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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome Back Stockyards bank Son in one of the Sports
talk on Anthony White along with Jack Pilgrim and Larry
Vaup coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market studios
in downtown les Ink in Kentucky, Clark's Pumpy Shop, Return,
Refresh and Refuel. Jack Pilgrim seemed to be a pretty
good weekend, but just like all things, there's always room
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for improvement. But apparently there's some scuttle butt about some
friction that took place at the fan event or around
the fan of it. Can you enlighten me?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to address that so in fact
that some of it I got to witness.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Firsthand and seeing it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So let's kind of remember that this is a free
event that came out.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Of thin air. Wasn't replacing anything else.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This was a a hey, we want to do this
for the average fan that doesn't get to a ten
you know games throughout the season that can't get their hand.
You know, weren't one of the first people to buy
tickets within the first twenty nine minutes of Big Blue
Madness selling out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And you know that that can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That this was their opportunity to meet and greet the
players and the coaches and all of those things with
vendors and all that stuff. So this was just an
idem made up out of thin air with with UK
Athletics and say, hey, how can we give back to
the average fan that doesn't get to experience all the
other fun stuff that happens throughout the season that this
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event was for them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So with that comes good and bad. It's a trial run.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's an you know, experiment of hey, let's see what works,
let's see what sticks, let's see what doesn't. They had
it in their their mind that the players would have
an hour to sign autographs, and the line got backed
up pretty pretty long, and you know, there was a
several hundred fans that did not get autographs signed and
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did use up a lot of.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You know, the event was from twelve to four point thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
They used up a lot of their time to stand
in line and not get anything signed. And there was
a lot of pushback from that after the fact. But
you know, the counter to that on on the UK side,
And you know, I talked to UK afterward and you
know kind of said, hey, for what this event was
and how how you guys put this thing together and
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all the other things on top of it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know, you can't you can't be perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
The event can't go you know, totally smooth sailing with
no pushback whatsoever. But you know, my kind of devil's
advocate side to the fan that was upset about not
being able to get their things signed or whatever is.
You know, you had the choice to to.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Stand in line right when you got there.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You could you could have been the very first person
in line and decided to you know, use that as
as your time, or you could have gone to the
other vendors and explored the other you know, championship trophies
and equipment that they had laid out, and you know,
they had the old retro UK games going. They had
free tattoos given out, they had food trucks and meet
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and greets.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Khalil Whitney was playing one on one with kids on
a basketball court.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
On the other side, there were inflatables, there were so
many other you know, Mark Pope was up on stage
for thirty minutes breaking down x's and o's in film
for the fan base. I mean, there were so many
other cool things that came with this event that was
totally free, no questions asked for for the average fan,
that the alternative was them sitting at home all day
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on Saturday on their couch watching college football, that they
got to use that time to be around BBN, to
be around the team, to be you know, watch Mark
Pope do a meet, you know, meet and greet x's
and O, you know, the players introducing themselves up on stage.
It was it was on top of experience that they
wouldn't have gotten without this event. So, you know, I
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do think that there has to be some grace on
BBN side of like, hey, they went out of their
way to do their best for a free event. But
if you're going to have thirty five hundred people in
there and only an hour for these players to sign like,
you got to know what you're signing up for and
expect some turbulence with the event. So, all things considered,
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UK nailed it. It was a really well done event
that obviously it wasn't going to be perfect, but you
can only control what you can control and what Kentucky
was able to control, not without you know, it wasn't perfect,
and they have taken some of those things into account
for next year to make the event bigger and better
and more efficient, and maybe the logistics a little bit better,
but fans got to remember what the event is and
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that it was free and that it was designed to
be in a one, one off plus experience for the
average fan that can't attend other things. So I just
want to just kind of speak on you K's behalf
and say, hey, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I get your frustration.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Standing in line and not getting anything as a result
of that is frustrating, But you know, you could have
gotten in line earlier and been one of the first
people to do that and sacrifice the time that you
spent on the team bus that brought in Mark Pope
and the championship teams and you know all the other
things that they had on top of it. If you know,
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those people, my understanding, got in line later and then
kind of felt felt that they got jipped on.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The back end.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I see, I understand the frustration, but I do
want to speak up on UK's behalf on that one.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And what's your number roughly? What would you say roughly?
Would you say a percentage that may have missed out
of attendees.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was probably half, like being oh wow, totally honest,
it was probably half the people that were in line,
but also my understanding on the UK side that you know,
they tried to you know, hand out three and three
pennants and things to the people that were obviously not
going to get in line. But also there's some common
sense that's involved with your you know, both five hundred
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people deep in the line and there's twenty minutes left
before the you know, before the buzzer, sounds like you
gotta kind of have them, you know, understanding of the
situation that hey, there are odds if we've not moved
very quickly in the first forty minutes, why would they
magically move that quickly in the last twenty. So like,
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I do feel like there's some accountability necessary, but again
it's it's a free event. It was I understand the frustration,
and I'm trying to see both sides of it with
the fan base because I would personally be frustrated if
I stood in line for two hours and didn't get
anything as a result of it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So I feel them.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I understand their pain, but I also know where UK
is coming from that they truly.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Did do their best.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This was not something that they watched it all unfold
and go eh, screw them, you know, they they recognizes
that in real time and said, man, we wish we
could have done that a little bit better, but you
got to kind of give them some grace. This was
their first first go at it. And again underline exclamation mark,
this was a free event. The alternative was sitting at
home on your couch while watching college football all day
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leading up to big momatus.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So you know, it was it was, yeah, go for there.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I suppose was it clear though, that if you were
a blong to the BBN United that you got first
access and if you didn't belong to that, that you
were going to be farther back in the line.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
That part I am not sure of.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And I do know that that if there is a
gripe about that, because it was my understanding that there
was a fast pass line or something of the sort
that was supposed to be that was supposed to be
made to the BBN United subscribers. So that is a
different story. And if if you were a big BBN
United subscriber, I could totally see the gripes there that
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they did present it as a fast pass opportunity that
you could be you know, kind of get get get
a head head start on the competition.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
If you will.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
For for that, So that those gripes I totally understand
and I know UK here's those and they felt that
in real time as well, So uh that that that
is a worthy gripe. But I'm more more of the
people that just kind of showed up expecting to you know,
them to sign thirty five hundred autographs and that amount
of time. I just, you know, gotta gotta speak up
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on UK the behalf on that one.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, But I was meaning more that maybe some of
those thirty five hundred people didn't know there was space
passed access and there may not be a chance for
them to get it. I didn't remember reading that anywhere
or anything like that. But again, if on the UK's part,
when you announced free and open to the public, you
had to anticipate the turnout was going to be huge,
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I would have thought, and to know there was a
really good change, something like this was gonna what's gonna happen.
You're right, it's a great event, and I don't like that.
But when you're gonna say free and open to the public,
you got to know there's got to be thousands of
people there.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So but they specified there was there would be a cap,
though they specified on on every every release that it
would be due to the subject to safety regulations and
that they would be capped at thirty five hundred. That
was the that was the not and as people would leave,
more would be allowed in that The most that could
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be in that room at anyone any one time was
thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Larry, have you heard any other grapes about that? And Larry,
what's the just knowing what I know about the univer
will know what I know about the university, but also
more so what I know about Mark Pope? What if
what kind of graps have you heard about that situation?
And what are the eyes? Do you think Mark pop?
