The Resident Builder podcast: July 7, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction- and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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(01:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:18):
Fallen of us, Well, very good morning and welcome along
to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Peak
wolf Camp right through till nine o'clock this morning, and
it's an opportunity for us to talk all things building
and construction. So if you have a project that's underway
that might not be quite going as you might have

(01:41):
hoped or expected it was going, and you want to
talk about that, or perhaps you've done the inevitable, opened
up the wall, discovered that well, things are not quite
as expected inside there, and you'd like to investigate why
the framing might be a rotten or where the source
of that leak has come from. Then we can talk
about all things building and construction. It's been a fairly

(02:02):
topical week, or it's building in particular. Housing has been
a really topical issue politically this week. The announcement by
Chris Bishop earlier in the week to say, hey, look,
we're going to really open up the planning rules around
what you can build and where you can build it,
the density of housing, the size, the minimum standards, whether

(02:24):
or not they need a balcony or not. And driving
in I was listening to the replay of the interview
with Chris Luxon and Carrie Woodham here at Newstalks ed
B talking about it as well, and I have to say,
you know what struck me is the concision in which
he could explain why it is that we have house

(02:45):
prices where they are, or housing affordability rather where it
is in terms of constricting the amount of land it's
available for development, followed by the cost of building materials,
and I guess rules that make building smaller affordable homes possible. However,
there is something about when I was listening to Chris

(03:08):
Bishop talking about oh you can you know you'll be
able to build a twenty square meter apartment with no balcony, etcetera, etcetera.
And there's part of me that just goes gee, that
sounds like a recipe for a slum, doesn't it. And
I'm not sure that his response about well, it's better
than living in a car is it might be a
genuine response on his part, but I think it ignores
a lot of other issues around why people have lack

(03:31):
of security in terms of housing. But we could talk
about that as well. But if you've got a practical
problem that you want solved, we can discuss that. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
The text machine is up and running. That's nine two
nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone. And if
you'd like to send me an email, you are more
than welcome to do exactly that. It's Pete at newstalksb

(03:52):
dot co dot m Z. Job done this week, right,
And I this is I suppose an opportunity to talk
about something that's been a bit vexatious for people over
the last little while, in terms of healthy homes compliance.
So there's a property that I look after that had

(04:12):
been almost healthy Homes compliant for a while, but deadlines
have come out. So first of July actually is a
deadline in terms of healthy Homes compliance. And so we
had to get under there and drag out all of
the rubbish, which turned out to be a hell of
a lot more than I was expecting. This is a
little sixty square meter brick and tile, which over the years,

(04:34):
it's about a sixty year old building. I suppose it
had accumulated old bits of timber, bits of rolls of metal,
fencing material, old pots and pans, and all sorts of
stuff that's under there. Anyway, I found a couple of
guys to give me a hand. They scurried under there,

(04:55):
all kitted up, dragged out, and turned out to be
an entire trailer load, including an enormous lump of concrete
that came out from underneath the house and then rolled
out the vapor barrier, reinstalled any loose bits of insulation,
and then ran the vapor barrier out across the floor,
taped all the joints. Textbook job. I took a couple

(05:16):
of photographs. I might put them up a bit later
on of the work. So it's done. And what that
is doing is one, it's making that particular rental unit
completely healthy homes compliant because it has the other bits.
It's got the underfloor insulation, it's got the ceiling insulation,
it's got the fixed form of heating in that's the
right capacity for that size. It's got proper spouting and

(05:39):
down pipes that actually goes to storm water, et cetera,
et cetera. So it then becomes healthy Homes compliance, and
as tenants move in and out, you need to attach
a healthy Homes Compliance certificate to the tenancy agreement as well.
For those of you who are landlords, this is probably
familiar to you. To those of you who are landlords
who are listening to this, going, h that sounds interesting.

(06:01):
Not sure if I've done that, then maybe you should
go back and have a look at the current legislation
and if you're if you're a tenant and you're moving
into properties from now on, they should be now fully
healthy Homes compliant as of the first of July. So
something that we've talked about quite a bit is now
in fact in place eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

(06:23):
the number to call. Texts are off. This is interesting
and I'm more than happy to go political and have
a bit of a discussion. Pete. The government's new plan
is all about developers and their donors. It'll be slum villas,
disgraceful and no pushback from the right wing media. Like
News TALKSZB, this is your business, let's talk about it.

(06:44):
Give us a call, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
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how to fix that hole in the wall, you give
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Speaker 5 (07:03):
B the.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I'm just looking at the texts. Apparently the Prime Minister
is Christopher, not Chris, and in not saying Christopher, I'm
rude and lazy. Thank you for your text. Oh eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you have a question of a building nature,
we are here and ready to discuss it. So, like

(07:28):
I say, you know, a practical sort of undertaking this
week for me was to get this vapor barrier installed
so it is driven by legislation in the sense that
this was a rental property that I look after, and
as one of the requirements that's now essential that you
can't not do this anymore is that there needs to

(07:51):
be a vapor barrier installed in an enclosed underfloor space
where it is practical to do so. So if if
you can't get underneath the floor in the same way
that you don't necessarily need to do under for all insulation,
if the subfloors is inaccessible or it's unsafe to go there,
then you don't need to. And if but where you can,

(08:14):
you must. If it's in closed, there's a I think
there's a part in the legislation that says if it's
particularly open as a subfloor area, then the requirement for
the vapor barrier, which is essentially a polythene that lays
down on top of the ground, so it lies on
the ground. It's not on the underside of the suspended

(08:35):
timber floor. Sits on the ground. And what that does
is it helps control moisture in that space by trapping
moisture in the ground rather than letting that moisture as
moisture does evaporate, they reckon about I've heard as much
as forty liters a day of moisture is released from
the ground and would sit in this underfloor space. Now,

(08:56):
given that this particular example, the space is surrounded by
a concrete block wall, essentially as the perimeter foundation rises
up from the primitive foundation has some of those little
concrete grills in it, but the amount of airflow would
be negligible by comparison to the space. So hence that

(09:17):
triggers the requirement for the vapor barrier. The interesting thing,
of course, and this has always been that what irony
I guess if the Healthy Homes and legislation is that
obviously it only applies to rental properties. For our own
owner occupied houses, we don't need to there are no
regulations essentially, so in your own property you don't need

(09:39):
to worry about well, theoretically you should have proper spouting,
you should have draft proofing. Ideally you'll have heating, Ideally
you'll have extraction, Ideally you'll have insulation. But as a
homeowner you can choose to live in a property without
any of those sorts of things. But obviously, as a
as rental property they must comply, and every now and

(10:02):
then I have these discussion slash arguments with people about,
you know, it is the standard too high in terms
of healthy home And then inevitably, when we talk about this,
particularly from either a social or a political point of view,
there is the sort of well, look, I've decided that
I'm as a landlord if in some cases people will say, look,
as a landlord, I've decided that I'm not going to

(10:24):
make my house compliant. Therefore it's going to sit empty,
and I'm going to go, hey, look, I'm just going
to leave it as it is, because you can't opt
out of the legislation and you can't negotiate with a tenant.
And I think I had a couple of techts on
this last week where people were saying, well, look, it
would actually be if I was a landlord and I
had a property that was not Healthy Homes compliant, and

(10:47):
I had a tenant who knew that it wasn't and
if then, you know, if let's say you had an
old house, an older house that was not Healthy Homes compliant,
but you had a tenant who was prepared to accept
that it wasn't compliant and still wanted to rent it,
and you perhap apps would say, well, look, actually I'll

(11:07):
discount the rent and you can rent it for I know,
sixty percent of market rate. You can't opt out of
the legislation either, despite the fact that you might have
two willing people. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Will rip into the calls.
I don't have any guests booked at all today on
the show. I really enjoyed spending time with Marlin from

(11:28):
Life Force Solar last week, just going back and kind
of looking over the whole solar install, the processes, a
little bit of the mechanics of how the solar works,
looking at some of the practicalities of how do you
okay if you can put the panels up, how do
you get the power to the distribution board, What do
you need to do to the distribution board? Who you

(11:50):
need to inform as in the line's companies, your electricity
supplier needs to be involved in the process as well.
So it was good to go through and look at
sort of a step by step install for a solo
if you were looking at that. But today on the program,
it is all up to you. So the lines are open.
The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Another

(12:11):
text that's come through. Is there a rule of thumb
ratio for the number of someone said guttering down pipes
to roof size? There is, and it's I thought it
was about fifty square meters. I think it's actually about
sixty square meters of roof per one eighty mill down pipe. So,

(12:31):
for example, if you had slightly bigger stand than standard spouting,
so standard spouting is about one hundred and twenty five
millimeters from front to back. If let's say you had
slightly larger spouting and then maybe one hundred milimeters downpipe,
then your catchment area could be increased. But there is
a formula for it. In fact, I think you'll find

(12:52):
it in the building code. But roughly speaking, i'd work
on say sixty square meters per one eighty mil down pipe. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. To call
thank you to those people who text through. Pete go
the Dutch the soccer. Yes, kickoff is at seven o'clock.
I will post a photograph of what the studio looks

(13:12):
like right now at some stage. And yes, I have
done my own decorating in the studio today to reflect
my allegiance for the match that's coming up, which is
the Netherlands against Turkey that's due to kickoff at seven o'clock.
Please forgive me, but I may well be just a
little bit distracted during the show today while watching the football.

(13:35):
And by the way, if you are wondering how the
England are going against the Swiss, it's getting very close
to the end of extra time and they are still
locked at one. All of course, if it gets the
end of extra time, which is in about five minutes,
they'll go to penalty shootout, just like the French Portugal

(13:57):
game yesterday, which was very exciting as well. But we
can talk building. Let's talk building. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty the number to call.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
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Speaker 4 (14:16):
It be your news, stalks be It is twenty six
minutes after six and a very good morning to you, Leoni.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
How are you.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
I'm still in the months of ninety three.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Oh it's fabulous. Oh good on you, good on you.
It's chili this morning, so why not stay in bed
for a while.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Oh no, Climatically, I can't live where my family live.
I have to live here alone, right and I have
an abide home. I don't know where, you know what
they are like. It's two storied. But when I came
here fifty plus years ago, the ground was level and

(14:58):
I lived. We started a plane tree, and I had
a house flood in the upstairs bathroom that came down
several years ago, and I had that all fix and
when they were going to put the plumbing in, it

(15:18):
was going to be plastic, and I said, no way,
I want a top job done. I want metal plumbing.
So they did the toilet upstairs and downstairs at the
same time and had metal plumbing put through, and that
in the top bathroom. I can't remember whether they did

(15:41):
the bottom bathroom.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
But.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
New cap. It took six days for to be all
dried out, and I had to go somewhere else while
it was being done and painting and reinstalling. But the
plane tree has now lifted the house again, and the

(16:10):
carpet is east west, the cabot is in ripples, the
plane tree is on the west side. I contacted my
insurance company and asked them about because I had already
owned the council about it, and the insurance company said,

(16:36):
one insurance company does not fight mother, so why would
I have insurance? But that's not the problem. The problem
is I've got to do something about the carpets. And
I'm not going to live forever. But my father's sister
lived to one hundred and three and my mother lives

(16:58):
in ninety five, so I've got three years.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I guess you've got some time seeing that. The insurance
company probably are not going to be terribly helpful in
terms of fixing the leveling of the floor, because they'll say, look,
you've known that the tree was there for a long
time and you haven't done anything about it. At the stage,

(17:24):
what's your next step. Are you going to see if
you can have the tree removed? Are you going to
go ahead with the repairs?

