Sunday Morning Sports Talk - September 7, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back, Stockyards Bank Sunday one and Sports Talk. I'm
Anthony White along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim, coming
to you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown
Lexing to Kentucky Talking Kentucky, Old Miss State of UK Football,
just a lot of the happenings of the game yesterday.

(00:22):
The Clark's Main Street Market Studios phone line are lit
up if you'd like to join the show. Eight five
nine to eight zero two to eight seven. That's eight
five nine to eight zero cats. There's a lot of
lively conversation on social media. Everybody's supporting Jack, and I
think everybody's supporting Larry. I'm not certain of what the

(00:45):
solution is. I'm not happy with the way the program
is going the way that we performed yesterday on the
office side of the ball, but there's a lot of
blame to go around. I'm not certain Larry Vaught if
changing the quarterback will fit the play calling. But there
are times that Bush had even though on those last

(01:06):
couple of drives, Bush had some good plays called execution
when then call a passing p I. One time the
tight end dropped the ball, one time you know, some
alignment issues cause problems, so there are some things that
was not the coaches problem, but it seems like we
are ill prepared. So I'm understanding the frustration that you
guys have. I understand the frustration that the fan base has.

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And now the whole discussion on the interwebs are the
fan base is upset because as long as Mark Stups
has been a coaching what he's being paid for, these
mistakes should not be consistently made, and they've people are
saying they've been consistently made throughout the time here. I
guess I understand. I agree with that because any other

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job you do, if you don't perform it at the
highest level, something has to happen. I guess the only
part I make the only part I'm at odds with
our fan base because we started the season. Our fan
base started the season without a lot of support, and
I think that we got to this point through Mark Stoops.

(02:10):
So the whole idea of let's let him go and
start over, I can be convinced, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Gonna lead that.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm not gonna lead that that chance, just because I
just don't think it's fair. Somebody bring you this far
and you dump them. But I do understand your frustration.
So the people in there who thinks that I'm trying
to save the program, I have no allegiance to the program.
They have no allegiance to me. So I'm not supporting
the program for that reason. I'm supporting the program and
Mark stoops because he's created all this excitement and expectation.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
So I'm not just so quick to dump them. Now.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
If this season turns out, if it gets a lot
worse and we don't crrack some of these problems, then
then I'll buy into the fan base. But does that
make sense to you, Larry Vaux?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Kinda? But the last several years have not. There's been
too many little things that continually go wrong. I think
that's the issue right now. And he did raise expectations,
which is a great thing to do. But he's getting
paid enough to have expectations raised, and when you don't

(03:20):
meet them, you've got an answer for that. I mean,
I worked somewhere for forty one years. Think I did
a pretty good job. They decided to fire me. I
have a buyout or anything like that. They decided to
cut loose with me. So what happens every day in
every business, and the buyout certainly makes it different. And again,

(03:41):
if you win that game yesterday, everything, I think the
whole narrative about this season changes if you just make
a play or two. And again, I think it's frustrating
to a lot of fans that I talked to or
a message with, because the game could not have started
any better for Kentucky. Tyd Bright made those two play
you're up ten to nothing.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
You got the.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Fans, basis both said, really energized, really into the game,
and then you just kind of squander opportunities and don't
get the kind of play that I think you were
paying to get at quarterback. And as you said, offensive
line may not be great, but it's not bad the
quarterback play. Could not blame the offensive line because they've

(04:23):
got enough of a running game there. But when the
teams know you can't throw the ball on the field, Anthony,
I think it makes defense defensive coordinator a lot easier.
Over on the other side, I would think, well, they
know you. What does see the staff yesterday that that
Zach has now completed five percent off the passes he's
stone over five yards.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
There's something really is really down there. I think yesterday that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wouldn't you what's that?

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I said? I think you could complete five percent of
over five yards?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh, I certainly can, twenty I certainly can.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
There's there's a lot that So the other I was
you asked there was a question that'sked on social media.
I wanted to ask you this, why is Jack Jack?
Do you think that Nick Saban made operational decisions for
Alabama or do you think he just made executive decisions?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
A little bit of both, but more executives.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So I fear I think the solution for Mark Stoops
is to hire somebody to make the operational decisions. I
don't think he trusts anybody on his staff to make
those decisions. And I was thinking about the game. Do
you realize how many times during the game that we
on fourth and two? Do we go for it? Do
we go for field goal? Do we come off the field?

