Full Show Podcast: 03 August 2025

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for 3rd August 2025, Pete talks about protecting your tools from rust, explains how to handle a , and what property files, and codes are required for renovations.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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projects done right. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp Call
eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth Talk Sibby.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
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grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when the
dog is too old to bar, and when you're sitting
at the table trying not to starve, sisor home, even

(00:51):
when we.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Are ben.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:10):
When there's goals given.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
When you go around from the ones you love, your
moves screamed us. Broken pans appear in front of locals
vestal when they're going.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
And leaving the.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
House, even when wilban, even when you're in there alone.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Yeah, well, a very good and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
You're with me Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and
this is an opportunity to talk all things building and construction.
We're talking about maintenance, we're talking about repairs. We're talking
about new builds. We're talking about what else got anything roofs, walls, windows, floors, foundation,
storm water. We can do elect we can do some

(02:09):
of the what we call subtrades. How people feel about
being called subtradees because typically it's the carpenter as the
main trade and then subtradees from there. But hey, look
there's no hierarchy on a building site anyway. We can
talk about you know, plumbing issues, electrical issues, we can
talk about planning, we can talk about legislation, we can
talk about new products. And talking about new products, it

(02:32):
seems like there might be a lot more new products
available to New Zealanders for building and constructing your place,
given the recent legislation. So I'll try and summarize that
as best I can a little bit later on. But
it's been very clearly signaled by the incoming government or
new government. Can we say that the government's been around

(02:53):
for eighteen months is still a new government. The current government,
who was not the same as the previous one, have
signaled a while ago that they wanted to see the
importation of building materials building products that meet our requirements
be a little bit more straightforward. It's probably a nicer

(03:14):
way of summarizing that, but that's what it comes down to.
To have a conversation during the week with a building
survey who's been involved in this sort of work in
terms of proving compliance for a long time, so part
of this is not new, but possibly it will make
it just slightly easier for people to source products overseas
that are compliant with our regulations in terms of you know,

(03:38):
the testing and the durability, et cetera, et cetera, and
then be able to say, hey, look right, I prove
that it's going to work. Here's the testing here, and
we know what the standards are, and then go right,
let's bring that in. It'll be very interesting to see
what sort of you know, the whole thing about this
has been it'll make ours is cheaper? Will it make

(03:59):
ours is cheaper?

Speaker 7 (04:01):
Don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
We'll wait and see, shall we. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. We are taking your calls right through till
eight point thirty this morning. I have no guests organized,
I've got no experts that we need to talk to.
So you guys are the experts today. You're the people
that I want to talk to. So the lines are open.
The number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

(04:24):
Hope if you have been doing a project, I hope
that it's gone well. I've had a couple that have
been one that's right at the end of sort of
a bit of a wrap up, which is awesome. I
posted some photographs of some balustrades that I've been working on.
I should put a bit more detail in there about
the process of getting you know, the end picture is

(04:45):
always lovely, I think in terms of you know, what
was kind of decayed and deteriorating has now been reinstated
and hopefully in a much more durable fashion than it
was when I first did that job twenty odd years ago.
And then a couple of little projects in between, including
stripping out my old wood vice that's been bolted to

(05:09):
my bench for probably since I made it, which has
got to be like thirty odd years ago, and just
a little bit one of those little jobs that you
do in between other jobs, like I've finished something, I've
got to wait for paint dry or whatever. What can
I do meaningfully for the next thirty minutes or forty minutes.

(05:29):
So this involved pulling off an old English mate made
in England. It says on the on the front, old woodvice.
Pull it off, clean off years of gunk and glue
and muck and dust that's got stuck in the grease
of the of the thread and so on. Strip it back,
clean it up. Now I got to put it back on,

(05:50):
and I was thinking about not using it anymore, but
it looks so good I think I'll carry on using it.
The beauty of old tools again. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Let's get amongst it. It's all your show today,
so let's get stuck and Colin a very good morning
to you. Good morning, Peter, Good morning Colin.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Peter nineteen sixties house pine X ceiling.

Speaker 9 (06:14):
In the hallway.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Oh yep, yep.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
Earlier at some stage I put a commercial gas heater
in the hallway and a burst of paint.

Speaker 10 (06:22):
With the heat.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Right, how do you feel about going over the top
of the pine CKX for that removing it with job?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Given that it's a hallway, I think it's probably okay
to do it. I mean, look, you can do it regardless.
The challenge sometimes is that obviously the pine ex board
when those are installed, they're often I can remember doing
it years ago. But anyway, it's like a tuber one
batten and you just whack those onto the underside of
the trusses or the ceiling joists and then put the

(06:54):
pine softboard on. And it kind of didn't matter if
it was super flat, right, because you know, you can't
really tell. So I would start by getting a straightage
and just putting that up and seeing how flat the
ceiling is. And then if you can identify where all
of the timber fixings are that the pinex is stuck to,

(07:15):
you need to take the gooshas down. I would imagine,
so pull if there's a scosha that runs around, pull
that off. I'd go for some thirteen mil jib board
or thirteen mil plasterboard of whatever description, and then long
slightly longer screws so that your screw goes through the
plaster board, through the pineycks and gets you know, at

(07:36):
least twenty or thirty milimeters embedment into the timber beyond,
and then it's stopping it and so on. So yeah,
it's doable as long as you check that the ceiling
is reasonably flat, because and if it's not, you might
have to do some packers, you know, cut some shims
or something like that. I can certainly understand why you
wouldn't want to pull the pineycks down because it's got, however,

(08:00):
many years of dust and stuff on top of it.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah, yep, can you get those those special screws for
good at the end that length?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Oh, you can get jib screws up to like fifty
odd miles or sixty mils if you really need it,
because you remember, you know, if you're doing like Fireline,
for example, you know you might be fixing through two
layers of sixteen mels. So yes, you can get longer screws.
No problem at all, No trouble at all, Good luck,
take care, all the best bother there you and news

(08:30):
talks he'd be. If you have a question, I'm pretty
sure I can get an answer for you. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number. Start with the
really simple text too, Hey can you tell me the
name of the building? Of the name of the building?
Show introduction song brings a tear to my eye every
time I hear it, Thank you very much. It is
such a divisive song in many ways. But look, I

(08:55):
have been a huge fan of Ben Harper for a
long long time. So that song is houses a home
Ben Harper with his mum. Actually that's not a nice
part of that particular song, So he sings that with
his mum. So Ben Harper House is a home. I'm
not sure what album it came off. It's a couple
of years ago. Now. Oh eight hundred eighty is the
number to call, Hello Margaret, Oh.

Speaker 11 (09:17):
Good morning. Have a problem with the flooring in my toilet.
A bubble has risen under the vinyl and I have
had a plumber, a builder and a maintenance man come
to look at it, and they are don't know what

(09:37):
the problem is. It's not coming from the pedestal of
the toilet. In front of the pedestal is a join
with a vinyl, and it seems to be wet where
the joiner is, and it's there is a big bubble

(09:58):
coming and everybody doesn't seem to know the answer to
the problem.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
So it sounds like the there's actually two problems there.
One is you've got water on the floor, which ideally
you shouldn't have. And does it feel like or does
it seem like that water is from a leak that
no one can determine where the leak's coming from.

Speaker 11 (10:19):
That's right, it feels quite spongy.

Speaker 12 (10:24):
Right.

Speaker 11 (10:25):
The plumber has told me that it's definitely not coming
from the pedestal, and we've had a test to put
toilet paper around the pedestal to see it wet. And
I had a guy another guy yesterday, and he has
looked almost everywhere he could look. He looked, our toilet

(10:50):
is next door to our laundry, yes, and he looked
to see whether there was a leak coming through there
or through the hot water water cylinder. And he's quite perplexed.
He just doesn't seem to know where it's coming from.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Sure, is the leak always there? Like is the floor
always damp in that area?

Speaker 13 (11:14):
No.

Speaker 11 (11:17):
When the plumber came, he said, oh, well the floor.
The floor's not wet. The floor's not wet. And he said,
I don't know what it is. And then the other
day I went in there without my shoes on, and
I thought, that floor is wet, especially where it's coming
where the vinyl has joined in front of the pedestal.

(11:40):
If you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, I guess what the others are doing is how
I would approach it, too, which is to go, you know,
if there's moisture that's got between is it a timber
floor or concrete floor?

Speaker 11 (11:58):
He said it was a groove flooring.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Well, okay, so it's vinyl over the top of tongue
and grew right, yes, and so you can go underneath
the house and look.

Speaker 13 (12:09):
Up as he went.

Speaker 11 (12:11):
The guy I had yesterday, he come under there and
had a look, and he was it was more baffle
than ever.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, So I couldn't couldn't find where the water is
coming from. Now does the water appear only when you
flush the toilet or is it there all the time?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (12:29):
Well, I don't know. Well, the guy I had yesterday
he rushed it three times, he said, just to see,
and he couldn't see it was coming from there. The
only person I haven't had that look at it as
a floring guy.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
And when when you first told me sort of who
turned up. It's like, you know, three men, welcome to
a bar. There's a plumber or a carpenter and a
you know, what you really need is a flooring guy,
so a lino layer, but only if you figured out
where the water is coming from. And ideally the best

(13:08):
person to figure that out would be a plumber. If
the plumber is a little bit unsure as to where
the water is coming from, then that's a bit of
a problem because the water is probably what's caused the delamination,
and so that's what the when you first ask the question,
I was thinking, well, I've seen guys take like a
little syringe and basically suck the air out of the

(13:33):
bubble and the jet injects and glue into there. Use
the big heavy duty rollers that they have roll down
the lino and basically it's problem solved. But that's if
there's no other issue apart from the delamination of the adhesive.
But if you've got moisture which is causing that, you
have to solve the moisture issue first, in which case

(13:56):
it comes down to a plumber.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
If you.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
And so the moisture is there all the time.

Speaker 11 (14:04):
Yes, the bubble is good, bigger Yeah. One guy told
me that I'm when I washed the toilet floor, I'm
putting too much water on. But I can't see you have.

