Episode 408: Fraudrick Douglass

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Christina. Hey, Chelsea has gone cat. Yeah, she's just staring
at me. I have a cat. Cinder has climbed into
my lap. She does that like every time you hear now, Yeah, Chase,
she loves me, she does. I'm very lovable. You are
very lovable. So you went to the MCR concert like
I did. I went and saw My Chemical Romance at

(00:49):
Dodger Stadium. It was a very fun time. Was theatrical.
There was a lot of explosions. Oh, there was like fire. Yeah.
There was a lot of people fake died. Oh okay,
that was also part of it. Yeah, what was it
all because.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So one of our friends went to the first show
in Seattle. Yes, what's the whole thing with the voting
on people dying.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
So so this is a spoiler if you have tickets
to see My Chemical Romance in concert and don't want
to be spoiled. But the theatrics of it, let's come on,
let's gip ahead too. I don't know when we're talking
about something else. The price. The basic premise of the
tour is that the first like three fourths of the
show are a performance for a in a set in

(01:36):
a fictional country for the benefit of a fictional immortal emperor, right,
so vaguely vaguely Russian, vaguely Russian, vaguely like Soviet Union
esque vibes, and the band is like the there's lore there,
I'm sure, yeah, But basically like they're they're brought up
to perform for the immortal Emperor, and throughout the perform

(02:00):
they do various things that either please or displease the
immortal Emperor, and things escalate because of that, ending up
in like a bomb being dropped and everybody like some
the somebody gets like black bagged over their head and
dragged off stage like mid performance. It's a whole thing.
It's very it's very theatrical. So early in the show

(02:20):
they bring out some people that they say committed the
horrible treason of questioning the longevity of the Immortal Emperor,
and then you, as the audience, get to vote upon
their fate. I think they called it an a execution
oh god, Okay, where you get to everybody has these
little signs that they're given that say yay or nay,

(02:41):
and when prompted, you can vote upon whether or not
these these people should be executed for their crimes. Okay,
And I voted nay, because even in a fictional situation,
I'm against the death penalty. Sure, But obviously it was
all goofs and all all theatricality, and they do this
whole thing like they have these It's kind of fun

(03:03):
how they do it, because it's a mix of like
real people and props and like very well designed costumes
and stuff, and then also like things that are very
obviously fake. So for instance, the firing squad is just
like a bunch of cutouts that you don't even notice,
and then they like pull a rope and all of
these like cutouts stand up from the floor of like

(03:25):
like black silhouettes of riflemen, and then they fire off
a bunch of fireworks and the people who are the
criminals quote unquote throw themselves dramatically to the side, and
it's very again, very dramatic, very like over the top theatrical.
Ardway is such a theater kid, Yeah, yeah, they very
much are. But it was fun, it was neat. That's cool. Yeay.

(03:49):
I had a good time. I'm glad. I'm jealous. They
played all the hits. I got a good shirt. You
did get a good shirt, yeay. And there was a
person who was handing out photo cards, like just a
random person who was in attendance of the show, yeah,
who had printed out a bunch of photo cards from
various Michem performances throughout their career and like photo shoots
and then like put them in top loaders and decorate

(04:10):
them with stickers and was just like handing them out
to people. That's cute. And they had like two hundreds
of them in her bag. It was crazy, but it
was no. There was a lot of people doing that
where they'd also made like bracelets and stuff. It was well,
it was like the Swifties did the candy. Yeah. Yeah,
it was fun. It was a good time. That's cute.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I feel like more concerts should have things like the
Friendship bracelets.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I think it's sick. That's the thing that fans are
now doing more. Yeah, which I enjoyed the whole trinket
exchange culture. I love that. It's very good.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I love exchanging shiny things. If I had more money,
I'd be very much into the whole Disney pin thing.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I mean, but you could. There's pins everywhere. Now, there
are pins everywhere. Now I have space on my corkboard
for more pins. I did get a pin were selling
pins that that's awesome, that's excellent. Mean I want more pins.
I want so many more pins I have.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
The one collection I do have is there was one
year at Comicon they were selling uh Scotty Young uh pins,
which are Scotty Young is the one that does the
like baby Avengers and stuff like that. And so they
had a bunch of them, and I bought all of
them because they're very cute and they're I'm staring at
them right now. So but I love vinyl pins. Vinyl pins,

(05:24):
not vinyl pins. Enamle pins, yes, okay, enamel pins.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
It's like vinyl pins.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Metal pins especially, Yeah, yeah, uh they're so great.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
But yeah, that's I'm jealous. I was supposed to go
and for many reasons was not able. There was couldn't
go this weekend because I was supposed to be in
Comicon this weekend, and then I ended up not being
in Comic.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Con for work.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
It was yeah, it was for work either way, but
I ended up being on the home team for work
and then and then I was gonna go last weekend
to the one up in San Francisco, but.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Traveling was just not going to work out. It was
just a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot, but yeah,
but I'm very much seems like they are going to
be doing more touring in the future. It was implied
that they will be producing an album. I have I
have thoughts about their what's what's coming, because they haven't
explicitly said that they're going to be making an album. Yeah,

(06:21):
but they've leased a couple of songs. Now, they've released
a couple of songs. There were a couple of songs
that they have produced but didn't release previously. There was
some stuff that was going on with them with their
like one of their music producers who had been with
them for years and years and years past, and that obviously,
like was a big blow for morale for the band,

(06:43):
like for their families and everything, because they knew this
person very well. And also like business wise, that's the
person who's been definitive in like how MCR sounds, So
like getting a new producer to maintain the sound that
you want is a finicky thing. I do think I

(07:03):
have a theory. Bitter and I were talking about this
because they recently re released remastered versions of Three Cheers
for Sweet Revenge. Yeah, and I think that that remaster
was like a test of a new production team where
it's like, can you make this sound how we want?

(07:23):
And also, you know, make things a little bit cleaner
from these older crispy recordings, though they do the crispy
recordings are off very good. I love the crispiness of Kay.
But I think that that's that's my game. Theory is
that the re release they did recently was a test
for a new producer and they released that, so hopefully

(07:46):
that means that it was good and they're been making
more music and then more performance would be great, would
be great. Big fan.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Also hope that they record this perform but they probably won't,
but I hope.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I wish they would so that I know there are
people who are live streaming it. I'm sure you could
find it, Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
There are people live streaming the Airs tour. There are
people live streaming Beyonce. There's always people live streaming when
they're at the concert. But I want like a professional,
professional recording.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's fair. So that's fair because it's a performance. It
is so yeah, it is, it's very it's very good. Yeah. Anyway,
welcome to Colts, Cryptids and concerts. Concerts, Yeah, where I
went to one. Yeah, my voice may sound a little,
uh gravelly because of that. I didn't lose my voice,

(08:36):
but it might be.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
You.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
We're gonna message us this morning and be like, hey,
I don't think I've ever lost my voice at a concert. Really, Yeah,
I've definitely lost my voice before. Yeah, I've lost my
voice on mic before. You have, yes, but I think
it was also always due to illness, Like, I don't
think I've ever lost my voice due to.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Voice not I don't think it was a concert, but
I remember you lost your voice because.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Of some event. I probably was like just talking for
too long. Possibly, Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I
know I've lost my voice in the past. I don't
believe I've ever done so for a concert. Okay, but
my voice may sound different. Yeah, who's to say? You
still sound lovely to me? E ging you Jeszy. You're welcome,
but no, for real, everyone welcome to Colts, Cryptids and Conspiracies,
where we talk about Colts, Cryptids and Conspiracies. That whole

(09:20):
thing that I said about maybe the re release scene
I was gonna say, is that a whole that's good?
That's probably not yeah, and it's typically conspiracy, but it's
like a benign one. I guess you remember my roommate
Anna vaguely? Okay, Anna. The book of Panic on my
face was me trying to remember a person, the woman
I lived with for like five years. Yeah, yes, uh sher.

(09:44):
My chemic Romance is her favorite band. And I wish.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
We were still, like we're not unfriendly, we just don't
really talk.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Anymore, not close. Yeah, And I wish I could.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Just talk to her about like, Hey, I know you
were there last night, because she's in La now, I
know you were there last night.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
What do you think? Tell me your thoughts, Tell me
your thoughts. No, it was a good show. I'm sure
that she enjoyed it. I'm sure she did. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but no. On this podcast, we usually talk about cold
scripteds or conspiracies. We talk about things that are strange
and bizarre and mysterious and unexplained, things that aren't explained
but are still weird. We talk about just things that

(10:21):
we find interesting, things that we find fun, things that
we maybe find a little bit depressing. And it's one
of those situations where something bothers you so you have
to tell everybody about it that kind of vibe pot
today is okay, yeah, this is something.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Today's topic is something I've been meaning to do for
a while and have been reluctant to do so, and
now I'm just.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Like fuck it. Okay, yeah, all right, have you mentioned
it before? I have mentioned it before? Okay, all right, well,
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mentioned it on the podcast. I think I have,
but I've definitely mentioned it to you specifically.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Makes sense, makes sense? Yeah, Well, we're gonna sure pop
and find out what that is. Hop if here's a story,
oh bummer still sometimes. Now, there's two things for the
bomberscoal sometimes. One. This is a segment where we talk
about recent events.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Basically, yeah, recent events that are tangently related to culled
scryptids and or conspiracies. The first one is that Lori
Valo Day Bell received life in prison.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Now answered that episode here?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, and that would be episode so.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
And for those of you that don't remember, Lori Valada
Bell is the woman who got sucked in, well not
get sucked in, like she.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Was already in the Church of Our Day Saints, but
she got she fell into.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
A more day side and ended up killing her two
children because she said.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
They were zombies. Yeah, it was a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's very tragic. But she has received life in prison.
So yeah, Row it's our friend. Jen was like prison abolition.
But in the meantime, I can.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
See where they're coming from with that, because yeah, prison,
especially the way that we do it in the United
States is horrible. Yeah. But also she killed her two children. Yeah,
punishment needs to happen for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, in some way, shape or form the other. Barmbersville sometimes,
Mal can we get a train to Barbersville.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
In the chat? Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
As a shout out for our daily departed Prince of Darkness. Ah, yes,
Az the Osbourne died last week and I was like, oh,
and I just want to shout out.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
On the podcast because we we we use the intro
to Crazy Trade. We do intro to sometimes well sometimes yes,
when we go to Bombersville. Yeah, we reference the train
to Bumbersville. Yeah, Rid Bozzy Osbourne, yep, Rid Bosi Osbourne.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, younger than I thought he was because he was
seventy four.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
He looked much older. Drugs will do that, they'll do
that for you.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
But I will say, very cool for him to go
out with the last thing he did publicly was a
huge charity concert that he raised a lot of money at.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
There's some I was I was told some stuff behind
that where it was kind of like he was told
that he shouldn't perform anymore for his health, and the
kind of idea being like, if you do this, it
will be the last thing you do. Yeah, kind of
a vibe. But I can also see someone like Ozzy
being like, okay, but like, well no, but I could

