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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk, presented by
the lead Troop Barde Radio Network on six thirty w
l a P. Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk.
I'm Anthony White along with Larry Vaught and now joined
by my partner on the Locker Podcast, former teammate Van House,
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coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in
downtown Lexington, Kentucky. All right, so we're gonna discuss this
UK football team yesterday's game a whole lot and uh
Van has a lot of insight and he we both
off oftentimes see things differently. But before we start, I
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do wanna I do wanna do want to uh take
this narrative, boy, because there's two narratives going around on
social media right now. On the threads that I'm on
that I'm on the entire time mark the comments they
keep making the entire time. The use the qualifiers because
they keep saying the entire time, entire time he's been here,
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we haven't had good quarter. That's not true to Terry Wilson,
that's not true to Limb Bowden, that's not true to
the year Will Levison and Wandelle Robinson. So it's not
been the entire but everything all the narratives now our
entire time, like we're just building this narrative that he's
the worst coach ever.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
He could be inconsistent. Stop stop stop stop stop. You
forgot the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
That is the only and sole reason why Stoops is
still here at Kentucky and led to two ten one seasons.
Stephen Johnson, But I'm Stephen Johnson. This program is not worried. Okay,
go ahead, I'm sorry I cut you off. So that
one and here's the other one. Everything went bad well
Mark Stoops flirted or had his foot out the door
to Texas A and M night. I want to ask
you all this are you are you mad? Are you
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mad that he didn't leave? Or you mad that he
came back? Which one no, because it was a huge
problem that he was going to leave. And this is
my last point. This is my last point for van
to throw around. And you want to call in on vanas,
but this is my last point. My last point is
and I was having this argument before on Friday night
when I told everybody I thought we were gonna beat
old MS weh no no, So we want to get
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rid of Mark Stoops the vote when is coach in
our history? But we were mad when he was going
to A and M. When is the last time a coach? No,
when is the last time a coach left Kentucky? Because
they were being poached besides Morris, So we got to
keep up that. We just want to fire coaches. Do
you stay here untill we fire? You don't go to
where hold the wait right here? But welcome, welcome to
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this show.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Van Well.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
First of all, First of all, I am highly upset
right now because you bring me on the show when
we lose. I don't never get calling the show when
we win. It's because when we lose, Hey, man, do
you mind coming up? Okay, I got you, I got you. Yeah, Man,
it's look Anthley, I'm gonna say this and then we
can carry on. You can call us whatever is is. Also,
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I look at the other side. It's also a great
feeling for someone who played on a one to ten
season to have fans feel dispassionate about winning. I mean,
I love it, but now there's also a sense of
reality that fans have to come to. But I love
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it that they feel like we should be a twelve
and oh ten win team, nine win team every season.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Some of that is unrealistic, the same ways how some
of these people will say it's realistic, say that some
people are pumpers because they see the bright side of things.
It is a great feeling to come on here and
to have people be upset about us not beating Ole Mess,
a top twenty five team at home.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's a great feeling. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
But but this is kind of where we are because
I don't think anybody has enough to say about the defense.
I mean, have a lot to say about the defense
because the defense did their things. And I just read
this Larry Vaught. Why I just read it. Everybody can
read it because they got stat sheets. But uh, our
man Ty Bryant two picks, ten tackles and one tackle
for loss? Is that Larry Vaught? Is that SEC player
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of the week number?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Not because you lost?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, he's probably you asked coming out.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I just gave you an.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The only problem is we're the only team in the
SEC that played SEC. We're the only team that played competition.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's a good point. That is a good point too.
That drills a two valid.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Points back you go back and research over the course
of history how many times player for the losing team
has been honored by the SEC. And I don't think
you'll need both your hands to can thought.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I don't think it's ever really, but I'm sure happened once.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, I'm with you, man.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So that's so the big thing in the big discussion.
And you know, obviously because I started this segment like that,
is that a lot of people act like they want
or maybe actually do want Mark Stoops gone or think
that his time is up here. You may agree with
that or not because of a lot of the dysfunction
and inconsistencies of yesterday's game which could have possibly called
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us the game. I'm sure that you can find reasons
that there were a lot of reasons. There's a lot
more reasons than just the head phone malfunction, the delay
of games or using time out for delay of games.
But the biggest thing is where's the offensive problems? What
do you see the offensive problems coming from Stoops? Stoops
and Hamden relationship Zach in Hamden relationship, Hamden's inability to
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get the guys to understand his schemes and concepts, or
maybe he just Zach's not the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, come on, I know you are doing your job
as a host and you have been a great host.
Here's the thing, man, is this is that this is
an all system failure thing. And we said this, We've
said this on the locker Wednesday's not Jimmy since then
the time, We've said this many times that sometimes the
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playbook is too big, like this is not a new concept.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The two the first two timeouts us in the first
quarter were a situation of OC trying to make the
perfect call and a situation and there's no such thing
as a perfect call. And when you are trying to
make a perfect call in this game with personnel changes
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the way he likes to change personnel, it's going to
be a problem and it's going.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
To lead to timeouts.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And unfortunately, and this is the crazy thing about this
is that all it takes is one play that halftime.
I guess people say for what its hectic, awkward, whatever
it was, whatever word you use, was caused by the
two timeouts in the first quarter, because if you ask me,
the first three plays of that drive the four to
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half were perfect. Let's see, we can get a first down,
we get a first time, we get a big play.
Now we should be able to use a time out,
but a hahaha, we don't have ide because we waste
them in the first quarter. If we have a time
out at that point, we score points.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
And what was the.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Score at halftime seventeen thirteen, It should have been seventeen sixteen, easily,
and that changed the whole outcome. It changes the temperature
of the halftime. It changed the confidence and the aura
of the fans. You go in seventeen sixteen, it's a
little different than seventeen thirteen. It could have changed the
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outcome of the game. We will never know because we
didn't kick two field goals. Part because we didn't kick
a field goal.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
There, let's get to the phone lines, because we have
a former player on the phone line. Let's see what
little Toon has to say. The more little Toon, what
do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Man man, Good morning, Good morning, fellas, it's a beautiful
morning even and no matter what lessens need.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
To wake up this morning. But uh I said, like
Van Howells, Van gave a lot of insight on a
lot of analytics of it, and he was right slot
on a lot of those areas. You know, decision making
from the coaches is very important. I'm a private I'm
gonna work towards video. Another perspective from a players standpoint,
also so that the sayans can understand that these guys
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are improving, uh, and they are playing hard. I saw
a lot of guys playing hard, a lot.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Of hard out there on the field on the office
side of the ball, and you know, they were sustaining drive.
But they also were in positions that they let them
let some plays on the field where they could be
able to make more plays get things accomplished. Defensively, I
felt like that they were there making things happened. Todd
Bryant had well of a game, you know, hometown Lexi guy,
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well over the game. Probably really proud of that kids.
But the one area that I feel like on defense
that they got to get sharp on it team to
build on, is they got to tackle Lacy did any
in everything he wanted to do yesterday. They stopped him
a couple of times. But when that kid got to
the edges, uh, and even coming through the middle at
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times with our with zone plays and things of that nature,
he was just they couldn't. He was breaking one or
two tackles all the time. And that's one thing that
they have to be an understanding in order to be
as the tackle or the perimeter. And also in all
in all the three levels of defense, you gotta work.
You got to work on the tackle and pieces of it.
