Full Show Podcast: 12 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,
fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
A house sizzor even when it's dug, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, even.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
When the dog is too old to bar, and.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
When you're sitting at the table trying not to stop
scissor hole, even when weave a ben, even.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
When you're the houses along, even when there's goals, even
when you go around funnel ones, you love your moves.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Screams, broken pains appel in fund locals west when they're
gone leaving the.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
House, even when will then, even when you're in there alone,
a very.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
Very good morning. Welcome along to the Resident Builder on Sunday.
That's with me, Peter wolf Camp, the Risident Builder, taking
your calls on all things construction. Now, that's a fairly
broad kind of topic because we can talk about the
rules and the regulations that govern what we can do,
where we can do it, and what we can do
it with basically we can talk about the actual doing,

(02:09):
whether that's going to be yourself doing the work, whether
you're going to be engaging contractors, whether it's going to
be sort of a hybrid version of both of those things.
We can talk about the materials that you might need
to undertake these tasks. We can talk about the tools
that you might either already have or that you may
well need to buy. There is a small delight in

(02:32):
going out and finding a useful tool that perhaps you
haven't had before, haven't had the need to use, and
being able to purchase that and then go ahead with
a couple of projects. And I think, depending on how
my day goes tomorrow, I'll swing by a particular store
to pick up a particular tool or item. It's a tool.
Protractors are a tool, aren't they. Anyway, I found one

(02:52):
of those online, thought it would be very useful, go
and pick one of those up tomorrow, Or you can
just we can talk about all the like I say,
the regulations, the rules, the regulations maybe around the building stuff.
Maybe it's around what you can do your land, what
your neighbors can do on their bit of land. We
can talk about that on the show as well. We
can talk about the big picture stuff around the legislation

(03:14):
and the changes to various parts of the Building Code,
the Building Act, around the types of buildings you can
build without necessarily getting a building consent. We can talk
about changes possibly to joint in several liability. We have
a fairly in depth discussion about that a couple of
weeks ago. That's kind of it was like a big story.
Then it's obviously they're working on it, and maybe there'll

(03:36):
be announcement around what will change with Joint and several liability.
And I guess too where it's quite interesting. I haven't
noticed the uptick in terms of the pressure to get
a job done before Christmas. Like typically by now we're

(03:57):
just over two months away from Christmas, there'll be a
sense of people going, right, I want to get that
kitchen in, I want to get that deck done. I'm
going to get some landscaping done so I can do
some planting over the Christmas period, those sorts of things.
It's still not quite there seemingly. So maybe you've got

(04:18):
a project though, and you're thinking shivers, if I want
that deck done before Christmas, if I've got the family
coming around for Christmas, dinner. Then I need to get
that done. Well, you probably need to start planning and
thinking about it now. So all of these things we
can talk about and look, we'll probably end up in
places that I didn't even expect, which will be fascinating

(04:39):
and interesting, I hope for me and for you on
the show as well. So give me a call. Oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? You can also text of course, that's nine
two nine two ZEDBZB and if you'd like to email me,
it's Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot z. Now a little

(04:59):
bit later on in the show, one event that was
on this week that I popped into very brief on
Thursday was the Master Builders Association Apprentice of the Year
Awards and competition. So what happens is, as I understand
that apprentices around the country have to compete in their

(05:20):
regional area, then the winner of that regional final Ghost
comes up to Auckland and partakes in the national final,
which happened on Thursday. Is the practical part of it.
They had to make. It was very cool actually they
made what looked like a steam train, like a locomotive,

(05:41):
playhouse for a local childhood center childcare center, and so
each of the I think it was about seven participants
had to construct this in a period of time. I
think it might have been between ten o'clock in the
morning and four o'clock in the afternoon, something like that.
So they've got all the materials there, they've got a
set of plans, they're all lined up, they've got all

(06:02):
the tools that they need, and they have to construct
this and then that is judged at the end of
the day. So I got there at about two thirty
something like that. They were well underway. They'd stop for
a bit of a smoke o break in the afternoon,
call it smoke a tea break in the afternoon, and
then they were going to continue. And then on the Friday,
the apprentices sit down for formal interviews where I guess

(06:22):
they're questioned about what they know about the building act,
what they know about maybe running their own businesses, those
sorts of things. So there's a practical element on the Thursday,
and then a theoretical in an interview's a series of
interviews on Friday, and then on Friday night the winners
were announced. I won't tell you who the winner is yet,
but we will be talking to the winner just after
eight o'clock this morning, so we're really looking forward to that.

