Full Show Podcast: 28 September 2025

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for 28 September 2025, Pete compares fire safety standards in older builds to the standards in modern housing, the best options for repairing cladding around your house, and leaky buildings return to the table of discussion.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
from US talks by helping you get those DIY projects
done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp Call
eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth Talks v.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in.

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The yard, even when the dog is too old to bar,
and when.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
You're sitting at the table trying not to starve ouse.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Scissor home even when we are.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Bend, even when you're therells.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Houses a long, even when there's cost, even when.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You go around from the ones you love your.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Most screamed us broken pains, apeing in front of.

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Locals, vesperable when they're going and.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Leaving neighbor house, even when wilbra ben, even when you're
in there, looney.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
We're very very falling. And welcome along to the Resident
Builder on Sunday. You with me Peter wolf Camp, the
Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk all
things building construction, uh DIY, home maintenance, repairs, looking after
the place that hopefully looks after you. We're talking about
your house, of course, So if you've got a question

(02:04):
of a building nature, this is the show for you.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. You can text of course, that's nine
two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone. And
if you'd like to send me an email, you're more
than welcome. It's Pete ATNEWSTALKSEB dot co dot nz. So
Pete p E t E at Newstalk SB dot co
dot z. And for those of you who perhaps don't

(02:27):
have the advantage of a smartphone or a smart watch
that automatically updates overnight, it is, of course we've entered
into daylight saving And if I give you about four
or five seconds, it is officially nine minutes after six
on this the twenty eighth of September. So join me
on the program, ask some questions, let's have a bit

(02:48):
of a debate if you'd like to. Actually, I've got
a question for you today as well. I remembered during
the week that i've I've stopped, haven't really regularly done
my terribly unscientific, unthought out, ill considered text questions. And
I was driving around the other day and what I
noticed it was like a promotional thing for the one

(03:11):
of the added features I guess of getting an EV
or a hybrid ute, and there's a few of them
out there at the moment, is that a lot of
them come with a standard three pin plug in the
chess in the in the tray right, And I'm thinking, actually,
that kind of could be quite useful. So if you've
got one of these new fangled devices, one of these

(03:32):
evs or hybrid utes, do you actually make use of
the fact that you can, for example, put your charger
in there or I don't know whether it would give
you sufficient juice to run a circular saw or something
like that, or you know, but I'm thinking charging your phone.
You can already do that out of the car, but
you know, charging plugging in a battery charger for your

(03:54):
cordless batteries, that would actually be I think quite useful.
So anyway, if that's a feature, just text me and
let me know if you're using it and if it's
actually very useful or will it run the toasted sandwich maker?
That's probably even more important. On a building site radio,
let's talk all things building construction. It's fairly topical at

(04:14):
the moment. There's lots of changes, lots of debate, lots
of discussion, and actually just in the we got talking
the other week a little bit about waste and recycling
and the fact that there's no way to hide the
figures right construction demolition, waste contributes way over it's sort
of portion of the economy. Let's say, our contribution to landfill,

(04:37):
to the amount of material that goes to landfill is
far beyond the scale of the industry, and I think
something needs to be done. Then in the story, a
moment ago on the news actually at six o'clock was
about this great battery hunt. We might talk about that
later on as well, in terms of how many batteries
do you have floating around the house of all sorts,

(05:00):
and what do you do with them when they die?
Where do you take them for disposal? And a you
consider it about it or do you seemingly, like many
many other people, throw them in the general waste bin.
They go into the back of a truck and cause fires,
which I saw the other day driving just an early
morning meeting. Truck parked up on the side of the

(05:22):
road on a little patch of reserve about to tip
out its load, with fire brigade standing right there next
to them. And nine times probably ninety nine times out
of one hundred, it's because there's a lithium ion battery
that's been thrown into the general waste. It breaks or
gets damaged and causes a fire. Apparently rubbish truck fires

(05:43):
are now almost a weekly occurrence, so we can do better.
I'm sure any of wastemans are running this battery hunt
thing which I just heard about now, which is interesting. Right,
let's get back to the business at hand. Though. We're
talking building, construction, renovating rules and regulations, maybe new products,
new ideas as well. If there's something that you've come

(06:03):
across and you go, oh shivers, that looks really interesting,
I wonder if it's going to work or we can
talk about that on the show this morning as well.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine two
or Pete at Newstalk SEDB, dot co, dot NZI. And
also really looking forward to Root this after or this
morning on the program because he's going to be he's

(06:25):
in Auckland, he's up here and he's going to come
into the studio and I'm really really looking forward to
catching up with Rud in person here at newstalks 'b
on a Monday or Sunday, Sunday morning of daylight saving.
Let's get into it. William, good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Greetings William, good morning.

Speaker 7 (06:47):
How are you this morning?

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, very well, thank you and yourself.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
Good good win for the avs.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, I was driving, so I had it on the radio,
which is actually quite a good way of getting a commentary,
I think from pie.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
I go for it. Sorry, have a particular particular problem,
but I just wanted to get your take on why
is it we can't build apartments and houses in this country?
St Mark's the latest leaking membrane roofs, leaking podium car

(07:21):
parks leaving four buggers, and Saint Luke's two hundred and
forty apartments of three hundred million dollar a medial. I mean,
even where you drive around Organ there's plastic area. Where
why is it we can't build buildings in New Seva.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
The good thing about asking question like that is you've
asked it right at the beginning, so we could talk
to late thirty right about what it is. And yeah,
there's I think sometimes unfortunately so much of the discussion
becomes tries to be really simplistic, right, so people will

(08:00):
point to a particular clouding or a lack of eves
or the introduction of treated timber, or the end of
the apprenticeship scheme. That's one of the things that has
been pointed out because I keep reading about this, and
I guess we're talking about, you know, twenty five years

(08:21):
past the worst of that time roughly.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
But it's still interrupted, it's still going on. We gotn't
resolve it. And then to add salt to injury, some
of these construction individuals put themselves of a voluntary liquidation
and just walk away.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Yep, Yeah, there's no denying that, right. I mean, I
based on my experience it's over the last teen twelve
years or so of doing supervising a fair number of
new builds, and I look at, I suppose the detail
that's on the plan. I look at the building methodology

(09:06):
in terms of cavities and overhangs, and even simple things
like the introduction of a risk matrix, right that at
least alerts someone to if you're going to build something
that's not fairly conventional, if it's too storied, if it's
got no eaves, or if it's got small eaves, or
if it's a high wind zone. Those sorts of things,

(09:27):
then the risk of the building leaking are higher, and
then what are you going to do about that? And
there's a corresponding set of measures to go. Okay, well,
I mean almost every single building these days is on
a cavity, for example. So we've recognized the fact that
in many cases, almost all cladding types might have the

(09:48):
opportunity for water to get through. And if that does,
what can we do to protect the framing the structure
of the building. Well, let's put a cavity on and
that allows for drainage. It also allows for ventilation and
for drying. Right, so if we do have some water
getting past that initial layer of the cladding, it won't
impact the actual building, the fabric of the building. So

(10:10):
you look at that and go, you've got to work
pretty hard to build something now that's going to cause
you problems in the future. But at the same time,
some poor building methodology, some people not reading the plans,
and you know it's in the public record now, right
that your discussion about the Saint Mark's building, it would

(10:31):
seem that there was a product substitution, that the way
in which certain parts of the roofing elements were assembled
was not as per the plan, and bingo, you've got
a problem. What five six years later, ten years later,
seven years later, I think it is.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
So. The other thing is what about the responsibility of
councils to make sure that the eyes and the teas
are being crossed? Is there a lack of expertise there?

Speaker 6 (11:03):
Look, my own experience, and I say this quite genuinely,
is for ninety nine percent of the council inspectors that
I've engaged with, let's say, over the last ten or
twelve years, have been well informed, reasoned, experienced and so on. Right,

(11:24):
It's probably not like it was when I first started building,
you know, thirty plus years ago, where there seemed to
be how do I put this, there was a bit
more flexibility, right, So you'd have a discussion with the
building inspector, you'd both agree on a process and go

(11:45):
ahead and do it. Whereas you know today, if there's
even minor changes, there's minor variations or amendments, And I
guess there's more in adherence to the plans, and that
shouldn't be a bad thing, but sometimes, you know, I
always found that there was kind of, by agreement, a
way for both of us to work out a problem

(12:06):
that didn't involve resubmitting plans. Blah blah blah blah blah.
But no, look, I think, yes, there are always going
to be new people joining the sector who have to
learn a few things, and there'll always be old guys
like you and I standing there going well, they're not
as good as I was in my day, and blah
blah blah. But in general I've found that the inspectors

(12:28):
have been good, they've been informed. The level of qualification
and training now for council inspectors is you know, it's
again it's actually fairly significant. So but can you know
the other I think to be fair to inspectors as well,
they're not there to actually comment on workmanship, right, so