They don't have to be long, but we still have
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to have in order to tackle really well, you've got
to have live tackling. And I know they're in season
right now, they're not doing a lot of that. A
lot of that's kind of you know, falls, fall spring,
you know, preparing training camp type of things. But you
still got to do that and they just not doing
it well at all. And the one thing that our
teams in UK the mid ninety time period, I mean,
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they gonna talk and tell you a lot of things
about us, but a lot of our defenses you watched
them on us in ninety ninety seven time period. We
tackled man ninety four.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
We tackled.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
We tackled really well. And that was something that I
took prime in as a five to nine or bunk
sixty five cornerback. I tackled, I hardly mistackled. And if
these guys are a bigger, way, bigger than I that
I was in college sixty one sixty two, buck eighty
five buck ninety dds. And they can't tackle nobody. So
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and you know, I just want to leave that in
a way that the attack to be able to tackle
and make plays. It is a wheel and a heart factor.
Coach cannot tackle for you. Coach cannot catch no balls
for you. Coach cannot throw no balls for you. So
I understand that that coach could have taken a lot
of heat, But we're not players. Got to make plays.
There's no there's no coach out there is going to
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suit up a play for them. They got to own up.
And now you get these guys get paid n I
them money. We didn't get paid like that. We got
meal money and we got a pel grant. Uh but
you know that. But shoot, besides that, we play with
passion and we love the game. These guys gotta get
They gotta make plays on the skill. Coaches cannot make
plays for them. Yes, coaches got to get them the
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right situations to make plays. But you have to make plays.
That is your job. As a scholarship player, that is
your job. As as if you call an il to me.
It's like free agency. You're getting paid money to be
a free agent, so you got to make plays. And
that's no offens the bus about that. I cannot gate
that at all. I mean, because you can scream a
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shout about the coaches all you want and how how
bad what they make these calls is that call. But
if the coach make a call, you still got to
execute the call. Players got to execute the call. Everybody
got to find their gaps, everybody gotta cover, everybody got
to be to keep their outside levers and and make
sure that they're running back or get outside of them
cornerbacks of letting now running back to outside of them,
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not even trying to tackle them. They old lay them
and lazy. If I'm not mistaken, Lacy is not a
really big back, but he just they made him look
like he was a I mean, that kid is either
it is either a dag or good. I think he
is good, but they didn't look better than what he
was because they did not tackle him.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
That's all I have.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But I think that I think and I believe that
our guys are going in the right direction, but they
got to clean up the will to do and make
plays on the field coaches can't make places.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Me at all.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Thanks for the call, Littleton. Uh that is that is true.
I think there's a lot of truth that. I think
there's a lot of blame to go around. I think, uh,
just at this point for what I'm the feeling I'm
getting from social media and not all the call not
most of the callers have been supportive. I think people
just want Mark Stoops out of here for whatever reason.
But let's get back to the phone line to see
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what Rick has to say. Good morning, Rick, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Good morning guys. Well, I think I couldn't agree with
the previous caller about tackles. I think we missed tackle
after tackle on the edges and uh. But I think
that I think that we kind of give me it's
Barnhardt a free pass here for these lifetime contracts that
put us in this position where you know, we can't
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buy Stoops out or I mean it's going to be
really expensive. And I think he gets a free pass
for doing well in the Olympic sports and things. But
I think a lot of times, instead of doing his
due diligence, he'll promote, you know, from within, or not
do the nationwide search and take the easy route for him.
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And I think it's what we got lucky with Cal
on his departure. We didn't have to buy him out.
But I don't know what's going to happen this year.
I think we will be lucky to be five and seven,
and if that's the case, I'm not sure what will happen.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Hey, Rick, I don't know if you're UK football or
basketball fan, but because you echo what a lot of
people are saying, and this is what I'm sure Van
is going to agree. Larry Vaught, I probably can convince
him to agree that. So when these deals, when it's
not that amount of money, but when these deals were
being made with Mark Stoops in Caliperry, we should just
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let him walk because we should have just I'm not
saying what's happened in the past three years, but when
that nine million dollar deal was was made with Mark Stoops,
should we have just let him walk the start off
and we start rebuilding then. But because even if we
didn't pay him, somebody was going to offer him good
money because at that point he had no flaws, no
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no chinks in his armor.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Should we have just let him walk?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
No, I agree that I think that's put us in
a bind. And uh, you know, I hope they do
well this year. I mean, you know, it's hard to
know with a new team uh coming in, but you know, again,
it's just a it's just a tough schedule, tough conference
and uh, you know, then at it for decades and
decades and we break through for a few years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
I think Land and Young had a lot to do
with that myself, but uh, and the offensive line. But
I just think that we had a couple of guys
come here that you know, been hard to replace.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, thank you for the car Rick. I appreciate that
we up against the break.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Van.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'll let you answer that question before we come back.
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Speaker 4 (15:22):
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banking and financial needs. Talking about UK football yesterday's game
against Old misson a thirty to twenty three defeat for
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our Wildcats, and also at this point it's more of
how much more can our fan base take? How much
more does the university have to take with the Shenanigans
or this function or just the head coach itself. But
Van Howe, before we want to break we were talking
about UH at the time of what was it twenty
twenty two? When the when the when the salary got
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the jumping, So coming off of twenty twenty one season,
if someone wanted to pay Mark step seven million dollars
was our with our our fan base and anyone who
was calling eight five nine to eight zero two to
eighty seven, eight five nine to eight zero Cats in
twenty twenty one? Was he worth that jump to six
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point whatever was six point three million?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, I'm an answer, but first of all, answer, I
have a problem. First of all I want to have
I wanted to address right there real quick. If you know,
you know he's had some great points, he said, some
great points, and he was on a roll when he
said ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, Why did he
have to say ninety four?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I heard that. You heard that too, But why he
had to say ninety four?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He was we was rolling and I was I was
like getting excited about to run through a brick wall.
But then he had to stay come on with LT all. Right,
another thing is this, anthy And this is the thing?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right man?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Look at other programs within this conference, right, know what
happened with other programs in this conference. When something bad
happens in the coach, you know what they do, Anthony,
I'm gonna say a bad word.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They pony up. You know what?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
When Edge Oderon run that national championship and then went
eleven and whatever the next two years, guess what they did.
They pony up and got him out of there. When
Jimbo Fisher had this problem that Texan in, guess what.
Somebody poney up and paid send me some million dollars
for him to get up out of colle station. When
when Florida had Ron Zuck and must Champ and all
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those guys come through, guess what they did. They pony
up and got them all there. If y'all want stoops
out of here, y'all create a fun and present MS
Barnhard with forty plus million dollars, and I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He would have gotten out of here. But are y'all
willing to pony up? That's a good point. That's all
I got to. That's all I gotta say. That's a
good point.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Larry Watch you're sitting over here being quiet, and I
give you a lot. I give you a hard time
on this show a lot. I don't understand your stance.
And you speak for the fan base a lot that
you know they shouldn't be comfortable with him making this
amount of money and having these, like I said, Keystone
Cop moments every year, weekend and week out. But for
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the body of work was van and all those former
players are always trying and point out like the body
of work and how hard it is to win and
the games we didn't win. They win these games on
the regular. As Mark Stoops, do you think that when
it was time where he was in twenty twenty one,
in twenty twenty two, should we just have let him
walk and not negotiated with them and just started rebuilding
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then because it's only two years later.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
You had to read to negotiate and try to keep
him and I guess in your own mind you had
to decide what that price was. But I think that
Mark Stoops had a better agent than Mitch Barnard had
to cuchedy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
On his side.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, and so now do you think the fan base
go ahead? We only got about thirty seconds though, man,
whatever your.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pointy, Okay, all right, this is quick.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, here's the deal, right, When the rabbit has a
gun is not fun. When you bring up a program
from two to ten and you have been here the longest,
he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Now, if you would have got nine.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Million after year five or six, that's a problem. But
he's been here so long with two ten one season.