(06:44):
We've done it the last couple of years. I think
it's great to support the apprenticeship schemes and also to
shine a light and allow a little bit of time
in the spotlight for someone who can rightly claim to
be the best apprentice in the country within the Master
Builders organization. So I think that's fantastic. We'll be talking
with them after eight o'clock right now, though, it's your

(07:07):
opportunity to talk. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
number to call all things building and construction. Let's start
with you, Rosk. Very good morning, Yeah, Pete.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
Two things.

Speaker 9 (07:19):
First of all, I think the line will come off
easy enough for the putty knife or something, but that
try Okay, it might get a bugged anyway, but a
share tray, what do you reckon to get it off before.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
It's not cracked or damaged in any way?

Speaker 9 (07:35):
Now, no, um, coming out of my house and going
to somewhere else's yeah, fair enough if it survives.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah no, no, no, that's that's awesome. I mean, look, I'm
all for the old recycling and reuse. I actually think
you've probably got a halfway decent chance, to be fair.
It'll be interesting to see what the shower lining looks
like when you get it off. So I suppose you
just start from one corner and in there with a
putty knife that are cutting through the adhesive and then
peel that off without without cracking it. And then once

(08:07):
you do that, I would say I'd take the same
approach if you can with the puddy knife around the
perimeter of the shower tray to be fair, most of
the time, when you glue them down, I don't think
the glue works to kind of stick it to the floor.
I think the glue works just to stop it moving around,
you know. So once you give it a little bit

(08:28):
of a wedge and then get an edge under it,
I think you'll get it up and.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
Maybe a Jimmy Barr or something.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yeah, I think so. And look a little bit of
it will depend on how old it is, So if
it's really old and fragile, then yeah, maybe not so much.

Speaker 9 (08:46):
But I'm guessing the same age of the house, which
is eighty seven.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, And I assume you can get underneath the floor
to disconnect the waste.

Speaker 9 (08:55):
Oh no, it's all done.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
Oh excellent, Okay, what I've done.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
I had to put a bigger shower in the case
one day. I need to because I'm not I'm not
as fit as I want for a bit of a
cripple and the lads say that too late.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
You can say to yourself.

Speaker 9 (09:11):
Right, that's that out of the way. Now, what I'd
like you to do, and I think a lot of
other people would like you to do, just try and
keep in touch with that lady because I'm I'm real
keen to know what the outcome is?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Sorry, which which person, particularly.

Speaker 9 (09:23):
The one I'm about to come to that mate, the
one that's who's some other some other bugger stack there downput.

Speaker 7 (09:30):
In the cargo? Yes, yeah it was. It was in
the cargo. There's a block of shops and in the cargo.

Speaker 10 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's all.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
I'm there here, so I'm mad keen to know what
happened about that until other people put.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Yes, I'll tell you what actually just on that, I've
just made a connection. Did Marcus get a seat on
the in the Cargo City council because he was running
for council.

Speaker 9 (09:52):
He always runs for the council. You know he normally
runs from here as well, doesn't.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
He He did last time, but he's been the councilor before.
I'm going to find out. Yeah no, I just thinking,
you know, that's local contact. I just ring Marcus and
go Marcus. Can you sort the out please? It's it
is a council issue. Well that's fantastic.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
Not only that we want to know as well.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
That's right, and so do I to be fair. So
if she's listening, I'm more than happy to take another call,
because that was a remarkably cheeky moment to just go
and hook you down hide.

Speaker 9 (10:20):
Maybe even early for us. So you might want to
mention again.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
I will do that. Tell you what now, just talking
about tools and finding a use for a tool that
you don't own. I tell you what I did see
the other day, and I haven't the moths haven't come
out of my wallet yet, but I'm tempted, and I'll
just think about for your job. So if you can
get underneath the floor and disconnect the waste, there are

(10:45):
also these little like a blow up bag that you
can use instead of a pride bar. So imagine if
you got under the air tock the waist out and
then you can get around the edges with a pride
bar from the inside and from on top of the floor.
But if you were to get underneath the floor and
slide one of those little inflatable wedges in there and

(11:07):
pump it up a little bit, you might be able
to loosen the adhesive in an area that you can't
get to with the pride bar.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
Yeah, I will consider that. Because they're using for doors
and things.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Well, they look fantastic, to be fair.

