Episode 411: Atrocity Comes

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hi, Christina. Hey, Chelsea, Hey, now while we're doing this, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You're here in the room. We're addressing you.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm so comfortable to Min's here. Also, was so excited
she'll probably drop her cruncher.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Minna is super excited to see Christina because it's been
a hot minute. It's been a hot man.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Last episode is four ten. I believe this is episode
four eleven.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
We believe we actually recorded an episode that never got released.
We did, Yeah, I think so, because you had a
part one and I don't think we ever edited and
released it.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh yeah, well I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I also don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's fine. I feel like, well why but I feel
like that week was a fever dream.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yes, yes, a.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Lot of things occurred. There was.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Let well, we'll just hop right into addressing like this interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, go, welcome to cold Scripts conspiracy. Yes, here we
are at the what do they call it? When the
president goes up to this place and there's like newspeople
and they're like they have press conferences, conspiracies press conference
in Barbersville, not really a.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Press conference because no one. So it's like an address.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, we're releasing a statement.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, but the press conferences means press is there. We
could be the press. Yeah, we heard our own press. Weird.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
This is going to be a rambling state. It's not
really statement. We're just here to have this episode. The
purpose of it is to talk about the fact that, yeah,
we have been gone for a hot minute, talk about why,
how our lives are.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Going definitely longer than I wanted to, but a lot
of things have happened.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
A lot of things. Also talk about what we missed,
which good news, totally nothing happened in the last half
of twenty twenty five, so we're good. Yeah, we're fine.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I bet there's someone who's listening is like, I missed
Chelsea's snarkiness. I missed when Chelsea was.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Just like yeah, and then if we can get there
where we will be, what we will be doing going forward?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see how long all of this takes listen. Well,
I mean, not many to split this because there's a
you know, snarkiness aside. There was a ton of shit
that happened in the latter half of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's just fine with me. But I know you're also
waiting on a call from the VET.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
I am waiting on a call from the VET just
to check out.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
There's a hard cut.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, yeah, listener, if you just listen to Christina getting
up and leaving and then I got to go pick
up a cake and Chelsea, I.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Just keep talking. Yeah, now we'll just continue later. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, I think that we should cover the podcast specific
stuff first.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
To get out of the way.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, because we don't know how long the deeper dive
into what has been going on in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, because there's a podcast, there's us in the world,
so podcast wise, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
We still exist. We still exist here.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
We love meaning we still have talking about stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's twenty twenty six. Hello, welcome to the new year.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh my, it is directly like the second Yeah, I think,
and obviously anyone who's here can correct me. We love
doing this and we love doing things that are fun
for us. And I don't see us entirely stopping the podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah that is. Yeah, that's a conversation that that chelse
Andre were having last time we chatted, and that we
needed to. Yeah, I'm good. We can all wrope each
other in. Yes, exactly, because there have been some fairly
significant changes and I think that this is part of
the broader context in why like talking about the podcast,
we got to talk about.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Our lives and how they change.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
So all of us went through some fairly big life
events in the latter half of last year.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Cat do we want to go chronologically or by persons chronological? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Why do we go chronologically?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Because it started in we well, was it in August
or September?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
That we August? August? Okay, so I'll kind of lightly
start do.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
We didn't mention the podcast that we knew anything June either, Well.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
No, we didn't say that's yeah. So at the end
of June of twenty twenty five, Mal and I found
out that I was pregnant and we were very excited.
We wanted to be parents. We told Christina I like
immediately too. So for all of July we have like
episodes we recorded. There's actually a whole parlor that I
have not edited that needs to go out. We July

(04:24):
was great. July was a great month. And then and
then August fourth, I got laid off from my job,
which sucked.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Hard, which kind of started the Urns year for all
of us.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
So I got laid off from my job, and we
were like, hey, maybe we should pause on the podcast.
We did end up we we took a week off
and I was like, I think it can record an episode,
And we did record an episode that I don't think
was released. I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure we know.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I'll look forward it.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, and then literally the day so there's two weeks
after I got laid off, and the day after we
recorded that episode, Malan, I found out that I miscarried
and that was fucking devastating.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, and I do want to be clear for the
all the things we talked about, where you know, it's
been months and we obviously have seeked our own inner
circles and help here and there. Yeah, we are not
saying these things for hope that you'll email us or
something and be like, oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, we're
living our lives. We've passed it, were moving forward in
our life.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
It was just at the time, it was a very
difficult blow. It was something that you had to grapple with.
It was something that you needed to.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Just felt like being punched repeatedly in August, especially.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Considering that you also were trying to find work at
the same time, because you had just been laid off.
So that was a very intensely stressful time for both
of you.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, and then in your household and for both of
us in our household. I have my event in September,
but wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Well, the last thing that happened in August was I
did have the DNC, which is which is an abortion.
It's medically an abortion because the miscarriage didn't pass that really,
which was less like less of a deal than I
thought it would be. Like they gave me oxy in
order for the pain and I never had to take it.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, but literally the day, So this will go into
your thing because the day I came home, the day
I had the procedure, it took half an hour. I
came home now got a call from his mom. That's right.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
It was the fucking same day.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, August into September was a very bad time for
all and Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
So I'd like to talk about but before I.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do, and you can take your time with that, Yeah,
I know, I will.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I can't remember the time because again, everything once September
hit for us, my life pretty much spiled out of control.
I stopped being able to really communicate with people. I
disappeared from discord is for it, from basically every one's life,
just because I really just couldn't hang. I don't recall.
The exact time for what happened for youris October October.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, everything kind of happened chronological. I mean, I can
talk about my stuff first if you want to to.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So September came around, and.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It was like the second of September.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right at the end of August, I got a call
from my mom the same day as the DNC. I
believe it just ended, and we're having a lot of
really mixed and heavy emotions, exhausted emotions, which just continued
for the entire tay.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
My question for my Obi immediately after the procedure was
when can we try again?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
The whole office was incredibly proud of us. Yeah, it
was just a really hard process.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Myobi is a saint.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
A lot of the attendants there, I don't want to
call them nurses because I don't think that's what they're called.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I think their nurses. I think I think so because
I think they go it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, one of these last times that you were separated
from me, I think till I go to the bathroom something.
They were telling us how they were really sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh, they're very sweet.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
They're very sweet.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
They're very sweet.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
During the dance, I got I'll call my mom. My
dad was in the hospital. As a primer, my dad,
my dad.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Has passed away.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, my dad was in his fifties. He had cancer.
He was a cancer survivor. But then obviously cancer comes back.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah he can, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
He again. It was a cancer sriver the first time.
He had chemo and all of that jazz, and he
would have blood transfusions all the time. And at the
same time, my dad was diabetic. So being diabetic makes
every procedure complicated because it may not heal, your blood
may just not take to it, or your body's natural
defense systems just stop working at certain points.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
He lost a couple of toes over his life.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
He lost a couple of toes, not specifically during twenty
twenty five, just right in his life, cancer came back.
We learned twenty twenty four in May. It had actually
come back in January, but Dad just hadn't have to
say anything till May, which I was really pissed about.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Now, that was your dad, and that was my dad.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Parents are like that sometimes. My mom in the same way.
She doesn't tell me anything.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
From May twenty twenty four all the way till his
passing in September twenty twenty five was a just descending
slope of I just can't say it any other way,
but suffering. He had to start going on special medications.
He didn't want to do chemo anymore. And I would
like to say I'm sad, but the entire time I'm
sad about it. But the entire time, he thought he

(09:09):
was going to get up and go back to work,
and that really tore us apart. He was very specific
about where he knew this was going, and it was
not where it did end up. And I don't think
it was until the end he really realized that, like
he's not leaving the hospital.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
He really internalized it.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, So that day we got that call, I told
work that made a weekend. I went by myself to
see my family. I saw my dad at the hospital.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
This was Labor Day weekend.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
This was Labor Day weekend. I spent four or five
days I can't remember, with my family and with Celest.
Shoutouts to Celest, my best friend in the world, and
I hung out with my dad. I hung up with
the dad in the hospital. We all did, my brother
and our entire family, My brother and his wife and
Ki had moved back from Texas finally during the during

(09:55):
like may or the summer of twenty twenty five to two, so.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, my sister in law and me. He moved back
fairly quickly after the election because they were scared to
be in Texas because that's right, that's Latina.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
And then Alex moved back early twenty twenty five. But anyway,
we were all there, and we were at Kaiser, which
my dad was a radiologist, so he actually worked in
pumping people with radiation by choice, not like supervillain style,
and so he knew everyone there and he would constantly
get people like every ten minutes like who worked at
the hospital, being like, oh, I came down from this floor.