(12:49):
they're there to look at building code compliant. So if
something complies with the building code, then they'll pass it.
If it's not terribly well done but still compliant, that
it's not their job to do building quality.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You know.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
In that sense, you do wonder whether maybe the missing
part is you know, if you were if you were
a client, right, if you decided, right, I'm going to
get a builder to build me a house, right, and
how would you go about ensuring that it was done

(13:30):
to a quality that you would be happy with.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
As a layman, I'd be very much reliant on counsel
making sure that what was being built was was to
code and there wasn't any shoddy workmanship, to be honest.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
See, and I don't know that that's counsel's job. It
would be nice to think that it is, and but
I don't know that that's like, that's actually not their
remit now, and you could maybe make an argument to
say that it should be. And I've got a tread
just very slightly carefully right. So I know some people

(14:14):
who recently moved into a brand new house. It's in
a nice part of town. It seems to be a
really nice house. But in the now that they're in
the house, right, they are the first owners of this
new build. In fact, now that I mentioned that, I
know of another case or another situation that I was

(14:35):
personally involved in where someone was about to move into
a new home and they just got a sense that
it wasn't maybe put together as good as it should be,
and they contacted me and said, look, I've just got
the sense that things are not right, and could I
And it was kind of like a reality check. This

(14:57):
person actually knew quite a lot about building because they're
in the trades, not just not carpentry. And so I
went there actually on a Sunday because I didn't want
to turn up during the week, and had a look
around the house and went, yeah, look, I think some
things are within an acceptable standard, but other things aren't right.
And these are the things that I would comment on now.

(15:18):
The house was built by a building company. It was
not a cheap build, it wasn't a knock them up
and run away type build. But there was some significant,
well reasonably significant things that I pointed out that I said,
you know, to be fair, I think they've let you
down here. And so I've got these two cases in

(15:38):
the last twelve months or so where people have moved
into brand new houses and have been disappointed with the quality.
To your comment, right, how do we know that we're
not doing this again? They're both building code compliant now,
they're both done by seemingly reputable builders, but the quality
on both of them is not to the expectation of

(16:00):
the owner. So how do you solve that problem? That's
my question to you.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
Now.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
And I wouldn't and don't I wouldn't rely on council
inspectors for that because I just don't think it's their job.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Well, if you move into the apartments low and higher rise,
they all seem to be leaving again.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Like I know, I probably know more people that live
in apartments that don't have a problem than I do
with ones that do. And unfortunately, what happens is when
they do go wrong, the remedial costs, as in that
Saint Luke's apartment block right are those sorts of costs

(16:50):
are almost impossible to control, right, and everyone is so
risk averse when it comes to offering up solutions and
undertaking the work that costs blow out massively. In fact,
I was talking to someone yesterday who bought a building
that was built around the time that we're discussing, knew

(17:11):
that there were some issues, got some costing to say
it's going to be about seven hundred thousand dollars to
remediate it, which they wanted to make some changes they
were happy with that ended up spending one point four
So but it does raise a really good question if

(17:34):
you're building from you and you're going to you know,
either a small you know, the classic man and a
van and a dog builder. And I don't say that
derogatory because that was me right, Or you're going through
a group home company and that sort of thing. If
you're a client having someone build new how do you

(17:55):
know that it's actually well built? And who can you
rely on? So I think it's a great quality. I
didn't even know we were going to ask that question today,
but you've prompted me to think about that.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
Yeah, well, I thought it'd be a good way to start.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Oh, it's a great way to start. And I do
think too. I think it's important to say that. You know, again,
the vast majority of buildings that I see being constructed today,
they are much more robust and have better design, better systems,

(18:36):
and should have better outcomes than when we were building
back then. Because look, I can remember, you know, as
a fairly young chippy putting up framing bit of building
paper fiber cement sheet fixed straight to it, and someone
would come along kind of stop the joints, spray some
stuff over the top. Job done, right now? Is that
going to leak?

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Probably?

Speaker 6 (18:59):
And they did, you know, and certainly I've been back.
I remember there was one job that I did a
long time ago which was a polystyrene direct fix, which
when I drove past it the other day, just out
of curiosity, I noticed they'd removed that and replaced it
with weather boards. But then, I mean, there's so many

(19:23):
stories with this. Then I know someone who has that
classic monolithic cladding on the exterior of the building. They
did it themselves. They one hundred percent, No, it doesn't leak.
They've tested it because they did it. They did all
the right flashings, et cetera, et cetera, and yet just
to meet the market in order to resell the building,

(19:45):
they ended up ripping that off and replacing with cladding.
No need to, but that's exactly what they did. Really
appreciate the call, and I think you've left me with
a great question actually, which is, if you are going
to build new how do you ensure quality. I'm not
saying you won't get get it, but how do you

(20:07):
ensure quality? And who would you use to do that?
There's a question for you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It is twenty six
minutes after six, William, Thank you for getting us started today.
If you've got a question of a building nature, call
us now. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten.

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Speaker 6 (21:43):
Very good text.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
PETE.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Is quality a purely subjective thing or can it actually
be specified in a lot more detail? Yes, it can,
So in the standards, there's a guide to sort of
acceptable tolerances and it's all set out in standards. So
for example, a wall is allowed to be and I'd

(22:05):
have to go back and check it out out, but
you know, ideally a wall should be plumb right, the
bottom plate and the top plate should be exactly above
each other. But there is a tolerance. It might be,
for argument's sake, six or seven millimeters over a two
point four stud that's an acceptable tolerance. In terms of

(22:27):
the actual definitions around what's you know, what's correct, what's
a proper building look like. There's things like looking at defects.
So for example, if you have a house that's weatherboard,
for example, and the weatherboards are fixed and the holes
are stopped and then they're sanded and painted over, if

(22:49):
you stand one foot away from the weatherboard with your
best reading glasses on, and notice that there is a
one millimeter divot in the filler on the nail hole,
Is that a defect? No, probably not, because the guidances
that are defects visible from I think it's something like

(23:11):
three meters, Like, are they visible to the naked eye
from three meters? Then it becomes a defect. So the
short answer is quality purely a subjective thing? No, it's not.
Can it actually be specified in a lot more detail?
Yes it can, and the details are there. So again,
it's one of those things that if you're having, let's say,
a discussion with your builder or an argument with your

(23:32):
builder around the quality of the build, you can actually
go to the standards and go, hey, look, I've noticed
that when I put a level on this wall that
the wall is out of plum by more than an
acceptable amount. Ideally it shouldn't be out of plumb at all.
But these things I was going to say, these things

(23:52):
do happen. It sounds like I'm making excuse for it. Yeah,
ideally it shouldn't be. But there is an acceptable tolerance.
So no, it's not completely subjective. There is an objective
measure of tolerance and guidance around that. So there you go. Oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Well, Peter, whose
job is to ensure the quality to build. If you

(24:14):
ask a builder, they'll say that they've followed the code,
but finishing quality is very poor. In fact, new homes
have leaked. I agree now Minister Penk wants self certification.
God help us all from jerror. A lot of discussion
at the moment around you know, the possible Actually, there
was a big article I think yesterday day before in

(24:36):
the paper around self certification. This is an option that's
been proposed to let's a larger, more substantial group home builders,
possibly those with the resources and the insurances in place
that will say, okay, well, if you're doing the same

(24:56):
thing over and over again, and it's in a sense
relatively straightforward, maybe you'll be able to sign off the
work as long as you have some provision to be
there to pick up the pieces at the end. You
happy to take your comments on exactly that is this

(25:16):
going to be a really good thing or is it
going to be a problem. Just so that we don't
get the wrong end of the stick my comments, and
this was a discussion that I happened to have with
someone that I bumped into yesterday. You can imagine that
I have lots of these sorts of discussions when I'm
about typically, which I really enjoy. And so the discussion was, look,

(25:37):
we bought a house, which I funnily enough, I actually
knew it before they bought it, and then it happened
to be that I'd been through it at the time,
so I had a rough idea of what it was like.
I thought that there might have been some issues. They
bought it knowing that there were going to be some issues,
thankfully set about making some changes. The cost was estimated,

(26:00):
let's say it was about seven or eight hundred thousand
dollars to make not just the changes to the cladding,
but also they wanted to realign interior petitions and update
fittings and so on. So a portion of that budget
was always going to be improvements, and a portion of
it was going to be essential remedial repairs to fix

(26:22):
leaky cladding. But in the end they ended up spending
almost double that amount. They were happy with it, by
the way, but you know, in some cases people don't
have the resources to do that, and that would impose
an enormous burden on people. And certainly over the years,
I've seen plenty of families and individuals whose lives have

(26:43):
just been turned upside down at the fact that they've
ended up buying something that's required significant amount of repair
resources that they just don't have, and they end up
walking away from the property basically either in debt or
having made nothing, or not even getting their initial investment
in the property back. And that has been devastating for hundreds,

(27:05):
possibly that of Kiwis over the last twenty five years.
Your thoughts eight hundred eighty ten eighty The lines are open,
the number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty eleven
the text as well. We'll get onto the transportables in
just a moment. Insurance is a key component in insuring
quality and quality issues. There's a bit more to unpacking
that because, to be blunt, there's actually not that many

(27:28):
genuine insurance policies out there for building. So if you
want to give me a call, be happy to chat
about that as well. Six thirty six here at news
Talk ZB doing up the.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
House, storting the garden, asked Pete for a hand the
resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
ZEDB interesting just he's a text from someone had self
certification on a substantial EQC repair in christ Church. Everything
went fine, had the engineer sign it off. That's from Neil,
Thanks for that. And again I made the comment just
before the break from Texter who said insurance is a

(28:09):
key component in insurance quality and quality issues.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
But to the best of my knowledge, the only genuine
insurance policy for new builds or for building work it's
offered by one company in New Zealand, and there are
strict criteria in terms of being able to get that

(28:36):
policy attached to a new build. So I agree with you,
but I think let's not presume that that's widely available.
You could argue that it should be, but right now
it's not. Allan good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
My question is our fire scrapes boas to be on
two story builders? No, nor are they on three story buildings. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
I noticed.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
We had a fire, and I'll tell you what happened.
The gas was going, guess Dave was going. The wind
blew the stave out. No one realized that right out.

