Sunday Morning Sports Talk - September 28, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk presented by
the lead troop BOARDGE Radio Network on six thirty WLAP.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on Anthony
White along with Jack Pilgrim and Larry Vaut coming to
you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown lextonton
Kentucky Clark's Pumpy Shop, Return, Refresh and Refuse. Talking about
UK's football game yesterday where we lost the South Carolina

(00:35):
game Cocks down in Columbia, South Carolina thirty five to
thirteen after a ten seven ten seven first quarter. Wills
kind of fell off and I don't think we ever
really recovered. Jack Pilgrim, what is the worst What is

(00:55):
the worst part about that game that you kind of
walk away like this is it? There's a couple of
things to me that I felt, maybe feel like, Okay,
I see with the fan base. Why the fan base
is upset? I see, well, it kind of looked as
if we were not being treated as an SEC team

(01:16):
and were repeatedly being told we have SEC talent, which
I do think we do. But everybody keeps on social
media and a lot of people are saying at this
point that if we have the Jimmies and Joe's and
we have a better team we had last year to
compete in this conference and we're not, then you have
to look elsewhere for the problems. But I don't know,

(01:37):
I know you looked at it differently. You kind of
gave up on the game extremely early. I still had
a little hope thought we would recovered. We didn't. But
what was the biggest point in the game or points
in the game that made you feel as if, you know,
I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Of Oh yeah, I mean obviously just the two defensive
touchdowns and three plays for South Carolina where it just feels,
you know, you get off to such an unbelievable start
with you know, Seth McGowan scoring and you just feel
all the momentum in the world on your side, you know,

(02:14):
taking the you know, receiving the opening kick that was
a gutsy decision and then you know, kind of putting
your money where your mouth is on that score, you
kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Had that vibe of, well, shoot.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Maybe we are ready to go down and you know
make a statement defense you know, bends and breaks in
that first first possession, but you go, you know, all right, whatever,
it's a newt New ball game. You still got some
momentum to ride on and then you know, still able
to go down and you know, put together a scoring drive,
so you fit, you felt really really good about where

(02:43):
things started, and then it's just it was over before
it even really got to to continue. It just opened
the second quarter. Just it was an absolute disaster and
you just wonder, like, you know, you almost have to
play perfect football at this point, considering everything at the
you know, we've seen with the talent and the coaching
and you know, everything put together, it just feels like

(03:06):
all it took was just a little you know, the
wheels to just start getting wobbly and then everything you
know that they all fell off and there was no
looking back from there. So yeah, that's obviously the head
scratching stretch that you know kind of lost everything.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
But I guess it's the early.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Momentum that made you feel so confident and then just
wondering what the heck happened just three minutes into the
second quarter.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
But we we did get some stops coming out of
the half. We did get a couple of stops there.
If offense joins in, it helps out a little bit.
You know, maybe we get a score or two, a
touchdown or two, maybe get ten points out of the
third quarter instead on only three. Maybe maybe the things
look different. Larry, we did stop them, It did them

(04:00):
on that time.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
I was full disappointed that Kentucky didn't stop South Carolina
on that very first series after Kentucky head scored. Again,
that's one of those who kind of look back and
they had some chances, just couldn't get off get off
the field. And again they had trouble stopping Sellers when
he when he ran the ball. But overall, the defense

(04:22):
did had to be on the field very much because
offense was out there a lot. That South Carolina still
what averaged almost six yards for play against Kentucky. So
I mean the defense wasn't got awful, but it wasn't
overpowering either, not as good as what I thought it
would be. And I know we keep talking about that. Yeah,

(04:44):
the talent is better than last year, but is it
I mean, I don't really know if it is or
I mean, at this point you've kind of got to wonder.
Overall there's some Yeah, there's some really good players on
the team, but maybe and Seth the gallon, great pick
up out of the transfer portal. Now you're starting to

(05:05):
kind of think maybe some of the others maybe they
weren't quite a great to pick ups what everybody thought
they were.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think so I just I have I don't know
if there's a lot of stress, and I don't know
if there's more to the whole Vince Marrow thing that
maybe the locker room maybe not, the coaching offices may
be severed, or there may be some tension there. Because
I do think Kendrick Lock can play. I do think
David Gusta can play. I do think some of those