He got to that point.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
He didn't just reached that point. He got to that point. Yes,
because the jump thirty years.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now the length of it, I think that should be
able to be negotiated. We'll continue this conversation on the
other side of the break. You'll listen to Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 1 (19:48):
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Speaker 4 (20:01):
Welcome back, Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Van Halen, I mean
Van Hiles. This hour Sunday Morning Sports Talk has brought
to you by Country Boy Brewing Larry Vaught. Before we
get back to this other subject, I want to I
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want to get Van's uh idea. What do you think
is gonna be go? What's gonna happen moving forward? A quarterback?
But Larry Vaught, I want you to send this message
to your followers and the people who keep on coming
after me on the on the social media.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
The culture has changed around here.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
And I know Mark Stoops has dropped the bag, dropped
the ball fumbled, and he should be more accountable. That's
one thing I've said the four a long time. He
should be extremely more accountable. Van had a heck of
a point. If you want him out on gehead, get
forty of you millionaires. No, I'm sorry, forty millionaires. But
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I want to point this out because because Littleton Ward
was on it before, we have Van on here and
this is something I know you can appreciate. Larry Vaught,
we have beat Florida in football twenty one times. You
understand that lyric they had. At one point when I
was ten years old, they started a thirty one game
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winning streak that dates back until I was three. We
won one time from the time I was three up
until the time I got here. Then they started they
kept kicking our tail when I was here. Mark Stoops
has beat them four times in the past seven years.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well three because one get vacated.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I forgot. You say, it is Kentucky football. Only half
of them count. So we beat them two times. Do
you remember, Larry Vaught that people thought we weren't ever
gonna beat Florida. Then it turned the time when little
Cody was like, hey, do we get to go watch
us beat Florida again?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Does that not? Does that not count for anything? Larry Vaught?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
But do you remember a time when people didn't think
they'd lose a Vandy two years in a row?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Has I lost the three in a row with the vault?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So I don't know where you get that one from.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I mean, there was there was a time in the
past twenty years he didn't think that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I remember back in the oh, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Kentucky beat Florida back to back years when when by
Buddy Dave hope Well and Derek Ramsey and those guys played.
They just aw beating Florida was routine. So yeah, I
mean I give Stoops a lot of credit for that.
But still, when you're getting over nine me in a
year and you've raised that bar up and you went
four to eight one and one, and you have all
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these kind of operational issues, I mean, that just can't
happen when this is going to be the year that
everything's going to be different. As Van said, you can't
go out there looking like a middle school or a
poorly coached high school team and have to blow two
timeouts in the first half. I mean, didn't they blow
one after a kickoff on first down?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yep, yep?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I mean, how can that happen? Everybody's on the sideline,
You're gonna go, I mean, come, oh my.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
God, but that is embarrassing. I give you that one.
That that is embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, I mean, can you can you if if if,
your if your brother. Let's say your your wife goes
to work, mister ball and making Okay, okay, let's let's
say your wife goes to the grocery or and make
a scene. Everybody's gonna come back on you, mister ball
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right said, what are you doing at home?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's not your fault?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, well, I mean is that Stoop's fault? That
bush is it's trying too hard to get the perfect playout?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Is yeah? I think, because I mean, the head coach
has got to be the one that's accountable.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Correct, And that's why you have to pay a nine
million dollars so he can sit on that throne and
be like, Okay, I can take all this, this this
abusement when it's not my fault.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Hold on, hold on, guys, Let's let's get you go
to you guys, go to your corner. Both you go
to your corners. Let's go to the phone line. We
got a caller, caller, what do you got for us?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Hey, good morning, guys, howry I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I didn't catch your name. I'm sorry, Oh you're good.
It's William. I thought it was real. All right? How's
it going?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Not too great?
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Honestly, this morning I was just thinking about do I
really want to go this next Saturday night with.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
My season tickets that I've had since twenty ten, been
going to games since early two thousd My first game
was watching the hefty left to you God rest his
soul against Minisent.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
At mil Tennessee State like O two or whatever when
that fight broke out. I love UK football.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
I love I love it with the bottom of my heart.
I always tell people I'm more of a fan of
the UK football than i am basketball. People think I'm crazy,
and I'm okay with that. But going to watch us
beat a match team seventeen to six on Saturday night
with anemic offense like Stoops, I hope you hear me,
it's not fun. It's it's agonizing for the fans. You
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have no continuity with your coordinators. It doesn't make sense,
like is it a personal thing with Mark Stoops or
is it his philosophy or both. We've had guys leave.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Here that are very successful with good schemes like what
is going on? And I'll just I'll end my r
there go cats.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Will then you got a response, I got I got
a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Will.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I appreciate your your patroness, because if you starting to
twenty ten, you know where this program was in two
than ten, you know where we came from. Here's the
deal that I want people to understand with these coaches.
I know Shannon Dawson, he's from Louisiana, Well, Louisiana ish
all right, Shannon Dawson came here and tried to do
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things without the talent level that would help him be successful.
Same through with Neil Brown. Shanna Dawson goes to Miami.
Before Miami, he didn't have success in other miss So
I want people to understand it's not like he came.
He left here, went somewhere else became successful. He wasn't
successful as other miss either. Lloyd behol he gets somewhere
with a whole bunch of talent. He gets cam Ward there.
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Now he's the greatest oc ever. Name some players on
all team offensively that would have started for Sanna Dawson
when he was at Miami liman zero. So sometimes we
also have to understand the play. As Lilton say, the
Jimmies and Joes matter. It's just like Neil Brown, Jimmys
and Jones mattered. Unfortunately, Neil Brown came here at the
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start of the Stupent's era where we didn't have players.
It wasn't Neil Brown's fault, he just came at a
bad time. Dan and Dalson now is infused with Bay
County Proward County football players.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It matters.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Why why are you talking about the coaching thing? I
found this interesting and this came up all morning, you know.
They The other other topic is if we don't have
Mark Stut's here, who do you want to have? When
everybody said, eh, John, it's a no brainer, and you
have an interesting take, you have an interesting take on that.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Look, here's the thing, y'all. I'm from Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I went to a great high school with a lot
of people that were a lot of money. And some
of those people are at Tulane. They are not afraid
of Kentucky was still in some summing. They're afraid of
other schools still. So so just because you want somebody,
when I was young, I wanted to date certain people.
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That didn't mean it was gonna happen. So therefore, just
because he look and summy is not a Kentucky guy,
he's an alarm. He's not from Kentucky. Like all of
that draw to come back to Kentucky is he only
will here in forty years. So it's not like he's
a lifer. So don't just think just because someone graduated
from a school that the fool is to come back here.
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I would say this his chances will win. I'm answer
this is the big thing. All coaches have egos. All
coaches want to have a chance to win a national championship.
John Sumraw has a better chance at Tulane or win
a national championship than if he came here.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And that's just being realistic. That's true, that's true, But
that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, And he's gonna make his money at Tulane
because after the lost Threats, they are going to try,
all right, they are gonna try everything possible not to
lose another coach because they lost a great coach that
brought that program back from zero, kind of like what
Stoops did here and they lost them. They are going
to do everything within their power to not let this
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coach leave.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I promise you on that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That doesn't mean he doesn't leave, but they're gonna give
him everything possible that they can do because they have
created things resources now at Tulane that they never had
in the past.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Larry vardif we're doing then I'm gonna ask you about
the quarterback before we get you out of here.
Speaker 10 (29:34):
Van.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But Larry Vardif we're doing a coach in search and
we have to have a checklist, say say we say
he Stoops gives us, does a calipari for us? Say
you know what, I'm gonna step down. I'm gonna go
somewhere else. I feel like, just to get the fan
based off his back, he should do it. Harball here, man,
just restructure this thing, man, so they get off my back?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
If that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Or what's on the checklist, Larry Vaulk, because eight wins
enough and I know you and the fan base all right,
well we're not getting we're not even getting eight wins anymore.