Speaker 14 (14:18):
I mean, look, big bubble.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
The beauty of lino is that you can you know,
I mean, think about all of the school toilets and
all the rest of it that have all had lino,
and factories and hospitals and all the rest of it.
There's a reason people use it, and it's because it's
incredibly durable, so putting a bit of water on there is,
and then that would also say that the problem wouldn't
be there if you stop washing the floor, and then

(14:41):
that's not the case. Look, without being I think it's
going to have to be a bit of a process
of elimination to try and figure out where that water
is coming from. What would be interesting is if you
went out like so, the water is there all the time,
get up in the morning, there's water on the floor.

Speaker 11 (15:01):
No, no, it's actually not on the floor, right puddle.

Speaker 9 (15:06):
Yes, it's a.

Speaker 11 (15:08):
Little under but I know, as I say the other
day and still without my shoes on, it was weird,
but it's not.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
I tell you what I wonder whether the next thing
to do, and it's it's one of those things you
might have to do it and it might not be
the problem, but without it you won't be able to
figure this out. What often happens is, let's say, is
the lino laid and then the toilet pedestal sits on
top of it. Yes, okay, Then inevitably around where the

(15:40):
waste pipe goes out of the pedestal there will be
a hole in the lino. So it's possible that there
is a leak out of the pedestal, which means that
is collecting underneath the plain and then tracking along. Only
way to see that is to take the toilet out.

Speaker 11 (15:57):
Yeah. Well, the guy that came out yesterday, he checked
on what you've just said about the at the back
of the ill look to see whether there was a
CRP there. Yeah, but he he couldn't find anything.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I mean, it depends on whether it's a through wall
kit or it's you know, does the waste go into
the floor. Does the waste go into the wall the
floor into the floor and you can see that, you know,
like some of them are back to wall now where
you can't see where those fittings are. What I'm thinking
is that it will involve more cost, but to have

(16:37):
the plumber come back, take the system off, take the
pedestal out, and see whether there is moisture around that
penetration through the floor and that potentially there's been a
leak there and that water then is trapped underneath the
actual pedestal tracking along through the junction between the timber

(16:58):
and that might be the source of the leak, and
that would be really hard to see without taking the
pedestal out, so that that's kind of where I'm thinking
you might get to and interesting. Paul Texter has just
text through and said take the pan out and investigate
where the stump goes through the floor. Someone else has
suggested using a thermal camera, so you might be able

(17:21):
to detect changes in temperature that would indicate the presence
of moisture, whether or not it's specific enough, I think Margaret,
it's a case of taking the toilet out and having
a look and seeing whether there's a leak underneath the pedestal. Okay,
good luck with that. Hey, look, you know people are

(17:42):
you know, often reluctant to do more work than required,
you know, because there's a bit of work involved in
taking a toilet out, and in fact I've got to
do that this week. But that would be one next step. Okay, okay,
take care show. Bye, We're going to take a short break.
It is twenty four minutes after six. It is all

(18:03):
you guys this week on the show, so plenty of
time to talk. But now is a good time to
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Measter twice God was, But maybe call Pete first. Peter Walfcamp,
the resident builder. News Talk said, b.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Your news talk said, be people wolf Camp. It's me
and we are talking all things building and construction. The
lines are open obviously on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Text is up and running two. That's nine two nine
two And if you'd like to email me, it's Pete
atnewstalksb dot co dot n z. Quick text Pete. On
our way to walk onto airport, discussing with my husband
if we should tackle a full bathroom renot on our

(18:41):
own with a plumber of course, or just get a
company and to manage it all. We've done some small
renaults before, but never a bathroom too negally or achievable. Look,
everything's achievable. I think it depends a little bit on
your appetite for risk, your connections. The thing that's challenging
with bathrooms is that it's probably the most subtrade intensive

(19:05):
part of any project. Right, So there'll be a plumber involved,
there'll be an electrician involved. Inevitably, there'll be a builder involved.
Then there'll probably be a waterproofer involved. If you're going
to do tiling, then there'll be a tiler involved. Then
there'll be stoppers involved. Then there will be painters involved,
then the electricians will be back, the plumbers will be back,

(19:25):
possibly the carpenter will be back, those sorts of things.
So if you've got contacts for all of those people,
or you have let's say a main contractor, and this
is typically how it works. You'll talk to your builder
about doing a bathroom renovation. They'll go, look John, the
plumbers there, Pete, the sparky's there, etc. Etc. In the
way you go. But certainly there are more firms now

(19:47):
that are specializing in going, look you just ring us
where one point of contact. We have all of these
trades working together all of the time, and I think
that's a huge advantage. And then you're just dealing with
us rather than potentially six or seven different trades who
might be involved doing a bathroom. So it really depends

(20:08):
on your own experience and how much time and commitment
you want to put into this. It's still able. Most
people do it well. Many people do it that way,
but you can also see the attractive proposition of just
ringing one person and saying, sort my bathroom out. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call an
a good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Good morning Peter, I just wondering if you could give
us a bit of advice. Yesterday we had an aerial
top dressing plane drops of fertilizer on our roof. Could
you tell us the best proceeding of what to do
or does it not really matter.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I would imagine there'd be a phone call to the
fertilizer company, wasn't there, or you know, to the people
doing the work. I I can imagine that there would
be elements within the fertilizer that would be quite caustic
to your roof. What type of roofing? Is it?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Color steel?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Okay, so it's long run color steel of whatever variety.
I think it would actually be worth getting in touch
with the aircraft company and or the person who ordered
the fertilizer. Then maybe even ring the company that provided
the fertilizer and talk to one of their technical people.
What I'm thinking is it might be a wash, or

(21:24):
it might be a slightly more involved process to remove it.
So if they say, hey, look, actually it's reasoningly in
it and all you need to do is give it
a really thorough wash, and hey, by the way, we're
happy to pay for that very sorry, that would be ideal,
or it might be actually it requires the application of
a certain chemical to neutralize it. Possibly, then you need

(21:45):
to know exactly which one it is that you want
to use. So I think finding out exactly what landed
on your roof is possibly quite important.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah, okay, thank you.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
But either way, I think it would require a thorough
wash more than just standing there with a hose from
the ground and you know, and then I presume you're
in the country. Obviously, is your rainwater harvesting from your
rooftop as well disconnected all of that? Okay, all right?

(22:20):
Is there any rain expected in the next few days? No, unfortunately, right, Okay, Yeah,
I would actually want to know exactly what it was
and whether or not there's an approved treatment or process
for removing it, rather than just going, look, I'm just
going to wash it and that'll be okay, because you
might need to do more, and you may need to

(22:41):
do it reasonably quickly, okay, And it might be a
job for someone who's prepared to get up there and
you know, maybe with a pressure washer or something like that,
actually methodically work their way across the roof actually cleaning
it off. Yes, yeah, okay, so much, no trouble at all.
Good luck with that. I'm sure that's slightly frustrating. All right,

(23:06):
all the best by then. Not I don't think I've
ever had a call like that before, to be fair,
but you can imagine, I mean that that would potentially
be fertilizer contains lime, so it's corrosive. Well, it's most
likely to contain lime, isn't it, And that would be corrosive,

(23:27):
So you'd want to get it off. And the question
is will just, you know, thoroughly rinsing it with water
be enough or do you need to apply something else,
a chemical treatment, in order to remove all of the
residue because there will be some sort of corrosive element
to it. I think, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number.

Speaker 15 (23:46):
To call.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Tricky one. Texts that's come through dog Urine has soaked
through the carpet and the underlay and stained the particle
board chipboard off the floor underneath the carpet and underlay
have been removed, and disinfectant has been sprayed on the stain.
How can you tell if the chipboard is being damaged
by the liquid? Are there obvious sign? Is there a
product that can seal the stain? In if there is

(24:10):
no damage, or would the floor particle board panel have
to be removed the entire panel, which I think runs
across the width of the room, or can part of
the panel from joist to joyst be removed. Okay, let's
go through it. If there's if it's been saturated to
the point where there's damage, you'll see that because the
particle board will feel and appear rough, right, So people

(24:34):
will often talk about particle board when it's decayed, looking
a bit like wheat picks.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
So it will swell and you'll notice the swelling, and
a certain amount of swelling is kind of acceptable. But
if it feels like it's soft and it's moving, then
I think you would want to pull that piece out.
You don't need to take the entire sheet out. You
just cut around the affected area, typically halfway on the

(25:01):
joist or next to the joist, and fix some timber there,
fix some to where the join might be, so you're
not going to cut between nogs. Let's say you're from
boundary to boundary, and then replace that and then redo
the carpet. But when you pull the carpet up, I
think you'll soon tell whether or not it's been damaged

(25:22):
to the point that it needs to be replaced, and
if it does need to be replaced, you just cut
it out and replace it. There you go. Sounds easy,
but it's a little bit in it. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Roger. We
have an update on the range hood.

Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yes, Roger, I had a job ringing with him, so
I found the email. Yes, email, the process of the
story too. Then it took me a week, so I'm
waiting for it high So next week by the time
I'll let you.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh, that would be great. So yeah, I'll let people
know what the story has been. But I do appreciate.
I always wonder sometimes with these sorts of calls where
we end up. So Roger, thanks very much. This was
an instance where I feel that Roger's been not particularly
well served by the electrician that came. So the request was,

(26:15):
I want to put a range shoot in. They have
installed an extractor fan in the ceiling above the cook top,
which I don't think will do and it won't do
the same thing, it won't be anywhere near as effective.
And then they've been reluctant to sort of engage with him.
So if and this is the benefit I think of
professional bodies, you know, membership of in this case, the

(26:37):
master electricians, hopefully certified builders, master builders, you know, all
of these professional bodies. IF Roofing Association, that's been a classic.
If someone has taken the time to join one of
those organizations, pays their fees, they agree to abide by
the rules and the standards set down and then when

(26:57):
there's a problem, you can go to the body, the
professional body, and ask them to intervene. And that's what
I suggested that should do. So hopefully we'll get some
outcome there. But I don't think he was particularly well
served by that particular electrician not casting aspersions on all electricians.
I even got told off by mine the other day,

(27:18):
but that's a whole other story. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty the number to call A couple more texts
About the lie of the fertilizer that ended up being
deposited on Anna's roof, I take it by an aeroplane
flying over. Manufactured phosphate fertilizer is extremely acidic, so you'd
want to neutralize that and remove it because that's potentially

(27:41):
corrosive to color steel. The other thing is you could
find out challenging. Color steel is actually a specific brand.
So there are other people doing things that look like
color steel, but we can't call them color steel. They
are pre coated steel roofing products. But it's a little

(28:01):
bit like when people say I'm going to jib the walls. Well,
if you use a different product, elephant board, borrel, whatever
you want to use, then it's plasterboard fixing, not jib fixing.
Jib fixings only if you happen to install jib as
made by windstones. Wallboards and color steel is the same.
So when someone rings up and goes, oh, I've got
a color steel roof, I go, are you sure? Because

(28:22):
there are other products out there that are colored and
are steel and are roofing, but doesn't necessarily make it
color steel. So either way, I think you get where
I'm coming from. I think they need a thorough, thorough
wash off the roof after the old they use. There
are New Zealand built plane, aren't they. The crop dusting

(28:43):
ones drop some fertilizer on the roof. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. We'll take your course, Roger again, Thank
you very much for that info. I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is six thirty eight here at NEWSTALKSZB viewing of.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
The house storting the garden asks Pete for a hand
the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call eight hundred eighty
ten eighty USTALGSB.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I was just thinking about this little project. It's been
quite productive, I have to say, And to be fair,
I'm not terribly good at making use of small bits
of time, right, so it takes me a little while
to get momentum up for a project, and then when
I'm doing it, I like to stay focused on it,
and if I end up with a gap in between,

(29:29):
not always that great. Whether that's paperwork anywhay, that by
the bye. But I've been spending a bit of time
in the workshop over the last couple of weeks, and
so while I'm waiting for something to set or dry
or or cure or whatever, I will grab another little
project and do something. Hence my taking off the wood vice,
an old fashioned vice that's been on my workbench for

(29:52):
I really don't know how long. I know I've built
it sometime in the early nineteen nineties, so probably it's
been there since then. It's certainly been on the bench
for as long as we've lived where we are, which
is getting onto thirty years, so you know it needed
some work. Anyway, pulled that off, started stripping it down,
cleaning it up. That sort of thing looks really lovely,

(30:13):
so now I'm going to put it on. My question
for you is, if you do some sort of restoration
of old tools and things like that, is there a
wax that you use to keep rust at bay And
I've seen it around, I've heard about it, that sort
of thing. But if you've got a tip and it
works for you, please text me nine two so you

(30:35):
know I've cleaned it back. There's some nice bright metal
now it's caste obviously, and I want to keep it.
It doesn't have to be perfect, but I want to
just put something on it that's going to protect it
but not going to bleed out onto my hands or
onto a piece of timber, those sorts of things. Now,
all I need to do is find a nice bit
of hardwood that I can make some timber jaws on

(30:57):
the inside of it as well, and then it'll go
back in. But more of a story about the workbench
in a moment too. Anyway, we'll get stuck into some callers. Oh,
eight hundred eighty is the number to call. Hello Catherine,
Hi hate, Yeah, very well in yourself.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
Good, thank you. Just a question. Back in twenty sixteen,
we had a fairly top of the line shower installed. Yes,
since then, it's been leaking. It leaked into the corners
where the wall meets the shower, so much so that

(31:33):
the jib board started disintegrating. During those nine years, we
had the build of that installed it, come back and
try to repair it three times across those nine years,
with no luck. It was still leaking. Earlier this week
we had it stripped out by another builder because I

(31:55):
didn't want that original builder to work on it again.
We had the entire shower stripped out by a different
builder earlier this week and he uncovered quite a few problems,
and the floorboards were molded, yet lots of problems. It
wasn't installed correctly to start with. The silicon wasn't right,

(32:16):
the wall was out of line. It hadn't been done
properly in the first place. So we're faced with several
thousand dollars bill. We're just wondering if there's any comeback
with this original builder. He was a master builder, just
wondering whether there's any comeback okay with that, or whether
we're just just going to have to pay the bill

(32:37):
and insurance we're coming to the party.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Either No, no, they wouldn't.

Speaker 12 (32:43):
I'm just wondering if there's any comeback with that. I
mean it was the amount of time seen nine years.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
So yeah, and typically we often talk about the sort
of ten year warranty period right where you know, as
if you're doing restricted building work then you're you're expected
to have a minimum warranty about ten years. Right. So
as an LBP, which I presume if this per well,

(33:12):
can you.

Speaker 12 (33:12):
Be a master a masterbility?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I think, well, look, if you you've obviously got the
name somewhere, just go to building dot gov dot nz
and look on the LBP register. Right So, if the
person is an LBP, then you've sort of got some
redress through the LBP scheme, but it'll probably be quite
a hard one to prove. If they are a member

(33:38):
of Master Builders and they're current with their membership, then
possibly they could at least have a word with them
to go, hey, look, you know the work's not great.
Is the person who is now going to undertake the
remediation work. They're a licensed building practitioner as well.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
I believe, So okay, all right again, and he's.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
One of the best things. One of the best things
about the scheme is it takes about thirty seconds to
find out whether someone's an LBP or not. So building
dot gov dot in the type you're either there or
you're not right. So the other option, of course, is
to go through the disputes tribunal to write us essentially
a summary of facts, and go, look, this is the work,

(34:21):
it was poorly done. Here's the evidence for it being
poorly done, and then try and seek a claim from
that person through the disputes tribunal that will cover some
of the costs of the remediation. Now, if you were
talking about a year later, maybe you would have more grounds.
You know, the tribunal might decide that well, actually, ten

(34:42):
years is not an unreasonable amount of time or thereabouts.
I think that the shower should last much longer than that,
and I'm sure that the manufacturer of the shower will
want to say that as well. Those might be your options,
but it really depends on how much time and effort
you want to put into this or whether I can

(35:07):
imagine how incredibly frustrating it is, given that you know
shower installation. So this is a pre form base and
a pre formed wall, essentially like a Kitsett shower. They
should be simple to install, right, But I know that
they're not. And I know that people often do really
basic things incorrectly or don't do them at all, and

(35:29):
that can cause problems. So having the wall, for example,
out of square or out of plumb will mean that
trying to get the sheet sit down neatly onto the
tray is really difficult. You can get around it, but
if you don't do anything about it, you'll get leaks.
And that's obviously what's happened.

Speaker 12 (35:44):
Yeah, yees, yeah, and they've had to cut away all
the floorboards.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
And yeah it is. It'll be a lot of work
for something that shouldn't. I wonder whether in the end
try master builders, but dispute tribunerals there for you as well.
Good luck, thanks for help already, take care all the
this this is we need to take a break, don't

(36:08):
we or do we? We do? Okay, Ron is going
to tell me how to look after my old tools
after the break back in a moment.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Whether you're painting with ceiling fixings, or wondering how to
fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf GAMPI
call on the resident builder on youth Dogs B.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I love this text, Hey, Pete. Showers shouldn't be done
by builders. Get a shower specialist. Ninety percent of the
time it's the liner to the tray seal, which is
why manufacturers put additional notes or on the trays about
fifteen years ago from Simon. Look, I don't completely disagree
with your Simon, but having installed a shower twenty twenty

(36:50):
on a project that we were doing myself and it's
okay and it doesn't leak, I feel that I hear
what you're saying. I mean they like people rush to
do them. I think people don't read the instructions, which
is a classic male thing. M and then and don't
bother setting them up right. So yeah, someone who does

(37:11):
them all the time probably will do it better, let's hope,
than someone who like me does it every five years
or so. But that's not to say bilders can't do it.
You just got to do it right. Oh, eight hundred
eighty eighty ten eighty eight hundred eighty ten eighty that's
the number to call. Ron talk to me about stopping
rust on the tools. And I'm in a really rubbish garage, right,

(37:33):
so I get quite a lot of rust, to be fair.
So what are you doing morning, Ron?

Speaker 7 (37:40):
Yeah, we are too, right down on the waterfront, right.
Penetrol Have you ever used penatrol? You get it from
Bunnings or any of the paint companies. It was originally
made in the nineteen thirties, made by Flood and it's
American or American based. It was made to put into

(38:03):
paint to keep a wet edge paint when you're painting,
and also pull the brush marks out of it. So
anything that's turps base, yeah paint, you put a few
drops and instead of turps and it flows everything out. Now.
I use it on aluminion windows. Put it on a
rag and wipe it around your alminion windows. If it's

(38:27):
powder coated, you won't believe what it'll look like. It'll
come up like brand new, just on a bit of
rag and the sun doesn't affect it. As I say,
I've put it all on my aluminion windows. We're right
down on the waterfront. Salt water, salt air, God knows,
what seals all the joints. It's got a lovely flat

(38:47):
finish to it. It dries it, it's not sticky, but
on your tools.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
That's what I was wondering about, is that, you know,
like you can put all sorts of things on, but
then every time you touch it, you've got that residue
on your fingers. Right, So I want something that's going
to kind of bond to the surface, let's say, but
the dry to the touch.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
Yes, And it's absolutely dry, and it puts a beautiful
finish on it. So easy to use. You just put
on a bit of rag and just wipe it around
your your element and joint round stuff like that. But
as far as preserving old tools and old things that
have rusters started to bubble through the paint, like a bike,

(39:31):
mudguards or bikes, and ye put it on that, you
won't believe what will happen. It'll preserve it. So it
keeps it in keeping. And it's the it says it
makes paint stick to anything with glass, bronze, copper, element
and steel. My grandson I got him the easily built

(39:55):
a steel desk with a wooden top on it and
cleaned all the steel up and wiped it over with penetrols.
It's made a fantastic finish on it, and it's really
really good on all the tools on my boat. I
use it there on your saws and things like that.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Exactly that. The other day, in fact, yesterday, I was
in the workshop grabbed an old hand saw that I've
got hanging on the wall because there's one cut that
I just couldn't do any other way. And you know,
one side of it had started to get I mean,
it's pretty old, but it started to get some rust
on it, and I was like, oh damn, I need
to look Ideally, I need to get a better workshop.
But in the event that I can't do that, then

(40:39):
something like this might be the go Thank.