(13:27):
see him wanting to go out that way, you know,
like choosing.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
That That's what I mean, Yeah, being like, if you're
gonna tell me to stop performing, then what's the point anymore?
Kind of thing, you know, like like for just like
wanting to wanting to do the thing that he loves
until the end kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, to say it in a more positive way, yeah, Yeah, Yeah,
we're saying the same thing. You're just more glass half
full and I'm glass half empty. Yeah. That's why I'm
trying to reframe this is like, let's let's try and
make a positive spin to it if we can. Yeah.
I get you. I get you. So yeah, uh and
that's it. That's all I got. All Right, Well, we're
gonna move on to the topic of today's podcast, which

(14:07):
is Chelsea's it is, and we will do that right
after a brief word from our sponsors. Christina.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yes, we talk a lot about about well we do
that too, but we talked a lot about like QAnon
on this podcast we have done. There have been many
episodes we've done on QAnon and QAN on adjacent things.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Mal. You don't have to list all of them, just
know there are a lot. Maybe maybe just put the
episode numbers for the actual q and on episodes.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
All we're gonna get We're gonna get a little funky
about this one. So let's see here. One seventeen, Q
Clearance one seventy four jet fuel doesn't need to melt
steel beams, one seventy six t Bagging for Freedom, seventy
eight Basis and Hate, one eighty Game over Man one

(15:06):
eighty two Harnessed the screams.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
One seventeen, which is Q Clarence specifically starts Pizzagate. But
the other ones are like the five.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Part series that was like a five part series that
you was a five part.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Series, but it was it was leading up to q
andon that wasn't all about q Andon necessarily. We also
did a thing with the lovely guys from the Alex
Jones podcast Knowledge Fight Yes Where, because Alex Jones is
also part of the Q and On Conspiracy Yes, So
you know we've we've talked a lot about that on
this podcast. We talk a lot about right wing conspiracies

(15:40):
in general on this podcast, but I would be remiss
not to point out it's not just right wing conspiracies.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
There are left wing conspiracies though as well.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
There are larger grifters as And now this came up
because I am on Blue Sky.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I have it.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I like blue Sky, and this Blue Sky thread popped
up for me, and I was like, this is important
to note, and there isn't a lot of information on
this specific topic about what I'm about to talk about,
so I ended up kind of expanding into another topic
that I've talked about before.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Okay, so let's start here though.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay from Hypoautomatic on Blue Sky says the Alt National
Park Service account calls itself the official Resistance team of
the US National Park Service. With eight hundred and eighty
seven thousand followers, it's one of the biggest accounts on
Blue Sky. It's the eleventh most followed account according to
some trackers. This thread will dive into its activity.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Okay, those of you that don't know. Ominous Alt.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
National Park Service was originally a Twitter account, and it
started because the day that Trump got inaugurated in twenty seventeen,
the actual National Park Service account had made some tweets
that seemed to be like pretty deliberately targeted at Trump
about his claims to want to play down climate change.

(17:10):
Played out a lot of those things. It was like,
spout in facts.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Well, he's actively also since then wanted to sell various
bits of land that are owned by that are national
parks in order to either profit off of them or
to drill on them. Yes, so, like he has wanted
to dismantle national parks.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes. So, the official National Park account ended up tweeting
a whole bunch of things that ended up having to
be deleted because of course the new administration was like
absolutely the fuck not and forced deletion. And since then,
this alter National Park Service account ended up coming off
of Twitter, saying that they were comprised of members of

(17:50):
the National Park Service that were in direct rebellion of
the Trump administration. This also led to a whole bunch
of other Twitter accounts that were like to White House
staff and things like that, which which is kind of like,
the problems with those are going to be kind of
the same as the problems with this account that we'll
dove into. Okay, So the strangest thing this account does

(18:15):
is claimed to be communicating in code with its coalition.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Quote more on the coalition later.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So it'll it'll tweet or whatever you call it, a
blue sky I guess, skeet post, weird.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Post, post post. You can just say, they'll post, so
it'll say things like.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
It'll post two and then in a reply say, American
public can disregard. This is for coalition members need word
to spread, and it's like, what the fuck does that mean?
As many have pointed out, these are remnistion of q drops,
where secret, ambiguous messages are inexplicably released released to the
public in the age of email. So we've talked about

(18:53):
q drops before, when we talked about QAnon, where it's
like random numbers, random photos, random words will be really
to the public and it will be a code for something. Right,
what is this coalition here? They subtly imply that it
might be made up of one hundred thousand federal employees.
They also claim that their movement started as park rangers.
So this is from the Alt National Park Service. Every

(19:15):
day you take risks to release information that keeps America informed.
Remember protect your identities at all costs for safety of
coalition members. New files are being distributed tonight. Please follow
all instructions carefully. What started is a small group of
park rangers has grown into a movement of over one
hundred thousand federal employees, people all across the nation a
risk everything to challenge Elon, his staffers and Trump and

(19:36):
the Trump administration ensuring the truth reaches the public. The
latest count I could find claim the coalition had two
hundred thousand members. This photo is presented as what the
coalition can accomplish. The reader might believe it's a photo from.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Alt National Park Service.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It is, however, a photo from the Associated Press, as
seen on CNN and.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
The photo are you quoting from something? By the way,
I am quoting from this blue Sky thread? Oh okay,
this is right the original thread? Yes es yes, sorry?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
So the Alt National Park Service tweeted on April fifth,
which was a protest that wasn't the No Kings protest?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
What was that? I don't remember April fifth? Yeah, God,
it's been seven years, I know, since earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I don't remember what the April fifth protest was for.
But it's a picture of the National Mall with a
bunch of protesters on there, and then all National Park
Service is saying. People often ask what a coalition of
two hundred thousand can do. The answer is simple, with
all our free time, since a lot of us got fired,
we're out here causing a lot of good trouble. And
the thing is they post this picture which looks like

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they presented as one of their members, someone who owns
that account took post, but it's actually from the Associated Press.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Does this say?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's just as demonstrators gather for an anti Trump protest
near the Washington Monument on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
So again, I don't remember what protest was in April.
There have been many, There have been so many. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Continuing the thread on Facebook, the Alt NPS account claim
that one hundred and forty thousand of its coalition members
attended the No King's protest.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Are you getting skeptical? Yet?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
The coalition follows the rules of fight Club. Don't talk
about fight Club. Also, the NPS website would like you
to know that contacting them is not a way to join.
The Coalition is claimed to be targeted relentlessly by this administration,
but you won't be reading anything to confirm its existence
anytime soon. I have been looking so again, from the
all National Park Service account to investigating James Comy over

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our harmless eight six four to seven post to arresting
a sitting mayor for inspecting an immigration center in its
own city. The administration is a regime and its goal
is fear. They target our coalition members relentlessly. While we
can't share details yet, some of who recently stood up
to this administration are now being targeted in ways that
go far beyond job loss. No matter the consequences, we
will keep standing up for what's right. Thank you for
standing with us. The regime thrives on chaos, and we

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meet it with courage. Continuing the thread, the presentation of
secrecy might be the point. It's banner photo comes from
that time the Yosemite National Park staffers hung an upside
down flag.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
On l Capy ten.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You could have read about it on February twenty second
in the SF Chronicle, and again they present it as if.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's their own photo.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
If you're the alt NPS account, you would have posted
it on the morning of February twenty third, and you know,
not bothered to give a link where the source of
the photo is coming from. The reader is allowed again
to imagine this might be information from the inside. The
alt NPS account encourages this idea by uncorking a common
refrain that they can't say more about it now, but
their quietness happens for a reason. Quote we can't say

(22:31):
much more about this right now. However, if you have time,
please read the least statement. Apologies if we're sometimes unusually quiet,
everything happens for a reason. This brings us to another theme.
I noticed the alt NPS account likes to scoop news
headlines and decline to give a source or any attribution.
So on April sixteenth, twenty twenty five, they post musk
has placed the entire staff of the US Interagency Council

(22:53):
on Homelessness on administration leave. This is from another post
from like a half hour before they post it, which
was just an article I believe from Oh it's from
Blueberg which says DOGE places entire staff of Federal Homelessness
Agency on leave. But they don't post a link in
their posts, right, They're just they're restating the headline, the headline. Yeah,

(23:16):
these skeets are clearly just repeating what is circulating in
the news.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I hate the word ski. I know, I hate the
word ski, but it's it's yep.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
These skeets are clearly just repeating what is circulating in
the news. It's presented as though they are getting word,
but they're just reading the news. Notice how this inserts
themselves into the news event. Lately, the alt NPS account
has been spreading counts of the no Kings protests endlessly
no source, also referring to the three point five percent rule,
which is not magic, which I don't know what the

(23:44):
three point five percent rule is, but they're saying, like,
we're closing in in the three point five percent rule.
Eight point six million in counting wherein all lots of
events still happening. Make sure to be counted, big town,
small towns. You showed up, by the way, anyone who's
telling you to like check in here for this protest
that we can count you.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
That's fed that is an op. Yeah, do not fucking
check into protests. Yeah, don't do that? Mask up? Do not?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Why do all this? Well, from what I've seen, it
could be done by a single person. There's no good
evidence of any coalition or any insider information. I don't
know how many people it takes to run an online store,
though maybe there is a coalition of sorts out there,
so they have their own website where they have a
store where you can buy things.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And then there is a claim that we can fact
check in here, and it says a lot of people
have questioned our No King's crowd estimates, most of citing
a five million turnout, which is fair, it's conservative and
easy to verify. The media claims LA only had twenty
five thousand people, but it doesn't take much digging to
see that number is very low. So that was the
like they the claim that we can fact check in here.