(10:27):
I just wanted to say you. These people would come
up and be like you changed my life. Oh to
my dad, they'd be like, it's because of you. I
have a career, it's because of you, I have a passion.
It's because of you that I'm married. And the thing is,
these people who we'd never met would look at both
an Alex and I'd be like, Oh, here's your son's malacan Alex.
You told us so much about them, and I'm just like,
I don't know who you are.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The one thing I want to say about my father
in law is when he found out that cancer had
come back, he went like fucking all in on being
a spokesperson for the Kaiser Union to get more and
more hospitals under a contract of the union. He traveled
in order to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
He traveled up and down the state. He condored people
in parking lots to tell them about the union. It
was I'm very proud of my dad, and he was
the kind of person who taught me that you move forward,
how to do that, And being someone who didn't raise
up with it, who was not raised with the father
figure at all, being adopted by him and my mother
as an adult and learning all those lessons, this is
really hard. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course it was

(11:25):
in the hospital, and I don't want to get into
too too much detail because hospital stuff can be gross
for some people. But he had two fatal issues other
than cancer and diabetes. One was his leg and one
was his brain. Basically, the medical issues that were happening
to have made it that way. If they tried to
solve one issue, the other issue would turn fatal. So
there was nothing we could do. The hospital pretty much

(11:46):
knew ahead of time as we arrived that like this
is it pretty much right. But the way that it
works in the hospital for when you have like consent
for like forms and stuff like that, like do not
to take stuff like that, if the patient is still
what's the word I'm looking for, then they get to

(12:06):
make the decision. And Dad was ninety percent of the time.
It wasn't until pretty much the last day before the
day before when he stopped being lucid. So the whole
time he's being lucid, though, he's like, I don't want
to be resuscitated because it's not going to happen, And
he was very much against anything because he was going
to get up and leave the hospital right and then

(12:28):
it wasn't just the last day then. So after being
in the hospital for about five days, I just had
to go. I just really couldn't do it anymore. So
I talked to my family and that was fine.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I talked to him flipping to a coma like right
after you left, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, I had a conversation with my dad right beforehand.
I said goodbye and we said we love each other,
and it was really you know. I went home and
then I learned I think it was within like four
days my dad passed away. Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I just remember. I just remember, because he slipped into
a coma pretty soon, like within hours after you left. Yeah,
and I remember Alex, your brother, calling and being like,
that's right, he's gonna he's gonna pass within the next
twenty four hours. And then he didn't, And you and
Alex had a laugh about it because you're like, fucking

(13:21):
stubborn ass. Dad won't die when they say he's gonna die,
Like it took forty eight hours.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Because also the first day we got to the hospital,
the hospital was also like I think today's the day,
and it was like a week and a half later.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Anyway, he was like, nah, no, it was something I'd
like to say that again, I'm not looking for any condolences.
And I had to publicly tell a lot of people
that I met at like work or in public, being like,
don't talk to me about this, because I personally really
disliked thed have people telling me that they're sorry, because
I don't think you in general people of the public

(13:55):
know what this feels like. Yeah, I know a lot
of people lose people to cancer, and cancer is I
really do feel like the worst disease in the world.
But I'm really happy that my dad's not suffering. Yeah,
that's just that's what I feel a lot.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I mean, I know that there are a lot of
people that have they're like, maybe not necessarily people that
we know, but there's people in the world who have
been in similar situations for sure, and worse absolutely, and
it's it's always so difficult to lose a parent. I
obviously am very lucky in that I have not experienced that,
But I think that the majority of people when they're
expressing condolences aren't so much like trying to say like, oh,

(14:30):
I know what that's like. It's more that they're trying
to be sympathetic express that they care about you. Yeah,
as a person, you know, and like I get it's
definitely not being something you going to talk about and
you don't have to talk about any more of it
that you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
But it's it's one of those things where it's like.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm sure that our audience who knows of you and
wishes you well, would you know, just want to express
in some way that they care about you. Yeah, which
is not to say that you have to read emails
to that effect.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I appreciate you listeners, and I appreciate those of you
come back for today's episode after all on hiatus because
bad things really happened during the year, and the thing
is with the baby, with the Chelsea's job, with my dad. Yeah,
the year really just didn't get better.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
No, And it was like towards the end of September,
I actually reached out to Christina and I was like
trying to insert some normalcy into our lives. And I
was like, do you want to start the podcast again?
And then you were like, well no.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Because I might lose my job.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
So on the scale of yeah, I also was laid off.
This was something that had a little bit more build
up to it than I think Chelsea's. No mine was
just like all of a sudden, Yeah, yours is very abrupt.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
For Chelsea as it was so media that since I'm
on the IT team, I know when people get laid
off or put to pasture, but they couldn't tell me
because we're legally married, right, So that was also a
weird that same day because Chelsea I do, was pregnant
that same day when I heard that she was laid off,
I told my boss I can't be here anymore, and
I rushed home because I was afraid that she was

(16:08):
going to miscarriage.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Which I think at that point actually it was.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
But yeah, yeah, unrelated, that's not why.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yeah, for me, what ended up happening was a long,
ongoing budgetary issue. For some of our listeners may be
where I used to work for Jeffer Posham Laboratory NASA JPL,
which is not a direct government agency but is a
research and development it's funded. It's funded by the government.

(16:36):
NASA is JPL's primary and sometimes sole customer, and the
vast majority of their budget, almost entirely all of their
budget comes from NASA, something that they're working on changing now.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, a little too late.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
But because of administrative priorities AKA this administration doesn't believe
in climate change, they and also hate science. They have
been systematically cutting various science programs.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That was affecting the lab.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
It was canceling projects, it was diminishing the budget, and
there were writing always on the wall for a very
long while that there was going to be layoffs.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
There survived like five rounds.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
I think three, Okay, I think there were three layoffs
that I made it through over the course of the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And I remember you like metaphorically biting your nails each time.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, because it was very difficult, because it was very
much like a sense of like impending doom always it was.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It was a feeling on the lab of.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Being on the chopping block, and that that was something
that sucked for morale, Like everybody, everybody was very unhappy
because we never knew when we were going to get
cut or if the project you were working on that
you'd been pouring your heart and soul into was going
to get cut.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
And that sucked a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Layoff happened.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
We were aware it was going to happen, we didn't
know when the administration was very tight lipped. There was
a lot of build up to it. Like I said,
like rumors were swirling. The freaking JPL read it came
like a weird hub telling Yeah, the JPL subred it
became a very weird hub because people were going on
and leaking stuff that they had heard at meetings onto
the JPL subreddit anonymously and so like they were predicting

(18:12):
days when announcements would happen, in days when lafs would happen,
like weeks in advance before any administrative people with any
said anything. So we were told that it was likely
going to be on a certain time in October and
ended up being October fourteenth.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And I was one of like five hundred something people
who were echo from.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
The lab, which sucked ass obviously not to the extent
of like a family member dying or a miscarriage, but
it still sucks.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
No, No, I mean, do you mention you mentioned in
Penning doom. It's just like that is the feeling. I
think that became the end of the year for all
of us.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
For me, it was very difficult because I will admit
that it had been something that had been affecting mental
health for a long time beforehand. I was living in
a state of like low key anxiety for several months,
And I mentioned I talked off Mike to my friends
and loved ones about the fear of being laid off
a lot. Yeah, yeah, and the situation with the layoffs

(19:11):
like a lot because it was. It was something that
loomed very large in my mind, and so it was.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was a very weird because we both were laid off,
but our situations like I had no idea, I have
never because it's like yours was like super abrupt. I
had been through layoffs at IGN before and they had
never touched my department, and then all of a sudden
I was being laid off.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And then with Christina, because I do remember you being
here visiting recording episodes and then before we'd hit records
talking about how like the JAP or how strusted you were.
I think at very very first we Chelsea and I
did notice it and knew, you know, kind of what
it might have been. But it became very clear very quickly, Yeah,
what it was that was bothering you?

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, And it was something then because I had made
it through three rounds of layoffs, I had kind of
like was hoping that I would make it through this one. Yeah,
but that was not the case, and that was very
difficult for me, considering JPL was the job that I
wanted to retire doing.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Essentially, who retires in jobs? Who has a job long
enough to retire in it?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Who retires, who who retires not gonna be our generation.
But what ended up happening was I'm very similar to Chelsea.
I had I think a day or two of just
being inconsolable, and then the freaking job hunt scramble began,
which for me was weeks of applications, weeks of interviews.