Speaker 16 (40:41):
You all much.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Looks looks great.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Scotch, Scotch Bright or partner. If it's a really stainless
Partner or Scotch Bright. It won't scratch the surface and things,
but you won't believe what it'll do to powder coating.
It's cheap. It's about thredy five bucks or something.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's gone up and it's gone. It's forty three dollars
thirty is where I found it for a litera and oh, look,
I'll probably get through it. Hey, Ron really appreciate it,
thank you very much. And this was a day that
I thought after the show, I'll just go straight home.
Now it looks like I'm going to the hardware store, which,
to be fair, is not too much of it. It's
not odious for me. Probably there, I don't know, once

(41:26):
a week, twice a week, maybe maybe a little bit less. Anyway,
I know what I will be doing. I'll be back
straight after news, sport and weather. We'll take your calls
after the news.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on news talks MB oh right, hey.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Look this is I was asking for advice. I'm more
than happy to take calls of course as well, because
I look I extuly. I'll put a photograph up on
social media the other day yesterday, I think sometime so
I have a look for resident builder on either Instagram

(42:09):
or Facebook. You'll find it there. And there's my little vice, right,
I've had it for ages and ages. It's been on
the bench. My bench is covered with a sheet of tryboard. Right,
So when I first made my work bench many many
years ago, I did it in the same style as
the ones that you would have had if you did
woodwork lessons at high school or at intermediate. In my case,

(42:33):
we didn't. I went to a school. We didn't have
our own woodwork shop at school, so we had to
go in a bus down the road to another school
or to another place to do woodwork in Form one
and Form two as it was back in the day,
so year seven and eight and woodwork benches back then
were often done in such a way that you had
two raised planks on the outside and a slightly lower

(42:56):
one on the inside right, so you had the step
down in the middle of the bench. So when I
made my work bench, I don't know how many years
ago I did exactly that. I had a couple of
pieces of twelve two and then the middle one was
recessed and so on, which, to be fair, nowadays I
find a little bit annoying. So again I don't know
how many years ago. It's got to be ten or
fifteen years ago. I had a leftover sheet of triboard

(43:20):
triboards made by Jane L. Ducan, and I got that
and I cut it down to roughly the size of
the top and I just put a couple of screws
through it and fixed it on top. So I've got
a flat surface to work on. And the triboarders, you know,
you can do house framing, you can do interior linings.
I don't think the triboard people ever thought that you

(43:41):
someone like me would use it as a work bench
for as long as it has. But look, I paint
on it, I weld on it, I grind on it,
I screw things into it, I cut on top of it.
I cleaned down tools on it. Da da da da da. Anyway,
it's thoroughly abused, and so one corner of it, where
I tend to do most of my work, was starting

(44:03):
to look quite pitted with saw cuts and drill marks
and screw holes and so on. So for the first time,
and like I say, more than ten probably fifteen years,
I unscrewed it, flipped it around, just end for end,
like swapping a mattress over, and now I've got a
slightly better corner to work on. The amazing thing is
that in a couple of years time, I'll probably just

(44:24):
turn it over and use the underside. But I still
haven't worn through the top of the old triboard so durable, yes, definitely.
But in doing that, that's why I could get to
the bolts for the vice, and I took the vice off,
cleaned the vice down the vice. I took a little
photograph of put it up on the old socials yesterday.
And now I've asked you listeners what type of product

(44:46):
I can use to put over the top of the
bear metal to ensure that it doesn't rust. And I've
had a heap of text messages, thank you very much.
The one that I was talking to Ron about just
before the break is a product called penetrol so peen
e tro l, and I found under one liter container

(45:07):
of it. But I've also found that it comes in
an aerosol, which could be quite helpful. So I might
go for the aerosol on my way home, which means
I won't be home for a little while because while
I'm at the store there will be something else that
I need to buy as well. Anyway, that's my day
sort of. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, let's talk
about your projects. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

(45:30):
the number to call. I will go through some of
the texts about different products, but the one that I
think I'm settling on right now. I love this one
person that takes through about like boiled linseed oil. I
know I've seen people who do restoration of sort of
metal items, you know, old draws and bench tops and
things like that, who might use a type of wax.

(45:53):
So if you've had success with that, give me a call. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Roger.
Good morning, morning, Roger. I'm well in yourself.

Speaker 17 (46:04):
Oh, not too bad, that's too bad. I've got a
small problem what you're can to help me with. They
had this place built or three years ago. It's only
a small place, and had some laminated smaller input down. Yes,
and after about twelve months it started, you know, bowing
and twisting in the middle of it. It's only a
small area. So we had the people come out and

(46:25):
they redid it. But it started again after two years
three years. Is that because there's crocretly paired? Is it
because of it's on even or.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Look to be fair, it could be sort of multiple sources, right,
It could be multiple reasons for that to happen. So
the concrete slab, I presume the concrete slab is an
older concrete slab and it's dry.

Speaker 17 (46:48):
There was a new build three years ago.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, right, How did anyone test the moisture content of
the concrete slab before they put the laminate flooring down?

Speaker 17 (46:58):
No, I would say, no, small place we had to build.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yeah, yeah, okay. And if they didn't test it, did
they down a vapor barrier over the top of the
concrete before I straight lemonated.

Speaker 17 (47:12):
It's not very thick lemonade, but you know, straight into
the concrete, I'd think.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, that might be the problem. Right, And even after
this time, there may still be sufficient moisture in the slab,
and especially now that you've you know, you've encapsulated that
moisture by putting the laminate floor on it, right, So
it's not going to continue drying out, and it's going
to continue to exude that moisture or extrude that moisture,

(47:38):
release it, and that'll get sucked up into the flooring
and that might cause the flooring to move. The flooring.
Is it a floating floor or a glued down floor.

Speaker 17 (47:48):
I'm presuming it's a floating flooring. I didn't sort of
won't here when they came back and.

Speaker 14 (47:53):
Did it, but.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
You tap it, does it feel a little bit drummy,
a little bit hollow?

Speaker 17 (47:59):
It does? It does?

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Okay, So it might be a floating floor. The other
thing that people sometimes don't do with a floating floor
is enough space for expansion and contraction, because they will
move a little bit. And one of the other common
things is sometimes when it comes to the installation of
the kitchen, people may end up with panels that come

(48:21):
down and trap the floor and stop the floor from moving.
So typically, if you're laying the floor, you'd leave like
a ten mil gap around the perimeter, which you then
cover with the skirting board. You make sure that end
panels and those sorts of things don't come down and sit.
You certainly don't put your cabinets on top of a
floating floor because that will trap it and then the

(48:42):
inevitable movement will want to happen, and instead of being
able to sort of expand and contract, it's constrained and
then the boards will cup in a certain place. The
work that was done, was there any warranties off it
up or anything like that, because I'm sure that the
person the manufacturer of the product doesn't want to see

(49:05):
the product fail this way, not know.

Speaker 17 (49:10):
Like we hit the capital two and a half by
two and a half meter spare for the kitchen, and
then yeah, all there's three sides have been more silicon.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
But yeah, I wonder whether I do in this instance,
possibly there's an issue with the slab, and then there's
probably an issue with the way in which it's been
laid that doesn't allow it to move.

Speaker 17 (49:34):
And in which case, when an inuation underneath the tire
an the yes.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Sometimes those floating floors are often laid down over a
mat of some description, and and some of those mats
will help control moisture. But I think on a new
build I'd often be inclined to try and put down
an actual apply a vapor barrier to the top of
the slab before I did a floating floor over the

(50:02):
top of it. And if that's not there, then that's
probably part of it. Have you like, do you have
confidence in the contractor who did it to solve the
problem or are you looking for someone else?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Well?

Speaker 17 (50:15):
I did ring him up, but he was sort of this.
He wouldn't give him Geese said it, come out and
redo it again and charges this time, and right, they
wouldn't guarantee it it wouldn't happen again.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
So yeah, okay, hey, look, if you want another bit
of advice, there's a company called Extreme Flooring. If you're
in the auto Extreme Flooring and in June, who runs
that knows a lot about it. He's been in that
space for a long time. He might be a good
person to talk to. Okay, mate, all the best, take care,

(50:48):
Thank you, Zerah Roger. Now quickly these texts, can you
repeat or spell the name of that product to restore
and stop rust on tools? Would really appreciate that from
Mary Anne. Look, the one that's been suggested, and I'm
open to other suggestions to be fair, is a product
called Penetrol, which I'm pretty sure I've heard about somewhere
along the line. So e tro l. Turns out you

(51:09):
can buy it an Elita container or an aerosol. I
might have a look at the aerosol on the way home.
Further to the earlier tos text, read the soft seal.
Use it on part of the vice that's under the
bench top. This is I'm pretty sure I've got a
canad this at home. It's a spray which but it
goes on quite thick and it's sort of tacky. So

(51:31):
I'm thinking that I've used it, you know, if I've
cleaned up a spade, right, and I might not use
it for a couple of weeks or months or maybe
even longer. I've used it there, but I don't know
that i'd want to use it on something that I'm
going to handle often. I don't think that's the right one.
Mate uses penetrol, keeps that Russ patina on classic cars

(51:53):
that he restores. I quite like that, look, I have
to say. And then a random text, Pete, when is
the Block coming back? Always enjoyed watching you on the show.
I don't think it well at the stage, there's no
sign that it's coming back. Although now that Sky has
brought three, who knows, maybe they'll look at it and go,
what was our number one rating show? It was the Block?