(24:47):
The media claims LA only had twenty five thousand people,
a grand claim that can be invalidated by finding a
media report or two or three. Basically, it's like the media.
The media did not say there was only twenty five
thousand people at LA No King's Protests On substack. Virginia
Weaver actually wrote about this months ago and made the
same points except for the number drops, which only prove
he points even more so, basically saying like they go

(25:12):
on a little bit, but like pointing out they just
point out more claims of like scooping the news basically, So.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
What the basic premise being that this account, which is
purporting to be a coalition of federal employees, national parks workers,
rangers and whatnot, are working together to resist against the government,
and this account is a way to disseminate information about
what they're doing and to them without implicating anyone specific

(25:43):
except the account is just dropping information that other people
have said as if they're the ones saying it.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yes, And the reason why this is important to point
out is two reasons. One again, they do that cue
which it's like you it's the whole thing where you are.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Not immune to propaganda kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's like, we make fun of the Q people, and
we make fun of right wing people all the time
for like falling for this kind of shit, but then
on the other hand, you have a lot of left
wing people also falling for this kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
And there's a little bit in there, and like you
want to believe it's true.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
You want to believe that there is a coalition of
federal employees who are absolutely resisting the government. There probably is,
but I don't think they're organized under the alt NPS banner.
I think they're probably just working quietly without us knowing, necessarily,
because that's the safer thing to do when you're going
against a government agency like this.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So there's definitely a little bit of like projection of
wanting it to be true. But there's also what's dangerous
about it is they will they're asking for your money,
whether it's from donations, which I think they have done before,
but I don't think they've done recently, but they are
asking for your money for like here.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Buy our merch. Sure, and it's stuff like that where you.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Buying their merch and you think like, oh, I'm supporting
a cause, But it's like where's that money going? Right,
you know, like there is no transparency of like where's
this money going?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Like how are you using it?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Are you are you only using it to keep up
your website and your store, but also why do you
need to keep up this website in store?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like what's the point of this.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Being here, How are you helping anything besides just kind
of making people feel better about following you and being
like I've done my part. So I saw that thread
and I was like, hey, we've clowned a lot on
the right wingers, but we also need to point out,
especially because this is more of a thing that I

(27:37):
feel like people who listen to our podcast would be
possibly more susceptible.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
To to like point out that.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like, here's the stuff that is happening. And I went
on kind of a little bit of a rabbit hole, like, hey,
what are some left wing conspiracies?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
What's interesting is that a lot of things that started
out as left wing conspiracies, which are like that nine
to eleven was an inside job or that, or anti vaxxers,
those actually kind of started as left wing conspiracies and
it now become right wing conspiracies, which is interesting because
I don't know if you guys remember, but like ten
years ago, the typical anti vaxxer.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Would have been like a granola mom. I Yeah, it's
interesting because, yeah, like you'd think about people who are
like anti chemicals or whatever, and that whole thing is
being very hippie. But I don't know if the like
that specific stance. It's interesting because like, politics is not

(28:31):
like a linear line. It's like, it's not like a line. No,
it's not like a scale from one end to the other.
There's a bunch of different like overlaps, and it's a
whole zone of people who have mixed in different views.
I don't think that like saying that it's more leftish.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I think it started out as something let me reface
my statement. I think it started out as something that
was more widely seen as a left wing movement and
became a right wing movement.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Sure I can I can agree with that to a
certain extent.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I went into kind of like trying to find, like,
what are some left wing conspiracies, And there is one
that keeps kind of coming back up, and it's from
the twenty sixteen election. Now, Christina, Yes, if I tell
you about a conspiracy regarding the twenty sixteen election, what
comes to mind to.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
You about the primaries? God, there's been so much that
happened since then. I know, I know it's been almost
ten years. I know that there was a lot of
voter suppression stuff that was happening, where people were like
making arguments about and like trying to pass laws about
who was allowed to vote on what. But with the

(29:46):
primaries specifically, I don't really twenty sixteen, Yeah, I know
that there was stuff about like people were having conspiracies
about who the Democratic like Party was basically like backing
there you go and basically saying that because it was
between Hillary obviously, but also Bernie Sandy. Yeah, and Bernie

(30:11):
had a very large following of people who still does
but at the time who wanted him to be the
front or a candidate. And I do recall that there
was basically a lot of sentiment that the Democratic Party
leadership was ignoring Bernie and ignoring the vocal support of

(30:33):
him because they thought that Hillary Clinton would be a
more acceptable candidate for the center.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes and no up until that last statement. Okay, so,
ladies and gentlemen, here is I voted for Bernie Sanders
in the primaries. I have been following Bernie Sanders since
I was a little kid. My mom used to listen
to his radio show Brunch with Bernie's on Air America
and something else every weekend. So I've been following Bernie
Sanders for a very long time. I think he's great.

(31:02):
I think he has problems. I think every politician has problems.
There's no such a thing as a perfect politician.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
No, the chase for ideological purity is in fact a
feudal one.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I actually do believe that that's one of the problems
with picking him as a candidate. Although in twenty twenty
both my mom and I are like, please, just not
fucking Biden, and then we got him anyway. So my
thing was like, hey, I'm afraid that if he does
become our candidate, as soon as the normal general election

(31:31):
campaign smears happened, people are going to just be totally
disillusioned by him because he is still a politician and
there's still like a file on him from the RNC
that they're immediately going to use. That was my biggest
concern with if he became the Democratic nominee. Now there's

(31:51):
a whole conspiracy. It's like, oh, they didn't want him
to be the Democratic nominee because he's too radical.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
That wasn't really the problem.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
The problem that the DNC had with Bernie Sanders is
that until twenty sixteen, Bernie Sanders was an independent. He
was not a Democrat, so he had not spent any
time raising money for the DNC like Hillary Clinton had,
who had been an avowed Democrat for decades. Yeah, and
that was a problem to them. Now, how you feel

(32:19):
about that is entirely separate, and I can understand you
being like, well, that's shitty.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
That's a totally valid opinion to have on that. But
it wasn't a grand conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It was literally just the DNC being like, hey, you've
just decided to declare yourself as a Democrat now to
reap the benefits of the party without actually having put
in the work. And they were pissed off about that.
And again, how you feel about that is totally valid.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's one of these things. This is a little bit
of a tangent, but it's really annoying with our two
party system where you basically have it's making everything into
a binary. I said before that like, politics isn't a scale,
it's not linear, and the two party system we have
in the US kind of makes it into a false
binary where we have left and right and you have

(33:03):
to be like Bertie Sanders, I would say, is leftist,
like regardless of whether he is a Democrat or an
independant or whatever, his policies are on the left.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
He was an independent who caucused with the Democrats. Which
is it, which is a thing that we have in
our two party system where someone will run as an
independent and then caucus with one of the two parties.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Right, because again, you're either red or blue, you're either
left or right. It's the false binary. So this whole
concept of like, this whole concept of people feeling like
they have to align themselves with one of the major
parties and then that hurting them politically, but they kind
of feel like they have to do it in order
to have any votes at all. Yeah, is it's stupid.

(33:45):
I have a lot of feelings. Oh, I have a
lot of feelings on that.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
And to Sanders' credit, after losing the twenty sixteen primary,
he remained a Democrat. He is a Democrat to this day.
He didn't go back to being an independent. He decided
to put in the work for the Democratic National Committee
and has since put in quite a bit of that
work to help build up not just the Democratic National Committee,
but also helping other candidates who are more socialists, like

(34:11):
AOC or Rashida Talib or people like that who are
now running for office. To help bolster them in the
National Party. So yeah, I want to give credit where
credit is due to Bernie Sanders, especially right. However, as
much as I love Bernie Sanders, he has on occasion

(34:33):
aligned himself with people who I.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Feel like maybe he shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Today, we're going to talk about a man who's gone
by many names. Okay, some known him, know him as
Alexander Scamblton, W E. B.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Defraud, Scamuel L. Jackson. We are talking of Sean King. Okay, yes, listener.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
For those of you that don't know Sean King is
I don't want to say self proclaimed, because I know
it's He is listed as a political advocate and social
justice advocate. He is been If you see anything on
the Black Lives Matter movement, if you see anything on
police brutality, his name usually pops up. However, he's a

(35:18):
scam artist and he is the bane of my existence.
And I've been wanting to talk about him for a
long time, and I've sort of felt like, as two
white women doing a podcast, maybe we shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
But at this point, I'm like, fuck it, I hate
this man. Oh jeez, I hate this man.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
And almost all of the information I'm about to give
you has come from black women. So thank you to
Scam Goddess podcast, who I fucking love if you do
not watch. She also has a TV show now Wow
on Hulu. I believe I started watching it, but I
just love her podcast. There's also Angry Black Lady aka
Immani Gandhi on Twitter. I only she's on Twitter anymore,

(35:55):
so Blue Sky. There's also Klakeisha Kent, who is a
journalist who is amazing. There's when I come across more
names I will tell you, but those are the big
ones in my head that I always go to.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Fair good very.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I also listened to a podcast called Fraudsters, which is
not Black women. It's a Jewish man and a black man.
But I also really like their podcast. I think I
do have a black woman on it now. But these
episodes on Shaun King that they did were before she
was on the show.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay, so yeah, there's a.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Lot of information out there on Sean King, and I
was complaining to you earlier it's like, I just want
a timeline of events. I literally was just trying to
find a timeline of his scams.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
But it's so there's so many. There's just so many.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And even though all of them are like post twenty ten,
a lot of them don't have years attached to them usually,
so like.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well imagining, they're sort of like ongoing or over the
course of time. True. Yeah, it's one of those things
where a lot of that is hard to pin down
an exact date that stuff happened.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
True, So I will say that Sean King, I'm going
to I'm not even gonna go back to birth because
actually that's going to be a whole other thing that
I will talk about later kind of.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Sean King is a black political activist who was everywhere
he started. In twenty ten, he started to gain national
attention as a pastor for a congregation called Courage Church
or something like the Courage Church, Courage something like that, okay,

(37:28):
where he was coming out saying like his church was
there to help. Initially, he actually started getting national recognition
because after the twenty ten earthquake in Haiti, he came
out and said his congregation was trying to raise funds
for people in Haiti who are suffering after the earthquake. Okay,
And there was some podcasts he was on talking about it.

(37:49):
It's talking about how much money they were going to raise.
He claimed that they raised over a million dollars for Haiti.
The documents show that there was half a million.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's still quite a bit of change, still quite a
lot of money. Still quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Of money, but not over a million. Right, that's half
a million.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean, is he claiming that there was like because
we have done charity where we did like donation matching. Yeah,
but there was none of that. There's none of that, Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
So at the time, at this you could be like, Okay,
it wasn't the over a million that he claims, but
it's still half a million.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
That's still quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So you just kind of let it go and you think,
like maybe there's administration fees things like that. You don't know,
so you're like, okay. And the thing that will then
be kind of within all of his schemes is that
there there aren't any documents holding accountability for where.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
These funds are going. And this is the start of that.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
So but this is census, the first time people are
letting it go, right, So that's where it starts.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Haiti. Now in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
King decides to raise this is it's so funny because
this is the one where everyone's like, this is my favorite,
because he decides to raise their favorite scam. Yes, okay,
he says he's going. He's raising thousands of dollars to
support climbing the Seven Summits, the tallest mountains on Earth
of each seven continents. So he's gonna raise all this money.