(20:31):
For aerospace, that tends to be about like three four
round interviews or tests.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
It's there were a lot of like design tests.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Just remember you like putting your outfits up and being
like is this appropriate for a mixer?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I had Freako went to job mixers, which is insane
because I've never done that before.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I don't know if it was the same for your
brand of the work in the world, but for Chelsea's
when we went if we would go to bars where
there were people in post production, but no one would
have any drinks and the bartender was upset because they
knew were all broke. Yeah, and the.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Problem is my industry is fucked right now.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
See I was going to aerospace startup mixers and they
got the money.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, there was one I went to.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
I won't say the name, but it was it's a
venture No, it's not venture capital. It's privately backed. There's
a bitcoin bro who is starting his own kind of
like vanity space startup, and they were hosting a mixer
at a bar nearby that I went to in the
hopes of like mingling and maybe getting a job. Did
not end up getting a job there, but they paid
for everyone's drinks and they also paid for like snacks

(21:32):
and everything, so like they're providing everything.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Like it was it was open bar.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Basically for the period of the mixer.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Me who does not drink, just had like a bunch
of sholly temples, but was still yeah, I'm not gonna
say not a free shirly temple and like fully loaded fries.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Hell yeah, I'll go to that.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'll get free whatever for that. But yeah, So that
was multiple weeks.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Where every day I was doing like two three interviews
a day, having to drive across town. And it was
also incredibly stressful because I I'm sure that you guys
campathize I find the interview process like incredibly stressful.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's so stressful. Yeah, I think for a lot of
interviews I did before I worked my IT job, very much,
I did get I remember I had an interview with
one guy downtown where I drove down there, I had
to pay for parking, got in, and the guy was
like immediately, was just like, and I just want to
let you know this probably is gonna fit. And I
was like, okay, well you know what's the issue. And
he's like, well, I just took a look at you,
and I didn't think it was the right thing wyeah,

(22:25):
And I responded and he was just he asked me,
what do you think about that? Which was the wrong
to thing to ask you because I just fucking let
him have it. I didn't yell, but I was like,
I think that we currently live in a system where
jobs are a resource that are hoarded and not given
to certain people because they want to keep us down.
And I had this conversation with that guy just about
my deep political feelings about it and how money just

(22:48):
is a shackle on humanity, and he was just like, yeah, yeah,
you're definitely not a right fit.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
I was just like, okay, fuck, there's some employers right
now who are incredibly predatory, yeah, and who will take
advantage of you, and that's just the capitalist system.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Thankfully, I have gotten a new job.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I have Yeah, you've got a new job. You've got
a new job.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You've got some contract works.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I'm oh, yeah, so I was. I was gonna lead
into It's like the end of last year seemed to
be looking up for us, Like November December seemed to
be looking at for us. Yes, I am back freelancing
like I was when we first started this podcast. I'm
doing vertical dramas now, which is hilarious, kind of fun. Honestly,

(23:32):
I'm glad, Yeah, doing vertical dramas as well as I
have other clients that I do stuff for and I'm
having I'm having fun. It's it. Most of my career
has been freelancing. But it was nice having a staff
job for three years and not having to worry about stuff.
It is like getting back into that grind of like
constantly looking for work and stuff. It's definitely something that

(23:55):
I need to like re strengthen. Yeah, it is to
be fair where I tend to thrive. And there was
this sense of like after I started getting back into
it and getting jobs again, I realized I had become
rather stagnant at ign because I was so comfortable there.
So it is nice. I'm getting back. I'm doing scripted content,

(24:15):
which is always what I wanted to do. Even though
it's vertical dramas, like fuck it, it's still stuff that
millions of people watch. Yeah, and it's scripted content, so
and it pays decently, So like, yeah, it's nice to
be back into that mindset. And it's fine now because
I still have health assurance. That's the big one, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
But yeah, it was definitely ayar, it was a year,
it was a half year.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Sure, it was a time for sure, and all of
us are I think, you know, we've come out of
our personal struggles, maybe not like one hundred percent, but
feeling better.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah. Mal's given me several faces. He's kind of like, yeah,
therapy has been hard.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I can definitely understand that.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
I mean, when it comes to like g loss and
grief on that scale, that is a longer timetable of
like getting back to.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
A sense of normalcy quote unquote.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You know, I was having the conversation with a therapist
and I don't mind having it here. I'm not the
same person I was before, and I actually don't expect
to be.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I don't know what only any of us are the
same people we were in like July.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, I don't know what normal was. I can't I
really can't even remember. All I know is that my
life is different now.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, and the.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Feelings I have and the goals we've made and the
new progress we've made with work and things like that
do make me happy, but I'm looking at them as
a different person.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, and there is this sense that there are still
changes ahead of us.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, there are big life changes that are going to
be happening for me within like two days, because I
at the time recording. I start my job in three
days from now. But that's going to be a very
big It's a different part of the town. I'm going
to have to change my schedule around. I'm going to
have to be commuting more. It's going to be a
big time suck on my life. And so that's something

(26:00):
that I'm going to have to figure out. Mant to
start waking up at five am.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hate that a lot. We talked about we may be
doing more virtual records like we used to when we
started this podcast and we were living in two different
parts of the state. We also were talking about how
just doing the research that we try and hold ourselves
to for this podcast is difficult. That's the most difficult
part of recording is the research that we have to
do beforehand.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Is trying to do enough research that is like throw
and well read and vetted enough and also entertaining enough, yeah,
to discuss for an episode that takes time. Time that
is sometimes difficult.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
To find, especially when like you are trying to work
freelance and you may be keeping odd hours, or for me,
when I may just have no hours anymore because a
lot of my day is going to be taken up
traveling to in front of my job.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
So there's a lot of unknowns for our lives going forward.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
There are some larger life changes that.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
We're all thinking about and planning but don't have necessarily
hard days, right, But that is going to probably come
to fruition and trickle into how it affects the podcast
too in the coming months or years or whatever. Although
Christina and I did say the one aspect of this
podcast that is fairly easy to keep track of is parlor.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, it's not that hard to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, that one's a little bit easier, especially again because
I can just pop an audiobook on while I'm driving,
so that's not that hard at least for me. It
takes less concentrated prep time.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It takes less spoon. It takes fewer spoons, for sure,
it does.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
So we at the very least want to keep that going.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, but as for the ongoing schedule and release of
this podcast, this main podcast called Crypts Conspiracies, we are
not really sure what that looks like right now.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
As of right now, we cannot maintain once a week.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
No, Yeah, it's just not for any of us in
any degree. Yeah, Hey, for because each of us handle
you know, different things. I'm not I guess i'm technically,
but I don't like thinking myself as a host to
just like think of myself as the audio editor.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
You're talking on the mic right now.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm not a host, but even like doing the editing
and stuff like that, Like I just don't even know. Yeah,
I would love to do that, and I really miss
editing really really bad. It's that is a sense of
normally I do want that. One of the things when
right one of the things.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
We're gonna Christina and I talked about this, one of
the things we're going to try and do for now
is just when there is a topic that we want
to talk about, we will reach out and be like,
can we record an episode on this because I want
to research it and talk about it, and instead of
having like a set schedule, just be like, hey, there's
this thing I just heard about and we I want
to discuss it. Yeah, so and we'll see how that works.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
And more personal interest topics like more to more topics
that are more personally interesting to us. I should say sure,
you know, I don't think that is batter. I think
that's great because that also shows our interest.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, it's something that as time goes on and we
adjust to the ways that our lives have changed and
we get into a more rhythm of life again, that
we will have a better idea of what we're capable
of doing.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
For this.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
It's just that we wanted to come here today to
be like, hey, guys, we're not dead, and to give you,
you know, a little example of what's been going on
with us as people and the reason why we have
been gone for so long.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
We started this podcast, we were in our twenties. We
are now solidly mid thirties.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I think I'm thirty two, so that's like early still
thirty six, Okay, I'm just when I'm just saying we
said we not all of us are in our mid thirties.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
As a thirty three year old, I understand.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Probably in our thirties.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
That's a fair statement to say, a fair and true
thing to say.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
We are all in our thirties. Yeah, we all in
our thirties.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
You listener to you're also in your thirty.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Also, Hey, doesn't matter, you're in your thirties now, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Some of you you're like, wait, everyone in Bummersville, it's
new Edict is in their thirties.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Law, right now, we're all in our thirties. So like
it's like going from being in your twenties and like
you were in grad school. Yeah, my show schedule is
a little more flexible. Yeah, you were in grad school.
I had moved I had just moved back in with
my parents. Was still single only for a very brief
amount of time.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
At sixteen episodes.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, for a very brief period of time.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
The podcast history was Chelsea Singles.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, listen BM before mal we don't talk about it PM.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, that's what we call it. That that's what his
mom calls it. She is multi aware.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, all right, the bowel movement of it all, yes.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Okay, all right, I think that's why she likes it.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know what is the woman who does anarchy Christmas? Okay,
that's fair.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
So we had Christmas. I guess we have to talk
about this now my mom.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I feel like, wait, she did Okay, hang on, because
I mal is like, this is just how my mom
does it. And I'm sitting here like dying inside. During
Christmas because they don't put names on the Christmas gifts.
They hand out gifts. You have to it and then
you'd figure out who the gift is for. I feel
like that should be fairly direct. You should figure out.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, the gifts are for Luna, who was a five
year old kid. So and it was easy. But also Luna,
who was getting the gifts, looked.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So confused the entire time.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It was her first Christmas here in California with the
large family at that and no, she was two.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
She doesn't remember. Okay, that's fair, she doesn't remember.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, she'll probably remember this one where she was confused
as all hell. Yeah, the whole time, her eyes were
big and wide and she was like, gifts, but also.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like is this my gift? Is that your gift for me?
Tell what's happening? I told my mother in law like,
you know, you could, you could eliminate the confusion by
just putting people's names on it, and she goes, well,
where's the fun in that?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I think, okay's purpose. My mom's answer to me was like,
I'm not confused.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yep. I was like, good, true, because there were some
gifts that she was like, oh shit, who is that for?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, but I don't think that alarmed her.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
No, But anyway, I'm thinking Chris, my Christmas is me
and my mom.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
We also don't put names on things, but that's because
either I wrapped it or shee did.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
There than when there's like how many one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight eight? People? No, for sure? Yeah, anyway, the Christmas roulette?
Yeah pretty much. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
So, yes, we have these big changes that have been
made in our lives. We're still getting used to them.
We're still figuring out what that looks like and what
that's going to mean for us going forward, just for
how we're feeling and our schedules and all of that.
There's future changes that are probably going to happen at
some point.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
But who used to say Chelsea and I are still
trying for kids, so you know s don't want to
be parents. We still want to be pair.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Also talking about moving at some point in your future,
at some point which will be moving out of.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
LA because I want to be out of LA before
the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
We will miss you dearly, a close friend.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'll still be here, You'll still be here, good lie,
waving at the distance we will not now.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, I hate that, I understand.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I'm just now grappling because Chelsea just pointed out that
I will probably have to drive through Central later your
Olympics now because.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I no longer have a job that lets me work
from home.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I do want to also let you know you have
chosen this life.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
You have chosen to be I didn't choose. You chose
to be in the way of the Olympic right now.
I also not on the Olympic committee. Your cat is
coming to comfort me because she knows I'm right.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, I didn't choose this. I did choose to be
the way I miss Cinder.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
She immediately came to find you when she sat.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, she's just like a There only likes three people
in the world, and one of them hasn't been here
in months. One is me anyway, Not.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Just because you know like weird words and things and
thoughts and feelings, all of that. We don't know what's
going to happen in the future of this podcast.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
We will let you know when we do.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, and we will. We will put episodes, we will
put things on Twitter. We still have our discard we
want to see on Twitter. I'm sorry, Blueski. I really
want to say thank you to all of our fans
that are that do still listen to those you are
listening right now. We really appreciate you. We know a
lot of people, for very fair reasons stop listening or
stop you're stopped being subscribed or being connected on Patreon.
And that's great, Actually fine, that's fine. Life happened. Yeah,