So what is on the checklist? National championship? Because that
Van made that interesting. If the next coach comes, is
that going to be the expectation national championship? Because it
was six wins when Stoops came.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Though, I think the goals should be national championship. I
don't know the expectations should be national championship. I think
you have to be realistic, as Van pointed out. But
I think anybody will tell you that's the goal. I mean,
I would think when you played Anthony, your goal wasn't
just to win six games. Your goal was to go undefeated,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, but if you won't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
But when we're recruiting, I want to know, what do
you think just from what you hear, what's at the
top of that list. What's the top two things at
the top of the list? To win six games, win
eight games, change the culture.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
To win and be entertaining.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yesterday's game wasn't entertaining. It was frustrating, but I felt
entertaining because even like I said before, if we lose
sixty to ten, now that would be something that will
be like little Man Jump Ship.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, Anthony, it's that air raid deal man that people
still look And I'm gonna get on you about this.
I want people understand the air raid the most games
they won with seven. Think about it, like, but it
was entertaining, so it was fun to watch. But at
the end of the day, the most games the air
rad one was seven, right, I mean, just let's think
about it, like, but but I do get it the
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entertainment fact that like people like to see the scoreboard
light up. But remember, at the end of the day,
though they have it, that that system, that scheme and
all the excitement and with a number one round number
one pick in the draft now first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was the number one pick.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
The most games that system round was seven games.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
But but you also said then that it's not gonna
be realistic for a coach to come here and be
able to win a national championship.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
So I think that.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Average fan that spending all his money or spending a
lot of money to come to games and everything, and
I though in one more thing, he wants he or
she wants to be entertained, and they also want to
see the team play hard. I think they want both
of those things, which last year they didn't get either
one of those. And there's been some years from Kentucky
that happened. Most years Understoops, you've got to play hard.
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I don't think that's right issue. I think not playing
hard created a lot of issues with a lot of fans.
I don't think I haven't heard one person say they
didn't think the team played hard. Yes, y, I don't
know if the coach. I don't know if the coaches
coach smart. But the hope that the team played hard, yeah,
missed a few tackles is Littleton pointed out. But sometimes
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that happens, and sometimes you have to give the Anthony
White to the world credit for making you miss those
tackles too. I mean, sometimes that happened. So but I
think people want to be entertained, see the team play hard,
and then figure that gives you enough chance to win
enough games. Because I think most Kentucky football fans understand
to why, yes, it would be great to win a
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national championship, It's probably not gonna happen. It's because of
the reasons you were talking about. But I think that
being entertained doesn't mean clock mismanage. I don't think it necessarily
means having to score sixty points a game. But I
think it means like, at least you can complete two
passes or throw four passes of ten yards or more
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or something like that. At least look like you gotta
change instead of just on all these little short dumps
and that kind of thing. I think that's what has
people frustrated.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Right now. I got a question, Go ahead, I have
a question.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Were the fans entertained when Lynn Bowlden was the quarterback,
I would probably say yes, right, yeah, and those same fans,
those same fans ran eighty grand out of here. Think
about that for a second. Yeah, because because you couldn't
do that year after year after year. Think about it,
because that was exciting football for what seven games? But
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then it's like, why are we still doing this while
we still gotta run the wildcat?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
While we still you know.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
So sometimes that entertainment factor, I don't know what is
wrapped in, but it's not wrapped in gold.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Larry Vault, was Matt Roark? Was Matt Roarke's play it quarterback?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Entertaining?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
If they'd have got the forty zeros him playing. No,
it wouldn't be because they won't. Right, It was entertaining.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Wait, we'll be back out, We'll be back after this.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
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Speaker 4 (34:45):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White, Long,
Larry Vaught, and Van House here to close out the
sad edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk. Van, what's gonna
happen at the quarterback position? The word on the street
is Zach Goalzata maybe extremely hurt. Well, I ain't gonna
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say extremely, maybe enough that he doesn't play again next
week we have to buy a week after that. Uh So,
probably gonna see Cutter next week. If do we stick
with Cutter? If he does good or bad? Or do
or is it a quarterback battle? If Cutter looks good
against the U sub Park team. Well, here's my theory.
First of all, it shouldn't be sad.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Because a lot of y'all thought we was gonna get
blown out by Ole Miss.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So it shouldn't be sad.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I know it's frustrating because it was close and we
had opportunities. This is my theory, and this is my
take on this, this Cutter thing. Let's say Zach isn't hurt,
I mean, is it hurt to a point where he
can't play next week? You will probably sit him anyway,
because we should blow out Eastern Michigan, right, you will
probably sent him anyway. So this is a chance for
you to get Cutter a chance anyway. Now here's the thing,
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in my opinion, this is what Cutter should do. This
is your chance to permit permanently take those keys out
of Zach. Cow's out of pocket and hold them to
your own because no one is happy with the playoff
offense at this point. If you go out there and
show some competency and some efficiency in the passing game,
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you can now be the quarterback from now until whenever.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Because this is your chance. You take over the rains.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Because everything is kind of put into your Everything is
played out perfectly for you to be able to be
the storring quarterback for the rest of the year. If
you show right now, and you show it Monday through Friday,
you showing your preparation Monday through Friday, then showing on Saturday,
you might.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Be a storm quarterback from now to the end of
the season. This is your chance.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And was it just me? I know, I don't know
how much of a film you got to look at
a breakdown? Yet was it just me? And which made
me uncomfortable? Which made me more look at the idea
of a quarterback change. A lot of times, Zach was
not shuffling in the pocket. He was not climbing the pocket.
He was just escaping in the back without There was
no shuffle. He gets to his does, he gets to
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his stanps, he gets to his drop three five and
as soon as he sees there was a ton of pressure.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well not sec pressure. He just starts running.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
There's no shuffling like let me shuffle to avoid dip
my shoulder any of that. He's just I was gone,
which made it hard for the offensive line to protect them.
Receivers downfield one working to get open at this point,
and that just happened way too often for me. Is
that something that can be fixed or did you not
notice that?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
No, he is he is a Rex I call the
Rex Grossman effect because that was the guy who did
it a lot at Florida.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
He's doing it now because he never did it before.
And the thing about like fans said, well are he
being is he big coach? Well, here's what I'm gonna say.
First of all, this is a This is an effect
of a player. Coach has nothing to do with this.
But let's just say it is coaching. But Carl Bowley
came in the game, he stepped up in the pocket,
so it's cut a bowler.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Been thuught to step up in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And Zach is it like it is a thing that
happens in the game where for some reason he is
reverting to a bad habit. And I can't call it
because the guards in the center are doing a really
good job consistently on not getting pushed up the middle,
so he has a pocket there to step in. I
don't know why he's not. I wish I could answer that.
