that's a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, absolutely is. We appreciate the call mark. I mean,
that is a pretty good, pretty interesting concept. We'll discuss
that when we come back. You're listening to Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 1 (14:25):
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Speaker 2 (14:36):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. On Anthony
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and financial needs. Jack Pilgrim, it is officially, And I

(14:57):
wonder how ironic it is to to play a pretty
good first quarter at Georgia and then just I don't
know if the wheels fell off or just I don't know.
I think it might've just erailed our whole season because
I don't know if there's any answers in Georgia is
a top top ten team, so I mean, it's kind
of understandable to get beat up, especially at home by

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a top team. But it's also ironic because it's officially
basketball season. Jack. Pro Day coming up a big what
do they call it, Big Blue Madness next weekend. But
we do have Pro Day coming up on a seventh,
is it, Jack?

Speaker 6 (15:39):
We got Media Day tomorrow, we got Pro Day Tuesday,
and then we have Big Blue Madness on Saturday. So yeah,
life is pretty good, and it sucks because it really
does just kind of bring you back to that you know,
twenty twelve Joker Phillips, where you knew you had a
title contender on the basketball floor and you're just mis
so so excited to see them. And you know, you

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get these first two months to just kind of solidify
yourself one way or the other. The football program sing
the wheels kind of fall off in the season. You go, well,
at least we have a you know, title contender to
pay attention to and watch closely as basketball season begins.
So uh, you know, the timing is great for the
apathetic fan base that no longer cares about the football product.

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But you know, you do feel for the people associated
with the football program, but the players that do deserve support,
and you know, so all all of those things that
kind of you know, they they don't deserve kind of
the poor leadership up top kind of causing a lot
of the trickle down. So that situation. But hey, basketball

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is gonna be fun this year, so we're we're going
to choose to celebrate that.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Plus you have two really good exhibition games at rep
Arena at the end of the month. That is true
as well. We have exhibition baseball today too because West
Virginia up in Mason, Ohio, and that's close. What I
ain't close where I'm from like halfway between where I'm from,
but uh yeah, baseball would be playing today as well,
exhibition game. But Jack on pro Day does does everybody

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perform or just like the the Always and Low and
Aberdeen and those guys, are everybody Jasper's going to perform
and everybody.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Yeah, you know, Otega has been dealing with the turf toe.
He is, I understand it, kind of getting back into
the you know, five on zero kind of very very loose,
kind of you know, up and down and just kind
of getting a feel for himself. So the extent of
what he's going to be able to do at pro Day,
I think that's really the only question outside of you know,

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obviously Jad and Quainton's he's not going to participate, So
outside of that, you know, I think Otaga will do
most things, you know, some things that absolute minimum, but
then everybody else is going to be absolute, full go
and it's gonna be a blast, man. I mean, this
is a really deep, talented team, so you're gonna be
able to see a lot of good back and forth
and you know, the scrimmage portion of the pro I

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think it's going to be a lot of fun because
you're going to get you know, five or really really
good players against five really really good players. So you
brought up good old Jasper. Hearing some good things about
Jasper lately, I mean, I thought you would appreciate hearing that,
you know, he's kind of taken over some of the
backup point guard duties and really kind of expanding his
his own, you know role and what he's you know,

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what he's expected to do in year one. So uh,
don't don't don't underestimate the possibility of PG two for
Jasper Johnson.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And you're one of the wildcat Well, he is from
Kentucky and albeit not London, Kentucky, but uh there's when
you're a homegrown guy and you put in a backup role.
Ain't that way they prosper? Again, like I said, he's
not from London, Kentucky. But if you picking up what
I'm putting down, it's not tough just coming off the bench.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah yeah, I'm I'm picking it up. But I you know,
I think Jasper really struggled initially with the physical and
just kind of pace and really kind of finding his
footing against really really talented and physical and tough players
and as he's kind of adapted and you know, adjusted