(34:07):
And just as Cheney Christina said, we're going to keep
doing and try what we can and we're not going
to over exert ourselves and we're going to make sure
to have fun.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, and we want to have the same for you.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
I think I mentioned in the episode where we announced
that we were going to be taking a hiatus, I
mentioned that we would let you the listener know what
big changes.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Are going to happen for the podcast. So we're going
to continue doing that.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
We're going to try and be communicative as possible, as
Mal said, and uh, with that in mind, in the
spirit of being communicative, neither Chelsea or I prepared anything
for this episode.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
And the reason is because a lot happens. A lot happens.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Now's happened.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Before we potentially get into the next segment of the podcast,
maybe we should go into funck. I don't remember how
to do these things.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Word from our sponsors.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it's been so long, done, done, done, done, all right.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, we'll do that. Okay. So while we were gone
so much, curd I lost the tooth you did.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
You also did lose too, unrelated to the actual things
I'm sure you wanted to talk about, which is politics.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
But yeah, now's teeth got stolen. That's my conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
His teeth are gone.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
They were stolen.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Actually, all of my sisters in law teeth are gone.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Were all pulled out, and.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
She now has dentures. She was saying it's a genetic disease.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But anyway, also saying how she's kind of relieved. Now
that's what they used to do in the olden days,
they just pull them all out. But yeah, I had
a I'll put myself on blast.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I had a root canal that I needed to do
in July, the month where everything was great, and then
I was taking antibiotics because it was infected, got off
the antibiotics, never set up the parent to have the
root canal, and then six months later started hurting so
much that I was crying.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Sobbing in public.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Geez, shoving ice in on my mouth because that hurt too,
but it hurt different, Okay, that was okay. Yeah, and
then yeah, they took fifteen minutes they ripped that tooth out.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah it's gone, it's gone, and he's getting an implant.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Ooh, honestly, forget root canals.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Just rip it, grip it and rip it is it's
a root canal of a kind, I guess you could
say it is. And it said it showed us the
tooth afterwards, and I was like, wow, there wasn't a
whole lot left, was there.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
There was a tooth that had a huge hole in it,
which is where the problem originated from. And anyway, that's
the most important thing of the year. I think you
should know.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's the only important thing that happened. Anyway, So in
twenty five, so I pulled up a web timeline well,
I pulled up a website called on this Day, Okay,
which went through all the major events. It goes through
all the major events that that happened throughout the year,
and obviously most of these were skipping, yeah, but it was.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
There's one really.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Big one that I think is gonna have a lot
of conversation. Well, we're gonna start with August. As much
happened in August as has happened.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
In September, Yes, in the grand grander scale.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, but August first is when the CBS was the
Corporation for Public broadcasting. Yes, not CBS. PBS started getting defunded,
which sucked as but people came through. They have a
fun ton of donations. If you can, absolutely send more

(37:33):
of your donations to PBS.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
On public radio and public broadcasting in general, like public listen.
Public media is vitally important for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So yeah, absolutely, And then, honestly, not as much happened
in August. K Pop demon Hunters happened, which I still
haven't seen, but.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Everyone I know is very movies which changed the world.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
It was a real good film.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's really weird that there were two films about how
the power of music and friendship can help you defeat demons.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
What was the second one, Sinners?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, which is very different, but it's really good movie. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Hey, both Sinners and K Pop Demon Hunters to be
double feature. That'd be a great film double feature because
when you watch first.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
It depends you want to end light? Do you want
to start heavy.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Or do you want to start light?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like, what do you want to do? It depends.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
One is a lot more lighthearted than Sinners, which is
possibly one of my favorite movies of the year.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
So hard, I mean that movie is getting nominated for
an Oscar as it should. Yeah, so hard. I know,
I feel like it's gonna win Original Screenplay.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I know this isn't a party with things to talk about,
but also like a lot of good games came out
this year, but also a lot of frustration though, because
a lot of voice actors are really pissed about the
fact that they don't get any more recognitions for game awards.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
The Game Awards suck. We all knew that it's just.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Become overhead because clairep. Scurra, which I think sweet.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It didn't sweep, it didn't win every almost sweat.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Sweat was that and Uma Musa Ma Pretty Derby.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well, and Hades two did win some I can't remember
what it won.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Something it won sound I think it won something.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, I thought it was soundificant. I thought it sound
not significant won something like narrative or something.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Anyway, I don't remember. But like a lot of voice
actors are just like, we are so much more part
of these games than people are giving us credit for.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, and like the fact that the
Game Awards has one voice acting category is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
They should have it for a category of genre.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, a lot of really good fun like, hey,
if you haven't played Hades too yet, ladies and gentlemen
and variations thereof get on that ship. This is just
the rest of this podcast is just us giving media recommendations. Yeah,
so anyway. August twelfth is one the Nowtional Guard is
deployed to DC. We talked along these podcast about when
it was deployed here in the US or here in LA.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I mean, I'm so happy you have this app or
this thing to you, because there's so.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Many things I fucking forgotten. There's so much.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Happened, so much happened that I wasn't paying attention to.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, and then the day after that happened is when
sandwich Gate happened. Ah, yes, I remember this, which is
Sean Dunn is charged with felony assault three days after
hurling explotives, invectives and a submarine sandwich and a Customs
and Border Patrol protection agent.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, he threw He threw a sandwich with some ice,
and they were trying to get him on phony assault
for that, and thankfully I think he was acquitted on
They're like, no, you're not charging this man. Yeah, yeah,
he threw a sandwich. Your wife was not in danger,
You're fine.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Which there was a blade in a sandwich.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is also, again, something I totally fucking forgot but was
huge at the time is Trump meeting with Putin in Alaska.
That did happen. They made a big hubbloo about that. Yeah,
and then it was like immediately forgotten because of every
fucking thing else that happened to kissed.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's very important for everyone to know they did kiss
very important.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, definitely. A couple days after that, Zelensky then met
with Trump. Uh. There was this whole thing about Trump
being like, I'm going to end the war and that
it's it's January second, now August twenty second, we have
the FBI raiding the home and office of John Bolton,
who was the former White House National Security Advisor under
Trump and then became a critic of Trump, which is