(05:34):
guys we brought it also, And here's the other thing,
Larry vaugh and Jack Pilgrim. I also think that Jason
Patterson can play. He didn't just mysteriously just move up
and you know, let's get him some reps. But I mean,
McCowan is the guy. Seth is a dude, so I
can understand Seth getting some reps. But I also feel like,
because Jason's so long young, he can learn behind set

(05:54):
if you don't want them to start. But I still think,
you know, he could be the future. But there's just
something about the just to mix up, the play calling,
the UH, the lineups, the rotation uh and and I
say that not more so on the offensive, but more
so on the defense. I've always praised Brad White, but
his defenses are playing conservative and saw at this point

(06:17):
they're not even using their arms to tackle. That is
what you're doing Peewee's when kids you put their arms
together and try to hit you with the shoulder pads.
So it is we've regressed just in fund of some
fundamental and technical uh portions of the game. And that
part is really interesting to me. Like how interested are we?
That's what someone on social media just asked, how interested

(06:40):
are we to succeed or be successful? And that you
typically come from the top.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean you use the Vince Barrow words, and
I mean when you look now, you think, well, maybe
the Vince knows something that the rest of us didn't.
And that's kind of helped the lead to why he left.
Also about some inner turmoil and some things that going on,
or some people not being as good as we thought,
or some coaches not being able to do what you

(07:08):
need to be able to do. It's just been a
weird scenario. And like I say, I think it's just
been a very disappointing start to the season for Kentucky.
And I think the sentiments that Jack expressed about the season,
I mean, they were pretty harsh, But I'm not sure
right now if you pold Big Blue fans that the

(07:30):
majority of them aren't sitting right there with Jack. Right
now that basketball is getting ready to start, there's not
much hope for football. It doesn't seem to be if
they go to Georgia and get clobbered and then they
have another bye week and everybody knows what's going to
happen after a bye week. I think it's going to
be onto basketball for most UK fans.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, and I agree because, like I said, I looked
at it and I thought a lot of these things
could be cleaned up, because I know these guys should
be inside the locker room and trying to correct problems.
And I don't think most people feel like problems are
problems because more film you have in more mistakes you have,
the more you can learn how to correct them and
not make them again. But it's just happening too often.

(08:14):
It's just like some things that probably shouldn't happen at
this level of football and you know, it's too many
of those my bad, my bad, my bad. You say
that too many times in college, especially in the pros.
You say my bad too many times. Yeah, don't worry
about it. Bring your playbook upstairs. But let's get to
let's get to the phone lines and see what Michael

(08:34):
has to say. Good morning, Michael. Oh he hung up.
He well, guys, he was Are we at the point, jack,
because knowing would we know, are we at the point
that Michael wanted to talk about coaching names? Are we

(08:55):
at that point, Jack Man?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's I mean, yes, the obvious answer is yes, that
that we we're well past the point of talking about
Oh man, how there's no way John summerl couldn't you know,
turn this program around? Or what about you know, John
Gruden like we did all We've been talking names and
possibilities for for you know, months now, because we've we've

(09:24):
known that this was a very real possibility. But uh,
it's it's the the actual possibility of will you know,
do you have the money to to buy him out
and you know, fire him and find the replacement. That's
that's the question. It's it's the it's a financial question.
It's not about the football and you know, whether the
momentum is going in the right direction. Like, yeah, I

(09:45):
think I think anybody with with two eyes and two
ears can see and hear that this is going in
the wrong direction. And and there isn't an obvious quick
fix in terms of, uh, you know, what what is
it going to take for fan buy in to you know,
kind of help turn turn things around and add some
momentum because it's not going to come from donors. It's
not going to come from you know, butts and seats

(10:08):
because we know that's not going to happen the rest
of the season. So we like, there isn't an organic
way for this to get fixed outside of just you know,
magically going down to Athens and beating Georgia next week.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like is that happening?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I mean, it's I'd be absolutely stunned, But you know,
that's that's the only real possibility we have. But we
can all see that that's not where this is trending.
And we do need to kind of talk about what
the next steps would be and how you would possibly
get there.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But yeah, if we we're well.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Past the point of thinking of potential candidates and who
would be better in you know, this situation, because that
list is growing longer and longer and longer, because I
think just about anybody can can you know, go five
and ten and you know, coming off a bye week
and six and eleven overall, outside of the SEC.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think Jack pooke from teeing it up, I'm not
gonna knock it out of the park. He did tee
it up for me, but he asked, what can the
fan by indu to help? I could answer that question,
but I'm not. So Let's get to the phone lines
and see what Alvin has to say. Good morning, Alvin,
what do you got for us?