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If then there's times that we go for a field
goal and the fan base may be thinking we should
kick it, or we should or we should try to
pick up the first down or go for the touchdown
if it's if it's a fourth and goal, And he
said it in the post game, but you know Lane Kiff,
and there's certain guys you know exactly even Mike Leech
rip Mike Leach, I knew exactly what they were going

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to do, just because that's their personality. That's you know,
they have someone analytics telling them, hey, look, this is
what we need to do. But Mark Stukes sometimes to
go for field goal and we think he should go
for it. Sometimes we think he should go for and
he goes with a field goal, And in the post
game he made the comment that's what kind of got
my wheels to turn it that I do agree with
the fan base now that if you're making that type

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of money, you need to make the right decision, or
at least look like you understand what decision you're making.
Don't let it be influenced by outsiders, don't let it
be influenced by his staff unless you have a quality
control person that tells you all those things. But I
think he doesn't have anyone telling them those things. So
I think that's why you haven't seen a lot of
improvement in his decision making or his time management and

(06:40):
some of those things, because I don't think he has
anyone helping him Jack.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
And we shouldn't be in year thirteen even talking about this,
because we're seeing the same stuff that we saw that
opening night down in Nashville for Kentucky against Western Kentucky
and his very first game as a head coach, compared
to where things were on Saturday at three point thirty
against Ole Miss in Lexington. Like it's it's it's same

(07:07):
old story, and like there's only one constant with all
of this when we're talking about you know, the offensive
uh play calling and the you know, just the production
and the identity and the culture and like all of
these things, like, yes, I do I think that the
individual operation was Bush Hampden's fault yesterday. Absolutely, I think

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there is a major question mark right there at that
offensive coredanator position. But who does that fall on. It's
it's the same kind of conversations that we had, you know,
when when things were that seven and six seasons, that
a couple of years ago, when I was kind of
the one beating that drum saying hey, this isn't good
enough and you're going on, well, seven wins, it's still
seven wins. It's like, yeah, but it's the that we're

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losing the culture and I you know, the the we've
gotten complacent in some areas and you're seeing some slippage
that leads to the four win season, and all that
falls back on Yes, you could change the personnel. You
can change, you know, kick guys off the team. You
can you know, not pay certain guys as much. But
when you get the same deeply rooted foundational issues that

(08:14):
we're seeing year after year after year after year, you know,
it's still the same person up top that's calling those shots.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So will one.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Change in terms of hiring a guy that's going to
kind of help with operations.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Maybe, But we kind of said this about offensive line change.
We said it's about nil issues and culture and kicking
guys off like we've we've been doing this every single
year at some point. It all falls on one single name.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So basically what you all are saying is we need
to hire two game day operation managers. No, just one,
just one. You don't go football. Now. This goes back
to the last hour when we were talking about the music.
I uh huh, got you.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, Let's let's get to Clark's pope shot phone.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Lets has to say, good morning, Jake, what you got
for us?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Good morning Anthony? This is really crazy this morning. I
don't know what's going on with some of these calls.
How are you doing this morning, Anthony.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm I'm still all all in on Mark stupids, Mark stoops,
but I but I'll tell you where I'm coming from
on this. I've been listening to the game for the
past three years and and don't have the have a
long long standing h everybody else that's called in.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Hey, hey, Jake, do you have your phone in a
certain position because of the quality it went down since
you first started talking.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I'm sorry, can.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You try giving us a call back in a little bit, because, uh,
the connection is not is not working out for us.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Uh, let's see what Alba has to say. Good morning, Alvin,
what have you got for us?

Speaker 8 (10:05):
Hey? How you doing guys? Yeah, I just you know,
I wanted to point out that, you know, uh, weekend
and weekend out yearly, we hope that this football team
will turn into Cinderella, but it continues to be Cinderella's
ugly sisters that we have hope for it too. Ye're

(10:29):
in the year out to be better, and it seems
like that we come into the year and it's seems
you have our offenses out of scene? Is it always
a question you know about the quarterback? But I want
to pivot away from what we still play on the field.
It seems like that we can't. We we've not confronted

(10:52):
Ms Barnhardt and the contracts that he gave to coach Calipery. Uh,
you know, years ago, and that particular time track was
the focus of you know, buying cat out you know,
do we farm you know, or how how does that
work out? And now we're talked about the contract with
UH with Mark Stoops. Uh, that seemed like the us

