Episode 405: Huffing God's Breath (Part 1 of 3)

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hi, Christina, Hey, Chelsea, how's it going. It's going? Hi
mel Hello, Hello.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah. We were just talking about I guess languages like
phrases you were.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I mean, we were saying a few words in Spanish. Yeah,
I was raising Chelsea. We were also you were rausing
yourself for using the phrase not now kitten, daddy's busy. Yeah,
because talking to your actual cat.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Talking to my actual capsa met in mixed company is
never a good idea, no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Remember, hang on, this was this involved Christina? Oh, because
this was years ago? Oh well, I remember, who's to say.
We were at the last place we lived in, so
we were on.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hasby and I know me too, and you were on
a call with people playing games and I don't remember
what was happening, but I said something and you were like,
just so you know, I'm still on the call, but
I am hanging up now.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I was like, okay, because I had said something.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
But as you were hanging up, and I didn't realize
you hadn't hung up already, because I thought you had
already hung up. I said, it's not like I said
I'm going to fuck you senseless or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
And that and then click is what I the call.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I do remember this. I was on the other side
of the call, yep, because we were playing D and
D I believe at the time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, anyway, well, cryptids and awkward conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's welcome to Colts, Cryptids and Chelsea where she's just
like this, I am just like that. She is just
like that, she just does stuff. It's again, it's the
same thing we've complained about before, where it's like I
will walk into your home and mid conversation, Chelsea's like,
I'm gonna take my shirt off, and I'm like, okay,
I warn you as you're doing. You're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
As you're doing, She's like over fifty percent done, to
be clear, Yeah, she's in process. Well over like the
mid ground, over the hump of the activity. I've never
met a woman who is so unabashedly just this is
what she's about.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I feel like if Chelsea, like Chelsea doesn't want to
be a nudist now, but I feel like if there
was a way to not wear clothes but also not
be naked.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
She would want so, like the sim style of Bubblur,
if she could just have mosaic.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, see, if I don't, I don't like, I don't
sleep naked. I don't like necessarily being naked unless it's
like I'm in the shower or something.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
But this is where you learn Chelsea's a never new
to actually and she wears shorts in the shower.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
She wears the cutoff shorts in the show.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, but I'm just not like, I'm definitely self conscious
about myself, but I'm not ashamed that I exist.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I guess I don't know how to explain that. It's
not a shame thing. We're saying that you seem to
be more comfortable and yeah, unabashed about just like whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well else, I mean, you're on a bashed about like
all the things you do in life. I don't mean
specifically about You're just like I'm doing this now and
then it's happening. There's no hesitation when you make a
decision to do something like just now.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And I was like, ooh, Steam's having a sale. I
feel like that's a different but connected situation. I guess
let's related, but is not the same. No found out
that that is a symptom of ADHD though, where you
just like lack of impulse, lack of impulse control. Oh yeah,
your brain no impulse. Good. Yeah, and you want the

(03:38):
dopamine of buying the dopamine.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
From buying a bunch of games for very little money
on Steam.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Hey, people on the internet, if you haven't seen the
new game that is the game of the week, because
it's kind of how things go sometimes, you should try
out the game called Peak. Yep, you could push your
f you could push your for Okay. It's a game
about climbing a mountain with your friends.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And it has uh, you can push your friends off
the mountain.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, no, his voice voipe. It has where you can
hear people's voice depending on your distance. Yes, what happens
is if someone is next to you, it actually slips
and falls off the mountain. They scream, but then I.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Have seen a video of this, and I have seen
a video.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
But then it gets quieter as they fall. And it's
an incredibly funny game. I didn't realize it would be
so funny, but I have a great time with it.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I thought you were going to say date everything, because
that's also good. I own that. Yes, I can finally
date Zuko kind of kind of kind.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Of did I mention on my coworker us an emo
of from avatar at work. Yeah, I was. I said,
that's rough, buddy. And then right under that was a
picture it's Zuko. Yeah, it's just like under that was
it was an EMO of him, and I was like,
that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So Slack lets you if you don't already know listeners Slack,
which is the instant messaging service for business.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Uh, it's professional discord. It's a professional discord.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
But no one where we are, no one's professional, right.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So that's the thing is, I've used Slack for several
different jobs, and this is the first one where our
emojis that have been added are unhinged.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
One of them is the old sonic from the like
the old Sonic from the movie before they changed him
to look less creepy. Yeah, the gross sonic, the gross
lad there's an EMO to that, and I was like,
oh god.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
There's also the the sketch from I Think You Should
Leave with the guy in the hot dog costume, yes,
where it's like we're all trying to find the guy
who did this, So that's an emote.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
But then also an emo is that photo?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
But then one of our coworker's faces super imposed over
it because we kept blaming him for everything very good.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
He did block me in the parking lot one time.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
See he does shit like that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
He does do shit like that. It's never malicious, but
it's just like.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
No, he's one of the sweetest men in the world.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, he's really great.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
There is a special niche of custom like emojis for
friend groups, especially on platforms like Slacker Discord, where you
can make your own memes essentially, like, for instance, in
every server I bim, I'm added an emoji of my
cat looking sad yeah, which is called the sad egg emoji. Yes,
and I use that constantly, and I'm upset on other

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platforms where I don't have access to the sad egg
emoji because I do feel like it covers a vast
range of the human back at work. No, Also, I
can't add emojis to the JPL Slack. They will not
let me put my cat in there.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yes? What if we found a way, if you listen,
if you can, if you can get in there.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Into the servers, just to put sad egg in there.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Listen, anyone can add emojis I've added if you we
have one. That's so.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I think I think we have it as the it
professional I think we make it so though employees can add.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
We also just will like.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Have We'll have like company wide meetings and they're all
on like zoom, well google me technically, but and there
was one meeting where, for some reason, one of the
videos was uh, it wasn't It was like an accident
that someone's video was on and it was just centered
on this ditto plushy in a chair.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, like.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Someone just took the ditto plushy and now that's a
slack emoji.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's that happens. That's it's the culture of the group chat,
regardless of the nature of the group chat. The culture
is to create meme. That is the human experiences to
create me is.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's just I'm blessed to be at a company where
I can make whatever fucking meme I want and everyone's
just like chill. There is a thirty minute video on
our website right now of peak. It's literally just thirty
minutes of one of my coworkers bullying the other one.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
We love to see it, Yes, we love to see it.
Don't steal my job. This is cultscript, it's conspiracies, but
it's my job. Tell you you always try to muscle
in on my turf mouth.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
When I'm awake. It's about my fault.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
This podcast we discuss things that are like could scriptis
or conspiracies, things are that are the occult or weird
or magical or mysterious or strange or funny, are depressing ghosts?
Just period.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I was just adding to you, I'm trying to muscle
into your territory.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Fight me about it. I think she would win. I'm
putting my money on Christian.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I know I know she'd win too, But for my
honor and my pride, I.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Have to fight.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
There is another podcast that I listened to which I
mentioned in this podcast before Let's Learn Everything, and they
have a running joke where they have three hosts and
there's a running joke that it's like, why does Ella,
the strongest host not just eat the others? And I
do wonder at times where it's like who do the

(08:51):
listeners think of us? Is like why does Blank not
consume the other? I feel like it's you, possibly, Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know what the people think.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I mean because you also have disassociated quite a few
times on this podcast when Mal and I get into it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
True, but that leaves me vulnerable. That's true.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I did my moment of weakness, I do feel so
we do it on purpose to catch up of guard.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Do you guys tag teamed with that strategy, it would
probably be effective.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
The problem is that if we tried that strategy, we
would just get caught arguing with each of you would.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Get caught in the real bicker. The fake bicker would
become a real bicker. Yeah, we just loved bicker you do.
It's not even anything serious.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's so serious. It's just so creak trying to say
I was gonna say, I do appreciate that. Likely a
lot of our longtime listeners know us, you know, tangentially
pseudo pseudo socially enough to know like certain things about us,
because like we talk about our personal lives too, sure,
and we're just we're just three pals just hanging our hair. Yeah,

(09:49):
this isn't necessarily like a fake Internet persona. I'm just
sitting out a love sack talking to my friends.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I do want to say.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Someone in the discord posted a video of someone being
attacked by a seagull and was like and tagged me
in it. Nice, But the video that they posted that
is the prettiest seagull I've ever seen in my life.
All of the seagulls in California look like they are
like grizzled war veterans.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
This one looked like a model that seagulls never seen
the war, like like legit though.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
In when I was going to school at San Francisco State,
there was this one seagull with like its eye missing
that would just follow you around campus and knew it
was good. It would find someone to have a grudge
over and it would attack you until you gave whatever
food you had in your hand.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
That sounds like a seagull when I was going to school.
My very brief memories of going to school in like
growing up in San Diego, because I went to high
school as well, but we didn't really have seagulls at the
high school. They'd hang out my elementary school that was
closer to the water, and we did have seagulls there constantly,
especially because our cafeteria was outside. So we're seeing and

(10:51):
watching a woman's scream at a seagull. She's making seagull
noises back. Okay, the seagulls are preaching. It is swooping
you don't get a good look at it. This does
look like a fake seagul. Yeah, this looks like a
Pixar animated seagul.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah. Wow, I told you guys the story about that
guy who caught a seagull when I was a child, right, Yes,
you have Okay, cool, because that's that lives in my brain.
Will never leave. I'll probably be on my deathbed thinking
about that seagull. Anyway. When we're done talking about that,
we talk about other things. I it's my topic today,
and it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a

(11:32):
longer one. Is it gonna be one or two episodes?
It's gonna be at least two episodes.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Okay, cool, because both of us have things to do
the next couple of weekends.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So that my issue is I don't know that I can.
I'm not ready to record both today, unfortunately. Because I
found a nugget of information, I think that's great for
me for Sleepy mail for Sleepy Yeah. Yes, So the
figure out when we're going to record the rest of
this topic and also parlor. Yeah yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
What we'll die someday. We'll figure it out, all right, Today,
a solution to the problem. No, I don't mean death
is not the answer. I'm just saying life goes on.
We'll figure it out, We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Okay, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
You can say life goes on in a happier tone
other than we'll all die someday.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Listen, death is the finish line.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Okay, uh huh? And how is that relevant?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
You're just saying that regardless of how we spend our time,
the goalposts are the same.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, I don't know if I can die. You
don't know if I can die.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No proof I could be immortal.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
You have no proof.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I guess yet, I guess no proof By that logic.
I feel like so many decisions have been made in
life by foolish people.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, but if we got nothing else, shall we
move on to my topic. Let's I can't think of
anything else to talk about. All right, Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it, everybody. We're never going to go on
to my topic the beginning of it, but first, let's
have a brief word from our sponsors. So sleepy, wake up, Samurai.