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Hey, good morning guys. How you doing good? Yeah? The yeah.
The commentators last night they put up a screen of
all the quarterbacks that has come through the program over
the last four or five years. UH, and seemingly the
inconsistent UH play of the quarterbacks over those years has

(11:31):
been probably more detrimental to the team versus you know, coaching,
because there has been some pretty decent offensive coordinator Sarah
lin Cohn and Shannon Uh. They you know, they have
some pretty good UH offensive schemes. But I think that
when you look at the at the team over the

(11:52):
last two or three years, it just has just you know, regressed.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
And then of course everything is towards you know, removing
the coach, and that's that might be fair conversation. But
then you have to think they look at the quarterback
position that you don't have, you know, a quarterback that
has dual threat capabilities of anthony, which I think that

(12:17):
that is uh the new age quarterback in collegeball in particular. Uh.
And you know Bowley last night was three or four
hits away from having an autopsy conducted on him.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
So I don't know if the offensive line was happy guys,
you know, was they able to hold their blocks?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (12:39):
You know, guys was coming off the age edges and
seemingly dominating the offensive line. So I think that you've
got to go and use N I L money, which
that is a always be the out when when you
have the quarterback that may not be as good as
you like, you gotta use that eld money. In my opinion,

(13:02):
Jack Jogging to go and get a dual threat quarterback
that you use his arm and his leg in this
age of college football.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Thank you for the call, Alvin. We'll talk a little
bit about that, but first let us hit this break.
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Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Speaker 2 (13:34):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Jack Pilgrim. Stockyards Bank
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and financial needs. Before we get some basketball updates, because again,
as I stated, we are with two weeks away, almost

(13:57):
two weeks away, a little less than two weeks away
from a basketball jumping off. But Jack, does it make
you feel any better with the last College said about
maybe a dual threat Avison, maybe a dual threat quarterback?
Is that the answer? Or powerful quarterback? Because we've placed,
we've we've we've played against some some really powerful quarterbacks

(14:21):
and and that may or may not have been a
difference with the game. Quarterbacks making plays with their legs
or just the fact that they are a stoop.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Man.

Speaker 7 (14:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I don't think that would make a difference. I think
we've seen different types of quarterbacks. We've seen mobile, we've
seen statues, We've seen a little bit of both, you know,
come come through Kentucky Terry Wilson, I mean, just go
we you know, lin Bowden being the most agile and
athletic quarterback we've we've seen you know, under under stoop.

(14:54):
So yeah, I think we've seen it go both directions,
and the results are you know, whatever across the board.
So you know, maybe, but I don't think that that's
necessarily the answer that we're looking for for a turnaround,
at least under the current administration.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I will say, and Larry Vault before we get basketball
for Jack Asilief, I will say about that quarterback situation.
People are starting to make that rumbling that so if
you have a quarterback and you don't have a coordinator
that can relate to them, then you have a whole
other issue. But there's been years, as you've been around,
that we have the greatest quarterback, one of the greatest

(15:32):
quarterbacks in college history, and we still only win seven
and four, which which would not have made this fan
base happy. And we had terrible defense, but we've also
had some defenses that were great and there was no offense,
so I don't think. I don't know if you feel
any different than what Alvin said that if we had
a quarterback that could make the plays move, the change

(15:53):
or just dynamic quarterback that can change the outcome of
some of these games have changed the outlook at fan
base or you think that's not it either, Larry.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
I don't know, Anthony. I mean, the fan base is
really happy when your team went seven and four that year.
I mean that was a huge deal because it was
fun and exciting. I think right now the fan base
just kind of feels like the fun has gone out
of UK football. And again you alluded to earlier that
Mark built it up to that point where expectations were

(16:29):
raised and given credit for that. But now the expectations
have been raised and you're not matching it. People are
not going to be happy. It's very, very similar to
what happened with the men's basketball situation, and I just
don't know that Mark's kind of be able to get
things going back the right way this year. I just
don't see it happening out with the personnel that he's got,