Speaker 9 (11:22):
Yes, I've seen ue used.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
Okay, it might be a race between you and I
to go and buy one today.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
You've got some bloody money, mate, that's a different.

Speaker 7 (11:38):
Hey, lovely to talk to you, and thanks for the reminder.
Good luck with that. Nice and slow as the key
to it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call seventeen minutes after six? I didn't
really describe that. Well, it's it's like a sometimes you
see them on rescue shows where they they put in
like a giant bag underneath the car and then they

(12:00):
pump it up and then it lifts the car. Well,
there's like a very small version probably about the eyes
of the palm of your hand, very high density rubber
or plastic with a little pump so you can slide it.
Let's say you're lifting the fridge out, you can slide
it unerneath the fridge, pump it up and it'll lift
the front of the fridge up. Or you could slide

(12:21):
it in the gap underneath the door if you need
it to support a door or something like that, and
then pump it up. I can hear myself convincing myself
that this now has become an essential tool for the toolkit.
I think it might have done too. Anyway, we'll sort
that out later on ken A very good morning.

Speaker 11 (12:40):
Yes, good morning. I've discovered an essential tool for outside
and it costs fifteen dollars ninety nine.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
Go for it.

Speaker 11 (12:48):
It's called paver mate. It's got a wire brush, a
narrow wire brush on a broom handle. And what you
do is your with your pavers, which have to let
the water go through so you don't get poling. You
use your pa mate. And honestly, it's been it's been

(13:09):
a gist of the light and I found it very helpful.
I got it from a local garden center. Pavor Mate
I would recommend it now is it.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Only for the types of pavers that are designed to
be permeable pavers, where they have a little sort of
ridge on the side of the paver which keeps them
separated from the others so that the water's got somewhere
to go. Or would you use it on it?

Speaker 10 (13:32):
Ah?

Speaker 11 (13:33):
Okay, yeah, you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to try and
dig up you know something that's that's that's waterproof. No, right,
pavor mate. There we are fifteen dollars ninety nine from
my local garden center.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Okay, oh, there you go.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
No, I've just done a quick search. Well stone and
steel scraper effective. That's great.

Speaker 11 (14:03):
You could easily ruin it by tackling something which has
got it right out of hand, right. I think the
idea is to get it so that it's pretty pretty pristine.
I find weeds can come up within a day.

Speaker 7 (14:15):
Tell me about it, and by doing.

Speaker 11 (14:17):
It, get it, get it, get it clean. Well, I
mean you could use it for that, but get it clean,
and if you just use it regularly, it wouldn't wear
out very quickly.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Right, It's quite intant. See now this has added another
thing to my list of tools to buy, because we've
got a little area of you know, with some old
the old bricks, right, and you can throw in the
sand and between it and all the rest of it.
I agree with you. Weeds can come up overnight and hmm, okay,

(14:49):
thank you. I'm going to add that to my list.
Thanks Ken, all of this make take care. We can
take a short break. We're talking tools. We're talking and
more importantly, I mean the tools there to do a
task right. So having the tools and not doing the
work is kind of pointless. But having the right tool
to help you do the job that makes a huge difference,

(15:11):
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people wolf Camp, the resident builder here at news Talk
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whether it's the practical, the theoretical, the legislative, we can
talk about all of these things. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It is
six twenty one.

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Hey fantastic too that Marcus actually did get elected to council,
so third highest polling candidate in the for the council
in the cargo and a new mayor and in the
cargo as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, let's

(17:08):
talk all things building and construction. Someone suggesting I change
the music. Oh now, someone else takes through just a
moment ago, sometime ago you mentioned a ruler. What was
the name of it? And where is it available? Talking
about tools, I've got a couple of these. As it happens,
if you search for the good Rule, you'll end up

(17:31):
at a website called the Good dot NZ. And what
I quite like about this is this is a sort
of a Kiwi twist on the conventional folding ruler, which
you know pretty much every carpenter's got one in their
apron right, And so this one is shorter, so it's
only six hundred millimeters long. When you fold it up,

(17:54):
it's exactly ten mil thick, which happens to be pretty
much the thickness of the most standard type of plaster
board lining. When it's folded up. It's also forty five
mil wide, which happened to be the same with as
a timber stud in New Zealand. And then it's got
lots of measurements that we use for things like bracing
and sign all fixing, bracing and so on. So nifty

(18:16):
little tool and a little schilder a bit more compact
in your apron. So not available in all stores, but
they are around, but just have a look online as
the best way the good dot z if you're looking
for those. So thanks very much for your text, Elaine.
On that ridio, let's talk to David. Good morning to you,

(18:37):
Good morning, Petey.