(11:14):
A sector of the fan base that want UH coach
Stoops are terminated. I'll have his contract brought out.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
You know, we continue to kick around UH the summer,
all guys to come in and coach. I like Gus Mazone,
the offensive coordinated Florida State was the head coach at Auburn.
If you're gonna look for Bible alternatives to come and
take you know, take the job. But I guess my
broader thought is and my broader question is similar to

(11:43):
the way Cowboy fans questioned Jerry Jones and his movement
with money and moving players and contracts and all domestics
to create for the Cowboys through through we hold Mitch
Barnhardt accountable enough for the two contracts with Cali friend
of one with Mark Stoops, where we just seem like
we handcuffed where we can't move forward to get a

(12:05):
Bible coach to come in and bring excite and offense,
which is the most propular thing in North American football
and collegiateally his offense that can can score. So give
me your grade and your conversations regarding Mits Barnhart, because
it seemed like he's got to be confronted regarding these

(12:25):
contracts and the job that he's done on the job
of some of the bad decisions he made, particularly with
the with the football program.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Thanks for the car, Alvin. We will answer those questions
when we come back from this break. You're listening to
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Speaker 1 (12:55):
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Pumpy Shop phone line and see what Michael has to say.
Good morning, Michael, what do you got for us?

Speaker 7 (13:17):
Hey, Good morning Anthony. How you guys doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
We're doing good.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
I I want to say one thing here about this
football team that I say we've in the in the
past couple of years, We've had a few kids on
the team and stuff like that that seemed like we
really had some attitudes, you know, crying.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
For the ball.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
I mean we constantly heard key, you know, screaming about
the football and burying brown and this kid and that
kid wanted this. But I'm gonna tell you one thing
I'm impressed with about this team. It looked like to
me in the first two games at the ego and
the attitudes and all that stuff has been checked at

(14:03):
the door. I'm proud of this football team. I thought
they fought hard yesterday. I thought they left it all
on the field. I didn't never see them quit. And
that speaks some volumes for the coach that you got
in here and all these people hollering we're gonna change
the coach and do this and do that. None of
them can tell you who they want to who they

(14:24):
want to bring in. Does everybody really think Belichick's gonna
set the world on fire at North Carolina?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
If you brought Nick Saban into Lexington, you're at Kentucky
in the SEC. Look at what Steve Spurrier over South
Carolina in years past, Look at lou Hal, look at
some examples of big time people they brought the schools
and it never worked out. You start changing coaches and
you go into a rebuild mold, and I mean, you

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don't know what you're gonna get. I think Stupents is
putting a competitive product on the field, and I think
we need to write him out or he feels like
he don't want to be here any longer.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Thank you for the call, Michael.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
See that's what I'm talking about. I think Michael articulated perfectly.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
And so.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Before we let you go, Jack to answer Alvin's question,
but kind of based off what Michael said, and that
is kind of I think more. I think Mark Stoops
has build up enough cachet because there's a comment on
here from Joe Kenny. How long do we go off
of because of what Mark Stoops has done in the past,
that we got to keep giving them mulligainst I say this,

(15:34):
and this goes between Alvin's question and what Michael said.
When I'm asking you, Jack, if he has another bad
season this year, that's two bad seasons. Give him another season.
And I'm not saying give him another season because I
already like him. No, I think he's bought that much.
And so you ask me how much I think he's bought.
I think he's bought. Give him a chance this season.

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If the dysfunction doesn't change, then the record's going to
be bad, because that's going to be the only problem
we got. Because Michael Maker made a heck of a
point that you don't see the ball cry. We got
two running backs and splitting the ball equally, and the
offensive line is better. You don't see the defense bickering
at all. You know, we have nice rotation at all
positions on defense, e the receivers, you really don't know about.

(16:17):
It seemed like they made a conservative effort to get
Kendrick Lawl the ball. But the point is I say
he give Mark Stukes another year then after the third,
so this year and next year, between this year and
next year for two bad years, his contract is almost up,
and I think he's bought that cashe ain't.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
The question on the table with Jack was are you
mad at Barnhardt for the contract that he gave Mark
Stoops back when he gave it to him at that
point in time?