(52:14):
Why don't we bring it back? That's a good idea.
Give me a call. Oh eight hundred eighty eighty is
the number to call David. Good morning to you, Hi, Pete.
How are you good? Hey David? I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
That's good.

Speaker 18 (52:27):
So we've got a nineteen eighties house. Garage basement is leaky.
It's concrete block and on the outside we've got basically
dirt going up one half meters and then a deck,
so it's yes, not easily accessed. So what we have

(52:47):
done is we had a retired builder come in help
with on the outside put in waterproofing, put in foam
and then putting in waterproof sheeting on top. And on
the inside we've put some sort of waterproof paint right
and last downpours we've had water puddle puddling in the garage.

(53:11):
Looks like it's coming in maybe from the top near
the brick work, as well as at the bottom. So
I guess two things, one without hopefully having to dig
right down, which is not quite mission impossible, putting something
on the bricks and some port in case it's coming

(53:32):
through the bricks, some sort of waterproofing on the outside bricks,
and then on the inside. I don't know what we
do from that. We actually put a message on community
Facebook yesterday and we had to reply someone coming around
today to put something on the inside with a ten

(53:54):
year warranty, and someone else who replied and said, don't
bother doing that's just on the inside. It won't It's
wondering where we go from there and or so whether
you have an on air or off air recommendation.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah, look, it's probably no consolation, but it's not an
uncommon problem nineteen eighties build, though, I would have expected
that on the exterior of the block work that goes
into the basement area that there would have been some
probably what we flint coat or a similar sort.

Speaker 18 (54:31):
Of black definite black.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah, okay, so that should extend all the way down
the blocks and ideally lap onto the foundation and so on.
And then I don't think we were you know, I
was building then, and we didn't do a particularly good
job around the waterproofing, but there should be some flint
coat on there. Ideally it should have had a protective
layer against it, so some polystyrene or anything, right, and

(54:57):
then backfilled with scoria and I and.

Speaker 18 (55:00):
They also had what do you call it the roofing
that left over roofing material.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Really okay, look, you know I've seen it done like
that before.

Speaker 18 (55:12):
And when we bought the house the add option the
builder happened to be there who said it was a
fantastic build. It's really well built.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah, okay, So look a belt embraces approach, is you
want to work from the outside right that you want
to stop the water getting into the block work, and
to do that, you'd have a decent waterproof layer, whether
that's a brush on or a torch on or a
peel and stick or whatever on the exterior. But you

(55:43):
also want to give that water somewhere to go. So
if there's no drainage coil like Baby Black Snake or
you know, some sort of perforated drain coil at the bottom,
and it doesn't have somewhere to go, you're essentially you're
putting in a dam and then you're holding the water
there and it's looking for somewhere to go, and that's
that's what's happening. So the best solution would be to

(56:05):
expose the exterior of the block wall right down to
the footings, at least sort of halfway down the footing,
make sure it's thoroughly water proofed, make sure that you
put drainage coil in there, and then backfill with free
draining material that allows the water to hit the drainage
coil and be directed away. That's the best case. That

(56:25):
might be too much work, in which case you're then
looking at applying something to the inside of the wall.
It's going to stop the water coming through rather than
getting in the challenge with that is a couple of
the products that I know of. You need to have
a bare surface, so the fact that it's already been
painted means that you've got to strip that off, which

(56:49):
again is a lot of work on the inside of
the wall. Right, there are some two pot of poxies.
Someone saysteck through, there's a all next two pot of POxy.
I know another guy who does, like in go through
the wall and drills holes let's say every ten centimeters

(57:10):
and injects and a POxy into that that saturates through.
Myself the other day I put down some equa mix. Yeah,
it's by seems like a waterproof and compound that is
a crystalline solution that seeks out moisture and seals moisture

(57:32):
crystal proof. There we go. But you need a bear
surface in order to do that, right.

Speaker 19 (57:38):
Yeah, But.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
The hard thing is by having a go at a solution,
you might have actually gotten the way of a more
permanent solution. Again, you know, you can't really get past
the fact that doing it from the outside and doing
it properly is going to be the best solution, right.

Speaker 18 (58:00):
The other I did dig down in it a third
a meter or so half meter.

Speaker 16 (58:10):
It was very dry.

Speaker 17 (58:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Water Yeah, the other thing that you mentioned. So you've
got a block about basement and block foundation, and then
you've got bricks on the first floor above that. Yes,
So the way that that will be done is there'll
be like a two fifty head of block on top
of the two hundred series blocks, and then there'll be
the cavity, your timber framing sits inside there, and then

(58:33):
there's the bricks. The brick should have a wheephole at
the bottom. So yes, that now one of the things
like for the building code today, you would actually put
in a small forty five degree bevel in there, do
that with some water, and then before you lay your
courses of blocks, you would water proof that seal, right,

(58:54):
which I know we didn't do in the eighties and
often didn't even put like a little filet in there
to get a forty five degree. So there is a
possibility that what's happening is moisture that's hitting the brick work,
going through the brick work, hitting the cavity at the
back of the brick, which is what it's designed to
do drains down lands on that flat surface of your
head of block, and then, rather than being directed out

(59:16):
through the wheaphole, actually penetrates and soaks into the masonry,
and that's what's tracking all the way through the wall
and down. It's a long way for it.

Speaker 18 (59:27):
Building paper does get damp.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Right, Okay, Look, you could do a clear seala on
the outside of the brickwork. I'm always a little bit
dubious about it because the way that bricks work is
that they will absorb a certain amount of moisture, and
if it's excessive moisture, it reaches the back of the brick,
drains down through the cavity, and back out through the wheaphole.

(59:51):
But given that you've got a problem with it, maybe
applying a clear sealer to the exterior of the bricks,
and you'd want to know exactly what type of brick,
whether it's glazed, and talk to a couple of brick
manufacturers around what type of seala they might recommend. Some
of them may well be sort of breathable but waterproof,

(01:00:11):
so there's a little bit of complexity there. That might
be a good place to start. And if you're saying, hey,
look my building paper is damp. Then what's the ceiling
around like the windows and so on on that first floor?
You think you're getting moisture in through there?

Speaker 18 (01:00:29):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (01:00:30):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Okay, all right, look maybe a seiler to the brick
work is going to help. But the really hard thing
is if you've got a certain amount of moisture it's
running down behind the brick and it's sitting on the
brick rebate, and the brick rebate hasn't been waterproofed. How
are you going to waterproof that?

Speaker 13 (01:00:48):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Right? You know you've got a whole course of a
whole wall of brick sitting on top of it. You
could go sort of break by brick by brick, taking
them out, waterproofing it and moving along, but far out.
What a job? Yep, there's your options.

Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
Yeah, yeah, Have you got anyone to recommend in the
the area?

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Whereabouts?

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
You?

Speaker 18 (01:01:14):
Not far from you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Okay, sure, leave your number with Locke, my producer, and
I'll give it some thought. Stay on the line, David,
all the best, no trouble at all, Take care bother
then you and newsed talk CP. If you've got a
building question, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call a couple of people at Lanelin
has been another product. I'm pretty sure I've got some

(01:01:36):
of that around as well, natural and great. Oh yes,
I got some the other day. You can imagine what
my workshop looks like if every time someone mentions a product,
I go, I've got a little bit of that floating around. Yes,
I do. Probably available on aerosol. Actually, thank you very
much for that. The Laneline one quite like that. Aqua

(01:01:57):
kim was the waterproofing suggestion. Well, oh, bry wax, yes,
I've had I might have some of that at home too.
This is for looking after old tools. Happy to take
more suggestions to be fair. But we're going to take
a break. We're going to talk to Jeremy and remember

(01:02:19):
in about now is time we've got climb pass. We're
taking your calls right up till eight thirty this morning.
Have any expert guests or people coming on to the show.
So it's all about you guys today. It is twenty
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done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolfgaf call oh

(01:02:39):
eight Youth Talks Dead be taking your calls. It's just
gone seven thirty and Jeremy, good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:02:47):
Morning, Peter morning, Hey, yeah him. Well, so we the
other day we had an oven installed. We've got an
electrician we've used for years and is excellent and always
had great work. And at the same time our heat
transfer system wasn't working, and I assumed it was the

(01:03:09):
thermostat or could have been the internal fan in the
in the ceiling cavity, and so I showed showed the
main guy around. I said, look, this is this is
what we've got. And by the way, heat trans who's
not going hadn't worked for a couple of years, not urgent.
But you know, could you have a lock if you
do need to have a lock, here's the manhole cover.
You just need to take a little sensor off. You

(01:03:30):
just don't clip it, and then there's a little little
screwed screw hole that you just twist and then the
manhole swings down and above your head. Oh that's all good, Yeah,
pretty ingenious. Well, very clever, yep, yeah, very very clever.
And really later now the main electrician he didn't come

(01:03:52):
to do the oven, and saw another guy came, did
a great job, had to had to cut a few
things out of the bench to make it all fit
for the roof is getting home with the kids and stuff.
So it did an amazing job on the oven and
the bench shark stove. So then he went to look
at the heat trendsur and to get into the ceiling
cavity because I hadn't shown him. I showed the main guy.

(01:04:16):
So he proceeded to open it from the hinge end,
and the metal trim around the manhole cover has been mangled.
Heat pulled it off the ceiling, He got the he
got the fan out, which so I get home from
work Friday night, I was on a big twelve our
day get messages happy dinner's crocked, and I just I

(01:04:41):
just couldn't believe it. So we're going to go back
to the principal guy. But I'm worried about the metal
trim because it's so bent and buckled, and it's a
nineteen eighties house. I don't think we'll be able to
get another one.

