The Resident Builder podcast: August 4, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction- and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resonant Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
from News Talks ed B fifth place.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That won't be enough, unfortunately for zoe Hobbs. Not in
the top two and two others faster than her in
this semi final. It was a great start from Zoey Hobbs.
We'll check the times, but by my eye she was fifth.
Zoey Hobbs, twenty shit Terry won it. Tia Clayton there

(00:34):
as well. I've got Hobbs and fifth. We'll wait for
official confirmation, but Tia Clayton and twenty shit Terry fastest.
We'll check Zoey Hobbs' time. She got away well and
lane three did Zoey Hobbs. She was up with the

(00:55):
leaders who were Clayton and Terry, and then through fifteen
meters just a grimace on her face. Darryl Natter from
Great Britain went past her and it may be sixth
even for Zoey Hobbs. Will check the time though, to
see if she's close to that mark of hers of
ten ninety six, a national record. Sixth place for Zoey

(01:18):
Hobbs in the semi final. Absolutely no disgrace there even
reaching the semi is quite something. Official confirmation of Zoey
Hobbs's time eleven one three, so quite away outside her PB.
She will not progress to the final unfortunately. Tea Clayton

(01:40):
ten eight nine. Daryl Nita from Great Britain got up
to second in ten ninety seven, so Twanisha Terry only
going through as one of the best next Alfred Richardson Clayton,
Nita Jefferson Tether you have it.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
That was live from Paris this morning. So zoe Hobbes
a fantastic achievement to achieve a semi final in the
woman's one hundred meters and phenomenal pace, I must have.
And there's been discussion. We're not going to go down
a sports talk type thing, but I was part of
a fascinating discussion the other day where people were suggesting
that we don't for us as mere immortals. And you know,

(02:18):
if the last time you ran the hundred meters was
when you're in the school athletics program or something like that,
you know you should really sort of line up an
average sort of runner along with these people, or an
average swimmer or something. I was watching the ten thousand
meters men's final the other day extraordinary. We will bring
you up to date. Well, we will get a little

(02:39):
bit sidetracked by this, but that's absolutely fine. That's not
looking good. Tom Walsh seems to have injured himself during
the shot. We'll bring you more news on that. We

(03:00):
might have to go to the sports team get some updates. Right,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you would like to to join in and discuss all.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I was doing a task that was slightly unfamiliar to
me this week, along with the occasional observation from my
beloved as to do you know what you're doing, to
which I replied, yes, it's okay. I listened to that
guy on Sunday morning. So I was doing the taps
in the bathroom, right, which have been slowly dripping and

(03:31):
got harder and harder to turn on and turn off.
When we renovated our place, we put the bathroom in
probably twenty odd years ago. It all still works. It's
just that the tap was getting a little bit stiff
to turn on and off, and it was starting to drip.
That's what happens with taps, right, That's why they have
a replaceable washer in them. Turns out that the tap

(03:52):
was slightly more complicated than I was expecting. I've pulled
apart a number of them over the years, partly out
of curiosity. This one was unlike anything else that I'd seen,
and when I ended up on the workbench with several
parts of the tap, I did start to question my
ability to put it back together, and started to think
about whether or not I could call Jerry, who's a

(04:12):
plumber who lives around the corner, to sort this out.
The other thing that I did realize but pushed through
the reluctance, was it's never a wise idea to start
a job at four o'clock on a Friday afternoon. So
this was gnawing away in the back of my mind
as well. But anyway, we got there in the end,
and in fact, I was so excited by the overall

(04:34):
performance of the now newly refurbished, cleaned up in what
and greased tap with its complicated mechanism, that I'm quite
excited to do the pot tap on Monday. So that'll
be my task for tomorrow, rightio, Open line talkback on
all things building construction. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We can talk about

(04:56):
Actually I had a great conversation with someone. I'll talk
about it bit later on about ventilation.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
I know. Actually it was really very exciting.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
We also had the opportunity this week to tag along
with some guys from Apex Boots that I do some
work with to the Miter ten expo, so they have
an exhibitor's expo every year. And then I was lucky
enough to attend the gala dinner in Hamilton on Wednesday

(05:26):
night with the people from Mite to ten. So I
think it was almost one thousand people, one thousand delegates.
So these are the people that own the stores, These
are the people that supply into the stores, the support office,
the executive team, the cooperative and the chair and the
chief executive and a very swanky and very entertaining gala
dinner and prize giving at Claudland's Globbox on Wednesday night.

(05:51):
So my thanks to them for their hospitality. It was
a fantastic evening and quite an interesting insight into a
very very large business when it comes to New Zealand.
So revenue two point two billion dollars goes through Minor
ten stores. It's remarkable and a tremendous bunch of people,
to be fair, So thanks very much for your company

(06:12):
or for letting me join you on at might a
Tens gala on Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Rightio, let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
If you've got a progrem project that.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Is well, like mine, a little bit a little bit.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Uncertain as to what the outcome is going to be
and you want to talk about it, or you've got
a project that you're thinking about, or you've got a
project that's just turned into an absolute disaster that you
want to ask questions about and issues around contractors.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I've sort of replied to a couple.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Of emails this week where people have struggled with the
quality of the contractors that they've engaged and what do
you do about that? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. We will keep one eye
on the Olympics as well. I have to say, not
looking particularly good for Tom Walsh. Looked like he was
in a great deal of pain after his last throw.

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So we'll try and bring you more information on that
peat Wolf camp here at Newstalks there'd beat lines are open.
The number eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can tell
that's nine two nine two was ABZB from your mobile phone.
And if you'd like to email me, it's Pete at
newstalksb dot Co dot Nz. But the lines are free
right now. We always get busy later in the show,
so now it's a great time to call. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty you a news talks heb Pete

(07:21):
wolf Camp with you open line on all things building construction.
A very good morning to you, Paul.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh, good morning to morning.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
I needed a staw bench and I went down to
mine at ten and got one and brought it at
home and all this is a good looking staw bench
for two hundred ninety nine and black in deca right,
And I put the guard on it and it flew
off when I started at that, so I thought, well,
must have done that wrong, So I put it on
again and checked it as the book said, I put
it on correctly, put another bit of timber stirt and

(07:54):
it flew off again. So I took it back to
my out of ten and they said, oh, there's nothing
wrong with that, all right, and you have a look
at it, and I'll come back in the next day.
And the next day you had a bit of Timber
City by thirty and about a foot foot or too wrong.
And he cuts through that his note words perfectly, and
I says, no, it doesn't And I just ripped just
by putting my hand. Well it was twitched off, of course.

(08:15):
I just pushed my hand up and off came the guard.
And I says that there's two faults of this. The
on off switch is covered by a flat. Now a
child will look at and see them stairdy working on it,
would look up that flat, press the go button and
allays that spinny thing and then put their hands to
it and they would lose their hands.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, but that's really about how you control your workspace,
to be fair, And I'll tell you a story about that.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Yeah, it's a very bad sword to have a home,
you know. And so they don't think it's faulty. So
I rang up the Commerce Commission and then got onto ITOUN.
So there may be a recall of them.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Okay, look, I'm to be fair. I'm not actually interested
in slinging off tools, right. I understand where you're coming from.
And obviously safety is phenomenally important when it comes to
two power tools. Yeah, I guess too. There's there's a
I mean, how much research did you do in terms
of selecting a table saw, and like, what sorts of

(09:13):
tasks will you do with your table saw?

Speaker 6 (09:17):
Well, with the table saw, I've got to build a
new book. Thinks cup tops cut things up? And as yeah,
I only found out of about eight there, I only
found one that had a steel guard that would not
move right would move, and I thought, this is not right.
And even the one that had the good guard only
had a flip cover on the on off switch. And

(09:39):
little kids are very excited around tools and very interested
in things, especially a little.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
More I know.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
But again, and look, I've got a young son, and
I've got a table saw, and I can remember a
time years ago when I was working in the shed
and I had the table saw set up, thankfully, with
the blade down and all the rest of it, and
my little eye wandered and was looking around and curious

(10:04):
and so on, and he flicked a switch on the
table saw and it started. Now he was standing reasonably
way back and all the rest of it. So I
know exactly what you mean. It's scared the living daylights
out of him. And to be fair, it's scared the
living daylights out of me too. But you know, in
the end, if you're going to let children into a workspace,
that's your responsibility, not the tool owners.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Well he's at home, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, that's right. But ultimately it's your responsibility, not the taller.
So what are you going to do? Wait for the
com com to tell you.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
What to do?

Speaker 6 (10:37):
What I did is I rang up the Commerce Commission
and they're looking into it. They say they could be
a product recall.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, well look, and you know, if the guard's not
supposed to come off and it does, then that's obviously
not accepted and.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
The other switch should be protected. Well ahead was a
flat that went over? That's all here.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, but that's enough, isn't it. I mean, what else would.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
You want to do?