Speaker 12 (18:38):
Well, good thanks. During the process of buying a new house,
a townhouse, and in the bathrooms they've got tiles on
the floor, which is fine. But then on top of that,
this looks like a clear sort of ceiling or something
on top of the tiles, and where you had a
build a look at that, and he does he didn't
know what that was for, so are you.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
I mean, it seems a little unusual in the sense that,
you know, the whole reason for putting down tiles is
that they are not quite waterproof, but you know, quite
water resistant, let's say, and so having an additional seala
over the top of the tile, unless the tile is
the tile a ceramic tile, like does it have a

(19:24):
glaze on it or is it somehow a porous tile,
which then requires an additional seala.

Speaker 12 (19:31):
I'm not too sure.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
The tile.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
Sorry, I should have found out about from my wife.

Speaker 7 (19:38):
No, no, no, what color if you recall going in there,
so like, if it looks like a terra cotta tile,
then possibly it's got a seala over it, but otherwise
it's a little bit unusual to add a seala over
the top of a conventional tile.

Speaker 12 (19:55):
I'll check that. As I said, because I'm blind, I
don't know exactly what the fair enough what the tiles are,
but so in the opinion anyway, if it was terracotta,
you might need to see a Libbard.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
Not for other yeah, because they are kind of porous.
I know you can do terracotta tiles without sealing them,
but generally there's a sealer. And then from the description
of other people have given you, when you like that,
is it obvious that there is a coating or a
sealer over the top of it? And has that coating

(20:27):
started to deteror or could you pack away at it?
I'm just curious as to what.

Speaker 12 (20:33):
No, well, it's a new it's a new build.

Speaker 7 (20:36):
So ah, I'm struggling to think, especially in a new build.
I can't think of a situation where you would apply
a sealer over conventional tiles, especially today.

Speaker 12 (20:51):
It's not a normal sort of thing anyway.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
The good thing is if it's a new build, right,
they'll have all of the contacts for the contractors that
did the work, So I would just get the agent
to go back to the builder or the main contractor
and they should be able to prom buyed you with
a proper answer that goes, hey, this is what we've
applied for this reason.

Speaker 12 (21:12):
What's actually got a request the agent at the moment
so people know that by tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
To be fair, it's a bit of a.

Speaker 12 (21:19):
Yes all right. Are the builder who checked it as well?

Speaker 7 (21:23):
So yes, no trouble at all. You take care, good luck,
with all the best, David Bobby your new stalk seed
b And let me see that's the other text, are
excuse me with the new building rules excluding granny flats,
et cetera from requiring a building consent. Can I build
a six by six conservatory onto my house? The best

(21:46):
way to find out is still to use the can
I build it? Website, which is kind of a yes,
no process flow chat. So if you find just do
a quick Google search for can I build it. Then
you'll find, you know, type in conservatory and then size

(22:06):
and so on, and it'll take you through a flow
chart and let you know. So i'd suggest that I
suspect that you probably can build a conservatory depending. Yeah,
I think you probably can. Just check. Eight hundred eighty
is the number to call Um Peter. Very good morning

(22:28):
to you.

Speaker 10 (22:29):
Hey he is going to pass on Marcus to get
on the Undica country. Yeah. Then, Hey, I made a
bit of a faux part about fifteen years ago. I
had a extended my living area and had a third
bedroom put on the house, and I completely forgot to
get a CCC. Is it pretty? I was thinking I'd

(22:54):
better get that sorted before I pop my clothes or
the kids will have to deal with it, as they'll
probably sell the house.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
Hell right, Hey, good on you taking that approach, because
I think it's easy to put your head in the
sand and just go it'll be okay, it'll be okay,
and it won't be So when you did this building work,
did you get a building consent for the work?

Speaker 10 (23:22):
Wait? So it was a master builder that built it.
So yeah, I'm sure I've got all the documentation.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
Okay, Well, it sounds like you. I mean, if you've
got documentation. So if there's a set of plans or
there's a contract with the builder to do that work
fifteen years ago, it's touch and go as to whether
or not the builder who did Just trying to think
when the licensed building practitioner skin came in. It's about
two thousand and twelve, or I got licensed twenty twelves.

(23:55):
It's probably been around, but before there.