(41:23):
why Trump's FBI fucking rated his house in August or
house and office in August.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Which was good. No, No, I thought we wanted that.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Well, I don't like John Bolton, but he shouldn't have
his house rated by the FBI just because he was
critical of Trump. It was just kind of for no reason,
that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, Oh, I thought that was the one. Again, a
lot happened. I thought that was the one where it's like, oh,
we got great info from this.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
No, no, no, they're kind of doing it just as
like an intimidation thing.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Oh sorry, I get him mixing it all up.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
And then obviously the most important event that happened last
year is Taylor Shift and Travis Kelsey got engaged. That
did happen? That did happen?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Gay my god, oh my god. I do feel like
that should be a topic for this podcast at some point.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Is the conspiracy galer for like twenty minutes, were you
kind of well, there was a point in time after
Lover was when Lover was being relieved, sure that it
did seem like she was gonna come out as by
do you know do you know of this mouth?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I now, I now know now about the whole like
because I didn't realize what to talk about her being gay?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah yeah, and you know what good for her if
she is? She's not, God damn it, She's absolutely not.
There's like twenty minutes because like it was.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Real straits you need less.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Here's the thing is that there is a very deep
and like incredibly thought out conspiracy podcastle Yeah. Taylor Swift
has been seating clues about her sexuality in her music
and how like it's basically a scabter.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Hunt for the listeners to find. And I will to
give the Gaylor's.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Credit because I don't think they're all like delusional or
anything like that. I can very much see how some
things can be interpreted in certain ways, and how you
could read certain things that she has said in the
light of like, oh, this is somebody who is talking
about like the queer experience. And for a hot minute
there she seemed like she was about to soft launch

(43:15):
her being yeah straight with the whole song it was
that lover was okay, yeah, where she did that and
everyone's just kind of.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Like she did she did that, and then she performed
you Need to Calm Down, which is about being gay
or about supporting gay rights. Yeah, she performed that at Stonewall.
It seemed for a hot minute like.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
She was gonna soft launch being at least bisexual. Yeah,
and now she's reversed on that. So hard, so hard,
so hard, like border whine homophobic almost.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Glors could be their own episode.
The Galers should be their own I'm wondering who should who,
who should report on that because I know more about
Taylor Swift, But I also like that side of it.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Fears have you seen it?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I can, I can.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I can probably find some Galers interview from you. I
can wait until the reddit because I think the reddit
got locked.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Down though it be for the announcement. Yeah, after the Yeah,
I don't think I can get into it because I've
talked about Taylor Swift on my Reddit account. I'd have
to make a new Reddit account and they may not
like that.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
That's fair.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
I think that it is an interesting thing because again
I can understand how people can interpret media in that way,
and also like there is a level of projection that people.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Do with things that they like.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
And so if you're sort of like viewing your life
experience through the lens of somebody's music and it seems
to work really well, I can see you being like,
they must have similar life experiences to me. Also, there
was like this whole thing with the chick Whosho is
best friends with Everyone's.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Like are they dating? Was it bella hoodie? I don't
think it was. I don't remember, but yeah, I do
know who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
This comes up with a thought that, like with any
media that exists, music is I think the greatest example
with any media that exists. You ingest it and you
feel it, and as it goes through your feelings in emotion,
it becomes personal for your experiences. Yeah, so a lot
of these people that are going through that, I can
understand where this thought would come from. Yeah, because there's
also so much music in the world where I'm just like, oh,
this is a great song. It's a metaphor for blah

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blah blah, and someone's like, Nope, nope, it's not about that.
Actually the artist has come out and saying it's not
about that at all. Yeah, but that's good for you.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
There's a great like I can't remember if it was
on Tumbler, if it was a tweet or what. There's
a great post I saw online of somebody saying, this
song is about divorcing your wife. No, this song is
about being fourteen. Yeah, which is so relatable. It's like, yeah, yeah,
that's how music works.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah. Uh yeah. So anyway, that happened, that happened. That
will probably be a topic as soon as one of
us is like, no, we got to talk about this now.
But then September happened. September twenty twenty five happened. Yes.
The first thing I actually want to mention is something
that was totally forgotten because of everything else is there
was a series of pretty significant earthquakes in Afghanistan, like
one bread after the other. That's right, that did happen,

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which was devastating for the reader. There was actually a
fun ton of earthquakes that happened in the latter half
of last year, which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Because the world is ending, folks.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah and there, but the thing is, and like none
of them were like in line with each other because
there was earthquakes in Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I remember you had a very specific feeling about that.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, there was earthquakes in Afghanistan. Then there was a
very significant earthquake in Alaska, And there was a significant
earthquake with a tsunami warning in Japan, which luckily did
not do damage.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Wasn't there one in Italy too, not a tsunami but
an earthquake?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I think there was. Yeah. So it's like weird because
it wasn't like they were all in the Ring of Fire.
There was only two that were on the Ring of Fire,
and just like kind of all over the place. It's
just crazy to think about how like widespread the earthquakes were,
and it was like ones. It wasn't like a connection
of faults that were rupturing. It was just like randomly

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throughout the world.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
But the ones in the Middle East were especially hard.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
There. It was actually devastating because of where they hit
and also that it was like in the sixes and fives,
like one right after the other in the same area
like that was That's tough because usually it's like you
hear about their earthquakes and aftershocks, but this is like
significant earthquakes happening in rue day and then another day

(47:12):
and then another day. Yeah yeah, so yeah, that was
pretty significant. And then around the same time, the International
Association of Genocide Scholars does declare that Israel is committing
genocide and Gaza.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
That did happen.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
That did happen, And there is a warrant out for
net and yah who's arrest yep uh?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Where is he in Israel? Oh?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Okay, I was curious, like, is he on the lamb
or is he home? No, he's in. They cannot get
to him in Israel because they don't they can't just
go into the country. They can't invade the country. If
he goes to another country, that that will extradze like he.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Is willing to extradye him.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, that's the question is who is willing to act
on that warrant?

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Because even a lot of countries that condemned the actions
of the Israeli administration, like people were talking about how
he was supposed to visit Canada and being like they
should arrest him, blah blah blah, but a lot of
rebuttal that was like if Canada does that, that's an
international incident. They'll probably be decked basically declaring war.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
And the thing is that the US I don't understand us.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Crump will not do anything. No, okay there, and we'll
get into it when we get into November. But there
are questions about individual places within the US if he
goes to them, and I'll talk about that because that
that ties into significant events in November.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Are going.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
But anyway, this is also when the US military started
launching strikes against boats in the Caribbean. Oh God, Venezuela.
I did not realize it was like thirty incident. It
was a lot. I didn't realize it got up to thirty.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
No, there's at this point in time, there's the boats
or fishing boats.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Fishing boats, they rug boats.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
They were claiming that they were trying to smuggle drugs
in the US, and obviously the measured responsive to that
is to sink the boat with a drone, killing everyone
on board. Yeah, this is dated at this point in time.
I'm at the point of this record and killed over
one hundred people this way. A lot of these are
again fishing boats that we have not verified the origin
of a lot of them. Yeah, no, you can't verify

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the contents because they destroyed the boat. They basically said, like, oh,
we have aerial confirmation that these are drugs on board.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
It's like you don't.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Actually you can just see bags.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
There's not like a big block that has the words
cocaine written on it yet spacing opposite directions near each
other in the moonlight and like throwing things from one
hole to the other. They're not even like they're not
even claiming, which is ridiculous because the thing is like,
there are they do, like freaking manufacturer cocaine in Venezuela.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
That happens.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
They're not saying it's cocaine, they're saying it's freaking kenemy
or not.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I mean, what's it?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Fanyl they're saying it's feentanyl, the buzzword.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
The buzzword.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
They're saying that it's fentanyl they're trying to smuggle into
the US when they don't create fetanyl in Venezuela, and
the drugs they do create they don't put into the US. Also,
a lot of the fishing boats would not have the
capability to reach the US.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
They're not large enough.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
They have large enough field capacity.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
In the United States.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
They do make it in the United States.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
They do make it. There's a lot of questions. It's
all very stupid. It is stupid to kind of break
from the chronological order of things because a lot of
stuff happened in relation to this. Yes, one of those
was a signal I think signal gate quote unquote happened
from this. No, that was earlier in the air, that