(39:19):
It's like when you do like a fun run or whatever.
Sure you're gonna you're gonna raise all this money, but.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
You're doing monsoring you to do this thing for this purpose. Yes,
man had never hyped. This man was not any kind
of mountain climber. This man like I am more.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
As someone who backpacked over ten years ago, like almost
twenty years ago. At this point, I am more qualified
than he wasn't twenty eleven to be doing these seven Summits.
He made it through four days of mountaineering school and
then quit. Oh and that thousands of dollars of money

(39:55):
he raised.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
No idea, just gone, just gone. How do we know
how much he had raised at that point? Let me
see here. Actually I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I'm trying to see if there's a number. I don't
see a number. There are definitely people that were like, hey,
can I have my money back in silence? So yeah,
so this is in twenty eleven, this is over twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
That was that was ten years ago. Fifteen years ago, yeah,
almost fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
So yeah, But the problems really start to come out
with Sean King when the Black Lives Matter movement ends
up coming in more prominence. Okay, Now I do want
to point out there have been many podcasts that have
been done about Sean King. There have been a lot

(40:46):
of articles that I've come out on Sean King. To
talk about Sean King.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Is usually like a multi part series.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I do not feel qualified to do a multi part
series on Sean King, one as a white woman, and
two as someone who is mostly just going to be
regurgitating facts that I've listened to and read from all
these people that have done the work.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well, hey, here's the thing, Bud, that's this podcast. That's true.
We are not the investigative journalist type. We don't have
time for that, so we are often just restating things
from various sources who have done the work for us. Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
So I am presenting you this information that has been
given to me from many different sources, and I implore
you to go to these sources and read and listen
to these people who have had like direct communication with Shad,
who are now giving them their stories of like what's
happened over the last fifteen years with his quote unquote activism,

(41:47):
because oh boy, this man somehow So the reason I
bring him up with Bernie Sanders is that Bernie Sanders
like wrote a book a couple of years ago, and
Sean King wrote the fucking forward for it, and I
remember seeing that and being like, Bernie, how fucking dare you?
Because again, this man's first like huge scam, I would say,

(42:07):
with the Seventh Summits Seven Continents, One Broken Man, or
whatever the fuck happened in twenty eleven, and I feel
like that should have putted the point when everyone was like, hmm,
you know what, maybe we let this one go.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
The hallmark of a good scammer is being able to,
you know, glide under the radar, and he's very good
at it. Yeah, It's not so much that he glides
under the radar.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
It's that he comes out saying like, I'm a black
man who has suffered from racism, and I see racism
affecting my family because he has his black children now
and uh, he's mild kids.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
By the way, he is weaponizing the prejudice against him,
especially yes, the historical prejudice against the black community. He
is weaponizing for his own benefit exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And because he does that, a lot of especially white
people and especially white activists, are very hesitant to point
out the hypocrisy because a lot of us are like,
it's not really our place, and that's why I've resisted
doing this for so long. But at this point, I'm like, hey,
you know what, it's only it's a lot of times
majority black women trying to do this work to calling
this man out, and people are just ignoring them. And

(43:12):
you know what, he only sues black women, so he's
not gonna sue us.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I mean, what's they gonna even sue us for? You
know what I'm saying, Well.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Because he's very sue happy about people what's the word litigious, No,
not litigious, but about people slandering his name supposedly like.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Notion defamation.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yes, he's very big on suing for defamation, but mostly
he only sues black women because he sucks rip and
he also knows that people don't come in defense of
black women, So fuck you shunking anyway, he's on money scams.
The biggest one, I would say is the Tamere Rice
one one. That's like super fucking awful to me.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I mean even just the idea of a scam around
what happened there does Yeah that sounds bad. Yeah yeah,
So I'm remembering the correct incident.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
So for those of you that don't know, Tamyr Rice
was a child who in twenty fourteen was shot by
a white police officer in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
He was twelve. He was playing with a fake like
toy gun. It was like a BB gun.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It was like not even it. It was a pellet gun.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
That's the same thing. Is it the same thing about pets?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, but pellets or bbs. Okay, that's what that's what
BB guns are, peltic guns. But not all pelletic guns
are BB guns.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Then I believe, don't know, I'm under the impression of
the same thing, okay, because of a BB is just
a very small type of a projectile from like again,
a toy gun. It doesn't matter. It's a toy. It's
a toy. It's not an actual weapon.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Someone called nine one one on this kid playing with
a toy gun in a park. Apparently the caller said
it's probably fa I just think someone should come over
and like see what's going on.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And the cop did not approach Tamr. The cop did
not yell at t Miror. The cop just got out
of his cart immediately shot him. Twelve years old.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, just fucking abhorrent and horrifying on so many levels.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, no, as it's an absolute tragedy. It's a travesty.
It is a horrendous thing to have occurred, and it
is a very emblematic of again, like the culture police
brutality towards black people for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, especially because he was like I saw a young
man with what appeared to be a real gun.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I'm like he was twelve.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, And even the nine to one one caller was like,
that's probably fake.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
You as a police officer should know that's fake. You
saw a black child, Yeah, and shot, which is another
thing that's like, again, this was very much in the
conversation around that time, was the like when the media
and when like the police discuss black children, there is

(46:02):
no childhood. It's like, this was a young man. It's like, no,
that was a kid, that was a twelve year old,
that was a child, Like, it's not oh young man,
young woman, It's like, no, that's that's a child. Let's
be real. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It angers me because after that happened, Sean King went
on social media, which is his big thing is that
he's big on like on social media, he's going to
talk about your story and get it out there. He
went on social media talking about how abhorrent this was
and that they were going to raise funds for Tamya
Riis's family. This has been an ongoing thing with Tamya

(46:38):
Rasi's mother. Hang on, let me try because I want
to make sure I have her name right. Yes, sa
Maria so Samria Rice, Tamir's mother. Sean King said he
was going to raise money for the for the family.
So Maria at one point was like, I can't live
in this house anymore because of everything that's happened, and

(47:01):
she wanted to move. So she tried to get a
hold of those funds that Sean King said he was
raising for her, and the courts denied it. She never
saw any of that money that Sean King said he
was raising for her and her family, right.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
He raised all this money. She called him.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
She's called him out on it several times. And one
of the parts of her calling him out is that
she called Sean. And this is the part I'm just
going to be quoting other people. Because I am a
white woman, I have no say in any of this.
But Samaria called out Sean for being a white man
cause playing as a black man. So here is the

(47:42):
kind of history on that. Now again, I am white,
Christina is white.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, we're so freaking Caucasian in this household.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, mal is Latino. None of us are black, is
the core thing here. So everything I'm going to say,
I am not going to postulate anything on this. I
am just going to give you the information that other
people have put out there, all of which.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
In my research, have been black women.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So this would be CLARKI Sha Kent, this would be
scam Goddess, this would be Amani Gandhi Angry Black Lady.
They and Samaria Rice as well.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I do want to make a brief statement as to
explain a little bit why it's important that Chelsea is
specifying these things in the sense that it might be
something where you once someone could make the argument that
it should not matter who is speaking up against somebody.
If someone is doing wrong, like if somebody is committing
a crime or scam and keeper or whatever, which is

(48:40):
a crime. It's like, if you're doing that, it should
not matter about who is calling you out for that.
But we have to acknowledge the fact that there is
very blatantly historical oppression by white people against black people.
And you have to acknowledge the fact that any anything

(49:01):
that is said by a white person against a black
person has that inherent bias of credibility towards the white
person by society. Society is going to be like, hey, like,
you're probably right because you're white. And that is something
that if you are conscious of these matters, is you

(49:23):
have to be aware of and you have to be ignowledged.
You have to acknowledge how that is abused essentially, And
so it's important to say, like, I, as a conscientious person,
aware of this dichotomy of aware of the privilege, am
trying to elevate the voices of other people in the
black community, other especially black women, who are on the
bottom of the totem pole so often for credibility for

(49:46):
no good reason. I am Chelsea is trying to elevate
those people and specify like, this is not my opinion
that I'm expressing. You may agree with them, but she
is trying to highlight the the fact that you shouldn't.
This should not be a bias like a racial bias thing. Yes,

(50:07):
she's trying to take out her own whiteness from the
equation of speaking against this person.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
There's also so uh scam goddess Lacey. I don't remember
Lacy's last name. I'm so sorry, But her guest at
the time was Ashley Ray when they were talking about
Sean King, and she actually made a very Both of
them made a very good point on this too, because
they're like, hey, we're going to talk about Sean King's
apparent whiteness. But Ashley Ray was saying, like, you know,
I'm going to come out here and tell you, like

(50:34):
I don't believe he is black for these reasons that
we'll kind of get into, but also anytime I see
like Fox News or white ring media saying he's white,
I'm gonna defend his blackness because it's the sort of
thing where and then Lacey says, like white people made
the one drop rule.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
You can't just then right, there's that whole history with
that specific because it sounds like you're going into the
conspiracy that this basically about like race measuring or whatever. Yeah,
which again, yeah, is it something that historically white people
have done to vilify and to punish black people? Yes,
So that's not something that you, as a white person,

(51:09):
or me, as a white person, feel comfortable being the
arbiter of.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
No, but I think it's important because he has so
much of his cult of personality and so much of
his quote unquote activism based around the fact that he
is a black man, and he has made lies about
that in the past that I think it is important
to bring up.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And that's very fair. So Sean King was born in
Let me go. Sean King was born on September seventeenth,
nineteen seventy nine. Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
On his birth certificate is his mother who is white,
so he says he's biracial.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Okay. The father on his birth certificate is also white. Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
He says that the reason he is biracial is because
his mother was promiscuous and cheated on his father with
a black man that he has never met.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
He says that that he is biracial because of that,
and everyone's sort of like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
There have been a.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Couple of like predominantly black organizations that have been like, hey,
prove it to us and will like donate this money.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And he doesn't do it, And now here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You can't like you can't be like, oh well that's
a gotcha because if you were really black you would
do it.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
But also like, it's messy. It's a messy thing, where again,
there is a lot of racial politics surrounding that about
like again like race measuring blood purity, blah blah blah blah.
Yeah it is. It does sound something that in this
day and age, you could twenty three and me yeah,
to validate it. I can also see the arguments like

(52:53):
he shouldn't have to prove his blackness. Yeah, but also
if the if the community is asking him to do that,
then maybe that speaks to a problem in what he's doing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, Like I said, it's very messy. All everything legally
says he is white. His claim of biracialness is from
him saying his mother cheated on his father with a
black man, and his mom's never said anything about either

(53:29):
way about so okay, and also we don't know who
this man is. He has never met this man right now.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
This is what is he saying. His mom told him
that that happened.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yes, okay, this is what Sean King looks like. Okay, yeah,
there's questions.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I mean, I'm like a lot of people in the
United States look ethically ethically ethnically ambiguous. Yeah yeah, I mean, like,
especially biracial people tend to have features that are like
hard to define one way or another. You know, you
don't want to make hard like oh yeah, you're clearly this.