Speaker 6 (10:57):
No, that's not enough because kids look up there.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Again, kids shouldn't be in the workshop if they're not supervised.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
I mean it could be or could be in the
workshop if either.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
One either way either way A flap over this that,
I mean the way that I would look at it
is And I'm just trying to think. My sword doesn't
even have a flap over the guard right over the
on off switch. The on off switch is simply a toggle.
You lift it up to start it and you press
it down to turn it off. Right, So it's easy
to turn off. And that's that that prevents you exit

(11:29):
because you have to lift the trigger on up. It
stops you inadvertently bumping it. Yep, right, So I think
that's safe enough. I don't think you need a cover
with a switch underneath it. I mean I've got another
some other power tools.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
It needs to have the cover that you can lock switch.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
No, no, no, then I disagree with you.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Okay, all right, then I'll agree with you.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
I'll like to leave that on off switch available to suppress.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, no, I'm saying to you that ultimately, responsibility in
workshops is up to the owner, right and to your
person responsible. So having a lockable switch on power tools
is not required it it is the manufacturers.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
The manufacturers should not have let it get through the testing.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
No, that's one hundred percent disagree with you.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Okay, okay mate, we'll just leave it there.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay, all right, much appreciate it. Thanks for the call
much and you take care. There is a thing called
personal responsibility. That's where I'm coming from. Sows and power
tools need to be safe, but they are also power
tools designed for use, and they don't need to have
lockable covers on them in my opinion, Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call Joe.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Good morning, Good morning, Peter.

Speaker 8 (12:55):
We're in the process of building a garage and we've
got our firewall. Is a block wall, and it's filled
with concrete. Yes, we had a big grain for about
three or four days here and some of the water
has seeped through. So we just need to know what
product do we use to see all the X year

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the outside of it to prevent the water coming through.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I'm really curious because over the years I would have
had tens, if not hundreds of questions very much like yours,
but typically they're about, you know, a nineteen seventies block
wall or something like that. So a new block wall
that's solid filled as ' grouted and it's sitting I
presume on a concrete slab yep. And the concrete slab

(13:44):
is not in the ground as a retaining wall, or
the wall's not a retaining wall as such. No, is
the building finished and it's leaking.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Yeah, we're just about there, yep.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So all the down pipes, flashing, spouting, everything.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Is right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
I am quite curious as to where that leak might
be coming from, because it would require a lot of
water to force its way through what is effectively one
hundred and ninety mili block that's then grouted if it's
solid filled. Right, So, potentially do the block sit on

(14:31):
top of the concrete slab or do the blocks extend
from the foundations up and the slab is cast into
the side of.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
It if you record out of it, on top of it.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
They sit on top of right? And where are you
seeing the water?

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Most of the water was down the bottom.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Down the bottom at that junction between the slab.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
Yeah, and there was a little, just a little, a
couple of little pitches sort of midway up.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
And the block wall is it only one wall and
then the other walls are timber framed that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Or is the whole garage block wall?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
No, just the one, just the one wall.

Speaker 10 (15:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean, look, I think you should be talking to
the builder and go, hey, look what's the plan here.
The other thing is obviously this work. If it's a
block wall and it's required for fire rating, the work
will have a building consent be interesting to have a
look on the building consent to see what is required
on the exterior typically for and I've seen unpainted masonry

(15:34):
walls not lead in water for decades, right, So I
am genuinely a little bit surprised. But I would say, look,
have a talk to the builder, Talk to them about
what flashings might still need to go on, where the
spouting has to go on, down pipes have to go on,
that sort of thing. That might actually solve the problem.
But the other thing is just in general, what you

(15:54):
can do is seal the masonry wall, So seal the
blocks on the exterior with preferably a pigmented sealer so
something like shore Seal right from razine, and then paint
it with X two hundred, which is essentially a waterproofing
paint right designed specifically for masonry surfaces, so you can

(16:18):
use it on plaster, you can use it on blocks,
et cetera. And that will give you a waterproof membrane
on the exterior of there, and that will seal up
any minor pores and bits and pieces where water might
be coming through. But I would still have a serious
discussion with the builder about what flashings need to be
done where the drainage goes. And I presume the ground

(16:41):
level on the outside of the block will isn't going
to be elevated. It's not like there's a requirement to
do waterproofing there or anything like that. Okay, Yeah, have
a look on the consent too, because it may well
specify that the wall needs to be painted, and it
might specify a particular product.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Okay, alrighty, okay, let us know how you get on. Alrighty,
take care.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to two ninety two
on the text. A couple of interesting texts coming through
with regard to our first call it to be fair
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'll take a short
break back with Dean in a moment. If you'd like
to join us. The lines are open. Some fascinating texts

(17:28):
coming in off the back of Paul's comments, not so
much necessarily about the particular choice of tool and all
the rest of it, just around attitudes to safety and look,
we all work at home, right. If you're listening to
the show, chances are you've you've done some work. You
might have used a ladder, or you've had a couple

(17:49):
of sawhorses with a plank on it, or you've had
a sander that you've used to strip back some timber,
or in some case you might have a power tool,
a drill or a driver, or a multi tool, or
a jigsaw, or a receip saw or a chainsaw, or
a weed eater or a motor motor motama. Sorry, you
know all of these items, right. If we're this whole

(18:12):
show is about doing it yourself, right, So if you're
going to do it yourself, you're probably gonna mean it.
I was sharpening chisels on Friday, right, chisels are well
sharp now because I sharpened them. You know all of
these things, And I have to say in my own head,
I often have to consciously remind myself when I'm using
a table saw or saw bench. I've got to remember

(18:33):
that this thing wants to take my bits off, right,
It wants to take my finger off if I get
too close to that blade. And I know guys who
have lost either whole fingers, parts of fingers, parts of
thumbs and that sort of thing. You know, you do
you have to keep that presence of mind to go
that blade. If it's cutting that piece of timber that

(18:55):
I'm watching go through the blade, then it's not going
to have a problem with one of my digits. But
that's about your own presence of mind, your own awareness
of the situation, and your own control around health and
safety and proper practices around power tools, all of which

(19:19):
will hurt you if you.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Don't use them.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Dean. Good morning, Good Dane.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Morning Pete.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
Yep, sorry, mate, just said the microphone in the wrong place. Yeah,
couldn't agree. Couldn't agree more. Our tools are dangerous, inherently dangerous.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Look like, I was looking at some gear the other day,
and I've got some stuff which has real, you know,
additional safety features that are really useful. So a grinder
that I use, for example, has a mechanism and it's
beyond me to explain it. That means that when you
overtalk it.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
It will stop. Right.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
So if you're cutting, let's say, with a grinder, and
you're pressing too hard, you've twisted the blade and you're
putting too much pressure onto the cutting, it will trip out. Now,
that's useful because typically the next stage after that is
it will kick back right, and that's dangerous. And I
was looking at some gear the other day where they

(20:16):
had that feature into a drill and again the same thing.
I have a small fracture on my left wrist where
the drill I was using when I was drilling through
a steel bean bit and the drill just dragged my
arm around and cracked it into the steel to the
edge of an ee bean and hey, presto, there's a
small little fracture there. Us kind of wondering why it

(20:38):
hurts so much. But anyway, so you know, I mean,
I think it's great that there are additional safety features
in power tools, but ultimately, if it's your workspace, you're
responsible for who's there and their competency and your own,
is my opinion. Yeah, anyway, that's not probably what we were
going to talk about, Deane.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Tell me what's.

Speaker 10 (20:58):
So We're getting a house very extensively re roosted and hated, right,
and it's a house, and so well, the scaffolds. It's
been suggested that I should replace the gathering.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yep, sounds sensible.

Speaker 10 (21:12):
It's yeah, the gathering's okay, it doesn't really need to
be replaced, but you know it probably will sometime the
next ten years or so. Sure, So my question is basically,
how much does it cost to head flash windows? And
how much does it cost to put gathering on in
your experience? Okay, so the scaffolding is already up, so

(21:36):
you know that cost has already been absorbed. Yes, we're
so nothing additional there. So we have sixteen head flashings,
some of which are very definitely marginal. I mean, the
house is one hundred years old, so okay, time with you, yep, yep.
So basically we have sixteen of these things that could
be replaced. What does it cost to replace a head

(21:57):
flashing on a window? As a ballpark figure?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
A couple of questions for exterior clading is a weatherboard
and a traditional style weatherboard or a rusticided board?

Speaker 10 (22:08):
No, just traditional, okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
And so the head flashing sits over the top of
the facings. There's probably a little like a headboard that's
slightly sloped and timber, and then the flashing itself sits
over that and then tucks up to the underneath the
board above, so it's not recessed into the timber.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
No, it's not recessed or it is the old style
pete I imagined. You know, you've got your window projecting
out to right, You've got a weather ball behind it,
and there's a flashing that sits on it weather board
and folds over the window, and it's it. Yes, yeah,
it might it might lodge into the weather board above
the weather board above the window. Yeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Basically yeah, Okay.

Speaker 10 (22:52):
What could you expect to pay peer flashing to take
the old one off? You know, you know, you cramp
a new one presumably, and then put the new one on.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I mean, I'm just thinking about that. Like, let's say
you've well one, chances are the flesh won't be standard, right,
so you have to go to site measure probably each
window and get them folded up. So that's going to
cost you, you know, a couple of hours of work,
and then the flashings, the freshings probably will cost you
over a thousand bucks for the oh maybe not that much.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Let's say it's five hundred bucks for the flashings themselves.

