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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk presented by
the lead Troop Barge Radio Network on six point thirty
w LAP.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Boa Robinson coming to
you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky.
We are trying to get a hold of Cale Mason.
We haven't gotten hold of him yet, maybe on his
way to mccleod's Coffee House at three seven six South
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in the drive Larry Vaut for the book signing of
From the Raptors of Ruff. Have you had an opportunity
to read.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Or check out?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I have read the book, and I was at one
of Cow's book signings Little Were a week ago and
Danville when he had a really good turnout for it.
I know he had a good turnout when he was
in Somerset, so he's been going across the state. It's
really a nice book to read, full of UK basketball history,
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and you know what I like about it?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
The best? Anthony?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And so I got older, my attention stands not always
as good as it should be. So it's written in
a way because every chapter is about a different player,
so I can you could read like two or three
chapters and if you don't read it again for a week,
you just come back to the next chapter. You don't
have to really remember what you've read before because you're
reading about a new, new player. So it's it's an
easy read that you can just read.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
When you want to.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And it goes all the way back to the forties
up to the last player to have these jersey retired,
and it has a lot of things in there that
you would I think enjoy reading. It's just a fun
read where Kyle sit down with these guys and let
them tell them about their careers.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And Larry Vaud you know what's better than reading a.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Book, let's talking to it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Talking to him well with me and mister Macy. Glad
you can join us this morning.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's been a long time since I've been on the
air with you. Man for like the good old day
that was almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Got to change places that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Way, yeah, absolutely, But so from the from the rafters
of RUP got an opportunity to look at and Larry
was describing it as before We Got You on air,
very colorful. I mean, as Larry says, it's really good
read because I have I have ADHD and dyslexia, so
I could focus on the pictures. The chapters aren't very long,
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but they're very entertaining with your thoughts and going into
being part of the book.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Well, no, I agree, And that's what I think makes
this book a little bit unusual or different than some
of the other Kentucky basketball books. The fact that the
players themselves are the one telling the stories, and you know,
it's not a third person. Their observations, what they saw
a certain game and those type of things. So just
I was real lucky, fortunate and enjoyed every minute of it,
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sitting down with the former players that have their jerseys
retired and hanging them up, and I just ask them questions,
to sit there and talk with them and then you know,
turn it into book form. We did get on them
about before, during and after the interviews, continue to send
us pictures from maybe their family albums, so some of
the pictures a little different, maybe you haven't seen before,
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and try to you know, make it fresh and everything.
But it's a real uh We're real proud of its quality,
coffee table style book and a little thicker and heavier
than some of the other books that are out there
right now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And how tough is it to get those older pictures?
And who do you get them from?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because I was looking at some of Skywalker's pictures and
some of those guys I don't I don't like looking
at my older pictures when I was younger. So who
do you who do you go through that's actually going
to send them to you?
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Well, we go to the players themselves, or your wife
or maybe their parents even sometimes you know, just to
and we returned all the pictures too. Then when we
when we've said, yep, it makes the book better if
you can get more and more pictures like that and
some because you know, there are some candidate shots that
everybody that's a Kentucky fan of seen of some of
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the players, so we tried to go beyond that and
get some of the family album pictures and maybe they
haven't seen. But yeah, we're real pleased with it. And
like Larry I think it said, I've been traveling the
state and I just got back last night from Paducah.
Was down there at Hopkinsville, Murray, Somerset, Danville, London and around.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So yeah, okay, around Kyle.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
Going back to the pictures, which I love. I think
it's fantastic and kind of piggyback on what Larry and
Anthony said that it's an easy read and you mentioned
that it was by design too. I think it's a great,
great coffee table book as you intended it. But with
the pictures, did you and doctor John have much input
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on the layout and how that was all designed, because
it's awesome the way it's just been put together.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean we were very hands on. And with
each chapter of each player, you'll find that I wrote
an introduction kind of just a anthony. You know that
like being a former player, when you talk to other players,
you have that common bond of things you've been through
similar or the heartaches or the celebrations, whatever, and so
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there's there's that bond, and so it wasn't really hard
to get the players to sit down and do the interviews,
and so that was great. But then, you know, so
I wrote something relating myself to those players some we
did have in common if I knew him beforehand, a
story about our relationship and those type of things, So
that kind of introduces each player in each chapter. Then so, yeah,
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is there stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Is there stuff in there that uh, well not in there?
Is there stuff in these interviews that came up to,
Oh no, we can't put that in? Or are you got
pretty liberal about everything that you guys gonna add?
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Well the thing you found. You know, when I'd asked
good player to do the interview, they said, well, how
long are you saying to take? And I said, that's
completely up to you. You know, as long as you
want to talk, we'll we'll record it. And so you know,
most players, they're their favorite players, so they'll talk a
lot about it. So most of them ended up being
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an hour and forty five to two hours just sitting
there talking back and forth. So which was a blast.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
For me during the interview process. I'm sorry, Larry, go.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Ahead just say, Kyle, I'm still an eight. I went
back and read it again that you've got Louis damp here.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
To sit and talk to you. I mean, I see
the longest interview Louis don.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
He's not known for talking a lot, but no, Louis
is a great guy, and I was real pleased he
did agree to it because I wasn't sure, uh, you know,
if he wanted to do that, but he he did,
if he had some good stories back to his old
cheerleading days.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
That was well done, my friends.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Thank you, thank you. You know, if anybody here locally
wants to come out and get a copy, We'll be
at the Mcloud's coffee shop over in South and Drive
today after church from twelve to two. So come on over.
I'll be there signing books if you'd like personalizing it,
and yeah, get your copy.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Well did you have I did during the interview process
with the former players, these great Kentucky basketball legends. I'm
sure you were a little apprehensive of what you may
get what you may not get from the players. But
did it seem a little bit easier during that process
when they opened up a little bit more. Did you
kind of notice that moment through the interviews?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
You know, it's interesting most of the players, again, because
of that common bond, they came in pretty open and
I think they knew I wasn't going to try to
dig up dirt and you know, make a scandalous book.
And the thing I think readers find when they finished
the book. After reading about each individual play or you
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get a better understanding of the history of Kentucky basketball
and how it got where it is today. And that's
one of the reasons that I kind of came up
with the idea of the book, and that I'm not
sure some of the younger generations they may have heard
a name, but they don't really understand the tradition and
how it got to where it is. It didn't just
happen overnight. I mean the winning over the years and
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the coaches and those type of things are really what.
You know, you build that tradition, that foundation and then
get going on and on and on. So to give
you an example, and I don't mean to point him out,
but when I was doing the radio color back in
the early nineties, antline Walker was player of the game.
So I interviewed him after the game, and you know,
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I knew Antonina was from Chicago. So during the break,
I said, somebody he the Bulls one tonight and he said,
oh yeah, okay, he says, you've ever been to Chicago? Well,
I played there for a year, so you know.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And did you come up with the idea?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I know, doctor Warreng because I've been doing a lot
of books now. He does great work, so I'm assuming
he's going to be there as well today. So you
came up the idea, you found him or did he
pitch you.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
I had the idea and it started. It's kind of
an offshoot of our TV show, which a lot of
people loved it, but a lot of people didn't see
it because we had it on across the state, but
it wasn't a set time, so people unless they were
just surfing channels, really didn't see it. And that's another
reason we wanted to get the book out there, to
get it in people's hands. And then this tour came
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about kind of because we didn't feel like the publishers
did as good a job as they possibly could have
to get the book out there, so we just kind
of took in our own hands. John was kind of
referred to me by another guy he'd done a book with,
and Dennis Samurai, former tennis coach, and so we I
talked to him and kind of told him my idea
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and what I wanted to do, and so he did
most of the transcribing from the interviews and I did
the original writing, if you will, But yeah, he's got
what nine books out there now.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, there's a bunch of them. You got me interested
though in the in the TV show is that you know,
there's a such thing called YouTube and stuff now, like
you can go back and find games that you played in.
