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May 24, 2025 24 mins

On The Garden Hour with Pete Wolfkamp and Ruud Kleinpaste Full Show Podcast for 25th May 2025, Ruud explains how to handle moths and ants in your garden and property, and when to prune your plants.

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to a thirty helen. Greetings to you, good morning to you. Indeed,
how can I help?

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I've got a thirty three year old house. I've got
a balcony out of my upstairs bedroom which is untiled.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
It's a wooden balcony tiles which and I think you
no underneath yep. Over the last eighty months, I've had
a huge subdivision developments going on less than three meters away.
So sense while there was a couple of cracktailes, I've got,
you know, really bad cracktailes, and the groutings are loose

(02:12):
and everything else. I'm looking at selling shortly. Do I
when do I replace it before I sell?

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Or two?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I have had one quote which is about twenty four stouts.
There's something cheaper you can do it with about maybe
the tiling or do I need to replace the waterproofing?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I guess the first question is does it leak.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Downstairs? There is one week occasionally when the wind blows
that way. But I've had it tested three or four
years ago. And the guys couldn't find a leak by
actually squirting the deck. So I'm not convince the deck
type thing.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So in most instances, because again, if you're going to sell,
that's going to be one of the questions, and certainly
any halfway decent prepurchase inspection person who comes to look
at it will go okay. So what we see here
is timber substrate butte nole application direct fixed tiles. Now,

(03:22):
even if the job was done really, really well, there's
a couple of things. One is you're not allowed to
build like that anymore for a number of good reasons.
The other one is that it's possibly reaching the end
of its life and serviceability is difficult because if there's
a problem with the waterproofing, you can't get to it
because the tiles are stuck down to it. Certainly removing
the tiles is going to damage the waterproofing, in which

(03:44):
case you need to replace or repair the waterproofing membrane.
And then you can't direct fixed tiles down to waterproofing
membrane anymore. So you could do like a timber deck,
or you could use jacks with tiles.

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, so that legally.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
That you can't now direct.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, it's certainly not compliant with the building code anymore
to direct fix it, and to be fair, I'd be
disappointed if a contractor came along and did what was
there already, even if they said, look, it's maintenance, I'm
doing like for like. The reality is we know that
these things cause a problem, and so you don't want
to leave that problem with somebody else. In fact, if

(04:31):
they were to do it and you sold the house
and there was a problem with it, they would be
I think liable for the repairs. So I mean there
are some systems whereby you could, for example, have the
tiles removed. There will likely be some damage to the
butteanyl if the buttanyle generally is in reasonable condition, as

(04:54):
in it's still well adhered to the substrate, you could
do a coating over the top of that and then
place what they could like booz on jacks or they're
like a plus stick jack that you can put down
on top. And then you can get some of them
which allow you to put tiles directly on them, so
thicker tiles like a nineteen mill tile and have effectively

(05:16):
a floating deck or floating surface over the top of
the waterproofing and the advantage of that is that if
there was ever a problem with the waterproofing, you can
lift those out and get access to the waterproofing for repair.
So that would be a much more cost effective solution,
you know, But there's you've got to be realistic around

(05:39):
the limitations of how waterproof that might be if you
had extensive waterproofing issues, and you know, in all fairness
to the contractors, typically if you were doing that work
and you wanted to do a sort of absolute belt
embracest approach, you might be taking the joinery out, you'd
be taking the lower parts of the cladding off, you'd
be stripping off the waterproofing completely. You might find for

(06:03):
that vintage that the plywood that's underneath it, it will be untreated.
In some cases, I've seen that plywould fix down with clouds.
The clouds work their way out of the joist and
then the head pops up above the plywood and is visible,
and that can be I've seen it cut through the waterproofing.

(06:24):
So then you say, okay, well then my plywood's no good,
so I'm going to rip up all the ply would
replace that, maybe increase the fall threshold, might not be
one hundred and fifty millimeters, which it's required by the code.
Now you can see how these things get complicated.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, sorry, But in terms.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Of a straightforward repair, it would be remove the tiles,
apply waterproofing coating that is compatible with the bututanyl and
there are some of those. There's one product called Injurist
that I've used recently, not for that application, but a
similar type thing. Then you know the jacks and the
tiles that'll give you or finish that's maintainable, attractive to