Speaker 10 (23:25):
It's not basically a big long window.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
But you know, by the time you send it off
to someone, they've got to cut them all. They've got
to fold them. You've got to get the angle right
and all the rest of it. So if you get that,
but right then when you arrive back on site with
all of your flashings number one through sixteen, you've got
to pull the old one off. You've got to pry
open the gap between the lower and the upper weatherboard.
You've got to take the old one out. You've got

(23:50):
to fold the ends round, so there's a little bit
of funky sort of cutting and folding that you need
to do because they're all bespoke, and then slide it
up and put a couple of pins through the side.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Look.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
To be fair, I would probably.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Allow an hour per window to move a flashing, making
new one and put one in.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I could probably do.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
It a little bit faster than that, but I think
if I was quoting, i'd probably allow close to an
hour per window, so it'd be a two day job.
Chippies at sixty bucks an hour, you know you're talking
twelve to fourteen hundred dollars plus the materials could be
almost a two thousand dollars exercise. And I know I'm
going to get a bunch of texts in a minute.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
Agoousand dollars we're talking sixteen flashings here. Yeah, so you're
saying about one thousand dollars to flashing, were you?

Speaker 11 (24:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
No, no, no, no, I was thinking to buy the flashings,
to buy all of them, I think it'd be I
think it's probably more like five hundred bucks right to
go and get them made by someone and have them.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Do they need to be stainless? Well, now to comply.

Speaker 10 (24:53):
All sixteen one thousand dollars in total?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
No, five hundred. Let's make it five hundred for sixteen, right.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
Five hundred for sixteen or so, Yeah, somewhere between a
five hundred.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
And then let's allow two days work for a carpenter,
so at sixty bucks an hour or something like that. Yeah,
it'll be a fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred dollars exercise,
I would think, and spouting interestingly enough, I heard an
ad actually running on this station the other day that
for its continuous group doing starting at twenty six dollars

(25:28):
a linear meter.

Speaker 10 (25:29):
Now, yes, which raises my second question, So how much
do you think it would cost to put in thirty
three meters of gathering? There's nothing special about the gathering,
and they are talking about having brackets every four hundred mili.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Good.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
There's about nine outlets yep, and end caps and clips
and stuff. So thirty three meters skateboarding is already up,
so no extra costs for that.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Twenty three members.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I mean, thirty three meters is actually not that much,
to be fair, but if there's you know, droppers are
more expensive than a straight run. You've got to do
end caps and that sort of thing. I mean, I've
done some numbers. I've come up with sixteen hundred bucks,
but let's call it two.

Speaker 10 (26:11):
Grand two grand?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, okay, so where have you ended up with?

Speaker 10 (26:15):
Quotes?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
And for good reason you can understand why I'm reluctant
to sort of discuss numbers, because it's different areas and
I don't want to comment on anyone else's.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
Work, particularly special. Right, So thirty three meters five thousand,
one hundred and twenty plus.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Gsc sorry how much? Five thousand, five.

Speaker 10 (26:38):
One hundred and twenty and I just couldn't get my
head around it. So I did some pricing for one.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hundred and fifty five dollars a linear meter.

Speaker 10 (26:46):
Yeah cool, wait, friky.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Krakey yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
So I thought, well, gosh, there must be a lot
more guttering than I thought, so I asked how much,
how many meters and he consumed, there's thirty three meters
of guttering nine outdates. We need to replace all the
end kept and clips. To replace the external bends on
the bottom level, we'll be using stainless or screws, very
gutter brackets, so they'll be putting brackets in every four hundred.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Milk basically, yeah, but screws are not Unit wasn't talking.

Speaker 10 (27:18):
About this though, peak, which I thought a bit surprising.
The gathering code also includes installing timber in between the
current timber fixings. Now that I don't quite understand. Yes,
because basically all but one chunk there is one bit
there where the gathering is basically sitting on nothing. So
they need to put another board and take the existing
gathering off put a board in, But that's about two

(27:40):
three meters worth of you know. The rest of them
they just attached to the body. We call them faces,
I guess, like normal gathering.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, so yeah, okay, Well, I mean maybe you could
tag that out and say that's a five hundred dollars
cost or something like that to do that extra.

Speaker 10 (27:56):
But I just don't see where this coat comes from.
I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense. Can you
just can you just remind me what you said you
think the gathering should go? Well, no, I thirty three meters.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, I'm listening to z B during the day, and
I know that there's a company they're advertising and they're saying, hey,
look spouting starting from twenty nine dollars a meter. I
put in fifty dollars a meter, and I came up
with a sort of a sixty sixteen hundred dollars fee.

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Right, So they're fifty dollars for meter that you're talking about, Pete.
That is basically to get the materials, get you know,
and the bits and in caps and screws and go
and blah blah blah. It's the fifty dollars a meter
and that's installed.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
You reckon?

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, typically yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
So.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Look the beauty of it is and this is the
beauty of capitalism. You get more than one quote, right,
And so you invited people.

Speaker 10 (28:47):
People doing the rufic, so in for those heads snatings, Pete,
what do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (28:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Look, I again, you know, I don't know the circumstances,
don't know how complicated, but you know. I know, having
done especially on villas. I know having done a lot
of work on villas, they can be time consuming. So
if I if I was looking at it myself, i'd
allow myself an hour per window, right, so it'd be
a two day job. And then I so at sixty

(29:12):
bucks an hour, you can figure that out and then say, well, look,
I'm going to go and get a whole bunch of
flashings made up and we're going to put five hundred
dollar fee on that. That's roughly where you are. It'd
be interesting if someone does text and go I'm either
too high or too low, but look, great thing is
hopefully ask around, get a couple of extra quotes, and
then go from there.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Let us know how you get on.

Speaker 10 (29:33):
Take care.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
My pleasure.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Nice to talk to you, Bob, your news talks. It'd
be if you've got a question of a building nature
and it's it's broad right. It can be around product selection,
it can be around tool use. John, I'm more than
happy to talk about, you know, selecting the right tool
for the job. And yeah, I'm really keen to talk
about safety as well. I think these figures are a

(29:56):
little bit out of date, but I know from some reading.
I did maybe a year or two ago, ACC pay
out about seventy six million dollars and compensation or funding
for people that have injuries at home as a result
of falling from ladders. The total amount that they would

(30:16):
pay out on sort of home injuries, let's say, caused
by power tools actually on my list as well to
reach out and go. It'd be really fascinating to know
what that number would be. And I don't want to
make light of people having injuries, but I also don't
want people to feel that somehow the power tool is

(30:39):
responsible for the injury, not the operator. Most of the
time it's the operator. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is six forty
seven here at news Talk said quick text with regard
to the conversation with Dean was that including or excluding scaffolding.
That was the whole point of the part of the
story was that the scaffolding was already up because they
were doing roof for replacements. And I mean scaffolding's are

(31:01):
significant costs. So yeah, just purely for the materials in labor.
Hello and good morning, Oh, good morning.

Speaker 13 (31:08):
I have a seventy year old house or remu I'm
getting two double doors put in. They are what you
have in front of the mosque, So each one is
four point five kg that carved so and they are
higher than the existing doorway. I'm replacing it, taking the
old doorway out and putting the ornamental things in as

(31:32):
an ornament.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
But they will also be a door.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
They will.

Speaker 14 (31:35):
But when they join together.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
There has so the top above the door has to.

Speaker 9 (31:42):
Be heightened by about two fifty and they have to
be made wide. But there's room for that. What sort
of a cost should they be?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Look, I'm really reluctant to get into the whole. Can
you quote a job for me without seeing it? The
other thing that I would point out to you in
is that that what you're describing there, The fact that
you want to widen the opening also triggers a requirement
for a building consent.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
In an internal door.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Internal door Okay, no, probably not, but if it's a
load bearing wall, then you will definitely need to have
some specific engineering or design done. So the lintel will
need to be sized to take the load above.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
And look hanging old.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Doors that are slightly twisted and all the rest of it. Okay,
all right, either way, it's still.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Quite a lot of work.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
So look, there is no point in me offering up
a price because I'm not doing the work right. So
the best bet is to find a contractor that's recommended
to you, someone who's got some skills.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
I know, the builder is very good.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Okay, eighty bucks.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
An now, yep, that's that's where Chippy's are sitting at
the moment. To be fair, labor rates are coming back,
but that will depend on where you are in the
country and what type of work. And you know, what
you're asking them to do is it's not outside of
what most people would be able to do every day,
but it will require a set of skills that's probably

(33:25):
to be fair beyond some people. So I think the
best bet is to get a you know what the
hourly rate is. They should be able to tell you.
I think it's going to take me two days, three days,
you know, something like that. Shouldn't really be much more
than that, and then if you're happy with the price,
go ahead, and if you're not, then find another price. So,
like I said, not really wanting to engage in lots

(33:46):
of discussion around how much do you think it should cost?
Just get an extra price. Good luck to you in Liz.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Hello there, Hello, how are you today?

Speaker 9 (33:55):
Good?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 15 (33:56):
It's it.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
I decided to get a new garage door installed because
the other one was old and apparently the other and
has had trouble with the garage door on trying to
open it with a remote. Yes, anyway, installed this lovely
new garage door, and the garage door just seems to

(34:18):
like to open whenever it feels like right.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Look, if it's a new door, then there will be
warranties and guarantees around the door. So it's just a
case of going back to the supplier or to the
installer and explaining that to them it just simply shouldn't happen.

Speaker 9 (34:37):
So it's some installed for new motors already. Then I
had to get a Sparky in to check, putting a
new plug up the top yep and then the Sparky
in check, which was fantastic or my worrying to see
what there was no faults in my warrant and it's

(34:59):
still opening.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
I tell you what, I wonder whether it's worth getting
next time someone comes out to check it, getting a
new remote and programming it again because it is quite
possible that someone nearby has a very similar remote and
when they open their door, your door opens as well.
That you'd want to that that can happen, right.