(13:15):
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Speaker 2 (13:16):
Don't remember what I don't know something about makeup.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Earlier, I had mentioned no such thing as a fish.
I'm gonna sure no. I'd mentioned let's earn everything. There's
another podcast I listened to called no such thing as
a fish, different group of people. Of them, I do
think that Anna would consume the other hosts. I think
that Anna Schizin's key is the is the strongest host

(13:40):
and would consume the others on no such thing as
a fish. That is my personal opinion. I want to
shout them out for giving me the idea for this
topic because they mentioned it. It's like a fun facts podcast,
and they brought it up on their show, but in
a very similar way. It took me back to the
very first episode where I was talking about the the
floating nun, the levitating nun who could like trans project

(14:03):
yourself across the Atlantic Ocean. Deep Cut Deep cut to
the first episode of this podcast, and I had said
that I got the idea to talk about it from
the podcast Lore, which mentioned it but went into such
little detail that I was like, but I need more
from you. I need more from you. No such thing
is sufficient. It is some more thing. Where they mentioned this,

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and they went into some detail, but they did not
give me enough, and thus I am here to tell
you more information about.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
It, because this podcast has nothing but just our hyperfixation.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Correct, yeah, correct? So Mal and Chelsea, what do Edo
period isolationism, the popularization of California wine, and a Christian
utopian breathing cult have in common?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Jesus Christ. I'm really worried about what it has in common.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Actually, though, you were going to suggest that it was
Jesus Christ, and I was like, he's only in two
of those things.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Sometimes he's in zero things, but weirdly evolved.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
He might be involved in Edo period isolationism because the
rejection of Christian missionaries into Japan definitely played culture. That
was a huge part of it. So, okay, So I
will accept Jesus Christ as.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
An answer you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's not the answer I'm looking for, but it is
an answer. So I will give you a point I
am familiar with. Well, actually, I don't know which cult.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
You're talking about, so I'm not sure if the breathing
cult is something I'm familiar with, but I am familiar
with California wine as California isolationist period.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes, is it happens during that period? Is that what
you're saying the tail end.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Of it sort of. Okay, So the answer is two people. Oh, okay,
there's one of them Dutch. No, okay, surprisingly discipline, I'm sorry.
So one is Thomas Lake Harris, a name I don't
think you either of you know, and the other is
Nagasawa Kanaye, also a name that I don't know. By
the end of this topic, you will know both of

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them very well. All right, So the beginning of this,
I'm going to start with talking about Kane a uh,
and then I'm going to talk more about Thomas Lake Harris.
That's gonna be this first part. And this may be
a longer episode because I just kept finding.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Stuff, just kept going.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I just kept going. But there is more long It
could be two episodes. It can be two, or it
could be three. Who is to say, Who's to say
it could be five. It depends on how much we
all chat about things. You know, the future is uncertain.
You're the one that is five minutes from now, we
are chatterboxes, we are yappers. Yeah. So these two men
crossed cultural and spiritual borders to operate a cult for

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over sixty years.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Oh, I was hoping you'd say that they were in love.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
No, nothing about any of this, not that I'm aware of.
Nothing that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I thinks Evans and Pedro Pascal should kiss it better movies.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Movie The Materialists would have been a better movie if
they'd kissed. Honestly, they should have a movie they kiss. Well, Chelsea,
you have a screenwriting degree. That's true. I do have
make it.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Make it the you're about to tell us about. But
cast these two, as.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I was gonna say. One of them is explicitly a
Japanese man. So I feel like you need to get
a Japanese man, many hot Japanese men.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
He can come up with.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Some there are there are, yeah, there are. And the
other one has to be a Anglo American Christian universalist
preacher from New York.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Chris evens.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean Chris Evans could play that. Yeah, yeah, though
I do. My heart wants unhinged Chris Pine for it.
Have you guys seen Stretch. No, it's a hilarious film.
I think it went straight to DVD. He is the second,
he's the he's like the second most screen time in
the entire movie. He went uncredited in this film. Chris
Pine seven. I say, Chris sevens. I'm Chris Pine.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
You said Chris Pine. But Chris evens play a cult
leader and something recently.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I probably I don't know, he probably didn't. I just
I want Chris Pine from Stretch to be Thomas Lake
hare with It's like same same vibe but completely different
direction in that movie. But I just want that that
unhinged in anyway. But I'll explain, you'll understand, you'll understand.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yes, honey, don't which came out this year, he played
Reverend Drew okay, which I from what I remember, it
was some like uh some kind of he was like a.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Cult leader, okay, honestly, so he's got the chops. I
will explain Thomas like Evans to you guys, and you
can tell me who you would cast as this man.
That's fair, and I will give you some We don't
get a lot, Chris, pick your favorite Chris. It could be.
It doesn't have to be a Chris, it could be anybody,
and I will I will talk about Kannie. I don't
go deeply into his like, you know, personality yet in

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this section. So I don't know if you can he
can cast him, but you can, you know, start thinking
about it.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
So Uh, this is completely off topic, entirely, but I
was thinking about it, and I was thinking about it
all week, and now I have.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
To bring it up to you.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay, speaking of the Chris is, I was thinking about
how Chris Pine not Chris Pine, Chris pr is star
Lord and that upsets me. What upsets me more is
that before Chris Pratt was approached to play star Lord,
they approached Jensen Apples. Yeah, and he couldn't because of
supernatural who could have had that?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I will forever be upset about it. And that's fair,
I think I think that's fair. Yeah. Anyway, that's all.
So let's get into this. Let's actually talk about this.
These two dudes operated a cult for over sixty years,
and they also started a boom in Napa Valley of vineyards.
They popularized the Napa Valley for wine. That would be

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responsible for putting that whole region on the map. What
time period is this. We're in the late eighteen hundreds. Okay,
that's where we're starting, all right. So I'm gonna start
with a quick primer on the concept of skoku. Okay, So,
the policy of sukoku was the Japanese for relations like
policy during The Edo period, which lasted from sixteen oh

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three to eighteen sixty eight, was basically no foreign relations,
right except for the Dutch in this one little area.
Japan was almost there were incredibly isolationists during this period,
and almost all foreign nationals were banned from entering the country,
and the majority of Japanese nationals were banned from leaving.
It was illegal to leave the island unless you had

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specific permission. So wild, because they didn't want anybody like leave.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Get it, I get it, and in some ways understandable,
but also just wild.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
They didn't want that cultural contamination that was their whole vibe,
which I will say, I'm not a big fan of
isolationist nation to begin with, but also like you know,
I'm not in charge of that, but I make their choices.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
But also this time period a lot of colonialism was happening,
so I don't truly understand being like fuck.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Off, you know what. There are arguments to be made
on both sides, and I can understand why they'd be like, hey,
white people, get out of here, because like the Dutch
in this one little port, except for the Dutch in
this one little port, they also were doing trade with
other countries, especially later in this time period, because we're
going to be starting this in like the eighteen sixties,
and at that time there was a little bit more

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like leeway when it came to other countries. But yeah,
they really liked the Dutch. They did a lot of
trade with China also, which makes sense because they're right there.
But they were, as Chelsea bets, are very uh their characters. Yeah,
they use the for for their kanji. They used basically
the Chinese system of writing, which is different pronunciations and whatnot,

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and different meetings things. There were big fans of the Dutch,
as Chelsea said, got to have those clocks. But generally speaking,
if you weren't a high up official in the government
or obscenely rich, there was no legal way off the island. Okay,
so of course this meant there were a lot of
people who left illegally. Yeah, people are still gonna do it.

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You can't stop somebody from getting on a boat. I
actually I have a question answer I don't think you're
going to be able to answer it, maybe because of this,
but so Assassin's Creed Shadows Okay, listen history what they.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Came out this year, and I got me thinking about
there's the Yesu k the Black Samurai, and so now
I'm wondering, like, well, how did he get to Japan.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think so he was a slave, yeah, yeah, brought
over by the Portuguese, but he was owned by a Portuguese.
His his master was a Portuguese man in the game, because.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
The Portuguese did do trade with with Japan before before
I think they locked it down or just the Dutch.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
What happened in the game from when I was playing,
was that Nobunaga saw that he was a slave and
was like, give me him. You've upset me greatly. And
to the Portuguese man, it was like, you give me
your slave, and the Portuguese man was like, no, you
don't want him. He's he's worthless. He's like, no, I

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see he has a warrior spirit. You give him to
me or else I will kill you Portuguese man. And
then then he stayed in Japan. I'm sure there's always
some more plots a game.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't I don't well the game whatever.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
The game also isn't necessarily historically accurate at all, but
I am curious about the actual history of it.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I mean, there's a lot of stories because Yuosk is
very He's a very famous figure, yeah, in Japanese history.
So I'm sure that you could find a wealth of
media telling the story. The problem is, I don't know
how much. If it's going to be in English, that lot,
there's a lot. No, again, he's a very famous character. Yeah,
I feel like you could. Again, I think that there's

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probably a book also out there that you could find
that has all the questions you want answered, or we
could talk about him on this podcast. We could. That
would actually because it's you know, yeah, as this is
going to slowly just turn into a history podcast if
it wasn't already. We do modern stuff too, we do.
But again, okay, we're in Japan. We're in the late
Ado period. It's the eighteen sixties. People are leaving the

(23:48):
island illegally because they still want to go places. Yeah,
and some of these people were members of the Sasuma clan,
which was a powerful group with Samurai heritage in the
mid eighteen sixties. One boy in particular, named naga He's
Goski okay, sorry Isnagaski was chosen to go abroad to

(24:09):
get a Western education. This was not uncommon, especially for
more well to do families. They because they saw that
the West had a lot more like advancements in technology.
They wanted their children, usually their sons primarily, to learn
about those things and bring that education back to Japan.