(29:38):
Someone come in and let let it.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
And Bom.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Raced out the door, caught the curtains and the drapes
on fire. The cat's burnt well, the smoke goes upstairs,
the kids upstairs can't get out because of all the smoke,
and yeah, top six smoke. If we have a where

(30:10):
he had some good neighbors at the time, there wasn't
to the neighbors been a big different story.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Sure, sure, and look ellen, when I say no, you
don't need a fire escape or anything like that, that's
not to say that new buildings of two stories and
three stories there isn't consideration around design for what happens
in the event that there's a fire. So for some

(30:38):
of the sort of three story buildings that I've been
involved with with the last couple of years, I've actually
seen on the drawings and discussed with the designers the
way in which they have to comply, let's say, with
fire safety regulations. So, for example, there's there's information about
there's there's a thing in there around the length. There's

(31:02):
a distance from a habitable space to an exit door,
which is specific distance, and if the building is within
that and it's something like seventy six meters, right, might
even be less than that. No, seventy six meters is
the length from where a fire engine will stand to
a potential habitable space. That might you might need to

(31:24):
get a fire hose too, And then there's other code
requirements in terms of egress from a building in the
event of fire, and there's very very specific measurements around
all of these things, so you know, new RB builds
will have been built having to comply with those regulations.

(31:44):
The other really really interesting thing, and I must get
someone on to talk about this, is there's been a
change in the building code recently where smoke detectors and
fire alarms no. Smoke detectors in residential buildings will now
need to be interlinked, so they'll need to be connected

(32:04):
to each other because obviously, as we move to more
double story and three story buildings, having let's say a
smoke detector downstairs near the kitchen that might have picked
up on a fire like the one that your family experience,
may not alert someone on the top floor having an
afternoon snooze that there's a fire down below, in which case,

(32:28):
by the time that they might have again in your
family situation, smelt smoke or been aware to it, or
been alerted by a neighbor, the fire will be more
fully involved. So from now on, all smoke detectors will
need to be interlinked so if one goes off, they
all go off. And I think that's actually going to
be a really good thing.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
We had four smoke alarms. You could hardly hear yourself
talk other thing squawking really rock the neighbors out. They
grabbed the fire their hose.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, amazing, And.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, one person upstairs.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Opened the window and the neighbor chucked the fire hose upstairs.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
And can I ask you, maybe a rather delicate question,
the person who was upstairs, do you feel that there
was no other way of safely exiting the building?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
No, there wasn't. Wow, they had to go downstairs. You've
had to go downstairs to get out the door. There
was two doors downstairs, but that was it.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
And it wasn't like a landing on the What was
a two story building?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It was a flat, yeah, two storied.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, and yeah, the neighbors coming from both sides. Yeah, yeah.
The there was a door at the end and a
door on the side. And the person upstairs yell that

(34:21):
the person they chucked the hose up their hoes up
and they run it over and did it had a
hand the nozzle part. It's reasonably heavy. And I checked
it up and she caught it and and yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
But then.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Because you know, before people get the impression that this
is what you should do. And it worked for you guys,
and I'm sure you're incredibly thankful for that, you know.
I'm sure that anyone from friends listening would say the
advices don't try and fight it, get out right or
or you know, get out but didn't. Yeah, I know,
I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.

(35:05):
I I just don't want to give an impression that
this is something that will work in all cases. It
might work in some, but all of the advices if
there's a fire, get out right, you know, get out
and stay out. I think as.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
The the person that lit the stage.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Yeah, oh hey, look, that's truly you terrifying. And I'm
sure it's not uncommon. I mean that happens from time
to time, isn't it. You know, maybe the gas fire
goes out, or the gas hob goes out, you don't
notice or look. I think I've been guilty of it
myself one time, certainly had another sort of near care

(35:47):
or near miss like that myself. But allan just to
reassure you and anyone else who might be listening. It's
not like buildings today of two and three stories or
any building gets designed without some consideration to fire safety.
And again, when I was supervising these particular bills, it
was quite interesting to see the detail of design, the

(36:10):
level of detail of design around distances, egress, how long
it might take someone, what the possible other exits are.
So there is consideration too fire safety in our designs,
which is great. But I think what's really exciting I
personally think is the interlinked smoke alarms. I think that's
a really sensible change to the building code to require

(36:33):
interlinked smoke alarms, but it kind of hasn't had a
lot of publicity, So I think there's an opportunity for
me to maybe reach out to Fens or someone like
that and get some decent advice on that. I'll keep
you up to date. Coming up to eleven minutes after seven,
Yes it is eleven minutes to seven. Clocks have gone forward.
We're into daylight saving.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call back after the break.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
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Speaker 6 (37:05):
B Button Harder, Hey, Pete Wellpen whose job is it
to ensure the quality of the build? If you ask
the builder, they'll say that they followed the code but
finish and po yeah, is very poor. In fact, new
homes have leaked. Now the minister wants self certification. So
I'm really interested in that one. I like that text
from Gerard on that one. Someone, Yeah, I'm sure about

(37:35):
that text. I might come back to that bit later on.
If you've got a text that you'd like to set
well by all means, it's nine two ninety two, or
if you'd like to give us a call, it's oh,
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Speaker 9 (37:48):
Morning, Yes, good morning. It's just about the leaky building situation.
I lived in Canada in the in the seventies and
they had leaky building situation there in the early part
of the seventies. And they in fact, they had whole
suburbs that had tar pole and over them because of
the leaky building. And they used to call them tap

(38:10):
hole at type cities and it was and they solved
the problem.

Speaker 10 (38:15):
Now it's a pity that someone can't do a research
to find out what they did as far as builders requirement.
So one of the things I know that they did
was that every builder had to guarantee the product for
ten years. Their house could not be their house had
to be in their name. It could not be put
in the wife's name. So there was any problem, you

(38:36):
could go back and sue the builder. And he had
a house at stake, so his own property. If he
was a building company, he still had to put his
house up as guarantee for his product. And there was
and you would have to go to someone like the
Internal affairs to find out about it. It'd be worth
while doing some research. And it was all linked in

(38:59):
to insurance policies because there was a situation where it
was so watertime to the guarantees the insurance companies would
take up, would would sign up policies for builders. You
had to be a license builder, You could not be
a fly by nighter, and anyone that wanting to build
a house could could was guaranteed. The fact that the

(39:22):
builder was a qualified builder, had done his time, and
that there was uh funds available via the via the
guarantee to rectify any and all problems. And I take
the attitude that my check doesn't balance when I pay
for something, so why should someone's work bounce? And that

(39:43):
was the premise for the warranties and the guarantees. And
here we've got a situation where there's self certification. They
wouldn't have that with the bull's roar in Canada, especially
in Vancouver, a British company where the problem started. We
were skating over this problem and it's going to surface

(40:04):
time and time and time again until there's some sort
of system that was embraces the Canadian system and they've
solved their problem.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
I can assume you've every single day a lot of
I know a lot of people. I know of a
lot of people that went or have done the research
based on the Canadian experience. And I think what some
of what you've discussed has come into New Zealand as
a result perhaps of research that's come from the Canadian experience,

(40:36):
because lots of building professionals here were aware of what
had happened in Canada. Lots of people went to look
at the situation there and some of those things around qualification,
so that the LBP system, for example, that's here at
the moment, which is restricted building work can only be
done or supervised by a licensed building practitioner, is in
a direct result to some of those failures that we experienced,

(40:59):
and possibly based on the experience of the Canadians as well,
and many other things as well. I'm intrigued though, to
talk bit more about the insurance because people are talking
about it as if it's there and available right now,
and it sort of is, but only in a very
limited sense. So I know there's increasing disquiet, let's say,

(41:21):
around the insurance back after the break.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
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Speaker 6 (41:32):
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things building in construction. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is seven, six
minutes after seven. Yes, we're into daylight saving, so let's
crack into it. For many, many years in the studio,
actually there was in this particular studio there was an
analog clock, good old fashioned clock, and obviously, being the

(41:56):
first person to arrive here after daylight saving, I took
it upon myself to risk life and limb by standing
on a swiftly desk chair, reaching out, taking the clock down,
adjusting the time, putting it back up again. We now
have a digital clock or digital display for an analog clock,
so I don't have to do that anymore. Should I

(42:19):
kind of miss to be fair? Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, and Craig,
very good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (42:29):
I remember stories, my stories from gym and overnight saying
that Peter is going to get up.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
On a chair and fall off.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
It was always my job.