Mark Pope makes it, makes it right, or tries to
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make it right?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
At least.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I would think Mark would do anything that he could
to try to make it right. But I think you
got a better person to ask that question than me
right there in the studio with you this morning. Let
Bo explain. He was there and one of those that
didn't get autographs, so maybe he can explain what was
going on a little bit better than we can't because
he was actually there.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Bo, Yes, why you didn't get an autograph. Why you
didn't get your buddy in line? First person?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Oh gosh, where do you want me to start? And
how much time do you have? Timing was a little
difficult yesterday. As I was telling you in the break,
I was down here at seven point thirty because I
had come into the studio, and so that kind of
threw me off by about two and a half hours
when I walked down to rapp Aerna. Here's an aspect
of this that we did not address. Jack may have
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saw it. The line getting into Central Bank Center stretched
down High Street and into Gaton Park. Not at the entryway,
the little tunnel going into the park. It stretched through
the tunnel down into Gatt Park. Now, how many people
were awaiting in line? Like Jack said, if you timed
it out really good when you got into the fan
fest and you knew that the autographs were going to
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happen at I believe what two o'clock, Jack, is when
they were going to start. And as soon as you
got in there and you made a bee line to
the autograph line, you were taken care of. But if
you stood around and you went to the other vendors
and you talked and took pictures, and then you got
into line forty five minutes later. You were not going
to get any autographs. I got in line a little
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bit late, stood there for an hour and a half.
I don't feel bad for me not getting any autographs.
This is on me that I was just running behind
on things. Who I feel bad for is that family
that drove all the way from Texas that was two
rows above me to get autographs. I felt sorry for
the family that drove all the way from Florida to
come up here for the fan fest. That's who I
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feel bad for. As far as the BBN United and
the fast pass deal, it looked like to me that
those people were being into grat into the general population
the rest of us. So they try to space it
out the best they could. As Jack said, it's a
fan fest. It's the first one. There are going to
be some bumps in the road. You do what you can,
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you learn from it, and you go on to next year.
What did you expect? What's going to happen? People were
not going to get autographs.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And you didn't try to get in line to get one,
or you got in line a just I.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Got in line but I didn't make the cuts, so
you know what, I turned around, walked off and then
had a great visit with Khalil Whitney, had a great
visit with Darius Miller. Totally cool with that. Yeah, a
little disorganized.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What do you do.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's a live conference, Kentucky basketball fans. There's going to
be some bumps. You learn from it and you move
on till next year.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
If you waited in line and got an autograph, or
you waited in line and didn't I get autograph, tell
us about your experience. We would like to hear about it.
We will be back after this year. Or listening to
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Speaker 1 (13:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning sports Talk on Anthony
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see what Larry has to say, good morning, Larry, what
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do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Hey, how y'all doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Doing pretty good?
Speaker 7 (13:37):
It ain't been much football talk, and I know he's
off this week. Me know, I was on that and
what do you think? I know, Andy, you know, I
was kind of thinking, well, let's see how when they
play somebody, how good they actually are. Maybe I don't
maybe organing as good as I think, but they went
in there. I just sen, you know, watch a little
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bit of the end of it, and they beat him
at ten points that organ. I'm sitting there thinking, you know,
I think Indiana's got to yourself a pretty good coach.
Looked like me. I mean, he done it last year,
had a good, you know, a good record. This year
he's backing it up. I mean, the way they're playing,
they're going to be in the playoffs, you know, two
years of ruin. And I was sitting there thinking, man,
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you know, for thirty years, for well forty fifty years,
we've been dreaming of getting there as a program like his.
And this guy goes in Indiana and I don't know
what he can. Can I actually sustain this for a
long period of time, But seems like to me he's
got something going up er, you know, and people keep
talking about the we're big ten and goods SEC we'll
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best are Remember the big ten won the title last year,
you know, And so I mean, what what's your take
on that about this coach? You think they'll be able
to hold on him?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think, well, then that's the thing. I think that
Indiana's been coming this direction for a while. They've the
past couple of years, they've slowly progressed the same way
we did. H they had, you know, a lot more
success quicker than we did. But I think you are
onto something. I think if within the next year or two,
he's probably gonna move on to something bigger and better.
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I think here we may have just uh outstayed our
He may have overstayed his time here, but they progressed
kind of like we did, and you know, they were
tiptoeing on being a really good team. In these past
couple of years, they've been really good. And I think
at a school like Indiana Kentucky, I think you have
to look for a bigger shot. And there's gonna be
a lot of SEC jobs open this offseason, So I
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wouldn't be surprised if he if he hopped jumped ship
and came to the sec.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Well, Florida people were done and are not very happy.
So you know that might be a destination right there,
you know, going to Florida, nice pretty place down or
little and but you know, it just it just urged
me that, you know, we've tried so hard over the
years and we bought, we built these facilities, and our
facilities are better than Indiana. I mean, you think about it,
and you know, even Vandy's but you know Vandy said
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some success or sweep eat them quite a bit the
last few years. But but you know in Indiana, I
mean I sent other think, we spent all this money,
all these facilities, and we've got nice facilities up forer
and we still just seem like it just maybe it's
just ain't the right hire. I think what Mark Soups
has done, you know, I appreciate what it did. Of
course he got us to this certain point, but now
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it's kind of like going over mountain, any kind of
heading down heel and now you going downhill. But but
I've sent there thinking here, y'all going to Oregon, y'all
beat Organ but ten in Oregon, you know they got
all that money out there, and I was just watching
them kids' faces over They were really devastated. They lost
in Indiana. But but I said a few weeks ago
to the Indiana I mean, I don't like Indiana, but
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I might have to give them am to brag. I mean,
they got something going up per But I just wish
we could do it, is the only thing I'm saying.
And you know, it's just it's an earned shame that
dollar fans support and stuff, and that we can't get
to sometime get into the playoffs. You know, Missouri got
int the playoffs a couple of times ere and of
course they got to beat your Stay by a good team.
But you know, right now, I would say that we're
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we're probably at the bottom of this. He say, you know,
you look at the teams that are playing, and I mean,
can you name men Bay that we could probably be
maybe Mississippi State. I don't know if he good Baked Town.
You know, they gave other teams good what's your take
on that deal? Like, do you think we're at the
bottom right now?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Uh, thank you for the call, Larry. We throw that
around a little bit. Yeah, I think we are now.
I think it's gonna be tough. As I stayed in
the past couple of weeks, I didn't really want to
go down this this avenue. But I do think that
we it's gonna be hard to turn this thing around.
I'm not sure if the players are still going to
buy in. We'll see coming off this bye week. I
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will be surprised if we do anything different coming off
this bye week than we have the past seven eight
years coming off bye weeks. But Jack, it is, we
ain't got a lot of time, but it is kind
of surprising, you know what Indiana's doing with Vanderbilts doing
some of these schools. But I don't think it's going
to be long either. I don't think that Indiana's going
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to turn into Ohio State or Michigan in that conference
over the next five to ten years. But the success
their experience, I think is pretty good, but it costs
reminds me of us going nine and three a couple
of times, and our fan base not appreciated either.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, I wouldn't say that the fan base does not
appreciate it. In real time, we appreciated every single snap
of it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But it's there's.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Also a period after that where when you see the
trajectory spiraling into a dumpster, then you can call it
is what it is and say the history was great,
the past was great, but the future looks bleak. And yes,
when you see people, you know, this program complaining about
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the finances and the funds and how will we ever compete,
we just we're just this, you know, don't have the
talent in Kentucky. We just don't have the resources. And
then you see Indiana absolutely steamrolling to a college football
playoff and then continue following it up with yet another
unbelievable run. You go, oh, well, what's well, what's their excuse?