(24:29):
Hikske was sent off to get this education, and since
this was technically super illegal, he was renamed so that
his family wouldn't be implicated if he was caught. Well,
it's like, okay, and I'm sorry I keep interrupting you.
I just have so many random facts in my head.
The current leader of North Korea, Kim Jong un, was

(24:52):
he was educated in Denmark. He was educated somewhere in Europe. No,
it's very common for that.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
But the thing is, like, what's interesting is that his
schoolmates had no fucking idea who he was until his
father died and then he was called back to lead
the nation again.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh was he going by a different name. He was
going by a different name and he had a different story.
I mean, yeah, you wouldn't want to say, oh, yeah,
my father is the leader of North Korea. Yeah, anywhere
but North Korea. Yeah, that's the only place that that's
kind of a chill thing to say. And even then,
not super chill true. So Hikoske was renamed to Nagasawa Kaneye.

(25:31):
That is the new name that he carries for the
rest of his life. Okay, And they smuggled him out
of the country along with fourteen other boys and men.
At the time, he was around thirteen years old when
this happens. The majority of the Satsuma students were sent
to attend the University of College London in the UK
okay because they were and this was again it's like

(25:54):
the eighteen sixties, there's weird rules about who can attend
certain colleges. University College London didn't really have rules about
like what students could attend. You probably had to be male,
but anybody of any ethnicity or religion or whatever could
attend this university. So it was very popular for a
lot of these international Japanese students to go there because

(26:16):
it was still a good school that could receive a
good education. But Kanye was again thirteen, so he was
too young to actually attend the school. Instead, he was
sent to live with the family of one of the
merchants that had smuggled him out of Japan, who was
a dude named Thomas Blake. Glover. Okay, sir, not appearing
in the rest of this film. Okay, Glover and fam

(26:36):
lived in Aberdeen, Scotland, and they rubbed doubles with all
kinds of interesting characters of the period, one of whom
was a dude named Lawrence Oliphant. Does this strike other
than the Oliphant's being of you know, a mystical character
in Tolkien, Lawrence of Arabia. No? Okay, then, no, okay,

(26:58):
Lawrence Olifant. It's a name likely familiar some. I'm sure
a lot of our listeners recognize this dude and are
yelling at me right now. Yeah, but if you do
not know him. He was a member of the British Parliament.
He was a prolific traveler and an author. He's best
known for his now nowadays, he's best known for his
novel Piccadilly, which was a satire about London society. Okay,

(27:23):
English society as a whole, but I think yeah. But
he was also a huge believer in esoteric Christianity and
an even bigger Zionist. Oh yeah, a little bit different
back then though, Well, no, he he really wanted the
Jewish to colonize Palestine, so he was still he was.
He was like, I think that the Jews should colonize

(27:45):
the Holy Land, but I am a Christian then, okay, yeah,
Christian Zionist is always he's a Christian. He was a
Christian Jewish Zionism at the time when this dude was alive,
Like Palestine was under the rule of Turkey and he
tried to like, what's the word, he tried to petition
the Turkish ruler to let the Jews colonize it. Yeah,

(28:07):
because again he was a Christian Zionist who wanted for
end times reasons, yes, which is still the reason Christian
Zionism exists, by the way. So that's this dude, that's
Lawrence Olifant. But he also like he has utopian ideals
for the future. He's again really big into into esoterism. Again,
I just can't get over the zion as a part

(28:27):
of it. Well yeah, yeah, anyway, Christian Zionism has always sucked.
In the eighteen sixties, Olafont was really into a dude
as I described, named Thomas Lake Harris, who claimed that
he was a prophet. Sure, he didn't start out claiming
he was a prophet. That came later in the nineteen
in the eighteen sixties. He was saying like, oh, yeah,

(28:50):
I'm a prophet. There's a lot of prophets back then. There, Yeah,
there were. We'll get into that. That's where mormonism' that's
the decade. Who cares now thoughts you're staring at me.
I can't tell if you're zoning out or if you're
I'm I'm not zoning out.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I'm hearing you, but I'm just weirdly so sleepy.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I was gonna say, you actually trying not to fall asleep.
Maybe if you didn't have six pillows in the love
sack with you stop it's only two incorrect, Maybe if
it weren't so incredibly decadently cozy. The alarm sack is
a magical place.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
The love sack is a magical place.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So Lawrence Olivant really being into Thomas Lake Harris. Thomas
Lake Harris would go on to found a utopian commune,
commune called the Brotherhood of New Life. And I intended
when I was writing the script, I was like, let's
start talking about the Brotherhood of New Life. That doesn't
happen for a bit, because there's a bunch of other
stuff that happens before. Boy when I started reading, I

(29:46):
have beef because I started reading articles about this dude,
and they jump from like, oh, yeah, Thomas Lake Harris
blah blah blah his early life head on to Brotherhood
of New Life in the Vineyards blah blah blah, bah blah.
And then I was doing deeper research and I found
late last night several articles that talk about the buck

(30:07):
wild stuff that happened in the middle there, and I
was like, why is nobody talking about this crap? Hold on,
and so here we are, and so here we are.
So we're not going to talk about the Brotherhood of
New Life yet, but we are going to talk a
lot about Thomas Lake Harris. So he was an English
minister born in England, but he moved his family moved

(30:29):
to Utica. I think that's how it's pronounced. They moved
to New York. When he was like, oh Uka, yeah,
okay cool. He was born in eighteen twenty three, when
he was five years old, his family moves to New York,
and not long after this, when he's about nine, his
mom dies and he's like, now, as the eldest son,
given a lot more responsibility in the house. His father
did remarry but apparently his stepmother sucked, so there's a

(30:53):
lot there was. He has taught me that that is true. Yes,
evil stepmothers, it's the trope. So he was raised calvin Baptist.
His household was very strictly Calvinist Baptist. But he went
on to become a Universalist minister at the age of
twenty one. Apparently there was a different minister who kind
of like befriended him and gave him solace as a

(31:15):
young man, and so he was like, I'm gonna do
that job, all right. And if you are unfamiliar listener,
a universalist minister basically doesn't preach any like specific sect
of Christianity's teachings. They just kind of speak broadly about Christianity.
They tend to be a lot more.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
If I'm thinking this correctly, they tend to be a
lot more accepting of all people, including the LGBT.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well, yeah, because different sects of Christianity have different views
on that, and a universalist minister doesn't really speak to
one particular one or the other. They just speak to
kind of the again, the universal the common denominator of Christianity.
So I'm pretty sure on top of in San Francisco
on top of the hill before you'd have to drive

(31:59):
down to get into Castro. There's a church there that
I think at some point was led by a lesbian minister,
and it was that sect okay, as a Universalist. Yeah.
I don't know if it's considered a sect. Okay, because
again it's not really like their whole thing is like
we kind of talk about everything.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, I know that that's true, but I think it's
still considered its own sect. You know, I don't listen.
I'm not religious.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
I've raised religious, nor am I I don't I don't
know the intricacies of like that. Listeners who free away in. Yeah,
he also at some point in there got married and
had two kids.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Okay, at the age of nine.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
No, he's twenty one. Okay, he's twenty one. Well, by
the time he has kids, he's in his mid twenties.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Okay. I was stuck on that. At the age of nine,
his father remarried.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, but he became a Universalist minister at the age.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Of twenty one, Okay, cool, And.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Then it was I don't think his mom, well, his
dad got married shortly after his mom died. I don't
think it was immediately, but you know, I don't have time.
It was planned. Oh no, So by all accounts, Thomas
was a really charismatic speaker.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
That's how it always begins.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's how it always begins. He knew how to whip
up a crowd, yeah, and he knew how to inspire
them to action. He was also apparently a pretty good poet. People,
like a lot of people, apparently step away from everything else.
People kept remarking as like his poetry was amazing. So
there's that. I don't have excerpts of his poetry. I
ask I read it. The thing is it's long. Oh

(33:34):
it is long. This man is not He is verbose.
He is not concise in anything that he says. That's
all of his poetry is really long. And it's not
that it's bad, it's just that I can't get like
a short excerpt to be like, oh, here's an example
of his poetry that isn't like forty lines long. So

(33:55):
I'm not gonna do that because there's so much else
I need to talk about. But if the listeners want,
maybe we could slip something in at the end of
me reciting a bit of his poetry. Possibly, Okay, So
as he was preaching, he discovered a worrying lack of
faith in his congregation. Many of them didn't seem to
believe that there was, like genuinely a higher world of

(34:17):
the spirit. They were just kind of at church out
of obligation. And this bothered him as a person who
did believe in the higher realm of the Spirit. He
was very like, you know, disheartened by seeing this apparent
lack of faith amongst the faithful. And it was at
this time that Thomas was introduced to some new and
interesting ideas that were starting to develop. This is the

(34:39):
quiz section of the well second quiz section, because I
asked you a question at the beginning the second quiz
section of the podcast, Now and Chelsea, what else was
happening in New York in the late eighteen forties that's
where we are. It's the eighteen forties or New York
mass immigration of Irish immigrants.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I was thinking of mass immigration.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, no, I mean maybe, but that's not that's not
the answer to this question, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
And is it related to religion, Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's also been a subject of this podcast. Was it
the sisters who were spiritualist or whatever?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Ding?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Ding Ding. We have the rise of the spiritualist movement,
as we discussed in episode three forty two about the
Fox Sisters. The Fox Sisters who got their start in
eighteen forty eight.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I love the New York It's faux, which means fake.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, it's fox. Oh like the animal. Oh there's a
pun in there, for sure, pun in therea but no,
it's it's not faux sisters, it's fox.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh literally, never mind, never man.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
The Fox Sisters, And that would be episode three forty two.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
The Fox Sisters. As we discussed in that episode, there
was a scientist and philosopher named Emmanuel Swedenborg Borg Swittenborg.
You don't see many people named Manuel anymore. I mean
not in America. No, probably other places that might be.
I don't know, Manuel, Manuel, Manuel, not Manuel. Maybe used
to say any part really fast?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh yeah, manually, I mean that's religious.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Swedenborg started having really intense visions about heaven once upon
a time. He started saying that like God and angels
were coming to him to show him the different strata
of heaven and hell and how it all worked. Yeah,
you know, as one does. And he was basically like
explained to people how was set up like a tier
list of godliness essentially, and Thomas Lake Harris really jibed