(54:07):
I mean, maybe somebody can out there, but I certainly
can't say, like what somebody's genetic makeup is based on appearance.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
So one of the things that he points out as
his experience with being a black man is that when
he was in high school, he said, his story is
that he got attacked by a.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Group of rednecks.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Uh huh, some of them like steel like kicking him
with steel toed boots.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
He was like he was attacked for being black, and
that he was hospitalized miss school for twenty months, he
had to have reconstructive surgery.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
All this that didn't happen. Okay, I guess I can't
say definitively that didn't happen. I can say there was
no reconstructive surgery that happened. There's no evidence and there's no.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Proof that this this attack hose but at all, No,
I mean to claim that's a big thing to claim
happened to you.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, what the records do show, and his family actually
corroborated this story is that it was a one on
one fight with someone who was actually like it was
technically racially motivated because someone attacked Sean for being white
and dating a black woman. There was no hospitalization, there

(55:24):
was no missing school. The woman he was dating actually
ended up becoming his wife. So his wife is a
black woman. Okay, so his kids definitely are biracial. Biracial, Yeah,
for sure. But that's kind of one of those examples
of things he brings up, is like his experience as
a black man, when it's like, well, that's not really
the truth, is it. Sean, So his name is also

(55:48):
Jeffrey King, Sean is his middle name, and scam Goddess
points out Lacy points out that like he changed his
name to Sean because Sean sounds blacker than Jeffrey.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Sure, yeah, yeah, And again, I don't know what to
say to all this. He's it does seem like there
is some massaging of his his personal narrative to make
a certain image.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Now, some of this actually ended up coming out on
a CNN report, okay, because Don Lemon, who is black,
said that he actually asked Sean about these accusations of
him like cosplaying as a black man. They didn't use
the term cosplay. I used the term cosplay.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
That's how my brain works.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Don Lemon said on air that he had confronted Sean
about these accusations. And the thing is, like, Don Lemon
also goes on to say, well, he does a lot
of really important works. So Don Lemon is still like
defending him even though I'm like, sit down, But he says,
like when he asked Sean about it, he just completely
avoided the question entirely, Like he wouldn't answer it. He

(56:54):
wouldn't even say, like I'm not even gonna like dignify
that with a response because blah blah blah. He he just
completely avoided answering the question. And this is also like
on air, the CNN thing is when Don Lemon also
recounted his whole story about being attacked for being a
black man, and how he had actually dug into the
story and found that it wasn't true and that it
was actually this one on one fight. Right, So that's

(57:18):
like the biggest example I can find of Like, hey,
you're you're definitely lying about your experiences saying that you've
been the.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Victim of a hate crime. But like that's not really
what happened. I mean, I think it still is. Like,
if you are being targeted for dating a black woman,
it's definitely racially motivated. It's definitely racially motivated. It's not
a gang of racist dudes like attacked you and jumped
you for being blacks. That is a misstatement of what

(57:47):
happened exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Like that's the big problem is that you're completely mischaracterizing
these events of your past. Yeah, for your own narrative. Now,
Samaria right goes on to say, like you what is it?

Speaker 1 (58:04):
She said?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
She said, you have you and the US government have
robbed me of my son's death because like he was
murdered by police. And then after the fact, when Sean
King is like raising all this money purportedly for her,
he then does she then does not ever see that

(58:26):
money and he's still using her son as like a
way to popularize his own brand, which is disgusting he's.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Doing with the money if it's not going.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
To her, what did he Well, so he raised it
saying he was going to give it to the family.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
That didn't happen, Obviously.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I think he then said he that there's so many
scams that there's so many pivots that I'm trying to
figure out. I'm trying to like parse exactly what went
to what. But I believe he said that he was
using that money to help the Black Lives Matter movement
and to help end police brutality.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
But even that admission is I think that's that is
grounds for a lawsuit just saying that. Yeah, because if
you're originally saying I am raising this money to give
to her and the family, the Rice family, and then saying, oh, no,
I'm using this for a different purpose than it was
originally told people we were raising it for, that's fraud. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
The thing is he's done stuff like that a lot.
So he also like there's things that he says he's
raised money for. There's also instances of where there will
be money raised for different families who are victims of
police violence or different movements where he says like we
raise like I helped to raise two million dollars for
this foundation, but it's like you retweeted something and then

(59:44):
you claimed that you were responsible for all of the
money that was raised when you have nothing to do
with this project and from records that we have, because
that's something you can do on the internet where you
can see like people who clicked through and donated you
were actually only really responsible for like fifteen thousand of it.
That's also very a very common thing he does.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
To sort of exaggerate his involvement.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yes, yeah, and doing that and bolstering his own profiles.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Also how he managed to have it. He managed to
like sell his own class. Okay, okay, this is something
that's like a very big hallmark of any any scammer,
whether not part of any kind of official university or
there's there's like so many websites online that do this
kind of thing where you like pay a subscription and

(01:00:33):
you can take all these classes. He just on his
website is like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Hey, pay me forty nine ninety nine plus others to
like learn how to be a better activist or learn
how to be a better you kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
There's a lot of those like that's a very influencer
thing to do also is to have like coaching, like
you can take my course. I'm selling courses for five
hundred dollars. I'll talk to you on the phone. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Now, people who did pay for that then out and
were like, hey, I've never received anything. And then this
happens often where something will happen. People will claim I
never received anything. Sean will be like, oh, I bit
off more than I could chew. I'm so sorry I
have failed. I'm refunding you, and then no one gets refunded.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
This classic scam. Yeah, classic scam. Classic scam.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
And anyone who complains on his Twitter that they weren't refunded,
he blocks them and says that these are people they
never actually donated money. They're just trying to bring me down.
They're trying to bring our movement down. Constantly, he did
this again. He had his own clothing brand that he
said was all like US based, he wasn't using slave labor,
which that was like, I can't remember. That was something

(01:01:42):
I read about a long time ago, though, like whether
or not that was true, so I don't really want
to get into that right now, because I couldn't find
the article about that that I had read before. But
whether or not he was or was not using slave
labor and claiming he was or was not, people would
order stuff from his website clothing brand and they never
received it. Like there was one story from a woman,

(01:02:06):
like a white woman who really believed in what Sean
was doing, didn't realize he was a scammer. Bought a
shirt which, by the way, the shirt was like him
smoking pot okay, which like also the picture was like
it wasn't actually smoking pot. He was like holding a
joint for someone else, okay, But he thought the picture
was so bad ass, so he put it on a
shirt for other people to buy for one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Okay, that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
But people never received any product and would then go
on his Twitter and be like, hey, I never received
your product, and he would do the same thing where
he blocked them and say, these are people that never
actually bought for me. They're just trying to bring down
our movement. They're just trying to bring me down. And
in some cases like kind of set his followers on
them to be like they're racist. And the thing is

(01:02:52):
Sean is also really good about setting the mob mentality
on the wrong people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Well that's kind of yeah, like if that's a common
person in power thing, Like the second that they have
a platform a lot, oftentimes they will use their followers
as like an army. So in May of twenty eighteen,
King accused a white Texas State trooper of sexually assaulting
a black human resources professional who had been pulled over

(01:03:21):
for drunk driving. Okay, so King based his.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Accusation on statements she and her family had made to
King and Philadelphia based lawyer Esley Merrit. King made social
media posts about the trooper, identifying him by.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Name and where he was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I went in viral and then substantial harassment and threats
were made about the trooper and it then came out.
So the Texas Department of Public Safety released the two
hour body cam footage proving that he did not do
anything wrong. Merritt actually apologized for the false side usations.

(01:04:00):
The lawyer apologized for the false accusation. King just deleted
his social media posts. No statement, no like yeah, yeah.
This happened again in December of twenty eighteen, but much
more dire consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
But before we move on from that, was it the
situation where it was just like mistaken identity where it
was like this person had been attacked, but it was
like the wrong person that they were calling out. I
think what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I don't know the whole story, but I think what
it was is she was drunk and pulled over, and
she probably didn't quite remember when it happened because she
was too drunk to really like process events in the
in like I was about to say, you know when
you're really drunk, but you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Sometimes when you're really drunk, you perceive events very differently
than the reality, okay, because your mind is warped. And
I think it was a combination of she was drunk
and she.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I mean, because those are really heavy, like accusation level
on somebody. She was drunk, she was pulled over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
He probably did, like I didn't watch the two hour
body cam footage, but he probably did like not manhandler,
but probably like grab her a handcuffer and she was resisting,
and so she claimed sexual harassment, whether or not she
did that because she she believed she was sexually harassed,
or whether she was just saying that to try and
get him in trouble. I can't say, because either could

(01:05:25):
be true, and I'm not going to try and you know,
put a false accusation on this woman who was pullover
by a white police officer as a black woman, and
probably was kind of afraid of what might have happened,
I mean regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
So, yeah, I I don't know why she made those claims.
I being as generous as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I think it was just she couldn't quite remember what
was going on. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So in December of twenty eighteen, seven year old Jasmine
Barnes was killed in a drive by shooting in Houston.
Someone drove by her house and shot in to the
house and she unfortunately died. She was murdered, which is
a fucking horrible thing to have happened.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
So King on Twitter offered a twenty five thousand dollars
reward for information that could help identify the shooter. It
eventually rose to one hundred thousand dollars after other donors
joined the cause, including Leslie Merritt, an attorney advising Jasmine's family.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
So he's back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
King posted a mugshot of Robert Paul Cantrell, who was
a white man, and identified him as being involved in
the shooting, and King said, we have twenty people call
or email us say he is a racist, violent asshole
and always has been.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Just tell me everything you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Place later said the man was not connected with the crime,
and King deleted the tweet, but not before the manager
receive that's on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
This is why, like in a lot of these instances
where in true crime, especially these kind of situations where
people are soliciting tips from the public, they explicitly say,
do not name anyone publicly. Do not announce any names
or show any pictures of somebody you suspect. Remember when
read it said that they found the Boston marathon shooter
or yeah, no, Yeah, it's that whole thing where it's

(01:07:11):
like you until you know you were right, don't be
ruining somebody else's life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, Sean does not give a shit about that.
So Robert's niece actually ended up coming out and speaking
publicly and saying like, hey, I'm not saying that my
uncle is like a good person, because he's done a
lot of really shitty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Things, but this is not one of them. He did
not kill that little girl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
He had nothing to do with it. And eventually Robert
was arrested for a different crime. He was in jail
for robbery, I believe, and he ended up coming suicide
in his jail cell. And well, we don't necessarily know
exactly why. His family does say that it was because
of the threats he was receiving from the public based

(01:07:57):
on the false accusation. So just before or he died,
he allegedly told his lawyer that he was concerned about
the death threats he his family was still receiving in
the aftermath of false claims of his involvement in jadge
In Barnes's murder.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
So, Hugh, very real harm being done. Like again, regardless
of whether or not this man was a good person,
he didn't commit the crime. And it's reckless behavior to
point fingers at somebody when you were not, like an investigator,
you were not when you don't have proof. Publicly pointing

(01:08:32):
fingers at somebody when you have a platform a large
is very reckless. Yeah. So, aside from the false accusations,
he has also been I alluded to it before, very
litigious against black women who speak out against him. He
has also.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Had many reports of exploiting people who are trying to
actually do the work for his own benefit. There were
a couple of different things. There are several different projects
that he started. There was Justice Together, Justice for All,
There was the north Star. All these things were organizations
coming together for social justice. Purportedly. The north Star especially

(01:09:12):
was like supposed to be this media, not conglomerate, but
basically like a platform media platform. It was named after
Frederick Douglas's old newspaper, Okay, And it was like they
were going to do live YouTube shows and like if
you donated this much money, you would have access to
the channel. None of that ever happened. There were some

(01:09:33):
articles that got posted up, but the people who donated
at certain tiers said they never saw any of the
benefits from donating at those tiers. And a lot of
the people who worked at the north Star said they
never received any of the compensation that they were promised,
and that a lot of times like they would give ideas,
they would be fired and then those ideas would still
be used by Sean but as like he's the one

(01:09:54):
saying them right, He's the one who thought of them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
And this has happened quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
There's also thing were like in twenty twenty, he started
a whole fundraiser for like they were going.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
To flip all the Senate seats.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Okay, Christina, immediately, what do you think is a problem
with that statement?