(07:10):
look at, and you know it's a reasonable solution.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Is there any other sort of like I was sort
of looking like a place called Superior Waterproofing of something.
Is there any other sizes putting tiles down? Any other option?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, essentially you either tend to go tiles or timber, right,
so you might make up a raft like a timber
raft that sits on these jacks, on these pedestals. The
whole thing is whatever we put over waterproofing in that
situation where it's protecting a habitable space below has to
be serviceable. So whatever decking system, whether it's tiles or timber,

(07:52):
that you put down, has to be designed in such
a way as it can be demountable, can be lifted up,
and you can get access to the waterproofing for maintenance.
So yes, you can do timber or you can do tiles.
All right, a couple of options. Therefore you okay, thank
you very much, good luck all the us take care

(08:14):
of them.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
All of this.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Quick text before we get rid. Actually this is a
really interesting one. Morning. I've sold part of my land
so the neighbors can create a driveway for better access
to their property. We had someone come over quote the work,
accepted it and it got underway. Halfway through, they realized
that a retaining war was needed and wanted to charge
us an extra thirty grand to complete this. Where do
myself and the contractors stand. The contractor has taken some ownership,

(08:41):
but the quote has changed significantly since then. It's a
really challenging one because you know, like a reasonably well
informed contractor will know what the heights will be, and
you know, it's not like a retaining wall magically suddenly
becomes necessary. So you know, was there a problem with

(09:06):
the scope of works? You know, when asking the contractor
to price for work, did the floor levels or the
finished ground levels not be clearly identified, or did he
just simply or they not take responsibility, take due care
to ensure that if they were going to excavate down
half a meter, for example, then you're going to need

(09:27):
a retaining war. But of course if it's not in
their quote, if they didn't quote for a retaining war,
then it becomes a kind of ethical thing as to
should they have informed you that a retaining war was
likely so that you could price it into the job.
Be interesting to know how you get on with that one, Rightio,
let's jump into the garden. Red climb past is on

(09:48):
standby back with rut In just a moment, just a
lot bit excited every week every week, How are you?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I'm good, mate, I'm good. Do little things. First of all,
last week we released ten kiwi in Yes, did you
hear about it? Hey?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Are they tracked? Are you monitoring them?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah? Gosh yeah, well say yeah, they got transmitters up there.
But brilliant, make no mistake. We know where they are
and it's really cool to see the little dots of
where they are, you know, when they're settling in. So
that's number one. I thought that was brilliant, And number
two is This is something for people that have been,
you know, teachers that have been to the Blake Inspired

(10:34):
thing that we do every year three times with the
Supeter Blake Trust, if you like, we have in christ
Church a reunion of the Blaky's if you like, on
the twenty ninth of May. That's only a couple of
days ago, a couple of days away. It's on Thursday
at the Craft Embassy from five thirty to seven thirty.
Abby Sider will organize that. Everybody will know her email address.

(10:58):
If you've been at Blake and everybody is welcome, I'm
going as well. It'll be good to talk to me,
to talk to the teachers, to see what I've done
over the last few years after doing the Blake Inspired thing.
It's so cool.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Fabulous, Yeah, fabulous radio. Let's get into what it's gonna
get busy. Nick greetings, morning morning.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
How do you guys name?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
We're going well? Nick?

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Hey, So I emailed through a photo of some trees.
I just purchased a property and I think to judge
the property up, they put a little bit of that
some black bark down and when I looked at the
photo from looked at the property, initially the trees looks fine,
and then two weeks later, as you can see in
those photos, they're all starting to die. And I'm just

(11:44):
wondering if that's anything to do with the bark, or
if they get a disease, or what the story might be,
if you might be.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
It has nothing to do with the bark. It has
nothing to do with the white soccer ball that's in there.
It has everything to do.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
The way.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, whatever, So it's football, is it football?