I don't know, but it is a problem.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, we appreciate that, is Van Hoyle's Uh, you appreciate
you with joining us as always getting Larry back on
the boat. Larry, are you feeling any better now?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I know?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I feel just like I did have always started to
show what mean I've told you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That you want Mark Stukes out of here.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
I didn't say want of Mark Stoops out of here,
but I said they've got to get be better this year,
and and being better doesn't include the mismanagement issues that
they had yesterday. That's just something they can't tolerate. And
that's that should be easy to fix.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Mark Stukes getting those guys ready, because we're gonna have
to have that stuff cleaned up next week. Thanks to
Van House, Thanks Jack Pilgrim, Larry Vault, Bo Robinson for
playing the music. I'm Anthony Whitens. This has been Stockyards
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I'm Anthony White along with Larry Vaught and now joined
by my partner on the Locker Podcast, former teammate Van House,
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coming to you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in
downtown Lexington, Kentucky. All right, so we're gonna discuss this
UK football team yesterday's game a whole lot and uh
Van has a lot of insight and he we both
off oftentimes see things differently. But before we start, I
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do wanna I do wanna do want to uh take
this narrative, boy, because there's two narratives going around on
social media right now. On the threads that I'm on
that I'm on the entire time mark the comments they
keep making the entire time. The use the qualifiers because
they keep saying the entire time, entire time he's been here,
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we haven't had good quarter. That's not true to Terry Wilson,
that's not true to Limb Bowden, that's not true to
the year Will Levison and Wandelle Robinson. So it's not
been the entire but everything all the narratives now our
entire time, like we're just building this narrative that he's
the worst coach ever.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
He could be inconsistent. Stop stop stop stop stop. You
forgot the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
That is the only and sole reason why Stoops is
still here at Kentucky and led to two ten one seasons.
Stephen Johnson, But I'm Stephen Johnson. This program is not worried. Okay,
go ahead, I'm sorry I cut you off. So that
one and here's the other one. Everything went bad well
Mark Stoops flirted or had his foot out the door
to Texas A and M night. I want to ask
you all this are you are you mad? Are you
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mad that he didn't leave? Or you mad that he
came back? Which one no, because it was a huge
problem that he was going to leave. And this is
my last point. This is my last point for van
to throw around. And you want to call in on vanas,
but this is my last point. My last point is
and I was having this argument before on Friday night
when I told everybody I thought we were gonna beat
old MS weh no no, So we want to get
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rid of Mark Stoops the vote when is coach in
our history? But we were mad when he was going
to A and M. When is the last time a coach? No,
when is the last time a coach left Kentucky? Because
they were being poached besides Morris, So we got to
keep up that. We just want to fire coaches. Do
you stay here untill we fire? You don't go to
where hold the wait right here? But welcome, welcome to
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this show.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Van Well.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
First of all, First of all, I am highly upset
right now because you bring me on the show when
we lose. I don't never get calling the show when
we win. It's because when we lose, Hey, man, do
you mind coming up? Okay, I got you, I got you. Yeah, Man,
it's look Anthley, I'm gonna say this and then we
can carry on. You can call us whatever is is. Also,
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I look at the other side. It's also a great
feeling for someone who played on a one to ten
season to have fans feel dispassionate about winning. I mean,
I love it, but now there's also a sense of
reality that fans have to come to. But I love
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it that they feel like we should be a twelve
and oh ten win team, nine win team every season.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Some of that is unrealistic, the same ways how some
of these people will say it's realistic, say that some
people are pumpers because they see the bright side of things.
It is a great feeling to come on here and
to have people be upset about us not beating Ole Mess,
a top twenty five team at home.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's a great feeling. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
But but this is kind of where we are because
I don't think anybody has enough to say about the defense.
I mean, have a lot to say about the defense
because the defense did their things. And I just read
this Larry Vaught. Why I just read it. Everybody can
read it because they got stat sheets. But uh, our
man Ty Bryant two picks, ten tackles and one tackle
for loss? Is that Larry Vaught? Is that SEC player
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of the week number?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No?
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Not because you lost?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, he's probably you asked coming out.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
I just gave you an.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The only problem is we're the only team in the
SEC that played SEC. We're the only team that played competition.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
That's a good point. That is a good point too.
That drills a two valid.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Points back you go back and research over the course
of history how many times player for the losing team
has been honored by the SEC. And I don't think
you'll need both your hands to can thought.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I don't think it's ever really, but I'm sure happened once.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, I'm with you, man.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So that's so the big thing in the big discussion.
And you know, obviously because I started this segment like that,
is that a lot of people act like they want
or maybe actually do want Mark Stoops gone or think
that his time is up here. You may agree with
that or not because of a lot of the dysfunction
and inconsistencies of yesterday's game which could have possibly called
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us the game. I'm sure that you can find reasons
that there were a lot of reasons. There's a lot
more reasons than just the head phone malfunction, the delay
of games or using time out for delay of games.
But the biggest thing is where's the offensive problems? What
do you see the offensive problems coming from Stoops? Stoops
and Hamden relationship Zach in Hamden relationship, Hamden's inability to
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get the guys to understand his schemes and concepts, or
maybe he just Zach's not the guy.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, come on, I know you are doing your job
as a host and you have been a great host.
Here's the thing, man, is this is that this is
an all system failure thing. And we said this, We've
said this on the locker Wednesday's not Jimmy since then
the time, We've said this many times that sometimes the
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playbook is too big, like this is not a new concept.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
The two the first two timeouts us in the first
quarter were a situation of OC trying to make the
perfect call and a situation and there's no such thing
as a perfect call. And when you are trying to
make a perfect call in this game with personnel changes
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the way he likes to change personnel, it's going to
be a problem and it's going.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
To lead to timeouts.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And unfortunately, and this is the crazy thing about this
is that all it takes is one play that halftime.
I guess people say for what its hectic, awkward, whatever
it was, whatever word you use, was caused by the
two timeouts in the first quarter, because if you ask me,
the first three plays of that drive the four to
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half were perfect. Let's see, we can get a first down,
we get a first time, we get a big play.
Now we should be able to use a time out,
but a hahaha, we don't have ide because we waste
them in the first quarter. If we have a time
out at that point, we score points.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
And what was the.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Score at halftime seventeen thirteen, It should have been seventeen sixteen, easily,
and that changed the whole outcome. It changes the temperature
of the halftime. It changed the confidence and the aura
of the fans. You go in seventeen sixteen, it's a
little different than seventeen thirteen. It could have changed the
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outcome of the game. We will never know because we
didn't kick two field goals. Part because we didn't kick
a field goal.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
There, let's get to the phone lines, because we have
a former player on the phone line. Let's see what
little Toon has to say. The more little Toon, what
do you got for us?
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Man man, Good morning, Good morning, fellas, it's a beautiful
morning even and no matter what lessens need.
Speaker 8 (08:06):
To wake up this morning. But uh I said, like
Van Howells, Van gave a lot of insight on a
lot of analytics of it, and he was right slot
on a lot of those areas. You know, decision making
from the coaches is very important. I'm a private I'm
gonna work towards video. Another perspective from a players standpoint,
also so that the sayans can understand that these guys
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are improving, uh, and they are playing hard. I saw
a lot of guys playing hard, a lot.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Of hard out there on the field on the office
side of the ball, and you know, they were sustaining drive.
But they also were in positions that they let them
let some plays on the field where they could be
able to make more plays get things accomplished. Defensively, I
felt like that they were there making things happened. Todd
Bryant had well of a game, you know, hometown Lexi guy,
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well over the game. Probably really proud of that kids.
But the one area that I feel like on defense
that they got to get sharp on it team to
build on, is they got to tackle Lacy did any
in everything he wanted to do yesterday. They stopped him
a couple of times. But when that kid got to
the edges, uh, and even coming through the middle at
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times with our with zone plays and things of that nature,
he was just they couldn't. He was breaking one or
two tackles all the time. And that's one thing that
they have to be an understanding in order to be
as the tackle or the perimeter. And also in all
in all the three levels of defense, you gotta work.
You got to work on the tackle and pieces of it.