Speaker 16 (01:04:56):
And it just looks terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Yeah, and look, I would imagine that the boss of
the electrical company will look at that and just go
because look, I'm really sorry. What can I do to
fix it? Because you know. Look, there's almost like this
should be like a hippocratic oath right for trades as well.
First do no harm, right. So if suddenly you're there

(01:05:21):
and you're going, I'm not really sure how to get
into this fixture and I need to use a crowbar
to open the excess hatch into the ceiling, then I'm
probably not doing it right and you'd stop, right, you
just go, hey, look, I wanted to go up there,
but I couldn't figure out you know, my apologies. We'll

(01:05:44):
come back and sort out next week and maybe you
could leave it open for me or something like that.

Speaker 15 (01:05:48):
But to have it go, I still can't work out
how he managed to jimmy it from the hinge end
and wrap it out. I just know it because the
mechanism from the other end is such a piece of cake.
And I made a point of showing it to He's
a good guy, like, you know, it's not going to
be a big drama by just so getting getting a

(01:06:09):
metal trim and just getting it all done. And the
amazing thing is that the guy did an incredible job
getting the stove top and the other then because he
had to change the bench top, like amazing brilliant and
then to go and you know, yeah by the hinges,
which wasn't even a huge priority.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Incredibly frustrating. Look, I think especially the fact that you've
got a decent relationship with the sort of the principle
of the firm. Let's say send some photographs, go hey, look,
we've got a bit of an issue. Can we chat
about this, and then then you expect that they will
sort it out.

Speaker 15 (01:06:49):
Yeah, that's what we're sort of thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Anyway, you know, And there is I know it's sometimes
a bit flippant, but you know, like the only people
that don't make mistakes of those people that make nothing
is my attitude things. But what was really interesting I
was reading a bit of Brands research the other day
and it was about it was that satisfaction survey that

(01:07:15):
came out. They publicized it a couple of months ago,
and it was talking about how people today or the
surveyed group, were less satisfied with let's say their main
contractor with their builder, and they were in the previous survey.
But then I read through and I had a bit
of a chat to the people that authored the survey,
and the really interesting thing was, so they do the survey.
Then they get people to come in and actually have

(01:07:37):
like a sit down, a bit of a round table
thing where they can ask more questions. And what emerged is,
let's say somebody came like yours, right, and they've caused
some damage. It's not malicious, but they've caused some damage.
If they then come back and fix it, and they
do so promptly, your satisfaction will be higher. This is

(01:08:00):
what they then if they hadn't have made a problem.
So it's that sense that someone comes along does a
good job. You feel good about that. Someone comes along
makes a mistake, but they fix it, you feel even
better about them then if they've just done the job right.
Not saying that we want to make mistakes, but it
seems like the fixing is the mistake is what really

(01:08:23):
impresses clients. So in this instance, you know, I'm hoping
that your guy will go on Monday shivers. I'm really
sorry about that. I'll make sure I come around and
have a look at it today and will work out
a solution, and I'm onto it. Right, You'll feel really
great about them, whereas if they duck and dive like
this other guy that I'm dealing with, at the moment,
you won't feel good. So hey, hope it goes well.

(01:08:43):
Jeremy love the story. Thank you all the bet take
care by way, and Peter, good morning to you.

Speaker 20 (01:08:51):
Oh, good morning Peter.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Greetings.

Speaker 20 (01:08:52):
Hey, I've got a problem and I'm just wondering what
your thoughts are in it. So we bought a house
about four years ago that it had the windows replaced
and that's that's frames windows and double glazing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yes, anyway, we've.

Speaker 20 (01:09:06):
Noticed that in the corners because it was a barne finish,
that the nail rush marks are coming up through. So
we've obviously got moisture. So I've removed part of the
window on the inside of the house, and I don't
know the name. It's just a piece of wood that
goes around the frame. It goes onto the reveal and anyway,

(01:09:27):
so I found in there that the window is resting
against the timber which has got a sort of silver
paper with maybe tar on it, but it's not lifted
off it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:37):
And it's also got bats.

Speaker 20 (01:09:39):
Pushed hard into the into the frame as a form
of insulation. But there's no scribes on the house, so
it's pulling moisture at the bottom of the bats are
all wet, and when I put a moisture test there,
lucky they're three point one reveals they all shown red.
They're all wet, and so there's no flashing underneath the window.

(01:10:02):
And it's also not lifted off the wooden frame. So
obviously I'm thinking we're going to have to cut all
the screws there, let and lift them up. Is there
any way to get a flashing underneath that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
So this would be on the sill, So you'd like
have an under flashing or a sill flashing that goes
in before the window gets installed.

Speaker 20 (01:10:26):
Yeah, which I believe should have been there anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Yeah, I think so too, because most can I presume
that the replacement joinery that went in is aluminium jowinery.
It's okay, look the fact that they've and it's what
weather board cladding on the exterior.

Speaker 20 (01:10:43):
It's a fibrous sport I think they call it rusticated board.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Okay, But where the aluminium extrusion is pushed hard back
on the exterior cladding, there should be either worst case
scenario as people just fill it up with silicon that
little divot that's there, or there should be a little
plug that you can put into them, or there should
be a scriber. It's made right, so down the side

(01:11:08):
of the windows there should be no gaps, right, it
should be seen. That's so obviously, if moisture is being
drawn in there, that's an issue. And then lots of
elementium joinery, lots of joinery in general, has a provision
where moisture that gets around the edge of the sash
is able to then drain out. But if it's draining out,
you want it to be directed outside, right, not inadvertently

(01:11:31):
being directed back inside to the building envelope, in which
case are sill flashing there. But if you can solve
the problem of the water getting in the side of
the windows around the frame itself, then you may not
have to solve the problem at the sill, because solving
the problem that the sill would mean taking all of
the windows out.

Speaker 20 (01:11:51):
I know, well, what I had thought is too unfortunately
one part of its three stories high, right, as if
we could just lift them up, you know, like it
takes off the packers and lift it right up as
high as I could go, and if I could slide
something underneath it, you know, just and then drop the

(01:12:13):
window back down with a packer, So it's not the
actual reveil isn't sitting against the timber, but sitting on
a plastic packer, that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I get what you're saying, and you know, because the
attractive part of that is that I don't need to
take the window out. But you might find that for
all of the time and effort and the fiddly nature
of it, because in the end, if these are replacement windows,
literally they'll be fixed through the jam liner with some nails.
Now maybe you end up damaging well, they're screwed, okay,

(01:12:45):
So find where the screws are back the screw out.
It's a two person job, lift the window out, do
the sill. You could do some tapes around the perimeter,
and all the rest of it. You could reinstall it.
You could do an acl around the perimeter of the window,
and it probably almost take you as long, I would
imagine with most of those windows to just simply take

(01:13:07):
them out and do it properly and put them back
in again. Then it would to basically fart around trying
to get a flashing into the bottom. That seems like
a really unpleasant job, to be.

Speaker 20 (01:13:18):
Fair, because I had even thought of just leaving like
leaving the bottom part under the screws, like you've seed
any trouble as all the screws are being.

Speaker 16 (01:13:29):
Bogged over all.

Speaker 20 (01:13:30):
Yeah yeah, so I'm probably just going to cut them
with a.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Get in there with a multi tool really hard and
trying to slider flashing in there is you really want
a bit of an upstand on that flashing as well,
and you won't be able to get in there to
adjust it or to fix that or to seal it.
So you know, if you're there for a while and
you wonder it right, I'd suggest you actually pulled the
windows out they went in so they can come out,

(01:13:57):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 20 (01:13:58):
You know they've come out all right. It's just a
little bit annoying that there's people there they putting windows
in like that, you know, because it's wet. She carried
on the renovation because then.

Speaker 17 (01:14:08):
He did jay Bar.

Speaker 9 (01:14:09):
Yeah. Sure, and we've got the.

Speaker 20 (01:14:10):
Rest of it done. And now when I looked at
how our the window guys have put it in, and
that's not going to cause the problem at all. But
I have put the other windows and they've caused the problem.
And now we've got wet cells and windows that are
probably six years old.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah, frustrating a and people should know better now, Like
you know, we've been talking about windows and flashing details
and understanding moisture and gress and all of these sorts
of things for long enough now that really there's no
excuse for people not knowing how to do it correctly,
which is a little comfort to you. But I'd suggest

(01:14:46):
a good solution pull those outside.

Speaker 20 (01:14:48):
And yeah, that's where I was thinking, sort of like
I've spoke to a builder and he's saying, all, we
can work around it, and I'm like, I'm probably like you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
I'm like, there will always be a compromise, and I
get the work around, I get the temptation to do
it that way, but it'll there'll always be a promise,
and you just don't know that you're ever going to
get a complete job, whereas if you take the window out,
you can get a complete job. And I'd be inclined
to head that way. Got to move on, lovely to
talk to you, Peter and all the very best for that.

(01:15:18):
But like I say, you know, the in sort of
all of the literature, whether it's the brand stuff or
online magazines and healthy home, all of this stuff we
know enough about how to install windows correctly that there
should be really no excuse for basically stuffing it up anymore.
People just should know better. It is seven forty three

(01:15:38):
here at Newstalks b Measure. God was but maybe call
Pete first. Pet you worfcare the resident builder. News Talk said, be.
Your news talk said be if you've got a question,
hopefully I've got an answer. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? And again thanks
for all your suggestions around looking after old tools and

(01:15:59):
sort of preserving metal in such a way that it's useful.
Like you know, I don't want something that's gooey and
sticky that'll keep the rust down. But I can't. You
have to be able to use it. Someone says, most
of the show has been about the old vice. Not quite,
but anyway heavily at the picture online. It's it's a
it's a lovely we old thing. Nimsu good morning, good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
Yesterday I was helping my friend on the gutter of his.

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
Eighty build.