Well how how are they able.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
To do it? But we're not.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's like, oh, yeah, it's because we're making excuses and
they're not. So yeah, I'm glad that we can see
some other uh you know, less than you know, Ohio
States and Michigan's and you know, somebody other than the
tip top of those leagues doing doing what Kentucky could
be doing in.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
The SEC and has done in the in the past.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But we were making excuses as to why why we
can't be doing that under the current leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So uh oh well, well we'll see how how.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
This all ends and hopefully we're having a different conversation
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I mean
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Larry Vaught. Before we went to break, Larry from Levenon
called in and was kind of, I guess, talking about
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just the top twenty five and how some other teams
about our level is performing at this point, mainly Indiana.
I don't know because they don't have a historically good
football team, but they are rocking and roll and their
coach has been there two years. Coaching the year last
year makes eight million dollars, by the way, Larry Vault,
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so per year, so I guess that's going to be
the going rate for it a new coach if you
want to coach that's up and coming or that is
going to be I guess have the pedigree to sustain
success here. Are you agree with Carler Larry that you
know what Indiana's doing makes us look bad? Or you
believe in Indian orgy And do you think is sustainable
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at Indiana or does and does a coach stay there
too as long as Mark the Stoops stayed here? Or
once you start experienced success, do you try to look
for exit playing a Texas A and MS or something
and get the fan base all riled up.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, one, I think what Indiana's doing does does hurt
Kentucky because you're looking at what Indiana, even Vanderbilt is
doing right now and you're thinking, wow, Kentucky seems to
be regressing. They seem to be progressing or progressing, and
it's it's a tough peal for UK most UK fans
to swallow. I think because Indiana Red looked good yesterday.
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I mean, they go into Oregon and win, that was
an impressive showing by them, and the way they're schedules
set up, it's hard to imagine them not being in
the College Football Playoffs for a second straight year. So yeah,
that can that be sustainable. I don't know, but he's
done in two years in a row, and he's looking
pretty good at doing it. It might be a little easier
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to sustain in the Big Ten than it is in
the SEC. And would he jump, well, dollars talk, but
as you said, he's making pretty good money. And if
you can get into the college football playoffs and you're
there at Indiana doing it, do you jump? Like I say,
if you'd had a chance to come to the SEC,
could you get the SEC? It's gonna be a whole
lot harder to try to get into the playoffs, I
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think than what it is Indiana. So I don't know
if he jumps ship or not.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Anthony, Yeah, you were right. The rest of their schedule,
unless you're looking at history, they got Michigan State. But
other than that, UCLA hasn't been lights out. Maryland probably
maybe their best contest coming up. Penn State may see
if they're still for real. But they're three and three
in the they're three and three overall right now. Wisconsin
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look like I said, but they're kind of like US.
I think Purdue is not as bad as their record shows.
I don't think Penn State is as bad as their
record show. But if you're just going by records and
how many how many games they've lost this year, then
I'm with you. I think Indiana may have a chance
to run it back.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But yeah, so again that that's troubling enough for the
way I look at it. Kentucky's got enough issues of
their own without trying to compare to anybody else. The
bottom line of Kentucky as things are not going great
right now. I mean, the offense that we were told
was going to be better than what it was last year,
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the numbers are just about the same at this point
of the season. That's what it was well last year
on offensive production. The passing game is struggling again. And
I think even more surprising to me is the way
that the defensive numbers have gone up to The defense
I thought was going to be better overall than what
it has been, but it just is not there. Giving
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up I think, what's a little bit over four hundred
yards per game through five games after last year, I
think at this time they gave last year, they gave
up what about three hundred and forty yards a game.
That's a pretty big jump there, Anthony, for a unit
that you that I both thought was going to be
pretty good overall.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And that's what has me more concerned about the season
is how the season's going to finish, how next season
is going to come back around. Uh it. The defense
was something you could always rely on. You could always
rely on Brad White putting forth a defense that may
sometimes bend but not break, but you can always count
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on them to keep you in the game. And you know,
I thought maybe they had got fatigued sometimes last year
sometimes this year, where you know they hold them on
first down, you win on first down, second down you win,
or sustain third down, we let them off, We let
them off the hook, and people are converting on fourth downs,
which you know, it's the defense is actually better than
it looks. I think we win so much on first down.
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Third and mediums or third and longs are tough for us.
So when they pick those up, then you know that's
an extra ten yards eight yards, So the per plays
go up, of the yards per play goes up. But
that is the one thing that really does have me
concerned because I thought that Brad White and Mark Stoups
together was a good unit. I thought that is one
part of the team you could always count on. The
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offense was supposed to be better this year, and I'm
with you, I think it may have gotten not not
personnel wise, because I think our offensive line is playing better.
I don't know why we continue to use the same
receivers And we saw last game. We didn't have a
game last week, but we saw last game that there's
some younger talent out there that's not getting an opportunity.
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Why are you not getting an opportunity? So why if
the guys that are that are not working for us,
why do they continue to get reps? And then we
see glipses of younger guys who as talent, Why are
they sitting behind other guys? So it is, you know,
it seems like there's some consistency issues, and I think
now I don't know if it's funneled throughout the whole
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team or trickle throughout the whole team where now it's
affecting our defense. But I'm kind of with you on that,
and that is kind of why I believe there probably
needs to be changed because everyone that we talk about
on our podcast on Wednesday, everyone called was comment on
that about, well, he's the whoever leads the team is
responsible for all these things we have questions about. And
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I've told you for years on this show that if
I can't understand what they're trying to accomplish, or I'm
looking at some of the play calling, or you know,
the consistencies and play calling, or you know, just the
ability to get off the field, or to keep the
move the chains on third down, those third and long
thirty meeting we call screen passes. And there's a lot
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of things that just don't make sense to me, which
seems like we're unstable, which I guess everybody says that
comes from up top. But the one thing that is
starting to get concerning for me, and you've been in
media for long time, you think the rumors, and nowadays
with AI and all this fake stuff going around, every
time I turn on social media, there's a comment or
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something being said. There's a fake post. I think last
week about Bush Hampden. There's another fake post about Mark
Stoop's going going somewhere else, which you obviously know mostly
that stuff is fake from the beginning, But does that
start to trickle into not the psyche of the coach
per se, but started to frust rate Mark even more
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because he seems extremely frustrated from the last press conference
we talked about last week that well, these things start
to irritate them a little more and make things worse
for our program.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I think they would definitely will irritate Mark. I mean,
I don't think there's any doubt about that. But also
I think when you look at the results, you got
to understand why those rumors, speculation and I would trickle
in there because I mean, that's what you kind of
opened yourself up for. And it's really interesting because and
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going into last season, you remember the UK coaching staff
was just bubbly and their talk about wet, we could
maybe contend for the SEC title, We're gonna be a
playoff team and all that, and then boom that blew
up in their faith. So this summer took the exact
VIPs approach. Didn't say anything, just a couple of silence,
almost didn't saying well, now that's kind of blown up
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in their face because things are not going well again.
And one of the things you point out earlier is
one of the biggest things to me. All spring and
all preseason, we heard about some of these young receivers,
how well they were looking at all I can, and
maybe I get you paid these transfers and you brought
them in and they're supposed to be your guys, and
you start the season out. But how far do you
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go before you let some of those young guys that
you raved about all spring and all month of August
let them get in there. And then when you put
Cam Miller in, he catches three passes for forty two
yards and quarter They've got guys that have played all
season have been able to do that. So let's see
some DJ Miller. Let's maybe see some Montavin Quizzenberry, Let's
see what I mean. I don't see how they could
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possibly do any worse than what has been done. And
maybe that would give Cutter Bowley or whoever's playing quarterback
a change to have some targets, because the part you
would need to explain to me is why I can
tight ends get open, but no wide receivers get open.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, And that's what's really surprising to me, because we
thought last year and we had a gonna say such turnover,
but on the top end of our receiving corps, we
lost two, you know, all SEC performers, and everybody thought
that that may have been the problem in the locker
room may have been the problem we those guys are
not here anymore. Even the receiver coach is a new
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receiver coach, so there's only like, there's only one thing
that's been consistent between last year and this year. And
the receiving room looks a lot different than it did
last year, but we're still having the same problems. And
I know the times Bush tries to move Law and
some of those guys around to get them free releases
or get them releases where they don't get jammed up,
but the effort on some of the routes aren't there.