They don't have to be long, but we still have
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to have in order to tackle really well, you've got
to have live tackling. And I know they're in season
right now, they're not doing a lot of that. A
lot of that's kind of you know, falls, fall spring,
you know, preparing training camp type of things. But you
still got to do that and they just not doing
it well at all. And the one thing that our
teams in UK the mid ninety time period, I mean,
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they gonna talk and tell you a lot of things
about us, but a lot of our defenses you watched
them on us in ninety ninety seven time period. We
tackled man ninety four.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
We tackled.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
We tackled really well. And that was something that I
took prime in as a five to nine or bunk
sixty five cornerback. I tackled, I hardly mistackled. And if
these guys are a bigger, way, bigger than I that
I was in college sixty one sixty two, buck eighty
five buck ninety dds. And they can't tackle nobody. So
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and you know, I just want to leave that in
a way that the attack to be able to tackle
and make plays. It is a wheel and a heart factor.
Coach cannot tackle for you. Coach cannot catch no balls
for you. Coach cannot throw no balls for you. So
I understand that that coach could have taken a lot
of heat, But we're not players. Got to make plays.
There's no there's no coach out there is going to
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suit up a play for them. They got to own up.
And now you get these guys get paid n I
them money. We didn't get paid like that. We got
meal money and we got a pel grant. Uh but
you know that. But shoot, besides that, we play with
passion and we love the game. These guys gotta get
They gotta make plays on the skill. Coaches cannot make
plays for them. Yes, coaches got to get them the
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right situations to make plays. But you have to make plays.
That is your job. As a scholarship player, that is
your job. As as if you call an il to me.
It's like free agency. You're getting paid money to be
a free agent, so you got to make plays. And
that's no offens the bus about that. I cannot gate
that at all. I mean, because you can scream a
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shout about the coaches all you want and how how
bad what they make these calls is that call. But
if the coach make a call, you still got to
execute the call. Players got to execute the call. Everybody
got to find their gaps, everybody gotta cover, everybody got
to be to keep their outside levers and and make
sure that they're running back or get outside of them
cornerbacks of letting now running back to outside of them,
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not even trying to tackle them. They old lay them
and lazy. If I'm not mistaken, Lacy is not a
really big back, but he just they made him look
like he was a I mean, that kid is either
it is either a dag or good. I think he
is good, but they didn't look better than what he
was because they did not tackle him.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
That's all I have.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
But I think that I think and I believe that
our guys are going in the right direction, but they
got to clean up the will to do and make
plays on the field coaches can't make places.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Me at all.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Thanks for the call, Littleton. Uh that is that is true.
I think there's a lot of truth that. I think
there's a lot of blame to go around. I think, uh,
just at this point for what I'm the feeling I'm
getting from social media and not all the call not
most of the callers have been supportive. I think people
just want Mark Stoops out of here for whatever reason.
But let's get back to the phone line to see
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what Rick has to say. Good morning, Rick, what do
you got for us?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Good morning guys. Well, I think I couldn't agree with
the previous caller about tackles. I think we missed tackle
after tackle on the edges and uh. But I think
that I think that we kind of give me it's
Barnhardt a free pass here for these lifetime contracts that
put us in this position where you know, we can't
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buy Stoops out or I mean it's going to be
really expensive. And I think he gets a free pass
for doing well in the Olympic sports and things. But
I think a lot of times, instead of doing his
due diligence, he'll promote, you know, from within, or not
do the nationwide search and take the easy route for him.
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And I think it's what we got lucky with Cal
on his departure. We didn't have to buy him out.
But I don't know what's going to happen this year.
I think we will be lucky to be five and seven,
and if that's the case, I'm not sure what will happen.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Hey, Rick, I don't know if you're UK football or
basketball fan, but because you echo what a lot of
people are saying, and this is what I'm sure Van
is going to agree. Larry Vaught, I probably can convince
him to agree that. So when these deals, when it's
not that amount of money, but when these deals were
being made with Mark Stoops in Caliperry, we should just
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let him walk because we should have just I'm not
saying what's happened in the past three years, but when
that nine million dollar deal was was made with Mark Stoops,
should we have just let him walk the start off
and we start rebuilding then. But because even if we
didn't pay him, somebody was going to offer him good
money because at that point he had no flaws, no
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no chinks in his armor.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Should we have just let him walk?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
No, I agree that I think that's put us in
a bind. And uh, you know, I hope they do
well this year. I mean, you know, it's hard to
know with a new team uh coming in, but you know, again,
it's just a it's just a tough schedule, tough conference
and uh, you know, then at it for decades and
decades and we break through for a few years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
I think Land and Young had a lot to do
with that myself, but uh, and the offensive line. But
I just think that we had a couple of guys
come here that you know, been hard to replace.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, thank you for the car Rick. I appreciate that
we up against the break.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Van.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'll let you answer that question before we come back.
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Speaker 4 (15:22):
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banking and financial needs. Talking about UK football yesterday's game
against Old misson a thirty to twenty three defeat for
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our Wildcats, and also at this point it's more of
how much more can our fan base take? How much
more does the university have to take with the Shenanigans
or this function or just the head coach itself. But
Van Howe, before we want to break we were talking
about UH at the time of what was it twenty
twenty two? When the when the when the salary got
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the jumping, So coming off of twenty twenty one season,
if someone wanted to pay Mark step seven million dollars
was our with our our fan base and anyone who
was calling eight five nine to eight zero two to
eighty seven, eight five nine to eight zero Cats in
twenty twenty one? Was he worth that jump to six
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point whatever was six point three million?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, I'm an answer, but first of all, answer, I
have a problem. First of all I want to have
I wanted to address right there real quick. If you know,
you know he's had some great points, he said, some
great points, and he was on a roll when he
said ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, Why did he
have to say ninety four?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I heard that. You heard that too, But why he
had to say ninety four?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He was we was rolling and I was I was
like getting excited about to run through a brick wall.
But then he had to stay come on with LT all. Right,
another thing is this, anthy And this is the thing?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right man?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Look at other programs within this conference, right, know what
happened with other programs in this conference. When something bad
happens in the coach, you know what they do, Anthony,
I'm gonna say a bad word.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They pony up. You know what?
Speaker 3 (17:21):
When Edge Oderon run that national championship and then went
eleven and whatever the next two years, guess what they did.
They pony up and got him out of there. When
Jimbo Fisher had this problem that Texan in, guess what.
Somebody poney up and paid send me some million dollars
for him to get up out of colle station. When
when Florida had Ron Zuck and must Champ and all
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those guys come through, guess what they did. They pony
up and got them all there. If y'all want stoops
out of here, y'all create a fun and present MS
Barnhard with forty plus million dollars, and I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He would have gotten out of here. But are y'all
willing to pony up? That's a good point. That's all
I got to. That's all I gotta say. That's a
good point.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Larry Watch you're sitting over here being quiet, and I
give you a lot. I give you a hard time
on this show a lot. I don't understand your stance.
And you speak for the fan base a lot that
you know they shouldn't be comfortable with him making this
amount of money and having these, like I said, Keystone
Cop moments every year, weekend and week out. But for
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the body of work was van and all those former
players are always trying and point out like the body
of work and how hard it is to win and
the games we didn't win. They win these games on
the regular. As Mark Stoops, do you think that when
it was time where he was in twenty twenty one,
in twenty twenty two, should we just have let him
walk and not negotiated with them and just started rebuilding
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then because it's only two years later.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
You had to read to negotiate and try to keep
him and I guess in your own mind you had
to decide what that price was. But I think that
Mark Stoops had a better agent than Mitch Barnard had
to cuchedy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
On his side.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, and so now do you think the fan base
go ahead? We only got about thirty seconds though, man,
whatever your.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Pointy, Okay, all right, this is quick.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Well, here's the deal, right, When the rabbit has a
gun is not fun. When you bring up a program
from two to ten and you have been here the longest,
he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Now, if you would have got nine.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Million after year five or six, that's a problem. But
he's been here so long with two ten one season.