Speaker 9 (35:23):
We've gone through that Scenarioka and his program Offsite offside.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Wow and its look ultimately, you know you, I know
it's it can become disheartening to constantly be ringing the contractor,
but that's not how doors a garage doors are supposed
to work. So it's completely the responsibility of the contractor
to keep fixing it at no cost to you.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
Yes, well, well I have to pay for the sparky.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, that's that's okay, that's an upgrade. But in terms
of actually getting the door to stay closed until you
want it to open, is what they need to do
for you.

Speaker 15 (36:04):
And and.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I can imagine the frustration.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
But you've just got the insecurity of having a door.
Like I was watching the Olympics the other n I
went to bed at one thot and the garage door
wide open.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
I don't know enough about them to make a comment
around that, but you know, please persist with phoning them,
and you know, if you're not getting the right reply,
then you can seek redress through like the commuce commissioners
or just remind them of their responsibilities under the Consumer
Guarantees Act. That tends to get people operating a little

(36:48):
bit better.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
So good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, it's not easy, all right, you take care? See then, crikey.
That would be quite disconcerting, wouldn't it if you wake
up in the morning and find that garage doors open
and it's just opened randomly.

Speaker 15 (37:05):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I like this song.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
You and New Stalks at b We're into the second
hour of the show. Welcome back.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Number to call if you've got a building question or
a building related question. And we did, interestingly have a
bit of a conversation around safety, and I guess it's
around sort of responsibility that I'm very aware that many
of us will do work at home, and while we're
doing it, we'll have tools, and some of them will

(37:38):
be power tools, some will be hand tools. Generally, most
tools are sharp, and most tools can hurt you. If
you've ever hit your thumb with a hammer, it hurts.
If you've ever cut yourself with a saw, it hurts.
If you've ever slipped off a ladder, it hurts. So
a little bit of discussion around safety and machinery was good,
and just before the break we were talking with Liz

(37:59):
who mentioned a garage door, a replacement garage door that
seems to have a mind of its own and what
might be causing that, And ultimately it does come down
to the contractor being coming back and sorting out a
couple of texts on that we turn our door off
at night with a long pole for that reason security.

(38:21):
It seems to be how the door relates to the ground.
If it runs a bit on it can decide to
go back up. Yeah, but I know that that's what
happens when you're tuning the door, right, So if it
comes down, it sort of does a bounce thing and
you have to reset the travel on the door to
ensure that it doesn't think that it's hit something and
comes back up. But typically that happens when you're either

(38:45):
when you're closing the door, it bounces back up. But
for it to randomly open at one o'clock in the morning,
that's a slightly different question regarding yeah, someone else has
ticked through, just with regard to doors being inadvertently opened
by other remote.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Controlls in the area. So you have to look at that.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
We'll take some calls on all things building and building
related here at Newstalk z B. It is coming up
to ten minutes eight minutes after seven.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
A very good morning, Oh good morning.

Speaker 16 (39:22):
I just heard the lady for the news, and my
comments mirror the ones you've just read out from text.
Which was my first reaction was we'll turn the thing
off at the PowerPoint at night time, which we do.
If you know we're going to be away for a
period of prime on holiday, you just turn the switch
so that they can't it can't go up to it.

(39:45):
So it won't solve a problem, but in the meantime
for it to feel secure. If she has a post
or broomstick or something and just switch pushes the switch
off at least when she's finished for the day, she
knows it won't open. Yes, she turns it back on
again the same. We do the same the door. If
the wind comes from a certain direction that makes the

(40:07):
door rattle. So if that case, I go out and
lift up the wire as there's an older door, but
the wire thing and hook it up over it.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Oh, you hook it off the hook.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
Unhook it off the hook, so the locks actually lock
on either side of it at the bottom so that
that stops the wind from rattling. And then when the
storm's over, I go back and I put the wire
back over the hook and it's back into automatic mode.
So's it's just, yeah, it won't solve her problem, but
it might help her peace of mind if you well until.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
The problem was solved. That's probably not a bad step
to take. It if you worried that you're going to
wake up in the morning and find the garage door open,
then at nighttime when you close it, turn the switch
off and it'll stay closed.

Speaker 16 (40:51):
And there is that tiny uncertainty with those doors. I
was driving home at two thirty one night past the
neighbor's place and saw their door wide open and thought,
oh no, it's got all sorts of stuff in there,
and cleansing his hunting rifles. I'll go and wake him
up at two thirty in the morning, hopefully he won't mind.

(41:12):
And he said, oh shit, thank.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
You so much.

Speaker 16 (41:14):
Yes, it's got my hunting rifles in there, I think.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Hopefully be in a safe and all the rest of it.

Speaker 16 (41:20):
But yeah, they were all his antlers and his head,
oh crack, all his meat in the freezer and things
like that, and I'm going, well, I think you'll prefer
me waking you up and then finding out in the
morning that's coming. Yeah, but he thought he'd shut it
from the house, that he pressed the button as he
went into the house and didn't look back. Yeah, and

(41:42):
of course it hadn't shut.

Speaker 14 (41:43):
Brilliant in that case.

Speaker 16 (41:44):
So you've got to you've got to check.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Appreciate the call, lovely to chat all the best, Thank
you very much. Quick text on the lady with the
garage door issue. Take the batteries out of all of
the remotes and see if that stops it happening. Then
it may show that if it's in the motor brain
or in the remote controls. Very good suggestion, Roger, Good
morning to you.

Speaker 15 (42:04):
How are you, Peter. I haven't talked to you for
a while.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Nice to hear from you. You will.

Speaker 15 (42:08):
Yeah. About machinery and it's safety and I work for
Ray Golfinch for eight years working on machinery all day
and every day, yep, And there was no There was
no safety cover for the switches. There was no The
on off switch was simple and it was easy to

(42:28):
get at if you needed to turn it off anytime.
So therefore, really the guy is talking rubbish, and nobody
would sell you a machine with a flap over the
switch that stops you from turning it off as well
as on.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
H Actually, I'm thinking like I got no, I've got
that arrangement on a dust extractor that I have in
my workshop in the garage, right. So there is a
flap that you have to release and lift up in
order to turn the dust extractor on. And then when

(43:07):
you put the flat back down, it has a red
button on the top, which means that if you need
to turn it off quickly, you can just hit that
so you can turn it off without doing any intervention.
But you can only turn it on with a two
step process, which is modern.

Speaker 15 (43:25):
That's a bit that's modern.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Pretty good situation. The table saw that I currently have
has essentially a toggle, so to turn it on you
have to lift it up, as in just you know,
leave it up right. It's it's not a it's just
a one step thing. You just put your fingers undereath it,
flick it up. But it also means that if you
need to turn it off quickly, it's simply a downward

(43:48):
motion and it's off what.

Speaker 15 (43:50):
I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah,
his his if he's buying machinery for a workshop at
home where the kids are around, he should take the
pair supply away from each of the machines when he's
not using it.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
And that it's a really simple safety precaution right.

Speaker 15 (44:08):
Well in it's common sense.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
And look, you know, over the years, I'm sure most
of us have used power tools inside the house, possibly
when other people are around, and that sort of thing.
So you're right if you're not standing by, you know,
like a circular saw for example, back in the day
that we had, you know, used more corded tools than
cordless ones for example.

Speaker 15 (44:31):
Of course that's negated there isn't it.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Right, Well, it has.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
But interestingly enough, like all of the cutting tools that
I have, I would you know, in terms of circular saw,
recep saw, jigsaw and those sorts of things all have
it's not just to pull the trigger, right, they all
have an additional either a toggle or a lever or

(44:54):
something like that that you have to depress before you
can pull the trigger.

Speaker 15 (44:58):
So the circular not to mention all those modern tools,
now you pull the batrio and that stops everything doesn't.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
And that's absolutely true as well. But you know, so
there is more inbuilt safety, but which I think is
good because it does mean that, you know, for something
like a circular sort, for example, if that's left unattended
for a moment and somebody does wander and think, oh,
I wonder what happens when I grab the trigger, that's
it prevents someone from doing that. But ultimately, my attitude

(45:27):
has always been, you know, if it's my gear, then
I'm responsible for the environment and I'll make sure that
it doesn't stay on or that I'm supervising it correctly.

Speaker 15 (45:38):
Yeah. I had machinery around the place all my fifty
years of building and never never had any problem. Still
got all my own fingers, and I did a lot
of work for Gregolf, a lot of machinery work for
Rey golfinch right, a lot of it, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I do know that name, yeah.

Speaker 15 (45:57):
Grason Avenue, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got two
boys that would be your age.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
He might be right because my dad's factory was down
there as well. Yeah, Grace Avenue. I drove by there
the other day. Actually it's changed a bit, but well,
In fact, when when Dad had the factory there, Grace
Nevenue didn't go all the way through, It stopped at
a kind of where duff at Doors was and that
sort of thing.