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And sometimes Larry that comes from the receivers on the
back side of the routes being ignored or being the
second or being the third option, third or fourth option,
and your quarterbacks only making one or two reads, so
they don't have a sense of urgency to run a
good route. So even the times that they are open
there or they're on soft zones, they're running half routes
which the which doesn't look open to the quarterbacks, so
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they're not throwing it to you. But there's a lot
of fundamental issues with the receiving room. But I'm with you,
and I'm with you that everything changed last year, but
a couple things like there's all new receivers, we got
other new people. There's only a couple of things that's
consistent from last year. But like you said, the production
is the same as last year. I will say this
about you're talking about what we paid or how much
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players are making to come here. If we're losing, I
don't they're gonna they're cashing the same check. They're gonna
cash a check whether we win or lose. If we're
gonna lose and I'm paying you this amount of money,
I mean as well try to keep my job, especially
if I'm an off as a coordinator or receiver coach.
I wanted to play the guys that's gonna make my
offense looks good. I want to I want to play
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the guys who makes my room look good. So I
know we have said that quite a bit, how much
guys are making, But after last year and the way
this year started off, you kind of got to scrap
your check book and say, look, no, a lot of
y'all are not gonna have jobs. If you continue to
play the guys that you paid, they're getting the money
already like they're gonna get paid that money no matter what.
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So now we need to put a product out there
that's gonna that's gonna win win on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Larry, Yeah, you preaching to the choir here. I mean,
I hate. I mean, what has gone on so far
with you, k football is what I feared going into
the season. You kept trying to bring me slowly along
and I was wanting to, but I just couldn't make myself.
We want to get there, and I thought after the
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Old Miss game, yeah, maybe I'm going to be able
to kind of get there. But now I don't know, Anthony,
it's just troublesome. I watched Texas yesterday. The way Texas
started out, I thought, well, yeah, this might maybe this
week's going to be okay. Then is a Texas defense
just dominated the rest of that game That really really
worries me about going into this week now with the
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troubled UK offense has already had, and watch that Texas
defense the way they just dominated Oklahoma pretty much the
whole game. And Manning wasn't his numbers weren't overpowering at quarterback,
but I think he ended up going like what twenty
and twenty four for two hundred yards. Their offense looked
a little better than what it had been looking. So again,
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another tough game coming up for Kentucky. And just with
what you've seen, what an offense can't score, it's hard
to win. And then you complicate that with the defense
has not been as good. It's what it normally has
been in Kentucky and what we were expecting. It's just
hard to see a path where like this game against
Sex is winnable for Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And I got and this. We just have a history
and I know a lot of people talk about jinxes,
and you know, just the history of our program. Man
we have a history of letting or letting quarterbacks, being
a coming out party for a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I fear that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Manning is going to come out and look just like
his uncles. I just got it. I just got a
feeling he's gonna come out and maybe maybe throw for
four hundred yards. Do I have faith in him? I
got faith in our defense. But it's just when we
have a big name or someone you haven't heard of
who poses a running threat to our defense, they just
just don't miss on anything Like last year with DJ Lagway, man.
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I didn't. I didn't know who that guy was. Man,
he did everything he wanted to do with us, So
I fear that. But before we go to break, I
did want to ask, does do you think one our
offensive coordinator makes it through the season, because if he
gets any worse, I think there has to be some
sacrifice somewhere. And if you do that, he makes it
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through the season. Do you think that he comes back
next year?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I think he will make it through the season because
it just doesn't seem like Mark Stoops for Mitch Barnhart's
style to let anybody go during the season. I don't
and I don't know whether if you did let him go,
do you make Mike hartline the OC for the remainder
of the season? Do you bring Eddie Grant out of
the coaching, out of the administrative role making I mean,
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I don't know what you would do, so I don't
that's a move I don't see them making. If Mark
Stoops is back next year, I don't see any way
you could be able to break Bush Hamdon back next
year just based on the offensive numbers. I mean, I
think we both like Bush, but just the numbers just
wouldn't allow you to do that. I mean, he departed
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ways with Scangarello. I think probably Scangarello's numbers were as
good or better than what they've been the pay year
and a half, so I wouldn't see any way you
could bring him back. But also, I mean, I think,
and I know, Mark always says he's never involved with
the offense. He doesn't do this, doesn't do that. But
there's just too many as you said, there's too many
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things that change one thing's days a constant, and the
offense doesn't ever get any different whether he's in there
just saying hey, we got we gotta hang out of
the ball, we got to kill time. And that's the
way his and the offensive coordinators then don't feel free
to do what they want. I don't know, but there's
just kind to be a huge change in what you think.
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I mean, I always go back to when you were there,
Bill Curry, great guy, person i'd love to have for
a neighbor. Just wasn't working out.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So what UK do?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
They took it a chance, went out and got an
offensive minded guy and how Mummy rolled the dice and
it worked And I still think would have worked great.
Say'd have made him make a few other little changes
for things kind of went south on him. But they've
got to do something. You've got to have an offense
to have in today's college football that want to have
a chance to win, but more importantly to entertain fans
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and players. I think players want to play for a
place it's fun to play. I don't know that right
now you would consider Kentucky a fun place to play.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That is Larry Vaught. We'll continue the show when we
come back from this break. You're listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 1 (36:36):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught. Larry, we ain't got a
whole lot of time. You got to get to a break.
But when we come back, we're gonna have Greg Williams,
father Cam Williams, who knocked down the half court shot
all bottom, no running start or nothing, just straight jumper
kind of shoot like Lebron. Like Lebron probably shoots three
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quarter courts were regular form, which means you got to
be extremely strong. Was Greg? Was Greg a basketball player?
Where did Cam get his skills from Larry? Unless something
we need to ask him. But I don't know if
he has a basketball background as well.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think he does so because that's a pretty big
basketball family, So I think he's got a basketball background.
But in just a couple of minutes, we'll let him know.
The only thing that surprised me is when Cam hit
the shot and I was a little disappointed and Greg,
I figured he would store.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
In the court.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Now that is true, he should have. Well, how do
we know he did it though, wouldn't get to it.
How do we know he didn't because they ran, They
all ran to the tunnel and started, you know how
they do that little pat him on the head, like
patting a teammate on the head and stuff. So he
could have been somewhere over there.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Well, I've gone back and looked at every video angle
I can find it. I can't find him. So we
let him tell us all about that. But he's also
been at least one or two of the practices, So
just kind of anxious get his overall thoughts on what's
going on and I still think his son Cam's gonna
be a bigger factor for this year's team than what
some people still think.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We will have to find out why he didn't store
in the court Larry Vall. But I can say this,
Maybe he's like Dennis Johnson. Maybe he says way up
in the corner of the by the gym, so he
ain't have time to get down there.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You know, I thought yesterday when I saw the Pope
went to the top Road to get the judges for
the dunk contest, I thought, what if Dennis is sitting
away up there and he just brings Dennis.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That would be neat. When we come back, we'll have
Greg Williams on the talk about his son Cam and
about Big Blue Madness and the excitement all went down
this weekend. We'll be back after this year listening to
Stockyards Bank Sunday when the sports talk on news radio
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Welcome Back Stockyards bank Son in one of the Sports
talk on Anthony White along with Jack Pilgrim and Larry
Vaup coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market studios
in downtown les Ink in Kentucky, Clark's Pumpy Shop, Return,
Refresh and Refuel. Jack Pilgrim seemed to be a pretty
good weekend, but just like all things, there's always room
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for improvement. But apparently there's some scuttle butt about some
friction that took place at the fan event or around
the fan of it. Can you enlighten me?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to address that so in fact
that some of it I got to witness.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Firsthand and seeing it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So let's kind of remember that this is a free
event that came out.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Of thin air. Wasn't replacing anything else.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
This was a a hey, we want to do this
for the average fan that doesn't get to a ten
you know games throughout the season that can't get their hand.