(16:53):
player wise, coaching, wives or whatever. It just doesn't seem
to jive and fit.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Very well to me. Understood, I'll buy that Jack before
we get rid of you, before we lose you for
the rest of the show. Want to get rid of
these well, no, I mean before we lose him. The
first word that come to mind was get rid of
it before we lose Big Blue Madness already sold out.
What else is going on with UK basketball this point? Yeah,

(17:24):
I think that's it. We're full swaying.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
We transition from the eight hours per week allotment from
the NCUBLEA coming back from the summer to the full
twenty so that the NCUBLEA now.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Have views this officially as the preseason.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
So we're here, practices here, and we got Big Blue
Madness here in less than two weeks, and that's pretty
darn exciting. I know, it sucks that we're the fan
base is as apathetic as they are, and we kind
of have to do this every single year that the
turn of basketball season gets everybody so amped up because
of how bad they are going with football. But uh,

(18:01):
you know, I think at least now we know that
we're not going to have you know, Mark Mark Seuss
walk out there and put his foot in his mouth
at Big Blue Madness this time around and kind of
you know, walk it walk and talk on that glass
football field that they had a Big Blue Madness and
kind of saying that we're all in this together. It's like,

(18:22):
I'm not I'm not quite sure that. Uh, that's that's
how the fans, fans feel about this right now. So
at least we know going in that that will not
be a featured, featured moment of Big Blue Madness.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And really quickly so are the the guys who came in.
Are the NBA players that that have been done at
Big Blue Madness that came in under Caliperry? Are those
Caliperry guys or are those our guys? Are those Big
Blue Nation guys? Are they going to? Are they going
to becoming the Big Blue Madness? But the guys being
recruited by Camp, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Don't know if they'll be at Big Blue Madness, but
I mean we had a couple of them last year.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I remember Dan Lamb was there last year.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And I mean just shoot, the last several weeks, we've
had Rejon Rondo come through. We've had Kat you know
for his Hall of Fame come through and talk to
the team. So I think we were kind of chipping
away at that narrative here pretty quickly that that this
is this is just a CAL administration, a CAL program,
and these players were only here for them because the
more you know, the John Walls talk about their time

(19:19):
at Kentucky, it's more and more and more glowingly about
the program itself. And you know, Cal deserves his credit
for getting them to where they are and that you know,
in the NBA Hall of Fame whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
But but yeah, I think we've we've learned pretty quickly
that this is this is the University of Kentucky, and
those players will continue to come through.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That is Jack Pilgrim, follow his work. I got an
interesting concept for Larry Vault and the future of our
football program when we come back. You are listening to
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Speaker 1 (19:53):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk presented by
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Speaker 2 (20:05):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. IM Anthony White,
along with Larry Vault. This hour Sunday Morning Sports Talk
has brought to you by country boy brewing, Larry Vault,
this is some interesting stuff that's going on. So I
need you to pay attention because I got some stuff
I need to ask you and I want you to

(20:27):
answer for and I would love for anyone to call
in and answer me this. I'm not trying to preserve
our fan base any longer. I'm not trying to preserve
our coach because I can understand the frustration, and I
would not I'm a lot frustrated about it, and I'm
a lot frustrating. I've said that for years on this show.
If I can figure out why the problems are happening

(20:48):
and they're correctable, or if I can see what was trying,
what was meant to happen and it just didn't execute,
it's different. But we are all over the place on
a lot of different aspects of the game. So I
am a little bit frustrated myself. I'm not as optimistic
as I have been, Larry Vaught, But here's something I
want to know from the fan base, from your perspective,
from the fan base, and the fan base wants to

(21:08):
call it eight five nine to eight zero two to
eight seven eight five nine to eight zero, Cats which
you said before we went to break or maybe it's Jack,
I can't remember who said it. You know, as you,
fan base wants excitement.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I know that this love affair the honeymoon weather. It's
a long honeymoon. But this love affair between Mark Stoops
and Big Blue Nation may be coming to an end.
I think the foundation is starting to be chipped away,
starting to corrode some. The foundation, he said, is starting
to corrode, just like anything that is weather tattered.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
You said you brought up excitement, because we brought up
the nineteen ninety seven nineteen ninety eight teams where they
were extremely exciting. But one year go five and six,
other year ago seven and four. Right now, that's not
what our fan base wants to see you saying. They
want to see excitement, whether it's seventy four or not.
I'm not sold on that from the comments I'm hearing.
So what I need to know from you, what I