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Man, that's so heavily weighted conversation. By the way, Sup's
contract last through twenty thirty one, so it's not almost
done even if we give him another year. Where we
were still deeply, deeply, deeply in the mud with this thing.
So uh yeah, I wasn't. I was concerned the same
way I was concerned with, you know, Coach Cal's lifetime

(17:08):
contract when when he got it. Because people tend when
you give them no reason to, can you know, maintain
that competitive edge and you know, pay them all the
money they could ever dream of and then some, and
then have so many outs and so much, you know,
so much of a safety that built into your contract

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that you really have no kind of fire lit under
you to underperform. Then that's how you get where Coach
Cal got at the very end of his time at Kentucky,
and that's how we are right where we are right
now with with Mark Teops, it's the exact same thing.
And like that caller said, the being scared to make
a move because you're comfortable where you are right now

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is exactly why we got to that point with coach
cal And guess what, we made a move and life
moves on. I guess what. Kentucky's fans are absolutely over
the moon about the trajectory of the basketball program. He
goes what Arkansas mans are pretty darn happy about that
breakup too, so it doesn't have to be an ugly
Oh my gosh, I can't believe we got rid of

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the winning this coach of all time because basketball got
rid of a Hall of Famer two and both because it.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Wasn't winning championships because the expectation was championships though he.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Wasn't expectations also seven plus wins here and we're not
getting that that anymore either. It's it's we can't just
keep just saying, well, you know, it's better than we
could ever get, because yes, we're not saying bring Bill
Belichick in or Bill Parcells in. No we're saying John Sumrall, John,
John Sumral has been the guy and will always be
the guy until he takes another high profile job.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
There is a John, but it may not be somewhere.
It could be John Grude. John Gruden wants to be here.
Jack Pilgrim just says, let him walk. If they they
don't give him another contract, let him Walkcause what Jack
Pilgrim says, well, who is needed this conversation after this
year listening to sock Yards Banks.

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UK football, all all the things UK football. What our
buddy Tim's called back?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Tom? What do you got for us?

Speaker 10 (19:34):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Guys? What's up? Hey?

Speaker 10 (19:36):
It's a double step here. What I wanted to say is,
first of all, I didn't want to the effort the
players gay, it was amazing. I mean, I go back
to Cursey, and I want to ask you, Anthony, if
this is reminiscent for you. I can't remember if Curry
recurited you or Mommy, but I remember against Florida when
they had cash or on this stupid option and I

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almost got him killed. And then, you know, kind of
the same thing, we brought an innovative offensive and brought
the fan base back. So again I just went from
your perspective and maybe, Larry, and what do you think
about that kind of in the same situation.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Now, thank you for the call, Larry. I was there.
I came in under Bill Curry. Tim Couch was a
year under me. I graduated high school in ninety five.
He graduated in ninety six. So I was here before
he got here. I was here when he was running
the option. I was here when we transitioned to the
air raid. I'm not certain if it's the same thing, Larry.

(20:33):
You may have another thought, I feel because if you
watch yesterday's game, and here is where I think the
big problems are, and I don't know those were fundamental
problems under Bill Curry, and as it used like running
the option, you have the best quarterback in the country
even before that Billy Jack Haskin was the best quarterback
in the state when he came here, but he may

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have been a little bit more built for the option.
But he had a strong arm, just like Tim. But
Tim was just accustomed to a spread offense. So when
they got rid of Bill Curry, you were getting rid
of Tim Couch as well if you didn't bring in
somebody who was going to run a spread offense or
somewhere where he can throw the ball around. So watching
yesterday's game, Bush Hampden called some creative things, especially in.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
The fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
There are some creative things that last drive when Cutter
Bowley was in there, as you spoke earlier, Kendrick Law
was open and in the back window on the deep
dig was wide open. Now the window open, it wasn't
wide and college football, there's no such thing as wide
open unless someone slips some falls. But Cutter had been
pressured a little bit, and I think his eyes was

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watching the pressure because he was looking to the left,
but the dig was on the back side, so he
didn't see it. He connects that we got a tie
ball game. It's you know, so there's nothing that does
not that does not take the dysfunction, the miscommunication, the
waste of timeouts. That does not take any that away
to understand why everybody's frustrating, why everybody is upset about that,