You know, weren't one of the first people to buy
tickets within the first twenty nine minutes of Big Blue
Madness selling out.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And you know that that can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That this was their opportunity to meet and greet the
players and the coaches and all of those things with
vendors and all that stuff. So this was just an
idem made up out of thin air with with UK
Athletics and say, hey, how can we give back to
the average fan that doesn't get to experience all the
other fun stuff that happens throughout the season that this
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event was for them.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So with that comes good and bad. It's a trial run.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's an you know, experiment of hey, let's see what works,
let's see what sticks, let's see what doesn't. They had
it in their their mind that the players would have
an hour to sign autographs, and the line got backed
up pretty pretty long, and you know, there was a
several hundred fans that did not get autographs signed and
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did use up a lot of.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You know, the event was from twelve to four point thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
They used up a lot of their time to stand
in line and not get anything signed. And there was
a lot of pushback from that after the fact. But
you know, the counter to that on on the UK side,
And you know, I talked to UK afterward and you
know kind of said, hey, for what this event was
and how how you guys put this thing together and
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all the other things on top of it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know, you can't you can't be perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
The event can't go you know, totally smooth sailing with
no pushback whatsoever. But you know, my kind of devil's
advocate side to the fan that was upset about not
being able to get their things signed or whatever is.
You know, you had the choice to to.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Stand in line right when you got there.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You could you could have been the very first person
in line and decided to you know, use that as
as your time, or you could have gone to the
other vendors and explored the other you know, championship trophies
and equipment that they had laid out, and you know,
they had the old retro UK games going. They had
free tattoos given out, they had food trucks and meet
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and greets.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Khalil Whitney was playing one on one with kids on
a basketball court.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
On the other side, there were inflatables, there were so
many other you know, Mark Pope was up on stage
for thirty minutes breaking down x's and o's in film
for the fan base. I mean, there were so many
other cool things that came with this event that was
totally free, no questions asked for for the average fan,
that the alternative was them sitting at home all day
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on Saturday on their couch watching college football, that they
got to use that time to be around BBN, to
be around the team, to be you know, watch Mark
Pope do a meet, you know, meet and greet x's
and O, you know, the players introducing themselves up on stage.
It was it was on top of experience that they
wouldn't have gotten without this event. So, you know, I
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do think that there has to be some grace on
BBN side of like, hey, they went out of their
way to do their best for a free event. But
if you're going to have thirty five hundred people in
there and only an hour for these players to sign like,
you got to know what you're signing up for and
expect some turbulence with the event. So, all things considered,
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UK nailed it. It was a really well done event
that obviously it wasn't going to be perfect, but you
can only control what you can control and what Kentucky
was able to control, not without you know, it wasn't perfect,
and they have taken some of those things into account
for next year to make the event bigger and better
and more efficient, and maybe the logistics a little bit better,
but fans got to remember what the event is and
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that it was free and that it was designed to
be in a one, one off plus experience for the
average fan that can't attend other things. So I just
want to just kind of speak on you K's behalf
and say, hey, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I get your frustration.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Standing in line and not getting anything as a result
of that is frustrating, But you know, you could have
gotten in line earlier and been one of the first
people to do that and sacrifice the time that you
spent on the team bus that brought in Mark Pope
and the championship teams and you know all the other
things that they had on top of it. If you know,
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those people, my understanding, got in line later and then
kind of felt felt that they got jipped on.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
The back end.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So I see, I understand the frustration, but I do
want to speak up on UK's behalf on that one.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And what's your number roughly? What would you say roughly?
Would you say a percentage that may have missed out
of attendees.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was probably half, like being oh wow, totally honest,
it was probably half the people that were in line,
but also my understanding on the UK side that you know,
they tried to you know, hand out three and three
pennants and things to the people that were obviously not
going to get in line. But also there's some common
sense that's involved with your you know, both five hundred
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people deep in the line and there's twenty minutes left
before the you know, before the buzzer, sounds like you
gotta kind of have them, you know, understanding of the
situation that hey, there are odds if we've not moved
very quickly in the first forty minutes, why would they
magically move that quickly in the last twenty. So like,
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I do feel like there's some accountability necessary, but again
it's it's a free event. It was I understand the frustration,
and I'm trying to see both sides of it with
the fan base because I would personally be frustrated if
I stood in line for two hours and didn't get
anything as a result of it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So I feel them.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I understand their pain, but I also know where UK
is coming from that they truly.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Did do their best.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This was not something that they watched it all unfold
and go eh, screw them, you know, they they recognizes
that in real time and said, man, we wish we
could have done that a little bit better, but you
got to kind of give them some grace. This was
their first first go at it. And again underline exclamation mark,
this was a free event. The alternative was sitting at
home on your couch while watching college football all day
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leading up to big momatus.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So you know, it was it was, yeah, go for there.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I suppose was it clear though, that if you were
a blong to the BBN United that you got first
access and if you didn't belong to that, that you
were going to be farther back in the line.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
That part I am not sure of.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And I do know that that if there is a
gripe about that, because it was my understanding that there
was a fast pass line or something of the sort
that was supposed to be that was supposed to be
made to the BBN United subscribers. So that is a
different story. And if if you were a big BBN
United subscriber, I could totally see the gripes there that
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they did present it as a fast pass opportunity that
you could be you know, kind of get get get
a head head start on the competition.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
If you will.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
For for that, So that those gripes I totally understand
and I know UK here's those and they felt that
in real time as well, So uh that that that
is a worthy gripe. But I'm more more of the
people that just kind of showed up expecting to you know,
them to sign thirty five hundred autographs and that amount
of time. I just, you know, gotta gotta speak up
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on UK the behalf on that one.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, But I was meaning more that maybe some of
those thirty five hundred people didn't know there was space
passed access and there may not be a chance for
them to get it. I didn't remember reading that anywhere
or anything like that. But again, if on the UK's part,
when you announced free and open to the public, you
had to anticipate the turnout was going to be huge,
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I would have thought, and to know there was a
really good change, something like this was gonna what's gonna happen.
You're right, it's a great event, and I don't like that.
But when you're gonna say free and open to the public,
you got to know there's got to be thousands of
people there.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So but they specified there was there would be a cap,
though they specified on on every every release that it
would be due to the subject to safety regulations and
that they would be capped at thirty five hundred. That
was the that was the not and as people would leave,
more would be allowed in that The most that could
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be in that room at anyone any one time was
thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Larry, have you heard any other grapes about that? And Larry,
what's the just knowing what I know about the univer
will know what I know about the university, but also
more so what I know about Mark Pope? What if
what kind of graps have you heard about that situation?
And what are the eyes? Do you think Mark pop?