Speaker 11 (42:37):
I don't know why, anyway, I was picturing your building
up a little mobile scaffolding right there and sort of
get into all corned off and then climb up there.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
And you know, I mean, if you're going to climb
any sort of chair, you don't want to climb a
swiftly office chair. But I balanced like a ballerina and
I was absolutely fine, Thank you very much. Right over,
I'll talk about smych alarms.

Speaker 11 (43:01):
And yeah, I've worked and run my own company for
many years doing alarms and stuff in that and all.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
The jobs we do. We always I always include.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
Smoke detickers into the quote for a security lane because
it's just extra protection plus is also actually backed up
and stuff like that. But what I was going to
say was we also have done the past. There's a
couple of other companies I think from Memories, PDL or
they do a smoke detcktor that runs off two forty,
but you link them all together and serious with a
bit of cheap is from one to.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
The other and you all go wolf.

Speaker 11 (43:29):
But then the other one I've just started using recently
is a brand called Orca, which are all bluetooth smoke
stickers right Master one Master the one you set up
set up as masters, and you basically just linker all
the other ones together, so they're really easy to set up,
and then they're really good for places they don't have
any wiring because you don't really want to bull part
people's ceilings and all that. But they're really really good

(43:50):
because they can put them from obviously the basement. But
we use them a couple of times recently for garages
the houses. They have an attached garage because you know
you might have something smoldering away and they're like a
draw or well something in.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
The tree on the charge or something like that.

Speaker 11 (44:06):
Are whether as or a tauser or something like that,
and you're not going to know until it burns through
the internal war So yeah, we've been in quite a fether,
but yeah, I think it's an ORCA brand. Yeah, Orca,
and we get it from one of our supplies. But okay,
from pretty soon you get them from a lot of
the local electrical hole stalers are trying to sell them
as well, because.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
Like, so, what's happened is Imby have announced new versions
of the acceptable solutions around fire right. So it's basically
that a type one smoke alarm is now defined as
a smoke alarm or multiple interconnected smoke alarm devices, each
containing a smoke detector and an alarm feature, and it

(44:48):
must be interconnected, which you can achieve, like you say,
through bluetooth in some situations. So even in a new build,
you don't necessarily have to hardwire them in. But I
can see the advantage perhaps in a new build where
you have the opportunity of running that cabling to do
exactly that. And I guess in a new build, if
you're doing it, you could also have one that's on

(45:09):
you know, two forty vaults, so you're not like at
the moment, the encouragement is it's daylight saving. Now it's
time to check your smoke detectors, right, and if you're
still running the sort of slightly older fashioned ones which
are absolutely fine with a battery that might last a
year or two years, and yeah, now is a really
good time. I mean, most of the ones that I've
installed recently have a lithium battery in them that will

(45:32):
last at least ten years for example.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (45:38):
Yeah, all the ones we installed only are we just
put them on a arm panels. They just make making
managery every arms. And we do use smoke detectors, it's
just for the main reason it gives you protection. Pass Also,
if you're away from home at lest you're going to
get a notification on your phone and something smoldering before
your house burns down. Yeah, which all is another advantage.
But then we also when we're doing kitchens and stuff

(45:59):
like that, we install not a smoke deck, but we install.

Speaker 7 (46:02):
A heat pad.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
Yes, so they trigger from say that you can safely
have those in the y and they're not going to
go by smoke, but if something gets fairly warm it
triggers them. Yeah, we use seatpeds and kitchens and also
in garages when they've got cars and stuff, so if
there's something smoldering, it's not going to be detected all
the time by smoke topeper and go to the point
where people disconnect them. Yes, that's yeah, but you've got

(46:24):
to be careful, especially with multiple places. I mean, if,
as you say, if you're on the top story and
something burning in your basement, you're not really going to know,
You're not going.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
To know a lot of it going to be Hence,
I think a change like this is actually really sensible,
really practical, and particularly is you know, the type of
houses that we live in and are going to be
living in more likely in the future, are often multi
story and three stories is not going to become uncommon.
So you know, if your egress is out through the

(46:54):
ground floor and a fire starts on the ground floor
and you don't know about it until much later because
you haven't heard the smoke alarm, then I think having
an interconnected one in those in all houses, but in
those sorts of houses in particular, makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 11 (47:11):
We've even done ones with vibrating units to go inside pillows.
Who has had a couple of times death, Okay, we'll
put vibrators in the pillows cook up, the alarmsist and
as soon the fire goes off, it vibrates the pillow
to wake them up. Wow, well, you just got to
be I mean, you've got to be.

Speaker 12 (47:26):
Well.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
No, it makes sense.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
I mean it feels someone who has hearing loss for
whatever reason, through age or whatever. Then yeah, again, I
just briefly, I had a situation. This is at home right.
This was a number of years ago, when our sun
was quite small and he was having an afternoon nap.
I was pottering around the house doing a few things.

(47:49):
I was cleaning up in the kitchen. I had a big,
old cast iron pot that I'd washed out. I popped
it on the oven on the stove gas stove to
just heat it up. I put some oil, and I
was just cleaning right, doing chores around the house. And
then I got distracted and I wandered off right and
I don't know, a minute or so later, it had

(48:11):
started to smoke, which set off the smoke detector. Thankfully,
I went figured that out, went and turned off the alarms,
and I checked on our little guy and he was
still fast asleep. Now that might say something about kids
having asleep and they're you know, deaf to everything, but
it was It was also kind of a moment where

(48:31):
I went, wow, okay, so yeah, the smoke alarms going off,
but it didn't rouse him. And I you know, I
mean I sleep fairly soundly too. I wonder whether I'd
be roused by a smoke alarm in the middle of
the night. But anyway, certainly a moment that makes you
think for just a second.

Speaker 11 (48:49):
Yeah, that's one of the things we always ask people
when I'm doing them for my own company, when doing
instlation of justin, is there any death people in the house?
And not no, offend them. They go, oh, my son
was deaf or whatever. Okay, so it doesn't cost a lot.
We just include a vibrating thing under the mattress with
their room. So just give them bit of warning because
it doesn't cost much and if it saves a life,
it's worth it.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
So and I think you're right too. I mean, yeah,
I mean, I know lots of people that need hearing
aids in order to be part of conversations and so on,
and typically when you go to bed at night you
take those out right, So does that put you in
a position where if a smoke detector went off that
you might not hear it because your hearing aids are

(49:31):
charging overnight. So it's a really good point. I didn't
know that that was available. That's interesting.

Speaker 11 (49:36):
Yeah, you can get them through. We got out through
the Deaf Association. They bring them in for people as well.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
But it's brilliant.

Speaker 11 (49:41):
It didn't cost a lot of money. But it's just
reassurance for like just being for our customers. We just
make sure that we've done our best to protect the people.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Yeah, but let's remember and I think fans are fire
an emergency in New Zealand are hot on this is
that pardon the pun, that's a terrible pun, but almost
I think in recent times there's not been a death
in a house with operable fire. So that's the most
basic thing. Make sure you've got them and make sure

(50:11):
they work. It's as simple as that. Craig, thank you
very much, great insight. Really appreciate it. Have a good day,
Take care. So one of the things we're talking about
is changes and they're not super recent changes now, it's
been around a little while that smoke detectors in new builds,
so to comply with the building code today need to
be interconnected. So the regulations have always been you need

(50:35):
to have one. I think it's within three meters or
three meters of bedroom and inhabitable space. And increasingly I've
noticed that more and more people are putting them basically
in each bedroom in a hallway near egress points, those
sorts of things. But now they need to be interconnected.

(50:56):
When one goes off, they all go off. And I
think it's actually a really sensible thing. You may care
to comment. We're talking leaky buildings, we're talking fire safety.
On the program, I mentioned the story that was running
during our six am bulletin wastements, which is kind of
an organization set up to, as you can imagine, minimize
the amount of waste. Are encouraging people to have a

(51:17):
look around and see how many batteries are in their
house in terms of ones that you don't use, and
what do you do with them if you if they've
reached the end of their life, as they inevitably do
unless they're rechargeables, but even those die eventually, what do
you do do you? Are you conscious of how you
dispose of them? Take your calls on that as well.