You can even find games that I played in.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I think that you have to go back for it
to find what I was playing in. But uh, yeah,
we actually because we didn't feel like he was the
show itself was getting the exposure. Yeah, we've posted that
on if you just go to YouTube and type in
from the Raptors of RUP and there's a blue basketball
that has it, and just you can pull up any
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of the interviews. Because we had we did eight seasons
of five shows a year, all one player during each
month in basketball season. And after the five years, all
the twenty some players that were still living, you know,
we ran out. Those are the only ones we could do,
so we did the next three years of players that
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man at some point get in. There are very popular
players that kind of catch people up what they're doing.
So yeah, we're real proud of the series. Even though
as I go around the state and speak to these
different groups, I always kind of begin with how many
have seen the show, and it's probably maybe ten percent.
So that's Kyle want because we put a lot of
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hard work into that show, and except for eight seasons,
it was but it was fun to do as well.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So, Kyle, when when you's gonna let Uk go in
and put somebody else into the Hall of Fame since
you've written your book, have they decided to put anybody
else into you sell a certain number or what is it?
You've still got that Carrent list of bo's up there.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
I have no input on what they do over there,
So it's you know, I guess on Monday, I guess
I should I should discourage them so that the book
stay turned we'll have to reprint again.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So uh, Cale, My last question, I know it's two
thousand in the twenty five. Are there any limitations to
what kind of payments you guys take over at three
seventy six soth Wing Drive at mccleoll's coffee shop.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Now, we'll take cash. We even have this high tech
stuff credit card thing through your phone that we can
take and yeah, so we're on top of it.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to take something. I'm going to
take something back. Anthony I said, the most impressive thing
was about Kyle and getting the interview with Louis Danpi.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I'm we're going to retract that.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
The most impressive thing was seeing Kyle take those credit
cards on his phone out of Danville speaking sitting there
working at I was thinking, that's a guy coming back
in my ear working that technology. I'm impressed. So the
Louis Damphy interview is the second most impressive thing about
the book.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
You know, I try to have somebody either from the
store where we're at or the place where location an
assistant to help so I don't have to deal with
that kind of stuff. I prefer just to sign the books,
talk to the pool as they come out, and do that.
Let somebody else handle all the numbers.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So we're gonna have to get you an intern. Don't
let her revaut food. You think he figured out hisself.
We gotta get you an intern, Kyle.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Sounds like a good idea, But with the places that
I've been to, they've all been real nice and very supportive,
and most of them have someone there to help me,
so they realize I need all the help I get
most of the states.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, Kyle, we're gonna let you get off and get
set because twelve o'clock will be here pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We appreciate you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Yeah, thanks for having Anthony. Let me ask you one question.
Give me a twenty second answer. Uh oh, the game yesterday?
The game yesterday?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Uh, twenty second answer.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Hold on, hold, since I know you connected, Since I
know you connected, you know you know where we can
find thirty seven million dollars. That's all. That's that's my
twenty seconds.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
That's it, all right, all right, that guy?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
All right, Thanks guys. Kyle.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You can find Kyle at McCloud's coffee shop as we
said at three seven six Southland Drive. Will be there
from twelve to two and bo get correct, get me
if I'm wrong. Will doctor Wong be there? Yes, he
will be there too. I'm going to give you heads up.
They are doing the Southland Street Fair on Southland Drive
this afternoon, so get started going over there, like right now,
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if you are in your car and you're interested in
meeting Kyle Macy and getting the books signed, because I
think parking might be a little limited. And they got
the Farmer's Market going on too, so you've got thirty
minutes to make plans to get on over there. I
plan on being over there too to visit with Kyle
and doctor Wong. He's awesome and should be a good
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afternoon about twelve to two. And McLeod's coffee house is awesome.
I'm over there about every other day, get a cup
of coffee, and I sit at the round table and
talk with my good friend Brewster McLeod, and we ponder
everything about life in Kentucky Athletics. It's a good environment
over there too.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Have you ever been to a coffee shop in Amsterdam?
I have not.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
I've never been to Amsterdam.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, well, if you go over there, the coffee shop
doesn't have coffee. We will be back after this. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news
radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk, presented by
the Lee Troop boardge Radio Network on six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
white Long with Larry Vault and bol Robinson. Stockyards Bank
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over to syb dot com for all your banking and
financial needs. Thanks to great Kyle Macy for joining us
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book signing of Rick McLeod's off Southland South McLeod's Coffee
Shop off Souffland Drive from the Raptors of Rupp. He
will be and so will John Wong. Doctor John Wong
will be over there as well, signing well personalized signed books.
Bar Robinson doesn't have a price for us. But I
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do know something Larry Vaught that you may not know,
did you know? Because I've heard this. I think Kyle
may have told me this a long time ago, that
that Michael, Jordan and Kyle may see almost combined for
almost one hundred points in the game, like seventy.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Something seventy two.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, they did see.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's how great Kyle was, you know what I mean,
you know what, I'm a hand of those points Michael had.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Seventy Incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But Kyle is always a good interview, So I do.
I'm gonna get me a copy keeping from fans because
the from part that I've read so far from Bole's
book that is a little older, outdated, so there's probably
been updated with some new people and some other stories.
It does kind of clear up a lot of the
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history and certain people you may know the names of
and you be like, I didn't know he did. Like
I Kyle when I first started working, I knew he
was a legend, and I knew, you know, he him
and Jack, both him and Jack Gibbons both like they
were just both really cool, humbling guys. Just loved doing
work with them, working on radio. But I didn't know
he was like like rock star legend. Like so those
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books do open up some of the eyes because if
you are youngster, whether you play basketball in the state,
played basketball at the University of Kentucky, a lot of
times people don't get to they don't take the opportunity
to go back and look at the history and see
where you came from and see why the program is
what it is or why it is respected the way
it is.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So and it seems like in my fandom of Kentucky basketball. Now,
granted I was only a year old when they won
the seventy eight championship, but it's guys like Kyle Macy
and Jack Gibvens that they've always been around Lexington and
I remember going to Kyle Macy's basketball camps when I
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was younger, and I just thought it was the coolest thing.
I was starstruck being five six years old getting my
picture taken with Kyle Macy over at Lexingon Catholic in
the early eighties. And now Kyle's been, I don't want
to say, pushed into this historian figure of Kentucky basketball,
but what he is doing telling the story of Kentucky
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basketball and opening up the doors to a new generation
like he did with me when I was going to
his camps. I think it's wonderful that he has just
stuck around and has been a great ambassador of Kentucky basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I'm with you, and I don't want anyone to
take it lightly because he him, and like I say,
he and Jack both are so extremely approachable that you
kind of take it for granted, like this guy is,
you know, a big deal, just because like you said,
they're around, they're approachable there that you have access to them,
which a lot of them you don't. And it reminds
me a little bit, I know, we got to get
to a breaker. Reminds me a little bit of when
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I met Sunday Collins the first time and when I
met Mark Higgs, and I know Sonny back in his day,
was a little bit outgoing, was out there a little bit,
but now I don't see him really talk to a
whole lot of people. He kind of keeps to hisself.
But he sat we sat and talked for a long time.