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in the year, and that was strikes against the Middle East.
I think right, yes, but I can't remember exactly leaked
after this, which video did leak after this one of
the strikes. Yeah, when and when viewed, it's like, this
is these are people that are just trying to survive,
Like this is like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah, it's basically extra judicial killings from the United States
of people just randomly in the ocean about They have
a lot to say about it, but they can't do
anything about it because we're freaking super power of military might.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah. Trump is on the brink of basically declaring war
in Venezuela. I think that's what he was.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Ultimately, here's me my conspiratorial hat going on.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
He is claiming that all of these are targeted drug
strikes to prevent war from getting into the United States.
This has been a reoccurring narrative by the Trump administration
to try and sow like so flick ye soil.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He's trying to war on drugs again.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Yeah, he's trying to war on drugs again by saying, like,
all of these people, all these foreign people, these awful
brown people that we aren't aren't white, so we hate them.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Hey, there's a lot of brown people in the United States,
but he hates them also.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, he's saying that all of these awful foreigners are
trying to bring drugs into the country and they're going
to get you and your kids addicted and then they're
going to kill your wife or whatever. That's been his
ongoing narrative that he's trying to sow.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Was crazy because he did that and then he pardoned
one of the biggest uh oh yeah, but forgain. We
talked about that, Duras No, because I happened after the
Silk Road. Dude, No, not the Silk Road. He did
pardon him. We talked about that. I'm talking about the form.
I think it was Honduran president. Oh, that's right, that
happened the latter half of twenty twenty five. Mal Winser
this whole road episode here, Yeah, I get to do that.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
You did get to do that, and that would be
episode ten.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
But yes, so the whole situation with the drug boats
that are probably not even drug boats and are just
extradi show killings illegally and would be a war crime
if we were at war. That's the thing, which is
like insane.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Geneva Convention has got nothing on that.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
The Geneva Conventions only apply to two nations at war
with each other. So if you have not declared war,
it is not a war crime.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
So what's our state?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
It's what do you like? Are we in a We're
not We're anything.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Not yet though technically because at this point in time,
skipping their chronology a little bit, we have made a
strike against a port in Venezuela as of like this
time recording, it was like last week they or maybe
earlier this week.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Now it was Christmas. It was freaking Christmas day.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Oh that's right, he he fired he uh, Trump, without
the approved of Congress, organized a strike on a port
in Venezuela by aircraft.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Hey, listener, I know you're pretty much fans of us
at this point, but like we are in the time
the United States where we just have the worst decisions
made correct of all time.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, and every everyone's like this is illegal, right, and
then the administration just got like eh, and.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Then they ask this is stupid, right, and the Administration's
like no.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
The administrations like how dare you ask that question?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
And they with their anger, yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
But anytime the question is like this is legal rights,
somebody is like yes, and then you're saying is there
anyone going to do anything about it?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And they say no, no, and we're like, ke.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Jeffries is going to write a strongly worded tweet. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
And that's the thing is because so much of this,
the legislation about this and the including another thing we'll
talk about in depth, doesn't have like a consequence written
into it where it's like we didn't write in what
would happen if you didn't comply with this? We just
assumed yeah, And it's like okay, but we have the
toddler in chief who won't. So he's also firing, like

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he's killing people in Venezuela because he's trying to go
Venezuela into starting.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
A war because he doesn't want to start a war.
He used the war ender.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
This is my thing, Yeah, this is my belief is
that Trump wants to go to war with Venezuela for
like oil or whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I was about to ask, what do we get? It's
freaking Iraq too, Yeah, it's it's electric boogloo.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
It's Iraq to the worst electric googoo ever. Where's bush
Uh painting dogs somewhere? Yeah, So Trump, I think wants
to try and go to Venezuela into declaring war so
that he's not the one who started a war, but.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
He does want to go to end it.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Eleven of them he's ended.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Every time you ask him, the number goes out.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
He's ended every war.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Actually, they built a time machine so that he could
end everywhere that ever happened.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yea, And see here's the thing. We're saying that, But
a Trump believer would say, well.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Does yeah, somebody out there believes that.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Anyway, So that's and also this is there's a spin
off to the boat situation. And I don't know if
we want to talk about that immediately or if we
want to the more.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Recent big thing with that. No, we're gonna go chronologically.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Okay, Yeah, we'll hit that one later, but keep that
in your pocket for everyone who is not familiar with
what happened in the last few months. More needs reminders.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah, this is another thing that was a major news
story and then got author radar because other things happened.
Which is when four hundred and seventy five people, including
three hundred South Korean workers are detained in an immigration
rate at the Hyundai plant in Georgia. So that was
the one where they deported a whole bunch of South
Korean immigrants. Oh. The thing is they were employees, they

(55:38):
were a lot of them, weren't immigrants.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
A lot of them were on temporary work visas to
help set up the freaking plant that they had just
built in this small town. And they weren't immigrants. They
weren't playing us saying long term. They were literally here
on work visas to help establish this manufacturing plant.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
And the people of Georgia were pissed because there's gonna
bring a lot of new jobs. And the administration tried
to like ret on it and be like, no, you
can come back, and then all these South Korean workers
were like, no, we're not coming back.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Wait wait. Georgia residents were upset because it bring mood
new jobs. No, they wanted the job.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
So this plant, this Hundai plant, this car manufacturing plant
was being set up in this small town in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
The Georgia people were a small town, it was.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
It was a small town that was going to be
the ones who are primarily benefiting from us. Okay, they
wanted it there because it was going to be a
lot of jobs to the community.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
They were like, hell, yes, a lot of them stuff
like that.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
They're like, sick, this is going to be a big
boon to the community. A lot of us are going
to be able to get these manufacturing jobs. A bunch
of employees from Hyundai, from a bunch of these South
Korean workers came here to help establish the plant, to
help set up the processes, to help get it going,
to help with the like the final finishing off of
all of the like set up with the machines and whatnot.
They were here legally on work visas. And then I

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think it was the governor of Georgia who also sucks
it was I can't.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Remember exactly what was. Literally, there was a political figure
who is.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Either the governor or like some ag or something like that,
some some high up political figure in Georgia who's sucking
Trump's dick.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Basically called in.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
ICE to say, like, there's a bunch of illegal South
Korean immigrants here. ICE came rated and detained all of
these people again who were here on legitimate work visas temporarily.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
It's just the whole thing with ICE again, where I'm
just like, I don't think you're also doing anything legal either,
but who's going to stop them?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
That's exactly they are operating illegally.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
ICE does not have any jurisdiction over US citizens, So
anytime they detain a US citizen that is illegal.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
They're not allowed to do that a lot, but yeah,
but they're not facing consequences.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
They're not allowed to detain a US citizen if you
can prove, especially that you're a unis citizen.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
That's super illegal.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
They're not allowed to do that. But nobody is holding
them accountable.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
And also a lot of them are basically like secret
police because they are operating with like covered faces and
no identification and they're not off They're not operating under
any actual like guidelines of proper way to uh to
detain people fighting them back though they should be. Yeah,
because it basically we're getting kidnapped.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yes, that's straight up. What they are getting kidnapped.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
That is legitimately literally what's happening is Ice is kidnapping people.
They're not operating legally a lot of the time.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
So they arrested the tow truck driver who is towing
ICE vehicles in LA and they couldn't convict him.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Good hell, yeah, I find a jury who would nobody
in LA. But yes, So that what happened with the
plant was that they eventually realized, oh, we don't have
any jurisdiction to arrest any of these people, these South
Korean people, and so they had to let them go.
And then all of them are like, cool, we're leaving. Yeah,
we are leaving right.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Now because this is a message to us and over
the country. They're having a work visa in your country
is a mad idea. It means nothing, and we will
be mean nothing and it's only bad news.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
And we will be just randomly arrested and then locked
up for who knows how long.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
And the thing is, though, yeah, Trump hates anything that
has to with the immigration process, including work visas.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So my thing is that like to him, this might
be it must be a win. It is he stupid.
He views it as a win.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
But the thing is, yeah, it really damaged our working
relationship with one of our allies, South Korea, who was
trying to work with us to bring additional business into
the country. They literally said, like, no, we're pulling all
of our people back because they were not going to
let their citizens be randomly and like injustifiably that detained
in the United States. So they're like, no, we are