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
In one election year, not every Senate seat is up
for an election.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, he said they're gonna flip all fifty states. Not
all fifty states have a Senate election and a given
an election year. Yeah, so, and like Senate terms are
fucking weird because some of them are six years, some
of them are four years, like, and they're they're in
all different election years. I think there were thirty four

(01:10:40):
seats up for reelection or election in twenty twenty, and
there were already a lot of different organizations that were
trying to help flip seats that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Could be flipped. Basically, yeah, h so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
If you look at I can't God, what was that
organization that I hang on because I want to highlight
an organization that I actually did donate to and I
did a lot of I did a lot of work
for in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Hang on, was it just called flip the Senate? No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
That was fuck, I can't remember, but there was an
organization that was like, we're targeting these specific seats in
the Senate because we think we can flip them, okay.
And then also we're gonna give money to these incumbents
because we think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
They're under threat. Okay. And that was the big thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
It's like they told they were very open and transparent
about here's where the money is going. You can also
hear are links to just donate directly to these campaigns,
whereas Sean was like, donate to me and then I
will disseminate the money as necessary. And then people were like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Hey, what does that mean? Though? What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
And also can't we just directly donate to these campaigns?
And then he would come on Twitter and be like,
you're right, you should just donate directly these campaigns, but
also give me the money and I'll donate directly to
these campaigns. In the meantime, this man is buying a
forty thousand guard dog.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
What kind of dog is that much money? I guess
one that's been trained, Okay, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
He also moved his whole family into a nearly one
million dollar house in New Jersey because he said they
had to move because of death threats and doxing against
his family, which I'm like, hey, Sean, that's funny because
you are continuously doxing people who.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Come out to be innocent. Yeah, so like, hmm weird.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Also, why did you need to buy like a nearly
million dollar house to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
I mean, yes, I can't speak on that. Living in
southern California and having actually bought property there, you can't
get crap like it's it's a rat race to get
crap under a million dollars into a California.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
He also does this thing where he claims like he
does not get money from these ventures, but then instead
it's his wife that's on the board that is getting
a salary.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
It's the loopholes. It's like loopholes, a shady kind of
miss again miss representation of truth. So on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
In January of twenty nineteen, he actually tweeted that he
was going to pursue legal action against social justice advocates
on Twitter who questioned his previous fundraisers, and his attorneys
later sent cease and desist letters and a lot again,
a lot of these people were black women who were saying, like,
I'm getting silenced by Sean King for saying like, hey,
where the fuck is this money going?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Right? I actually got blocked.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
On Twitter by Sean King, because I think it was
Clerki sha Kent who was like, hey, you should like
flood his mentions with like where is this money going?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Like they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Give it, like give us the tax tax records. You
said you would release it, never did, And so I
did that and I got blocked by him, which is
true of like anyone who did that. And again it's
you get blocked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
You get told that you're a right wing, right wing
person who is trying to bring down the movement. You
get lumped into the mob against him, regardless of whether
or not you are what, whether or not you're attacking
him for his you know, racer ideals, whatever, or whether
or not you're just like asking for him to supply
proof of the things he's saying. Yeah, So it's just

(01:14:05):
it's just so messy. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
So a lot of the podcasts I listen to and
stuff kind of stop here at like his twenty twenty stuff,
because there they're like a lot of like there was
a lot of stuff about in the late twenty tens
and then in twenty twenty that he was doing that
people were like, hey, what the fuck? And he's it's
become more public knowledge that Sean King is a scammer now,

(01:14:30):
which is good because he is and you should stop
giving him money if you are. There's also like, it's
so funny because people who like said that they donated
to certain things that like then become defunct will then
go into their card statements and be like, hey, why
am I still getting money taken out for this thing
that you said was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Done and defunct? And it's because he just quietly shifts
their donations over to whatever his next venture is going
to be, which I believe is also fraud. I think
that is. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's fraud. And I'm
it's like why has like at the very least, because
there's a common thing when it comes to transactions where

(01:15:08):
if you do like a chargeback via either if you
pay through PayPal or if you do it through your
credit card, that will penalize the person who is doing
the transaction essentially, So like if you are buying from
a seller online, for instance, and use Visa and they
never give you the thing, and you contact Visa be like, hey,
this person never gave me the thing I paid for

(01:15:29):
and Visa gives you the money back they have like
an internal rating Visa does with that vendor, where that
vendors reputation within the company, within the payment companies like
Purview goes down to the point where they start experiencing
ramifications because they are not of what I'm looking for.

(01:15:50):
They are not a real or reputable that's yeah, then
a reputable vendor. Yeah. So I'm wondering, is like, how,
like what's this dude doing. If this is the case
where he's truly not following through on so many of
these things and he's taking people's money under false pretenses,

(01:16:11):
how has he not gotten smacked by just the payment
processors to begin with?

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Like I don't know, Like I'm curious as to like
how he's evading this for sure, But even like recently,
I remember, I believe it was after twenty twenty, there
was this whole thing where he was supposed to be
at like Rihanna's fashion show for Fenti, and like people
were like, dude, Rihanna, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Are you doing? And like eventually I believe he got dropped.
He's recently been dropped from some talks because people are like,
we don't fucking want this asshole here, and so it's
becoming more widespread that he's a scammer. But I think
the way and it's like, I'm not sure legally how
he's able to evade this. It could be if he's
if he's very good at setting up like companies in
the sense because there's like companies within companies or whatever

(01:16:54):
where it's like, oh no, it wasn't this company. It
wasn't like me Sean King doing it. It was my
like this company owned by this company subsizing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Also, I remember specifically with north Star, because with north
Star he said he had like a whole bunch of
conglomerates in different states, or it might have been Justice together.
It's one of those, but where he shut everything down
except for one state, so like technically it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Wasn't entirely shut down. He was collecting the money from
there but using it somewhere else. I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I mean, this is also a man who was like
he says he does not collect money from his endeavors,
like this is just all he thinks he is doing
from the goodness of his heart. And then it came
out that like forty percent of donations went directly into
his pocket to a tune of like one hundred and
sixty thousand dollars salary for a year, which it's like,

(01:17:45):
I love fraudsters talking about this because they were like, hey,
if you were an activist, you deserve to live comfortably.
You deserve to live comfortably being an activist, Like you
should not have to be eating out of dumpsters and
also trying to work your activism because that can't work.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
That's not sustainable. No, you have to be able to
live in order to do your activism. Regardless of what
anybody is doing. Everybody deserves to have an income that
can support a comfortable lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yes, yeah, but lying about how much money you take
and then also taking like six figures of donations that
you that, as far as people donating are concerned, is
going to these specific causes, that's when you become a scammer. Yeah, Like,
if you're out there like as a journalist, like support
me so that I can keep being a journalist to

(01:18:31):
talk about these causes. And you can donate here or
you can like subscribe to my blog or whatever. That's
totally different than put money here to help Tamy or
Rise's family.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
But actually I want to take that right. It's lack
of transparency. Lack of transparency is the big thing. But
if Sean King.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Was ever transparent, everyone would see that all these funds
are not going where they're supposed to go. So twenty
twenty three, on October ninth, twenty twenty three, there was
a terrorist attack on a music festival in Israel, which
started the current conflict that is happening between Israel and Palestine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yes, that's not to say that there was ever any
like pause, and the conflict between them, it's been going
on for decades, escalated to a point that is just
fucking horrifying. Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
On October ninth, Now, the were Non family had two
members of their family, I believe, a mother and daughter
who had been kidnapped by Hamas because if you remember,
there was also several hostages reportedly there are still hostages.
I'm not getting into that right now, but there are

(01:19:47):
two specific hostages, Natalie Renan and her daughter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
That they were missing. They had been kidnapped by Hamas.
King said that he had been in contact with Ben Rennon,
which is Natalie's brother, okay, and helped get her get
her and her daughter out of Israel, Palestine and back home.

(01:20:16):
King said he was instrumental in bringing this woman home.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Okay. Her family was like, who the fuck are you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
King then tried to post like a series of screenshots
of like Ben had commented below a post of his
on Instagram asking for help, but he had done that
on several verified accounts, just trying to get someone to
talk to to listen to him about his sister.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Sure, and the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Of her family was like, we don't know who the
fuck this person is. He had nothing to do with
our with our family members coming home. He alleges that
Shawn Edgas sorry Saun alleges that he was instrumental in
bringing them home. I don't think he's ever said anything
to the contrary. He just basically says the family is
lying or that they just didn't really know what's going on.

(01:21:05):
In an attempt to clear his name, King posted a
long throat on both Twitter and Instagram with receipt slash
records of his conversations with Ben from October ninth until
one hour ago. I've talked, texted, and DMD with this
family nearly one hundred times today, though it's trending that
I made it all up. I am respected husband, father, leader,
grad student, and employee of multiple companies. I would never
make up any such thing. Doing so would throw my
whole life away. So more nicknames calling King everything from

(01:21:32):
Chaka khn to Tupac credit score.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Oh geez, he's so many nicknames.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Alexander Scamilton's my favorite. Though, social media users, many of
them African American, lamented what they felt was another example
of King benefiting from trauma and pain of marginalized communities
in crisis. Why can't Sean King just find a normal
nine to five which does not include acting as savior
of minorities. I'm sure there's a job description out there
that exists for him. Twitter user Iloma s said, so

(01:21:58):
he's getting a lot of negative attention and now and
then last year, reminder, this man started his grifting career
as a Christian pastor and that was like part of
his whole identity was that he was a pastor of
a church. Right a year ago, he converted to Islam. Okay, yeah,
that's a big jump. And he says it's because of

(01:22:20):
the ongoing Israel Palestine conflict.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
He was also a banned from Instagram and he says
it's because he was speaking out in favor of Palestine,
and some people were like kind of alarmed by that
because it's like, hey, he might be a scammer, but
he's he really being banned from Instagram for speaking out
against Palestine, right, And I'm here telling you that seems
unlikely considering how many pro Palestinian accounts there are on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
I'm not saying Meta is not doing shady shit about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
They absolutely are, but I don't think that was probably
the only reason that he was banned from Instagram and Meta.
It seems unlikely, Okay, that Sean King was only banned
from Meta because of that. I think he still has
a Facebook account, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.
I know he still has Twitter. Twitter is still what
he mostly uses, I mean, which I feel like is

(01:23:05):
a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
That's one of those things where it's like, at this point,
how do you even get banned from Twitter? How do
you get banned from Twitter? I don't know. I mean,
probably making fun of you on MOSK, Yeah, I mean,
he also has a verified Twitter account, which I'm pretty
sure at this point you can only get if you
pay for I'm not even there is not sure. I'm
not there. I don't know how that service works anymore.