He was a fan of mine, which was and it
was the same thing with Mark Higgs, and I was like, Wow,
these are the guys that you see the history of,
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you see in the record books, and guys take time
for you. So head on over to mcleods. We'll be
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This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 2 (19:49):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Bo Robinson.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
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Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I did want to run something by you, Larry Vault,
just again to get your thoughts, because it is kind
of obvious that the people are uncomfortable, there's concerns, there's
there's unrest amongst our football fan base. But these are
two concerning things I want to point out. First, you
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said after the first couple of games that Kentucky would
have to have more than one hundred and fifty yards
if we want to win an sec will passing. The
Norris Sellers have one fifty three. Larry, you said that
we have we have to have more than one hundred
and fifty yards passing. Norrid Sellers only have one fifty
three passing and they beat us. So you don't really
have to have more than one hundred and fifty yards passing,
Larry vop.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, no, not if you get fourteen points off defensive touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Okay, I don't want to point that out. Here's go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
No, No, I'm good. That's all I just was going
to have. You had those two defais. It's a touchdown,
so changes a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I was gonna see if you were going to point
that out. I was hoping you wouldn't. But this is
something that I think is going to be is going
to paint a huge picture for me, and I want
to see how you feel about it or how do
you think the fan baseball Do you recall because I
know you were probably preoccupied. Sometimes I go back and
watch the games multiple times to see if I miss
Do you recall the portion of the game where they
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were looking at uh, they were massaging Cutter's risks and
if you didn't, yes, they were at some point they
were addressing his risks. This is what this is what
concerns me, or leads me to think. I know you
and I had a conversation earlier in the first hour
that Mark Stoops needs to take control of this situation
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if he wants to be in control of his destination,
whether it be stay here or you know, if the
if the cries get louder, to have him removed, or
whatever the case might be. And here's where I feel
this because I said this for years, when the player struggles,
we find out typically at the end of the year
that oh, they played the whole year injured or whatever,
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not saying that Cutter's not injured, not saying that he
is injured. Here's my question in this, would I think
will put Mark Stoops in an awkward position? He never
said that zach Calzada was not injured. The theory was
that zach Cazada was injured. Is why Cutter got an
opportunity to start. So at this point, if Cutter is
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hurt or is not hurt, but he only lost his
position because Zach Carzatdo was hurt, or Zach only lost
his position because he was hurt, and Zach returns back
to playing because he never lost his position. Most coaches
don't allow you to lose your position to injury. Based
off of the performance in Colombia, do you think the
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fan base would have a problem if they if they
puts Zack back in or do you think Mark Stoops
is going to speak up about who's the starring quarterback
going to be on his Monday show or do you
think he's just gonna call it a battle again, because
I think at that point it brings discomfort to the
fan base, and I think the fan base starts to
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question who's in control of the team.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, I think that's a difficult scenario.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I think Mark owes it to the team and the
fans that you play the quarterback that you think gives
you the best chance to win. But you also, if
you're thinking long term in the program, if you think
Cutters your guy, do you go ahead and stay with
him because you sell Zach. I mean, I don't know,
Zaxs one. You've got all the money invested, or a
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lot of money invested in Cutters, the guy you hope
it's going to take you forward to one yet to
learn if his cutter they gather can take you forward
or not. So I don't know. And then when you
look at the schedule they've got and unless they need
Lynn bowing back a quarterback, I don't know, because it's
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just pretty discouraging when you just look ahead after what
you saw last night and knowing that I think there's
much better teams that they've still got to play than
what South Carolina is.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I'm just concerned.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think more of my concern is that if you
say there's a quarterback battle again, then I think the
fan base kind of feels as if like we don't
know what's going on. And I've said this year, I
thought once we got Cutter Back involved, I thought the
offensive line looked a whole lot better. I do think
we took a couple if we did take a step,
if not a couple of steps back last week. But
the things I thought we had figured out looked like
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we don't have figured out. We threw in double coverage
way too many times. I thought, uh, And then like
when we couldn't I don't know if it was the
offensive coordinator or the quarterback. Once we found or felt
as if we couldn't push the ball down the field,
then we just started doing things behind the line of
scrimmage and it really got frustrated. So for to bring
up another quarterback battle means that the things you saw
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Cutter do you say you don't see being the future
or you don't see those things being fixable, And then
you know, you may feel as if Zach, you know,
Zach had the same problems, or Zach wanz aimed the
start before because he had less flaws than.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Maybe Cutter did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think that just kind of steps the fan
base back into that I'm done. I'm done with this
football experiment. Let's move on to basketball, and I won't
go to another game, which leads to the other scenario
that I brought up before. If we start losing revenue
based off of, you know, the decision making or the
product put on the field, do we uh, is that
sustainable for another four or five years, which that is
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going to be a tough pill to swallow. That's going
to be a tough conversation to have.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, it is, because because Mark's done a lot of
really good things for the Kentucky football program. But you
can't live in the past. You have to live in
the future. And I think a lot of people felt
that ticket sales would be down this year after Kentucky
went four and eighth, And while they were down slightly,
they weren't down significantly.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But if you go three.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And nine, four and eight again, I've got to and
you don't make and you have the same coaching staff
coming back, that I think you will see a big
dip in ticket sales.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Now you may see.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
A lot of empty seats toward the end of this
season at some games if things don't get better, but
the revenue is already in as tickets already paid for,
but still empty seats factor in a lot and what
could happen. We saw that with previous coach at Kentucky.
So the next few weeks are going to be I
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don't want to say interesting or what the exact word
is going to be. Maybe enlightening is what it's going
to be, because I just don't know if the thing,
if the issues they seem to have on offense, if
you can pick some or not, Anthony, I mean, you
would know better than me. But when you just get
equipped that bad up in the offensive line, I don't
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know if you could turn around and just fix it
in the next week or two because of the teams
that you're gonna be playing.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna get through the phone lines. But before
I get through the phone lines, Uh yeah, that's my answer,
that's my That's where my frustration came from last night
and coming in this morning, was that I thought we
had a lot of things fixed last week or the
week before that Cutter was going to be the guy.
The offensive line looked like it, you know, at least
had a similance of an offensive line that you know,
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things that got fixed. But once we got into live
bullets on the what you call it in the SEC matchup,
and it didn't. I don't even know if it mattered
if we were on the road or not. It just
seemed like everything was so fast. Everything happened, we were
out of sink, we went downfield again. We went downfield
a lot of times, but even when we went downfield,
it was like in double and triple coverage, which was
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that thought out was a bad read. And then you
go back and look at some of them and there
was nobody at all open. So it goes back to
your scenario that no one, no one is getting open.
So I'm not certain if it matters who you put
on quarter who a quarterback or not. So the things
I thought we had fixed out going to Columbia, we
didn't have fixed up. We didn't have fixed Let me
go to the phone line and see what she Wu
has to say, Good morning, what do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Hey, good morning guys, thanks for taking my call. So, yeah,
I thought, you know, another little piece to this. I
didn't think the defense tackled all that great, not at all.
It seemed like they were, you know, a lot of
a lot of of their runners, whether it be the
quarterback who led the team in rushing, we're running through
arm tackles. And I mean, you know, as a defensive player,
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if you see your quarterback running downfield, you have to
be looking at chops to get a piece of that. Anyway,
that's my take on that with Cutter Bowie. Listen, next year,
the conference shifts and you gotta play nine SEC games.
And right now, University of Kentucky is probably going to
be very low end of the SEC total pole if
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you don't develop Cutter Bowie this year and get some
get him ready to play a nine game season by
going through these hardships, ups and downs. You know, when
who are you gonna pay in the nil to come
in here and face a nine game SEC season that's
going to be better than him? I mean, you got
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the you already got the kids from Ohio. I think
the dual sport, you know, baseball football quarterback coming in
is he gonna be ready to play? I think Kentucky
has to start developing a quarterback who they can count
on and somebody that they recruited instead of just because
next year it's a different ball game. I mean, everybody
in the conference right now is better than Kentucky. It
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seems like, I mean that Vanderbilt is five and oh,
you know, and you used to count on that game.
Louisville is five and oh you used to be able
to split that game. South Carolina just put it to
us last night. And you know, next week the odds
makers are going to tell you how many challenged SEC
players you have on your team. When they set that
line at about twenty, so I'll be interested to hear
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what y'all think about all that. I'll take care of.