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And it has happened quite often under one coach's tenure, so.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Have at it.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
But as Michael said that the players are playing really hard.
I will say this, Larry wat and this is one
thing if we're going to talk about the coordinator or
with the real issue is I don't know if your
grandson or if you notice, whenever Zach comes out, it
gets pressure. It's just called pressure. It's not where you
really have to get out of the pocket. Because as

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we stayed at, the offense line did a great job.
Guys are working. Guys are standing in front of them.
One thing about the tackles. When they're blocking, they expect
you to be standing right behind them. So if the
guy if they're blocking the guy, you run out of
the pocket. Now the guy you're blocking just runs after
the quarterback. You can't block him anymore. And that's why
we get the holding because they don't know he flushed
the pocket. And a lot of times Zach did not

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have to flush the pocket. All he had to do
is climb the pocket, step up in the pocket, and
there are things open. But if you go back and
watch the game, most quarterbacks, he brought up Tim Couch,
if the pocket moves, you shuffle. That's why they do
that drill over. They're just shuffling forward, shuffling back, shuttling up.
Zach as soon as he feels the pressure, his footwork
just goes away and just starts running. Is there's no shuffle,

(23:12):
just run, so he takes his eyes off the field.
Is that Zach's problem? Is that Bush Hamer's problem? And
I told you before, Larry Vaut that unless Zach and
Bush can get on the same page, as far as
I know, Zach can run these plays really well. So
on third and six, I'm going to this, No, the
play changed all the time. I don't think Zach trusts Bush,

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and I don't think Bush trust Zach. I don't know
if Cutter's going to change that if you change the quarterback,
so it's changing office the coordinators going to change things,
or do you think changing the head coach is going
to change things? So he asked that question about when
we've seen the transition from mummy from Curry to Mummy
if he would just changed coordinators with things have been better.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Do you think.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
That's kind of a crazy question because Mark Steups has
changed coordinator so much the past five years. So to
answer Tom's question, that's my take. What is your take?

Speaker 4 (24:08):
I don't think changing coordinators is the thing because over
the course of what thirteen years, there's been one kind
of concept and Mark students can say all he wants
about that. He's not involved in play calling, and maybe
he's not on specific plays. But I think the head
coach sets the offensive philosophy, and if you're not doing

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as the coordinator what the head coach wants, you're going
to be doing different things. Mark's just as you said earlier,
just a defensive guy, and that's just the way he
thinks and the way he is. I think there's certain
things he wants to done. He didn't ever want tempo run.
He didn't want Kentucky snapping the ball over ten seconds
or something like that. He wants to buildable, methodical, give

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his defense rest and try to win the game that way.
That's just him and that's okay, that's how he is.
So I just think that, I mean, as we've discussed
over the summer. I've just never been a huge believer.
I mean, I was hoping I was going to be wrong.
And I don't think he's probably a bad quarterback. I

(25:12):
just don't know that. I think he's as great a
quarterback as we were being told that he is. And
part of what you just detailed right there, and maybe
you'll tell me I'm wrong and that's something they can correct.
But I would think if you're playing quarterback for the
seventh year in your first instinct is when you feel
pressure is to roll out and go that that's probably
not going to change. That's just who you are. And again,

(25:33):
I think what you said that the offensive line may
not be the best offensive line in the country, but
they're not the worst offensive line in the SEC, I
don't think. And they gave him time to do some things.
But I don't know whether he panics, whether when he
does throw he's just close enough that it doesn't look

(25:55):
terrible but he's not accurate enough to go ahead and
complete him, or does he just not have enough receivers
can get enough separation to give them that small window
that you talk about. But whatever it is, the passing game,
it's just got to produce more than what it's been producing.
You've got to have some threat of being able to
throw the ball down the field, either because your quarterback
can get it down the field or because you've got

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some guys that can get opened down the field. And
we saw Macklin get opened last year late in the season.
We saw Gilmour do the same thing. They each had
a big play yesterday. So I mean, all these guys
you brought in are great, but somebody's got to start
producing in that passing game. And I just don't see
how I can possibly hurt to give Cutter a change.