(51:37):
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CB a text sorry that I missed a little while ago.
Where my roof and celling meets the gutters, it's really
low in theft. How do I get a fan an
extraction tube put into my bathroom? At the very least,

(53:30):
Typically there's about one hundred millimeter gap between the top
of the top plate and the underside of the perlin.
So if you've got reasonably conventional conventional building, you'll have
the top plate, maybe a plate packer. Then you'll have
a truss that sits on top of it. Bottom cord
of the trust typically is made out of ninety by

(53:51):
forty five material, and then even where it comes down
to that sort of pinch point above the top plate,
there will still be one hundred mil gap. Now, what
doesn't work particularly well is taking you one hundred and
fifty mil ducting round ducting along and then squishing it
to get through that gap. So what I did myself
just recently is I got some ducting, which is two

(54:15):
twenty by sixty five. I think off memory rectangular ducting,
which you can buy an adapter from that profile to
round and so I ran my one fifty milimeter a
ducting along through the ceiling space and where I hit
the top plate, I then transferred across to this rectangular

(54:35):
section and I had an adapter from round to rectangular.
Then I had a section of that rectangular that went
over the top plate through that space there, and then
I ended up coming out through the sefit in that
rectangular profile. What I did to be blunt. What I
did find a little bit challenging was finding a grill

(54:57):
that happened to meet that profile. But because I'd taken
out my old extractor fan, I used that cut a
rectangular grill, made a little trim around it. You know,
it all worked. So yeah, Ideally you don't want to
be crushing adducting if you don't have much space to
get out. You need to have the correct volume all

(55:18):
the way along or use an adapter and swapped a
different profile. But there are Solutions without a doubt got
some information about the smoke alarms and the new legal requirements.
Has had quick look at the brand's sort of guidance
on this, so I'll bring that to you in just
a moment. There's a few other interesting details around the
new requirements for smoke alarms. When I say new came

(55:39):
into effect November twenty twenty four, so you know we're
almost twelve months into this. Katrina, good morning, Good morning.
How are you thing. I'm very well.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
How are you good?

Speaker 13 (55:51):
Thank you? How think you can help me with a
situation I have Yep, we have long run calor Siel
planning on the side of our house. It's vertical, yep.
And it's a clebizoidal profile with about a city moll peak. Yeah,
and it's installed installed in the cavity. And during our

(56:13):
final infection the other day, thet said to me, we
need to do a lemon proof proofing above the window heads, right.
So I have been looking all over for a detail
of that because it's not something it was in the
original specification. I cannot find such a detail. I contacted

(56:38):
a technical advisor at one of the bigger cladding suppliers.
It said to me, you can stick a foam closer
to the front of the cavity, closer above the peak.
The only thing is this has not all been installed already.

(57:00):
Getting to that closer that means I have to take
off all the clouding, which is going to of course
cost me a bit of money if we knew about it,
which we would have done it. So firstly, is it
really a thing since I couldn't find any detail of
it anywhere, And secondly, if it is, is there a

(57:21):
way of doing it without removing the clouding?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Yes? So yes, and yes it is something that I'm
familiar with because I was part of a build last
year year before where we were using In fact, it
was a similar profile I think. So it's sort of
trapezoidal type profile of long run iron as exterior cladding.

(57:46):
I have to say I quite like it as an
exterior clouding, so good on you for doing that. And
then it did get packed up at final inspection. Same thing.
So inspectors said, hang on, there's no vermin strip there,
and I'm thinking, hang on, this is above a window
on the second floor. If we're talking about vermin, you're

(58:08):
saying to me that a mouse wants to climb up
the exterior of the cladding, walk its way along the
head flashing and then go into the building envelope or
into the cavity from there. I mean, like I do
get doing it on the bottom because obviously there's potential

(58:28):
there because it's quite a big gap, right, And I
mean mice don't need much of a gap, so thirty
or forty milimeter gap, there's plenty of room for them
to get in, right. But you know, from a practical
point of view, I'm looking at a even a window
at two meters off the ground, right, you know, are
you really expecting that mice is going to crawl up

(58:50):
the outside of the cladding and in through that? But
either way, you don't typically win those arguments with council.
So yes, there is typically all of the roofing manufacturers
will have available a foam. Basically it stops wind pushing
rain up underneath the flashing, right, so you can put

(59:11):
those in. You don't need to remove all of the
cladding in order to install that. What we found was
that we could get the roofers back with the guys
who were doing the cladding installation simply back off the
screw so that because in the end, you only need
like a three or four milimeter gap to get that
material up, and just once you've backed the screws off,

(59:33):
you can pull the sheet forward, slide the foam up
until it's sitting on front of the baten that the
roofing is fixed to or the cladding material is fixed to,
and then you simply fasten the screws again. So I
don't believe that you will need to remove all of
the cladding, but you'll need to get back to it,
and chances are the scaffolding's gone and all the rest

(59:55):
of it, so it is, yeah, a bit of a pain.
The other thing is, I guess you'd want to have
a fairly decent discussion with the people that installed the
cladding to go, so did you know about this and
should you have done it at the time, because it's
obviously something that's been picked up on final inspections quite
a bit over the last year or two years, in

(01:00:18):
which case if the people doing the cladding are doing
lots of it, then they would have been alerted to
this in the past and perhaps should have told.

Speaker 14 (01:00:27):
You, yeah, well, professional, look at this, and three of
the four didn't pick up anything, and any the force.
Now that that's right, Thank you very much for your.

Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Look, you know, if that's the last thing that's on
your list to get final inspection signed off and then
get underway with code compliance, I think you best just
crack into it, get it done and get that final
inspection signed off. Good luck. All right to chat with
you bother them.

Speaker 13 (01:01:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
I mean you can try and argue with counsel about well,
if it's not on the bill in consent and you
consented it, then why are you making me do it now?
But typically those arguments don't end particularly well in my experience.
They tend. Inspectors tend to just say, look, you know
you have to do it, and if we missed it
at the consenting stage, well now I've picked it up.

(01:01:23):
You should be grateful for that. Basically, oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Yeah,
this is an interesting one.

Speaker 15 (01:01:32):
Peak.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
You also have the stupid compliance requirement. Their words, not mine,
that upstairs windows have to have stays. How do you
get out of the if there is a fire at
the stairs From David and yeah, you point out an
obvious dilemma. Let's say that increasingly windows well Actually, this

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is an interesting one because not all windows require a stay.
It's only it requires a stay if the sill is
less than seven hundred and sixty millimeters from the ground,
which provides a danger for falling out. Some inspectors will say, well, look,
someone could put a chair in front of the window
and then climb out, in which case we want you

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to put a restrictor stay on the window that reduces
the gap to one hundred millimeters. But in some instances,
some windows don't require a restricted stay as far as
I am aware, in which case you could get out.
But yeah, if the window happens to be a bit
lower and it's of a certain size, then yes, you're

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putting a restricted stay in, which might prevent egress in
the event of a fire. I'm not sure what the
answer to that is. To be fair, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got
a question or a text, Feel free to send them through.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? Another quick
text before the break, Hey Pete, I keep all my

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used batteries and a small container and dispose of them
at my hearing aid varieder, which is pretty good. There
are a couple of people like abilities group. Even after
the fire, They've got back on their feet, which is amazing.
My ten I noticed do some battery recycling and your

(01:03:17):
local recycling center. I've all have stopped accepting batteries, which
I assume is due to the fire risk of storing them. Interesting.
I assume there's also a fire risk with storing used
batteries at home before disposal. I'm unsure of where I
will dispose of my next lot of used batteries. We
live on the north Shore. Well, hate good news for you, John,
because I'm pretty sure that the Resource Recovery Devenport, which

(01:03:43):
I know a little bit about because I sit on
the board there, we will take batteries. We do battery
recycling there. It's a small fee, which is fine, So
come on down Divnport drop them off to us. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got a question of a building nature. Ha,

(01:04:04):
someone's someone's, someone's got to me. Just talking about vermin
infesting wall cavities. A few years ago, I saw three
baby rats playing up on top of a push out
kitchen window, four off the ground. They had obviously climbed
up the outside wall. Well, I wonder whether they'd gone

(01:04:25):
up the outside wall or whether they'd come up through
the cladding, making use of the cavity battens as little
ladders and then getting their sharp little claws into the
building paper, scratching their way up through the cavity, and
had appeared to enjoy the view from that four meter

(01:04:48):
high perch. I mean, I'm really struggling to think about
vermin of any description, rats or mice climbing up the
exterior of metal cladding, given how little purchase there would
be for them. I suspect those ones got in probably

(01:05:09):
at the bottom where there should be a vermin proof
sort of closure, a vermin closure at the bottom, and
got up and got out that way. But hey, look,
if you've seen it, let me know. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Will
Actually it's a quick break and then we'll come to
Brian in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Measured wise, God was but maybe called Pete first for
you Wolfgaf the resident builder.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
News Talk said be.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
You and new Stalk said be another quick text. Actually, Pete,
Granny flat enablement. This is the new small stand alone
dwelling regulations news come out that they will not be
allowed to have mezzanine flows that've been outlawed. Why many
tiny homes use mezzanines as a space saver. Yes, they
possibly do, but I think in terms of ensuring that

(01:05:57):
these are simple buildings that are compliant, I think the
government's taking approach that they won't be permissible in these
buildings without getting a build consent. And I guess there's
a couple of things. One is it prevents possibly someone
building seventy square meters and then putting in a fifty
square meter mezzanine floor, an effect creating one hundred and

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thirty square meter habitable space. Also, the buildings are designed
to be single story, so limited to four meters high overall.
And the other thing is if you allow mezzanine flows,
then there's also the risk of people falling from them,
So then there's guidance around safety, prevention of falling, etc.