I have a good weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Just appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
She will uh, Larry Vaught, he threw out some great points,
and do you think and it goes I think it
goes back to barn I think a lot of starting
to shift toward barn higher because here's four things I'm
gonna put together, and you tell me, if you are
sitting in the big chair what happens? She will just
point out, we're going to a nine game season. Are
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you confident going to a nine sec game season with
Mark Stoops as a head coach and Bush Hampden as
the offensive coordinator? Hold you hold you hold on your hat?
Are you also comfortable going into next year season with
those same two coaches? And you do realize that they're
doing away with the spring transfer portal, so you no
(30:42):
longer have spring well transfer window, so you know you
no longer get to keep guys around all summer, go
through spring and see if they want to transfer. So
now you got to make this decision way earlier. So
now you don't even have that opportunity to evaluate talent
where you thought we can evaluate talent or not? So
do you keep them around knowing next year you got
to evaluate talent with a lot with a lot less
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data and a lot less uh performance, uh data?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Nine game season? Uh?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Just kind of what do we with Cutter coming back?
If Cutter comes back and say we stick with Cutter,
We're going to develop Cutter. Do you bring Bush Hampden
back because they now they have continuity? They should they've
been with each other for three years? Should Would that
be a plus? Because all these things are going to
go on the decision that if you've tried everything, because
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nine game season is going to be hard to overcome,
especially when we've only won one SEC game in the
past three years going on three So taking putting all
those things in there, what does what does Barnhart? What
does Mark himself? What does any any spokesman say for
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for what? What we're looking at next year? And this
year ain't even over yet, so we can turn it
around this year, which apparently a lot of peop people
don't believe. And every time I said on the show,
I've gotten messages. But those are those are huge factors
in the going into next year and your expected level
of success lay.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, if you finish three and nine, four and eight,
two and ten, I think you've got to make a
lot of changes going into next year. So if that
scenario plays out that way, But I feel confident about
going in with the same coaching staff, No, I would not,
and I don't think anybody should at any walk of life.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
If you have two.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Disastrous years in a row, you've got to make significant changes.
And I think the transfer portal it'll be the same
for everybody, So everybody else will be facing the same decisions.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
They have to make it the same amount of time.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
They may be more respected to evaluate though, but the
other people don't seem to have that don't seem to
have that stigma of not being able to develop the
talent though.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And that's but if that's the case, I don't know
if it matters.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
If if you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Evaluate the right guys the transfer portal, or if you
can't develop the ones you got you can have seventy
five years, I don't guess.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
It would matter. If you can't do it, you can't
do it, I mean, and.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Something is wrong. I think that they had a lot
of turmoil among the coaching staff. Apparently in the off
season that led to Vents leaving. You can believe what
you want on which side what went on there and
then't go on, But obviously there were issues and now
when you look at the product that got out on
the field, it's just not It just doesn't look like
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it's going to be really good from game in the
game out.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
And as you said, could.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
They chang turn it around. Yeah, but after watching last night,
it's really hard to see a scenario they won that
game last night. I think everybody's thinking, yeah, this could happen,
But right now, I think it's just hard to convince
anybody I think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, and I'm I'm done trying to convince. There's another
thing we got to go to break. But Larry, it
has me kind of scratching my head. And you brought up,
you know, the turmoil in the locker room. You know,
so I got a really good friend over and I
haven't heard anything about any of that. But just the
kind of the event's leaving it all. But the timing
of Vents leaving and the timing of the extension and
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pay raise for our offensive line coach, those are just
odd things like that was just head scrashing. Like, so,
I'm I might have to get with you off air.
You may you must know something I don't know, but
I wouldn't. I would never ask anybody that I know
close to the program that information because I think that
should stay in house. But I'm with you. I think
there obviously was something going on. We just don't know
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what it is. We will be back to close out
this edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk after this. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news
Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
the lead Troop Boards Radio Network on six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along Larry Vaught and Bo Robinson to a little housekeeping,
and I'm gonna finish this off on a good note
because Skinner's Winners was rolling this week like they always do.
I think they got a bye week. I didn't know
you got to buy a week in volleyball because they
play so many games. But Larry Vaught earlier today in
(35:16):
this show, I came in here, I had on long
sleeves in the hat. I was down to just my shorts,
took the hat off, shoe everything because it was seventy
six degrees in here. I made a comment on the air.
Next thing you know, I see an unidentified young man
walking through the building, and you know, nobody's ever in
(35:36):
this building, so it kind of startled me, and he
looked at me. I looked at him like, what are
you doing here? So what are you doing here? Host
radio show? I'm gonna break what are you doing? I
came to fix the air. Wow, that was quick. So
I don't know what you did bow or if the
airwaves are just that's strong to get That guy was
here in like ten minutes, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Yeah, he's one of our engineers here at iHeart so
he probably was listening to you. He ain't through the call.
I never called him or anything.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
And I see him throughout the week when I come
in late afternoon. So kudos to him for coming in
and helping us out because it was it's cool in
my studio. But all these studios are connected somehow to
the Aaron ventilation system separately somehow, and it's cool in
my studio. I invited you to come over here with me,
but you said you were going to sweat it out
(36:27):
over there, and you did, especially with the callers. And
then in the other studio that I work at, it
was pretty warm in there too. But I think we're
good now. We're definitely good now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think we're down in the mid sixties and the
lower sixties. I think we're down there.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
So in January, we'll be talking about how hot it
is and we'll have to call him back.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
See, Larry, we got to fix you want to give
some fixes. Just mentioned it on the show.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Yeah, So our thanks to him for coming in this
morning to do that.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Thank you. I didn't catch your name, but thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's only that you a offense was as easy to fix.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You know what, I might come out of retirement and
I'll do it for I'll do it for half of
the money. I'll do it for six hundred thousand. I'm
gonna get I'm gonna guarantee you three yards per play,
Larry vaugh.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Get you and Tony Franklin in there working.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I would work for Tony Franklin. I would work
for Tony Franklin, and I would work for a washed Stewart.
If they ever got head coaching kids and they wanted
me to come be a part of their staff, I
would do it because I trust them enough, and I
think they trust me enough to have their back. You
know who else I trust? Larry Vaughk, Craig Skinner. I
watched the South Carolina game. I didn't get to watch
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the Georgia game. But when you go when it looks
like three, I think we mainly watched Georgia, right twenty
five thirteen, twenty five thirteen, twenty five twelve, something like
that or was that?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I think that was the life sit Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, so we're good coming out of U were better.
Were better than football team coming out of bie weeks
on our volleyball team, right, Craig ain't gonna let up?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Is he.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Team doesn't ever let up. They don't ever let up.
They were have a little bit more South Caroline. I
feel a little bit more of a battle one. I
thought they might be still as all said and done,
they swept both of them. They'll go to I think
they'll go to Ole Miss Friday. After you get a
few days out, then they have another five days out
before they play at Texas. A and m I don't
think they're home again all the way until like October
(38:23):
the fifteenth, so they're gone for most of the month.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Here, you are right, we're not home too, so we
won't get to see them play, and I don't like that.
But I can watch them on TV because most of
them going to be an SEC network or ESPN, so
you can watch them. Thanks to Jack Pilgrim. Thanks to
Kyle Masie for join us head on over Done the
Softening Drive to McCloud's coffee shop. Get your book autograph
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by Kyle. Thanks Larry Vaught. As always, thanks to Boy
Robinson for making me feel good with the music he played.
I'm Anthony White and this has been Stockyards Bank Sunday
when the Sports Talk a news radio six thirty WLAP
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk presented by
the lead Troop Barge Radio Network on six point thirty
w LAP.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along with Larry Vaught and Boa Robinson coming to
you from Clark's Main Street Market Studios in downtown Lexington, Kentucky.
We are trying to get a hold of Cale Mason.