Speaker 7 (17:31):
No, the tree can't be removed. It's I found out
about that. I'm a sandwich between an oak tree on
my east side and that's in the RSA car park,
and I just have my driveway between me and the

(17:54):
plane tree, and then I have three five feet between
me and a park, right, so the park is the
south side the plane tree is on the west side,
so those are protected trees and I can't do anything

(18:16):
about them.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
It does seem crazy, doesn't it leone that you know?
I mean, and I'm all for protecting trees, but at
the same time, if it's had that impact on your house,
it seems absurd and a little bit sort of ideologically
driven to go, No, we can't take out a tree,
you know, to be blunt. It's not like you can't

(18:39):
plant another one.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
No, there were two trees there, and my husband passed
away ten years ago, and when he was cleaning the
car between the two trees on the lawn and then
he parked it back on the drive to dry out,

(19:06):
and then he put it back in the garage again,
and half an hour later a branch fell down off
the plane tree that it's not very any longer. Well
now that the drivers all sunk and there was they
left a great big hole. The council bought two trailer

(19:28):
loads of dirt to fill the hole where they took
the tree out. And you're you could have gone right
up to your hip if you put your leg in
the hole where when they took the tree out. Initially,
when we phoned the council. We told them that the

(19:50):
branch had come down, and they came out and walked
down around the tree and there was a hole in
the side of the tree and it was losing and
it was completely.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Hollow, so that they know that was it was, you know,
an poor condition, And there was a similar story in
Auckland Leoni. So what what's the next step for you?
What do you need to get done?

Speaker 7 (20:13):
I have no idea?

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Okay completely, yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
Okay, I've had a many stroke. It's here maybefore I
had the Manus stroke, I would talk sense to you.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
You're doing very well. You're doing very well. I wonder
whether what what could be useful and look to be fair,
my mum is about your age as well, so I
know exactly where you're coming from. I wonder is there
within your family. It might not even be a son
or daughter. It might be a grandson or a granddaughter

(20:49):
who could sort of get alongside you and and essentially
advocate for you. Right, so take over with you, dealing
with the insurance company, maybe finding a builder, getting possibly
a building surveyor to look at the property and come
up with a bit of a plan, and possibly lobbying
with counsel, and you know, if it's not someone within

(21:11):
your family, you might have a trusted friend who can
take over that responsibility, or you could go to someone
like you know, Great Power or Citizens' Advice and that
sort of thing, and see if you can get someone
to just work alongside you to get that done. Roughly
whereabouts you in the country, leone, Uh, how wrong? Tow wrong? Okay, Well, look,

(21:32):
there's bound to be some good people there. I just
wonder whether because all of these things can get a
bit overwhelming, and you know.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
I am a member of Great Power, Well look, I actually.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Think that giving them a call and there might be
someone who's, you know, in their seventies, who's a member
who maybe has come out of building or has got
some background and law who could come and just help
you step through this process. So I actually wonder whether
that's your next step is to get in touch with
them and then they'll they'll give you some guidance and

(22:04):
if you need to talk to a lawyer, they'll be
able to help you out there. I'm sure. So that's
what I would suggest, But also the only if you
want to have a go at that over the next
couple of weeks, when you've got time, and if you
need to give us a call back, and then I
can go further. We can we can see where you
get to.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
Yes, and I have a nice and why he is
computer savvy, yes, computer savvy, yes, and she does things
to me. And I have a sim in all that
the builder.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Look, that's a perfect combination. That's a perfect combination. I
think now it's time for the son in law to
get us act together and get around and help out.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Well, I have a vehicle in the garage that I
don't drive, and it's going to my great grandchildren to
teach them how to use a manual.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
How so beautiful that.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Vehicle.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Please let us please, that's fantastic, Leoni. Please let us
know how you get on, and feel free to call
again and let us know. But if you can get
your son in law to give you a hand, that
sounds ideal. And I do wish you all the best.
I can understand. It's it's daunting for all of us,

(23:27):
but you know, with respect at your age, it's probably
a little even more daunting than for most of us.
Good luck with all of that, leone. If you would
like to call and talk about buildings, and structures and
it's property, and I mussed. I'm still kind of not
annoyed or peeve because it's that that situation a couple
of weeks ago where a couple that were living adjacent

(23:51):
a council owned reserve and had brought to the attention
of the council and the council arborous teams for about
two years the poor condition of a large eucalyptus tree
that was on their and I think they had argued,
like I say, eighteen months two years that it was

(24:12):
dangerous and that it should be removed, and then apparently
in the days leading up to the tree falling over
and landing on their car and on their garage, council
had finally decided that, yeah, actually it is unsafe and
we will allow you to remove it. But the fact
that these things take two years to decide is just appalling.

(24:33):
It's you know, for one, it's a eucalyptus, it's not
even a native and it's in a reserve with probably
a thousand other trees. If one gets removed, is that
the end of the world. No, it's not not. You
know something, Look, I've had arborous suscess trees on school property,
for example, and it's quite clear the trees and poor health,
it needs to be removed and that's a safety issue.
You don't have to It doesn't take two years to

(24:54):
make a decision on that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call if you would like
to talk all things building construction, And I guess you know,
it's that sort of practical stuff around what it takes
to continue to make, maintain and look after your own
property as well, so we can talk down pipes and
spouting and trees and overland flow paths. Actually, there was

(25:14):
an interesting article in that Open Justice section of the
Herald reporting that I read late last night or might
have even been earlier this morning, around a situation where
a person purchased a property and now they've got some
issues with drainage. So the garage I think floods and
it turns out that there was some ineffective or substandard

(25:36):
drainage that had been done and they've gone through the
dispute tribunal and have been awarded twenty six thousand dollars
from the vendor of the property for a claim that
they made saying it's okay three years earlier. So this
is an interesting one as well. So you buy property
three years later, there's a problem, and in this instance
they've been able to get some sort of financial redress

(25:58):
from the cellar, from the vendor of the property. It
made for interesting reading. It's a good article. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. You've got a question like leone,
or if you've got a general comment that you want
to make about building and construction, will take your call
right now. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
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Speaker 4 (26:30):
Just looking at this. A couple of texts have come through.
Hey Pete the healthy homes date. Let me see where
does that come through.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
I'm just looking.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
This is the discussion around in terms of rental properties, right.
The healthy Homes of the station has been in discussion,
well more than in discussion for since about twenty nineteen.
I think it first came out and then it said
this is what the rules are going to be, and
you have this long to comply and so my reading

(27:08):
of it was that any tenancy for the last year
in a bit, any new tenancy needed to have a
fully compliant house or fully compliant rental unit, so sitting tenants.
So let's say, and there are lots of landlords that
have tenants that stay for many, many years, so there's

(27:28):
not a renewal of a tenancy agreement. It just rolls over,
rolls over. And so if you're a landlord that has
a property with a sitting tenant, you didn't need to
comply with the legislation until a certain date or until
that tenant might move out and a new tenancy agreement
with a new tenant was in place. So John has

(27:51):
just text men said, actually, the Healthy Homes final date
is the first of July twenty twenty five. Interestingly enough,
he then goes on to say, I have given my
tenants notice that they will have to leave by then.
I will then leave the flats empty till I sell them.
And that goes to my point earlier about situations like

(28:12):
this where let's say a landlord has a property which,
for whatever reason they've decided they're not going to upgrade
to healthy home standards. They can't opt out of legislation.
So in this case, here it seems that John is
well within his rights to go. Actually, I've decided I can't.
I don't want to, for whatever number of reasons, upgrade

(28:35):
my property to healthy home standards. So essentially, I'm going
to give you notice.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I e.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I'm going to evict you on that day and leave
the property empty. I would like to challenge you, John,
and go. You know, realistically, how much work is they're
involved in getting that property up to healthy homes standards?
And yeah, in some cases, I mean, if you had
a property that had that was in genuinely poor condition,

(29:00):
let's say, and it had poor spouting, it didn't have
any insulation, it didn't have a fixed form of heating,
didn't have a vapor barrier if it did require one,
didn't have any extraction anywhere in the building. Doing all
of those things would be a significant cost, Like it
would be ten to twenty thousand dollars I would imagine to.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
Do all of that.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
However, most houses have most of those things. So maybe
there's some insulation that might need a bit of a
top up, Maybe there is a fixed form of heating
that's already there. Maybe you've already got arrange hood. Maybe
you've already got extraction in the bathroom, in which case
getting those last little bits and pieces sorted to get
it to healthy homes compliance surely isn't that much of

(29:42):
a cost, but maybe it is, and that's where you're
making your decision on. Much appreciated. Thanks for your text,
John oh w eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Someone else we were talking with Leoni just before the
break around this the problem with this tree. Someone has
text through. Hey, I thought you could do with tree
what sorry? I thought you could do what you want

(30:03):
with trees on your property. Dunedin Council told me the
same problem. Not mine, although I did have a couple
of silver birchers that were of poor so I cut
them down or I could prune them. However, see, blanket
tree protection is gone, I'm pretty sure for almost every
council across the country. So unless a tree is actually

(30:25):
specifically noted on a council file as being protected, it
is no longer. It no longer had that blanket protection.
And the old protection used to be if it was
a native tree over six meters tall, and I think
if it was a non native tree over about nine
meters tall, or it had a certain girth at the
trunk at a I think it was nine hundred millimeters

(30:45):
above the ground. Then they all had blanket protection and
that got removed some time ago. And to be fair,
you kind of when that came in you sort of went, oh,
I can imagine people will be out with chainsaws knocking
down trees left, right and center. Hasn't actually been the case.
It's not like our cities are denuded of trees right now,
which is good. So I think in case, you know,

(31:07):
having a tree, unless it's a tree on the council reserve.
But then I would have said, well, under property law,
you could get counsel to remove the tree because it
is causing a nuisance to your own property. But that's
where she might need someone to sort of walk alongside
her and deal with this. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. If you've got a comment
about building, about practicality around getting stuff done, or a

(31:28):
project perhaps that you've you've got into but it might
not be going that well, then you can call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call. A
Couple of other texts just with regard to Leone's situation,
she needs to get a lawyer involved. Pete, like I said,
she goes down the road of like I said, goes

(31:50):
down the road two houses, oh down the road from
this particular texture, two houses destroyed by plane trees, plane
trees or flame trees, and the council were interested once
the lawyers got involved under section three three three, so
triple three. I'll have a look at what section triple
three actually is in the insurer and other text has

(32:13):
suggested the insurer one sure sort of slow creep councilor
is being sued on Herald Island and have cut out
a couple of plane trees that have destroyed two houses.
It's on council land in extremely difficult. It's on council
and extremely difficult to deal with. This is that thing around,
you know, going making what seems like a reasonable request
to council for some action and finding that the decision

(32:36):
making process is long and tortuous, and in the meantime
damage can occur, which is exactly what happened in Meadowbank
within the last couple of months eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question the number to call is
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Loving your text as well,
but your calls are better eight hundred eighty ten eighty
on the for the calls trees causing damage to houses

(32:59):
plane trees, tell that to the Augland Council for those
Franklin Road properties. Funny, I my brother lives not that street,
but in that area, and the plane trees are delightful
until they start. And I was out in Mount Eden
the other day. Until you're out sort of somewhere where
they all of the leaves drop as they do in autumn,
and then there's massive piles and the gutters. And I

(33:20):
was actually, I was driving around the other day and
I thought, maybe, given that it seems like we enjoy
having the trees, but we don't enjoy cleaning up, should
all roadside trees be removed to allow drainage to be
more functional? Because if there's a foot of decaying leaves
in the gutter and no, none of that stormwater can

(33:42):
reach the catch pit because the grate is completely blocked
by tree leaves, and hey, surprise, surprise, it happens every year.
Do we remove trees from council burms to help with drainage. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, then number to call,
just putting it out there, Frank, good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (34:02):
Oh, good morning, Pete.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
Yes, just anything a listen.