(36:26):
with these ideas and he wanted to be like an
s tier spiritualist.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
He wanted to be he wanted to level up as
a spiritualist.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, And he started to go all in and on
these ideas that Swedenborg and others had about how to
uplift humanity and how to grow a utopian communal society.
He was really thinking, like Brotherhood of Man kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Is it inherently human to seek utopia? A concept of utopia.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I don't know if it's inherently human. Some people are
fairly selfish and in fact don't care about the good
of all. Sure, utopia is I think, different to every person.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
That's my thought too. Yeah, because you're saying that, I'm
thinking selfish people can want utopia if it benefits.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Them, is it, I guess yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I mean I don't inherently humish person's definition of what
utopia is is different than someone who is more selfless.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I just don't know if it's inherently human. I can't speak,
so people don't generally admit to their selfishness. So someone
who is selfish, though their version of utopia would still
be very different, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, yeah, they would call utopia, but it wouldn't be
interpreted is that by the people that they're like stepping
on to achieve their utopia?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Apparently during this period, while he's getting really into Swedenborg
thoughts and a big influence on him with spiritualism was
the famed Andrew Jackson Davis himself, who if you remember
that episode I mentioned, this is the guy who combined
the concepts of Swedenberg's to your list of heaven and Mesmer.

(37:58):
I believe it's Anton Mesmer. I remember the hypnotists. Yeah,
the famed hypnotist. He combined those two into the concept
of trance like states to discover holy.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Truths, a disassociative journey in a sense.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
In a sense, he is the medium that started at
all and the two formed a fast friendship. To discuss
this section about those two together, I'm going to use
the words a friend of the podcast, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,
who wrote in a book an article about this about
these two people. He wrote in order to get a

(38:35):
to get clear views upon the subject of spiritualism. Harris
paid a visit to Andrew Jackson Davis, who, after some
experiences as a hypnotic subject, had finally become an inspired medium.
The meeting and intercourse of these two men, I have
to say again, intercourse meeting conversation. I just have to
keep saying, because because Conan Doyle says intercourse a lot,

(38:57):
but he means conversation. It's just like how he if
you read shrog Holmes Hughes was ejaculated a lot to
mean yellings. Yeah. Love it old timey language anyway.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
But meet all those old comics of Batman where it's
like jokers complaining about how about his boner which means
both yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
An idiot yeah, Or like when some when they say
gay to mean happy. You know, language evolves, anyway. The
meeting and intercourse of these two men was certainly a
notable event, for in their different ways, they were both
remarkable characters, and each has a niche in his own
religious history. Harris was twenty four at the time, in
Davis twenty two. Most singular youths. Davis converted Harris to

(39:41):
the idea of spirit intercourse again meeting conversation and for
some years, Harris was an enthusiastic preacher and leader. So yeah,
Harris Thomas Harris became best buddies with a spirit medium,
got really into spiritualism, and started his own independent Christian
congregation in nineteen forty eight, so that or sorry, eighteen

(40:03):
forty eight, not nineteen that would have been a jump
eighteen forty eight, so that he could discuss both like
Christian esoteric esoterica. Basically, I can't talk. His sermons were
said to be so inspiring that his congregation was often
moved to tears.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
In one sermon titled the Juvenile Depravity and Crime in
Our City, he actually so spoke so passionately about how
juvenile Delincolncy was the product of poverty and mistreatment by
parents that it inspired a congregation to start a member
of the congregation to start a home for disenfranchised use.
I mean he's not wrong, No, he's right. And at

(40:41):
the time that was a fairly radical position. Yeah, Like
people were not generally saying like, no bad parenting and
also poverty, the woes of capitalism, mostly poverty, mostly poverty. No,
he spoke in depth about how like growing up without
opportunities because of pop is a huge reason for later

(41:03):
criminal behavior. And this is a man who eventually starts
a cult. Yeah, okay, it's for a while.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
How that's happened, like at least three times off the
top of my head, it's for a whild Yeah, it's
like someone who has good intentions, who speaks freely and
good and is you know, and then all of a
sudden they go down the rabbit hole into starting a
cult that murders a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I will say this cult doesn't murder a whole bunch
of at least there's that. There's that it's a little bar.
It's a low bar, Jim, but he knows crossover. It's
hard to cross the bar that Jim Jones said. We
will now will insert that episode here about Jonestown and
the People's Temple, and.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
That would be episode fifteen.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I will give you more information. You can form your
own opinions about this man and his cult, because I
have my own thoughts about it. If we were again
to make a tier list of cults with like badness,
I know where I would put this one.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
That could be an episode ranks.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Depending on how much they suck. Just the ones that
we've done so far. But then a wrench was thrown
into their friendship. A schis informed because Andrew Jackson Davis
slept with a married woman and Thomas Harris freaked out
about it. Yeah, I mean and added their relationship, or

(42:16):
as Doyle puts it quote. Davis, however, had some peculiar
amatory adventures depicted in his Magic Staff. He wrote a
book called Magic Staff where he talks about sleeping with
a married woman, and Harris, who professed a deeper regard
for the marriage vow, was disillusioned and turned as violent

(42:37):
an opponent as he had been a friend of the
spiritualist movement Dan Wow. So basically, then Doyle says some
stuff about how Harris shouldn't have thrown out the whole
philosophy just because he didn't like that Davis slept around.
He likened it to giving up Christianity because they don't
like Judas.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay, love that man, though I love Judas.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
He was asking me how I felt about Judas as
a name for a child, and I'm like, I don't
do that to a child.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, I wouldn't do that to a child, thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
See I understand that. But middle names though Judas he
was a homie, you know, to whom to Jesus he
betrayed Jesus. No, I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay, Okay, I don't. I'm not going to have a
whole other podcast episode.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
The whole I mean, we've done an episode about Judas.
I think I did the episode about Judish probably, But
I think that Jesus knew, and I think that Jesus
went up to Judas was like, I know Jesus knew,
taking away the whole connected to God thing. I think
Jesus knew and came up to Judas was like, I
know you have to do this so that you have
no choice. I think there was a lot more context
that's not written.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Did they smooch that too? Yeah, He's very much of
the opinion that they smooched quite.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I really think that they were in love.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I would love to give mal the floor about this,
but it can't be today. Yeah, No, I genuinely do
want to give you the floor about this, to tell
to tell us your Jesus Judas fan fiction. Absolutely, but
it can't be.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
The Bible is a section of a I'm just saying Judis.
I think it was in the past a hero and
that was never depicted.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay, all right, well send us your emails about this listener,
And Doyle then goes on to say, after again saying
like you shouldn't have thrown out the whole baby with
the bathwater about spiritualism, Thomas like Harris, just because this
one medium like to sleep with married women and you
are a wife guy. Just because of that. Doyle then

(44:28):
goes on to say, the fact remains, however, that Harris
was seen no more in spiritualistic platforms, and that his
voice was raised against all that he had supported. To
anyone who was acquainted with the true tenants of this cult,
it must be obvious that he never grasped their meaning
and seemed to consider that an artificial hypnotism was essential
to mediumship. His objections were mostly founded upon the supposition

(44:51):
that one comes in contact with evil spirits. One may
find plenty of evil spirits in the flesh, but one
chooses one's company and one finds that it is not
difficult to come in contact with the higher ones as well. Okay,
basically he's salty about it, right, Because Thomas like Harris
goes on to say spiritualism sucks and Doyle loves spiritualism

(45:11):
so much. It was such an interesting human, wasn't he. Yeah,
wasn't he the wacky little guy mal Winster at the
episode we did about him here, and.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
That would be episode thirty six.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
But yes, he's saying, like Thomas like Harris says that
spiritualism puts you in contact with evil spirits, but people
suck in real life. Did you ever think about that, Thomas?
I mean, however, Thomas like Harris, did come in contact
with a higher spirit, apparently according to him. According to
Thomas like Harris in eighteen fifty, after quitting his preaching gig,

(45:46):
because he can't do his independent church anymore because spiritualism
is gross, right because Andrew Jackson Davis slept with a
married woman and it's corrupting force, et cetera, et cetera.
In eighteen fifty, after quitting his preaching gig, Harris wrote
that a quote majestic angelic man unquote came down to

(46:08):
him and inspired him to write a truly holy poem.
This man was not fully straight. Here's the thing with that,
and I will talk about it later, not this episode,
but I'll mention it now. Part of his preachings. Is
that Harris believed he in something that he at the
time said, the bisexuality of God. He did not mean

(46:31):
that God was like bisexual as we understand it now. Yes,
he meant that God had aspects of multiple genders. He
believed that God had aspects of both masculine and femininity. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I mean we've talked about like Asher and stuff like
that too. It's sure the concept of spirituality not being
a gender, but being higher than that.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
And he also, Thomas, like Harris, believed in concepts of
people as humans apparently made in God's image, also having
both aspects of the masculine and the feminine in them
as well.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I mean, if we also speak scientific, you know we
have both X and Y chromosomes.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, for sure, you do? You do? We don't women
only have XX? Yeah, I mean I can't say that
because there are various people that unless you get chromosome tested,
you wouldn't know, You'd have no idea.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Technically, I'm speaking for a position of no knowledge here.
When the sperm meets the egg, there is X and
Y chromosome at least for some time.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
No, the sperm depends on the sperm. Yeah, the sperm
determines the gender of the child because men the father,
I shouldn't say men father the biological sex. Yeah, when
in the majority of cases an egg can only provide
one chromosome, it has to be the X chromosome because

(47:45):
that's all that most women.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Have and the sperm X or Y.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
It can have one or the other. Sometimes the thing
is sometimes both. You can have three. You can have three,
and that is the thing. Again, as Chelsea said, a
lot of people don't know until they get chromoson way tested.
There's no way of knowing. Yeah, there's I mean you
literally like could.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Present to yourself as cis to the world and then
get chromosome only tested and be like, oh, I'm not
actually totally sis, which is like wild.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Not to spoil any thing, but everyone go watch Conclave anyway,
any who talking about intersexuality, and I mean that's part
of it. I guess, like you can make the argument
that this has a discussion about intersexuality, but I don't
think that that's way what he was going for. He
was speaking more about the soul, and it wasn't so

(48:38):
much scientific as it was speaking about how there was
the equality of personhood and this was a big thing
there was. He wasn't trying to argue that men, in
which happens in a lot of Christian denominations, that men
are inherently above women. He was arguing that both men
and women have mask and feminine aspects to them, and

(49:00):
God is neither and both, and that his big preaching
was that in order to be whole, people should be married.
He did think that men and women should get married
because the two energies of mask and feminine need to
be united. Okay, he had me up till that point,
but he didn't think that they should be having sex.