Speaker 10 (23:58):
I think this was twenty ten.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
But okay, all right, well look it's not from our
point of view, twenty ten's not that long ago, right,
So let's take that approach and go if you've got
all of that documentation there, let's assume that you did
get a building consent for the work at the time,
that there probably were some inspections that were undertaken if

(24:23):
you had the work done by an aster builder. So
what is quite likely is that you end up with
situation where you get to the final inspection, maybe there's
a couple of things you need to do. Builders moved
on to another job, they leave it with you. You
forget that it's your job, not his job, and so
it sits in the draw for all of these years.

(24:46):
I think first up, get if absolutely every piece of
information that you've got about the project. You could always
go to counsel and ask for the property file and
that will show whether or not there is a building consent.
A shoot, I suspect that there is a building consent
which may have had a final inspection or not. If

(25:06):
it either way, you will need to get a new
final inspection. So a councilor will come out, they'll do
a new final inspection. Chances are you'll fail on something,
at which case then you need to get that work remediated,
and then once that's done, you could apply for a CCC.
That one of the challenges might be is that typically

(25:28):
with a CCC application you provide evidence, for example, that
the plumbing work was done correctly, so it might be
a PS three from your plumber. You might need a
joinery certificate, you might need you probably need an electrical
safety certificate, so a CoA for that COC sorry, and
there'll be a whole lot of other documentation. If you

(25:51):
can get all of that and the workers has been
done to a suitable standard, then you should be able
to apply for and be granted a CCC if there's
no significant issues, If all of this sounds like it's
a little bit too much. Your other option is to
go to you probably need to contract the services of

(26:12):
a registered building survey. The building survey will do all
of those things that I just described, get all the
documentation together, supervisor final inspection, and make an application for
CCC and then sort of shadow that through council. And
I'm sorry that it sounds like a lot of work.

(26:33):
It might be relatively straightforward or it might be a
little bit of a torturous path, but either way, getting
it done does relieve your children of that burden. Also,
when you're taking a property to market these days without
a CCC tends to be really problematic. And I must

(26:54):
admit my attitude. Let's say ten years ago. You know,
if I was looking at a property that didn't have
a CCC or someone asked me about it, I'd kind
of go, oh, look, you know, get it and sort
it out later on. Now I very much shifted my opinion.
So if someone says, look, I'm interested in this property
and it doesn't have a CCC, I go put that
responsibility back on the vendor. Don't take that responsibility on

(27:18):
yourself unless you're getting it at a significantly discounted price.

Speaker 10 (27:25):
Well, yes, so I mean it made a good job
of it.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
So yeah, look and fifteen years ago, and the fact
that you went with a master builder, they've probably got
some records. You know, they might still be in business.
They know they should help you out and in no way.
And this is often a problem where I think homeowners
forget that it is unless they've contracted it to someone else,

(27:49):
it is their responsibility to get the CCC at the
end of a building project. And I think sometimes Homer,
I don't know that we've done a great job in
terms of informing people about their responsibilities. And unless you've
specifically in your contract said to your main contractor your builder,
your LBP, hey I want you to get me the CCC,

(28:13):
it does end up being your responsibility.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
So I'm pretty sure it was more responsibility in there.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
And that's what happens the building.

Speaker 10 (28:22):
It wasn't at different times because I was able to
still stay living in the house while he was doing it.
So another building inspector did pop in.

Speaker 9 (28:30):
Yeah, he was the.

Speaker 10 (28:32):
Through several stages. So yeah, that old dig all the
paperwork out and go through it.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
Yeah, it's really you know, it is just a process thing,
get the paperwork, get the final inspection done, and just
just work away at it, work away at it. And
and but like I say, if it gets to you know,
maybe an argument with counsel around whether or not something's
compliant and so on, then you probably will need to
engage a building surveyor to give you some advice or

(28:59):
you know, argue your point.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
Really, that's all great.

Speaker 7 (29:02):
Thank you for luck and good on you forgetting it
sorted out.