Speaker 15 (46:21):
And that's where you their concrete outfit too.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah, that's right at the end, brilliant. Hey, lovely to
talk to you, Roger, better move On's nice to talk
to you by by then. So the reason that we
were a couple of old codges reminiscing is that my dad,
when he was in business, had a factory. We made metal.
Dad made metal furniture and anchors in a small factory
that he established in Grace Avenue, and Worry Papa Toy

(46:49):
and obviously Roger Goldfinchers were down there as well. Duffer
he was actually was a polystyrene manufacturing factory across the
road that burnt down one night. That was kind of
scary but kind of exciting as well. And a couple
of other businesses that I still remember from back in
the day. One hundred and eighty eighty is that number
to call Grant A very good morning to you, sir.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Yeah, Hyde, just some ideas with the door, sure, okay,
so the old doors have the old star remotes just
with you a little battery in it, but they are
they are prone to being opened by people that might
have scanners unfortunately or something else. Some of the new
doors have Wi Fi opening. Ah, so that's quite good.

(47:37):
That's much much better.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
This is a new door, by the way, so it's
a replacement door that's been installed and now they've got
this issue where it's intermittent.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
So here's a remedy for those people that have the
old remote but might be having this problem of the
door it's on the opening or finding it open. It
may have been just you know, like for instance, there's
it was a scenario of certain vehicles run at certain
frequencies going past the street and doors kind of opening.

(48:11):
You might have heard about that before. Well, anyway, we'll
forget about that. But for that lady, she's just got
a old style remote. But if she, if she has
a smartphone and maybe WiFi, has put a little Wi
Fi plug between on on that circuit that she can

(48:35):
turn on as she drives up. She can pack up
for thirty seconds, use a smartphone to use it to
turn the Wi Fi plug on which powers the powers
the door, and then she can use her remote and
then and then when she's left left the building, she

(48:56):
can turn the Wi Fi plug off and she knows
that the the door is who's not being powered she's away. Okay,
Wi Fi plug, you'd flail all for about twenty bucks
and then just and then just program it with your
your Wi Fi Internet and your your that goes with

(49:17):
the Wi Fi plug.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Would that mean that it would override the remote?

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Like?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Could she have both systems operating?

Speaker 5 (49:25):
The Wi Fi plug is? All it's doing is turning
on the power to the door, right, So the first
thing you do is you just drive up to the door,
go to your smartphone and the Wi Fi plug on
the door, then hit the remote and up comes the door.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
And you can do that Wi Fi plug just in
that individual plug. It's not like a smart wiring with
throughout the house.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's quite a few. There's for instance, just
for when I know quite close by that that that
door is, how just off a conventional plug that's in
the garage way and you just put it, plug it in,

(50:11):
plug it into the wall socket and then plug the
cord from the from the door into the brilliant into
the Wi Fi plug.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Well, I appreciate that ground.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's awesome, much appreciate it. You have a great day
actually talking about power this week, there's a place that
I look after, and there was there's been some infrastructure
upgrade work happening in the street, including a notice that hey, look,
the power is going to be off while we underground
power to a certain number of houses, including the one
that I look after, and so there's been correspondent. So

(50:45):
over the last couple of weeks there's been activity in
the street. There's been excavations and there's been you know,
patching of pavement and excavation of pavement and installation of pits.
And then was it Tuesday they came along and livened
up the new underground supply to the house, which also
means new cable into the meter board outside. Then electrical

(51:07):
inspectors have to come through and test the connection so
independently of the contractor and then confirm that that's safe
and then the power could go back on and the
guys are up, you know, unclipping overheadlines and all phenomenal
to watch. It's quite more actually, and they did an
awesome job, which is great. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

(51:28):
eighty we'll talk someone text through before can I talk
to you about power tools?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Mate? We can talk about power tools all day long.
Give us a call.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty when New Talk said
B and we're I've unplugged myself.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I'm not as incompetent with tools in the house. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Matt A very good morning.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Oh, good morning morning mate?

Speaker 11 (51:57):
You do yeah, yeah, very good, look like chext through
saying can we hear the talk about tools as some advice.
I've just borrowing a table sawer from my father in law,
an older one, and I'm quite keen to buy one,
but he's such a variety out there.

Speaker 14 (52:16):
Yes, and I'm not very good at.

Speaker 11 (52:19):
Buying just rubbish tools. I'm a bit of a kida person.
I've got some old Tashi Jop saws and I'd like
to stay within one of those brands. But I mean,
there's so much variety in the cost. You know, just
a bit of advice about you know what you should
be looking at?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, sure, and look.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
It is a it's a tricky one in that You're right,
there is a lot of variety and there's a there's
variety in terms of quality, and it's it's it's often
about like we know that there are like you can
buy a cordless drell for one hundred and twenty bucks, right,
and you can buy a cordless drill for five hundred

(53:00):
bucks and both of them ultimately drill holes. Right, But
the difference is often around run time.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
It's about you as a user, how much time are
you going to be using it and sort of what
performance do you need from it. If you're working around
the home and you use it intermittently, then chances are
one hundred and twenty dollars cordless drill, for example, will
do what you need it to do ninety five percent

(53:31):
of the time. Now, if you're a commercial operator and you're,
for example, screwing roofing down or something like that, and
you're doing that all day long, then you're going to
need to choose something from the other end of the range.
Table saws. I guess if I was choosing one and
I'm thinking about the one that I've got at home
without revealing what that particular brand might be. One of

(53:52):
the things that I'm often really critical about some of
the table saws is they only clamp at one side.
So the ripping guide right the fence I think should
be able to be clamped or should clamp and locate
at both ends of the guide, because that holds it
a lot more secure than just being at one end
of the guide. So that would be part of my
criteria there. The other thing is, I guess I know

(54:15):
power tools are expensive, particularly if you buy them brand new.
Over the years, I've actually bought a reasonable amount of
gear secondhand, and sometimes that can be quite I mean,
sometimes you can end up with rubbish, so you've got
to be a bit careful. I absolutely loathe with a
passion people that steal power tools and then sell them.

(54:37):
So I think you've got to be super cautious around
buying from some one who you think might have stolen
or come into possession of stolen goods. So you've got
to be a bit careful around that.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Seriously.

Speaker 15 (54:50):
I love.

Speaker 11 (54:53):
A real market for that type of stolen tols, and
you know, very hard to people don't record these serial
numbers and all that sort of you know, you sort
of going off track of.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
That, no, but look on that though, like a thing
that I have been part of and I would encourage
as the police through some of their community policing thing,
we'll do programs with they'll they'll engrave or get tradees
to engrave their driver's license number onto their power tools.
And I've done exactly the same with mine, so you know,

(55:25):
all of my gear has got my driver's license on it,
because you know, I might paint my tools green and go,
oh that's great, now I know which are mine. But
if the police, you know, kick the door down on
a meth house right and find there's a room full
of power tools, and this is exactly what happens, and
then hey, look, you know I've painted mine green or I've.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Put p W on it. Well, who the hell's p W?
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I mean, Whereas if you've got the driver's license, even
if it's not your, you know, like let's say I've
sold it to you, right, but at least if it
gets pinched from you, then they'll contact me and I'll go, oh,
that's right. I sold it to Matt a couple of
years ago, you know, and it's legitimate, So I think
that's great. But it look in terms of selecting the
power I think you've got to look at obviously you've

(56:08):
got to look at price, you've got to look at
some of the basic features that the tool will have.
And you know, again you might end up spending not
that much on a table sort for example, but it does,
you know, like I think it's really important. The guide
gets clamped at both ends. And then sometimes what happens
with more budget tools is they come with not particularly

(56:30):
good quality blades. So often swapping the blade out and
getting a really good blade into it can actually make
the difference. But all you know, but you've got to
be realistic too, And I get frustrated with people that go, oh, look,
I bought this table saw and it cost me four
hundred bucks and I was trying to rip down, you know,
forty meters of hardwood and it's darnell. You know, seriously, mate,

(56:50):
that's that's not what you should be doing with that tool.

Speaker 11 (56:55):
Do you do you have anything to say? You know,
sort of right, the wattage one of the themes I'm
looking at. It's been a thousand odd dollars. Yeah, it's
good quality, comes with the built in stein, it's got
an arbor, so you put data or data blade into it.
Rack and pinion. But it's only fifteen hundred.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
What I think fifteen hundred will would do?

Speaker 7 (57:19):
You?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 11 (57:25):
Oh and I agree around what you said about Second
End at tools of just can I speak to that brand?

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Yeah, I don't mind you you can.

Speaker 11 (57:34):
So, yeah, good Second End HTASHI older model C or
seating FSB condition, A good solid saw, really well looked after.
I think, you know, that's a lifetime saw.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I ran that saw for about fifteen years, so I
know it intimately in a sense. They're awesome, they really are.