He got to that point.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
He didn't just reached that point. He got to that point. Yes,
because the jump thirty years.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now the length of it, I think that should be
able to be negotiated. We'll continue this conversation on the
other side of the break. You'll listen to Stockyards Bank
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Speaker 1 (19:48):
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Speaker 4 (20:01):
Welcome back, Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Van Halen, I mean
Van Hiles. This hour Sunday Morning Sports Talk has brought
to you by Country Boy Brewing Larry Vaught. Before we
get back to this other subject, I want to I
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want to get Van's uh idea. What do you think
is gonna be go? What's gonna happen moving forward? A quarterback?
But Larry Vaught, I want you to send this message
to your followers and the people who keep on coming
after me on the on the social media.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
The culture has changed around here.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
And I know Mark Stoops has dropped the bag, dropped
the ball fumbled, and he should be more accountable. That's
one thing I've said the four a long time. He
should be extremely more accountable. Van had a heck of
a point. If you want him out on gehead, get
forty of you millionaires. No, I'm sorry, forty millionaires. But
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I want to point this out because because Littleton Ward
was on it before, we have Van on here and
this is something I know you can appreciate. Larry Vaught,
we have beat Florida in football twenty one times. You
understand that lyric they had. At one point when I
was ten years old, they started a thirty one game
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winning streak that dates back until I was three. We
won one time from the time I was three up
until the time I got here. Then they started they
kept kicking our tail when I was here. Mark Stoops
has beat them four times in the past seven years.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well three because one get vacated.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I forgot. You say, it is Kentucky football. Only half
of them count. So we beat them two times. Do
you remember, Larry Vaught that people thought we weren't ever
gonna beat Florida. Then it turned the time when little
Cody was like, hey, do we get to go watch
us beat Florida again?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Does that not? Does that not count for anything? Larry Vaught?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
But do you remember a time when people didn't think
they'd lose a Vandy two years in a row?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Has I lost the three in a row with the vault?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
So I don't know where you get that one from.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I mean, there was there was a time in the
past twenty years he didn't think that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I remember back in the oh, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Kentucky beat Florida back to back years when when by
Buddy Dave hope Well and Derek Ramsey and those guys played.
They just aw beating Florida was routine. So yeah, I
mean I give Stoops a lot of credit for that.
But still, when you're getting over nine me in a
year and you've raised that bar up and you went
four to eight one and one, and you have all
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these kind of operational issues, I mean, that just can't
happen when this is going to be the year that
everything's going to be different. As Van said, you can't
go out there looking like a middle school or a
poorly coached high school team and have to blow two
timeouts in the first half. I mean, didn't they blow
one after a kickoff on first down?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yep, yep?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
I mean, how can that happen? Everybody's on the sideline,
You're gonna go, I mean, come, oh my.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
God, but that is embarrassing. I give you that one.
That that is embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Well, I mean, can you can you if if if,
your if your brother. Let's say your your wife goes
to work, mister ball and making Okay, okay, let's let's
say your wife goes to the grocery or and make
a scene. Everybody's gonna come back on you, mister ball
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right said, what are you doing at home?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's not your fault?
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, well, I mean is that Stoop's fault? That
bush is it's trying too hard to get the perfect playout?
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Is yeah? I think, because I mean, the head coach
has got to be the one that's accountable.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Correct, And that's why you have to pay a nine
million dollars so he can sit on that throne and
be like, Okay, I can take all this, this this
abusement when it's not my fault.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Hold on, hold on, guys, Let's let's get you go
to you guys, go to your corner. Both you go
to your corners. Let's go to the phone line. We
got a caller, caller, what do you got for us?
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Hey, good morning, guys, howry I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I didn't catch your name. I'm sorry, Oh you're good.
It's William. I thought it was real. All right? How's
it going?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Not too great?
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Honestly, this morning I was just thinking about do I
really want to go this next Saturday night with.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
My season tickets that I've had since twenty ten, been
going to games since early two thousd My first game
was watching the hefty left to you God rest his
soul against Minisent.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
At mil Tennessee State like O two or whatever when
that fight broke out. I love UK football.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
I love I love it with the bottom of my heart.
I always tell people I'm more of a fan of
the UK football than i am basketball. People think I'm crazy,
and I'm okay with that. But going to watch us
beat a match team seventeen to six on Saturday night
with anemic offense like Stoops, I hope you hear me,
it's not fun. It's it's agonizing for the fans. You
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have no continuity with your coordinators. It doesn't make sense,
like is it a personal thing with Mark Stoops or
is it his philosophy or both. We've had guys leave.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
Here that are very successful with good schemes like what
is going on? And I'll just I'll end my r
there go cats.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Thank you for the call.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Will then you got a response, I got I got
a lot to say.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Will.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I appreciate your your patroness, because if you starting to
twenty ten, you know where this program was in two
than ten, you know where we came from. Here's the
deal that I want people to understand with these coaches.
I know Shannon Dawson, he's from Louisiana, Well, Louisiana ish
all right, Shannon Dawson came here and tried to do
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things without the talent level that would help him be successful.
Same through with Neil Brown. Shanna Dawson goes to Miami.
Before Miami, he didn't have success in other miss So
I want people to understand it's not like he came.
He left here, went somewhere else became successful. He wasn't
successful as other miss either. Lloyd behol he gets somewhere
with a whole bunch of talent. He gets cam Ward there.
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Now he's the greatest oc ever. Name some players on
all team offensively that would have started for Sanna Dawson
when he was at Miami liman zero. So sometimes we
also have to understand the play. As Lilton say, the
Jimmies and Joes matter. It's just like Neil Brown, Jimmys
and Jones mattered. Unfortunately, Neil Brown came here at the
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start of the Stupent's era where we didn't have players.
It wasn't Neil Brown's fault, he just came at a
bad time. Dan and Dalson now is infused with Bay
County Proward County football players.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
It matters.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Why why are you talking about the coaching thing? I
found this interesting and this came up all morning, you know.
They The other other topic is if we don't have
Mark Stut's here, who do you want to have? When
everybody said, eh, John, it's a no brainer, and you
have an interesting take, you have an interesting take on that.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Look, here's the thing, y'all. I'm from Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I went to a great high school with a lot
of people that were a lot of money. And some
of those people are at Tulane. They are not afraid
of Kentucky was still in some summing. They're afraid of
other schools still. So so just because you want somebody,
when I was young, I wanted to date certain people.
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That didn't mean it was gonna happen. So therefore, just
because he look and summy is not a Kentucky guy,
he's an alarm. He's not from Kentucky. Like all of
that draw to come back to Kentucky is he only
will here in forty years. So it's not like he's
a lifer. So don't just think just because someone graduated
from a school that the fool is to come back here.
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I would say this his chances will win. I'm answer
this is the big thing. All coaches have egos. All
coaches want to have a chance to win a national championship.
John Sumraw has a better chance at Tulane or win
a national championship than if he came here.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And that's just being realistic. That's true, that's true, But
that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, And he's gonna make his money at Tulane
because after the lost Threats, they are going to try,
all right, they are gonna try everything possible not to
lose another coach because they lost a great coach that
brought that program back from zero, kind of like what
Stoops did here and they lost them. They are going
to do everything within their power to not let this
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coach leave.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I promise you on that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That doesn't mean he doesn't leave, but they're gonna give
him everything possible that they can do because they have
created things resources now at Tulane that they never had
in the past.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Larry vardif we're doing then I'm gonna ask you about
the quarterback before we get you out of here.
Speaker 10 (29:34):
Van.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But Larry Vardif we're doing a coach in search and
we have to have a checklist, say say we say
he Stoops gives us, does a calipari for us? Say
you know what, I'm gonna step down. I'm gonna go
somewhere else. I feel like, just to get the fan
based off his back, he should do it. Harball here, man,
just restructure this thing, man, so they get off my back?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
If that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Or what's on the checklist, Larry Vaulk, because eight wins
enough and I know you and the fan base all right,
well we're not getting we're not even getting eight wins anymore.