Speaker 10 (29:06):
Yeah, thought i'd said one of the kids. When they.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Will appreciate it, I'm sure take care. Yeah, look, I
just it's a bit of pot and kettle going on
in my mind. But the yeah, the reality is that
in the end, getting a CCC a code compliance certificate

(29:35):
at the end of a building project that has a
building consent ultimately is the responsibility of the homeowner. It's
interesting to see councils in their final inspection and I
was reading a final inspection report the other day state
that you must apply within sixty days. And but because

(29:57):
when I first saw that, and I remember last year
on the program, someone rang and said, oh, look we've
just finished this building project. We've passed our final inspection
and now we've got a letter from count sort of
demanding essentially that we complete our CCC application within sixty days,
and I'm like, gosh, that's I'd never at that time,
I'd never heard of it before. It's obviously something they've

(30:17):
added into the correspondence around a final inspection. Happy to
be proven wrong, but I can't actually find anything in
law that states that you must complete your CCC within
sixty days. I'd spent a bit of time reading about
it some time ago. I couldn't find anything in the
legislation that specified that date. Not saying it's not a

(30:39):
good idea, I just I wonder whether when councils say that,
they may or may not be able to back it up,
and what happens if you don't do it in sixty days,
and is there a statutory requirement to actually do it
within sixty days? But either way, it's a good idea.
If you finish the project, get your final inspection, get
your CCC in straightaway is the best advice. I think

(31:01):
it is six forty your news talk CB if you've
got a question of a building nature, and it could
be fairly broad, whether it's the rules and the regulations
or the actual getting in there and getting your hands dirty.
Give me a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with peta wolfcat call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
youth talk ZB.

Speaker 7 (31:24):
A couple of texts as well. We've got some spare lines,
so if you'd like to call that has a great
time to call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call now, morning, Pete. In Auckland, the council
say apply for a CECC within sixty days or you
may need another final inspection, which I find a fascinating
sort of tactic on their part. It's it's kind of like,

(31:47):
I don't disagree with the sentiment. I think it's a
good idea to get your CCC in straightaway as soon
as you've finished your final inspection. But another textra has
come through and said you've got two years. You have
to apply for a CECC within two years after the
work is completed, and I think it's generally accepted that
after a year you do actually need a new final inspection.

(32:10):
They won't accept it. So I kind of understand what
in this sense. All I'm aware of is organ councils
sort of flexing and going, hey, we're going to tell
you to do it within sixty days, otherwise you might
need a final inspection. But I'm not sure if they
if that's enforceable. I'm sure they've had their legal people

(32:30):
look at it, but still little bit of a question
mark in my mind. Here's a great text as well.
We'll take your calls, so feel free to call through. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Hey, Pete. I lived
in a small brick unit a number of years ago,
and the toilet would sometimes back up plumbing systems. By
the way, folks are not supposed to back up through

(32:51):
the toilet, right. There are other ways of putting your
plumbing together to ensure that that doesn't happen, But either way,
in this instance, this is what happened. I got a
plumber and then he traced it out to a blocked
drain on the street due to nappies being put down
the toilet. A street manhole in my driveway would fill

(33:13):
up to ten feet high and then flow down to
my unit. A tool I then used. The reason for
the text is talking about useful tools The tool I
then used to lift the manhole and check the levels
was very useful. It was an L shaped gardening trail
with a wooden handle that I could hook and uplift
the manhole for an early warning. Look, I mean there

(33:35):
are actually proper manhole lifters. It used to be just
a sort of like a giant key that you put
in and got underneath a little slot there and you
could lift up the lid. Now they're kind of there's
a leverage. There's a tool that allows you to connect
and then with a handle, apply some force via a
lever and then lift it out. The other thing is

(33:56):
for those public ones. Now, once you've done that, there
should then be another like a basket or a grill
underneath it to ensure that in the event that allow
a manhole lid comes away, that someone can't plummet into
those chambers. So typically nowadays to comply, you need to
install another layer of protection underneath it. And also just

(34:20):
if you're wondering whether this could happen to you, typically
what there should be an overflow relief gully or an
overflow relief on the outside of the house so that
if the line out from your place out to the
mains does block up, it will overflow there, And that's
a point lower than any other sanitary fixing inside the house. So,

(34:41):
for example, if you've got a shower on the ground
floor and the line backs up, it should overflow outside
of your house at thisg before it overflows in your shower, basically.
And I'm sure if I ask people to text it,
i'd get a couple of stories about that where that
overflow either wasn't there or didn't work for some reason.

(35:04):
And oh, the next thing, it's all coming out of
the shower, which wouldn't be a terribly pleasant thing, would it.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got
a question of a building nature, you should call me
right now. It is six forty seven here at NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Measure twice God was.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
But maybe call Pete first, feed you AllCare the resident builder.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
News TALKSB you.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
A news talks HEB. If you've got a question of
a building nature, give me cool, Pete. If you push
an outside wall out one point five meters but you
don't change the roofline, do you need a new code
of compliance? Thinking of squaring up the corner of a
house to enclose the verandah, yes, that sort of work
will require a building consent. So the process is that that.