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through that, we've really seen the talent shine through and
just kind of the shot making and the playmaking and
the things that makes him, you know, one of the
most electric recruits in high school basketball last season. You know,
as he's adjusted through all the tough stuff, the skill
and the talent has really shined through. So keep an
eye out for Jaffer. It'snna be a fun Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
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Speaker 1 (19:44):
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Speaker 2 (19:53):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
White along with Larry Vot. This hour Sunday Morning Sports
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There's a lot of conversation going on. If you can
actually join the conversations on Twitter at Sunday Am Sports

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as our handle, or you can email us at Sunday
Morning Sports Talk at gmail dot com. If you don't
want to call in because there's a lot of commentary
going on about this week's this past week's game, yesterday's
game against Georgia down in Athens, but also the future
of our of our head coach, our football head coach,

(20:38):
and Larry Vaught. There's conversations going on, and it was
brought up by one of our callers about the some
of the assistant coaches salvaging some of the assistant coaches.
Maybe some of the assistant coaches aren't fit. I honestly me, personally,
I'm not certain if I'm sure that Bush Hampton, for

(21:02):
many reasons, is a person for the job. I don't
know if it's the personnel. I don't know if it's
his play calling. I don't know if if it's design
of the play calling, or even the knowing your personnel.
They called certain plays based off your personnel. Like I said,
I think Brad White does a lot better, and his
defenses regress some. It just seems like all the way around,

(21:23):
our team has regressed a little bit in all different departments,
but the one consistency, I think you got to help.
I think you got to help cut her out a
little bit. I think you got to give him some
plays that he can connect with. We throw the ball
behind the line of scrimmage a lot of times to
get passes, to get completions on passes. I just I

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don't know what do you feel as if maybe there
needs to be for Mark to salvage any kind of
interest I guess or stability going in the next year,
because I'm I think we all agree that. I don't
know if there's going to be a decision made this year,
even if it was to part Way's restructure contract or anything.

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I don't think it would happen going into next season.
I think it would be based off of how this
season ends.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that, Anthony. I
don't think anything's going to happen before this year's over.
I just don't think that's how Mitch operates. I don't
think we've got his track record the whole time he's
been at UK, So we'll have to see that to
believe it. I think when you look at Mark and
and just over the last few years, I think he's

(22:40):
had some recruiting decisions that like going to all going
all in on transfer portal quarterbacks. It worked great with Will,
but since then it had worked too well. I also think, probably,
in my opinion, and we've shared some of this on
here before, some of the coaching hires he's made in
recent years hadn't been real great. And I've not talked

(23:02):
about just that offensive coordinator. I mean there's some other
position hires that he's made. I mean, they say muckl
have had a different wide receiver coach every year, almost
the offensive line coach. It's not John Slarman. I'll just
leave it at that. We'll just leave it. We'll just
leave it at that. And really, when you look and

(23:24):
you talk about some slippage with bred White, and again
I'm not on the field, so I don't know. I
know the Stoops' names carries a lot of football weight,
But how long has Mark's brother been at UK?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Now? Four years, That's what I was going to say.
I was thinking maybe four or five.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I think four. You talked about a little slippage in
the bread White defense. When would you think maybe that started?
I mean, I'm just saying, so, I think you've got
recruiting issues. I think you've got communication issues, but I
think you've got staff issues too, and that Mark has
not been great with some of the staff hires that

(24:02):
he's made it, and that gets kind of tough because
a lot of these guys I like, they've been good
to me and I all like that, But when you're
doing what we're supposed to be doing, right know, if
you're going to be honest, I just don't think he's
got the best staff right now. I don't think they
develop talent all that overall. Some some position coaches do,
I think, but not overall. And I think that's been
part of the problem as well. And I think when

(24:26):
when we were talking about earlier about Cutter Bowley, if
you ask Cutter Bowley what he's going to do, Yeah,
he's gonna be here, no matter why. That's that's what
he's going to say.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
What else is?