So what is on the checklist? National championship? Because that
Van made that interesting. If the next coach comes, is
that going to be the expectation national championship? Because it
was six wins when Stoops came.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Though, I think the goals should be national championship. I
don't know the expectations should be national championship. I think
you have to be realistic, as Van pointed out. But
I think anybody will tell you that's the goal. I mean,
I would think when you played Anthony, your goal wasn't
just to win six games. Your goal was to go undefeated,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, but if you won't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
But when we're recruiting, I want to know, what do
you think just from what you hear, what's at the
top of that list. What's the top two things at
the top of the list? To win six games, win
eight games, change the culture.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
To win and be entertaining.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yesterday's game wasn't entertaining. It was frustrating, but I felt
entertaining because even like I said before, if we lose
sixty to ten, now that would be something that will
be like little Man Jump Ship.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, Anthony, it's that air raid deal man that people
still look And I'm gonna get on you about this.
I want people understand the air raid the most games
they won with seven. Think about it, like, but it
was entertaining, so it was fun to watch. But at
the end of the day, the most games the air
rad one was seven, right, I mean, just let's think
about it, like, but but I do get it the
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entertainment fact that like people like to see the scoreboard
light up. But remember, at the end of the day,
though they have it, that that system, that scheme and
all the excitement and with a number one round number
one pick in the draft now first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was the number one pick.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
The most games that system round was seven games.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
But but you also said then that it's not gonna
be realistic for a coach to come here and be
able to win a national championship.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
So I think that.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Average fan that spending all his money or spending a
lot of money to come to games and everything, and
I though in one more thing, he wants he or
she wants to be entertained, and they also want to
see the team play hard. I think they want both
of those things, which last year they didn't get either
one of those. And there's been some years from Kentucky
that happened. Most years Understoops, you've got to play hard.
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I don't think that's right issue. I think not playing
hard created a lot of issues with a lot of fans.
I don't think I haven't heard one person say they
didn't think the team played hard. Yes, y, I don't
know if the coach. I don't know if the coaches
coach smart. But the hope that the team played hard, yeah,
missed a few tackles is Littleton pointed out. But sometimes
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that happens, and sometimes you have to give the Anthony
White to the world credit for making you miss those
tackles too. I mean, sometimes that happened. So but I
think people want to be entertained, see the team play hard,
and then figure that gives you enough chance to win
enough games. Because I think most Kentucky football fans understand
to why, yes, it would be great to win a
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national championship, It's probably not gonna happen. It's because of
the reasons you were talking about. But I think that
being entertained doesn't mean clock mismanage. I don't think it necessarily
means having to score sixty points a game. But I
think it means like, at least you can complete two
passes or throw four passes of ten yards or more
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or something like that. At least look like you gotta
change instead of just on all these little short dumps
and that kind of thing. I think that's what has
people frustrated.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Right now. I got a question, Go ahead, I have
a question.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Were the fans entertained when Lynn Bowlden was the quarterback,
I would probably say yes, right, yeah, and those same fans,
those same fans ran eighty grand out of here. Think
about that for a second. Yeah, because because you couldn't
do that year after year after year. Think about it,
because that was exciting football for what seven games? But
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then it's like, why are we still doing this while
we still gotta run the wildcat?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
While we still you know.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
So sometimes that entertainment factor, I don't know what is
wrapped in, but it's not wrapped in gold.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Larry Vault, was Matt Roark? Was Matt Roarke's play it quarterback?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Entertaining?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
If they'd have got the forty zeros him playing. No,
it wouldn't be because they won't. Right, It was entertaining.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Wait, we'll be back out, We'll be back after this.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
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Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony White, Long,
Larry Vaught, and Van House here to close out the
sad edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk. Van, what's gonna
happen at the quarterback position? The word on the street
is Zach Goalzata maybe extremely hurt. Well, I ain't gonna
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say extremely, maybe enough that he doesn't play again next
week we have to buy a week after that. Uh So,
probably gonna see Cutter next week. If do we stick
with Cutter? If he does good or bad? Or do
or is it a quarterback battle? If Cutter looks good
against the U sub Park team. Well, here's my theory.
First of all, it shouldn't be sad.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Because a lot of y'all thought we was gonna get
blown out by Ole Miss.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
So it shouldn't be sad.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I know it's frustrating because it was close and we
had opportunities. This is my theory, and this is my
take on this, this Cutter thing. Let's say Zach isn't hurt,
I mean, is it hurt to a point where he
can't play next week? You will probably sit him anyway,
because we should blow out Eastern Michigan, right, you will
probably sent him anyway. So this is a chance for
you to get Cutter a chance anyway. Now here's the thing,
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in my opinion, this is what Cutter should do. This
is your chance to permit permanently take those keys out
of Zach. Cow's out of pocket and hold them to
your own because no one is happy with the playoff
offense at this point. If you go out there and
show some competency and some efficiency in the passing game,
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you can now be the quarterback from now until whenever.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Because this is your chance. You take over the rains.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Because everything is kind of put into your Everything is
played out perfectly for you to be able to be
the storring quarterback for the rest of the year. If
you show right now, and you show it Monday through Friday,
you showing your preparation Monday through Friday, then showing on Saturday,
you might.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Be a storm quarterback from now to the end of
the season. This is your chance.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And was it just me? I know, I don't know
how much of a film you got to look at
a breakdown? Yet was it just me? And which made
me uncomfortable? Which made me more look at the idea
of a quarterback change. A lot of times, Zach was
not shuffling in the pocket. He was not climbing the pocket.
He was just escaping in the back without There was
no shuffle. He gets to his does, he gets to
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his stanps, he gets to his drop three five and
as soon as he sees there was a ton of pressure.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well not sec pressure. He just starts running.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
There's no shuffling like let me shuffle to avoid dip
my shoulder any of that. He's just I was gone,
which made it hard for the offensive line to protect them.
Receivers downfield one working to get open at this point,
and that just happened way too often for me. Is
that something that can be fixed or did you not
notice that?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
No, he is he is a Rex I call the
Rex Grossman effect because that was the guy who did
it a lot at Florida.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't understand why.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
He's doing it now because he never did it before.
And the thing about like fans said, well are he
being is he big coach? Well, here's what I'm gonna say.
First of all, this is a This is an effect
of a player. Coach has nothing to do with this.
But let's just say it is coaching. But Carl Bowley
came in the game, he stepped up in the pocket,
so it's cut a bowler.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Been thuught to step up in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And Zach is it like it is a thing that
happens in the game where for some reason he is
reverting to a bad habit. And I can't call it
because the guards in the center are doing a really
good job consistently on not getting pushed up the middle,
so he has a pocket there to step in. I
don't know why he's not. I wish I could answer that.
I don't know, but it is a problem.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, we appreciate that, is Van Hoyle's Uh, you appreciate
you with joining us as always getting Larry back on
the boat. Larry, are you feeling any better now?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I know?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I feel just like I did have always started to
show what mean I've told you.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That you want Mark Stukes out of here.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
I didn't say want of Mark Stoops out of here,
but I said they've got to get be better this year,
and and being better doesn't include the mismanagement issues that
they had yesterday. That's just something they can't tolerate. And
that's that should be easy to fix.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Mark Stukes getting those guys ready, because we're gonna have
to have that stuff cleaned up next week. Thanks to
Van House, Thanks Jack Pilgrim, Larry Vault, Bo Robinson for
playing the music. I'm Anthony Whitens. This has been Stockyards
Bank Sunday one, the sports Star on news radio six
thirty WHAP
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