Speaker 11 (58:02):
Yeah, And then you know, I know they're not. You
know a lot of people going to these forty volt systems,
but you know for power or brilliant.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I haven't moved to that yet, but you know, at
this point in time, like the the two drop saws
that I have fine, right, so I don't need to upgrade. Certainly,
I know a lot of a lot of contractors who
are moving to cordless drop saws, and by all accounts,
you know, I'm still getting my head around the performance there,
but it's it's pretty damn good to be fair.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
Yeah, that main and mine has got a forty volt.
It's brilliant. However it's a lot more money.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, yeah, again, you know, it's one of those things
that if, for example, you're like for finishing work for
you know, if you're moving around the house doing finishing work,
I think having a cordless or battery powered set up
is fantastic. If you're working in a site where power
is a little bit unreliable, then that's fantastic as well.
But most of the time, I mean yeah, I mean, look,

(59:05):
I to be fair, I've still got, for example, a
corded skill saw at home. Have I used it much
over the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
No.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Does the battery powered gear that I've got suffice for
ninety nine percent of what I do one hundred percent.
It's amazing how quickly we've swapped across. Yeah, chat, okay, buddy,
take care. All the best followed then, Pete. Someone buying
a table so should also get a good pusher such

(59:37):
as the gripper to save their hands and fingers. Cheers
from Moz If you're wondering what that is, it's like
you shouldn't have your fingers any w near the blade, right,
So typically if you're cutting something that's smaller and you need.
It needs to be close to the blade. Then you
end up with a push stick and you can get
flash ones like the gripper and things like that. To

(59:57):
be fair, I make my own. I've made a number
of them over the years, and if you look online
there's all sorts of different varieties and so on. The
one that I made the other day has got a
lot handle on the top works absolutely fine. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Do we take break?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I think so let's do that and a bunch of
great texts as well. With regard to power tools, more
than happy to talk tools, particularly around you know, I
suppose it's a competency thing where you need to have
the time on the tool to become competent in its

(01:00:34):
use without becoming complacent, because that's that's when things go wrong.
We'll come back and talk more about tools. We'll talk
all things building construction here at new Stalk SeeDB. The
lines are open. The number is eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty back in a moment your.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
News stalk s hed B.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
And to be fair, I'm kind of in a happy
place talking about power tools, so we can talk power tools.
We can talk power tool safety usage and that sort
of thing, and it's I'm very much in favor of
you encouraging.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Anyone to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Purchase and use and develop their skills with power tools.
So I'm very conscious, having, you know, years and years
of working with people, some of whom have had life
changing injuries as a result of incidents involving power tools,
that safety is also powera amount that I'm absolutely convinced to.

(01:01:24):
Safety always, most cases always comes down to the competency
and the attitude and the awareness of the operator.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Every now and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Then, you know, tools will kind of bite you in
the sense that they fail and that becomes a problem.
But nine times out of ten, it's always about the operator.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Parvin. Good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:01:49):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Good morning?

Speaker 14 (01:01:50):
I'm well, thanks, sadly about I've got about nineteen seventy
property and when it rains, not every time, but it's
what it comes through the popular window into the house. Yep,
you haven't heard of anything like that before. What the
best way we live that would be?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
It really comes down to finding out where and why, right,
so you can fix it if you know exactly where
it's coming from. It's interesting that it owns it doesn't
happen every time it rains. So what that tells me
is that it's about a combination of wind.

Speaker 14 (01:02:23):
And rain that kind of kind We didn't rule it that,
but we're not that could or not because that even
on non wind as it's come through as well close
to the window, yes, and worked our way good. We
couldn't just kind of like, yeah, lostedness system.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
So when you've if you're using a hose and ideally
not you know, with the hose on direct but use
it like the soaka setting or a sprinkler setting or
a shower setting or something like that, so that you've
got trying to replicate normal weather conditions and you couldn't
make it leak.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Then no, it did that.

Speaker 14 (01:03:06):
We got to a stadium, it didn't it, but you
couldn't stand to exactly. We kind of feeled the whole
area of ceiling.

Speaker 15 (01:03:12):
Yep, and we thought.

Speaker 14 (01:03:14):
About two three weeks later.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Okay, right, Yeah, it definitely only leaks when it rains. Yes, Okay, Now,
because it's a question I often ask people because sometimes
in fact the leak is not about the weather.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
It's about a pipe for example.

Speaker 14 (01:03:33):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, so it's just a sort of process of elimination, right, yeah,
I aluminium jewry, timber jowinery.

Speaker 14 (01:03:44):
Timber jewry. It's kind of weather on. It's got flatboards
in the middle with the window that she placed in the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Building, and above the window. What happens above the window
how far up to either the roof or to the
second story.

Speaker 14 (01:03:56):
It goes to a second story to another window which
doesn't which is really kind of strange because of this
window one above the other ones one on one story,
ones on the other, the top one doesn't think.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
It's unless potentially what's happening is that the top one
does leak, but it leaks at the sill and the
water is draining down through the building envelope, and then
you're seeing it on the lower story window. Does it
leak at the top of the bottom of the window.

Speaker 14 (01:04:24):
Top of the window comes through that l like you know,
you've got a window frame that comes from the top
of the frame. Basically just kind of natally, it's quite
hard sometimes, you know, it's just like when it's coming
through quite a lot, and it's sometimes it's just a
light to drop. Sometimes I'm not a gash of that
comes down quite a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, So when you were using the hose to get
it to leak, did it leak when you were on
the lower window? If you work from the sill up
to the head, did it leak when you hit the head?

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
It did?

Speaker 14 (01:04:54):
Okay, not a centure?

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Have you had a professional coming hell look around, because.

Speaker 11 (01:05:05):
It look at it and he went through and sealed
it as well.

Speaker 14 (01:05:08):
But he's said, of failing that, you must have the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Wall off and kind of investigate where it's actually coming from.

Speaker 14 (01:05:14):
Pretty much. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, that's what I got.
Just another quick fixel that the way that because I've
seen the stuff on TV, like I'm not onto, but
on Edge on Facebook where people put like a spray
or silicons.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah, I mean I've used those.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I've used those in the right setting, so for example,
corner of the spouting where the ceilant might have broken down, right,
or a long flashing where there's a junction that might
need to be sealed, or I think I even used
it on some really rotten clear light roofing and just
sprayed that over the top and it kind of worked
as a temporary fix. But in terms of effects for

(01:05:55):
what you've got, I don't know that you would that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Would be the solution.

Speaker 14 (01:05:59):
I want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Yeah, yeah, interesting that you like. If you can make
it leak, typically you can then identify if you know
where you're spraying the water, like when you do that investigation. Yeah,
I think so, and do it with someone on the

(01:06:23):
inside and someone on the outside so that you absolutely
typically that should identify it. And so I guess there's
a couple of things. One is it might be leaking
around the actual window frame, right, so if a sash
is not well fitted, you can get leakage around there.
Typically it'll leak around the head flashing, but in this instance,

(01:06:44):
with another window above, the leak might be happening there
and coming down. So i'd have a look at the
seal flashing there. Yeah, but apart from that, I think
it might be a little bit on your own. Their pardon,
good luck with it all. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is then number to call. We will take
another break. We'll come back to Leslie and a quick

(01:07:04):
text on the powertool theme.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Pick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
My husband has an old saw bench which he got
in the nineteen seventies, so it has no safety guard
on it. Can I buy one from Mary? You'd have
to scour, you know, trade me your second hand tools
and that sort of thing to find one. I certainly
don't think there'll be one on the shelves anymore. If
it's a nineteen seventy one, it's probably a good old

(01:07:27):
fashioned tenor that's what we had when I was doing
my early years of building, big old heavy thing. Lugged
it on and off the trailer like he rattled, and
carried on cut plenty kitchens out with it, though. That
was a remarkable thing. Hello as and cut them and
made them not cut them up and got rid of

(01:07:47):
them like we used to.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Make our own kitchens, Leslie. Good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (01:07:51):
Yeah, good morning, Peter. Look I've got an area of
backlawn i'm doing away with, and I've put down matting
and I want to put some stones on top yep.
And I went to the quarry the other day to
find out, you know, because the guy asked what period
is and it's five x seven meters, yes, And I
couldn't understand how many stones, you know, he was talking

(01:08:14):
meters or something. I just couldn't understand he.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Would typically do a measurement in cubic meters. And so
if so, it's five by seven year, right, and what
type of stones are you talking? Like river pebbles that sort.

Speaker 17 (01:08:29):
Of thing, yes, yes, not too light, but not you
not the big stone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah, like a decorative pebble types thing. So you would
probably put maybe fifty millimeters two inches of decorative pebble down.
Anything less than that it would be hard to get cover.
So let's let's assume that you're putting fifty millimeters down, Okay,
so to be seven by five, which is seven seven

(01:08:59):
times five equals thirty five times point oh five, which
is one point seventy five. So if you asked him
to deliver two cubic meters of stones, that would be
around Now, two cubic meters is not a small pile,
by the way, So an average eight by four trailer,

(01:09:23):
so an eight or two point four by one point
two trailer with a reasonable upstand on it will take
about a cubic meter, so it would be two trailer
loads of metal or these days they often will deliver
those sorts of landscaping supplies in one cubic meter bags.
So if you got two of those bags dropped off
that would give you enough to cover that area about

(01:09:45):
fifty millimeters deep.

Speaker 17 (01:09:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'll get him to deliver it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
And oh yeah, and then I'm thinking this would be
a great job for a young nephew or grandson or
something like that to barrow that around because there'll be
a little bit of work involved in that too.