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I don't see how the passing game can be any
worse than what it's been the first two games.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, And I think kind of just trying to get
a concept of what the you know, the fan base
is saying, because I'm getting ripped over on social media
because I'm trying to make sense of it, and I
understand everybody's frustration, but everybody act like they have the
real solution. And here's my question, and here's my kind
of concern is that defensively, I don't have a problem

(27:04):
with what we have going on defensively at all. And
like I said, maybe Mark Stoops is responsible for that.
Maybe he's not. Maybe Brad White is completely responsible for that.
The miscommunication and all those things, the attitudes, the miscommunication,
all those things happened to be on the offensive sidey
all of that, like even last year's locker room problems.
A couple of years back, when there was some tension

(27:26):
in the locker room that maybe the outside people really
didn't know about, and then you know you had the
offensive line problems for a couple of years. Is that
something that you fired a head coat for? Are those
some of the things that Mark Stoops? I know everybody's
saying he's responsible for the record. They want him going
the clock management, the game management, and even at a

(27:48):
certain point I gave him the locker room management. But
I think the locker room has been cleaned up. Was
the buffoonery that happened yesterday? Was that acceptable? Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But is that enough to get rid of them?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I guess everybody's saying, yeah, they want to get
rid of him because it's been so consistent.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Larry, you don't get paid ten million dollars a year
not to win, right, I mean, when you raise the
expectation level and you raise your salary level. The expectation
is that you're gonna win. That was a game yesterday.
I kind of still believe they should have won Anthony
and they didn't, and it just seems like those kind
of things are happening too much. Again, if they win

(28:30):
that game yesterday, the whole narrative may turn around and
they still got to maybe some time.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
But it's still sloppy though, Larry, that's something I'm saying.
The fact, that's what I'm That's the point I'm trying
to drive home, Like, is our problem that he's been
doing the same thing all these years and finding a
way to win, and now he thinks that the fan
base feels like it's caught up with us in him?
Or if all we want to do is win games.
Because I'm with you. If you're saying that all this

(28:57):
sloppy stuff shouldn't be happening, we shouldn't be loose game
because of bonehead decisions, I'm fine with you. But half
the fan bases act like they're tired of this at all. Like,
even if we pull that game out, That's why I
asked that question, Even if we pull the game out, No,
we don't want you anyways, that's what I expect to hear,
and if I hear that, then I'm a little more

(29:17):
on it. But you seem to think that if we
have pulled it out, then the narrative would be completely different.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I do. I think when you win, a lot of
things are a lot better, because, like you said, Mark's
had some of these problems during the entire thirteen years
he's been here. But the bottom line is there, and
to me, there are no ugly wins. When you win,
you win, and they didn't win yesterday, and that's what
they got to do. They got to be able to
win some games, and they have been able to do

(29:44):
that in the past few years. Been when's the last
time they want the SEC home game. It's been a
couple of years now. You just can't keep having those
things happen. And they make just enough mistakes lost himself
a chance to win a game like that, and that's
when it really gets magnified. If you go ahead and
win the game, you move on and you think about, well,

(30:06):
we can get this cleaned up, and that's okay. But
when you lose that game and then you don't know
if you're gonna get a clean up or not. I
just think fans are to the point they don't think
it's ever gonna they're not gonna get enough cleaned up
to win consistently again. And yesterday just kind of drives
that point home even more to the fans who think.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That I can get behind that.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Let's get back to the phone lines and see what
Jake has to say, because he's called back.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Jake, what do you got for us?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Can you can you get Can you hear me this time? Anthony?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, you're good now, all right?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I was I was just trying to tell you I
don't understand why everybody's trying to kind of dump Mark's
troops over just because of you know, you know, last
year wasn't really all that good, you know, and I've
only seen I've only seen uh, three seasons, and I
haven't seen the one and eleven seasons in the in

(31:07):
the ten and two seasons like everybody else has. But
I think everybody's just kind of jumped the gun a
little bit here, and I think we if we win
that game yesterday, we should still have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, I appreciate the college, yet, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I just I was just just wanted to ask you
if if we get those two field goals in the
third and fourth quarter, if you think we win that game.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, there's there's more opportunities than that.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Even when Cutter first came in, like you said, we
hit that connect in the back of the end zone.
I think if we get a tie, if we make
laying and those guys start to start to panic a
little bit or start to strain and stress, I got
faith in our defense getting the turnover or getting to
stop they were they were what three and third three
for thirteen on third down. Now mind you, they were
awful successful on second down, but when we got him