(59:36):
advising that you don't go to freaking North America. You
don't go to the United States especially, like, don't do that.
And so what really sucked for that town, that Georgian town,
is that the plant basically was not going to happen then,
like they didn't finished, it was almost done. I think
I can't remember how far along they got, but like, yeah, no,
no one's getting those jobs anymore. They ruined the chance

(59:58):
of that happening. That plant's not going to be final.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Wise, this is the same administration who they they released
the numbers on unemployment and then immediately fired the head
of the Department of Labor, which I think happened in
that happened in August. Okay, but it's like I think
I saw it and I skipped over it. But it's
it is tangentially related to this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, so what's next on the timeline of death of Doom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
September eighth is when the birthday book is released with
the birthday card from Trump. Yeah, going into your topic,
which will be a lot of the rest of this podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Talking about Jeffrey Epstein. How insert that episode here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Dead? He is dead? He is dead. At first, it's
for sure, I know that man's dead. I do love
I want to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
What was the name? Josh Johnson, the comedian that we've
been listening to recently. He's incredibly funny, He's he's political,
but he's also very personable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I think I know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Does you have a very deadpan delivery? Yes, yes, I think, yes,
I know him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I did a bit about the Epstein like camera footage,
being like, if there's like minutes missing from footage, you
bet people are going to look into it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
People are gonna want to know. Yeah. Yeah, he's been
hosting the Daily Show sometimes something. Yes, so which a No,
he's very good, he's very good. But yeah, the fucking
birthday card.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Yeah, which is if anyone needs a reminder, this is
the weird birthday note that Donald Trump wrote to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Being like, uh, like you were Enigma's like, what was it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
He said, like as something about a secret is like
a great thing to have, orly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
And he wrote his secret female body. But the thing is,
someone pointed out, it's like that's like a prepea bessant
girl's body. He drew.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
He drew very vaguely.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
The shape of what is like it is undeniably a feminine,
a feminine shape, with the kind of joke of it
being that his signature, his scratchy Donald Trump signature, is
like the pubic hair in this drawing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
It's gross. It's gross. It's like the whole thing is,
even if he's referencing just like adult women, it's just
him being a gross dude.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
But yeah, it's just this incredibly weird, Like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I think it's so funny how Trump many times has
been like I never never talked to him, never associated
with them, never, blah blah blah, And it's like, bruh,
we have video of you just hanging with him, holding hands.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
He they were incredible. They were on on their friends,
they were vice friends.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
There's there's documented evidence of them spending a very lot
of time together into that because there's a lot of
stuff that happens after this that comes out. So let's
talk about September eleventh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Well, it was the universe another anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
It was, yeah, the anniversary of nine to eleven. Two
things happened on September eleventh, actually, because one of them
was that Balls and Arrow was convicted.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Yay, malinsert the ups bunch high your balls and out here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
You're a socialists now, right, and that would be episode.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
God that the the president of Brazil is a socialist.
Lula Lulah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Yeah, there is issues in Brazil. They're having a lot
of political upheaval just because of there's a lot there's
a lot that still support Balls and but also there's
like a lot of stuff that's just happening in general,
also with their economy. Lula is an older guy, and
there is a lot of people very similar to the
United States, where I mean, I think the United States
and Brazil have a lot of things politically in common

(01:03:21):
right now, where a lot of people are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Like had a little bit more in common. Huh, I
wish we had a little bit more, oh, I.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Mean yeah about the whole Like, are actually Baalsnarow equivalent? Yeah, yeah,
issues with people wanting fresh blood in the administration.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
And their government.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
They want like younger, more proactive, more like you know,
pro liberal.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Or whatever you want to let leaning, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, same,
So they're so they're having issues.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
See very similar here. But yes, currently Lula is the
president of Brazil. So then let's talk about the other
thing that happened on September eleventh. What time are we at?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Excellent question.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
I guess we could make this two episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean this would be a great
place to stop actually for a new episode.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yeah, because this is going to be a lot because
a lot more political things happened in the many more
months to come.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, it happened in September specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Yeah, but because if this is if I can't remember
exactly when, Yeah, it's exactly what I think Kirk got shot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Exactly, Yeah, or in the neck, I guess whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
This is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
So when I traveled back to when we traveled back
to Fresno for Christmas, because saw my family first, there
was a giant billboard yeap that was like Charlie Kirk,
will not let your death be in vain? Yeah, And
I was just like, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
There's so much to talk about with Charlie Kirk, which
is why this may end up being its own a
different second episode. Yeah, So do we want to transition
off of this then and then go into the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Oh? Do we want to just do Kirk last? No,
I mean we transition to the next episode. Yes, let's
do it. So, I guess this is just I don't
know if we're going to do emails or anything. I
think that's something we got to do its own thing later. Sure,
we can do an those things. I do want to say.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I did take a cursory look at some of the
emails while we were like, we haven't really been looking
at emails this whole time, right before this, I did
take a cursory look at some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Thank you everyone so much for who reached out, you know,
giving your well which is in support.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
We do appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
One person did email asking about what the crisscross chair
that we got is because they're getting one for their
wife for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I am sorry that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Missed that deadline. Hopefully you figured that out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
We will address that in more depth later.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
What is this? What's the brand on here? I mean,
this is a knockoff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
This is the one that I got from a dude
behind a warehouse, right, Yeah, so I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Know what that one is. Yeah, fair enough, but you
know what, it's gay. It's gay certifiable.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yep. The cat likes it. It's just the butt's not
big enough for me, that's fair. I just too much ass,
too much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Twenty twenty five just felt like a year of doom,
and I'm very much looking forward to twenty twenty six.
I have a very positive feeling about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
But also, our country is in the most jeopardizing position.
I feel like historically we've.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Ever been possibly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
I can't get over how and while what we were
talking about earlier, it's clear, like you said, who's going
to do something about it? If another country does something,
then that's either an act of war or something international
that could pop up into something bigger. It's scary to
think about that. But also our country is just fucking
up everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
We are in a midterm year, ladies and gentlemen in
variations thereof, So it's very important.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
That you become It is important you vote every time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, which people did last year, which wasn't even midterms.
It was a complete off year and goddamn yeah, but
that's November, so we'll get to November. We will get
there in our next episode.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
For today, we are going to wind down here and
hopefully this was heartening update for you all. We're going
to continue our what's been going on in the world
since that time conversation just as a recap.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Almost, like, uh, you know, is that the name of
the next episode?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
You you had like, I don't know how many mass
shootings in the last year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Yeah, anyway, Oh, you also listen to a lot of galor.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
You you listened to a lot of Taylor Swift? Were
you sad about stake? I was so upset. I did
because I don't do Spotify. I do Apple Music, and
Apple Music told me every single month my top artist
was Taylor Swift. And I was sitting there like, just
fucking kill me. We got to get you some other artists.
I listened to a lot of artists. I don't understand
how Taylor Swift ended up being number one every fucking month.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
That is Actually, we'll have to talk about the Spotify
rap conspiracy, the wrapped conspiracy, because there is one about
how that is being used as a way to market
specific artists, because especially since they started using AI summaries,
it has been incredibly wrong about a lot of people's stats,
and it has been highlighting very specific artists that they
think that Spotify's may deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
That's a different It's interesting because a lot of the
artist saying, I listen to our not mainstream whatsoever. I
listened to like a lot of European electronic bands, and
it'll tell me it's like, oh, you're zero one percent
a listener of this guy. And I'm like, I listen
to him like three times in July, Like what do
you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yep? So we'll see what's up with that next time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
What's up with that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
What's up with that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I also have to remember how to end episodes. We
have social media, we do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I'm at this point none of us are going to
shut it out because I don't know when, when or
how will be back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
We We do have a bluluk which is at C
three podcast. I should probably check it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
We do have a Patreon, but as at this point,
I wouldn't pressure anyone into no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
There's still some people who use the Patreon, and I
appreciate all of you. We people on our discord.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
I mean the Discord people. Yeah, everybody who is involved
in our community. We adore you, everybody who whether you
are a member of the Discord, a member of the Patreon,
just you listen to us for vibes and fun. We
love you, guys, We care about you, guys. We hope
that you've been having a good half of the year,
even though things have sucked. And we will be back
in some capacity. Yes, question mark, question mark, question mark,

(01:09:21):
we will return dot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Question and Charlote Kirk is not returning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Okay, yeah he is not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
I was like, ye returning from the dead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah, no, that's that is a true statement. We'll talk
about that more next time. Goodbye Chelsea by Christina Bye,
now bye, ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Hey, I can't think of like a villainous character from
some kind of plot movie game where I'm just like
pining for you in secret.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
So you don't secret, you don't pining to you in public? Yeah,
you don't want what's her name? From resident EU to up? Okay, desk,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
I have no interest in women that are giant taller
than me. Interesting it's Chelsea is six inches Actually she's
much smaller.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
She's We're having just love ray every time, big woman uppy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Yeah, I do love it whenever we see streamers playing
there like uppies.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Uppies.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah, No, that's not my that's not what I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Just like, I'm small.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Anyone else who's like I need The villains don't necessarily
need to be a war criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I was goofing when I say, we all have our
right hind house, but they need to do have mine.
But they need ton't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Apologize for suspect apologizing be problematic. Yeah, yeah, a little
is your favorite little guy who's problematic or gal or
non binary person.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
They can be an entity that is problematic.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Nohing are problematic, all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Are, right, Okay, okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
All right, that was a hard statement.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Every every god and goddess is problematic.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Yeah, but not in the game though, Yes they are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
What do you mean in haes? What do you mean? God?