(22:03):
need to know from the fan base. I repeat, I
understand that the foundation between Big the Nation and Mark
Stoops is shaky, if not shattered, crumbled, But these remarks
are being made and we may be stuck with them,
not stuck with them because I like Mark Stoops. But
I do have another scenario once we get to that part,

(22:24):
Larry Bob, but I do need to know is it
the excitement. If we turn this thing around and get
excited and get exciting and we still lose some games
and go six and six, will you where the fan
base be happy or are they still gonna want Mark
Stoops gone? The second thing is if we I know
this is just if just for conversation purpose, if we
go eight and four, we turn the thing around and
go eight and four, does the fan base say, okay,

(22:46):
you know what, We'll give him some grace, We'll give
him a little time. Or if he says, you know what,
you guys are mad that da da dada da. I
know he's split this money different ways for different reasons
with different people. If he says, you know what, I'm
going to just give me the going rate, Just give
me seven million, seven point five million in the next
couple of years to ride this thing out, which I

(23:07):
know he's not going to do well. Any of those
scenarios appeased. You are the fan base that if he
takes less money, if he wins eight games this year,
or if he just even if we go six and
six and it becomes exciting with the fan base, say,
you know what, we're gonna give him some grace.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, I think donkeys will fly before they go eight
and four this year, Anthony, I don't think that's going
to happen. If they suddenly turned around, I think the
fan base would be more patient and willing to stay
on board for another year. But I think right now

(23:45):
the belief is there's just no change that they're going
to turn around. When you look at this schedule and
you're struggling to think, can they win four? I mean
to think that trying to find where they could win six,
I just don't think the fan base really believes that now.
I think last night was a chance to kind of
show some of that, and it just went the other
way too quickly. I mean, I think fans were pretty

(24:07):
excited at the first quarter, but in the halftime, I
think they were a lot of them were just out
and ready to go a different direction of what they're
going to be interested in for a while. So I
don't know if Mark can regain it or not. I mean,
I don't know after the game, when he talks out
he knows they're better than what they're playing. I don't

(24:28):
know that the fan base is totally believing that right now,
and maybe as a coach, maybe he knows it and
that's true. I don't know, but I think just a
product that you see, that's hard for fans to believe
that right now until you go out and do something
to show them that it is different now.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
That they just have struggled and they just have not
looked very good in doing it. As you said, they've
have problems on both sides of the ball. The one
thing they do have they got good kickers.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I'm gonna ask you this before we go to the
phone lines. I'm going to ask you this. If Pete
jumps on that football and throughout the rest of the
game shows some resistances at his position, do you think
the game is different. I'm talking about even just starting
with him jump on that first one. Ble.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I want to say yes. I want to say yes,
I want to believe that and all. But again, that
still wouldn't take away some of the issues that Kentucky's got.
I mean, their offensive line just couldn't protect Cutter. I'm
still worried about can do the hand receivers that can
get open against big time competition or not. So I

(25:39):
still think they've got issues. And as you said, the
tackling on the defense, that's been maybe even more surprising
to me than anything, but that's usually not been an issue.
So I think the game certainly doesn't get out of
hand that Kentucky has a chance if Pete falls on
that ball. But he didn't follow. I went back and

(26:00):
watch he w. I don't sure when he went to follow,
did he That's.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
The point I made, What was he jumping at? But
in his defense? You are in his defense. You are
taught not to jump directly on the football. One it
can squirt out, two you can collapse your chest or lung,
you can break some ribs. And if you jump on
it and a defensive player jumps on you, you can
get do some serious damage to yourself. So you're really

(26:25):
supposed to jump on the side of it and curl
around it. But he didn't execute it. I don't his
arms never even came out to reach for So I'm
with you, like, what was he I don't even know
what he was looking at when he first took off,
but I think he may have missed it. Because you
are taught not to jump on top of it because
you can get the win knocked out of you. You
could actually get your ribs and stuff broke. I three