Speaker 10 (34:04):
Don't get quite quite a fright when you said this
new vapor thing.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Look, it's not new, to be fair, it's not new.

Speaker 10 (34:12):
Yeah, but okay, yeah, okays. But as a landlord, yeah,
those sort of things, how the hell do you keep
up on that? But other than listening to people like
you kaying as kying or all their houses the same.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
No, yes, the hell do we have to do it?
And to be fair, that's been you know, And I
think anyone who's interested in this has wondered about this
for the last five years almost So this legislation all
started in about twenty nineteen. So if as a landlord,
you haven't heard about it, then I'm a little bit surprised,

(34:45):
quite genuinely. But at the same time, when all of
the dates were set, private landlords had to upgrade their
properties well in advance of the state housing right. So,
and I think a number of people who you know,
have commentated on this have said, well, how is it
that the government has so much more time to bring

(35:06):
up their properties to compliance than private landlords do. It
puts them at a a well, does it put them
at an unfair advantage not really competing for the same people,
but yeah, maybe it does. But yeah, either way, they
government does have and has given itself longer to comply
with Healthy Homes legislation than a private landlord.

Speaker 10 (35:28):
Yeah, but I understand that. But surely Kangaura that those
houses need to been upgraded for the betterment of the tenants,
because we look for tenants ourselves.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, and look again, to be fair, I know that
KO has has got a real, pretty significant retro fit
and upgrade program which is underway now and has been
for a number of years. And I guess they're also
looking at a large part of their housing stock that's
no longer suitable, either because it doesn't have the density

(36:01):
or it's the wrong typography typology rather in the sense
that they've done their analysis now. And while traditionally state
homes have been three betties, in fact you look at
what is needed for that housing stock, In fact, it's
lots of either one or two bedroom places or lots
of four and five bedroom places. Three betties are kind

(36:22):
of an inefficient way of providing a service to your tenants.
So you know that's where you're seeing.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
That doesn't change, That does not change the system that
they've got. If the government are going to legislate for
all the rest of ordinary to do stuff, then so
they should be compliant as well.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Part of me doesn't describe I guess I'm just looking
at it from a practical point of view, going I
think they have, what have they got almost seventy thousand
rental properties right now. A bunch of those will be
new because they've been building new properties recently. A bunch
of them are ones that they don't intend to upgrade
because they will develop those areas. And I know that

(37:10):
this can be a bit controversial as well. There's been
areas of Glenniness and parts of Henderson that sort of thing,
where whole streets of former state houses. The houses have
been removed and there'll be intensification there, and I actually
think that that's good long term planning. But in the meantime,
they've opted not to have those houses occupied because they
don't meet healthy home standards. And I would have gone, hey,

(37:32):
look again to Christiship's point the other day where his
response to let developers build a twenty square meter apartment
if that's what people want, because that's better than living
in a car. I would have thought, well, actually taking
a house that might not be particularly good, but you
keep it empty, or a landlord chooses not to upgrade
a property again, that property would still be better than

(37:54):
a car as well. So why don't we free up
that part of the legislation tricky area? Frank can I
ask are you? Are you a landlord yourself? Yeah, okay, I've.

Speaker 10 (38:07):
Got one with an older house from one of the
concrete floor and I just.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Saw, you know, well, no concrete floor. There's no requirement
to do anything right, so you know, it's a practical thing.

Speaker 10 (38:18):
I agree with that. But and I'll make the effort
to make sure that it's done starting tomorrow. But yeah,
but it just greats a bit when you know that
the taxes are being used by the government for these
bloody houses, for praying Aurora people, and and and we
have to comply before them. It's just it's not fair.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Really.

Speaker 10 (38:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Look, I don't know whether i'd say it's not fair.
I suppose I'm a bit more practical maybe, And go, Look,
I understand that the government's got a pretty big job
to do in terms of getting their properties up to compliance.
And so the fact that they've given themselves and it's
not dis government, it's not even the previous one, it's
the one before that sort of thing, have given themselves

(39:07):
some time to do this.

Speaker 12 (39:10):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, okay, you know, I kind of understand why they have,
but yeah, yeah, okay, nice to talk to you all
of this. So Frank oh By, then, great text with
regard to the leaves. I'm going to look this up
during the break, Hey, Pete, regarding the leaves dropping. Look
up the billy goat leaf vacuum. I bought one years
ago and it clears my fifty meter drive in ten

(39:34):
minutes and makes great compost or. I'm going to look
that up, the Billy goat leaf vacuum. We might be
onto something, folks. We'll talk all things building and construction
after news, sport and weather. Top of the hour at
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Speaker 13 (40:20):
I told you so. You be to the shatat step the.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Mistiness measure twice, got once, but maybe Collpete first. Peter
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Speaker 4 (41:27):
Your news talks. He'd been welcome back to the program. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We've got some spear lines now, all things building construction,
whether it's product material, you know, selections, what's the right
product to use for the right application. Actually, i'll tell
you what just on that. One of my little jobs
that I had on my list this week was a

(41:48):
situation where there was a small amount of flooring had
been added on to some existing tongue and groove flooring,
and whenever it was installed, no one hadnogged underneath to
support that gap, right, So it was kind of a
slightly ugly butt joint where they just butted some particle
board into the edge of the strip flooring the tongue

(42:11):
and groove flooring that was down there, and so inevitably
that join had got a little bit loose because there
was a gap in between the two surfaces. And there
was nothing supporting it from underneath. So underneath the floor,
cut a piece of timber, cut it slightly too long,
crawled back out, cut it slightly shorter back underneath the floor,

(42:32):
fix that into position. And then now that the jawing
was fully supported or more supported, I had to deal
with kind of this gap. And at one stage I thought, oh,
maybe I cut the whole board out, fixing a new
piece and then glue them together, or in this instance
where the join wasn't particularly wide, I ended up. And
I've often talked about this. It's a product called repair Care.

(42:54):
It's like a two part POxy and filler that you
can use up to quite large gaps. Actually, and given
that this gap wasn't particularly large, but it was undulating
and it was only ever a meter and a half
distance anyway, I got some of that at the Razine
Color Shop on my way to a meeting the other morning,

(43:14):
and then mixed that up, applied that actually took care
of it quite nicely. So that was one job. Then
the other job was sorting out the vapor barrier underneath
the property as well, which had not had that done
because it didn't need to be done for healthy Homes compliance.
But looking at the list, and I'm looking at the
tenancy dot gov dot NZ website right now. So from

(43:38):
the first of July twenty twenty four, all kind of
AURA formerly Housing New Zealand houses and registered community housing
providers must comply with the Healthy Home standards. From July first,
twenty twenty five, all private rentals must comply. Now, what
that's about and we had a text on that just
before the news was that. Someone said, no, the guy,

(44:02):
the rules are that it's from twenty twenty five. That's
only if you have had a renewed tenancy. So the
property that I was looking after this week, a new
tenant was moving in. That means a new tenancy agreement.
That means that the property must comply now. Whereas let's
say you've got an existing tenant and they're going to
be your tenant from the first of July twenty twenty five,

(44:24):
and the house is not Healthy Homes compliant because technically
it doesn't need to be right now then, regardless of
whether it's a sitting tenant or a renewed tenancy or
anything like that, by the first of July twenty twenty five,
it will need to be so that's another deadline for
landlords to comply with. OH eight one hundred and eighty

(44:45):
ten eighty is the number to call. And someone text
me we were talking about leaves and gutters and cleaning.
We all love trees.

Speaker 11 (44:52):
I do.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I think some of those plane trees that are in
older established suburbs in Auckland are beautiful. In fact, I
quite like looking at the leaves when they fall onto
the ground, but from a practicality point of view, because
inevitably the leaves fall an autumn, no surprise is there.
Guess what happens in autumn too. Winter arrives and it
starts raining, and then suddenly rain water is not able

(45:16):
to get to the gutters, the curbs and the catch
pits because they're all blocked up with leaves. Anyway, some
text thro and went, hey, check out the old Billy
goat leaf vacuum bought one years ago at Clevean's. By
fifty meter drive in about ten minutes makes great compost.
I have to say they're an impressive piece of cat
that would wake the neighbors up on a Sunday morning,

(45:36):
especially if you took the muffler off. OH eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Barbara.
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
Oh good morning, thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Measure.

Speaker 14 (45:47):
I just want some advice. We are tenants coming up
three years now, yes, and we're in a property that
is down to drive away and it's a front properties
garage all right, so it's class is a two bedroom house,
but it's very dumb, very cold, and when you go

(46:10):
down the hallway the floor is sinking. And then I'm
walking down the hall when I go to the main
bedroom and the cat is all with damp. So I've
been having a bit of a running with the property
manager and he got us a dehumidifier and sent me
an email saying you have to use a du Ini

(46:32):
fire you have to pay the powerble. Now, the second bedroom,
I say classes a bedroom. You can't get a bed
in it. But it has a glass door that goes
into next door's garage and so every time they're working
in the garage with the fumes, if they're using lubricants,
spread painting or whatever. And I just wondered, am I

(46:55):
aloaded as a tenant to get somebody in to do
a healthy homes inspection for us? Because the only form
of heating we've got it is a heat pump, but
it glows straight onto the wall. It doesn't go through
the house. It's in a corner of the lounge and
so it just blows onto the wall. For the rest

(47:15):
of the house. It's freezing. Have mold on the ceiling
in the bedroom, and we have mold on the ceiling
of the bathroom. And she's saying, just clean it off.
And thought, that is normal, Ethos, that is normal. I said,
what do you mean it's normal? He said, that is
normal for the age of the house. And we don't

(47:36):
know what to do.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
So you moved into the property three years.

Speaker 14 (47:40):
Ago, coming up three years in December.

Speaker 13 (47:44):
So.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Twenty twenty one.

Speaker 14 (47:48):
Yeah, and so we've had three property managers up to now,
but they're always said and one acknowledged that the floor
was sinking in the bathroom in the hallway next to
the bathroom, and he said, oh, there must be a
slowly there or something. Oh yeah, I must get that done.
And every time you need something doing on our cost

(48:11):
too much, cost too much. And I eventually got to
go to the property manager that the honor does know
about the dumpness in the bedroom and I said, what
she knows and she didn't let us know when we,
you know, took over the property. And he goes, oh,
cost too much, cost too, that's it. So am I
allowed to get somebody in.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to do that.
I tell you what just I was going to do this,
but you can. You can do it yourself as well.
So if you go to tenancy dot gov dot NZ
right and then search for healthy Homes. I'm looking at

(48:53):
a page right now which has like it's called a
decision tool. Yeah, okay, so you go compliance timeframes, decision tool,
and then as a tenant, it'll step you through a
process in terms of what needed to comply when it
needed to comply. So, for example, I know for a

(49:15):
property we're a new tenant moved in this week that
a healthy Homes compliance document had to be issued for
that renewed for that new tenancy.

Speaker 14 (49:25):
Right, I did get one of dolls and just said
everything was fine and it awful, said that we are
the HRV unit. We don't we don't have that. We
don't have any heating, only the heat pump, as I said,
which is in the corner of the loan excuse me,

(49:48):
and just blows onto the wall and now we gets
through the host at all.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I mean in terms of the requirements a heat pump. Sorry,
I can hear that. You know, it's probably it doesn't
sound like a great place to be living in, and
I would imagine that in this ringto market it might
not be easy for you to find something that's affordable. Well,
that's a better country.