(35:50):
So what you can do without necessarily getting a building
consent is set out in Schedule one of the Building
Act and it's designed to allow people to do modest
amounts of work without necessarily requiring a consent. So, for example,
if you've got a window and you want to change
that window opening into a door, and you don't need

(36:12):
to extend the width of the lintel, so you're not
increasing the width of it. You're simply removing that framing
from below the window sill down to the floor, taking
the window out and putting in a door, whether that's
set of French doors or a single door with a sidelight,
whatever it's going to be. You can do that work
without necessarily requiring a building consent as soon as you

(36:35):
extend the width of the opening, because that will require
a larger beam, requires some calculations to determine the loading
on that beam, etc. That triggers a requirement for a
building consent. That's just a small example of that. So
I would say in this instance here, it's really around
the interesting there's not actually a requirement in the Act

(36:56):
around what they call change of use. We often used
to talk about garages going from being garages to let's
say a bedroom as requiring a consent because it's a
change of use. But I read a very well written
piece again from Walkan Council about that saying that's actually
not anything that's in the legislation. But in this instance here,
because you're going to be taking something that was an

(37:19):
outside space ie veranda, and turning it into a habitable space,
then it will need to be safe and secure. It'll
need to have the insulation in it. It changes the
footprint of the house without necessarily extending it, but it
does change it. Yes, I think that work would require
a building consent. And the other thing is, you know,

(37:41):
if you do that sort of work and there's no
paper trail to determine what materials you used, what contractors
you used, and so on, there's an uncertainty in a
buyer's mind when you come to sell the house too.
So having a building consent offers up that surety to
a prospective new owner that the work was done in

(38:02):
accordance with the building code, that it's safe and secure,
et cetera. Et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, I think
that that work probably requires a building consent. The other
option is that you can do You can go to
council and in some cases apply for a dispensation. So
go to them, explain what you're going to do, and

(38:23):
in some cases they might be able to issue a
letter that says this work we believe doesn't require a
building consent and gives you an exemption. But again, it's
all about the paper trail, and this is legend. Pete
says the Texter. Read the CCC. I also missed my
inspection six years ago as my wife was going through chemo.

(38:46):
I hope it alls well. So I thought I was
a bit screwed, but your last call reassured me. Read
the CCC, I also missed it. Yeah, so hey, look,
I think there's an opportunity there to get those sorts
of things sorted. Doesn't necessarily make it easy to be fair,
you know, if you've delayed the CCC. Council can be

(39:06):
a little bit reluctant, can be a little bit cautious
for good reason probably, So the best thing to do
always is to get it done as quickly as possible. Yes,
there's a bit more of a story to that, so
two years apparently to do the CCC. What else have

(39:26):
we got for you this morning, Pete? Are you aware
of anyone who recoats kitchen benches with a eurothane product,
which I've been told can make it look like granite.
I do have a vague recollection of a product that
you could apply. You could even do it yourself. Actually

(39:48):
it was a couple of years ago, so I'm not
sure if it's still around to apply over the top
of existing surfaces. And yes, it would give you sort
of a stone slash granite type of pearance. I'll do
a bit of search during the break and see if
I can find that for you as well. But I
think it's still out there. Oh, quite a lot of

(40:11):
detail around tiny homes and so on. I'm going to
do that one after the break, because we've got New
Sport and Weather coming up at around seven o'clock. Well
not actually around seven o'clock. Bang on seven o'clock. Let's
do it. Then we will continue with your calls after
New Sport and Weather. Actually we might have time. We'll
start with this text and I'll deal with it after

(40:33):
the break. Morning Pete. Looks like the new relaxation of
the building compliance for Granni Flat's tiny homes under seventy
square meters is currently is underway. So currently it says
the building needs to be two meters away from the boundary.
Does this mean that the forty five degree angle calculation
currently being used will not apply? Our concept engineering d

(40:57):
drawings for the placement of a fifty two square meter
tiny home or simple standalone dwelling from an our engineering
company doing the drawing shows that one corner is not compliant,
and that's based on it being one point one meters
away and the forty five degrees from the boundary. I
have requested they redo it at two meters and wait