(49:22):
I also not. Yeah, no, it's very interesting. He's like,
I do think that everyone should get married so that
you have like a companion who completes you. But you
shouldn't be having sex. Okay, how do children happen? I mean,
it's not like it's a sin. Okay, but he thinks that,
Like sure, as far as i'm he had two children. Yeah,
the man had two kids. I don't think he thought

(49:45):
that having sex was a sin. He just thought that
in order to achieve higher spiritual enlightenment, you shouldn't be
having sex. Okay, So being voluntarily celibate he referred to
it as monogamous celibacy.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I'm I'm celibate by myself.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I know I'm celibate, but married, I'm celibate with you. Yeah, exactly,
I have a wife. We do sleep together. What one
whole raw potato? You know you know what that means.
We've talked about it.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
How I've eaten a whole potato?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
No, no, instead of instead of having sex, there is
I don't think it's right.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I would rather eat a whole raw potato, that's right.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So it's literally like this.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
They're like, well, having if saving yourself before marriage makes
you holy, then obviously after we get married, after the fact,
continuing to do not have sex will make us even holier.
And it's this whole thing where the guy in that relationship, again,
I don't think this was real.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I think it was a meme.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
But the guy in that relationship was like, every time
I have the urge to have sex, I just eat
a whole raw potato.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
If you remember this, I do so funny.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So yes, this was his basic preaching. Again. Wife guy
loved his wife very love, loved being married, was big
on being married. What did think that you shouldn't be
having sex as far as I can tell, And I'm
going to do more research because I keep finding nuggets
about this man. As far as I can tell, him
sleeping with a bunch of his members of his cult

(51:09):
doesn't happen. Okay, he doesn't use his position as leader
of this cult to take advantage of the followers in hell.
Follers in hell. I'm going to keep doing research because again,
the coverage of this dude is spotty, spotty than i'd like.
But as far as I can tell, that's not a
part of it. He put his money where his mouth
is as far as only not sleeping with his wife. Okay,

(51:34):
only interested in being with his wife and not interested
in sleeping with her, all right, any who was he
sleeping with the dudes? Who's to say?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
So?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
He gets this vision from an angelic man. Sorry, I
had to go back to what we were talking about.
He gets visited by an angel. We were talking about
how he was a little bit gay, he was maybe
a little bit fruity. And he says that this angel
inspired him to write a poem. And Conan Doyle is
salty about this poem in his writing. When Conan Doyle

(52:04):
writes about this he is upset because Harris describes that
like he was basically possessed by this angel to draft
this poem, and Conan Doyle's like, that's basically automatic writing.
And Harris said that automatic writing was stupid. So he's
a hypocritian. Okay, I'm just I love how petty Conan
Doyle was.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I do too, And you know, I think all historical figures,
I think he might have might be the most mentioned
on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Possibly, Yeah, it's him. And then I keep bringing up
Emperor Rudolph the Third because he's also unhinged, and he
keeps coming up.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
And who's he went to the Antarctic in an evil? Yes,
we keep bringing him, keep bringing Shack.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I can't remember who the real one I think is
the real Oneton? Who who is the one.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Who was like a Satanist in London that we haven't
talked about him lately, but we used to talk about.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Him all the time London. Wuck. I don't know about
in London. I know several Satanists or do you mean
Anton LaVey not Vey? Okay? Are Dingy Alister Crowley? Yes, Okay,
I don't know if he was a Satanist. He was
a theosopher. Okay, he was into the Order of the
Golden Dawn or whatever. Yea, ohto. We haven't brought him

(53:24):
up lately, but we used to talk about him all
the time. The whole epic of so the poem that
this guy wrote, the poem that he was inspired to
write because this angel visited him and told him all
about God and how the heavens worked, is called the
Epic of Starry Heaven. Okay it is. You will not
be prepared for this. Over one hundred and eighty pages long,

(53:44):
This one poem that this dude wrote over the course
of twenty seven hours, Okay, that's okay, spread over the
course of two weeks, all right, So in twenty seven
working hours, over two weeks, this man churned out one
hundred and eighty pages of poem. It's six thousand lines
of this poem where he describes being taken on a

(54:04):
journey by angels through the heavens to see all these
celestial bodies in the different realms of heaven and God.
Oh boy, it's very like the divine comedy esque. People
liken it to the Paradise Lost, and also in its
nature in the sense that it is an exploration of
divinity from the point of the perspective of guy being

(54:26):
like the angels took me on this vision and this
is what I saw. But it is in poetry form.
It isn't like rhyme scheme. And I tried my hardest
to try and find like an excerpt, but there was
no bit that I could take out as like a
separate Like this is a contained thought because it keeps going.

(54:46):
So if you are interested in the epic of Starry Heaven,
you can find it all the whole thing online. It's
so oh boy, but there's some wild imagery on there,
Like there was a bit where he's talking about visiting
Jupiter and he sees like a dude in an airship
and it's like there's a button. There's like thousands of

(55:07):
space sailors essentially, and they're talking about the future, and
there's like a goddess dripped in sapphires flying through the heavens.
There's a lot of really good trippy imagery in here.
I feel like it'd be a great Muca painting. That's
another time. This is some Over the course of two
weeks in eighteen fifty three, he churns out this poem,

(55:27):
some real Stephen King on cocaine level.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Crap, Oh God.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And I'm thinking that it's like, maybe the spirit did
move this dude, I don't know, or maybe cocaine moved him.
Maybe cocaine moved him. That's possible too.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Maybe cocaine is the spirit.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Maybe cocain is the spirit. Cocaine is the spirit we
were looking for all along? What's to say? In eighteen
fifty one, a dude from this group called the Mountain
Cove Community, a spiritualist, claimed that the Garden of Eden
was actually in Virginia, and so, of course not less
virgin just regular Virginia.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
But that's why there's cryptos there because it's the Garden
of Eden. It's nearby.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That's West Virginia. That's West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
West Virginia is connected to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, but they're a different state. They are different states.
Are they different states back then? At this point? I
believe yes, I think that they were in fact different states.
And I don't remember when this skisn't happened between the Virginias.
In eighteen fifty one, Mountain Cove Community they say, hey,
Garden of Eden actually was in Virginia. We're buying this

(56:28):
plot of land where it was We're going to make
our utopian community here. Thomas Lake Harris is like, that
sounds awesome. I'm in Take me there. He goes and
lives there for a long while. They were going to
build a community that was meant to be a landing
pad for angels. Basically, Oh God, you.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Need to say more about this.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
I I yeah. So they intended to be a quote
unquote holy refuge where angels could descend from heaven to
pass on God's wisdom just like.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Touched down, like with their feet and be like I'm here, hey, everybody,
because I'm just like of airplanes touching down.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I want that image. I want you think of a
helicopter landing pad before angels. That's yeah, yeah, okay, I
want you to imagine.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Okay. Cool.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
And that was a fallout side quest that was based
on this, That's possible.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Honestly, I do think.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
There was, because hey, again we're in Virginia.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yeah, well follow out well there, seventy six is in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Three is in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, yeah, which is not close to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yes, it is close to Virginia. Washington d C in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I mean it's closer than we are to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
You're basically in Virginia. Store. No, it's in it's Thareland,
Washington d C.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, Washington d C is not attached.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
To virgin Virginia. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Also, anything more than one hundred miles. Anything more than
one hundred miles isn't close.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Well, the thing is less than a hundred miles from Virginia.
I have two we have to Hey, the United States
doesn't need to have the States embarrassed on all of
our behalves. Are we all wrong? No? But one of
us is wrong. Okay, So I'm gonna give it to
both Chelsea and myself because Washington d C is in

(58:15):
between the border all Maryland and Virginia. It's touching both.
So I am right. Chelsea when she's saying it's it's
adjacent to Maryland is also right. Mal is wrong in
all counts. No, no, no, wait, how many miles is it? Oh,
it's touching them its own technically it's its own state,
but it's not even a state. It is its own area.