Speaker 7 (12:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Okay, yeah, I get it. I tell you what. It
has something to do with something you did not see,
and even I can pick it up on your picture.
There are lots of little case moths in those trees.
The trees, by the way, tuya or kamasiprus, which are
if you like, you know anyway they like pine trees,

(12:28):
if you like, they belong to that group. But the
case moths you didn't see are the ones that are
covered in silk. Inside that silk and sometimes they're up
to three or four inches long. Up inside these case
moths live a caterpillar that actually eats your tree.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Oh okay, what do I do to re rectify that one?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Have a good look. Well, I'm talking about if I
can see them on the photograph, you can see them live.
Get them off, pull them off the tree gently, okay.
Put them in a container if you like, and you
can then release them in anybody's garden, especially of people
that you don't like in the neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Okay, is there any is there is there any ideas
any other nutrients put on the sort of help them.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't think you need any nutrients. I think this
is these case mods do that, and they are always
in numbers of not just dozens, but sometimes hundreds of
them per tree. And so this is going to be
a good little hunt for you or the kids or
whatever to find those things and take them off the
tree and literally put them somewhere else you can. It

(13:42):
doesn't matter where you put them. But they do like
a whole lot of different trees to eat, including these
particular three and Koma Cyprus type things.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Okay, look, this is the twentieth three is it's justly
quick a couple of days job?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Oh no, it's you can do Look, you can do
that in ten minutes, quarter of an hour. Once you
got your eye in you can see those little case moths.
You know the story about those case moths. Is absolutely
amazing because these guys and girls that live in there,
those caterpillars in those little cases, they make their cases
from silk that they have in their mouth, if you

(14:21):
like a thing where a silk comes out. They also
use bit of those trees as camouflage, so they look
literally like little branchlets, if you like. And finally, when
they have completely done their whole development inside that case.
By the way, that case is so strong that I

(14:41):
bet you you cannot tear it with your nails or
your fingers. It's that strong. It's amazing stuff. And you
can work with the kids with that to see if
they can do it, but you can't. Anyway, When these
caterpillars hatch into chrysalises, and after that the chrysalises come out. Basically,
if there are a male, they come out, they can fly.

(15:04):
If it's a female, they stay inside the cases. They
stick their little bottoms out of the cases to get fertilized,
if you like, by flying males. And that is the
life cycle. It is a native of New Zealand. It
is an incredibly amazing, amazing species, beautiful thing. But too many,
it's not good.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
It'll be the case marsters versus neck marks versus.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Neck Yeah, it will be and I reckon you can
do it. But you can also put them in other
people's gardens or in the you know, outside whatever wherever
you are in a national park. What you call it
in a park, you know, it doesn't matter. Wow, you'll
be fine.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Thanks your Sunday sorted. Yeah, thanks very much for calling Kevin.
Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
What what can we do with you.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
We've got a mandarin trade that we've had for about
forty years and every year, yeah, this goes well. Every year,
it fruits really well. Last year it excelled itself. We
were given away bucket loads of mandarin, so everyone around
and well it's sort of the early year. It must

(16:20):
have piled itself out because it losts every leaf and
we thought we'd lost the tree, and we've watched it
and slowly the leaves had to come back and now
it's covered in leaves beautifully, just like normal. There's not
one mandarin on it.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So something has totally stuffed everything in that tree, or
stopped it, if you like, for a year. So you
had a really good year. That sometimes happens when things
are in strife, because they then make as many babies
if you like, for next year as possible, because there's
something wrong, and it could be cold temperature, it could

(17:01):
be inconsistent watering. It could be too wet, too dry.
It could be lack of sunlight, which is unusual because
you'd have that tree for all this time in the
same spot and it worked fine. It might have been
a lack of pollinators, but I don't think it would
be like that. I think it had something to do
with the climatological condition. Too much wind, too much temperature,

(17:24):
to low temperature, that sort of stuff. Not enough water.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Okay, it's right to sign an orange tree and that
one there's performing normally.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Maly, Okay. You you fertilize both of those quite regularly,
like one.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Spring three times a year. We give it about three
kgs of fertilizer January during November.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And what is that fertilizer if I may ask.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Oh, we usually by ten a citrus fertilizer.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Okay, excellent, that's all you need now. It doesn't matter.
But if you say citrus fertilizer, you'll be fine because
you got the right NPK ratio. You should be Okay.
I reckon there was something this year or the year
before that literally upset everything. And it could be something
and to do with the environmental factors like wind, cold,

(18:17):
temperatures or whatever that sort of stuff.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Okay, but next year I speak to broad again.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
If I were a betting man, I'd bet on your
tree doing well.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, that's good, awesome, good luck to you, take care,
go well mate, all the very best, and Alistair hello.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Mor Later there were going, what can we do with you, Elisair?
Pruning of fijos. Obviously We've finished the fruiting there, and
I've got a few plants here that are probably about
two meters high. The boss wants them pruned. How hard
can I prune the fijos.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
As hard as you like?