(26:47):
hundred pounder and another three hundred pounder jumps on your back.
So maybe that's what he was doing. Hopefully, I.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Don't know it was. Even in all the bizarre things
I've seen happen with Kentucky football, that's gonna be one
of the more bizarre that I've seen, because it seemed
like it took him a minute to even react after
his guy got through there and sack and sack cutter
and then it's like always, oh yeah, balls loose, Maybe
ought to go get it. And then he flops down

(27:20):
there and doesn't even get the ball. And I don't
mean to laugh, because I think Pete is a is
a terrific young man and all. And that's part of
why I think makes this hard for being you both.
And we know a lot of coaches, we know a
lot of players. It's hard to criticize people that you
could consider friends and all. But it's also you can't
ignore the reality of what's going what's going on right now,

(27:43):
and they've just got along few weeks coming.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Let's get to the phone line to see what dentist
has to say. Good morning, Dennis, what you got for us?

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Well, I want to tell you something. The reason why
we're in the state ball programs in the state that's
ends because Mark Stukes listens too much to the outside
noise of the fans. The eighty grand wasn't good enough
Russia for three or four are yards a game. Being

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able to adapt to the talent that you had wasn't
good enough this fan base. They wanted to throw the
football forty times a game. So now what do you got?
Now you've got this, you ended all continuity.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
The reason why work is when he changed when he
when he went away from eighty grand, that's when the
that's when he started having promisery. You could, yeah, we
got Liam Kole, but see Linn Cohen. That's where you
know a year, one year he's gone, Skangarella comes in
and then you go back and get calm going. He's

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gone again after another year. No continuity. He had it.
When he had eighty grand, we was winning. And so
it's pathetic right now. And I don't see and I
hope he does. I don't see steps trom this around.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, appreciate the called Dennis. Uh, that is a pretty
interesting concept. But I've said that all along. I do
think and I don't know, Larry Vatt, maybe you can
share some lighter some sympathy on the situation that I
do agree with Dennis in a sense I do. I
do think Mark Stoops may be a little sensitive to
his expectations from the fan base, his expectation from the

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players that he lets that sway maybe some of his
decision making. And maybe you can't. But that's by the
same token if our fan base wants to call for
your head or whatever after you've listened to him. Because
I do think there was a majority of people who
didn't like the style of play that Eddie Grahant was
was playing. But he had different quarterbacks all the time.

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If I'm not correct, he may have switch quarterbacks Darner
every year he was here, had two different quarterbacks throughout
the season. So I had to come up with a
new playbook, had to adjust this because, Uh, who was
the guy that came in in Florida Forests after Terry
got hurt. Sawyer Smith. Well that's Sawyer Smith.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I've been Sawyer's here. Yeah, I'm kind of getting confused.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, yeah, so uh so, but you do you give
any credence to that, any grace to that that you know,
list of the fan base got him in this area,
but then now the fan base is gonna say, don't listen.
That's why, that's why we pay you to make those decisions.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, I don't know. It's a it's a bizarre situation.
And like say, it just hasn't worked very well the
past few years. And I mean, you have quarterbacks that
a lot of people have wanted, You have offensive coordinators
have had some success at other places, but for whatever reason,
it's just not clicking at Kentucky. And again, maybe it's

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the people that are around I don't know, but it's
just I've been fun to watch the last two years.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Is this going to be an attractive landing location for
somebody who's not up and coming and looking to cut
their teeth the same way Mark Steuce was doing?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Uh, that's a great question. I think It'll probably depends
on the taste scale a lot, don't you.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, Now that and that is where, and that is where.
And I'm not saying immediately, I mean whenever this thing
is over, because if where would we start five million
and where would that be at the bottom of the
sec bottom third at sec four five? Maybe four or
five four.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I don't know. I don't know. It's yeah, prob's be
more than that though it I mean, I don't know.
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I know.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I've had friends that have told me the uk IS
reached out to them about what to do with the
how to spend the thirty six million or whatever they're
going to spend the renovate Kroger Field and most of
mine evers said they have responded back by the contract. Now,
I thank you K. That was not a good marketing
decision to send out right at this time, because I
think everybody that I talked to that the answer they gave.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And I'd give you another concept when we come back
from break, because there's a there's another interesting concept that
you may buy into for that for that particular scenario.
We'll be back after this. You're listening to Stockyards Bank
Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news Radio six thirty WLAP.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 2 (32:47):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vought. Was that song play for me?