(32:05):
in third down and those type of situations, our defense
got off the field. So I had a little bit
more faith if we could have got it tied up
and then there was opportunities there. We missed some throws,
we miss open people, and then we took some sack.
But thanks for the call, Jake, because that just made
me think about that. Larry Vaux, what do you think
about the third and nine quarterback draw play?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
You know what I think about that?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
And he said, Mark Stoope said, here, here's where the
dyspunction comes. And Mark Stupe said he thought that Bush
ran that because he thought he can catch them.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I guess with their pants down.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I just don't know that. I think again, that could
make that kind of play eve if they got their
pains down, I'm not sure. I think he can get
that in.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yards unless they were playing, unless they were playing for two.
Maybe they were playing that they were going to go
for it on fourth down anyways, But even without getting that,
they took the sack the next place. So I don't know,
Like it's just kind of head scratching to me. I'm
curious how this season's gonna play out, and I want
the fan base to keep their stanps. Like, if you
feel like you don't want them no matter what this
season does, that's absolutely fine to me. I'm with everybody

(33:15):
who feels like we need to get this thing cleaned up.
I'm absolutely with you. But if we do get it
cleaned up, things can be pretty good. Because, as the
caller I believe it was Michael, did state, our players
did not give up. I didn't see any give up
on our players. Now, we're some boneheaded things going on yet,
but the players didn't give up. They kept playing, and
it seems like you don't see a whole lot of
tension between the guys on the sideline and just the

(33:37):
body language of the guys. So I think those things
have been improved. So I'm pretty I'm still optimistic. Larry Vard,
I'm gonna be optimistic for four more weeks. Then I'll
let you know something different. We'll be back after this.
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L A P.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught. Let's get to the phone
lines because we don't have a whole lot of time
and this, so let's get to the phone lines before
we bring on our other guests.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But Dennis, good morning. What do you got for.

Speaker 9 (34:21):
Us real quick here? Number one?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (34:28):
As far as the quarterbacks, I think I think we
need to see Cutter. I was, I was. I was
willing to give Zach the you know, I was trusting
the coaching to with with the Zach Casata decision. But
I think it's time to see Cutter he's the future

(34:48):
as of right now. And uh, you know, Matt Jones
last night said after the game that Mark Soups wasn't
happy with Sach's uh work ethic. And I don't know
where he got that from, but that's that's kind of
troublesome to me. Two, how do when it's eight minutes
last in the football game, it's four to nine, why

(35:11):
don't we kick the field goal? There? I mean, you
got to score, you're down twenty seven or twenty. If
you want to win the football game, you got to
score at least two times. I don't understand why we
don't kick the field goal right there.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's why I kind of think that we need to
take the thinking part out of Mark stoops like coaching
operationally and just let him be executive decisions when there's
an executive decision to be made. And that's why I
asked the question on air. You may and I have
been listening about Nick Saban. I don't think Nick Saban
is involved with all that stuff all game long. I
think he just does that, like I said, at huge moments,

(35:47):
and because I can't make any sense of it either,
Dennis I don't have an answer for you. And I
think that's why a lot of our fan base is frustrated,
because a lot of times you've like, why why don't
you go for the field go or why don't you
go for the fourth down conversion, or why don't you,
you know, try to score on fourth and goals instead
of kicking a field goal? And he said, sometimes if
it works, then nobody has anything to say.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
But either way you go.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
If it doesn't work, then everybody thinks the other the
other option was going to be better.

Speaker 9 (36:16):
Well, I'm under the belief that Mark Stoops raached too
much social media because, in my opinion, the old Mark
Stoops kicks a field goal right there. I think he's
been listening these fans too much about going forward instead
of being conservative if you're kicking field goals or hunting football.
That's just my opinion. So, but you know, I don't

(36:39):
know at this point. I don't know if it's an
offensive coordinator, if it's the quarterback, if it's the receivers,
if it's the head coach. I do know that we Understoops.
I do know that the Terry Wilson year we had
a pretty good offense Okay, when we went, when we
won ten football games, I know the year with the
lim Bowden with a wide receiver. Eddie Graham put out

(37:01):
a very good offense, even though it's a running offense.
I loved it, and I do know that Will Levis
one dial Robinson was a good offense.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So thanks for the call, Dennis. We have to get
out of here. If you're listening. When we come back,
we'll have Van House to break this down a little
bit further for us. Van is going to join us
on the lot on the Sunday Morning Sports Talk. We'll
be back after this. You listen Sunday Morning Sports Talk
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