(01:06:44):
Which some people might be likely to comply with and
others less likely. So I guess the low risk approach
is to say that's it. No mezzanine flaws. You could
do one, but you'll need a building consent. I think
that's the short answer. Brian, Good morning.

Speaker 16 (01:07:01):
To you, good morning here are you very well?

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Thanks Brian.

Speaker 16 (01:07:08):
Excuse me. I'm Hamilton and there's been a bit of
a who do between the county and his resident over
and great Turner. He built a garden git and made
a beautiful job. But it's in the paper, been photused
in the paper of it. He made a beautiful job.

(01:07:28):
And the county said to him they want a coat
of a print and all that. He's got a movie
sheet of wave a meter from the boundary fence and that,
and he fatly refused it. And I am i that
guy because the factors he's a cancer survivor, and he
stood up to the county And now they've come to

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the party and said, no, you can leave it there
because somebody complained about his shed. If they went round
this whole city of Hamilton, they'd be a hell of
a lot of sheds and mine would be some of
them that I've just built them and couldn't be bothered
to get a code of a branch and all that.
And this code of appliance was going to cost seven

(01:08:12):
hundred and thirty nine dollars. What a joke, and.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
I think what you'll find is, and this was I
don't know announcement would have been six weeks ago or so,
so I think it was David Seymour, along with Chris
Penk announcing that the rules that govern the location of
sheds and so on is changing, so up to ten
square meters can now be put up against the boundary,

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and other buildings larger than that can be a meter
from the boundary as of right, So you're right. Previously
the guidance was that any shed that was built needed
to be the height of the building away from the boundary.
And look, I agree with you. I think that probably
ninety nine percent of garden sheds in people's backyards would

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have been in breach of that particular guidance. So, however,
I do have a bit of a concern around the
fact that you know, it allows people then to build
right on the boundary, which means, if it's up against
a fence and you've done it in some cladding that
might need some maintenance, how are you ever going to

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maintain that?

Speaker 16 (01:09:23):
Yeah, that's true, this joke ahead enough room to get
to get down.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
There and do some maintenance and that sort of thing.

Speaker 16 (01:09:30):
And it should be made that. You know, it's affordable,
you can move it out, it's neat being you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Going to be interesting to see.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
I sort of I get it at a certain level, right,
you know, it's it was all a bit absurd and
so on. But at the same time, a typical sort
of ten square meter building will be something like four
meters long by two and a half meters, okay. And
if you know, you're at your kitchen bench looking out
at your fence, and then you find that there's a

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four meter long structure built hard up against the fence,
and if it's already let's say two point two two
point three two point four meters high, it's going to
be about six hundred millimeters above the fence. It's quite
something to look at, isn't it. If your neighbor ends
up building right there and is allowed.

Speaker 16 (01:10:22):
To do so, well, I've got a kindergarten, a well
known kindergarten throughout New German. Yeah, and now am my
next door neighbors and they got shed there and that
right up against to be onto. I've got no problem
with that. I keep my nose and my own beck.
Yet it's a good's not my problem.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 16 (01:10:48):
Very nice call, very very good neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:10:52):
Nice call. You have a great day eight hundred eighty
ten eighty if you've got a question. I thought he
was going to refer to another story with a sort
of family group who had built a whole series of
non compliant, consented and therefore non compliant buildings which after
any number of visits from the local council, they've been

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told that they needed to remove them or get compliance.
And I think they've ended up about one hundred and
thirty one thousand dollars less well off poorer at the
end of their battle. That was in the paper in
the last few days. As well battery recycling at the
Wellington Tip, phone recycle at oh you can also do

(01:11:35):
phone recycling at one New Zealand. Yeah, you're right and
some actually quite a few recycling centers will take them
as well. And Wellington Central North end of Lambton Key.
That would probably make sense if you're in Wellington. The
other thing if you're looking for and I saw this
when I was down at Brands earlier in the year.

(01:11:58):
So Brands have supported a basically building an online map
which allows you to search for where to take recyclable
products anywhere in the country. So if for example, you're
an Eketahuna and you've got some batteries that you want
to recycle, go onto the brand's map. I'll get your

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details of that in the moment and search for you're
put in the location. Say what product it is that
you're looking to recycle, and it will hopefully tell you
where to go in the best possible way. I'll get
you some more details on that in just a moment.
If you've got a question of a building nature, oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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call us now and we'll come back to you straight after.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
The break helping you get those DIY projects done right.
The resident builder with peta wolfcat, call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighteen youth talk ZB before.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
I forget, which I have done last week and maybe
even the week before. If you recall a couple of
weeks ago, there was a young woman who phoned who
was asking the already started with asking how to repair
some plaster board, and I was thinking, Okay, well, maybe
it's in a flatting situation and it needs to be

(01:13:15):
done because these things happened from time to time. Turned
out that the reason that they needed to repair the
plasterboard is that a cat had, in some incredible set
of circumstances, managed to find itself trapped inside the wall,
and there was an attempt to go from the inside,

(01:13:37):
but then they couldn't reach it, and this person then
took it upon themselves to remove some of the exterior cladding,
which I think might have been metal clatting. We've talked
about that, in order to get the cat out. Anyway,
the story made quite an impression on a mate of mine,
Mike from Razine Construction, who rang me during the week
and said, I was so impressed by that particular caller.

(01:13:58):
I'd like to give them, like a tool, a prize
for their initiative and efforts. If you remember that story,
and if you're listening, can you give us a call,
because quite seriously, they were so impressed by your initiative
and your general all around goodspa that they want to

(01:14:19):
reward you for that. So if you remember the story
and you're listening to the show today, give us a callback.
We'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty r. Now here's the details. So if
you are interested in finding somewhere to take recyclables, there
is now a new interactive map which has been discovered

(01:14:39):
so or been developed by Brands. So Brands being the
Building Research Authority Association rather, they've done the resource Recovery map.
So just type in Brands Resource Recovery Map, it'll bring
up the map. You can search for an address or
a waste facility in the areas near you and it
will tell you, hopefully what they take.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
Also, if you are in the business of being able
to do recycling at your store or at a center
or business that you run, you can add your details
to the map. So get in touch with Brands and
say hey, look we're into the business of recycling and
we'll take X, Y and z. So have a look

(01:15:24):
at it. It's very good and over time I'm thinking
it will develop more and more. So for example, I'm
just looking at the first bit of it. You know
concrete recycling, like where can you go to do concrete recycling?
Well you can search for that. Where can you go
and take your batteries? Where can I take my plastics?
Where can I take metal? Where can I take all
of the things that can be recycled. So there you go.

(01:15:46):
Check it out. That's the brand's resource recovery map. Is
what you need to do A quick google of right,
oh oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
to call Tim. Good morning to you. Yeah, hey mate, greetings,
what's up?

Speaker 15 (01:16:00):
Yeah, So I just wrung up since we're talking about
building and content on I've got a little kid. Yes,
with the backyard boats and treehouses, what type of consents
or guidance for safety is given by counsel if if

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someone was to look over the bench and complain like anything,
that is there any restrict restrictions from council Because you
can buy a lot of kits online or from stores
are of suitable construction when you first purchased them, but
then they sold on, sold on based on second hand

(01:16:48):
and then they become rickety because they built with materials
that aren't really suitable for long term outside use.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
To the best of my knowledge, and I'm happy to
be corrected on this, to the best of my knowledge,
there's no There probably are, but I'm not aware of
any regulations around tree huts and tree forts and those
sorts of things in backyards. I suspect that there might be, so,

(01:17:18):
for example, if it's more than two meters high, or
if it's elevated off the ground, and all the rest
of it. For several years we had a little two
story hut in the back of our property that had
an internal stare ladder that led you up to a
second story platform which led you out onto a little

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mezzanine balcony that ran around the outside of the building,
none of which would have been compliant at all with
any building regulations that I'm aware of. But it sat
in our backyard and was used a fair amount for
a number of years, and actually in the end, when
I did take it down, I sent it went to
a mate of mine who's put it up in his
backyard and his kids are enjoying it today.

Speaker 15 (01:18:05):
So basically it comes down to the family. How safe
they want your kids?

Speaker 7 (01:18:11):
Look?