Speaker 4 (24:34):
What else is anybody going to say if they want
to play right now? If you're you can't come out
and say, yeah, this coach sucks, I don't if he's back,
I'm not playing. But who you think is starting the
next game? It's not that guy. We all know that.
So you've been You've been there and done that. So
there's nothing players can say right now. But if you
don't think other schools are going to be interested in

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Cutter Bowley or if you don't think other schools reached
out to him after last season, you are wrong. Just
go back and look at the list of schools he
was recruited by. So I just wondered, no matter what
they do coaching wise, if Cutter we'll be back based
on the personnel he's got around him right now, because again,

(25:15):
you can help more with this than I can. I
just don't understand the passing philosophy and what is going
on there. But when you can't throw the ball have
a receiver that can get opened down the field, that
just makes it really tough. And I watched the one
catch the Georgia receiver made yesterday where it was pretty
good coverage by Kentucky and he reached out what was

(25:36):
his left hand in air, got to grab the ball,
pulled it into him, stayed in bounds for about a
thirty five yard game. When's the last time Kentucky's had
a receiver make a catch like that one day?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, you're right, Well, we practiced that on a regular basis,
but we did throw the ball fifty times a game.
But that's just I mean, that's just good coaching. Like
I'm with you, but I think I think you have
to get separation. But again, that's basically all we throw
are fade routes and screams and hitches. They just throw

(26:09):
the ball laterally behind the line of scrimmage. It just
doesn't make sense. I go ahead, y, No.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Wonder Cannis was wide open over the middle. Hell, what
a play call? Throw the fight end going down the middle.
Good God, it take four years to design that play.
I can see why George would have been ready for that.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Before we go to the phone lines. I did want
to ask you. It was brought up earlier, and I
think I see where Mark was going with this comment.
But does he says turn the money off? Aren't those
things separately? Isn't Mark Stup's contract the revenue sharing? Now
you could turn the revenue sharing off. They don't have to.
They don't have to participate in the revenue sharing if

(26:47):
they don't want to, because they're not doing an allocating
portion of the budget to paying the players, So they
can turn that off if they want to. But he
was saying turn off the money being paid to other people.
I don't think that helps with Mark Steuke's contract at all.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
No, it doesn't you still owe Mark what you owe him.
And as you said, how you're going to have a
football team if you don't have anybody any position coaches.
I mean, if if you want to go out and
hire the middle school coaches from across Lexington and at
the level I know some of them on level, but
if you want to bring them in there in their
spare time, they can just work a little bit for

(27:23):
the part time salary, but they're making it middle school.
But you can't do that. That won't solve anything. And
I mean I can get what he was saying there.
You think you're going to force your coach to leave,
but still he's still got his if you're firing him,
he still got a pain seventy five percent of what
you owe him. So that's not going to change. So again,
it's just a hard decision. You made the contract. And

(27:46):
again when when Mitch Barnhardt signed that let Mark sign
that contract, there wasn't a lot of outcry at that time.
If you remember, coming off that ten win season, everybody
thought Kentucky football was headed to the Promised Land and
wanted to keep Mark. Steps to do that with I
think looking back now, I did like the one suggestion.
I think it was the same caller had about hey,

(28:07):
maybe just front load that coaching contract, pay him a
huge salary for one year to see who you can get,
and if you perform, we'll give it to you for
another year, and if you don't, we won't. But again,
we both know, no big time coach is going to
take the actors. It's going to be a thousand other schools.
It'll give them eight years or whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And how did that not ninety How did that ninety
day or whatever was the way the contract is set up?
How did that get? That's kind of a bold, bold
thing to tell someone I need my money within ninety days.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
That's not a bold thing to tell somebody. I mean
I would tell somebody the same thing. It's a dumb
move anybody to let them negotiate that into the contracts.
What I say, Mark Stoops or Mark Stoops agent just
was a lot sharper than whoever is negotiating that contract
for Kentucky was.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
It makes sense. Let's get to the phone lines and
see what Doug has to say. Good morning, Doug, what
do you got for us?