Speaker 6 (18:59):
She's telling me that the birds should be able to
fly through them. I'm like, oh, how big of the
bloody birds. But okay, I can go hard check it.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Chicken sauce, chickens.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
I got chickens, and I don't like to see Alistair.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
This is this, This is what we did when Billboard
and I were working at Maggie's gun Show. We did
the same thing. You get, indeed, a frozen chuck out
of the freezer. You hurl it at the trees and
whatever branched heads you cut it out.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Right. That's an interesting technology, but you.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Know it is they always say a bird should be
able to fly through it. So what does that look like?
What I just gave you the picture. But but the
point now is that you can literally after fruiting, when
you've got all the fruits have fallen off and you've
harvested and blah blahlah blah, you can literally get a
hedge tremor and cut them into a head shape if

(19:51):
you like them small or narrow or not so not
so high, you know what I mean. So they are
very Yeah, they are very easy to prone. Yeah, no problems.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
More looking for the actual ease of harvest as well,
because there obviously a bag of the the fruit under
the bush and it's quite a little on your hands
and knees picking them out.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I know exactly what you mean. And still that is
the best way to do it, to be quite honest,
because they do you have to wait for them to
drop the fruit and then you know you've got ripe stuff.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
It's okay, So go hard with the printing.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, well you can again if you want it smaller
and narrow, well, yeah, go for it.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
Yeah, okay, I might try that with two or three.
That's perfect. No, that's good, Thanks so much for that.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Rud, go for it. You can do it.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Typically it's the sort of thing that I leave to Jay,
my mate who helps me in the garden. But I
have done it myself and you can't well I shouldn't
say you can't kill them, but it's amazing how much
you can take off and they'll just regenerate.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Absolutely and they will refurbish, no problem at all. You're
absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, probably the fairer way of putting it is I
haven't managed to kill them yet, and I've killed a
number of things in the garden, so if I haven't
done that to the fijos, you're doing okay, right, Pie
Creasings to you, Pie, Hello Greasings.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
He got it.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
I've got an issue with my liquid embers. There seems
to be some type of raised bark kind of happening
on them, and I'm up in Northold so it's quite warm,
and perhaps brayed them with copper, but it doesn't seem
to have made a.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Difference in the systems. But you've got fung fungy growing.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
There not I'm not sure if it's fungal, but it's
it's like the bark has become crinkly, you know what
I mean, on the liquid ember and it seems to
be happening with them all, but not on the new growth.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
So ah, could could that be liken you're talking about?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
No, it's not liking.

Speaker 7 (21:50):
It's okay, I do, I do.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
It's it just seems to be some type of growth.
It's happening on it, and when you try and take
it off, it takes the bark away with it.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh m oh, what's the color of that stuff?

Speaker 8 (22:09):
It's coming out like a gray gray type of color. Yeah,
it looks kind of looks like a back, but it's
it's not. Yeah, because some of the trees are dying
as well, and there's it seems to be spreading as
well throughout the other trees. I'm trying to make a
driveway with a you know, with the lookuid mbers and.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, I I don't know what that is. I can't
say that I've seen that, to be quite honest. I
got a liquid amber, which at the moment is losing
its leaves, of course because and beautiful colors, but I've
never seen that sort of nonsense.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
We did have a look on that on Google and stuff,
and it talked about something about sweet sweet gum or
something that they call that, which I think might be
a secretion, but I'm not too sure. And then the
other one that they think that was maybe a canker
of some sort.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, those are nasty things. Those are usually quite hard
to control, to be quite honest. But try you you
were talking about a fungicide before, did you a possible
finger side use?

Speaker 8 (23:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I would try that, yeah, yeah, and if that doesn't
work very well, get a what they call a fungus
side that is taken up by the plants, so that yeah,
that it goes inside the plant. You know what I mean? Yes,
I do, yes, by this is this is unusual. I've

(23:39):
not seen this actually, to be quite honest.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
My yeah, no crazyh Yeah.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
Well I could send you some photos of it's.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
All right, don't worry. I can picture what what's happening.
But I don't. I don't. I don't think i've seen
this before.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Yeah, Okay, I kind of thought, you know, because we're
we're still eighting degrees up here in northmand I just
thought it might be better there it's all very wit
and warm, so it's probably really a good good place
for their kind and carry on, but I'll try that
all the very.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Have a great day. Take care. We're taking short break
with Bick with Susan After the break.

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