(58:36):
It's like a it's a it's a because it's a district.
It's the district of Columbia.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
That's maw is wrong, is wrong.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I will say that. I I feel like I'm more
right because they cut out a part of Virginia to
make it. They also cut of it's a part it's
attached to Maryland. But that's because Virginia and Maryland are touching. Okay,
they found a bit of Virginia and they made it Washington.
Dec it's not in Virginia because it's some thing, but
it is touching both of them. It looks like they

(59:05):
cut out of part of both states. But okay, that's fine.
It's touching both. Okay, it's touching both. So when you're
saying it's in Washington, d C. And I'm like, that's
basically Virginia, you are correct. Same thing. So it might
be related. It might actually be a reference to this happening.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yes, I think so to the Mountain Cove.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Group who want to make a landing pad for angels
because they want to make a community that's so holy
the angels can come down and be like, hey, God
says this, and then they go back up. That's a
lot of tangents on this spot. That's what they want
I don't even know how long have we been going.
It's going to be long. When I said, oh, yeah,
that's fine, we're almost no, we're not boy, oh God, Okay,

(59:43):
now at some point you're allowed to just stop me
to everyone, shock, this didn't work. This community fell apart.
The leadership started fighting amongst themselves pretty quickly. There were
two big personalities. They disagreed about how things should be run.
Everybody had really hard opinions about the landing p for angels,
and it just within two years the community collapsed. However,

(01:00:07):
the failure of one enterprise did not turn Thomas away
from these ideas. Only in fidelity can do that, so
he is still into this idea about you know, spiritualism,
the teared layers of heaven. God's wisdom isn't flawed, it's
the human execution of it that screws everything up. But

(01:00:27):
I'm I'm really trying to speed run this. That's fine,
there's so much because we can always do multiple episodes.
I went, we will, but I really want to talk
about Nagastawakani No, And unfortunately that means I had to
skip over some stuff like how he writes multiple other
epic poems about the visions the angels gave him. His

(01:00:48):
first wife dies and he gets remarried. Apparently, he develops
personal beef with a demon named Joseph Bossolmo, who I'm
pretty sure is meant to be Giuseppe Bossolmo, who was
an Italian conman and fake alchemist who may have helped
trigger the French Revolution with the Affair of the Necklace.
Do you guys know that I know about the Affair
of the Necklace and the French Revolution. I don't know

(01:01:09):
this man. He's the reason that Hell happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
We haven't done this as an episode. It's going to
be No, I don't know about it that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It's going to be an episode. I know Puppet History
did an episode about it as well. Just the idea
that that dude Giuseppe Bissalmo, conman and fake alchemist went
to Hell and became a demon and then developed personal
beef with Thomas Lake Harris Deck is centuries later hilarious
to me. Anyway, we don't have time for any of that,
So Thomas heads back to England and settles in London

(01:01:38):
for a little while. He's doing like a preaching tour.
He wants to talk about Swedenborg More and he's writing poetry.
Of course, that's his whole thing. This is how he
meets Lawrence Oliphant. Did you forget him because it's been
days since we talked about him. He meets Lawrence Oliphant
while he is in London for this preaching tour, and

(01:02:00):
Lawrence Oliphon gets really into this guy's whole vibe, including
his main tenant of his preaching, which is this concept
of holy respiration. To explain holy respiration, I'm going to
quote the man himself, Thomas Lake Harris. I'm going to
do my best. Everybody, I believe in you now. Mankind,

(01:02:20):
as the Church continuously affirms, is involved by its heredity
in an odious obsequiousness to nature.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Jesus Christ, what a phrase?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Odious obsequiousness? Yeh, nature a lot once, while in the
integrity of his creation, upright and dominant over the animal
since then made subject to vanity or illusion, the animal
world by its notional or fantasmal images, overclouds his reason,
while his senses are loaded, depraved and contaminated by its

(01:02:52):
God apprentices, yes, appentices, sorry, exaggerated and perverted by cupitices
and lusts. The primitive or typal man stood humanly upright,
respiring in the rhythms of a divine circulation. From the
hour when God breathed into him the breath of life

(01:03:13):
and he became a living soul. The straight and carnally
subjected mankind breeds bodily away from God, the source and
creator of existence. It breeds continuously into the gross and
often deadly natural ether, that atmosphere loaded with spores, bacteria,
breeding and spawning forms generated from the disease, decay, and death.

(01:03:37):
The strife, greed, and lust of the world flows into
him with each motion of the lungs, in turn to
rebeget and reproduce till each nerve tissue of his frame
is infested and led captive in the coiliage of the
universal evil.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Does this guy have a hobby or what?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
This is his hobby, This is what he loves, This
is what he does. What he is saying is that
when God first created humans, he breathed life into them,
and that breath was holy, and so long as we
were huffing the divine air breath, we were good. Is
having that sweet God breath? I feel like that needs
to be a street drug now or a flavor of dape.

(01:04:17):
I don't know the next drug that I'm gonna have
in my dating campaign. God breath it needs again, it
needs to be vape form because you need to be
able to breathe it in sure yesey wars. Aren't we
all pay wars children anyway? Sorry, So that's a inside joke.
It doesn't matter good And now in the modern day,

(01:04:42):
the hair, the air that we're breathing is full of
gross germs and sex funk, and we're all breathing in
that instead, and it's throwing us out of whack with
the divine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
First sec I thought you were still quoting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
No sexunk, No, he would say. What did he say,
Like the cute with the carnalie subjected mankind breath in
perverted by cubitises and lusts, sex funks, sex funk text
funks is better than what we're actually breathing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
In right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Well, he was saying that too. He was basically saying that,
like the air is too polluted, full of bacteria and
germs and gross crap and again sex funk, and it's
ruining the vibe and we're all out of whack with God.
Because we're breathing in that instead of his divine breath.
And I can teach you how to breathe in the
divine breath instead, and that will fix everything that's wrong
with you. By a dyce in, stand in front of

(01:05:31):
the diceon breathe real deep yep, move out of Los
Angeles now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Now now you said that he doesn't sleep as a congregation, Yeah,
but how else do you give the breath of the
Lord without mouth to mouth a contact.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
That's the kind of cult you would be starting. Now
now I'm seeing I'm sitting appealing back because that's where
your mind's going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, he is saying, if you're how are you going
to give someone your breath?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
He's it's not his breath. He's not saying it's his breath.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
But he's gonna eventually be like, I'm the cult leader
and connected to God, so my breath is now God's breath.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Apparently he's not gonna he's not saying that, saying again
pulling by the curtain a kind of cult that mouth starting.
He is saying that mal is absolutely starting a sex cult.
That the divine ether is separate from the natural ether,
and when we are in our low state of being

(01:06:22):
distracted by all of these earthly are odious obsequiousness to nature,
like kissing, like kissing, exactly, that's the problem. Stop kissing.
You're breathing other natural breaths and it's making you all
sick and weird.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
So we need to kiss God.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, mouth with Jesus, and he's going to teach you
how to do that through his these simple, these tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Only Judas got mouth to mouth with Jesus. I know
that for a fact.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Okay, do you think Jesus was hung? Where are we
get here? You say that he knew how to work
with wood, maw? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Is what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Mout finger guns to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
He also did some masonry. He knew how to lay
down some brick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Oh my god, it's pipe pipes. They had irrigation. They
did have irrigation. You can't tell me they didn't have
you that's what caused Rome to fall.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, anyway, Jesus cock was huge, is what we're saying here?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Why we get here? Anyway? I'm trying to puzzle through.
I'm having a crisis. I'm trying to puzzle through Thomas
like Eric's writings, this man is like allergic to periods.
There's like two there's like tool periods and that whole thing.
He loves the semicolon so much, and bro so will I.

(01:07:45):
But also, you can end a sentence. It's allowed. You're
allowed to end a sentence. Thomas like, not every poem
has to be six thousand lines long.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I don't know how to use a semicolon, to be honest,
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You just don't know. I I feel like the semicolon
is a is a tool that should only be equipped
by those who understand its purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
And if you do not feel skilled.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
To wield the blade, then put it down. How do
you feel about the M dash? I am also a
very virulent M dash user. That whole thing where it's like, oh,
M dash is a sign of AI. I'm like, no,
it's a sign of me. It's a sign of me.
Christina Naps. The M dash is another one of my
favorite uses of punctuation. Dash. No, it's the long dash

(01:08:29):
line to interrupt a sentence. So it's like you're you're
inserting an idea in the middle of a sentence by
bracketing it with M dashes and I do it constantly. Well,
the reason it's in AI is because humans use it.
The AI is just trying to mimic humans. It's because
I have too many thoughts and I need to get
all of them out in the same sentence or else
I will forget the XCEL die like like a shark.

(01:08:52):
I had to keep moving. But I also understand that
you can end a sentence at times, and sometimes only
a sentence one thought per sentence. Sometimes you just have
to say one thought. You don't have to keep going,
tom Is Lake Harris, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
You don't have to barf everything out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I don't know. That sounds fake to me. I was
fighting for my life trying to read his stuff and
interpret it for you, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
And then while you were doing that, meanwhile we're over
here giggling over hung Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Meanwhile you both are like, I think that Jesus and
Judas made out sloppy style agreed, and I'm like, can
we be glad where anyway? Thomas, like Harris, is claiming
that people need to stop having sex and also learn
how to breathe. Right, those are his positions in life,
and can you only do it at the special place.

(01:09:38):
How do you think he feel about Inhaler's. I think
he's fine with Inhaler's as long as you're breathing right.
It's about the rhythms of breath. It's not about what.
It is about what you're breathing. He wants you to
be breathing to vine ether, but that's more technique than
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Like, okay, such sense. Are you gonna eventually maybe next episode?
Tell us where to get this vine ether?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I can't tell you because he doesn't write it down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
You have to get it from this So what an asshole?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
No, I will keep looking. I'll keep looking for you now,
but I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Looked in his right house. How can you say, hey, yo,
people stop having sex?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Because if he wrote it down and sent it out
into a bunch of pamphlets, then nobody would need to
join his cult, now would they?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
So they have to go to him to find out
where to get the sex. I mean the viy, the
viney ether, not the sex.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
You come and join this cult, and he says, stop
stop breathing sex, funk, stop having sex. Get married to
your wife and love her, but never sleep, but produce.
I guess you're allowed to do that. But for fun, no, gross,
how did Kellogg feel about this man? They didn't intersect,
so I don't know, but I'm sure Kellogg was aware
of him. I mean they might have. Actually he lived

(01:10:40):
until I think nineteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
What is it the degree of Bacon, the six year
degrees with Kevin Bacon, just the thought of that. But
with all these people we talk about, like the degrees,
is that person between Kellogg and like Connan Doyle. It's like,
I lest people hard agree that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I feel like you could do seven degrees of Andrew
Jackson Davis, feel like you super could because that dude
got around in more ways than one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It's just so wild to me. All these people that
we talk about are just insane.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
They're just crazy. They're they're funky little dudes having funky
little thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
I also will say that Andrew Jackson or not Andre
Jackson Davis, Thomas Harris, he had like a feminine alter
ego that he talked about, which was his like feminine self.
He's a drag queen. No God, I wish that'd be great. No,
but in the sense of like he thinks that all
people have a masking and feminine counterpart, so he would
insermon refer to his feminine counterpart who did have a name.