Speaker 14 (50:11):
I formed Social Welfare. You have to show them that
you've applied for ten hoses, right, And then we wanted
to see if we could get into that housing thing
for the new citizens beginning at HAU. I think of
something and they said, no, you have to show that

(50:32):
you've applied for ten hoses, right, And I said, well,
there's not even ten hoses for rent area.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
If you've got access to the to the web, just
go to tenancy dot gov dot nz a healthy Homes
and then it also steps you through a decision tool.
I'm wondering whether, as a technicality, your tenancy began before
the deadline for Healthy Homes compliance was there, and therefore

(51:01):
your landlord may not need to comply for a sitting
tenant until the first of July twenty twenty five, which
is obviously just over a year away, but also having
just completed a Healthy Homes compliance certificate. It shouldn't just
be one page saying everything's okay. There's actually quite a

(51:23):
lot of detail that's involved if you use the government
tool for doing it. So, for example, in terms of
the heating calculation, you need to go to the Government's
heating calculation formula. It asks you to tell you to
describe the type of walls, to calculate the space, to
determine the capacity of the heat pump, and then it

(51:44):
will tell you whether or not it complies. So just
a one page certificate saying it's fine might not actually
make it fine. And I would suspect from what you're
telling me that if an independent assessor came, they would
probably find that the house is not compliant. But then
that might not help you because your landlord may not

(52:05):
need to apply until the first of July. However, if
if you moved out and someone new moved in, they
would have to provide a new Healthy Homeless compliance statement,
and I suspect from what you're describing it would fail.
But have a look through that tendency services first, and
I think it'll use the tool, the compliance tool or
that it's compliance time frames, decision tool is what you're

(52:28):
looking for, and that will give you a good insight
as to whether or not the property that you're in
his compliant. If it's not compliant, then you can go
to tendancy services and seek redress, which might be compensation
or it might then force the landlord to make the
property better. And to be fair, it sounds like it's

(52:51):
not in great condition and it doesn't sound like it's
a particularly good place for you to be living. No,
not try that first. Okay, let us know how you
get on all of this. Barbara, take care and you too,
you and news talks. I mean, it's to be absolutely fair.
I don't have a lot of time for landlords that

(53:12):
don't make their houses healthy homes compliance. I don't feel
that the bar is particularly high. As I mentioned before
the break, if you've got a property that was a
long way from compliance, yes, you would have to invest
a significant amount of money into making it compliant. I
mean installing, for example, a heat pump or another fixed

(53:33):
form of heating. That's going to be a couple of
grand If you had to insulate an accessible roof and
underfloor space. That's going to be four or five six
thousand dollars probably if you had to install a vapor barrier,
that's going to cost you maybe a couple of grand
to do that. So you know, it would soon add
up adding extraction into kitchens, bathrooms, those sorts of things. Yep,

(53:57):
if there's nothing there at all, it's just I would
imagine that there wouldn't be that many houses where there
is none of those items there and you had to
do absolutely everything. But it's possible. I guess I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
you on talk tenancies. And it's a hot topic at
the moment in terms of the new rules from Chris

(54:17):
Bishop around this proposal that there won't be any minimum
sizes that if a developer wants to build some apartments
in each of those apartments are twenty square meters, which
mark it out on the floor. Twenty square meters ain't
that big, and it may not need a balcony, then

(54:38):
maybe they'll be allowed to do that. What's it going
to look like going forward if that's what we build.
I suspect that there might be a few of them
built I don't think they'll become enormously popular. Do they
go some way to say solving the housing crisis? Well,
I'll leave you to tell me. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. I eight hundred
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Nz to get your free quote. Teas and Seas apply
Zeb you and his talk ZB we're talking all things
building construction, and I'll be absolutely honest with you. I
have one I possibly two at times on the football
as well. Netherlands, who I am supporting, are playing against

(56:40):
Tuquai Turkey nil all at the stage England of course
scraped through by the skin of their teeth on penalties,
which will mean that whoever is the winner of this
team goes on to play England in the semi finals.
I also have a wager on this match in the
sense that myself and my good mate Tim who is

(57:02):
a mad keen English supporter, whichever team advances the further
the other one buys them breakfast. I'm looking for that
for to that, and I was saying to Bevan, my
producer this morning. One of my early ish memories is
getting woken up by Dad to go around to our
friend's place. Hoop Crane's a good old duchy who lived

(57:23):
around the corner from us. I presume he had a
color TV and maybe we didn't in nineteen seventy eight
to get up to watch the Netherlands play Argentina in
the World Cup final in nineteen seventy eight. I then
arrived at school as a nineteen seventy eight I was
a Form one student at De l Arcel College, arrived late.
When asked why I was late, I said I was

(57:44):
home watching the football with my dad and Hoop, and
then by that time news had spread and all the
boys started singing, don't cry for me Argentina. Anyway, I've
been watching football since seventy eight. I've been playing it
since then as well, to be fair back in the day.
So this is great to watch my beloved Netherlands play
in Turkey in the hope that they'll progress through as well.

(58:05):
So I'll keep I've done a little bit of decorating
in the studio just so that people were aware of
where my allegiances lie. You'll find pictures of that up
on social media as well, and if you want to,
if you want to feel good, check out the videos
and the footage of the Dutch fans in Germany going

(58:27):
to the game and celebrating after the games and so on. Seriously,
they are the best fans in the world. N res
No links and they're all just dancing en mass in
the streets. It is absolutely stunning. Right, let's get back
to the business of building. Ross. Good morning to you, sir,
No great.

Speaker 11 (58:44):
Now I'm supporting the Netherlands too, because good mates that
live in Holland.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
So it's a funny.

Speaker 9 (58:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Anyway, how can we help Ross? What's up?

Speaker 11 (58:56):
I've struck a problem. I'm digging under the house, so
extend that bring us like a workshop area and the
plans I've got. I've got to dig down well one
point eight meters, trying to small in diameter poles to
go up to support it. So I've got to take
bracing out.

Speaker 15 (59:11):
Yes, and.

Speaker 11 (59:14):
I'm in Bonga Ray in the sort of volcanic area.
There's two holes. I've got it gold. But the third
one I've struck a big blue rock and you can't
buy long jackemmer. But so I've got a Chinese jacketm
it works actually quite well. But so I've welded. He's
a crowd.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
To go down.

Speaker 11 (59:35):
One of my bits is about one six meters long.
But I've struck this bloody hard blue rock which crashed
to put on the road, and I can't get through it.
Mate suggested draw a hole and put a half a
stick of jelly in it.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Oh yeah, well that's a good way to get all
the rest of your house.

Speaker 11 (59:54):
It's hard to buy it nowadays, I think jelly. I
don't know. I haven't tried, but you don't see advertise
on the internet to.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
You well, and I suspect if you put mad on
the internet going, can I please buy some explodes? If
you might have the police knocking on the door too, Okay,
So can I ask a very personal question? Do you
have a building consent for this work?

Speaker 11 (01:00:13):
Yep, I've got all the plans and the contents and
every but I want to do it myself and I've
got to do That's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Fine, No, that's absolutely fine. What I'm thinking is is
that is the reason that you have to go that
deep to provide bearing for a pile or is it
bracing for the pile? Like do you need to remove that.

Speaker 11 (01:00:34):
Well, the idea is I put the turned small end
diameter poles down one point. I've got to go under
the bear. The bears are three hundred mills. I've got
three of them under the house. But that's so it
goes down so deep, even though it's going to hold
if I don't go down that deep. But trouble is

(01:00:56):
so because I've taken some of the internal cross bracing
out to hold the house even though I'm in a
low window area.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
I just wonder whether the most practical solution is going
to be to go back to your engineer and go, look,
I've come down to this point here, which is obviously
incredibly solid, right, so we're not worried about bearing, And
if the issue is I needed to go deep in
order to provide bracing, can I stay where I am,

(01:01:24):
put the pile on top of what's obviously a very
solid piece of ground that's not going to move, and
then deal with the bracing somewhere else. So, if you're
essentially looking to solve there's two things you're looking to solve.
One is bearing and the other is bracing. Right, So
if you've solved the bearing, because you're on hard rock,
then the only issue to deal with is bracing, and

(01:01:45):
your engineer might provide you with an alternative solution, which
means you don't have to try and dig down in
order to provide bracing on that pile.

Speaker 11 (01:01:54):
Yeah, this one's on the wall. I've got one internal
one that I've got to do. But yeah, but so
you probably is. So I could put bracing on the side.
Might be the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Simplest, absolutely, because trying to get through that and I
mean I chuckled when you said you've welded a bit
of pipe to you or your bit, because I had
to drill through a it was like a stone sculpture thing, right,
And someone said I want to make it into a
water feature, And so I took one of my old
masonry bits and I did exactly the same thing. I

(01:02:24):
welded a bit of rod to it, and then it
went from being three hundred millimeters long seven hundred milimeters
long and I could drill through. So I you and
I are on the same page in terms of slightly
dodgy welding and a bit of creativity.

Speaker 11 (01:02:37):
But this crowbar, but I bought some cheap Mixican crowbars
with rod about yeah, six mi rod three just ambraceable,
but it will go for about half an hour then

(01:02:59):
just shadd.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Yeah, okay, look Ross, I think go back to your
engineer and and go This is where I'm at, and
I'm sure that they'll come up with a practical solution
for you. Good luck with that, and I love the creativity,
and good on you for doing it yourself as well
to my dear friends Susian Barry who are watching the
football as well and keeps stopping and starting. I am
watching and it's not stopping and starting here, so it

(01:03:23):
might be something to do with the internet in Devenport.
Good luck and go Holland right here, Leandra, good morning
to you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
Good morning, how are you well?

Speaker 17 (01:03:32):
Thank you, that's good.

Speaker 16 (01:03:34):
I just want to just briefly talk to you about
the new changes to the housings, yes, and the feedback
where people are talking about how small people can build.

Speaker 11 (01:03:47):
Now.

Speaker 16 (01:03:48):
I lived in Stockholm, in a right in central city
of Stockholm in Sweden for several years, and that's the
norm over there, so you can have twenty between twenty thirty,
forty fifty and so on and so on and so
on square. Now I went over to Stockholm and when

(01:04:09):
I went looking for accommodation. I was looking at the
thirty four, forty four or fifty four type without even
blinking an eye.

Speaker 14 (01:04:19):
The way that they lay it.

Speaker 16 (01:04:20):
Out is quite well done. So I think that some
people this is just my opinion, obviously, I think that
sometimes some people weren't quite good with change. And I
think in New Zealand we've been blessed with the larger housing.
But I think once people try, and as you know,

(01:04:43):
a lot of people are saying, you know, if you
can't afford a twenty four meter square house or a
thirty four meters square house, then probably you shouldn't be
in the market yet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
And look, I don't disagree with you. And always in
the back of my mind is a concept that I
was introduced to quite some years ago, almost when we
started doing the show. Actually, I went to a seminar
in the KA was talking about the housing continuum, right,
so that our housing stock exists on a continuum, and

(01:05:14):
the scale broadly speaking, is from full private to full
public and a range of housing styles in between.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
So in the full private we've got the grand designs
twenty million dollar yhiki beach house type thing, you know,
beautiful architectural you know that sort of thing, and we
love that. And then at the other end of the
spectrum potentially, and this isn't a values judgment, is you know,
small compact maybe state or community housing network type housing

(01:05:49):
provisions for people that have desperate housing need right. And
then beyond in between that continuum is things like you
and I having a private property, and it might be
on its own site, it might be semi detached, it
might be an apartment, it might be a small apartment,
it might be a large apartment, that sort of thing.