We haven't gotten hold of him yet, maybe on his
way to mccleod's Coffee House at three seven six South
(00:31):
in the drive Larry Vaut for the book signing of
From the Raptors of Ruff. Have you had an opportunity
to read.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Or check out?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I have read the book, and I was at one
of Cow's book signings Little Were a week ago and
Danville when he had a really good turnout for it.
I know he had a good turnout when he was
in Somerset, so he's been going across the state. It's
really a nice book to read, full of UK basketball history,
(01:09):
and you know what I like about it?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
The best? Anthony?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And so I got older, my attention stands not always
as good as it should be. So it's written in
a way because every chapter is about a different player,
so I can you could read like two or three
chapters and if you don't read it again for a week,
you just come back to the next chapter. You don't
have to really remember what you've read before because you're
reading about a new, new player. So it's it's an
easy read that you can just read.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
When you want to.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And it goes all the way back to the forties
up to the last player to have these jersey retired,
and it has a lot of things in there that
you would I think enjoy reading. It's just a fun
read where Kyle sit down with these guys and let
them tell them about their careers.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And Larry Vaud you know what's better than reading a.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Book, let's talking to it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Talking to him well with me and mister Macy. Glad
you can join us this morning.
Speaker 7 (02:04):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's been a long time since I've been on the
air with you. Man for like the good old day
that was almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
Got to change places that.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Way, yeah, absolutely, But so from the from the rafters
of RUP got an opportunity to look at and Larry
was describing it as before We Got You on air,
very colorful. I mean, as Larry says, it's really good
read because I have I have ADHD and dyslexia, so
I could focus on the pictures. The chapters aren't very long,
(02:34):
but they're very entertaining with your thoughts and going into
being part of the book.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Well, no, I agree, And that's what I think makes
this book a little bit unusual or different than some
of the other Kentucky basketball books. The fact that the
players themselves are the one telling the stories, and you know,
it's not a third person. Their observations, what they saw
a certain game and those type of things. So just
I was real lucky, fortunate and enjoyed every minute of it,
(03:03):
sitting down with the former players that have their jerseys
retired and hanging them up, and I just ask them questions,
to sit there and talk with them and then you know,
turn it into book form. We did get on them
about before, during and after the interviews, continue to send
us pictures from maybe their family albums, so some of
the pictures a little different, maybe you haven't seen before,
(03:23):
and try to you know, make it fresh and everything.
But it's a real uh We're real proud of its quality,
coffee table style book and a little thicker and heavier
than some of the other books that are out there
right now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And how tough is it to get those older pictures?
And who do you get them from?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Because I was looking at some of Skywalker's pictures and
some of those guys I don't I don't like looking
at my older pictures when I was younger. So who
do you who do you go through that's actually going
to send them to you?
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Well, we go to the players themselves, or your wife
or maybe their parents even sometimes you know, just to
and we returned all the pictures too. Then when we
when we've said, yep, it makes the book better if
you can get more and more pictures like that and
some because you know, there are some candidate shots that
everybody that's a Kentucky fan of seen of some of
(04:09):
the players, so we tried to go beyond that and
get some of the family album pictures and maybe they
haven't seen. But yeah, we're real pleased with it. And
like Larry I think it said, I've been traveling the
state and I just got back last night from Paducah.
Was down there at Hopkinsville, Murray, Somerset, Danville, London and around.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
So yeah, okay, around Kyle.
Speaker 8 (04:32):
Going back to the pictures, which I love. I think
it's fantastic and kind of piggyback on what Larry and
Anthony said that it's an easy read and you mentioned
that it was by design too. I think it's a great,
great coffee table book as you intended it. But with
the pictures, did you and doctor John have much input
(04:52):
on the layout and how that was all designed, because
it's awesome the way it's just been put together.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean we were very hands on. And with
each chapter of each player, you'll find that I wrote
an introduction kind of just a anthony. You know that
like being a former player, when you talk to other players,
you have that common bond of things you've been through
similar or the heartaches or the celebrations, whatever, and so
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there's there's that bond, and so it wasn't really hard
to get the players to sit down and do the interviews,
and so that was great. But then, you know, so
I wrote something relating myself to those players some we
did have in common if I knew him beforehand, a
story about our relationship and those type of things, So
that kind of introduces each player in each chapter. Then so, yeah,
(05:44):
is there stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Is there stuff in there that uh, well not in there?
Is there stuff in these interviews that came up to,
Oh no, we can't put that in? Or are you got
pretty liberal about everything that you guys gonna add?
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Well the thing you found. You know, when I'd asked
good player to do the interview, they said, well, how
long are you saying to take? And I said, that's
completely up to you. You know, as long as you
want to talk, we'll we'll record it. And so you know,
most players, they're their favorite players, so they'll talk a
lot about it. So most of them ended up being
(06:18):
an hour and forty five to two hours just sitting
there talking back and forth. So which was a blast.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
For me during the interview process. I'm sorry, Larry, go.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Ahead just say, Kyle, I'm still an eight. I went
back and read it again that you've got Louis damp here.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
To sit and talk to you. I mean, I see
the longest interview Louis don.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
He's not known for talking a lot, but no, Louis
is a great guy, and I was real pleased he
did agree to it because I wasn't sure, uh, you know,
if he wanted to do that, but he he did,
if he had some good stories back to his old
cheerleading days.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
That was well done, my friends.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Thank you, thank you. You know, if anybody here locally
wants to come out and get a copy, We'll be
at the Mcloud's coffee shop over in South and Drive
today after church from twelve to two. So come on over.
I'll be there signing books if you'd like personalizing it,
and yeah, get your copy.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Well did you have I did during the interview process
with the former players, these great Kentucky basketball legends. I'm
sure you were a little apprehensive of what you may
get what you may not get from the players. But
did it seem a little bit easier during that process
when they opened up a little bit more. Did you
kind of notice that moment through the interviews?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
You know, it's interesting most of the players, again, because
of that common bond, they came in pretty open and
I think they knew I wasn't going to try to
dig up dirt and you know, make a scandalous book.
And the thing I think readers find when they finished
the book. After reading about each individual play or you
(08:01):
get a better understanding of the history of Kentucky basketball
and how it got where it is today. And that's
one of the reasons that I kind of came up
with the idea of the book, and that I'm not
sure some of the younger generations they may have heard
a name, but they don't really understand the tradition and
how it got to where it is. It didn't just
happen overnight. I mean the winning over the years and
(08:21):
the coaches and those type of things are really what.
You know, you build that tradition, that foundation and then
get going on and on and on. So to give
you an example, and I don't mean to point him out,
but when I was doing the radio color back in
the early nineties, antline Walker was player of the game.
So I interviewed him after the game, and you know,
(08:42):
I knew Antonina was from Chicago. So during the break,
I said, somebody he the Bulls one tonight and he said,
oh yeah, okay, he says, you've ever been to Chicago? Well,
I played there for a year, so you know.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And did you come up with the idea?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I know, doctor Warreng because I've been doing a lot
of books now. He does great work, so I'm assuming
he's going to be there as well today. So you
came up the idea, you found him or did he
pitch you.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
I had the idea and it started. It's kind of
an offshoot of our TV show, which a lot of
people loved it, but a lot of people didn't see
it because we had it on across the state, but
it wasn't a set time, so people unless they were
just surfing channels, really didn't see it. And that's another
reason we wanted to get the book out there, to
get it in people's hands. And then this tour came
(09:31):
about kind of because we didn't feel like the publishers
did as good a job as they possibly could have
to get the book out there, so we just kind
of took in our own hands. John was kind of
referred to me by another guy he'd done a book with,
and Dennis Samurai, former tennis coach, and so we I
talked to him and kind of told him my idea
(09:51):
and what I wanted to do, and so he did
most of the transcribing from the interviews and I did
the original writing, if you will, But yeah, he's got
what nine books out there now.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, there's a bunch of them. You got me interested
though in the in the TV show is that you know,
there's a such thing called YouTube and stuff now, like
you can go back and find games that you played in.