(01:23:28):
I'm not there. But yeah, he uh sucks a lot.
I hate him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
He's still grifting about Palestine last I checked. Again, I'm
blocked from his shit. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Can I ask a question though? Because he said that
he brought receipts of him talking to the family. It
was so it's receipts he alleges happened. But the family
is like, this didn't happen, Like, you weren't talking to us.
He was talking to her brother. Uh huh. But just
because he was like dming her brother on Instagram doesn't
mean he was instrumental in bringing her home? Right? Did
we know the nature of what he was talking to

(01:24:01):
the brother about? Let me see if I can find
screenshots of the DM Sure. I'm fully willing to believe
that this man overstated his involvement, because it sounds like
that's the thing he does, is that he is involved
a little bit maybe, And then he says that he
was the reason it happened to begin with, Like, I
fully will believe that. I'm just curious, is like, is
are they alleging that he made up conversations are they

(01:24:24):
alleging that he was talking to the brother but like
never did anything substantive to actually help bring that family home.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
So the problem is all of all of the information
where he posted it on Twitter and Instagram. His Instagram
is deactivated and I can't access his Twitter I see,
He says.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
I tried to access it, like just as a signed
out user, and I can't. So let me hang on,
let me see if I can get like not did
derail you from your story? No, that's fine, I'm almost done.
So there's one that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Okay, that's a text message from her brother and it
just says, like in response to something that I don't see.
It says I appreciate that, we just want her back
to politics of it are bullshit. Sean replies, I know it,
and Ben says, thank you. I'm sorry to message you again.
Would you be willing to delete my comment? Now that
we are talking so people don't have my Instagram handle,
I'm starting to get hate messages and death threats. So

(01:25:22):
in these text messages, so he did actually end up
texting Ben. He's asking for updates from Ben, so he's
like checking in Ben any updates. Ben says nothing, yet,
and he replies, I'm pushing hard behind the scenes. We
don't have any proof.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Of what he said, Like this is just him saying.
He's saying that he's doing stuff, but there's no proof
that he actually did anything. He posted saying like she's missing,
oh and we need to bring her home. Right. Sure,
he's a media personality, but that seems to be the
extent of what he did. So once again in this
situation where he has done all thing and is claiming

(01:25:59):
to have ben and the sole reason for it happening,
or is claiming more than his fair share of credit
for what happened. Essentially, yeah, once again, it's the whole
thing where it's like we raised over two million dollars.
Actually you your part was like fifteen thousand, right, so yeah,
it really.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
So like he has these receipts of him texting her brother,
but there's no proof like, yeah, you texted her, have
you texted him? We have proof that you were conversing
with him. He was the whole family was conversing with
many people trying to bring her back home, right, But
there's no proof of you actually doing anything.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
There's no proof of in doing anything, and there's no
proof of him in conversing with any other member of
the family.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah, and he was like, behind the scenes, I was
talking to every person I know in Gaza trying to
get her freed. And I'm like, what context do you
have in Gaza right to make that happen? Like, what
is your network of people that you're saying that you
have this robust network of people that can help bring
hostages home?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Right? And also like, I don't know, it's just I
don't know, it's weird. He's misrepresented, he's misrepresenting the level
of involvement he had in the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, he's still around, He's still got his podcast, The Breakdown,
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Uh, he still posts on Twitter, not Instagram anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It's like, I don't know, he's just so fucking weird
that he's such a fucking grifter. I know for a fact,
before his Instagram got deleted when October ninth happened, he
was also fundraising for Palestine And I never saw it,
but a lot of people I follow did and we're like, hey,
Sean King's doing this shit again. We have no idea

(01:27:47):
where this money is going. Please do not donate to him,
because we don't know if any money he's raising is
actually going to go to Palestine, right, Like, we have
no proof of that, and everything that he has done
in the past says that not that alis Stein will
never see any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Money, regardless of his involvement with things or his like
claims about what community he is in, you know, like
his whether or not he has a secret black dad,
you know that kind of thing. Yeah, regardless of that,
it seems like the man has a track record of
lack of transparency and not fulfilling promises or not fulfilling

(01:28:23):
like misusing people's funds. He is committing fraud. And I'm
honestly from all this surprise that no one has sued
him for h yeah, I tried, but he is like, sure,
people have lawyers upon lawyers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Again, he's got a team of lawyers that are sending
out season desist letters.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
To people who he sees as.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Like defaming him. Huh so he's got a team of lawyers.
But yeah, I don't know anything about anyone. Like I
think Samaria Rice tried to sue him, and that was
the whole thing where it's like when she tried to
get the money that judge denied it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
It was like a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
So like, whatever he did with that money, it was
able to like, it was able to win in front
of a judge, was legally able to be denied to
be released to the family.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
So I don't know what the fuck happened there. Exactly
shady shit, for sure. I'm over here thinking, like, it's
possible that even though he claimed that it was for her,
that doesn't necessarily entitle her to it. Yeah, it could
be a situation, but I still do think that you
should be able to sue the man for fraud for
misrepresenting what the money was for. Yeah, if it's not

(01:29:27):
being given to her essentially. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
That is the very, very cliff Notes version of who
Sean King is as a person, Why you shouldn't trust him,
why you definitely shouldn't give him any of your money,
and why instead you should be supporting a whole bunch
of the black women who have called him out so
scam goddess. If you haven't listened to her, she's fucking incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I love her.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
She's so much fun to listen to. The Frodsters episodes
on shann King. I think they've done a couple episodes
like us updates on him too recently, but I haven't
listened to those. There's also Klaki Sha Kent, who you
can find her on Blue Sky now she left Twitter.
She's incredib She's an incredible journalist. She's done a lot
of different stories. Also Angry Black Lady Amani Gandhi, who
is incredible. I've been following her for years. I love

(01:30:07):
her so much. Yeah, just follow those women.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
They're incredible and I love them very good. Yeah, And
just to bring it around, we don't have proof that
he's involved in the Alt National Parks account, but we
don't who's so definitely like you know it rhymes, doesn't it.
I mean you were just bringing it up to sort
of like as an example of, yeah, the sort of scam,
because that's why I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Was like, oh, I should do a thing on liberal
scams or like left wing scams. But it was like
the biggest one is Sean King, Like that was what
it kept coming back to. And I'm like, I know
I've talked to you before about wanting to talk about
him but not really knowing how to approach it as
a white woman, and I figure just doing this kind
of like really quick summary of who he is as
a person and leading you to other people who have

(01:30:53):
done way more research than I have on it. Fair
is the best way to do it, very fair, especially
because I believe this is one of those things that
it's possible our listeners may have been subjected to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I definitely was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
I thought he was a trusted source of information for
many years on Twitter until you know, I started broadening
my horizons and listening to more people, and then I
was like, oh, he's shitty as shit, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Very good. Well, thank you, Chelsea. I definitely my takeaway
from this is definitely to like be skeptical of everyone
you're giving money to to a certain extent, like not
necessarily stop giving money, but you know, look into people. Yeah,
look into.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
People, look in the you make sure there's transparency and
whatever that you're donating to, so that you know exactly
where the funds are going and it's not just like
donate money here and then you don't know where what
happens to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
It after that. This is also a good thing. I
think we've spoken about this before when they're we talked about,
for instance, people who were fundraising for families that are
in Gaza. Yeah, they're just in Powisig in general. We've
talked about that in the podcast before, and we've given
the advice of like check who who is creating the fundraiser. Yeah,
like the fundraiser should be created either by a person

(01:32:05):
who is in the family or the person who needs
help directly, or somebody who has proof that they are
in direct contact with this person. Yeah. Apparently people in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Gaza cannot make these fundraisers because the I mean right,
One because a lot of them probably don't have access
to a steady connection. But also two because apparently GoFundMe
is just like not allowing anyone with an IP address
based there, Right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
There's a lot of people who are fundraising on behalf
of others who have proof that they are in contact
with that person. Yes, and have proof that it's like, Hi,
I am doing this on behalf of so and so person.
Here is all of the correspondence I have with them.
Against that level of transparency.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
There's this woman I follow a weirdo book club on YouTube,
and she has a friend who's Palestinian whose family was
stuck in Gaza, and she was sponsoring a fundraiser for
her family for her friend's family and she's like, this
is my friend, Like, I can vouch for this fundraiser.
If you donate X amount of money, I'm going to review.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
This terrible book. So look, and that fundraiser made it,
and she's going to review the terrible book. And I
can't wait. It's the new HD Carlton book about the
shark people. Oh oh fine. But it's just one of
those things again where when you are trying to give
your money, there are people out there, regardless of who
and why and what, who will try and take advantage

(01:33:24):
of people's goodwill, and you, as the person who is
giving your time and effort in money, are kind of
in the position where you have to be responsible for
making sure that the whoever you're giving it to will
fulfill those you know, those those promises that they've made. Yeah,
and it could be something is like, it's the same
advice for even just like a kickstarter you're backing, where

(01:33:47):
it's like, hey, does this seem legit? Yeah, you gotta
be skeptical.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Here's my question to you after all of this, and
this is what I'm curious about. Do you think Sean
King is just like a through and through absolutely scam
or doing all of these things to scam or do
you think there is this level of like I'm putting
in the work, I deserve this money for myself, so
I'm going to be kind of shady about it, but

(01:34:11):
I'm still doing a good thing. Like, do you think
when it comes down to it, he still believes that
he's doing good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I do think that because this speaks to me, and
this is a thing a emblematic of a lot of
people who are doing this kind of grift where if
you are doing advocacy in some way or no, just
scrap that whole thing. If you are scamming people, there
is a justification for it. Yeah, whatever justification you have.

(01:34:40):
Oftentimes people scamming is their justification is like, well I
deserve it more. Yeah. Oftentimes the justification is like, well,
like you know, this person was a bad person anyway,
like or they were stupid to believe this anyway, So
it's like it's a victimless crime or for whatever reason.
There are very few people, I would say, who are

(01:35:00):
scamming people and are like, oh no, yeah, I know
I'm scamming people and they don't deserve it, but I
don't care. Yeah, I don't exist, but I think exist.
But I think the majority of people who are in
that position are justifying it to themselves in some way
and making it out that their actions are okay for
whatever reason they could think of. And I do think

(01:35:21):
in this instance, especially considering that there is a track
record of him coming forward and saying I was instrumental
in doing this, I think to a certain extent he
believes that. Yeah, I think to a certain extent, Like, again,
I know very little about this man. I'm not a
member of the community who is qualified to speak on it.
But based on the information that you have given me today,

(01:35:41):
it does sound like a situation where he to some
extent believes that he is doing a good thing purely
by getting the word out. He has a platform. And
the thing is that's not wholly incorrect, because if you
have a large platform and you are using it to
even in this situation of being like, hey, this bad
things happen, I'm gonna put some attention on that there

(01:36:02):
is a slight benefit to the world and you doing that,
you know, because you are mobilizing people to do good things.
Now that it's outweighed in the sense that like he's
raising money for people and then not giving it to them.
He's taking advantage of other people's tragedy to benefit himself.
But I can very much see him thinking, well, I'm

(01:36:25):
still doing good, like I'm putting the work, and I
deserve this money because like, yeah, he may even think like, oh,
I'm kind of I can use this to my advantage,
this this tragedy to my advantage. But I do think
he's justifying it by saying that he is drawing more
attention to this, he is helping in some small way.