(01:06:09):
But and so all of these types exist on this continuum,
and I think what it is is that I think
that all of these have a place so in the
same way that your experience going to Stockholm is to go, actually,
you know, I'm here, I'm here for a period of time.
That might be just me living. I work a lot,
I go to the gym, I've got an active social life,
I go out to the beach on the weekend or

(01:06:31):
something like that. Quite happy living in twenty square meters.
But I think the counter to that might be that
as long as that twenty square meters is of a
reasonable quality, And I think most people's fear is that
the twenty square meter will be literally a little shoe

(01:06:51):
box of a thing, poorly ventilated, lack of light, feels
like it's got no amenity. And so in that sense,
like the Auckland urban design rules which stipulate ideal sizes
like a bedroom shouldn't be and ten square meters, well,
if you're building twenty square meters, you're not going to
have a ten square meter bedroom, ay you.

Speaker 16 (01:07:13):
And I think it's a conscious decision by the builders
or the construction companies to do that. But I will
say that I had a friend over in Stockholm and
she was able to buy a fifty fifty three square
meter our apartment yep, and she now has one hundred

(01:07:35):
and twenty five so it enabled her to get in
the latter and it was gorgeous. So it was very well,
very well set up. The Swedes were very well over there,
and I think that you know, New Zealand going into
this could take a lot of learning from them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Yeah, and look, I agree, and again it's that also
part of that housing continuum is that we need different
types of housing at different times in our lives. So
I'm thinking about someone perhaps who you know, maybe mum
and dad helped them get into an apartment. Oh exactly, Turkey,
you just scored by the way. The well, not so

(01:08:15):
much for me, to be fair, but anyway, so the
you know, I'm thinking of a situation let's say where
I mean, let's say you've finished your tertiary education, you're
working in the city, you're working on your career, and
literally all you do is work, hang out with your
mates and that sort of thing. Then living in the
city close to where you work, that could be a

(01:08:40):
twenty or thirty square meter apartment for a couple of years,
and then you continue to move onwards. And so in
that sense, you know, you might find people that go, well, actually,
I don't want to buy forty square meters because I've
really only got enough money for twenty. But again, it
always comes down to that as long as the quality
is still and I think most people concern when they

(01:09:03):
hear Chris Bishop go hey, look, twenty square meters is
good because it's better than a car. Doesn't sound like
he's aiming very high.

Speaker 16 (01:09:12):
No, yeah, no, I agree with that. I mean consciously,
if I was building, you know, if I took an
old building down central Hamilton, for example, there's a lot
of dining and all that, and I wanted to convert
it into lots of studio apartments. I consciously myself wouldn't
build twenty square meters at all.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
But maybe what it does do is open up the possibility.
Let's say if you were doing a change of use
for an in a city building like that, and you
ended up with a bunch of you know, forty to
fifty square meter apartments, but you ended up with a
piece of you know, the footprint of the building going Actually,
you know what, I've ended up with a space that's

(01:09:53):
about twenty square meters, but I can get a kitchen
and a small bathroom in there. Then maybe you end
up in that development with one or two of these.
That doesn't I suppose most of us immediately think about,
you know, a new par building going up four stories
high or three stories high, and they're all twenty square meters,
And suddenly, in a small patch of land down the

(01:10:14):
back of a culder sack somewhere in a suburban street,
you're going to get this block of fas all.

Speaker 18 (01:10:19):
I'm saying that if I were three hundred meters from
my place, there's exactly one of those.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
You know, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
So it's not like it's new.

Speaker 18 (01:10:30):
Yeah, hey, fascinating discussion. We've got to move on, Lovely
to talk to you all the very best and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Just slightly envious of your time in Stockholm. Haven't been
there yet. Went to Sweden a couple of years ago
to stay with friends, but didn't make it all the
way out to Stockholm. It is on my list, and
that's a much nicer list than most of my to
do lists, which involve things like fixing floorboards and stuff
like that. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Yes, now,
someone said I'm looking at sky I can't find the football.

(01:10:57):
That's because it's on TV and Z Plus, so it's
on the streaming service. And can I say, quite genuinely,
I think that TVNZ Plus for this has been fantastic.
The fact that, like yesterday, I got up at about
five o'clock the game had started at four o'clock. This
was the German Spain game, and I just started watching

(01:11:18):
from the beginning of the game sort of on delay,
which was great, or I could have watched it live,
which was fantastic. Either way, it doesn't change the score
right now, which is to care one Netherlands nil in
the thirty eighth minute. Right, we'll take a break. I've
got to process this information.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. You give
Peter Wolf Cabin call on oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty the resident builder with light four solar flicked the
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Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
You a new talk set B. We're taking your calls.
And Andrea, a very good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (01:11:58):
Good morning, how are you morning?

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Very well? Thank you?

Speaker 19 (01:12:01):
Just wondering I built a sixty five square meter cottage
and our products of the other eighteen months ago. Yep,
it's a mono pitch house. And we've got a problem
with weeping windows.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Oh yep.

Speaker 19 (01:12:21):
So we didn't put any ventilation systems or anything, and
that when we're Belta, yep, we believed that being double
gazed and everything, you wouldn't have a problem with that
sort of carry on anymore. Do you know any good
ventilation systems that we could perhaps add to the property

(01:12:41):
to prevent it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Yeah, Now, I mean sixty five square meters is not
that small. I mean and good on you for doing
something like that. Again, I've made reference a couple of
times to a property that I've been working on this week,
which is fifty square meter, so it's two bedrooms, it's
got a small compact bathroom, you know, kitchen, living area

(01:13:03):
and that sort of thing. So sixty and this, I
suppose why we're all kind of focused on sixty square
meters at the moment, is around again this proposal to
allow people to build a granny flat and to do
so without necessarily requiring a building consent. So for your
sixty five square meter cottage that was built on this

(01:13:24):
little patch of land, did it have a building consent?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:13:28):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
And in the building, so is there extraction, for example,
in the bathroom?

Speaker 11 (01:13:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Okay, so there's an extract in the bathroom. What about
in the laundry area.

Speaker 19 (01:13:40):
Well, the laundry in the bathroom, right, okay, there's no
no dryer or anything in there.

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
What sort of heating do you use?

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
A heat pump?

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Okay? Now, some of the modern heat pumps have like
a dehumidifier function on them as well, so you might
need to try yeah, no, joy, okay, nice noice and
I'm guessing that the when windows that you've got while
they're the glazing is double glazed, is the aluminum thermally
broken or standard aluminium frames that would it would be standard? Okay,

(01:14:17):
that might be contributing in part to the condensation. Ventilation
will be important. There are a couple of quite good
in wall systems, so they're essentially like a trickle ventilation
where you can have one at either end of the
building and they are linked to each other. They can

(01:14:39):
talk to each other so that allows airflow, so they
monitor temperature inside and outside and regulate airflow as required.
Off the top of my head, if you search for
in wall ventilation and through wall ventilation kits, you'll find

(01:15:00):
some information there and that that will go a long
way to helping you with that.

Speaker 19 (01:15:05):
Okay, Yeah, so are they quiet?

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Look, everything that's got a motor makes a noise, right,
So yes, they're reasonably quiet, but you'll still have you'll
know when it's on. I think I don't think it'll
be distracting, but undoubtedly you'll know when it's on.

Speaker 19 (01:15:22):
All right, that sounds good?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Yeah, And yeah, ventilation will be the key there. If
you've done a reasonable job of insulation in the walls,
or if it's compliant with the building code as it
was at the time. You've got the double glazing, which
is great. It'll be about ventilation and do you keep like,
do you allow the temperature in the room to drop

(01:15:45):
overnight or do you maintain does your heat pump, let's say,
keep the house at eighteen or nineteen degrees overnight?

Speaker 19 (01:15:52):
Well, we just have it run as an airbnb.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I see, Okay, so I think that's the problem.

Speaker 19 (01:15:58):
A lot of people will come and they'll put the
heat pump on twenty five degrees and possibly leave it
on all night and not really yep, and then when
they move out in the morning, the house saturated.

Speaker 11 (01:16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Yeah, it'll be about and in that sense, putting in
a ventilation system that doesn't require input from the occupant
is quite good, you know what I mean that it's
a sort of set and forget and you just tell
people I've programmed it all. You don't change anything that
will help. And you're right, you know. One of the
issues with their houses is we don't often open them

(01:16:33):
up during the day. So again, if it's locked up,
then yes, all of that moisture will be trapped inside, right,
You might also find, because it's a relatively new build,
there is a thing where houses are often quite saturated
with moisture as they're constructed, and for a period of
time afterwards, the actual building itself, you know, the materials

(01:16:58):
inside it, the timber, framing and that sort of thing
will be releasing moisture. So you might find that even
without the intervention the problem will diminish over time. But
at the same time, having some inflation would be a
great idea.

Speaker 19 (01:17:13):
Yeah, because demid a fire and there recently when there's
nobody there and there's no water.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Okay, Oh that's good to here. Yes, that's purely from occupants.

Speaker 14 (01:17:25):
Yeah, good luck with that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
All the very best you Andrew, You take care. Glennus.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Hello there, how are you going to bother?

Speaker 20 (01:17:32):
You?

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Just turn my head off.

Speaker 11 (01:17:36):
It's it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
I'm living in one of the old style houses those
once I used to build and build in nineteen fifty,
the old prefab type. Ye put drapes and only come
to the window sill. Yes, a concrete floor in the
lounge which is open planned cull it, carpet, nothing underneath
it cold. At the moment, I'm sort of shaking. Nothing

(01:18:02):
in the walls. The house is built on the ground,
but you can't go under the house because it's built
on the ground on the garden right to the bottom
of the garden. Yep, heat pump, it's pretty a conditioner
on it, and it's right by the front door, so
when you open the door to get fresh air, you
can't have a heat pump and the front door open.

(01:18:26):
It's like living in a tunnel here. I've told them, oh, nothing, nothing, nothing.
Then the powder was two hundred and eighty five. It's
a lot of and I feel the cold because I've
got skin cancer as well. And I said to them,
can they put insulation in the ceiling? But I don't know.

(01:18:47):
The house is just still cold. It could be the
even with the heater going, it's still cold.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Man at this time of year where you know, currently
it's about four degrees yeah, five and a half degrees outside.
It probably would have dropped down to about four degrees overnight.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Sorry, I've got wool carpet which is warmer upstairs, but
having this acrylic carpet it's cold. Yeah, because it's just
sitting on the concrete.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
That's right. And given the age of construction, it won't
have a vapor barrier underneath the concrete, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
So, you know, I'm going to take them to court
and I'm going to say get this house fix within
fourteen days as would take it to a courthouse.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
To be fair, they don't need to, right, So if
you're renting it, there is no there is requirements to
comply with the Healthy Homes legislation. But for example, concrete slab,
it's not it's not practical to insulate a concrete slab
that's already there, so no, and there is no requirement
within the Healthy Homes legislation to retrofit insulation into steering walls.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
So get another carpet on top of this one and
buying one myself, and just get another rug, you know,
something like that, and have thick raps, the thick of
the floor, the warmer the floor.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Look, that would help. And you know, if you were
the owner occupy, there'd be a bunch of things that
you might be able to do. But if you're a
sitting tenant in an existing rental, and I presume do
you have a healthy home certificate for the property?