Mark Pope makes it, makes it right, or tries to
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make it right?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
At least.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I would think Mark would do anything that he could
to try to make it right. But I think you
got a better person to ask that question than me
right there in the studio with you this morning. Let
Bo explain. He was there and one of those that
didn't get autographs, so maybe he can explain what was
going on a little bit better than we can't because
he was actually there.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Bo, Yes, why you didn't get an autograph. Why you
didn't get your buddy in line? First person?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Oh gosh, where do you want me to start? And
how much time do you have? Timing was a little
difficult yesterday. As I was telling you in the break,
I was down here at seven point thirty because I
had come into the studio, and so that kind of
threw me off by about two and a half hours
when I walked down to rapp Aerna. Here's an aspect
of this that we did not address. Jack may have
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saw it. The line getting into Central Bank Center stretched
down High Street and into Gaton Park. Not at the entryway,
the little tunnel going into the park. It stretched through
the tunnel down into Gatt Park. Now, how many people
were awaiting in line? Like Jack said, if you timed
it out really good when you got into the fan
fest and you knew that the autographs were going to
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happen at I believe what two o'clock, Jack, is when
they were going to start. And as soon as you
got in there and you made a bee line to
the autograph line, you were taken care of. But if
you stood around and you went to the other vendors
and you talked and took pictures, and then you got
into line forty five minutes later. You were not going
to get any autographs. I got in line a little
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bit late, stood there for an hour and a half.
I don't feel bad for me not getting any autographs.
This is on me that I was just running behind
on things. Who I feel bad for is that family
that drove all the way from Texas that was two
rows above me to get autographs. I felt sorry for
the family that drove all the way from Florida to
come up here for the fan fest. That's who I
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feel bad for. As far as the BBN United and
the fast pass deal, it looked like to me that
those people were being into grat into the general population
the rest of us. So they try to space it
out the best they could. As Jack said, it's a
fan fest. It's the first one. There are going to
be some bumps in the road. You do what you can,
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you learn from it, and you go on to next year.
What did you expect? What's going to happen? People were
not going to get autographs.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And you didn't try to get in line to get one,
or you got in line a just I.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Got in line but I didn't make the cuts, so
you know what, I turned around, walked off and then
had a great visit with Khalil Whitney, had a great
visit with Darius Miller. Totally cool with that. Yeah, a
little disorganized.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
What do you do.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
It's a live conference, Kentucky basketball fans. There's going to
be some bumps. You learn from it and you move
on till next year.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
If you waited in line and got an autograph, or
you waited in line and didn't I get autograph, tell
us about your experience. We would like to hear about it.
We will be back after this year. Or listening to
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see what Larry has to say, good morning, Larry, what
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do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Hey, how y'all doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Doing pretty good?
Speaker 7 (13:37):
It ain't been much football talk, and I know he's
off this week. Me know, I was on that and
what do you think? I know, Andy, you know, I
was kind of thinking, well, let's see how when they
play somebody, how good they actually are. Maybe I don't
maybe organing as good as I think, but they went
in there. I just sen, you know, watch a little
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bit of the end of it, and they beat him
at ten points that organ. I'm sitting there thinking, you know,
I think Indiana's got to yourself a pretty good coach.
Looked like me. I mean, he done it last year,
had a good, you know, a good record. This year
he's backing it up. I mean, the way they're playing,
they're going to be in the playoffs, you know, two
years of ruin. And I was sitting there thinking, man,
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you know, for thirty years, for well forty fifty years,
we've been dreaming of getting there as a program like his.
And this guy goes in Indiana and I don't know
what he can. Can I actually sustain this for a
long period of time, But seems like to me he's
got something going up er, you know, and people keep
talking about the we're big ten and goods SEC we'll
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best are Remember the big ten won the title last year,
you know, And so I mean, what what's your take
on that about this coach? You think they'll be able
to hold on him?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think, well, then that's the thing. I think that
Indiana's been coming this direction for a while. They've the
past couple of years, they've slowly progressed the same way
we did. H they had, you know, a lot more
success quicker than we did. But I think you are
onto something. I think if within the next year or two,
he's probably gonna move on to something bigger and better.
(15:11):
I think here we may have just uh outstayed our
He may have overstayed his time here, but they progressed
kind of like we did, and you know, they were
tiptoeing on being a really good team. In these past
couple of years, they've been really good. And I think
at a school like Indiana Kentucky, I think you have
to look for a bigger shot. And there's gonna be
a lot of SEC jobs open this offseason, So I
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wouldn't be surprised if he if he hopped jumped ship
and came to the sec.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Well, Florida people were done and are not very happy.
So you know that might be a destination right there,
you know, going to Florida, nice pretty place down or
little and but you know, it just it just urged
me that, you know, we've tried so hard over the
years and we bought, we built these facilities, and our
facilities are better than Indiana. I mean, you think about it,
and you know, even Vandy's but you know Vandy said
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some success or sweep eat them quite a bit the
last few years. But but you know in Indiana, I
mean I sent other think, we spent all this money,
all these facilities, and we've got nice facilities up forer
and we still just seem like it just maybe it's
just ain't the right hire. I think what Mark Soups
has done, you know, I appreciate what it did. Of
course he got us to this certain point, but now
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it's kind of like going over mountain, any kind of
heading down heel and now you going downhill. But but
I've sent there thinking here, y'all going to Oregon, y'all
beat Organ but ten in Oregon, you know they got
all that money out there, and I was just watching
them kids' faces over They were really devastated. They lost
in Indiana. But but I said a few weeks ago
to the Indiana I mean, I don't like Indiana, but
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I might have to give them am to brag. I mean,
they got something going up per But I just wish
we could do it, is the only thing I'm saying.
And you know, it's just it's an earned shame that
dollar fans support and stuff, and that we can't get
to sometime get into the playoffs. You know, Missouri got
int the playoffs a couple of times ere and of
course they got to beat your Stay by a good team.
But you know, right now, I would say that we're
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we're probably at the bottom of this. He say, you know,
you look at the teams that are playing, and I mean,
can you name men Bay that we could probably be
maybe Mississippi State. I don't know if he good Baked Town.
You know, they gave other teams good what's your take
on that deal? Like, do you think we're at the
bottom right now?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Uh, thank you for the call, Larry. We throw that
around a little bit. Yeah, I think we are now.
I think it's gonna be tough. As I stayed in
the past couple of weeks, I didn't really want to
go down this this avenue. But I do think that
we it's gonna be hard to turn this thing around.
I'm not sure if the players are still going to
buy in. We'll see coming off this bye week. I
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will be surprised if we do anything different coming off
this bye week than we have the past seven eight
years coming off bye weeks. But Jack, it is, we
ain't got a lot of time, but it is kind
of surprising, you know what Indiana's doing with Vanderbilts doing
some of these schools. But I don't think it's going
to be long either. I don't think that Indiana's going
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to turn into Ohio State or Michigan in that conference
over the next five to ten years. But the success
their experience, I think is pretty good, but it costs
reminds me of us going nine and three a couple
of times, and our fan base not appreciated either.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, I wouldn't say that the fan base does not
appreciate it. In real time, we appreciated every single snap
of it.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But it's there's.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Also a period after that where when you see the
trajectory spiraling into a dumpster, then you can call it
is what it is and say the history was great,
the past was great, but the future looks bleak. And yes,
when you see people, you know, this program complaining about
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the finances and the funds and how will we ever compete,
we just we're just this, you know, don't have the
talent in Kentucky. We just don't have the resources. And
then you see Indiana absolutely steamrolling to a college football
playoff and then continue following it up with yet another
unbelievable run. You go, oh, well, what's well, what's their excuse?
Well how how are they able.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
To do it? But we're not.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's like, oh, yeah, it's because we're making excuses and
they're not. So yeah, I'm glad that we can see
some other uh you know, less than you know, Ohio
States and Michigan's and you know, somebody other than the
tip top of those leagues doing doing what Kentucky could
be doing in.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
The SEC and has done in the in the past.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But we were making excuses as to why why we
can't be doing that under the current leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So uh oh well, well we'll see how how.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
This all ends and hopefully we're having a different conversation
this offseason.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
That is Jack Pilgrim following him on all social media platforms.