Speaker 6 (01:18:12):
Well, yeah, I mean look, you know, as parents our
jobs to look after the kids, right, So do you
want to build something that's that is likely to cause
them injury? Hopefully not. Do you want to build something
that might be a little bit exciting for them? You
probably do, But I'm happy to be corrected on this.
But to my awareness. I don't know that there's any

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specific rules, but you would hope that common sense would.

Speaker 15 (01:18:38):
I just want to go on a lot to be
sort of creating something, and then and then someone tell
me that I'm safe and I'm not allowed to look.

Speaker 6 (01:18:46):
There was a case a little while ago where someone
had started to construct like a three story tower in
their backyard, which I'm not sure what the purpose of
it was, but from the photographs that I saw, it
was rickety and unsound and obviously built from materials not
all suitable, had no specific engineering design or consideration for

(01:19:10):
building standards, and it stood in their backyard three stories high.
Now probably not proper stories, but you know, you get
the picture. And eventually they were made to take that down,
and for good reason. It was obviously unsound and considerably risky.
But yeah, and in that sense, I think you've got

(01:19:33):
to go really big, really tall, really dangerous for anyone
to care, is my thinking. Okayal medical, Yeah, A little
bit of common sense goes a long way in these situations.
All right, all the best, take care and Henry, greetings
to you. Henry.

Speaker 17 (01:19:55):
Hello, Yeah, yeah, hi go from Yeah. I question is
I've got a house on the southern side of our bound.
We've got a swimming pool right up beside the fence
bus a sparpol and the pumps and that are right
beside the fence, and they are going. You know, the

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swimming pool circulates NonStop through the day and then up
until about ten o'clock when they're in this sparpl it's
bubbling away. And it's right beside the bedroom on the house,
which is twelve hundred Our house is twelve hundred away
from the fence, and this noise is going all the time.

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What's the regulations for all this? It's been going up
for quite a few years, and you know, you just
put up with it, and it's becoming when you get older,
you three pattern changes and all this sort of.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
It's a lack of consider isn't it on the part
of the neighbor. Right, I'm gonna I'm going to wake
the pump somewhere that I can't hear it. But if
my neighbor happens to hear it, well, I kind of
don't care. In the first instance. Have you gone across
the neighbor and said, hey, is there something you can
do about this?

Speaker 7 (01:21:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:21:22):
Well, there was a talking stage at once, but now
we've had other issues. Right, it is not you know.
I was just wondering, is that any regulations for the
sound proofing of these pumps where they are anything like that,
because actually we've got two swimming pools, one on the

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southern the end of the house, on the west the
end of the house and right beside the windows.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
All right, but not from the same person. Someone doesn't
have two swims. This is one neighbor's got a pull
and the other one's got to pull. Yeah, I'll tell
you what it. Leave it with me. I'll do a
little bit of research because I'm not sure if there
is actually any regulations around services and a requirement to
keep noise below a certain decibel rating long term. But

(01:22:15):
I'll have a look. Stay listening and I'll see if
I can find some information. During the news, Sport and weather,
which is coming up at eight o'clock after the break,
we're back into open line around building and building issues,
and at eight point thirty live and in person, a
rid Cline past is joining me, So looking forward to
that radio. We're back after the news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
You meat it twice, God was, but maybe call Pete first.
Vide Wolfcab the resident builder. News Talk said, be radio.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
We are talking all things building and construction. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Just talking with Henry before the break. There around a
neighbor that has a pool which is obviously heated. Excuse me,
so has the heat pump or whatever heating device he

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has which is adjacent to the boundary and causing noise?
And are there regulations? Well, surprise, surprise, there are actually regulations.
It might vary from counsel to counsel. So where I've
ended up is on an Auckland Council website and an
information thing. It's actually talking about heat pumps and avoiding

(01:23:33):
nuisance from where you happen to install them. And it
does have some acceptable decibel ratings. So for example, Monday
through Saturday from ten am to ten pm, fifty decibels
and from Sunday from nine till six so slightly shorter time,

(01:23:53):
fifty dea spells is acceptable. At other times it's forty decibels.
So there's and then there's guidance as to where you
can take that measurement from and so on and so forth.
So look, if you've got a smartphone like most people
do have these days. You'll probably have a little app.
I've got one on my phone which is a disabel

(01:24:14):
reading or dispel meter, so you can take your own
measurements and if it's over a certain amount, I guess
you could go to council. They'll probably say it's the
civil matter. You need to deal it with it, deal
with it yourself. In which case, if you've already fallen
out with a neighbor, I'm not sure if there's a
pathway forward, but if this is a concern to you,

(01:24:34):
you will find guidance probably on your local council's website.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're talking all
things building and construction.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Good morning, Mike, Good morning guys.

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Yeah, well, actually in yourself.

Speaker 18 (01:24:48):
Very good, Thank you earlier. So it's a bit tough, Pete.
Can you help me please. I've got an old house
we've had for seventy years, a family family home. We've
removed the kitchen and there was corks flooring and we
lifted up the cork. I argument with our brother. He

(01:25:10):
didn't want to do it, and I did. To send
the beautiful old chore with the hardwood floors then just gorgeous.

Speaker 7 (01:25:17):
We're going to do it all the way through.

Speaker 18 (01:25:19):
But underneath the cork, somebody's gone mad with a staple.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
The small sin, the staples.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
And it's in't the hardwood.

Speaker 18 (01:25:28):
I've gone through one staple remote. In fact, I've brought
two staple removers, one from Fallers and one from Rapid
and neither of them they just keep bending. I've tried
this the hard almost cutters to try and get them out,
but it's just turned into a nightmare. Have you got

(01:25:49):
any suggestions on what might work.

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
I shouldn't be laughing, but I have done that job.
In fact, it was many many years ago, and to
make matters worth, I did it with a massive hango
of it. I'm not not proud of that anyway. Yeah,
so I'm painting a picture, right So anyway, that was
that was back in the day. Look, there's there's limited

(01:26:16):
success because what you've got typically is you've got is
it a like a commercial staple or a staple out
of a little hand held stapler. It'll be a proper stable.

Speaker 18 (01:26:25):
It looks like it looks like probably the first commercial
stapley came out. I was just literally went to town
I've never seen somebody staples.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Well, that's the beauty of having, you know, a little
pneumatic tool. You can just fire to your heart's consent, right,
and you don't want it to drum, so you go
and to be fair, when you put them down, your
job is to make sure it doesn't come up again. Right,
So staples every hundred millimeters they'll be. They'll have a
crown of about it's ridiculous, all right, So you've you've

(01:26:53):
pulled up the hardboard, you left with all of the staples.
I would typically just use a pair of nips, right,
So try and grab them. I try and grab them
right at the top, right, so where the you bend
at the toppers with the harspers. Grab it there and
give it a little lever and see if you can

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get them out. Nine times out of ten it snaps off,
and then you're left with like a two milimeter stub
that you can't get the nips onto. And even if
you could, probably couldn't peel it out, in which case
I have just cut them off, flush and punched them
down because there's really no other alternative, right. I've heard

(01:27:36):
that wetting the boards might work, So if you flooded
the floor and saturated it. You might find that it
swells the timber a bit and it releases its grip
on the fastener. That might help. And certainly I know
guys that lift floors, you know, as part of demolition
and recycling, they will often just completely saturate the floor

(01:27:58):
and then it helps pull the boards up and the
nails might just sort of pull through, So the same
might apply if you can. In some cases with nails,
what I often do is give them a small tap
in to sort of release that grip. But on a staple,
it tends to just bend the top of the staple
over and it's not really an advantage to you, so

(01:28:21):
try and get them out with some nips. Otherwise, cut
them off as close and just punch them down and
it'll still look okay. To be fair, I mean, you
can go when the sander comes in. Yeah, that'll happen inevitably,
and then you want to make sure that the sander
if there's some that you'll miss, and inevitably there will be,

(01:28:41):
the sander should go through and punch them again. And
then typically what they do is they trail the whole
floor up with filler and that'll fill any of those
little holes.

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
Likely.

Speaker 18 (01:28:53):
I wish i'd left the corcord though.

Speaker 19 (01:28:55):
Yeah, And to be fair, there will be a bunch
of people listening who go, yep, been there, done that,
you know, and I get where you come from.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
I think it is lovely to restore those native timber floors.
If it's sevent years old, chances are it's MATTEI something
like that. It will look gorgeous without a doubt.

Speaker 18 (01:29:15):
Actually we're big a combination of that through the walls.

Speaker 6 (01:29:18):
And yeah, nice a dial agreement.

Speaker 18 (01:29:20):
That's yeah, tomazing, So well, thank you very much for that,
really appreciated. I'll try some we thing and I'll try it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
Might even try to go actually, and let us know
how you get on, you know, and don't be too
concerned about like typically we don't want water on timber floors,
but you know, if you've got a bit of time
before you're going to be standing it, it'll dry out
again and it might just help get a few more
of those fasteners out, those staples out. Good luck take

(01:29:47):
care of well.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
By then.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
I'm wondering whether that was a wise story to tell,
but anyway, it was true. It was also a long, long,
time ago. Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call. It's thirteen minutes after eight.
If you have a question of building nature, you should
call us now, because from eight thirty one we're talking
all things gardening. Staple removing two tools, a flat nose

(01:30:09):
plier and a magic tool. Is a thick partty knife
to get underneath them. I'm wondering whether the thick partty
knife you use to sort of leaver the flat nose
pliers from or onto. Anyway, Thanks for that, John, much appreciated.