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Bo?

Speaker 7 (33:01):
Was for what we were talking about, trying to turn
around the season.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I do feel lonely because Ginger on face Ginger on
Twitter acts saying, now I'm the only one on the show.
I'm standing all along. I'm trying to be a fan
or a supporter.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
Well, I mean it's like anything else. You want people
to do good, you want student athletes to do good,
you want your football team to do good. I don't
think there's anything wrong with that. It just gets harder
and harder to be a Kentucky football every weekend football
fan every weekend.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
So and I'm not going to go through this whole
thing again. We're not going here again, mister or Bo.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
But do it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
We This is what football has been ever since I've
known for Kentucky's football. You win ten games what every
twenty years, twenty five twenty years, twenty five years, maybe
something like that, fifteen eighteen, I don't know, but I
know it's a long time between every ten SAT win
season then those eight Saint Looking it ain't a whole

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heap of them either.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
But how many people call up on this show, and
we have done this for years. Larry has heard many
times from many fans. Anthony, you have too. I've taken
my fair share of callers. I've talked to fans at
the stadium and I'm guilty of it too.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I'm done.

Speaker 7 (34:23):
I'm never coming back to Commonwealth Stadium. I'm never watching
another Kentucky football game again. I'm not buying a ticket.
I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And what happens, but they do because they're fans. We
still go. They're fanatical, they do. Yeah, But Larry bo
Well Bowie, I'm asking Larry, but you can partake if
you like. Thank you so, Larry Vo. Here's a scenario
from based off of what you said earlier. And this
is just scenario that has been in my head all
morning because people have been asking me this all night.
If say, the fan base joins out, I'm done with

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U K football ticket sales plummet. We're not going. We
have a joker Phillips situation. But that paycheck has to
be in the bank every whatever Friday whenever they're paid
too today in the NFL, So the paycheck has to
be in the bank. What kind of pressure does that

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supply to barnheart that Look, somehow this revenue is not
where it was, but we still got to cash out
these checks. So once you start using the resume or
the revenue, are you paying that out of your own pocket?
Or do you just cut?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Look, if I'm losing this many, if I'm losing several
million dollars a week, do we say you start doing
math like that? Does that come into play at some point?

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I would think it would have to, wouldn't You don't.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I don't see. I'm not really that good with the accounting.
I'm not certain how that works. But I was thinking,
because somebody brought that up last night, if we're going
to be losing money, And this is not me hypothetic.
I'm not trying to plan on Mark's departure or anything,
but I will say I do believe he's pretty comfortable
making a lot of people on social media are saying
he doesn't seem bother. He gives the same speech. He

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doesn't seem bothered. I think because he knows that the
paychecks are going to continue to roll in or this
This is a consensus I get from social media that
he's gonna either get the money up front however many days,
or it's gonna be paid out over the next what

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for four years? Is it five? So that's kind of
that was the other point I was thinking. I was like,
so if we start to lose money, do they continue
to take the hidden revenue and continue to pay it out?
Not giving anybody's thoughts, I just didn't know, maybe if

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you knew how that worked out, or if anybody any
fans that had ever talked to you about about that
being not a way to get him out and not
not even a ploy. But if that just naturally happens,
like you do you even have another choice? You have
another choice? Are we or as a Barnhardt that stubborn?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
I think he could be that stubborn, or he might
call it loyal. I mean, I don't know what he
would he would call it, but I don't think I
think Mitch will ride and he's shown he'll ride with
folks a long time.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, Well, we're going to talk about something more positive
because when we come back from the break at the
top of the hour, we're going to have our buddy
Kyle Macy to talk about from the Raptors of ruts
where you can pick up your book or softening drive
at twelve o'clock, so you got about two hours. One hour,
so after he gets off, you have another thirty minutes

(37:54):
and you can get over to Southlands. He'll be there
two hours, get your book signed, read through it a
lot of pretty pictures. It is a very well put
together book. It is nice, it is awesome. So tune
back in with us as eleven o five and we'll
have Kyle Macy on your listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday
morning sports talk on news radio six thirty WLAP