Speaker 8 (29:00):
And gentlemen, it's it's the BB and Road Crew returning
from Georgia our fifty fifth straight COVID season.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Uh, And I tell you, I tell you guys, like
I said, we've been doing this since the COVID year,
hitting the road and just going home and away. And
I sat up there yesterday. One thing about it, when
you're on the road, you sit with the players pants
or right behind them where our seats were down at
South Carolina in this past week at Georgia and before

(29:30):
that game, it reminds me. It reminds me of pants
of an old one double a school that was getting
paid two hundred and fifty thousand dollars back in the day.
You remember anything in your days to come in and
get that win. I mean that's really reading the tea leaves.
That's kind of the vibe you got. And you you
watched his team come out on to start the game,

(29:52):
and I'm telling you, guys, I respect how they played
because you could see it on the field. They were
fighting some, but there was no juice. I mean we
were looking around like, can you tell if our team's
excited to play before kickoff? I mean there's just no
juice and no to me, no desperation. Quite frankly, uh
and uh, I guess the best way to some this

(30:14):
thing up is is, Hey, Mark Stoops, we appreciate what
you did. You brought a lot southern when we first
started this, going on the road with the guys, it
was fun because you went into every game, Hey, there
was a chance, and you knew you were going to
play till you were gonna beat it at least to
the fourth quarter. And that's got we're back to joker esque.
And uh, I guess my question is for you all

(30:35):
this morning, with all things considered, if you're the A D,
do you do what Arkansas did last week and cut
your ties today because I kind of feel like that's
where we need to go.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well, appreciate the call Doug I did. They didn't give
me to Pittman. Uh this WEEKD is gonna be a
whole bunch of sec jobs open. Maybe Larry Vaughan is
the best route to go. Maybe to try to find
trying to negotiate somebody. Is that even something you can
do negotiate another team to try to take on the contract?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
No?

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well, I mean I guess you could try, but why
would anybody do it?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
So?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
The no Kentucky's I mean I think there's usually a
clause in contracts that if you go somewhere else and
get and get a job and you get a certain
salary that comes off of that. But for instance, I know,
like when West Virginia decided to fire Neil Brown and
he was due X number of dollars, but if he

(31:37):
got another coaching job it had to be to Doe. Well,
he's out of Texas as an offensive analyst. He could
work for three dollars a year if he wanted to.
Anything he makes, anything he makes from Texas doesn't help
him because he's still just going to get to set
him out. He was going to get from West Virginia,
so he might as well let West Virginia pay it all.
I think that's what a lot of coaches would do.
And that's the thing with Vince. When Vince left Kentucky,

(32:00):
he he took a non coaching job at Louisville, So
that's houry he makes there doesn't count against what he
would have had to have to buy out his contract
for leaving Kentucky. There's a lot of technical things like that.
But if Kentucky does not want Mark Suit's coaching next year,
they're gont to bite the bullet and pay the money.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
You keep saying that a little bit more more and
more as the show goes on. Do you think sounds
like you you kind of convinced so you've heard something
or or that they will because you know, it's been
saying for the past couple of weeks that there's no
way in the world that they would do that, And
I think Barnhurt's probably too cheap to do it, even
if you wanted to do it.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
No, I've not heard, and I don't And if you
ask me, do I think Barnhart will do it, I
would say no. It would be my guess that he
will say no, that he'll he will say this is
just a second blip. Last year was a blip. This
was just another blip, and then next year everything's going
to be fine. And I don't think any Kentucky well,
I guess there'd be some Kentucky fans that would think
that maybe that's the case, but I don't think it's

(33:00):
going to be the case. Now. I don't know that
I totally agree with our Life's caller Anthony. I thought
from just watching on tea that he was there and
I wasn't. But I thought the effort from Kentucky looked
pretty good. Just the execution was not very good. And
the tackling again, which has been kind of a staple
of a Stoops and Red White team, it's just not