Speaker 17 (01:10:00):
Oh yes, yes, yes, well worth you know, for them
to deliver. Yeah, absolutely, saying oh, you can hire a
trailer for thirty dollars, you know, And I said, I said,
do I have to do all the work to load
all the stone?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I know they'll load it, but it's the unloading which
is the hardbit. So yeah, yeah, I'd probably look at
getting someone to give you a hand at the other
end with a wheelbarrow and a shovel. And also when
you do that, when you clear that area, make sure
you put down some weed mat underneath the stone. That awesome, perfect, Yeah,

(01:10:40):
two cubic meters will get you there. Okay, okay, no
trouble at all. Nice to check see. Then I wait,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Ray A very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
Oh, good morning, we've got a downstairs tiled shower which
we've just replaced, and the tiler and breaking out the
existing tiles damaged the pipe that coast on the outlet
down the drain. Yes, he got a plumber and who

(01:11:11):
instead of putting a straight piece of pipe in which
was normally, he put a pipe with a bend, a
vertical bend in it. I guess it was easy to
access the point. So we haven't been able to use
the shower for a couple of weeks off and strive,
And yesterday we used the shower and we found that

(01:11:32):
the water didn't run away as quickly as it should.
Then we understand that it's because it's got a vertical
bend there the water. We ran it for about five
minutes and it pulled about one centimeter on the floor
of the shower before running away. Is that acceptable?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
It's not uncommon to have water build up. You know
that in the end of the volume of water coming
out of the shower heater is greater than what can
quickly get through through the trap and out. I suppose
the issue would be if you had a shower, Let's
say you do a three minute shower for example, and
at the end of that time you've found that you've

(01:12:16):
got two or three centimeters of water, or it's getting
to the point where it might overflow the hob, then
that's probably an issue. If it's a small amount of water,
it's not ideal, but it might not be the end
of the world. I suppose the thing to do would
be to get an assurance from the plumber that long
term you're not going to have any issues with that. Ideally,

(01:12:40):
you want the water to get away as quickly as possible.
And the damage to the existing was that to the
waste water outlet? Was that with what got broken?

Speaker 15 (01:12:53):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:12:54):
He was in jack cammering the tiles out that jackamer
went through the pipe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Right, did you I'm always a little bit cautious around
those sorts of repair, you know, where you can't see
it later on, and particularly is it on in a
concrete slab or yeah, it would have been yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
And I saw them put concrete encasement around it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Yeah. Did they test the line.

Speaker 7 (01:13:22):
So they put water down it? They put water down it?

Speaker 15 (01:13:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
No, Typically for testing what you would do is you'd
put a plug in the line, right so to block
it off and then fill the line with water and
make sure that it holds water.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
No, they didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
That in my mind, that wouldn't be an unreasonable thing
to ask the contractor to do, because chances are your
shower is one of the lowest outlets, right, so if
you if there's an inspection junction outside, you could take
that inspection cap off, install a plug or a bung
into the line, and then fill the shower until you

(01:14:06):
see the water coming up because obviously it can't escape,
so it will come up. And then you fill that.
That will mean that where the junction is, that connection
is then fully saturated. It's underwater. And so if the
level in the shower recedes, let's say over a two
hour period, then you know that there's a leak somewhere,

(01:14:29):
and I'd be I would always be concerned around that junction.
So I think doing a test is not an unreasonable
thing to ask.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
But a general water on the bottom at full bore
is probably not a big issue. I don't think it's
probably not the most desirable, but.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
No, it probably isn't. And I you know, sometimes we
just have to be a bit pragmatic around these things, right,
So no, that's probably not an issue.

Speaker 11 (01:14:54):
But I thought I.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
Had was to change the shower head to a less flow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I mean, look for a number of reasons, that's not
a bad idea. I mean, and to be fair, number
of new shower heads now are actually they're they're restricted
in some way, so they don't allow the same volume
of water. Should still be a comfortable shower in terms
of water efficiency, Yes, it's a good idea to have

(01:15:22):
a efficient Have you got.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
One time for one more question?

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:15:25):
Sure.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
We've got an engineered large bench top in our kitchen.
It's a black black colored and yesterday my wife put
a very hot cup on it and it made a
white mark yep. And then I got some silly me
got some arm just cleaner, yeah yeah, and I've tried

(01:15:52):
to remove it. First of all, I use method SPIRITSTO.
I used some cleaner, and the cleaner took the dullness
of the area, the black area, and there's probably a
two hundred mil sort of skirkle where I've tried to
take the mark away, but it's sort of flattened the color,

(01:16:15):
and I'm wondering how I can bring that color backer.
The very simple thing I thought about was keeping a
tin and nugget and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
No, no, no, right, right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
The best thing to do is to there are a
couple of companies out there that specialize in that sort
of remediation. As it happens, not a similar incident happened
close to home, in fact, in my home, and so
when I reached out and went to there's a couple
of companies around. There's people like bench top Doctor, for example,

(01:16:51):
who will come and do repairs to benchtops. Leave it
to the professionals, because I think anything you probably try
and do yourself, will you know, worsen it rather than
use that company In the end, I didn't. I've used
them on other jobs. So there's there's people that specialize
in stone. There's people that specialize in if you know

(01:17:14):
who installed the stone in the first place, go back
to them. They've probably got contacts for repairs and remediation.
But I think something like this it is really a
professional job. So have a scout around. I've used guys
who do acrylics, for example, but bench stops get a
professional and back after the break question of a building nature,

(01:17:36):
we are more than happy to talk about that. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call here at News Talk s DBC you with people
wolf Camp resident Builder.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Later on in the program, we have the delightful Recline
Past from eight thirty this morning. So if you've got
questions of a entomological I eat the Wonderful world of
bugs or a gardening nature then you can call us
around eight thirty this morning. Bit of an update from

(01:18:07):
the Olympics as well to answer the most recent question
text why is there no mention of Emma Tweg on
the silver medal? Well, the good news is is that
Francesca Rudkin has secured an interview with said Emma Twig
and they will be talking during Francesca's show, which starts
at nine o'clock this morning. So there you go, a

(01:18:28):
live interview. Oh W eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question we've been talking about. We've
got talking a little bit about power tools at the
beginning of the program and really around safety and what's
sort of an adequate a minimum level of safety in
terms of ensuring that if somebody who's unfamiliar with them,
or if a child comes into your workspace, what precautions

(01:18:51):
can there be. Now, I'm very much of the attitude
that if you're the one doing the job, and this
is whether you're a contractor, you're responsible for the environment
and for controlling that. If you're a homeowner like most
of us are, and we're doing work around the house,
then it becomes our responsibility. I think the person doing
the job to ensure that the environment is safe, and

(01:19:11):
that includes taking sensible precautions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Around power tools.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
If you and all of us, most of us would
have done this over the years. You're doing a job
at home and there might be small children floating around,
There might be people who are unfamiliar with power tools around,
so what are sensible precautions to ensure that they don't
either out of curiosity or lack of knowledge, inadvertently turn

(01:19:35):
on a power tool, cut themselves, hurt themselves in any way.
But ultimately, I think it always comes down to you
being in control of the environment, you setting the standards
for that. So we've had a whole number of texts
and calls around safety switches and one person who had
like a complete power override in their workshop so that

(01:19:58):
they could simply flip one switch and kill all of
the power or deenergize. This is a new word that
I learn this week when I was talking to some
guys who were doing taking overhead power lines and connected
or disconnecting those and doing new underground power in a street,

(01:20:19):
and I had to give them access to the house
for the electrical inspector to come through and do a
certificate at the end to make sure that the work
done by the contractor was safe and compliant. And so, yeah,
the guy was talking normally. I don't know, it's just
my old language. I would say you kill the power,
right that means you've turned it off, But no, you

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de energize the power. These days, I guess for reasonable reasons.
Talking about killing things is not that nice. But anyway,
that was a new word that I let And the
other day actually on this show, we were talking about
electrical safety and electrical safety certificates and what sort of
documentation is required by people undertaking this work in terms

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of at the end of the work of documents will
you should you receive from the contractor. So the team
that was working in the street and the house that
I had to give them access to, they had my
email and so at the end of the job they
completed the work. On the Tuesday, they had the electrical
safety inspector come and inspect the work done by the

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main contractor, and then from both of those people I
received documentation the next day, one which was sort of
a record of inspection for high risk work i eat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Connecting a new.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Mains to the house, and another one was a certificate
of compliance from the electricians that did the work did
the actual installation of the connection of the new power
to the meet aboard. Both of them sent me documentations,
got their registration number on It describes the type of
work done. One signed off by the electrical inspector and

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one signed off by the electricians that actually did the work.
So that's the sort of basic documentation that you should
get after electrical work is undertaken. This instance, it's high
risk because it involves the mains, but regardless of what
you do, you should get a COOC from your electrician
for any electrical work done on your property. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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If you've got a question of a building nature, you
can give us a call, a quick one on a
text on the showers. We were talking about that with
ray just before the news. So a shower has been refurbished.
During the process, the tiler seemingly, while they were chipping
away at the tiles, ended up breaking the wastewater pipe,

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and so the plumber had to come and install, make
a new connection to the broken wastewater pipe, and then
do the trap install. The waste tiler's finished the job,
water doesn't seem to flow as much as it used to,
and I'm saying, well, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable
to ask them to test that line to make sure
that they also have sealed that junction. So again, if

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you're doing a new build, you're doing renovations, Council, as
part of their inspection for the waste water lines, will
ask the plumbers to install a bun or a plug
into the line and then you fill that line to
make sure that it's holding water. And it's quite a
simple thing. You fill it up to the you can

(01:23:25):
see where the water is, you can mark that on
the pipe, and then if over a period of an
hour or two that drops, well, you know you've got
a leak somewhere. Really simple, so fix it before you
close it in. I'm just wondering whether they haven't done
that on this particular job. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines are open. Oh and a lot of
talk about power tools and safety. So more than happy
to talk tools and tool selection and safety. That there