Speaker 9 (01:16:35):
Past the hole and uh in from the gutter. It's internals,
internal gutter and it wrapped in the in the metal
metal seat. It's not beautiful from outside, but but the
golf got a problem and it was leaking and we

(01:16:57):
were had look at it. It's it's not the it's
not the usual one that we we we buy from bundings.
Were even went to Medicend and bundions and confined the
matching ones those gutter.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
So just to be clear, So what we're talking about
is the internal spouting in a concealed spouting system, so
it's out on the edge of the building, correct, Yeah, okay, Yeah.
The challenge with some of those is that whoever did
that system right, whichever one it is, typically they made
that profile of spouting that internal gutter little channel themselves,

(01:17:44):
so it's not a stock item anywhere. So you'd need
to try and find out who what brand of concealed
spouting external facure it is, and then try and go
back to that manufacturer if they still exist, and have
them make new pieces. Look, we've talked about this sort

(01:18:04):
of thing quite a bit on the show because kind
of the one thing that we know is that they
all cause problems eventually, and your friend has just discovered that.
I would suggest, if it's possible, the better long term
solution is to actually have that system replaced with a
new exterior facia with an exterior spouting. And there's a

(01:18:28):
couple of companies around who do that quite readily and regularly.
They've got a system for it. So my advice would
be you could you can try and repair it, which
is difficult because they're difficult to get into and to
seal correctly, or just replace it. Yeah, that's that's one
of the problems with them. So look, if you jot

(01:18:52):
down continuous group or custom facier and spouting, both of
those groups, I know that they have systems. So continuous
group or custom flashings and spouting, both of those teams
will be able to help you out. Oh wait one
hundred good luck with that. We need to take another break.

(01:19:14):
It is ten minutes away from eight o'clock. Back after
the break, doing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
On the house, storting the garden, asked Pete for a hand.
It's a resident builder with Peter Wolfcab. Call eight hundred
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Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Talks they'd be Remember rid climb passed at eight thirty.
But right now, John, good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (01:19:33):
Good morning, good John.

Speaker 14 (01:19:37):
I've been listening to your program.

Speaker 16 (01:19:38):
I've listened to it every Sunday.

Speaker 14 (01:19:40):
Morning and rather than do it, thank you continually hear
of this problem that people have got us actually trying
to see all block work from moisture. Yes, and I've
been involved in the motor trade.

Speaker 19 (01:19:54):
All my life and it's a bit left field.

Speaker 15 (01:19:57):
But there's a.

Speaker 14 (01:19:57):
Product that we used called flintcoat, which has actually come
from a leader can and you screw it up on
it like a pistol grind and you spread onto a dry,
clean surface. Right, and I want to see all vehicles
and that sort of thing, and it's very good for
abrasion and that sort of thing. And I reckon that
would be a way to solve the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
The challenge was sometimes with applying product to the inside.
Is that most of these products you put on the outside. Yeah,
and look, flint coat is what you know we do
on block work for a long time. You can still
use it today and it's just a brush on application.
Or yes, if you've got the right gear, you could
spray it on. That would actually be quite good because

(01:20:41):
I think you'd get a higher build and a couple
of people.

Speaker 14 (01:20:45):
Here, Well, you just let it dry and then put
another coat on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Yeah, that's right. The really hard thing sometimes is those
sorts of jobs, Like it's never a terribly pleasant job. Right,
You're in between an exposed clay bank and the block
wall in front of you, and you're trying to get
in there, and you covered in this stuff, and nobody
likes doing it. But if you if you've got the

(01:21:09):
right attitude, like this is this has got to last
for fifty years, right, So if I miss a spot,
it's going to cause a problem because the water pressure
will build up and it'll force through there. So it's
it's being really really diligent about applying those that you know,
getting in there and getting every single corner. I often

(01:21:29):
would water down my first coat just a little bit,
as per the recommendation, and then in some cases I'd
make up a separate little slurry with some sand in it,
just for those areas where maybe there's a bit of
the pointing that hasn't been completely finished, so you're effectively
like plastering the back of the wall as well.

Speaker 14 (01:21:47):
Look, actually the secret is with this sort of product
is not to actually fin it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
But right, ah, okay, yes, that's interesting. Interesting I do
I've often done the same thing with tubes of seilant
if I you know, because if it's particularly cold, it's
really hard to use sealants sometimes, so I've put them
in warm water in the sink before i use it.
So hey, look, I love the ideas. I really do.

(01:22:16):
John and someone else's text through similar to John's do
it right the first time. The best way did not
have problems later on is to do it right the
first time, and that might take time, but doing it
right the first time is always the best way. We're
going to talk to Stephen after the new Sport and

(01:22:37):
whether we will take your calls right through to late
thirty of a building Nature and then we're into the
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Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd like
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Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter
wolf Camp a call on eighty the resident builder on
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Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Back to the show. Pete wolf Camp resident build it
with you right through nine. But of course we change
gear at eight thirty, climb pasted in at eight thirty.
If you've got any gardening and entomological questions then you
can direct those to Rudd from eight to thirty. But
right now we're taking your calls. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number. Hello Stephen, Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:23:26):
Hi Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Just a question.

Speaker 19 (01:23:29):
Yeah, I've had a window replaced around twenty years ago,
the aluminium window. It was originally an arched wooden one
that was replaced with a square elemion one. Yes, the
guy that put it in, he used a skill sew
to rip a groove to put a top flashing in

(01:23:52):
and he's sealed that get between the flashing and the
top or or bottom of the weather board above it. Yes,
that's not a good idea because that traps any water
that might get them.

Speaker 13 (01:24:11):
Is that right?

Speaker 19 (01:24:12):
Should that be done?

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
It depends a little bit on whether or not there
is a cavity behind the weather boards, right, So if
the weather board is designed to drain it's got a
cavity behind it, like we've been doing for probably the
last twenty years, then yes, you don't want to seal
that exit because you actually want to allow moisture to
get out. But if, for example, it's direct fixed weather

(01:24:35):
boards and you want to stop weather being driven in
there and then basically into the building envelope, then putting
a bead of sealant there is not a bad idea.

Speaker 19 (01:24:47):
Not a bad idea. Okay, Well, so that the house
was built on the mid eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Yeah, chances are it's direct fixed weather boards. You've you know,
it's all it's really tricky adding flashings, you know, retrospectively.
So in this instance, you've got some existing weather boards,
you're trying to get a flashing up there. I tend
to prefer just putting one over the face and up

(01:25:12):
underneath the next board rather than trying to cut through,
depending on what type of flashing you're installing. Have you
had any issues with leaking?

Speaker 19 (01:25:22):
Yeah, of the normalies we've had lately, I've noticed that
it's been a leak path, but I've actually yesterday found
out that the weather boards above it are rotting.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
So right, I feel your pain, exc what you mean? Yeah,
so no funny. We got on to talking about seilans
last week as well, and you know, I like my
attitude has always been is it's that they're a useful

(01:25:55):
addition to overall weather proofing a building, but I don't
it's very rare that they are the sole line of defense.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:26:07):
They shrink, and this is a north facing wall, so
it just gets hammered by the sun or from along
and then seilance. You might get ten years out of
them before they start to break down.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
I would take interesting. I went to look at a
job on Friday where someone I know looks after a building.
They said, look, we've done this, we've done that, and
we're still getting leaks inside the building. And I went
and had a look, and sure enough there was a
flashing on a sill. So it was a slightly unusual situation.
But the celant that they had used had obviously broken down,

(01:26:42):
and while they'd replaced lots of other bits and pieces
looking for the leak, no one had looked at that detail.
And I went, well, there's your problem right. The way
in which the flashing is connected to the joinery, it
means that it's prone to movement. That movement is only
then protected by the sealant, in which case you're one
hundred percent reliant on the ceilant, and the seilant's not

(01:27:03):
going to last forever. So there's your problem. Yeah, you know,
ceilants really should be seen as a maintainable item. They're
not put it in and forget about it. Yeah, nice
to talk to you all the very best on that.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Hello Eric, Hello, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:27:22):
Today, I have an old home built in the city
where you're a one way journer family. So we're cash
flow can train yep. We'd like to do the exterior
of the house and we're thinking of painting. So it's
two story. First story is concrete block yep. The second

(01:27:43):
story is the mixture of twos. I don't know exactly
what they are, brough describe them. So like a four
or five mili pick.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Concrete for five a cement sheet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:27:56):
With the it's almost like an asphalt skinish on the outside,
really old stuff and the other stuff is the same,
only it's smooth and we think it's best right. We
don't want to disturb anything because's nothing riable, and we'd
like to paint. We think that probably are keep this

(01:28:17):
story out. We want to stay there for ten years
and then we'll be a retirement agent. It's time to
downside put somebody else to figure out the house. Is
there any special requirements we should be putting on a
contracted paint, like probably should use a primer, And I'm
out of my depth here, so I just want to

(01:28:38):
know the scope of work.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Are you going to do the painting or you're going
to get a painter?

Speaker 16 (01:28:46):
Fifty nine scared hires now fair enough?

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
Fair enough, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
We use.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Often on the show, we'll have razine experts, so they'll
come on. One of the things that the razine sort
of rips might do is actually come out assess the
job and actually help you to create a scope of
works for it. And I suspect it's going to be
something along the lines of a chemical treatment to wash

(01:29:17):
the exterior surface, get rid of any moss and mold
and mildew that's on there, because if you paint over that,
you just you're trapping that and it'll eventually cause the
paint finished to deteriorate. So, but then, because you've got
some concern around a SPECIs, you don't want to be
too aggressive with that. So it's going to be a
chemical wash and a rinse. Then probably if the paint

(01:29:40):
is old, it'll be a primer, so an adhesion primer,
which might just be quick dryer, it might be sure
seals something like that, and then two top coats and
then it could be lumberside, it could be sonic. So
but you know, if you're unsure and you're unsure of
what direction to give to your painting contractor, it might
be worth phoning your local color shop and just going

(01:30:03):
do you have a rep who can come out and
help me with that specification? And they may also be
able to advise some razine Eco decorators who could do
the work. So getting sort of professional advice. I know
that they work for a zine, but it's the professionalism
that you want, right, Try that through your local color shop.

Speaker 16 (01:30:23):
Yeah, because all we're looking for is I just want
to stay in the place until we down those we
want to get ten years out of place roofs.