(01:11:34):
I think it was Lily. I have to read up
on that again. I'll come back next episode with on
that sounds like an egg. Do you not know that term? No?
An egg is someone who is trans but has not
yet come out of the closet. Essentially, I mean that's
very possible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I mean, just hold on. I do think it's highly
plausible that there are people in the universe now and
in the past, even before, like the concept of transitionary movement.
A lot of people are like I am masculine, blah
blah blah, but I do have parts of me that
are not clearly masculine, and I don't present them like
baking flowers an example.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
I mean, fluid gender expression has existed throughout all of
human history. I'm just pointing it out because he had
a name for his no alter. Everything that doesn't scream
egg to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
That just screams to me like, oh, there's a different
part of me that is not mainstream public, like, as example,
liking flowers, And I'm just going to put a name
to us that way. When I am thinking about this
other part of me that's more feminine. I can be like,
that's separate from me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Okay, he wasn't really separating them, I would say, because
he was. It wasn't like he was trying to reject femininity.
He was embracing his feminine like nature. He was saying,
all humans have that. But he was also and he
was saying that this is just as important as his
masculine nature. But he was also saying, in the real world,
the embodiment of his feminine nature is his wife, and

(01:12:50):
that they're like a partnership. His wife is not named Lily.
His wife is not named Lily. Okay, I can't remember
what his first wife is named. His second wife was
named Emily. Because his first wife dies and he gets remarried,
and then that wife dies and he alls gets remarried.
There's there's nothing sus about it. This is just like
the time when people died every day for whatever reason.
That's why you had like ten kids, because only five
of them would make it to adult. Exactly. So this man,

(01:13:12):
this man had three wives. I can find nothing suss
about his wife's dying. They just died for things. Because
it was the late eighteen hundred. So that happened anyway,
where are we? Oh my god, we're back with things.
So yeah, he stop having sex learn how to breathe right,
Thomas moves back to New York. He's going he leaves London.

(01:13:34):
We're so close, man, I promise. He leaves London. He
returns to New York and he says, I tried to
do that whole like intentional community thing landing pad for
the Angels didn't work out, but that's because I didn't
do it myself. So I'm gonna do it myself and
do it right this time. So he starts creating his
own intentional community. He calls the community the US. I think, okay,

(01:13:58):
it's spelled US like the Ews, but I don't know
if it was. If it was, I don't know what
it would be. Otherwise, I'm just pronouncing it as the US.
They eventually settle in the town of an Amenia, I
think his house pronounced small town in New York, presumably
where people were more down to learn about how to

(01:14:18):
breathe in Jesus all right, a lot of people there
were super into it. Lawrence Oliphant pitches this guy, Thomas
Lake Harris, did you forget about Nagasawa Kanye because we're
bringing him back in this thirteen year old boy who's
in Aberdeen. I forgot that Japan is a Japan's a
big part of this. They sent out these boys. Nagasawa

(01:14:40):
Kanye is in Aberdeen. He meets Laura's Oliphant, and Lauris
Oliphant's like, hey, do you want to learn how to
breathe in the divine Ether? And Nagasawa, who is again
a teenager, he thinks that sounds pretty great. He's into it.
So and so do a few other students who traveled
from Japan. Of the fifteen from the Satsuma clan who

(01:15:02):
came to the UK, six like almost half choose to
travel with Lawrence Holifan and his wife to New York
to learn from Thomas Harris. Can you imagine that letter home?
Can you imagine? Because I know that Connie he spent
at least one year at Cornell University, so he was

(01:15:24):
at least getting some kind of education while he was there.
But like, what was that letter home? Like he's he's writing,
dear mother and father, I know you sent me to
the UK to get an education, but I'm actually going
to cross another sea to go hang out with this
dude who's going to teach me how to breathe right.
What do you think they felt about that? How do

(01:15:46):
you think you'd feel about that? You smuggle your son
now of the country illegally to get an education. And
he writes back, I'm gonna go join a Culton, New York. Yeah.
The cult I concern, extreme concern.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
He's just like head and hands, like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I don't know, he said, say Cole obviously, but all
of a sudden, You're like, this is why rise, this
is why we don't let the Christians in. Yeah, because
they take our boys and they teach them how not
to have sex and how to breathe right, teach them
how to make out sloppy style with Jesus. Whatever he
did or didn't say, MAO, was I lost for words
because I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
No, I was thinking of slap style of Jesus, I
imagining there was a picture in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Whatever he did not or did say. Nagasawa joined Harris's following,
and over the next several decades would rise in the
ranks to become Thomas Lake, Harris's right hand manned man man.
We're going to discuss that next episode. All right, we're
going to talk about the rise of the Brotherhood of

(01:16:44):
New Life or and talk about Nagasawa, Kanye's additions to
that and how this eventually leads to the founding and
popularization of the Napa Valley Wine Country. I forgot the
Napa Valley Wine Country. Vale Wine Country is where we're going.
We're starting with this dude being visited by angels who
are telling him to huff divine ether, and we're lending.

(01:17:07):
We're ending in the world renowned nab A Valley Wine
Country surf in. There is a direct linear cause and
effect between these two points. This is the domino effect.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
This is the nine to eleven that causes just silight,
suck up that divine ether.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Huff it, huff it, huff it real good. Yeah. The valley,
by the way, great place to go, even if you're
not an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
It's beautiful. Honestly there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
That is what I have for you today.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Thank you so much. We aren't sorry for what we did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Te right, this is how this podcast works. I think
there was a p you can track my sanity and
there's a there's a point in there where I don't
lose it. I know that it's audible. You can probably
find in the wayfarm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Is it worse than the than the octopus? Oh no,
the octopus was me making myself insane. This this, this
episode is entire with your guys fault. I do want to.
I feel like I can look back one percent in
the way for him and be like, oh, yeah, it
happened right there. Yeah, yeah, that's fair, because that's when
I start yelling, do we have a takeaway so far
from this? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
And Chelsea, I want to know more about Jesus than
Jesus kissing?

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
All right, well you again, when you finish writing your fanfic,
you can come from that podcast and you can present
it to us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
The problem is, is this fanfic going to be an
episode of this podcast or is it going to be
an episode of Parlor?

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
That's the times on how long it is?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Is there anything? I guess it's supernatural? Judas was that hot?

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Well? That's my other question is how much erotica is
going to be in this fanfic of yours. It just
has to be romance, that's true. It just has to
be romance.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I mean, if you want butt fucking I guess we
could sl No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
I'm not saying I want it. I'm asking. I'm just
asking you what your heart doesn't though, what's in your
heart mouth, what's in your soul? What is your truth
that you need to speak?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Honestly? When I think in my mind, I think of
Jesus and Judas again having the assumption that they want
to love. It was more romantic, more tame, more just like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Huff in that divine air.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
We can't be together, but I love you, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Okay, it's it's it's pining. It's yearning and pining like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
They're both Yeah, but they both are obviously in love
with each other and they both know it of the other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
But we can't be so again, when you finish writing
your fanfic, bring it to the class. Is there any
actual takeaway from Today's not yet? Okay, okay, so far,
so far it just feels like a lot of backstory.
It is. I don't have any takeaways yet. I takeaways

(01:19:36):
that I have so far is that I need people
to get good with their research and their detail. That's fair.
I need somebody to make an ADHD friendly version of
Thomas Lake Harris's writing. Also fair. Because it's not at
all it's not at all accessible to my attention. I
was in the trenches for you all, yeah, reading reading

(01:19:56):
his works, but I so far my takeaway is that
why old things can come out of good intention. Because
this dude, and we'll talk about this more, he's trying
to create a utopian society. He's trying to you know,
stop bad parenting, and he's trying to make cure illness.

(01:20:17):
But he's just having to be a little bit crazy
about it, and somehow wine happens. We'll get into that later.
That's all I got for today. That's what I have
to present to you Mal and Chelsea and to you listener.
There will be more. There will be more. That's don
until next week. We are going to go now to
the final section of our podcast, which is correspondence and corrections.

(01:20:39):
But first let's have one last word from our sponsors.
All right, let's start with Lue Sky lu. So. First,
we have East of the Fox presenting us with something
terrifying that says, Futurama didn't even prepare me for this,
and it's like a it's a pretty female looking humanoid

(01:21:00):
robot where they take the face plate off of it
to show the workings inside where you just see the
teeth and the eyes, the teeth in the eyes and
the clear Why is the like the brain cavity clear,
Probably for people to work on it easier. But it
reminds me that one fish that has a clear skull. Ye. Yeah,
it's it's not great at both Pithy and Angry. Sorry

(01:21:25):
I had to read that slowly. At both Pithy and
Angry says in Alaska, we have not a bear's a rock,
a shadow, anything that triggers your instinct baranoia, despite on
second look clearly not being a bear. The longer you
live here, the fewer you see, but they still get you. Sometimes.
I canna understand that I have that in a very
low like, low stakes way, where it's the not a

(01:21:47):
cat where I think I see a cat and then
I look and it's not a cat, not a spider.
Oh that's the more terrifying version. Yeah, because for me,
when I think I see a cat, it's like, oh, cat,
and then it's not and I get disappointed. Yeah, because
it's not a cat in fact, just like a shadow
that I thought was mister spock. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
At American Rando Owl Electric says, I have seen the
CGI Bearwolf.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
It does indeed look weird. It's one of those things
that seemed more rotoscope than anything else. I can sometimes
spot LLM attempts at written comedy because it has a
huge uncanny valley component. Oh that's interesting, uncanny valley in writing.
We didn't really think.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
About that, because comedy that's actually funny relies on stuff
that the audience hasn't heard before. Llllms are spectacularly bad
vehicle for it. You end up with worn out, corny
boomer hr humor garbage unless the plagiarism machine grabs a
specific bit from George Carlin or Richard Pryor or whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Yeah, there was someone it was like a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Someone it was like, oh, yeah, we made a new
stand up special of George Carlin from AI. Uh, like
a new stand up special from George Carlin via AI,
And I remember George Carlin's kids were like, what the
fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Yeah? That's it's Yeah, it's messed up. But also, like,
by the very nature of m's how they work is
that they cannot generate unique concepts. They because like they're
only able to generate statistically probable words based off the
words that came before. Yeah, so they can't come up
with new jokes. They can only come up with variations

(01:23:12):
of old jokes. Yeah, like it's bad for comedy. Yep, yep.
American Randa also says, also a robot lm of Philip K.
Dick is a hilarious idea. It absolutely attains sentience and
ran off to try and resolve the question of the
nature of reality rather than trading blade Runner quotes with
obnoxious tourists. Yep, my mom says, cult cryptids and coffee.