You can even find games that I played in.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
I think that you have to go back for it
to find what I was playing in. But uh, yeah,
we actually because we didn't feel like he was the
show itself was getting the exposure. Yeah, we've posted that
on if you just go to YouTube and type in
from the Raptors of RUP and there's a blue basketball
that has it, and just you can pull up any
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of the interviews. Because we had we did eight seasons
of five shows a year, all one player during each
month in basketball season. And after the five years, all
the twenty some players that were still living, you know,
we ran out. Those are the only ones we could do,
so we did the next three years of players that
(11:01):
man at some point get in. There are very popular
players that kind of catch people up what they're doing.
So yeah, we're real proud of the series. Even though
as I go around the state and speak to these
different groups, I always kind of begin with how many
have seen the show, and it's probably maybe ten percent.
So that's Kyle want because we put a lot of
(11:23):
hard work into that show, and except for eight seasons,
it was but it was fun to do as well.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
So, Kyle, when when you's gonna let Uk go in
and put somebody else into the Hall of Fame since
you've written your book, have they decided to put anybody
else into you sell a certain number or what is it?
You've still got that Carrent list of bo's up there.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
I have no input on what they do over there,
So it's you know, I guess on Monday, I guess
I should I should discourage them so that the book
stay turned we'll have to reprint again.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So uh, Cale, My last question, I know it's two
thousand in the twenty five. Are there any limitations to
what kind of payments you guys take over at three
seventy six soth Wing Drive at mccleoll's coffee shop.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Now, we'll take cash. We even have this high tech
stuff credit card thing through your phone that we can
take and yeah, so we're on top of it.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to take something. I'm going to
take something back. Anthony I said, the most impressive thing
was about Kyle and getting the interview with Louis Danpi.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I'm we're going to retract that.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
The most impressive thing was seeing Kyle take those credit
cards on his phone out of Danville speaking sitting there
working at I was thinking, that's a guy coming back
in my ear working that technology. I'm impressed. So the
Louis Damphy interview is the second most impressive thing about
the book.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
You know, I try to have somebody either from the
store where we're at or the place where location an
assistant to help so I don't have to deal with
that kind of stuff. I prefer just to sign the books,
talk to the pool as they come out, and do that.
Let somebody else handle all the numbers.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So we're gonna have to get you an intern. Don't
let her revaut food. You think he figured out hisself.
We gotta get you an intern, Kyle.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Sounds like a good idea, But with the places that
I've been to, they've all been real nice and very supportive,
and most of them have someone there to help me,
so they realize I need all the help I get
most of the states.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, Kyle, we're gonna let you get off and get
set because twelve o'clock will be here pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We appreciate you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
Yeah, thanks for having Anthony. Let me ask you one question.
Give me a twenty second answer. Uh oh, the game yesterday?
The game yesterday?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Uh, twenty second answer.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Hold on, hold, since I know you connected, Since I
know you connected, you know you know where we can
find thirty seven million dollars. That's all. That's that's my
twenty seconds.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
That's it, all right, all right, that guy?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
All right, Thanks guys. Kyle.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You can find Kyle at McCloud's coffee shop as we
said at three seven six Southland Drive. Will be there
from twelve to two and bo get correct, get me
if I'm wrong. Will doctor Wong be there? Yes, he
will be there too. I'm going to give you heads up.
They are doing the Southland Street Fair on Southland Drive
this afternoon, so get started going over there, like right now,
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if you are in your car and you're interested in
meeting Kyle Macy and getting the books signed, because I
think parking might be a little limited. And they got
the Farmer's Market going on too, so you've got thirty
minutes to make plans to get on over there. I
plan on being over there too to visit with Kyle
and doctor Wong. He's awesome and should be a good
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afternoon about twelve to two. And McLeod's coffee house is awesome.
I'm over there about every other day, get a cup
of coffee, and I sit at the round table and
talk with my good friend Brewster McLeod, and we ponder
everything about life in Kentucky Athletics. It's a good environment
over there too.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Have you ever been to a coffee shop in Amsterdam?
I have not.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
I've never been to Amsterdam.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Okay, well, if you go over there, the coffee shop
doesn't have coffee. We will be back after this. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news
radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Mornings Sports Talk, presented by
the Lee Troop boardge Radio Network on six thirty w LAP.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
white Long with Larry Vault and bol Robinson. Stockyards Bank
is your trusted partner since nineteen oh four. Head on
over to syb dot com for all your banking and
financial needs. Thanks to great Kyle Macy for joining us
(15:51):
book signing of Rick McLeod's off Southland South McLeod's Coffee
Shop off Souffland Drive from the Raptors of Rupp. He
will be and so will John Wong. Doctor John Wong
will be over there as well, signing well personalized signed books.
Bar Robinson doesn't have a price for us. But I
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do know something Larry Vaught that you may not know,
did you know? Because I've heard this. I think Kyle
may have told me this a long time ago, that
that Michael, Jordan and Kyle may see almost combined for
almost one hundred points in the game, like seventy.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Something seventy two.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, they did see.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
That's how great Kyle was, you know what I mean,
you know what, I'm a hand of those points Michael had.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Seventy Incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But Kyle is always a good interview, So I do.
I'm gonna get me a copy keeping from fans because
the from part that I've read so far from Bole's
book that is a little older, outdated, so there's probably
been updated with some new people and some other stories.
It does kind of clear up a lot of the
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history and certain people you may know the names of
and you be like, I didn't know he did. Like
I Kyle when I first started working, I knew he
was a legend, and I knew, you know, he him
and Jack, both him and Jack Gibbons both like they
were just both really cool, humbling guys. Just loved doing
work with them, working on radio. But I didn't know
he was like like rock star legend. Like so those
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books do open up some of the eyes because if
you are youngster, whether you play basketball in the state,
played basketball at the University of Kentucky, a lot of
times people don't get to they don't take the opportunity
to go back and look at the history and see
where you came from and see why the program is
what it is or why it is respected the way
it is.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So and it seems like in my fandom of Kentucky basketball. Now,
granted I was only a year old when they won
the seventy eight championship, but it's guys like Kyle Macy
and Jack Gibvens that they've always been around Lexington and
I remember going to Kyle Macy's basketball camps when I
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was younger, and I just thought it was the coolest thing.
I was starstruck being five six years old getting my
picture taken with Kyle Macy over at Lexingon Catholic in
the early eighties. And now Kyle's been, I don't want
to say, pushed into this historian figure of Kentucky basketball,
but what he is doing telling the story of Kentucky
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basketball and opening up the doors to a new generation
like he did with me when I was going to
his camps. I think it's wonderful that he has just
stuck around and has been a great ambassador of Kentucky basketball.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I'm with you, and I don't want anyone to
take it lightly because he him, and like I say,
he and Jack both are so extremely approachable that you
kind of take it for granted, like this guy is,
you know, a big deal, just because like you said,
they're around, they're approachable there that you have access to them,
which a lot of them you don't. And it reminds
me a little bit, I know, we got to get
to a breaker. Reminds me a little bit of when
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I met Sunday Collins the first time and when I
met Mark Higgs, and I know Sonny back in his day,
was a little bit outgoing, was out there a little bit,
but now I don't see him really talk to a
whole lot of people. He kind of keeps to hisself.
But he sat we sat and talked for a long time.