Speaker 14 (01:30:32):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
And the other thing that's really important to mention is
that you know, if if you go invest the money
in a good paint job and it's done well, then
continue to put aside a little bit of money to
clean it every year as well, and that makes a
massive difference to how much time you'll get out of
a coating. Basically, regular washing makes a huge amount of difference.

(01:31:00):
All right, all the best and enjoy you want you
benefit my pleasure. All the very best. You all take care.
We've got time for a couple more calls if you've
got a question. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Pete loved the show. Two Things.
Trying to find Enjurius shield coat. Yep, that's yes. They

(01:31:22):
are in Auckland, but I'm sure if you need it
they can get it moved down. We've got solar panels
on the roof which boosts. Can you rejuvenate it with
a paint product? I'm not sure what you mean there, Jane.
If you've got solar panels on the roof, can you
rejuvenate the roof with a painting product? Not without taking

(01:31:43):
the solar panels off. I'm thinking if that's the point
of it. And I love this one. You know, we've
been talking about sort of protecting tools from rust, right
and someone has suggested this. This is great. Hey, Peter Mutton,
fat for your saws. I was talking about handsaws that
I've got, one of which has start to go a
bit rusty. Leave the saw outside overnight to get a

(01:32:04):
light coating of rust, clean it off with mutton fat.
It will never rust again. From Dan, I have to say,
I'm almost tempted to have a crack at that. Where
do I do? I even want to ask the question
where do I get mutton fat from? Too late, I've

(01:32:25):
asked the question Rightio, We'll take a short break. We'll
be back with you in just a moment. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call Squeaky
door or Squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on news Talks DEBB.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Just another thing that I ran into over the course
of this week and thought I'd just check. Is around
funnily enough water tanks right? So I think, broadly speaking,
most councils and all the rest of it want more
of us to use rainwater harvesting makes a lot of sense.
So even at my place, I've got a Bailey slim

(01:33:04):
Gin tank. So it's one of those ones design to
go into a confined space. It's just at the back
of a little shed, collects the water off there. I
can use it in the garden, use it for water blasting,
irrigating the garden and so on. It's just gravity fed
and I've got a little portable pump if i need
to use it further around the property. So a couple

(01:33:25):
of thousand liters of capacity. It sits on the ground.
It's installed as per the Bailey Instruction Manual, so that
slim gym tank sits there. And they do some other
tanks which are designed, for example, to go underneath an area.
And I someone came and said, oh, do you need
a consent for that? And I thought I'd better check.

(01:33:47):
So if you are putting in a water tank and
it's for stormwater use only, so as in stormwater is
directed into it, you're going to use it for irrigation
in the garden, washing the car, those sorts of things.
And it's sitting on the ground. It's not on a
pedestal or anything like that. It doesn't require a building consent,

(01:34:08):
or it certainly doesn't in Auckland anyway. And this is
from the Auckland Council website. So you know, don't feel
that you need to get a building consent for a
water tank if you're using it for commercial purposes. If
you're using it because it's going to become part of
your non pottable water supply inside the house. So you're
putting in essentially a retention tank that you're going to

(01:34:31):
use for flushing the toilet or running into the laundry,
those sorts of things. Yes, that requires a building consent,
but if you're putting one in partly for I actually
think that they're really helpful in terms of you know,
stormwater overflow as well. Right now I don't need to
water the garden obviously, but it does mean that that
amount of water doesn't go straight onto the ground or

(01:34:53):
into the stormwater system because I'm capturing it in that
slim gym tank. So you know, it might change depending
on which council you are, but the idea of that
you must have a building consent that's changed in those instances.
With those caveats, there's no reason that you shouldn't look
for a water tank. Have a look at the Old
Bailey website, lots of information. There are lots of different

(01:35:14):
types of tanks depending on where you might want to
put it. So just something I ran into this week
that I do some research and there you go. Right here,
let's get back into it. John, good morning to you.

Speaker 21 (01:35:26):
Yeah, good morning, Pat.

Speaker 17 (01:35:27):
I just one of those.

Speaker 21 (01:35:28):
I've got a problem with the radio reception inside my house,
rather an odd problem, but what happens is I've got
a steel framed house which was built in twenty seventeen,
with a brick house as well, and I just wonder
if there's some kind of field that prevents radio waves

(01:35:52):
from getting into the house, because I can listen to
my radio outside the house on the deck. At the
moment I come back in, I lose the radio reception
and it and it phades to like why laws feel
like right? I just wanted if you had heard that
problem before, or one of your listeners might have heard

(01:36:13):
of the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Certainly I can imagine that having, you know, lots of
steel framing is going to interrupt signal within the house.

Speaker 19 (01:36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Gee, you know whether whether or not you need to
look at getting a specific aerial that then broadcasts signal
inside the house, like a like a band expander type
thing that you might have got. That might be an option.
But in terms of the way in which the metal,
you know, the metal framing or the steel framing impacts

(01:36:44):
or that's that's baked in now, isn't it. There's no
changing that. I'm sure that there are some radio hands
out there who might be able to give you some
help with that. I suppose the other option is do
you choose to listen to the radio versus through streaming
rather than through a radio. That's that's another solution. I'm

(01:37:07):
not sure if I can help you too much more
on that, Odette, good morning.

Speaker 13 (01:37:10):
To you, Good morning. I don't know this is a
building issue or where I should go to. We have
a house that's built in the seventies and over the
last year or so we've heard the scuttling noise and
the ceiling, but it's only on one side and we

(01:37:31):
can't get access to it because of the angle of
the roof.

Speaker 10 (01:37:35):
Ah.

Speaker 13 (01:37:36):
Yes, and it only happens probably early hours of the
morning and very instant.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
So it's probably a rat.

Speaker 13 (01:37:45):
It hard enough on the outer wall then it stopped.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
So I mean, look, it would come as no surprise
to you to say it's probably a rat.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
A rat.

Speaker 13 (01:37:57):
Okay, So best option.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Pace control, so someone will be able to come and
if they can't get into that sp lay some baits
nearby that will attract the rodent to it and lead
to its early demise and that'll be problem solved, hopefully.
I suppose what you don't want is that the rat
takes the poison dies inside the roof space, and then
you've got to deal with that. I have to tell

(01:38:25):
this story many many, many years ago. We were living
in a little house with a recontile unit, right and
same thing. Right middle of the night, I hear this scuttling,
scratching sound. I thought, we've got a rat in a ceiling.
So a couple of days later, got a rat trap,
put it up inside the because it was a trust roof,

(01:38:46):
so you get up there, put the rat trap down there.
A couple of days later, I hear the scrab you know,
sound of a rat scrape in its way across the ceiling,
and then bang the trap goes off, and I thought, good,
I've got it, Except about five seconds after that, I
could hear this scraping set and it carried on. It

(01:39:10):
got yes, and I'm like, it's like two o'clock in
the morning. Do I really want to climb up into
the ceiling and find what's going on? Anyway, that block
your ears if you're a little bit sensitive. But the
trap had come down and just caught the snout right,
and so it didn't dispatch the critter, which was my
job after that. So the go I would get someone

(01:39:32):
to do poison. It's probably gonna work better for you,
But I think it's probably a rat.

Speaker 13 (01:39:37):
And one of my pigeons constantly on our deck.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Sorry the what on the wear pigeons? Oh, I tell
you what. Here we go. So again I had similar
problem a little while ago, and I used a product
called wing go, which is a like a gel that
you put down that that stops them landing somewhere. So
in this particular instance, they were rest roosting inside the

(01:40:04):
rafters on a on old veranda, so I cleaned that
all down because you have to get rid of all
of the bird poo and the scent of them. And
then once that had dried out, I applied this window
sort of little gel in little pockets, and to date
I haven't had the birds come back. So there are
sort of little baits that you can put out or
gels that are unpleasant for birds to be around that

(01:40:28):
it doesn't kill the bird, just gets rid of them. Yeah,
So there you go. There's a couple of solutions. I
don't know how we got onto rats and birds, but
there you go. Both of those work. But that sound
I thought, Oh that that that tremendous sort of Ah
got the rat. And then what do you do at

(01:40:49):
two o'clock in the morning, right, Um, do we have time? Yes? Ben,
super quick because I don't want to hold rude up
because it's really grumpy if I if I hold them up. Ben,
good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Can you hear me real quick?

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
Go for it?

Speaker 13 (01:41:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
Planning.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
What's your opinion that seventy five year old dwelling that's
just been repainted? Yes, should we be concerned there's no
proof that it's a spestos. We're probably not going to
run the tests to prove that it's a spestos because
it's not really needed.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
But in that sense, you know, what are the requirements
there in the sense that will it will it keep
chipping away?

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
Light?

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Is it be fine for the next so many years?
Who knows? As long as it's maintained and health wise,
as long as it's not penetrated.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Yeah, it'll be fine. Look, the primary concern is when
essentially you cut it, grind it, break it, and the
fibers become friable, they become airborne. Right, So if it's
on a wall and it's covered in paint, and you're
not going to drill through it, or grind it or
sand it or do anything else to it. I actually
think the risk is very, very low and manageable. It's

(01:41:58):
it's when you go, oh, actually I've got to install
a range hood or I want to put a window in,
and then suddenly you're cutting it and grinding it and
all the rest of it high risk, right, So in
and of itself, I think it's low risk. Don't water
blast it. If you're going to repaint it, just do
a soft wash, apply a primer paint over the top
of it, don't cut it, don't break it, don't back

(01:42:19):
the car into it, and just leave it be. Eventually,
you know, you'll probably want to remove it, in which
case it becomes a job for a specialist to do
the removal in a safe manner and have that monitored,
and then to ensure that the product itself is disposed
of in a site where it doesn't become a problem
for someone later on. But in and of itself, no,

(01:42:43):
I'd probably just leave it there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Easy, too easy, sweet, A hundred more questions, but around
time that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Right, Hey, good on you. Rid appreciates your your promptness
as opposed to my tardiness. Thank you, Ben very much.
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