Speaker 13 (01:20:20):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
No, nothing, Okay, again, that will be something that you
will probably your landlord will need to provide but only
from next year as of right. But if you renewed
the tenancy even that you won't need one right now. Look,
you can try tendancy services, but I think that the
property probably complies. Unfortunately as it is. Good luck with

(01:20:41):
that glenness Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty give us
a call.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcare the resident builder with light fource, solar, save
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Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Your news talk is z B. If you've got a
question of a building nature, we can take your calls
right now. We can take the calls now and we'll
talk immediately after the break. Fascinating looking at the text
as well with regard to the rentals, and I guess
what's reflective is that it is actually a vastly complex

(01:21:19):
issue in terms of you know, we've got houses where
landlords potentially are going I don't want to comply with
the healthy Homes legislation. The house isn't that bad. I
just can't be bothered putting in a heat pump, for example,
or another fixed form of heating or I'm not going
to do the insulation on the underfloor, so technically I'm
non compliant, and so I'm going to leave the house

(01:21:39):
empty at a time when we need more housing. Should
there be an opportunity for landlords to go Actually, you know,
if I found a tenant who's quite happy to live
in a property that's not compliant, why shouldn't we come
to our own agreement and arrangement and let the market decide.
Flip side of that is listening to people who are
in rental properties that are cold, poorly insulated, poorly heated,

(01:22:03):
and unhealthy spaces to live in. A couple of texts
on that as well. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you've got a question
of the building nature. Gives a call, we'll get things
set up. We'll talk straight after the news, which will
also be the second half of the Netherlands MTK match
where two he is leading one nill.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
It'd be right o, folks, welcome back. We're into it.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're talking all things building, construction, housing,
a little bit of discussion around on the political front,
let's say, around announcements by the Housing Minister, which is
Chris Bishop. I'm presume it's okay to call them Chris Bishop.

(01:22:55):
I don't need to call them Christopher Bishop. I'm guessing. Uh,
that's an old joke. Sorry. It goes back to something
at the beginning of the show. So Chris Bishop started
to talk about changes to planninglegilation, which would mean, for example,
that there's no minimum sizes. If a developer wants to
create some apartments that are twenty square meters, then theoretically

(01:23:16):
that will be possible. I did have a brief discussion
via email with Hamish Firth, who's a planner who's been
on this program quite a bit. We'll probably get him
on next week. He wanted to come on this week
and I said, look, to be fair, I'm going to
be a little bit distracted watching the football. Let's talk
about it next week. And I am just vaguely distracted
by the football because my beloved Netherlands are trailing to

(01:23:37):
Kaya at the stage just one nill. It's just the
beginning of the second half, right, I'll keep an eye
on that. Speaking of Dutchman, the Great Red Client Pass
will join us and we'll get into the garden at
eight point thirty this morning as well. So if you've
got some gardening questions, hold fire. We'll get rid up

(01:23:57):
at around eight thirty this morning. But right now it
is building questions. So we've been talking about bearing and bracing.
We've been talking about the homes. We've been talking about
the impact I guess of trees as well. Interestingly enough,
in one case, it was our first caller, Leoni, who
was saying, the tree is there and it's actually moving

(01:24:18):
the house. What can I do about that? And it
seems that she was reluctant to have the tree cut
down or felt that it was protected or that it
was on a council reserve. So that's got to be
part of that process that've got to be able to
get rid of that. We've also been talking about sort
of international models for housing as well, living overseas and
many of us, many of you, I haven't actually lived
that long overseas at all, but compact apartments, inner city

(01:24:41):
apartments are part of the way of life, part of
the hustle and bustle for living in large cosmopolitan centers
around the world. Can we replicate the sort of the
same thing here. You may care to offer up a
comment or an opinion on that. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Someone's just

(01:25:03):
text through Jill Hey Pete. Cold, damp, mold homes also
put pressure on our health system and contribute to sick
days from employers and load productivity. I one hundred percent
agree with you, and I think that's where we need
to understand where the drive for better quality housing is
coming from. And ultimately it's twofold, isn't it. One is

(01:25:23):
around health because we know that poor living conditions contribute
massively to health costs. In fact, gosh, it would have
been fifteen odd years ago there used to be much
wider subsidies for the retrofitting of insulation to existing properties.
So for a period of time it wasn't means tested

(01:25:46):
at all, So anyone could apply for a subsidy for insulation,
and one of the metrics for determining is this a
good investment of If the government's going to subsidize anyone
to put insulation in their property. What's the benefit for
the government. Well, it seems like for every dollar that
was spent on insulation, like increasing the warmth of properties,

(01:26:08):
there was a net seven dollars benefit in terms of
reduced healthcare. So why wouldn't you promote inslation? In fact,
talking with ECA, the number of completely uninsulated houses in
New Zealand has in fact dropped quite considerably over the years,
partly as a result of that subsidy, partly as a

(01:26:28):
renewal of housing stock, maybe partly because of the introduction
of healthy home standards for rental properties, et cetera, et cetera.
You may have a comment on that, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? We're
talking all things building, construction, new ideas, new products. Will
that also become part of the government. Well, it has
become part of the government's initiative, is to say. And

(01:26:51):
I was listening to Christopher Luxen talking with here on
zb during the week with Kerry Woodham the interview talking about, Look,
it's expensive to build in New Zealand. Our building products
themselves are expensive, So will we allow the importation of
building products from similar jurisdictions to ours, Western Europe or

(01:27:14):
most of Europe, let's say Australia, the United States and
so on. Where if a building product has already been
tested for use there, why do we need to retest
it for use in New Zealand. So that will open
up some competition for building products and hopefully drive down
the cost of housing as well. Whether it does or not,
I'm not absolutely sure, but at least it's a step
in the right direction. Your comments. Eight hundred eighty ten

(01:27:37):
eighty is the number to call if you've got a
question of a building nature. The lines are open for
you right now. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Measure twice, god once, but maybe Collpete first. Peter wolf Camp,
the resident builder with light four solar, It flick the
switch to solar today used TALKS'B.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
You're with News Talks B Peop wolf Camp with you
this morning talking all things building construction. Remember at around
eight point thirty will jump into the garden with a
cline past as well, So if you've got some gardening
or entomological questions then you can reach out to Rid
From eight point thirty this morning. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, though, is the number to call a

(01:28:17):
lot of discussion, and it does. It kind of becomes
a political and social issue, doesn't it around housing Someone's
text through Pete. I've noticed my children and grandchildren always
have colts. They live in new homes which are always warm.
I live in a nineteen sixties home. I open my
windows instead of a ventilation system. I burn a wood

(01:28:40):
fire instead of a heat pump, and I wear a
jersey and I never get sick too much mamby pamby
stuff these days. And it doesn't seem to make people
healthier from what I see, and look, I get where
you're coming from, which I really genuinely do. But all
of the evidence, and we're talking longitudinal studies done by,
for example, the Otaga Medical School based out of Victoria University,

(01:29:05):
is there, and it's it's data driven. People that live
in cold, damp homes have worse health outcomes than people
that live in well ventilated, warm, dry, comfortable homes. And
I'm going to go with the science. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Helga. Good
morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:29:25):
Oh hi, how are you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
Good?

Speaker 16 (01:29:27):
Good?

Speaker 15 (01:29:28):
Just a suggestion for the lady with the heat pump. Yeah,
moisture in the house. We've built a brand new house,
double glaze.

Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
It was four years old.

Speaker 15 (01:29:39):
We've golden now. And I used to have that problem
with condensation on the window. And then I read online
when you get up in the morning, open every window
in the house for about ten minutes. So I did
that when I.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
Got up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
And did that help.

Speaker 15 (01:29:55):
Yeah, But I would suggest to her, don't have it
on all night, have it set so she it can
be put on, say an hour or half an hour
before she gets up, right, yep, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Just a suggestion.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Yeah, And look, I think ventilation is really key to
how our houses perform, and it's it's certainly one of
the challenges now as our as modern houses get more
and more air tight, which is a good thing, by
the way, then we also need to make sure that
there's ventilation. But yeah, kind of. I mean, actually, I
was working on another property this week and noticed a

(01:30:33):
unit where you know, it was just like dripping wet
down the windows in the morning, and I was thinking, gosh,
that can't be a great environment to live in. So
might if to ever look.

Speaker 15 (01:30:45):
At that one as well, and she could wipe it
down if there's any moisture around. Just wiped them down
in the bathroom. That like if I had a shower
at night and up the extract fan, it took out
so much I'd wipe the windows or in the thing down.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
So just a suggestion, Yeah, absolutely love it. Thank you
very much. You have a great day. Take care. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a building question
or a comment, John, a very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
Morning. I've got a situation where I've got a timber
floor five meters by one point eight meters and the
distance between the dirt underneath and the bottom of the
one twenty floor joists was only about one fifty and
I've cut a hole on the floor and I've dug

(01:31:37):
out about four meters so that the distance is now
between five hundred and six hundred. I've installed under floor
bats two point suits and put strapping up to make
sure they don't down.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
Fantastic.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
I'm looking at putting pole of theene down two hundred
EMU I think it is, and I've bought a roll
of it. Of course, it was a hell cheaper to
buy it by the roll than to buy it by
just buying the dimension I need. I intend to put

(01:32:17):
in a strip that will come up about three hundred
and four hundred along a concrete wall. One of the
concrete walls hasn't got anything on it, the other on
one side, this is on the long side. The other
side has got some polythene up that was back in
the days in the seventies you put I think it

(01:32:40):
was moles sealed.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Is what we Yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:32:46):
Protect it and then there was builders mixed put in behind.
Now my question is with regard to putting in the
polythene down, I intend to put it as a continuous sheet,
which maybe a bit of an issue trying to get
it in there, but what it's the best way to

(01:33:07):
seal the edges against the bear concrete and then against
the other side which has the where it's got the
moles seal, and then parting on it and the timber
on top of that for the floor, Joys rest On, I.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Don't know that you need to be overly concerned about
sealing that. And I'm saying that after having done one
this week, right, so not a lot more space than
what you've got, Although you've created the space, and so
we laid the vapor barrier down onto the ground, onto
the exposed ground, just butted it against the block ring

(01:33:49):
foundation that goes up to the other side of the bearer,
and then didn't try to seal it at all, because
you're right, tap won't necessarily stick particularly well to concrete,
but we've just butted it in. We did where we
came up to the individual piles, this had a concrete
block with a timberjackstut on top of it, so cut

(01:34:10):
neatly around those and actually tape that just to stop
them moving around.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
So what we're the intent of having the vapor barrier
is that it prevents most of the moisture that's in
the ground from rising and making that subfloor space damp. Right,
So a little bit of it that might migrate around
the perimeter is not going to have a massively detrimental

(01:34:37):
impact on the overall performance of the vapor barrier. So
get it down. One of the things you said was
in terms of sorry, yeah, you could tuck it up
the wall let's say fifty millimeters and look if you
can find a tape, and I'm sure there's tapes there
that will stick to concrete. Then yeah, that's a great idea.