(01:23:32):
It was right there, was right there. It was right
there in front of us. Kino Rashi says, dog experiences
the Uncanny Valley at Boston Pride Parade, which is there
is a big dog esque robot at the Boston Bride Baride,
which is owned by the Boston Museum of Science, and
there is a video of a dog staring and barking
at it. Yeah, because it again it looks like dog,

(01:23:56):
but is not dog. It's not dog, is not dog.
That's like, Also, i've seen that where have you seen
those pictures or those videos of cats who do that
like feur reaction where they arch their back and they're
like all puffy about a picture of a cat. Yeah,
or like there's one where it was a cat saw
a pillow version of itself, like someone had taken a
picture of it and printed on fabric and made into

(01:24:17):
a pillow, and the real cat got so freaked out
by it that it was like hissing up a pillow version. Excellent.
Cat's pets experiencing on Kenny Valley. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting.
But Chelsea, would you be so kind as to read
me an email? I would love to read you an email.
This one is from Crono. Thank you Crono.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Swedish ads for cults. Oh shallom, Chelsea, Christina mal And
you're chaotic little fur babies.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Shallah whoo. Whoa, it's in Oho, it's in there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
First, I'd like to clarify that the Bummersville Shark Society
is not just for scientists. My wording was unclear. It's
for both scientists and for the layman, everyday citizen. It's
pavilion civilian and sorry, it's both. It's where both worlds
meet to share their love and passage for sharks and
shark conservation and research. Also, I don't know what the
actual fuck is happening, But I keep getting Swedish ads
for cults. Oh interesting, oh dear one on Instagram for

(01:25:14):
Schnyun and ads on YouTube for the Swedish chapter of
the Church of Scientology. The Scientology ads have been blasting
at me so many times these past weeks. I'm like,
what the fuck is it? Because I watch videos on cults,
cryptids and conspiracies. Probably I swear I'm getting vibe checked
by the universe. Side Crono, one of Bummersville's resident gremlins,
an archivist of Bummersville's Queer Creative Arts Archive and proud

(01:25:34):
member of the Bummersville Genre Film Club, Bummersville Horror and
Exploitation Film Club, and Bummersville Sharks Society.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
You're you're a pillar of the community. Apparently you're doing
all kinds of extracurricular activities. Krono, godspeed anyway, Corona sent
us images of the ads. Oh snap, I kind of
do want to see Swedish shen Yun images now entered
that episode here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Yeah, and that would be episode ninety man and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
So also Swedish Scientology. I'm sorry that you're getting these
ads because that's annoying as hell. We also have the
whole Yeah, dang, that's annoying. I'm sorry that that's being
plaguing you. It is absolutely because your computer is listening
to you and the content you be trying to feed
you ads at things you'd like. Don't join to cult,
don't try to cl don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Train to col But do you think we have time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
For one more? Maybe? Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
We've got tornado thoughts from Jessica. Ooh, hello, Gal's mal
and furry pals.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
I'm a million years late to this. That's fine. This
is from February eighteenth, and we're a million years late
and responding. It's reciprocal lateness.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
I'm a million years late to this, and I'm probably
the one hundredth person to email. But as someone from
Texas who grew up in an area with tornadoes, I
have some thoughts. In the Butterfi People episodes, Ooh, you
can definitely tell whether it's twister weather. It feels the
same as the day before a hurricane. I lived in
Florida for eight years. Everything feels heavy and still anything.
Animals can tell too, since they will often be quiet
or skittish, which makes it extra year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I feel like it has something to do with the
barometric pressure. I feel like you can feel the pressure
changes in the air, you know. Yeah, makes sense. That
would be like a thing that would make a lot
of sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. The reason you get
in your bathtub is just because you generally want to
be in the bathroom. You want to be in the
innermost room of your home with no windows, in the
lowest floor you can get to, and for most it's
the bathroom. If it is the bathroom, you get in

(01:27:16):
the tub because the tub will provide marginal protection from
flying debris if the wall is breached, i e. If
you duck down so you're mostly covered by the sides
of the tub and a piece of debris comes flying
and hits the tub, that's a small bit of protection.
It can also be the best place to sit, just
for convenience. If you're underwarning overnight, the safest and marginally
most comfortable place to sleep is probably the bathtub. Also,

(01:27:37):
I don't think I responded the last time you all
read one of my emails, so as requested, here are
some book rerecks for the weirdly specific genre of people
who loved nature so much they destroy it. The organ thief,
the feather Thief, the Dinosaur Artist, the Dragon behind the Glass.
The feather Thief in particular is absolutely infuriating and takes
some weird turns. Oooh, these will be good to look into.
And here are some more picks of both my cats,

(01:27:59):
including tiny Kitty Creek. Thank you for the super interesting
episode and for keeping me company through many long days
at work. Jessica baby, so small, cute, Little Torty, Oh
my god, so tiny, very cute, Thank you so much.
Little is little Armed Crusted I love. And then there's
other attached images of many good kitties. Oh they're sleeping,

(01:28:24):
They're so cute. I love cats. I love pets. I
love I love so many.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
The only pets I don't like are spiders. Every other
pet is wholesome. I if you have spiders for pets
and you love them, I that's encourage for you. Don't
send me photos.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Chelsea does not want to see the photos, but you
know that we encourage you and we appreciate you as
long as it brings you joy. But if you have
like pictures of like reptilian babies, I love those. She
does love Chelsea's a scaley. I yes, sure, Chelsea loves
lizards and of lizards and snakes they're all, and frogs

(01:28:59):
and turtle they're all very sweet. Some talks don't have scales, though,
do they They don't, but they're still in that like range. Sure,
they're in the same They live in a tank. Yeah
they live in a tank. Yeah, yeah, you don't have
free range frog now. But also if you if you
own reptiles, as long as you are you can safely
do so, you should handle them often. We used to.
We had lizards, We took them out all the time.

(01:29:20):
Do they like being touched?

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
I guess it depends on the animal, But eizard always
loved coming out and climbing on us.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Because I know mammals have that instinct. There is an
instinct in mammals where we because again we're largely like
social creatures mammals are. There is like a positive chemical
reaction to touch, which is why like pets like being pet. Yeah,
your dog and cat like being pet because mammals like
being touched. But I know that not all animals have that.

(01:29:47):
That's true, and I just don't remember which ones do it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
We had water dragons who did like climbing up on
you and like having They have a ridge on their
neck that you could like pet and they like that.
And then we had a ball python that did like
to curl up around your arm and just like observe
places that were not its tank just like to be
up there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah, nice, very good. Well everyone, thank you so much
for sending us your correspondence. We love hearing from you.
We love getting your takes on things, your corrections, we
love seeing pictures of your pets. We just love your
reactions to the episodes and hearing from you in general.
So thank you very much for doing so. If you
would like to send us your thoughts, you can email
them to us at Cult Scripteds Conspiracies at gmail dot com. Alternable,

(01:30:27):
you can reach out to us via our social medias.
We have a Blue Sky almost at Twitter, We have
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still have a Twitter where we just don't go there.
We just don't go there anymore. And we have a
Patreon Patreon dot com slash cult Scripted Conspiracies where you
can join our discord for chats and memes and extra

(01:30:47):
stuff for parlor, extra stuff for parlor. That's true, there's
a whole there's like usually an additional hour of context
an hour. Yeah, it's like between there's one episode I
remember vividly because the Patreon two hours long. Yeah, the
Patreon version was two hours longer, and I was like
Jesus Christ, we had a lot to talk, and we
talked too much.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I have I have our schedule for Parlor for the
rest of the year, and because I just found the
book that we're gonna read for December, and I cannot
wait to get.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
To that book because we will.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
It will be good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
It's gonna be great. There's gonna be so much discussion
in it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Oh God, that's gonna be another one of those where
I think the Patreon version is going to be significantly longer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Oh boy, I don't even edit it and I'm sweating. Anyway,
thank you all so much for listening. We'll be back
next week with the continuation of this story. In the meantime,
what you can do is write an epic poem, yes,
about something that moves you, about huffing about huffin that
sweet divine ether. Write gay fan fiction about the Bible.
Do it in epic poem style, though, yef, you can

(01:31:45):
do it in verse. Oh. That's how we challenge you.
I want to go on a three now and see
if there is epic fan fiction in verse in verse
I mean very possible, Yeah, very possible. It's out there.
People are poetic. Yeah, true listeners would challenge you to
do this with the next week, if you know, if
so many books, Sir Harris can do that in two weeks,

(01:32:06):
you can do like nine hundred or nine hundred ninety pages.
I want a week, right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
It's like, I have so many books that i need
to read, and I just keep longingly looking at this
new translation of the Odyssey that I've been wanting to
read as well, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Just like, fuck, is so many books? You got time,
you got life? Wish I had more time to read.
That's fair. Anyway, we'll be back next week with more
of this. We'll see you then. Goodbye, Chelsea, Bye Christina. Bye,
now I can stay here his voice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Bye ladies, Oh they

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