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is that trepidition at trepidation rather when if it's unfamiliar
to you, but you want to start out down that
sort of I'm going to own some power tool journeys journey,
then how do you start? You know that if you
buy a table saw, you've never used one in your life.
You decide that you've got a project that you want

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to use one for and you're unfamiliar with them, or
perhaps you've never used one at all, and so you
bring it home, you unwrap it, you put it together.
It's got to be just slightly terrifying the first time
you turn it on. So where do you go to learn?
I would suggest you should spend some time with someone
who's competent with them and understand the processes before you

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had to go yourself. Oh Wa eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. Will take a short break, we'll be
back in just a moment. Your news talk said be.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Texts from Michael just very briefly, morning, Pete. I'm an
electrical engineer and love doing work at home. I've made
a foot operated powerboard with COC and AC to run
my table saw another electrical power tool, so that i
always have both hands on the workpiece or the tool
without having to remove a hand to switch the tool off.
Especially the table chairs from Michael. Interesting approach. I'm fascinated

(01:25:07):
by that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I'm just trying to think of all of the time
that I used the table saw. I would I would
finish using you know, I've cut something, or I've done
a rebayto or something like that, and I've finished, I've
removed the timber from the saw, put that aside, and
then I'll reach down and turn the saw off. That's
that's enough.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Like, I don't need to keep my I don't want
to keep my hands by the blade to be fair.
And then have and then think foot control. Look, I
can see the advantage of it, and I've certainly worked
in factories where we've had foot control, for example, for
things like guillotines and that sort of thing. They are
really nifty, interesting, fascinating. Thank you Michael for that. Ernest

(01:25:51):
Good morning to you, sir.

Speaker 12 (01:25:53):
Good morning, sir morning. I'm working on a nineteen sixties
half at the moment from my home, and I'm redoing
the kitchen, and last night I started taking the sort
of lino plastic flooring, which underneath that was a dark
brown board which I know is masonite, and then underneath

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that is the floor in absolutely beautiful conditions. However, the
masonite has been staple down and you can break the
masonright off and you're left with the staples. Most of
the staples, like four four out of five will come out,
and I found using a pair of vice grips and

(01:26:39):
a plank underneath them and sort of pulled them out
that way. But some of them don't come out. I'm
just wondering if there is a neck to it. Like
I tried tapping the staple before putting it out, but
I felt bad about doing that. So some of the
staples bake off, so you've got two pins sticking up

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the any way of coping with it better?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
And part of me is just smiling from year to
ear because I did a job exactly like that, but
just between you and I, I did it when I
was a much younger man, And to be fair, I'd
had a big night out the night before, and my
job the next day was to pull staples out of
the floor. So spending a day on your hands and

(01:27:25):
knees pulling staples out of the floor with just the
most massive hangover was not pleasant, So I understand how
difficult that job is. Look to be fair, if you're
achieving four out of five, you're doing better than I did.
My performance might have been slightly impaired at the time,
but in the end, I think what I found and

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over the years that if you can get them out,
that's great. Tapping them to sort of release the tension
or the grip that they have, because the staples rust
a little bit over time, right, so if you can
loosen that bond by giving them a small tap. The
hard thing is, because they're not particularly strong, you tend
to flatten a head, and in fact, if you hit

(01:28:08):
them too hard, you'll create a crease in the in
the wire and that'll just make it more fragile. So
it's a small tap. If you really wanted to, you
could try soaking the floor to make the timber wet,
but I don't know that it'll have a significant impact.
What I found is that I got most of the
staples out like you have, and then the ones that

(01:28:30):
broke off and that I couldn't get any purchase on anymore,
I would simply drive them down with a nail punch.
And in fact, the ones that I missed once the
sander went over them. It's you're talking about a millimeter, right,
You kind of hardly even notice that if that's your
intention is to stand the floor.

Speaker 12 (01:28:51):
Yeah, yeah, it is my intention. And I wondered about
that that I had visions of it ripping up the
sand paper.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
No, don't worry about that. And the slightest can I
How much of the removal of your ex lino have
you done?

Speaker 12 (01:29:09):
I've done about a square meter or so.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Okay, there, have you done an asbestos test?

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
The what s an asbestos?

Speaker 7 (01:29:25):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:29:25):
No, this is a wood product. Yeah, and I think
it's called Mason Night.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
And look just it would be remissive me if I
didn't raise this right because I'm I'm aware that in
certain types of lino underlays and certain types of those
that may snite board, there may well be asbestos containing
material or ACM. And so before you go and do
lots more work. Certainly, I hope that you're wearing a

(01:29:55):
mask and those sorts of things, but I would suggest
that you take a sample of it, send it off
to an industrial laboratory. And there are lots of them
that are or there are more of them available. Our
testing is not uncommon, and just have for your own
peace of mind, because even if during the removal, you know,

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if you're creating dust that's going to stay in the house,
then you've effectively spread those asbestos fibers throughout the house.
So have it tested before you do too much work
would be my recommendation. What you do is up to you,
but that I feel that I need to tell you
that thank you for that. Yeah, no trouble at all.

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But yeah, and once it's done, I think if you've
got most of them out and the last ones you sand,
and if you don't like the look of them when
you've sanded them, you could punch them and fill that
and that'll be fine.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Yeah, I'm not that fussy about it. And you know
they're like centers about ten so the hundreds.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
I am painfully aware of the work that you are doing.
Someone has text through and said use pencers, but I
actually think that by using the vice script you might
be onto a winner there because the pencers, because they're
designed to cut through material, will often end up there's
a really fine juggling act with a set of pencers

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to get enough pressure to get purchase on the material
so that you can leave it out. But if you
press too hard on the pencer, you'll just cut through
the staples. So I think using.

Speaker 12 (01:31:33):
Idea, yeah, I went to the princers initially, that's exactly
what happened. Is it actually cut off a lot of
the staples anyway, Okay, thank you, I'll try doing the
tap bit.

Speaker 7 (01:31:49):
I think you're.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Thanks all right, much appreciate it. You take care, thank
you very much. All the best, Bob. Then that is
one completely unpleasant job, as if you you know often
so look at this text right there you go again
with your over the top caution, so annoying. Have you

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ever been with someone who's died as a result of
exposure to asbestos? You probably haven't, right, So the risk
of exposure is real. So it's a sensible precaution in
my mind. If you're going to spend hours getting down
close to a material that you're going to break up
and the fibers become friable as an airborne then I

(01:32:37):
think it's a sensible precaution to test for asbestos. And
I don't believe that that's over the top so annoying. Yeah, right,
okay O eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're going to
track down Rudd, which is a bit of a challenge
right now. So Rudd, time to go to the studio
Sunshine I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got
a question for Ridd, you can text through your questions

(01:33:01):
through as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Just on that staple room. There are
staple removal tools like a little wedge that you can
get underneath the harp of the staple or the staples
go up, across and back down, so if you can
get under there, sometimes you can leave them up if
you can get under there. Often with that type of work,

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where the staple is held down the board, there's actually
the remnants of the board trapped underneath the staple, hence
using pliers or pincers to get to the top of
the staple. I am so intimately involved with the removal
of staples that it disturbs me that I know this
much about doing them.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
I eight hundred eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Here we go remove the staples and breads by rocking
back and forth, and then they break off below the surface.
Interesting technique, not bad. People have obviously shared my pain
with doing this particular job. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
We'll take short break. We've got rid coming up in
just a moment, just before we jump into the garden

(01:34:08):
with Red climb Past who's on standby. I mentioned earlier
that during the course of the week several discussions, been
to a few events and that sort of thing, and
ended up having a really good session with a young
engineer Storm who has done a lot of research on
ventilation in particular. So it's my intention sometime in the

(01:34:30):
next couple of weeks to have her join me on
the program to talk about ventilation again. It's one of
those hot button topics at the moment because people are
talking about H one in terms of the energy efficiency
and the insulation requirements, and then people are going, well,
because we're putting too much insulation at the houses, that's
why they're overheating, which is not true, by the way,

(01:34:52):
and we're starting to get understandably, but more focused on
ventilation and air quality and ventilation requirements and so on.
So it was delightful actually to sit with her and
talk for a couple of hours about insulation, insulation, insulation
and ventilation, particularly ventilation and ventilation standards and what systems work,

(01:35:14):
and negative pressure and positive pressure and so on and
so forth. So we'll take a deep dive into ventilation
in the coming weeks. Righty, oh, we have Rid on standby.
Rid's okay, we've got root, we don't have rit, we
don't have rot right now, we might swap over and
do that a slightly different way. If you've got any

(01:35:36):
questions for it, then the lines are open and the
number to call is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
You can text through as well. A couple of people
have already text through about Slimy Nostoc. Don't know anything
about that. That's why Rid's on the show spraying roses
with once they're pruned. We'll talk to Rid about that
as well. Just on the asbestos, which was the last

(01:35:58):
thing that we talked about on the program, let me
just sort this out there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
We go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
On the we're talking about asbestos pete where we see
floor sanders and we check every single floor that we uplift,
and about five percent contain asbestos. While the thing would
be if you want to be in that five percent
and potentially expose yourselves to something that is going to
have in detrimental impact on your health in the future. Right,

(01:36:29):
we're going to get rid sort it out. If you
would like to call and talk with Ridd, the lines
are open. Might take the break now and then we'll
come back, get Rid up and then we're into it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Here at Newstalk SEDB.

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