(01:36:50):
I think that that's the situation. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
I think he has deluded himself into thinking that whatever
ill he has done, by hiding where his funds go,
I think ultimately he believes that most of what he's
doing is good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Yeah. Yeah, And and it's one of those things where
like we've talked about a lot of people who have
done scams and that whole thing of like promising and
then never delivering. There's X y Z reasons, there's a
million and whatever reasons why the thing didn't work out.
And I do think that people who go through that

(01:37:28):
to a certain extent, like they know that they're never
intending to get people the money anyway, but they kind
of believe a little bit of it, you know, like
they lie to themselves as much asy wight to other people. Yeah,
that's my thought. That's it. It's all I got on
Sean King today. Mom, I want to know more. I've
given you all of the resources. Go out there and
find it. There's a lot of people who are smarter

(01:37:49):
than me, who've done way more research. It sounds like
there's some very good content creators that we're repping today. Yeah,
or not repping, but recommending, that's the better word. Thank you, Chelsea.
We're going to move on to the last section of
today's podcast, which is correspondence and corrections. But first let's
have another brief word from our sponsors. So let's start

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The whole thing with the Panama Canal was in the
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(01:38:35):
Did we ever talk about the Panama papers on this podcast,
we did talk about the Panama papers that came out
when I talked about Lava Jatto. Oh yeah, I think
we did. I do an episode about the Panama papers.
I might have died. I like feel like we have,
but I don't remember. I can quickly look this up.
Hold on, I did. I explicitly did an episode about
the Panama papers, which was episode two or four. Okay,

(01:38:55):
so it's been a while. It has been a while.
I remember that we talked about though. Yeah, yeah, I
like to what and depth have we talked about them?
And it was me over here. I did mention them
for Operation Lavazato also, so like it's it's all there, all,
it's all there, But yes, please continue. Nothing to do
with the Panama Canal.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
World War two.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Start data is more contentious, and some people started on
September first, nineteen thirty nine, which was the German invasion
of Poland, and others say that Japan's attacks on China
in nineteen thirty one are the real opening shots. Then
there are dumbass Americans who think it started uper a
Harbor Day morons. Yeah, No, that was just the start
of America's involvement.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Yes, the war was going on for quite a while
before then. Yeah, I do remember, because we were originally discussing,
like I mentioned, when we were discussing in my section
my episodes before this, how Nagasawa Kanye doesn't really have
involvement in World War One. Yeah, and we were discussing
like when did World War One start? I'm not surprised

(01:39:53):
that we may have gotten the dates wrong with that,
but yee, that's all it's. And then the US is
also very hesitant to get involved in those wars, even
when we maybe should have been involved earlier in those wars.
Possibly it's because the US kind of agreed with Hiller
for World War two. Yeah, world War One, Yeah, it
was different. Yeah, yeah, but that's not today's podcast. We

(01:40:18):
also have some emails email, thank you. Can you read
me an email about ghost tours? Oh, I'd love to Chelsea.
So this is from Matt. Matt and it says, hello, Christina, Chelsea,
and mal thank you for normalizing folks enjoying ghost tours.
My coworkers would give me an obscene amount of side

(01:40:40):
eye when I told them that I enjoyed taking ghost
tours when I travel the tours often take place late,
so they're they're a nice way to see a city
safely in the evening. That's also another Yeah, that's another
part of that, because like, yeah, a ghost tour, you
can it's it's usually like a walking tour around a
city area at night and you're with a group of people. Yeah,
and you feel you feel a little secure in that. Yeah.
I haven't thought about that angle of it, but that

(01:41:01):
is true. That is true. I like that. And it's
like we don't even believe in ghosts, but it's like
they're fun, they're fine. And then Mac goes on, I've
learned really important historical notes about cities that daytime walking
tours won't talk about. As an example, I took a
ghost tour in Munich. During the tour, the group was
directed into an alley with a bronze path of cobblestones.
Our ghost guide then explained the history of the path

(01:41:22):
that had been that it had been a root Germans
took when they refused to salute at a nearby Nazi monument.
Nothing woo woo. The significance was just clearly presented. The
following day, I took a normal walking tour of the
city again. I found myself in the alley, but the
historical guide said nothing about the location and just kept moving,
kept googroup moving, And that is referencing Deserter's Alley in Munich.

(01:41:44):
That's neat. That is neat. I've had a similar experience
when I was in I think of spoken about the
ghost So I took in Edinburgh before Yeah, where like
a tour of the city mentioned like oh yeah, cool locations,
mentioning the Children's Museum in Edinburgh, and then I took
a ghost tour and they were like, oh yeah, here's
the Children's Museum's history with the plague. And I'm like, oh,

(01:42:07):
I would not have learned about that and other places.
But Matt Cans continues as a ps. I don't have
any pets to pay the tax. I usually listen to
your podcast will Painting Minis. So here's a pick of
the last unit I finish while binging your podcast. I
figure three enjoyed the nerdy arts we do. Are these
warhammer I think they are? Is this your warhammer minis? Matt, Yeah,

(01:42:28):
we have paints uh D and D minis, Yes, very cool.
Jen loves a D and D Mini. They're very good.
At it. Shout out to our friend Jen, What's what's there?
Do you remember? I don't remember. We're we're bad friends
for not remembering their Instagram account of mini don't update
their Instagram account because I know I folwed them at
one point. They might not be doing it as much anymore. Yeah,

(01:42:49):
but these are good minis, Matt. I like how the
metallic colors are working on here, the purples you got
going on? Yeah, very good, excellent work. Anyway, I do another,
we can do Yeah, you can do at least one
more because we have another one from Krono. This is
a shorty which is just entitled correspondence Shalom Chelsea Christina

(01:43:10):
mal and you're wonderful for babies. Okay, Okay, I have
serious epin thank you, Okay beef with the claim that
this Ohio University being one of the most haunted. This
is in reference to an episode Chelsea did that Mao
insert here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Yeah, and that would be episode two ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
This is back in March. I will not stand for this.
Cape Town has way more haunted locations by comparisons, like
the Castle of Good Hope that this list by these
surveys overlook, and so does somewhere anywhere across Sweden, so
much more so than we even go back to our
ghost program, or so much so that we even get

(01:43:46):
our own ghost program back in the nineties of how
would I pronounce it? Spookar DIBt spookar. Maybe this is
gonna be horrific. I'm so sorry Crono to prove it.
And then there is a link to a YouTube video
or channel presumably hold on, I can open this and
find out presumably of debt Spookar. Yes, yes, it is.
It's the first episode. Oh, dear spoogye swedienh Swedish. Well

(01:44:11):
it's a sweetish sw Yes, that would make sense, that
would make sense. But no, I fully I remember this
episode and being like, that's so not hot, Like, what
do you mean who's saying this is the most haunted?
I want to see their credentials. That's fair. This is
signed Crono, one of Bummersville Resident Gremlins and archivist and
Bumbersville Queer Creative Arts Archive, and proud member of the

(01:44:32):
Bummersville Genre Film Club, Bummersville Horror An Exploitation Film Club,
and the Bummersville Sharks Society. Crono, you are you get
around the city of Bombersville. You got you got your
fingers in so many pies here. Yeah. Ps, I found
Mal's Moldovian twin, Pasha Parfenni, the guy who represented Moldovia
in Eurovision Song Contest twenty twenty three. I can see

(01:44:54):
it this video. I can't view it because I'm American. Gosh,
dang it. I'm looking at the pictures. I can see it.
You can see mel Yeah, all right, I'll trust you.
I can't see it. One. I can't see the pictures. Oh,
are they attached to the email? Yeah? Outlook, I hate outlook.
I can see it. Yeah. I don't know if I
would call them this man males twin, but definitely a relative. Yeah,

(01:45:17):
for sure, they're related. They could be. They could be related.
I don't know they're not actually related, but the resemblance
is there. Yeah, for sure. Thank you, Crono, Thank you,
And I'm with you on that. There's so many better
haunted places there are. I'm just I'm repeating what the
research showed me, and I'm not saying that you are
making this claim. Yeah, I'm mad at whoever is doing

(01:45:39):
these surveys. I'm saying that they're wrong. I think that's fair. Yeah.
All right, Well that's all we got for you today, listeners.
We will be back next week with another episode. I
presume we mind doing something some in meantime listening to
Scam Goddess. Yeah, that's a good shout out. If you
have something that you wish to send to us, If

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you have some rec mandations for good other content that
you think we enjoy consuming, please feel free to send
that to us. You can be reached via our email
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C podcast, or you can go to our patreon if

(01:46:19):
you feel like generous. I mean, we love you regardless
of whether you do or don't. But that exists. We do,
we do what we say we're going to do. On
the patreon, we're we're not. Well, here's the thing. We
did promise to give people some things and then didn't
with the truth. I gotta call us out for that
because there was a period of time where we had
certain tiers where we were offering things and then those

(01:46:40):
didn't come to fruition. Because we did not have the
ability to do so that's true, and we eventually did acknowledge, Hey,
we can't maintain that, and so we're going to take
this tier away. We're apologizing to you, and et cetera,
et cetera. Sure, so, like when the first iteration of
part of the Paranormal stopped happening, did refund people who
had paid to recommend books. So I just want to

(01:47:03):
call us out on that. That's fair. But patreon dot
com slash cult conspiracies, and yes, we did refund people,
or you can be sometime in the future, probably not.
I was gonna say maybe sometime in the future we
can actually do things, but probably not. Hey, Bud, Yeah,
we gotta be realistic. We got to turn a mirror
on ourselves and none of my promises we can't keep.

(01:47:23):
That's fair. That's fair. I would like to we'd love
to do things, yeah, but we don't. If we win
the lottery. If I win the lottery, I'm not gonna
tell people, but there will be signs. There will be
we will have all of the life size evolution pillows.
That's that's what it is for you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Yes, yes, that is your wealth measurement that's indicatory enough
to house them.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Okay, okay, that's that's more. I was gonna say, if
everything is the same, but you have the life size
evolutions this house anyway. We also what's the Patreon sorry,
Patreon dot com slash cult Scripteds conspiracies or we have
a website where you can go where everything is linked
FORR convenience, which is cult scriptedsconspiracies dot com. Or as

(01:48:08):
Chelsea said, you can go listen to the Scam Goddess podcast. Yeah,
or Frodsters is fun. There's a lot of good ones.
It sounds like good ones. Do not listen to Sean
King's podcast very good. Fuck that man. We'll be back
next week. Good Bye Chelsea, Bye Christina, Bye mel I
can still hear his voice.

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