(01:34:59):
Is just just sort of butted and run it or
let it roll up fifty mil and then put a
bead of put some tape there. I mean, I'm sure
if you really wanted to go to town, you could
find like a bead and fix that with a masonry
nail to hold it in place. But I think if
you butted in neat and tidy, that's you've gone far

(01:35:23):
enough to make an appreciable difference.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
So the moisture is just convence something underside.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
And exactly that, exactly that, and just stay in the ground.
And that's that's what it's about. And I know I've
heard people say, well, look, it just makes the ground damper,
and it means my piles are going to move and
a whole lot of other things. I've not seen any
real evidence that that's the case.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Yeah, well it's a area I've got no piles to
worry about, just the ring wall.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Yeah that's right. Oh well, in that case, do it.
The other thing that you mentioned, you were talking about
the backfill behind the retaining wall being builders mixed. That's
a really terrible form of drainage. Material because it won't
allowed when it was. So you know, look if you
wanted to do some more work, if you were to

(01:36:15):
excavate that out and put in some free draining scoria,
that would make a big difference too to how that works,
because it won't work particularly well with builders mixing there
as Phil.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
Well, there's a lot of building and running up the hill,
so the water coming down is pretty limited out at
one end. I dug down one year with a postal
or right in to where the drainers. It was one
of those really thick piloting ones. It was only about

(01:36:50):
probably seventy five diameter with the slits in it, and
I put it drill on a long pole and I
drilled holes into it, and then I put another one
of these were about one hundred and fifty those cops
Atena type ones, Yes, with a sleeve around it. You know,
we all suck on the outside. And then I filled
that up with chip.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Oh yeah, yep, that'll like it's.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
So called the ground water on the top down into
that drain system and I managed to poke a hose
up and wash it all out. Yeah great, And it
goes around the building so you could see it the
water coming with the hose. I pushed and turned on
full and the water coming out the other end of

(01:37:34):
the pipe, so that gave it a good clean out.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I think it's often when we don't look at you know,
effective drainage actually works really really well. That's why it's effective,
I suppose, but we don't often sort of observe what
happens with our drainage, particularly subsoil drainage and drainage behind
retaining walls and that. But yeah, done well, it's effective,
done poorly, and we've got lots of problems and I've

(01:37:59):
siddenly spent plenty of time trying to sort those out. John,
thanks very much for your call. Before we jump into
the garden with it, let's to Jeremy. Good morning to you.

Speaker 21 (01:38:08):
Big money Jeremy. Today, Uh, I bought a unit and
then but before that, the inspector came and said that
the deck wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
What to proved properly and things like that, right, so so.

Speaker 21 (01:38:23):
I'm trying to remedy the deck. So the builder came
and then he's trying to decide what to do because
he doesn't know what actually how the board, how that
was built. So he suggest opened up the underneath and
then and underneath the deck the would and then to
uncover what's what, what's what was inside But then they

(01:38:46):
and then he found the rotten rotten wood that goes
inside the deck, wood that goes inside the building underneath
my uh, goes up on the upper unit and there's
a unit below. So this deck would goes up, goes
into the in between the union and as part of

(01:39:07):
it is on each site is rotten yep. So according
to Dan, and they also fow that this would also
is part of the structure.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Yep.

Speaker 21 (01:39:20):
So I just wonder how to go about remedy to deck.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Oh look, you have literally, and I don't mean to
be flippant about this, opened up a can of worms, right,
So you know, all of what you're talking about is
stuff that I've either seen or been involved with. And
it is enormously distressing for you as a homeowner. So

(01:39:48):
now that you've purchased the property, and you did so
it seems knowing that there might be some potential issues
with the weather tightness of the deck, the waterproofing of
the deck. And then now that they've uncovered that they've
found in fact that there's structural decay to the timber
that's supporting the deck, and obviously the fact that it's

(01:40:08):
adjoined to another habitable property, you're going to have to
go and get that fixed, right. That becomes your responsibility
now and the scope of that project. One of the
challenges with some of the remedial work for weather tightness
repair is that the scope of it just keeps on expanding. Right,

(01:40:30):
So you think, oh, it's a problem with the waterproofing,
I'll change the waterproofing. Then you notice that the substrate
is slightly rotten, so I'll take the substraight out. Now
I've noticed that the structure below it is rotten, so
I've got to take that out. But that's connected to
another building. So now I've got to approach the neighbor
and say, hey, I might have to pull down your
ceiling in order to work on the structure above it.

(01:40:54):
What I would suggest is that you know it could
be valuable to you to employ the services, for example,
of a building survey to give you some advice guidance
as to how extensive the repair has to be. Chances are,
if it's weather tightness then that repair might also require

(01:41:16):
a building consent, so you'd want to get some advice
on that, and then you really have to make sure
that you're working with contractors who are familiar and experienced
with this type of weather tightness repair as well, because
this is going to become quite a big job. My
feeling to.

Speaker 21 (01:41:38):
Building severe.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
I think it would be good, you know, if you're
not familiar with all of the ins and outs of
the building code and the building requirements and what might
be involved, to get some professional advice would be good.
And one way to ensure that you're getting professional advice
is to get someone who is a building survey, a
registered building survey to come and give you some advice
on that. And they should also be able to be

(01:42:03):
independent and they might be able to offer some oversight
to the contractors who are doing the work, and they'll
be able to steer you through the building consent process
as well. So if you just search online for building surveys,
you'll find New Zealand independent building Surveys Sorry New Zealand.
New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys have their own website

(01:42:23):
and then you can go down through that and find
building surveyors who work in that area, in your area,
and then you can reach out to a couple of
them to get someone to give you some advice, because
you're going to need good advice and this is going
to be, by the sound of it, a very big
problem to fix. So I'm afraid I don't have any

(01:42:44):
good news and there's no simple fixes for this. Jeremy,
I wish you all the best. Please please let us
know how you get on with that process as well.
But yeah, there's a lot of work to do in
that one. Right he let us jump into the garden
and it must be an omen because just as Road's

(01:43:05):
about to arrive, the Dutch have leveled the match as
well with a beautiful header, so it's one one in
Berlin at the moment Netherlands took care it is one one,
so they've evened it up in the seventieth minute. Hallelujah
is all I can say. Right, let's talk to the
Dutchman ridd along after.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
The break gardening with still sharp free accessories this winter
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Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
Right own New Zealand's favorite Dutchman a red climb pass.
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:43:48):
Yeah, I turned the sound down, Peter, so I can
still watch need long echo. Yeah, so oh wait under
eighty d Nfi answered, they're still They're still in.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
The Yeah, that's right. Well it's not all you know,
I know, it gives us a chance, it gives us
a aunts.

Speaker 9 (01:44:06):
Well it's well no, but then there's this, isn't that
thirty minutes of extra time?

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
But look there will be another glorious skull in a
minute and then.

Speaker 9 (01:44:15):
Yeah, well you hope. So yeah, just just just saying
one thing. Jacob Anderson is a wonderful old friend of
mine from Blake. It's his birthday today, so I want
to say get and I know he's in America. I
know he's there because he's actually helping Trump doing his
sustainability thing and and and and carbon nonsense and stuff

(01:44:40):
like that. But I thought it would be nice because
I'll send him the link. Anyway. There you are's.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
Isn't it No?

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
No not yet?

Speaker 9 (01:44:51):
No, no, yes, yes it is it is one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
Yes it is oh brilliant.

Speaker 9 (01:44:57):
Yeah, yeah, this is you're now getting live soccer here
from news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Have I have I shown you what the studio looks like. No,
I'll send you a photo I'll send yeah you. Hey,
let's let's talk gardening. Let's talk gardening. Bolman Hello, Margaret.

Speaker 22 (01:45:16):
Hello, Hello Rude.

Speaker 14 (01:45:19):
My problem is.

Speaker 19 (01:45:23):
That has weavils.

Speaker 22 (01:45:25):
Now it belongs to my son who lives in England
and he thinks his mother knows absolutely everything. So all
I want to know is if a New Zealand had weavils,
what would you treat it with so that I can
relate it to him so that he can some idea

(01:45:47):
of what to do?

Speaker 9 (01:45:48):
And who identified those weavils? Margaret? Because I want you
to get I want to give you a way out
as well that in case it doesn't work, he identified
the weavil? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 22 (01:46:02):
Yes, apparently I've been to all the nurseries that tried
slugs them and anything that I could come up with,
and I've looked through my gardening books that's got remedies
for everything else except weavels.

Speaker 9 (01:46:20):
What have you seen that thing? Has he sent you
photos of it?

Speaker 13 (01:46:24):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:46:25):
But his his nurseless pejalla and it's got one flower
on it and yeah, he's had he has mentioned weavels
before and.

Speaker 9 (01:46:38):
Yeah, yeah, but there's a word, you know, And in
terms of entomology, you need to actually know what you're
dealing with before I can give you a reasonably good
insecticide which is not too harmful, et cetera, et cetera,
that you can use on the plant. Now, a general
insecticide that you could use is something called a piriethrum

(01:47:04):
or a permethrone, which are materials that are not that
toxic and they will last for a couple of days,
especially the permethrin. And if the weavil, if it is
a weavil, for instance, eats the leaves, it will literally
get that poison inside it and it's not going to
be good for that particular creature. So so so try

(01:47:28):
try something that is contains permethrin. I'll spell it out
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
P E R.

Speaker 11 (01:47:36):
Yep M E T h.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
R I N.

Speaker 22 (01:47:44):
I will send that to him and good luck on
your Dutch team.

Speaker 9 (01:47:50):
Oh you know, I don't care about the Dutch three
quite I find these bugs far more interesting.

Speaker 22 (01:47:58):
Thank you for your advice.

Speaker 9 (01:48:00):
There you go, Margot.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
Lovely, take care. Can we cut our citrus down? Text
message from someone in Auckland, Tanya in Auckland. Not my sister,
but Tanya, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:48:16):
Not your sister, but my sister. Can we cut.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
CRUs?

Speaker 13 (01:48:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
No, no, can we cut our citrus? Now? I presume pruning?

Speaker 9 (01:48:24):
Oh, pruning it? Yes, you can. This is a good time,
especially as the only problem at the moment is, of
course citrus flowers at this time of the year and
starts to a bit earlier and starts to actually make fruit.
So you've got to be careful how much fruit you
want to keep on the tree, you know, on the shrub.
That's number one. Number two is the good thing is

(01:48:46):
that there is no lemon tree borer at the moment
that would go into the cut patches that you leave behind,
because that's where they lay their eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
No, that's quite good. Because we did one as part
of a sort of garden maintenance thing the other day
and because we needed to reduce the canopy, you know,
it was just getting too tall and too much shade
and that sort of thing. So but treated now, do
you still treat all your cuts?

Speaker 13 (01:49:12):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
I don't anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
Really, I'm not at all for that.

Speaker 9 (01:49:15):
No, not at all. Not if you do it at
this time of the year, right, or say in autumn
time when things dry out quicker. If there are trees
that are sensitive to infections on the cuts, and I
am thinking which ones would that be. I think there
might be some some magnolias that do that, for instance,

(01:49:37):
then it pays to do that, or if you do
it outside of the cutting time. But generally speaking, no,
if a branch falls off a tree, you know, nobody's
put anything on it in the past, you know, sure,
that's the way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
Right, yeh, let's talk to John. How are you there, John?
How are you?

Speaker 12 (01:49:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:49:53):
Good?

Speaker 20 (01:49:54):
Thanks good. I've had some yackus cut down and they
put some green paste on the stumps. Yeah, but it
hasn't what what can I put on it?

Speaker 7 (01:50:09):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:50:09):
What pasce? Did you put on it? Then you're trying
to get rid of the yuckers? Is that what I
get it?

Speaker 16 (01:50:14):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:50:15):
Yeah, okay, Well I had an amorous guy coming and
he dammers. Yeah, but I don't know what the paste
was did he put on it?

Speaker 9 (01:50:25):
Is it regrowing?

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
Is it?

Speaker 20 (01:50:27):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:50:28):
So it's it's sprouting up again. Oh k yeah, so yeah,
I know what you mean that is? Ah, give me
a ticky I think I've got something here. What did
I have here?

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
On my little note, I've got this lovely I cut
one down at the school a couple of years ago,
quite a big one, right, and that was right up
against the building. Da da da, So cut it down
and then I thought, I'm not cutting the stump out
because it's just so much work. So I just carved
a seat into the stump for the kids to sit on.
And but I went back a couple of years later,

(01:50:59):
and of course it's all sprouted. So now you've got
this little garden throwne with these.