(01:30:33):
If someone else has done that particular job and you
happen to have some magic trick for getting staples out
of flooring when it's been used to fasten down. You know,
it's typically hardboard that gets nailed or fastened down with
stapless out of a little pneumatic staple gun down into

(01:30:53):
the flooring. You've got a very thin staple with about
four or five millimeters sitting up, maybe not even that much,
and probably about fifteen millimeters embedded into the timber.

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
Ah, Jeff, I linished the face of my end nipper
pliers to get in closer to remove the staples. It
works a lot better. That's very nifty. That's very nifty.
I'm guessing too that you're a person that probably sharpens
your nips, which makes a lot of sense, because they
work a whole lot better when you're doing Thai Wise,

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if they're actually reasonably sharp rather than having bent over
bits and pieces. Round headed wirecutters and roll them out,
not pull them. Yes, Jeremy, I'm with you on that.
Round headed wirecutters. I think that's probably the same thing
as what I describe as a pair of nips that
are in my apron. Yes, rolling not pulling is the

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Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
Just before we go across a couple of I think
some people are getting the wrong end of the stick
in terms of the job that Mike was describing. So
this is the classic where let's say, you know, there's
there's a beautiful native timber floor that's down and then
sometime people decided that they wanted to put something else
over the top tiles or in this case, corktiles. So

(01:33:41):
in order to prepare for that, you take some basically hardboard,
oil tempered hardboard, You put that down, you shoot it
full of ten million staples, and then you put your
corktiles over the top. So then you decide I want
to restore the floor, and you pull up the tiles,
the corktiles to discover the hardboard. You get the hardboard

(01:34:03):
up with a spade or a chisel, and you're left
with the staples, zillions of them, and how do you
get those out? So my go to has just been
a set of m nippers or nips and try and
just roll them out. Other people have suggested. Now a
bunch of people have said, oh I just use a
sharp spade. Yeah, but that still doesn't get the staples
out right. And an old chisel yeah, again, still just

(01:34:27):
knocks them off. Little angle grinder, same thing. I do
like the suggestion about linishing the face of the end
nippers to make I guess the bity bit actually closer
to the staples. That makes a lot of sense. Someone
else has gone, hey, look just go and buy yourself
a staple remover, which I've never bothered with but I

(01:34:50):
might now thank you very much for that, like a
commercial one, a decent one with a bit of leverage
on it, not the one that you might use for
taking staples out of your paperwork. Thank you very much
for that much appreciate it. And Chris a very good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
Good morning.

Speaker 20 (01:35:10):
Yeah, yeah, do you hear me?

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:35:12):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Yeah, great.

Speaker 20 (01:35:15):
I've got a question to do a bathrooms of just
in the process of renovating one of my bathrooms, and
so I've basically got aquiline up now, and I've also
going to be using the Hardy's Hardy Groove Penny, so

(01:35:35):
I want that to go over the equiline jobs. So
that's fine, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Yeah, no reason why not. I think you could just
use the Hardy groove. You don't need to have a backing.

Speaker 20 (01:35:49):
It's also the sounder. Yeah yeah. So typically for a
dato height, what would you sit down at? Would it
be twelve hundred or a little bit less than that?

Speaker 6 (01:36:04):
It kind of comes down to what have you want
to do? So is your intention to do to take
the Hardy groove, maybe cut the sheep in half and
then use that as a data. Yeah, Well then typically
you go twelve hundreds a great height because then I
don't have to cut the sheet once right, yeah yeah,
and then what will you do to finish the top

(01:36:25):
of that?

Speaker 20 (01:36:27):
Well, it's you above that now. I want to use
the hardy glaze on top of that because it's already
a pre finished product. Yes, yeah, so I make sure
you thinking about you. I've already got some makesurely planning
on using that and then having a molding to break the.

Speaker 7 (01:36:50):
Combined together.

Speaker 20 (01:36:51):
So I've got this sort of data raio rail going along.
So yeah, that's what I've got planned for that, So
that's no problem.

Speaker 6 (01:37:01):
Then, yeah, look I like the look, and funnily enough,
it's exactly what I did in our bathroom twenty odd
years ago. Really yeah, yeah, I did exactly the same thing,
actually lined it. I happened to use tantalized plywood with
a V groove in it and did that to a
dado height. And I can still remember that I made

(01:37:23):
my own dato railing. I wanted a particular profile, which
I made up using sort of a router and a
couple of little moldings.

Speaker 7 (01:37:31):
Quite like, yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 20 (01:37:35):
And next question also was like I've made things so
difficult for myself. So I've made a raise and the
wife wanted a star bars, so I thought, well, ok
I build a build a sort of a raised floor
and where the bath is. Ye, so I've got that
all sort of The thing that I need to know

(01:37:57):
now is so I've got the pie flooring down, Yes,
what do I use as a substrate above the the
floor for when you're putting down, whether it be vinyl
or whatever? What sort of substrate do I need?

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
I would have thought that if you've got ply down
and you're using vinyl, if it could probably go straight
down onto the ply, there'd be no reason to put
a substrate underneath it. But talk to the vinyl to
whoever's going to do the vinyl, and yeah, that would
be fine. Obviously, if you're going to do tiles over

(01:38:37):
the top of plywood, then you need to put down
like a fiber cement sheet typically, And then.

Speaker 20 (01:38:43):
Do you one Which one would I use?

Speaker 16 (01:38:46):
What?

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
If it is available? It's just slat and tile underlay.
There's all different brands that are out there.

Speaker 20 (01:38:52):
Okay, slate and tile is what it's called. Ye, Okay underlay, yeah, okay,
fantastic and what techness would that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
Be typically it's about four mil?

Speaker 7 (01:39:04):
Okay for mah, great?

Speaker 20 (01:39:06):
And is that one where has certainly mentionioned to now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Yes, that's the one. I've got little dots on it.
And basically we're the Donnars is where you put your
flathead clout and and away you go, and a little
bit of adhesive underneath it our help as well.

Speaker 20 (01:39:24):
Okay, fantastic, So all my issues. One last question I've
got like our little l cove for the shower to
go in. Now, the floor is, yes, it's a little
bit of level, maybe three or four mil or whatever
it is or five, but it's enough to be annoying.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
Now what so I'd have to.

Speaker 20 (01:39:46):
Put a sub straight down?

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
It's yes, it is.

Speaker 20 (01:39:54):
It's just your typical PREVC.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
In that area. You could use some floor leveling compound
so f l C, which.

Speaker 7 (01:40:04):
Is what I've got.

Speaker 20 (01:40:05):
I've just bought some so because it's uh so, there
is some plot. It's ply about marrowing up to the
old T G n V flooring metile flooring. So would
I need to put some sort of like Hardley's protuct
down like sub straight and then put the f l

(01:40:26):
C over there?

Speaker 11 (01:40:31):
Probably No, you.

Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
Could just do f l C straight on top of
if it's tenalized ply that's there. And because getting your
shower tray level is actually really really really important. But yeah,
and how are the walls, because if you're going to
use a preformed shower tray and wall system, you've got
to make sure that the floor is flat and the

(01:40:53):
walls are plumb. Otherwise it gets really tricky to install those.

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
Yes, yes, absolutely, I got to run.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Good luck with all of that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
It sounds like a great project. All the best, Chris,
you take care very quickly. Michael greetings, Yeah, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:41:12):
And I've got a home with a rock coat exterior,
and I've had an air conditioning unit removed and the
refrigerant pipes.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
Have been disconnected.

Speaker 12 (01:41:23):
Ye, the old one You're disconnected and sort of pushed back.
And so now I've got this. Yeah, can you buy
like a bit of rock coat to cut the shape
to put in the and then plaster or how do
I make a nice in it?

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
I look, I know the guys at rock Cooke because
it's Razine Construction System. So what I'd suggest is give
them a call tomorrow. They'll have your job on file.
If it was done by them, and it sounds like
it was, and they'll be able to put you in
touch with a contractor get someone to come out do
a proper job of it to ensure weather tightness. So
just give the team at Razine Construction a call in

(01:42:00):
the morning and they'll they'll put you in touch with
a contractor to do it.

Speaker 12 (01:42:04):
In your experience, is it like is it always going
to look like a patch?

Speaker 6 (01:42:08):
And you know what you might find is that you
might need to repaint a section of the wall right
to blend it in eventually. But no, the patching can
be done, you know if professional comes and does it,
and that's the guys at Razen Construction. Get them to
do it, get it done properly. You'll have no issues
with leaking and moisture and gress and all the rest
of it, and the patch will be really really top

(01:42:30):
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