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
There're time out just a few times where they challenge
you so that we can then get their boon. That's
that's a that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Canonically like they're they punished humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Yeah, canonically there are. I didn't see that in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
There's all In the second game, one of the people
you fight is literally Prometheus yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
He's a titan not a god. There's difference.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
They go through. The whole reason that he was punished
is because he where I wasn't there to see this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
It's not my business, not my my monkey, is not
my circuit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
And this is why Mole says he doesn't have a
problematic fame because he refuses to acknowledge anybody problem.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I acknowledge that Asrael is a war criminal, I still
love him. What about in Final Fantasy, there's problematic people
in there. So here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Whenever we play Final Fantasy, obviously we have to do
like a for Final Fantasy fourteen, have to do our dailies,
and we get into random like dungeons or an andentroalsy
and well known bosses, and sometimes some characters have come
up where all the other people in our clan are like,
that's my little Miamio. They say that too, yeah, and
I'm just like, oh no. My friend crees like that's
my little rat man. I'm like, man, but I just

(01:12:16):
I can't think of anyone in that series because like
they all die, heals die.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
You hold on, yes, okay, we're holding We're held.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Xeno's Van Galvis is the was the prince. You should
you should Zeno's vue galves.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I'm assuming it's spelled an x.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Oh, he was the prince and then became king of
his country, whose name is this Garlian whatever. He's a
fucking psychopath and he's honestly and he's honest about it,
and everyone knows it, and everyone's like, god, we hate
that he rules our country right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
And he's as white as he as tall, tall, thick boy.
But you're a little miamo. No, no, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
What I like about him is that in all of
his problematic stuff he does in the storyline, which is
to get in the way, cause problems, destroy my progress,
YadA YadA, he arrives on the scene being like, my
lung revel, it is time for us to battle again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
That's very dude. I'm just and I'm just like, damn it,
you got me, let's row, It's time to throw down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
So pretty much, I guess he'd be like the closest
because every time he spoiler alert, but it's also been
three years at this point. In the last expansion in
twenty twenty two, he like dies dies, Oh like fully dies.
And I was at the end being like, I'll never
fight him again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I'm so sad.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
That is a rivals to lovers situation if I ever
saw one, I say, pointing a mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I was just like, I love the fights actually,
but now the one The cut scene also is incredibly
dramatic because when he dies, like you drop your webon
he does, You're both exhausted. You're just like punching each
other in this ethereal plane, and I was just like,
this is awesome. And then he died and my head
cannon because I also have white mage as a class
of leveled. Yes, I revive him to be like, I'm

(01:13:57):
not done with you yet.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Just okay, So what you're describing to me is that
you have you have fan fiction in your mind for
you and this character where you go on in like
a I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Rose him from raised him to then beat him up
again so that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
You can go on fighting each other in like an
intertwined rivalry forever.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Do I need to leave the room, And I'm I'm like,
I could pull up the cut scene. I don't doubt you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I'm just trying to shine a mirror here on your behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Reveal it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I'm just saying he might be. He might be. So
I'm wondering if Mal is his own little Miamio, because
when he plays video games like Skyrim, he is the
war criminal. You can't be your own little meal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
But that is true though. My character in Final Fantasy
is canonmically just a money grubbing mercenary who will kill
anything that you point out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Does this in Skyrim, he does this in Fala. It
always makes me angry because he's killing people. I'm like,
they didn't do anything, and he's like they're worth XP.
But you know what, they're fictional characters.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
They are fictional characters in the grand scheme of things,
it doesn't matter. It is interesting to know that Mal
would be one of those people in Westworld who goes
there to order the robots, but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Don't feel anything, right, we're wording stuff about each other.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Hold on, the robots don't feel anything and aren't sentient.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Right in Western We're all sentient.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
They gained sentience. That's the plot of West World, is
that they start gaining sentience and then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Later in the seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I'd feel bad about it if I was still alive.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Yeah, if the robot uprising had not taken you exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yeah, because before then you would have had a lot
of fun killing them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Probably I would be first on their list.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
If the guards in Skyrim somehow come out of the
game into our real world and hunt me down, I'll understand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
On the plus, it's really easy to hide from them.
It must have been the wed must have been good times.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I'm trying to think about more people carrying games
that have played that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
I'm just like books that you've read or TV shows
that you've watched. Anyone was just kind of a dick.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
But you're like, but I like them anyway. I like
I like your hootspa'n. There's no one really in this
world that I can because there's no really no one
really in Lord of the Rings either that I would think.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
No, I wish there was more problematic characters in Lord
of the Rings.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
There's some problematic character definitely problematic characters. But but Tolkien
was very much like problematic heroes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
You can still have a problematic hero, like I would.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I wouldn't say that problematic.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
No, I would argue, for instance, like Bormir is a
more complicated character because he is a good person who
was corrupted by the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Ring actually is like my favorite character in Lot of
the Rings.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I would him a little Yeah, I feel like he
is a tragic character more than like a He.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Is inherently a good person, but he was just corrupted
by the Ring.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Yah. Yeah, yeah, So you could argue that that, like
he becomes problematic, but it is not due to his
own you know agency. There's also a lot of like
you could also apparently if you read the similarian the
glad Reel has.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Some stuff that she did say my other, my other
little I was fan or there see.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
There are in fact within the broader Cannon in Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Of the Rings pecifically sure, my other little Miamio.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I'm just gonna have to look at every piece of
media I've ever consumed and be like, where's the meameo.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
It's just a character that you like, like, oh, yeah,
they're an asshole, but I like that. Yeah, I think
they're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Anyway, I want to point a finger at this this
creature and be like, I've found you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I wish to know I have a specific archetype of
character that I'm like, Oh they're horrible, but I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, which is like the as many persons, little people
do love Loki.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, and here's a good example.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
After the Low Key TV show, I did become more
endeared to Loki as a character.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, because that show did a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
You were talking about your archtype.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
So my archetype, yes, is I tend to go for
like basically the devil, like from Dull Bible, from the
dub Bible. It's it's because like the way that often
the devil is portrayed in media is as a kind
of sympathetic character but also as.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Just a dick who is like come to So not
necessarily the devil, but more like Lucifer. Yes, I would
say there's like kind of like they're technically the same
person in the Bible, but I would say it's a
distinction when it comes to fiction rewrites of the character.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Depends depends on the story because they're all different. Like,
but also it's like not necessarily like Lucifer from Lucifer
the show. Like the perfect archetype for that is Lucifer
from Supernatural was like my favorite character before the later
seasons where they started writing him weird.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Especially early seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Lucifer, I was just kind of like the the scheming
archetype character who is like a bad person but is
smart enough to know that they should be kind or
reasonable at times.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
But then also it's just a dick. See mine is
the character who uh thinks so low of themselves that
they do the bad things that need to get done
because they need to get done. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Yeah, some anti heroes are are because she's she's thinking,
there's there's a phrase about the because I love characters
that will light themselves some fire to keep others warm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
And then there are other characters who I was talking
a bitter about this, where it's not so much that
as it is, I'm already on fire, might as well
keep others warm about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yeah, which I feel as well save the Yeah. Both
both appeal to me. Yeah yeah, Or like in a
in a romance setting, it's the it's the character that
is like, I love you, but you're too good for me.
I wonder what this says about everyone's psyche. Yeah, probably
a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
I'm over here related I'm having thoughts about I can
psycho armchair psycho analyz at length.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
About how I had an issue with wanting to date
people where I was like, I can fix them and
it actually worked for him. He wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
He wasn't like I was a sheetless man. Wants I
admit I was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
I would say like, I don't know if mal needed
fixing beyond.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Your bed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yeah, listen, she needed to go to therapy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
She told me a lot of things, and I was like,
is that what normal people do? And then lo and
behold it is. Do you want to start the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
We can start the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Yeah you should hear us continue to ramble after we
started the podcast. Yeah, yeah, Okay,

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