Speaker 9 (01:51:03):
Huge side yeah yeah, okay, seats And okay, here is
a material that you can use as a cut and
paste really well, by the way, John, it's called pilorum piccloram,
and I'll spell that for you p I C l
O R A M picchlorum weed to gel picchlorum. There

(01:51:27):
you go. That is a cut and paste for privet,
buck thorn, barbery, all the buggers really while ginger for instance.
And I reckon it will do that too on your yaka.

Speaker 20 (01:51:39):
Okay, So where do I Where do I get that
from a garden shop?

Speaker 9 (01:51:44):
I if you can't get it at your garden shop,
try something like pg Wright Sense, you know what I mean,
or Ravens Down or New Farm all that sort of stuff.
So there are all these these these typical shops that
work for for people that professional gardeners and professional whatever.

(01:52:05):
Yeah there you go.

Speaker 20 (01:52:06):
Okay, thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:09):
My pleasure or our pleasure and Dreid's pleasure as well.

Speaker 9 (01:52:11):
Yeah my pleasure. Yeah nice title, John, So okay, a
lovely text here that says that lady's son that was,
of course, sir Margaret. And if Joe might have weavil
canievil that jumped from one other. I like that one.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
That's quite good. Actually, that's quite good. And someone texts
me to ask me the phone number to ring Rude.
It's like eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. It always
has been, it probably always will be. Uh we I
need to to just take a moment to calm down,
and so we're gonna take a break. But by the way,

(01:52:49):
it's still too yeah, yeah, right back in a moment
with Colleen ring.

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Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
Right, A bunch of calls waiting, let's rip into it. Colin,
Hello there, Hi, dear.

Speaker 17 (01:53:15):
Wrote, I've got a problem with my rosemary hedge. It's
having died back quite regularly and petches. It's looking very motley.

Speaker 23 (01:53:24):
Oh what can I do about it?

Speaker 9 (01:53:26):
I don't know what. Does it feel like something is
eating it? Or is there a fungal thing?

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
What?

Speaker 9 (01:53:32):
What do you think?

Speaker 17 (01:53:33):
Well, it just looks it's quite gone, quite a dullish green.
It's not the intense green that my other rosemary huge
is looking at the other.

Speaker 16 (01:53:43):
Side of the house.

Speaker 17 (01:53:44):
It looks quite good, but it's just it doesn't look
like this any and sick. That just looks very sad.

Speaker 9 (01:53:52):
Yeah, And what I get it from you is that
it's only one plant.

Speaker 17 (01:53:57):
In the row that does that well at a time. Yes,
And I will cut that back and it does sort
of come up like there'll be a plant that's got
lots of green on and then I'll have this big
deed pet. So I cut that out and the keeps going.
It still just looks duller though than my other hedge.
It's not thriving the same conditions.

Speaker 9 (01:54:19):
Yeah yeah, same condition, same amount of light and all
that sort of stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:54:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:54:23):
Yeah, they're not getting too much water. Well it does
time of the year, they're getting more water than usual.
But yes, well drained soil it's got. It has plenty
of sun when the sun shining, you know, they're in
a good and a good spot.

Speaker 9 (01:54:36):
But just then, you just you just mentioned the two things,
the fact that it's if it's you know I said
about you know, the light, if it's too dark, it
does that sometimes, and when it's too wet it does
that too, right.

Speaker 17 (01:54:52):
So, but it's a good well drained soil like it's not.
I don't know. It's just very depressing actually to look
at it at the moment. My friend told me just to.

Speaker 9 (01:55:00):
Rip it out and get another one. No, no, you
get another one that is of the same variety and
then get that to catch up. I suppose that would
would have been my idea too, if it really doesn't
want to work.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
And I'm just a bit curious, Colleen, when you say
rosemary hedge, is it rosemary as in standard herbs or
is it a specific skin.

Speaker 17 (01:55:21):
Blue, which they say is the best sort for rosemary.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
Yeah, I'm intrigued.

Speaker 17 (01:55:27):
Yeah, exactly what it was.

Speaker 9 (01:55:31):
No, I don't, no, I don't. We don't have that
at our place at the moment, so I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:55:36):
Okay, because it doesn't okay. They say rosemary doesn't want
a lot of manure because they're used to growing and
pour a soil. So I don't feed it. But there's
a new garden, and so it's got plenty, it's had
plenty of you know, all the good stuff to start one.

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
Maybe maybe it is an idea to give it a
little bit of general fertilizer in springtime, just see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Good luck with that. I'm going to look that up
because I quite like the sound of a Rosemary hedge. Right,
hello ground, ye.

Speaker 10 (01:56:09):
Yeah, oh right.

Speaker 23 (01:56:09):
I just listened to your show. Somebody you rang up
a little while ago with an issue with yackers. Yeah yeah,
I had an issue with yackers too, but I fixed it.
All theories about using bleach and everything else. But now
what I do is I cut stumps of really close
to the ground ground.

Speaker 20 (01:56:27):
Yeah yeah, still a few holes on.

Speaker 23 (01:56:29):
The top of them. HEV what YEA and so and
get a bit of associate associated and a few grenules
down each hole and you can put a cap over
you want to the animals and you can't get in there.
And like watching Paint Driver, if you go and check
the stump three months now, lady, you should find they

(01:56:49):
did it is yes, trees yackers, it works every time
they associate.

Speaker 9 (01:56:55):
I love I like that metal for on. It's it's
a good material for gorse and broom, blackberries, all that
sort of.

Speaker 23 (01:57:00):
Yeah, that's what I had it for. But the thing is,
that's quite an affordable braskelar too. If you use it
sparing that you'll kill. Buy a bottle of that for
about seventy bucks. And your wife had about one hundred
yarcas and possibly still have a bit left over.

Speaker 9 (01:57:13):
Yeah, I'm sure you No, you're absolutely right. Good point.
And and the stuff that I mentioned was a weed
gel which is a cut and paste from and it's
called picloramic. Some people asked what it was called picloram
And the one that you were just mentioning was metsal
food on may field. Also, that's no, those are those

(01:57:34):
are the those are the active ingredients I suppose in
the material yeah, there you are.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Hey, thanks for that much preciate grants all the very
bus to you and hullo Linda.

Speaker 8 (01:57:44):
Hello, I had a film mistake and it's got meybie bug.
We've had it for about I had to had that
tree for a while and endorse fut tell me that
the maye bug started about twelve months ago and we've
been trying to treat it with dish washing water. The
neighbor gave me some spray that she uses on her

(01:58:04):
roses that actually whilst we've managed to get some of
it off and are still going and unfortunately the milli
baggers going down the tree. So it's about one, two,
three or five beg leaves down now and almost halfway down.

Speaker 11 (01:58:22):
And what is what?

Speaker 13 (01:58:23):
What?

Speaker 9 (01:58:24):
What plant is it? What plant is? Okay fig? So
it's an internal fig and in indoor fig. Oh here
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:58:34):
There's a very good, nice little product that I'm using
quite a bit, not on food plants, not on on
crops if you like, but on ornamentals. And it's called
grow Ventive g R o v E n t i
v E grow vents yes, and spray that on according

(01:58:56):
to the label and do it maybe three or four time,
say a couple of weeks apart, three weeks apart, and
those mellie bugs do not like that stuff. I've noticed
a protest a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:59:08):
Awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:59:09):
That's my kind of guy.

Speaker 16 (01:59:10):
Thank you very much to Day.

Speaker 4 (01:59:11):
Thank you all the bestie Linda, you take care, uh
and Sheryl, greetings to you. Hi.

Speaker 24 (01:59:19):
I've got a question about my white diamonds grape vine.
About two years ago, my main grape vine at the
beach put down sort of like a sucker or whatever,
and it's made a new grape vine's transplanted onto another fence.
Last year was its first year you'd had a decent.

Speaker 11 (01:59:39):
Crop on it.

Speaker 24 (01:59:39):
So it's you know, it's a decent size. But I
want to transplant that one, and I want to take
it home to my main house from my big house.
So what how do I go about transplanting it? Because
it's sort of a decent size.

Speaker 9 (01:59:53):
The right time to move this down, This is the
right time to do it and get it and keep
as many roots on if you can. I get it
that It ran away a bit like runner, did it?

Speaker 11 (02:00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (02:00:06):
Yeah, sort of shot up from the.

Speaker 24 (02:00:09):
Main steam the bottom of the stem of the main
one type.

Speaker 9 (02:00:14):
Oh is it?

Speaker 16 (02:00:15):
But is it?

Speaker 9 (02:00:16):
It's it's coming out of the soil though. Yeah.

Speaker 24 (02:00:19):
I cut it off two years ago and transplanted there
to another place to see how it would go, and
last year ahead of an equal clock, so I thought, okay,
I want to move there.

Speaker 9 (02:00:26):
Hard, to take it away for the take as much
roots with you as you can. And I think that
was the right exactly the right time to do this.
July bingo.

Speaker 24 (02:00:35):
Okay, Well it's alastallants and leaves. So do I cut
the trunk vector half the leap or once you can
cut you can do that.

Speaker 9 (02:00:43):
You can do that if you want to. But if
you if the point is that it depends entirely on
how large it is, How big is it? How tall?

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
How tall?

Speaker 24 (02:00:55):
Probably well, when all the leaves dropped off and I
cut it right back, you know, all the side shoots off,
I would say it goes. It's a meter tour and
know sort of what's the word.

Speaker 9 (02:01:07):
Is spelly, yes, espellier. I love that French word. Good. No, look,
take take it, take it as it is. And if
it's a bit too tall to transport, take the tops off.
It doesn't matter, it'll come back. But do it with
as much roots as you can. That's really the that's
really the guts.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
The bigger the roup, all the better.

Speaker 9 (02:01:26):
Yeah, they or not necessarily, but it could be. It
could go on for me. It could it could go
on for me this. But you'll have to do you
have this to trim it then if that's the case.
But as I said, as much as you can take
with you go all right, and a very.

Speaker 4 (02:01:46):
Quick call from your ability to round us out. It'll
take us to full time.

Speaker 9 (02:01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:01:53):
Well, hydrangers are struggling. They're in pots and they basically
haven't moved an instance, and bore them and put them
in there a couple of years ago. Just wondering if
you had any thoughts on that.

Speaker 9 (02:02:08):
Maybe put them in the soil. Can you have you
got some plants space in the garden?

Speaker 11 (02:02:13):
Yep, yep, we do.

Speaker 12 (02:02:15):
Are they not suitable for pots?

Speaker 9 (02:02:18):
I think it's I think they're much better in a
garden with nice, well drained soil, you know that wonderful
top soil with a bit of compost. Mix it in
in the top and eye rangers will love you for it,
and they can go as big as you like, and
you can control them. At this time of the year
with pruning as much as you like.

Speaker 12 (02:02:37):
Okay, all right, now that might be the answer to
give up.

Speaker 9 (02:02:39):
On Yeah, otherwise you're literally peeing into the wind and
it can't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
We don't want that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
You take care. They've done it, they've done it.

Speaker 9 (02:02:59):
They're always I know.

Speaker 4 (02:03:01):
I like rhyme very it's awesome. Right, I'm off to
see me mum.

Speaker 9 (02:03:08):
Yeah, you better go say hi.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Yeah, I will mate, all right, you take care. See.

Speaker 18 (02:03:14):
Oh that's fabulous, that's fabulous. Check out the photos on
the social page. I've decorated the studio. It's all been
for a good cause. So the Netherlands are through to
face England. I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (02:03:26):
Be back with you next Sunday. We'll talk some real
building next week. All right, have a great week, folks.
Take care and hop polland hop

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
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