(33:21):
very good in the open field this year.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It looked to me, I'm not going to say it. Look,
I think there was no passion. When you say effort
is a little bit different like that. I think they
were running fast and doing those things, just dropping some
of the balls, just some of the routes they were running.
I think it probably was the passion to me that
they weren't doing it with the purpose or they weren't
doing it, you know, with the expectation. Yeah, so I

(33:43):
think that. But callers, hold on, we have to go
through a break. I don't want to put you up
against a break. But when we come back, we will
get back to the phone lines. You were listening to
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Speaker 1 (33:56):
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Speaker 3 (34:04):
W l A P.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Welcome back Stockyards Banks Sunday Morning Sports Talking Anthony White
along with Larry Vot. Let's get to the phone lines.
Thanks for holding through the break bill. What do you
got for us?

Speaker 9 (34:19):
Hey? Yeah, answer me?

Speaker 10 (34:20):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Pretty good?

Speaker 9 (34:24):
Good? Good? I was wanting to get into this stuff
with Stops. You know how Jimmy Sexton is. He's Stoop's agent. Okay,
very prominent sports agent, yes, sir, huge, huge, Okay, you
do deals all the time. That man is not gonna
walk away without his money either, and you know he's

(34:49):
gonna get his. Mark's gonna get his. It's a three
way contract. Mark has to pay him. He's his agent.
You understand right that. You know it's a big deal.
That man's gonna make a lot of body he's not
gonna give So Mark's not gonna give you know, whatever

(35:12):
Mark does, whether there's no negotiation, that man's gonna get his.
Mark's not going to give up his money to pay section.
He's the biggest sports agent that there is and with
adleie and coaches. Okay, you understand that. So there's no negotiation.

(35:34):
There's no negotiation does Mark's not going to give up
that money to him, which is a huge percent. You know,
I don't know if you can have paralegals in there
with the room with this guy because he's an attorney.
He's hardcore. You know, I don't know who may be deals,
but they're wrong all i'm's wrong. The same with Caliperry.

(35:56):
If it wasn't for his narcissism.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know, they wouldn't never got out of that deal,
you know, just because Cali Perry called them down there
in argosol or we were leveraged there too. You know,
you got these agents involved too, and you know it's
just a bad situation we're in. We're leveraged as far

(36:20):
as wind go. You understand that, right, your businessman, So
you'll take you you put deals together.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
So let me ask you this. So your take is
with Sexton. Your take is that Sexton put a number
out there, and if Barnhard didn't take it, there's a
possibility that Mark wouldn't be here or is it just right?

Speaker 10 (36:41):
Would have been fined. It'd probably been better for the
whole entity. You know, but Mark got a powerful, powerful agent,
and this man is not gonna not take his money
because that's part of Mark's money. They play hardcore, you know,
you put deals together. These people play for real and
he's not going anywhere till they all get there.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Hey, and and anthink I just got a text from
a collar or from a from a listener that it's right.
I don't know. I didn't think of this. The reason
Mark would want to get it, or this agent would
want Mark he get his money within sixty days, ninety days,
whatever it is is, then he would get all the
money from UK. Then if you had then if he
did get another job somewhere else paying all that big money,

(37:26):
he could still keep it because he's already cut his
money from UK wouldn't have to give it back.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
That is interesting.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Yeah, I don't know why I had thought of that,
but that's why that agent put that short payoff period
in there. And as our caller has said, UK's pay
llegal went for it. Now that's just it's up great
for market. So he could say, get fired to Kentucky
and December, get his money by the end of February,

(37:56):
and then take another job in April paying two medion
three years a defense cooever and keep all of that there.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Thank you for the call. Bill That That is pretty interesting.
So it kind of goes through the theory. So brown
Awn is always on Twitter at my head, So, Larry,
we do have to head to a break, but I
did want to say so it does kind of make
sense as to maybe why Barnheart took well, I'm not
going to take your response, but maybe it does make
sense as to why Barnhart how to take the deal

(38:27):
or Mark may have walked away. I don't know how
much levers they had, but that is an interesting take
by Bill. We appreciate that when we come back, we'll
be talking hoops and heels. When we come back, we
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