We'll continue the show after this year. Listening Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 6 (19:54):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I mean
Anthony White along with Larry Vaught. This hour Sunday Morning
Sports Talk is brought to you by Country Boy Brewing
Larry Vaught. Before we went to break, Larry from Levenon
called in and was kind of, I guess, talking about
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just the top twenty five and how some other teams
about our level is performing at this point, mainly Indiana.
I don't know because they don't have a historically good
football team, but they are rocking and roll and their
coach has been there two years. Coaching the year last
year makes eight million dollars, by the way, Larry Vault,
(20:52):
so per year, so I guess that's going to be
the going rate for it a new coach if you
want to coach that's up and coming or that is
going to be I guess have the pedigree to sustain
success here. Are you agree with Carler Larry that you
know what Indiana's doing makes us look bad? Or you
believe in Indian orgy And do you think is sustainable
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at Indiana or does and does a coach stay there
too as long as Mark the Stoops stayed here? Or
once you start experienced success, do you try to look
for exit playing a Texas A and MS or something
and get the fan base all riled up.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well, one, I think what Indiana's doing does does hurt
Kentucky because you're looking at what Indiana, even Vanderbilt is
doing right now and you're thinking, wow, Kentucky seems to
be regressing. They seem to be progressing or progressing, and
it's it's a tough peal for UK most UK fans
to swallow. I think because Indiana Red looked good yesterday.
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I mean, they go into Oregon and win, that was
an impressive showing by them, and the way they're schedules
set up, it's hard to imagine them not being in
the College Football Playoffs for a second straight year. So yeah,
that can that be sustainable. I don't know, but he's
done in two years in a row, and he's looking
pretty good at doing it. It might be a little easier
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to sustain in the Big Ten than it is in
the SEC. And would he jump, well, dollars talk, but
as you said, he's making pretty good money. And if
you can get into the college football playoffs and you're
there at Indiana doing it, do you jump? Like I say,
if you'd had a chance to come to the SEC,
could you get the SEC? It's gonna be a whole
lot harder to try to get into the playoffs, I
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think than what it is Indiana. So I don't know
if he jumps ship or not.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Anthony, Yeah, you were right. The rest of their schedule,
unless you're looking at history, they got Michigan State. But
other than that, UCLA hasn't been lights out. Maryland probably
maybe their best contest coming up. Penn State may see
if they're still for real. But they're three and three
in the they're three and three overall right now. Wisconsin
(23:02):
look like I said, but they're kind of like US.
I think Purdue is not as bad as their record shows.
I don't think Penn State is as bad as their
record show. But if you're just going by records and
how many how many games they've lost this year, then
I'm with you. I think Indiana may have a chance
to run it back.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
But yeah, so again that that's troubling enough for the
way I look at it. Kentucky's got enough issues of
their own without trying to compare to anybody else. The
bottom line of Kentucky as things are not going great
right now. I mean, the offense that we were told
was going to be better than what it was last year,
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the numbers are just about the same at this point
of the season. That's what it was well last year
on offensive production. The passing game is struggling again. And
I think even more surprising to me is the way
that the defensive numbers have gone up to The defense
I thought was going to be better overall than what
it has been, but it just is not there. Giving
(24:05):
up I think, what's a little bit over four hundred
yards per game through five games after last year, I
think at this time they gave last year, they gave
up what about three hundred and forty yards a game.
That's a pretty big jump there, Anthony, for a unit
that you that I both thought was going to be
pretty good overall.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And that's what has me more concerned about the season
is how the season's going to finish, how next season
is going to come back around. Uh it. The defense
was something you could always rely on. You could always
rely on Brad White putting forth a defense that may
sometimes bend but not break, but you can always count
(24:42):
on them to keep you in the game. And you know,
I thought maybe they had got fatigued sometimes last year
sometimes this year, where you know they hold them on
first down, you win on first down, second down you win,
or sustain third down, we let them off, We let
them off the hook, and people are converting on fourth downs,
which you know, it's the defense is actually better than
it looks. I think we win so much on first down.
(25:05):
Third and mediums or third and longs are tough for us.
So when they pick those up, then you know that's
an extra ten yards eight yards, So the per plays
go up, of the yards per play goes up. But
that is the one thing that really does have me
concerned because I thought that Brad White and Mark Stoups
together was a good unit. I thought that is one
part of the team you could always count on. The
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offense was supposed to be better this year, and I'm
with you, I think it may have gotten not not
personnel wise, because I think our offensive line is playing better.
I don't know why we continue to use the same
receivers And we saw last game. We didn't have a
game last week, but we saw last game that there's
some younger talent out there that's not getting an opportunity.
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Why are you not getting an opportunity? So why if
the guys that are that are not working for us,
why do they continue to get reps? And then we
see glipses of younger guys who as talent, Why are
they sitting behind other guys? So it is, you know,
it seems like there's some consistency issues, and I think
now I don't know if it's funneled throughout the whole
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team or trickle throughout the whole team where now it's
affecting our defense. But I'm kind of with you on that,
and that is kind of why I believe there probably
needs to be changed because everyone that we talk about
on our podcast on Wednesday, everyone called was comment on
that about, well, he's the whoever leads the team is
responsible for all these things we have questions about. And
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I've told you for years on this show that if
I can't understand what they're trying to accomplish, or I'm
looking at some of the play calling, or you know,
the consistencies and play calling, or you know, just the
ability to get off the field, or to keep the
move the chains on third down, those third and long
thirty meeting we call screen passes. And there's a lot
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of things that just don't make sense to me, which
seems like we're unstable, which I guess everybody says that
comes from up top. But the one thing that is
starting to get concerning for me, and you've been in
media for long time, you think the rumors, and nowadays
with AI and all this fake stuff going around, every
time I turn on social media, there's a comment or
(27:09):
something being said. There's a fake post. I think last
week about Bush Hampden. There's another fake post about Mark
Stoop's going going somewhere else, which you obviously know mostly
that stuff is fake from the beginning, But does that
start to trickle into not the psyche of the coach
per se, but started to frust rate Mark even more
(27:31):
because he seems extremely frustrated from the last press conference
we talked about last week that well, these things start
to irritate them a little more and make things worse
for our program.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I think they would definitely will irritate Mark. I mean,
I don't think there's any doubt about that. But also
I think when you look at the results, you got
to understand why those rumors, speculation and I would trickle
in there because I mean, that's what you kind of
opened yourself up for. And it's really interesting because and
(28:05):
going into last season, you remember the UK coaching staff
was just bubbly and their talk about wet, we could
maybe contend for the SEC title, We're gonna be a
playoff team and all that, and then boom that blew
up in their faith. So this summer took the exact
VIPs approach. Didn't say anything, just a couple of silence,
almost didn't saying well, now that's kind of blown up
(28:27):
in their face because things are not going well again.
And one of the things you point out earlier is
one of the biggest things to me. All spring and
all preseason, we heard about some of these young receivers,
how well they were looking at all I can, and
maybe I get you paid these transfers and you brought
them in and they're supposed to be your guys, and
you start the season out. But how far do you
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go before you let some of those young guys that
you raved about all spring and all month of August
let them get in there. And then when you put
Cam Miller in, he catches three passes for forty two
yards and quarter They've got guys that have played all
season have been able to do that. So let's see
some DJ Miller. Let's maybe see some Montavin Quizzenberry, Let's
see what I mean. I don't see how they could
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possibly do any worse than what has been done. And
maybe that would give Cutter Bowley or whoever's playing quarterback
a change to have some targets, because the part you
would need to explain to me is why I can
tight ends get open, but no wide receivers get open.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, And that's what's really surprising to me, because we
thought last year and we had a gonna say such turnover,
but on the top end of our receiving corps, we
lost two, you know, all SEC performers, and everybody thought
that that may have been the problem in the locker
room may have been the problem we those guys are
not here anymore. Even the receiver coach is a new
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receiver coach, so there's only like, there's only one thing
that's been consistent between last year and this year. And
the receiving room looks a lot different than it did
last year, but we're still having the same problems. And
I know the times Bush tries to move Law and
some of those guys around to get them free releases
or get them releases where they don't get jammed up,
but the effort on some of the routes aren't there.