He was a fan of mine, which was and it
was the same thing with Mark Higgs, and I was like, Wow,
these are the guys that you see the history of,
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you see in the record books, and guys take time
for you. So head on over to mcleods. We'll be
back after this. You're listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning
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Speaker 2 (19:49):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
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Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I did want to run something by you, Larry Vault,
just again to get your thoughts, because it is kind
of obvious that the people are uncomfortable, there's concerns, there's
there's unrest amongst our football fan base. But these are
two concerning things I want to point out. First, you
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said after the first couple of games that Kentucky would
have to have more than one hundred and fifty yards
if we want to win an sec will passing. The
Norris Sellers have one fifty three. Larry, you said that
we have we have to have more than one hundred
and fifty yards passing. Norrid Sellers only have one fifty
three passing and they beat us. So you don't really
have to have more than one hundred and fifty yards passing,
Larry vop.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, no, not if you get fourteen points off defensive touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Okay, I don't want to point that out. Here's go ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
No, No, I'm good. That's all I just was going
to have. You had those two defais. It's a touchdown,
so changes a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I was gonna see if you were going to point
that out. I was hoping you wouldn't. But this is
something that I think is going to be is going
to paint a huge picture for me, and I want
to see how you feel about it or how do
you think the fan baseball Do you recall because I
know you were probably preoccupied. Sometimes I go back and
watch the games multiple times to see if I miss
Do you recall the portion of the game where they
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were looking at uh, they were massaging Cutter's risks and
if you didn't, yes, they were at some point they
were addressing his risks. This is what this is what
concerns me, or leads me to think. I know you
and I had a conversation earlier in the first hour
that Mark Stoops needs to take control of this situation
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if he wants to be in control of his destination,
whether it be stay here or you know, if the
if the cries get louder, to have him removed, or
whatever the case might be. And here's where I feel
this because I said this for years, when the player struggles,
we find out typically at the end of the year
that oh, they played the whole year injured or whatever,
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not saying that Cutter's not injured, not saying that he
is injured. Here's my question in this, would I think
will put Mark Stoops in an awkward position? He never
said that zach Calzada was not injured. The theory was
that zach Cazada was injured. Is why Cutter got an
opportunity to start. So at this point, if Cutter is
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hurt or is not hurt, but he only lost his
position because Zach Carzatdo was hurt, or Zach only lost
his position because he was hurt, and Zach returns back
to playing because he never lost his position. Most coaches
don't allow you to lose your position to injury. Based
off of the performance in Colombia, do you think the
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fan base would have a problem if they if they
puts Zack back in or do you think Mark Stoops
is going to speak up about who's the starring quarterback
going to be on his Monday show or do you
think he's just gonna call it a battle again, because
I think at that point it brings discomfort to the
fan base, and I think the fan base starts to
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question who's in control of the team.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, I think that's a difficult scenario.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I think Mark owes it to the team and the
fans that you play the quarterback that you think gives
you the best chance to win. But you also, if
you're thinking long term in the program, if you think
Cutters your guy, do you go ahead and stay with
him because you sell Zach. I mean, I don't know,
Zaxs one. You've got all the money invested, or a
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lot of money invested in Cutters, the guy you hope
it's going to take you forward to one yet to
learn if his cutter they gather can take you forward
or not. So I don't know. And then when you
look at the schedule they've got and unless they need
Lynn bowing back a quarterback, I don't know, because it's
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just pretty discouraging when you just look ahead after what
you saw last night and knowing that I think there's
much better teams that they've still got to play than
what South Carolina is.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I'm just concerned.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think more of my concern is that if you
say there's a quarterback battle again, then I think the
fan base kind of feels as if like we don't
know what's going on. And I've said this year, I
thought once we got Cutter Back involved, I thought the
offensive line looked a whole lot better. I do think
we took a couple if we did take a step,
if not a couple of steps back last week. But
the things I thought we had figured out looked like
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we don't have figured out. We threw in double coverage
way too many times. I thought, uh, And then like
when we couldn't I don't know if it was the
offensive coordinator or the quarterback. Once we found or felt
as if we couldn't push the ball down the field,
then we just started doing things behind the line of
scrimmage and it really got frustrated. So for to bring
up another quarterback battle means that the things you saw
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Cutter do you say you don't see being the future
or you don't see those things being fixable, And then
you know, you may feel as if Zach, you know,
Zach had the same problems, or Zach wanz aimed the
start before because he had less flaws than.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Maybe Cutter did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I think that just kind of steps the fan
base back into that I'm done. I'm done with this
football experiment. Let's move on to basketball, and I won't
go to another game, which leads to the other scenario
that I brought up before. If we start losing revenue
based off of, you know, the decision making or the
product put on the field, do we uh, is that
sustainable for another four or five years, which that is
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going to be a tough pill to swallow. That's going
to be a tough conversation to have.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, it is, because because Mark's done a lot of
really good things for the Kentucky football program. But you
can't live in the past. You have to live in
the future. And I think a lot of people felt
that ticket sales would be down this year after Kentucky
went four and eighth, And while they were down slightly,
they weren't down significantly.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
But if you go three.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
And nine, four and eight again, I've got to and
you don't make and you have the same coaching staff
coming back, that I think you will see a big
dip in ticket sales.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Now you may see.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
A lot of empty seats toward the end of this
season at some games if things don't get better, but
the revenue is already in as tickets already paid for,
but still empty seats factor in a lot and what
could happen. We saw that with previous coach at Kentucky.
So the next few weeks are going to be I
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don't want to say interesting or what the exact word
is going to be. Maybe enlightening is what it's going
to be, because I just don't know if the thing,
if the issues they seem to have on offense, if
you can pick some or not, Anthony, I mean, you
would know better than me. But when you just get
equipped that bad up in the offensive line, I don't
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know if you could turn around and just fix it
in the next week or two because of the teams
that you're gonna be playing.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna get through the phone lines. But before
I get through the phone lines, Uh yeah, that's my answer,
that's my That's where my frustration came from last night
and coming in this morning, was that I thought we
had a lot of things fixed last week or the
week before that Cutter was going to be the guy.
The offensive line looked like it, you know, at least
had a similance of an offensive line that you know,
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things that got fixed. But once we got into live
bullets on the what you call it in the SEC matchup,
and it didn't. I don't even know if it mattered
if we were on the road or not. It just
seemed like everything was so fast. Everything happened, we were
out of sink, we went downfield again. We went downfield
a lot of times, but even when we went downfield,
it was like in double and triple coverage, which was
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that thought out was a bad read. And then you
go back and look at some of them and there
was nobody at all open. So it goes back to
your scenario that no one, no one is getting open.
So I'm not certain if it matters who you put
on quarter who a quarterback or not. So the things
I thought we had fixed out going to Columbia, we
didn't have fixed up. We didn't have fixed Let me
go to the phone line and see what she Wu
has to say, Good morning, what do you got for us?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Hey, good morning guys, thanks for taking my call. So, yeah,
I thought, you know, another little piece to this. I
didn't think the defense tackled all that great, not at all.
It seemed like they were, you know, a lot of
a lot of of their runners, whether it be the
quarterback who led the team in rushing, we're running through
arm tackles. And I mean, you know, as a defensive player,
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if you see your quarterback running downfield, you have to
be looking at chops to get a piece of that. Anyway,
that's my take on that with Cutter Bowie. Listen, next year,
the conference shifts and you gotta play nine SEC games.
And right now, University of Kentucky is probably going to
be very low end of the SEC total pole if
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you don't develop Cutter Bowie this year and get some
get him ready to play a nine game season by
going through these hardships, ups and downs. You know, when
who are you gonna pay in the nil to come
in here and face a nine game SEC season that's
going to be better than him? I mean, you got
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the you already got the kids from Ohio. I think
the dual sport, you know, baseball football quarterback coming in
is he gonna be ready to play? I think Kentucky
has to start developing a quarterback who they can count
on and somebody that they recruited instead of just because
next year it's a different ball game. I mean, everybody
in the conference right now is better than Kentucky. It
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seems like, I mean that Vanderbilt is five and oh,
you know, and you used to count on that game.
Louisville is five and oh you used to be able
to split that game. South Carolina just put it to
us last night. And you know, next week the odds
makers are going to tell you how many challenged SEC
players you have on your team. When they set that
line at about twenty, so I'll be interested to hear
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what y'all think about all that. I'll take care of.