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And sometimes Larry that comes from the receivers on the
back side of the routes being ignored or being the
second or being the third option, third or fourth option,
and your quarterbacks only making one or two reads, so
they don't have a sense of urgency to run a
good route. So even the times that they are open
there or they're on soft zones, they're running half routes
which the which doesn't look open to the quarterbacks, so
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they're not throwing it to you. But there's a lot
of fundamental issues with the receiving room. But I'm with you,
and I'm with you that everything changed last year, but
a couple things like there's all new receivers, we got
other new people. There's only a couple of things that's
consistent from last year. But like you said, the production
is the same as last year. I will say this
about you're talking about what we paid or how much
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players are making to come here. If we're losing, I
don't they're gonna they're cashing the same check. They're gonna
cash a check whether we win or lose. If we're
gonna lose and I'm paying you this amount of money,
I mean as well try to keep my job, especially
if I'm an off as a coordinator or receiver coach.
I wanted to play the guys that's gonna make my
offense looks good. I want to I want to play
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the guys who makes my room look good. So I
know we have said that quite a bit, how much
guys are making, But after last year and the way
this year started off, you kind of got to scrap
your check book and say, look, no, a lot of
y'all are not gonna have jobs. If you continue to
play the guys that you paid, they're getting the money
already like they're gonna get paid that money no matter what.
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So now we need to put a product out there
that's gonna that's gonna win win on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Larry, Yeah, you preaching to the choir here. I mean,
I hate. I mean, what has gone on so far
with you, k football is what I feared going into
the season. You kept trying to bring me slowly along
and I was wanting to, but I just couldn't make myself.
We want to get there, and I thought after the
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Old Miss game, yeah, maybe I'm going to be able
to kind of get there. But now I don't know, Anthony,
it's just troublesome. I watched Texas yesterday. The way Texas
started out, I thought, well, yeah, this might maybe this
week's going to be okay. Then is a Texas defense
just dominated the rest of that game That really really
worries me about going into this week now with the
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troubled UK offense has already had, and watch that Texas
defense the way they just dominated Oklahoma pretty much the
whole game. And Manning wasn't his numbers weren't overpowering at quarterback,
but I think he ended up going like what twenty
and twenty four for two hundred yards. Their offense looked
a little better than what it had been looking. So again,
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another tough game coming up for Kentucky. And just with
what you've seen, what an offense can't score, it's hard
to win. And then you complicate that with the defense
has not been as good. It's what it normally has
been in Kentucky and what we were expecting. It's just
hard to see a path where like this game against
Sex is winnable for Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And I got and this. We just have a history
and I know a lot of people talk about jinxes,
and you know, just the history of our program. Man
we have a history of letting or letting quarterbacks, being
a coming out party for a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I fear that.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Manning is going to come out and look just like
his uncles. I just got it. I just got a
feeling he's gonna come out and maybe maybe throw for
four hundred yards. Do I have faith in him? I
got faith in our defense. But it's just when we
have a big name or someone you haven't heard of
who poses a running threat to our defense, they just
just don't miss on anything Like last year with DJ Lagway, man.
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I didn't. I didn't know who that guy was. Man,
he did everything he wanted to do with us, So
I fear that. But before we go to break, I
did want to ask, does do you think one our
offensive coordinator makes it through the season, because if he
gets any worse, I think there has to be some
sacrifice somewhere. And if you do that, he makes it
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through the season. Do you think that he comes back
next year?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I think he will make it through the season because
it just doesn't seem like Mark Stoops for Mitch Barnhart's
style to let anybody go during the season. I don't
and I don't know whether if you did let him go,
do you make Mike hartline the OC for the remainder
of the season? Do you bring Eddie Grant out of
the coaching, out of the administrative role making I mean,
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I don't know what you would do, so I don't
that's a move I don't see them making. If Mark
Stoops is back next year, I don't see any way
you could be able to break Bush Hamdon back next
year just based on the offensive numbers. I mean, I
think we both like Bush, but just the numbers just
wouldn't allow you to do that. I mean, he departed
(34:53):
ways with Scangarello. I think probably Scangarello's numbers were as
good or better than what they've been the pay year
and a half, so I wouldn't see any way you
could bring him back. But also, I mean, I think,
and I know, Mark always says he's never involved with
the offense. He doesn't do this, doesn't do that. But
there's just too many as you said, there's too many
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things that change one thing's days a constant, and the
offense doesn't ever get any different whether he's in there
just saying hey, we got we gotta hang out of
the ball, we got to kill time. And that's the
way his and the offensive coordinators then don't feel free
to do what they want. I don't know, but there's
just kind to be a huge change in what you think.
(35:37):
I mean, I always go back to when you were there,
Bill Curry, great guy, person i'd love to have for
a neighbor. Just wasn't working out.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So what UK do?
Speaker 4 (35:47):
They took it a chance, went out and got an
offensive minded guy and how Mummy rolled the dice and
it worked And I still think would have worked great.
Say'd have made him make a few other little changes
for things kind of went south on him. But they've
got to do something. You've got to have an offense
to have in today's college football that want to have
a chance to win, but more importantly to entertain fans
(36:09):
and players. I think players want to play for a
place it's fun to play. I don't know that right
now you would consider Kentucky a fun place to play.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That is Larry Vaught. We'll continue the show when we
come back from this break. You're listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning Sports Talk on News Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 1 (36:36):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught. Larry, we ain't got a
whole lot of time. You got to get to a break.
But when we come back, we're gonna have Greg Williams,
father Cam Williams, who knocked down the half court shot
all bottom, no running start or nothing, just straight jumper
kind of shoot like Lebron. Like Lebron probably shoots three
(36:59):
quarter courts were regular form, which means you got to
be extremely strong. Was Greg? Was Greg a basketball player?
Where did Cam get his skills from Larry? Unless something
we need to ask him. But I don't know if
he has a basketball background as well.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think he does so because that's a pretty big
basketball family, So I think he's got a basketball background.
But in just a couple of minutes, we'll let him know.
The only thing that surprised me is when Cam hit
the shot and I was a little disappointed and Greg,
I figured he would store.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
In the court.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Now that is true, he should have. Well, how do
we know he did it though, wouldn't get to it.
How do we know he didn't because they ran, They
all ran to the tunnel and started, you know how
they do that little pat him on the head, like
patting a teammate on the head and stuff. So he
could have been somewhere over there.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Well, I've gone back and looked at every video angle
I can find it. I can't find him. So we
let him tell us all about that. But he's also
been at least one or two of the practices, So
just kind of anxious get his overall thoughts on what's
going on and I still think his son Cam's gonna
be a bigger factor for this year's team than what
some people still think.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
We will have to find out why he didn't store
in the court Larry Vall. But I can say this,
Maybe he's like Dennis Johnson. Maybe he says way up
in the corner of the by the gym, so he
ain't have time to get down there.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You know, I thought yesterday when I saw the Pope
went to the top Road to get the judges for
the dunk contest, I thought, what if Dennis is sitting
away up there and he just brings Dennis.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That would be neat. When we come back, we'll have
Greg Williams on the talk about his son Cam and
about Big Blue Madness and the excitement all went down
this weekend. We'll be back after this year listening to
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