I have a good weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Just appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
She will uh, Larry Vaught, he threw out some great points,
and do you think and it goes I think it
goes back to barn I think a lot of starting
to shift toward barn higher because here's four things I'm
gonna put together, and you tell me, if you are
sitting in the big chair what happens? She will just
point out, we're going to a nine game season. Are
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you confident going to a nine sec game season with
Mark Stoops as a head coach and Bush Hampden as
the offensive coordinator? Hold you hold you hold on your hat?
Are you also comfortable going into next year season with
those same two coaches? And you do realize that they're
doing away with the spring transfer portal, so you no
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longer have spring well transfer window, so you know you
no longer get to keep guys around all summer, go
through spring and see if they want to transfer. So
now you got to make this decision way earlier. So
now you don't even have that opportunity to evaluate talent
where you thought we can evaluate talent or not? So
do you keep them around knowing next year you got
to evaluate talent with a lot with a lot less
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data and a lot less uh performance, uh data?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Nine game season? Uh?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Just kind of what do we with Cutter coming back?
If Cutter comes back and say we stick with Cutter,
We're going to develop Cutter. Do you bring Bush Hampden
back because they now they have continuity? They should they've
been with each other for three years? Should Would that
be a plus? Because all these things are going to
go on the decision that if you've tried everything, because
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nine game season is going to be hard to overcome,
especially when we've only won one SEC game in the
past three years going on three So taking putting all
those things in there, what does what does Barnhart? What
does Mark himself? What does any any spokesman say for
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for what? What we're looking at next year? And this
year ain't even over yet, so we can turn it
around this year, which apparently a lot of peop people
don't believe. And every time I said on the show,
I've gotten messages. But those are those are huge factors
in the going into next year and your expected level
of success lay.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Well, if you finish three and nine, four and eight,
two and ten, I think you've got to make a
lot of changes going into next year. So if that
scenario plays out that way, But I feel confident about
going in with the same coaching staff, No, I would not,
and I don't think anybody should at any walk of life.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
If you have two.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Disastrous years in a row, you've got to make significant changes.
And I think the transfer portal it'll be the same
for everybody, So everybody else will be facing the same decisions.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
They have to make it the same amount of time.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
They may be more respected to evaluate though, but the
other people don't seem to have that don't seem to
have that stigma of not being able to develop the
talent though.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And that's but if that's the case, I don't know
if it matters.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
If if you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Evaluate the right guys the transfer portal, or if you
can't develop the ones you got you can have seventy
five years, I don't guess.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
It would matter. If you can't do it, you can't
do it, I mean, and.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Something is wrong. I think that they had a lot
of turmoil among the coaching staff. Apparently in the off
season that led to Vents leaving. You can believe what
you want on which side what went on there and
then't go on, But obviously there were issues and now
when you look at the product that got out on
the field, it's just not It just doesn't look like
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it's going to be really good from game in the
game out.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
And as you said, could.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
They chang turn it around. Yeah, but after watching last night,
it's really hard to see a scenario they won that
game last night. I think everybody's thinking, yeah, this could happen,
But right now, I think it's just hard to convince
anybody I think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, and I'm I'm done trying to convince. There's another
thing we got to go to break. But Larry, it
has me kind of scratching my head. And you brought up,
you know, the turmoil in the locker room. You know,
so I got a really good friend over and I
haven't heard anything about any of that. But just the
kind of the event's leaving it all. But the timing
of Vents leaving and the timing of the extension and
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pay raise for our offensive line coach, those are just
odd things like that was just head scrashing. Like, so,
I'm I might have to get with you off air.
You may you must know something I don't know, but
I wouldn't. I would never ask anybody that I know
close to the program that information because I think that
should stay in house. But I'm with you. I think
there obviously was something going on. We just don't know
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what it is. We will be back to close out
this edition of Sunday Morning Sports Talk after this. You're
listening to Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk on news
Radio six thirty WLAP.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
This is Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk, presented by
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
Welcome back Stockyards Bank Sunday Morning Sports Talk. I'm Anthony
White along Larry Vaught and Bo Robinson to a little housekeeping,
and I'm gonna finish this off on a good note
because Skinner's Winners was rolling this week like they always do.
I think they got a bye week. I didn't know
you got to buy a week in volleyball because they
play so many games. But Larry Vaught earlier today in
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this show, I came in here, I had on long
sleeves in the hat. I was down to just my shorts,
took the hat off, shoe everything because it was seventy
six degrees in here. I made a comment on the air.
Next thing you know, I see an unidentified young man
walking through the building, and you know, nobody's ever in
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this building, so it kind of startled me, and he
looked at me. I looked at him like, what are
you doing here? So what are you doing here? Host
radio show? I'm gonna break what are you doing? I
came to fix the air. Wow, that was quick. So
I don't know what you did bow or if the
airwaves are just that's strong to get That guy was
here in like ten minutes, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Yeah, he's one of our engineers here at iHeart so
he probably was listening to you. He ain't through the call.
I never called him or anything.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Oh wow.
Speaker 8 (36:06):
And I see him throughout the week when I come
in late afternoon. So kudos to him for coming in
and helping us out because it was it's cool in
my studio. But all these studios are connected somehow to
the Aaron ventilation system separately somehow, and it's cool in
my studio. I invited you to come over here with me,
but you said you were going to sweat it out
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over there, and you did, especially with the callers. And
then in the other studio that I work at, it
was pretty warm in there too. But I think we're
good now. We're definitely good now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think we're down in the mid sixties and the
lower sixties. I think we're down there.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
So in January, we'll be talking about how hot it
is and we'll have to call him back.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
See, Larry, we got to fix you want to give
some fixes. Just mentioned it on the show.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Yeah, So our thanks to him for coming in this
morning to do that.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Thank you. I didn't catch your name, but thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's only that you a offense was as easy to fix.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
You know what, I might come out of retirement and
I'll do it for I'll do it for half of
the money. I'll do it for six hundred thousand. I'm
gonna get I'm gonna guarantee you three yards per play,
Larry vaugh.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
Get you and Tony Franklin in there working.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I would work for Tony Franklin. I would work
for Tony Franklin, and I would work for a washed Stewart.
If they ever got head coaching kids and they wanted
me to come be a part of their staff, I
would do it because I trust them enough, and I
think they trust me enough to have their back. You
know who else I trust? Larry Vaughk, Craig Skinner. I
watched the South Carolina game. I didn't get to watch
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the Georgia game. But when you go when it looks
like three, I think we mainly watched Georgia, right twenty
five thirteen, twenty five thirteen, twenty five twelve, something like
that or was that?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I think that was the life sit Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, so we're good coming out of U were better.
Were better than football team coming out of bie weeks
on our volleyball team, right, Craig ain't gonna let up?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Is he.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Team doesn't ever let up. They don't ever let up.
They were have a little bit more South Caroline. I
feel a little bit more of a battle one. I
thought they might be still as all said and done,
they swept both of them. They'll go to I think
they'll go to Ole Miss Friday. After you get a
few days out, then they have another five days out
before they play at Texas. A and m I don't
think they're home again all the way until like October
(38:23):
the fifteenth, so they're gone for most of the month.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Here, you are right, we're not home too, so we
won't get to see them play, and I don't like that.
But I can watch them on TV because most of
them going to be an SEC network or ESPN, so
you can watch them. Thanks to Jack Pilgrim. Thanks to
Kyle Masie for join us head on over Done the
Softening Drive to McCloud's coffee shop. Get your book autograph
(38:47):
by Kyle. Thanks Larry Vaught. As always, thanks to Boy
Robinson for making me feel good with the music he played.
I'm Anthony White and this has been Stockyards Bank Sunday
when the Sports Talk a news radio six thirty WLAP
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