(41:17):
for the new rules to be compliant. Why would this
company not do it based on the new drawings. You'll
have to go back and chat with them around why
they made those particular choices, bearing in mind it's not
law yet.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Back after the news doing on the house storting the garden,
asked Pete for a hand the resident builder with Peter
Wolfcap call OH eight eight eighty NEWSTALGZB.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
EO a news TALKZB open line on all things building
and construction. Give me a call right now, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call by
all means you can fleck through a text that's nine
two ninety two or zbzb from your phone and if
you'd like to email me, it's Pete at newstalksb dot
co dot NZ. So just prior to that break, we

(42:04):
started talking about that decent long text with regard to
being two meters away from the boundary, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. We're sticking with the current rules. I think
the really hard thing is that until we see it
in legislation, everything that we're talking about at the moment
is a proposal, and it may well change between now

(42:28):
and we interviewed. Chris Pink was in the studio a
couple of weeks ago talking about in particular these what
they're calling SSD so simple standalone dwellings which will be
up to seventy square meters. You still need to inform
the council of what you're doing, and that's where perhaps
your issue around one corner of it being one point

(42:50):
one meters away from the boundary and the rest of
the building being more than two meters away. You may well,
get a dispensation for example for that. So typically if
it's less than a meter from the boundary, there's a
requirement for fire rating to ensure that if that building
fires up, that it won't or it's less likely to

(43:11):
impact a neighbor. So one point one meters technically means
that that's outside of that space, and if the rest
of the building is orientated further away, if it's not
parallel to the boundary, then you know the risk is smalling.
Council might accept that, but it becomes a planning question
rather than an actual building consent question as such. So

(43:34):
I think it's really important because I've heard from other
people as well that clients are requesting builders to start
building these now, and right now, you still require a
building consent for that type of work, So until it
becomes law, you still need to get a building consent.
Once it becomes law, which might be sometime, might be

(43:56):
towards the end of this year, but more likely to
be I think early next year, you just have to
hold fire on that. Very interesting to see how this goes.
It'd be really interesting to see what the demand is.
The other thing I've been thinking about with regard to
this in terms of, you know, sort of essentially not

(44:17):
having to get a building consent, and that should speed
things up, or that should make it easier to build,
et cetera, et cetera. Is I wonder whether people will
possibly ultimately choose to get a building consent for the
surety that that provides to a new purchaser when eventually

(44:37):
they go and sell that property. And you know, people
can hold onto property for a while, but very rare
that someone holds onto it forever. Right, So ultimately it's
going to get sold, at which time an eager eyed
lawyer is going to look through it and go, ah,
do you realize that you've got a building in your
backyard that doesn't have building consent? And even if you

(44:58):
could say yep, it didn't need one, would how would
you then prove that it is compliant with the building code,
that it's going to be a safe and sound building
if you don't have a building consent. And it's on
my to do list of this week is to go

(45:18):
to let's say some building surveys and go, if you
were to do inspections and provide a statement at the
end to say that this building is compliant with the
building code, what would that cost and would that necessarily
be cheaper than getting a building consent. It's going to
be a really interesting time coming up in the next week.

(45:40):
While oh wait, as it always is ten minutes after
seven you with peat Wolf Camp News Talk, se'd be
remember in the next hour we're actually going to be
talking with the winner of this week's Master Builders Apprentice
of the Year awards. So that I went out and
had to look at the practical challenge on Thursday. That
was really awesome. Then they do a series of interviews

(46:02):
on the Friday, and then the gala dinner was on
Friday night, and so we're talking to the master Builders
Apprentice of the Year, newly crowned. Do you get a crown?
I don't think so, but newly appointed Master Builders Apprentice
of the Year after eight o'clock this morning. Really looking
forward to that if you've got a question, Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Also a couple
of texts about earthquake strengthening and this is going to

(46:26):
have a significant impact, I think on people that might
own maybe old, well certainly older buildings, older masonry buildings,
older shop buildings, main streets and older parts of town.
So somewhere like Auckland where there's been a tremendous amount
of uncertainty as to the value of the building, given

(46:48):
that it would require significant seismic upgrade to get close
to new building code that seems to have been that
was changed, and I think it's a practical response to
what seems like a relatively low risk. Just on that
one quickly before we go to Graham Pete. Major problem
in the earthquake strengthening of Auckland costs so far five

(47:11):
hundred thousand dollars for each owner construction? What another one
hundred thousand dollars? What happens now that Auckland is no
longer on the register? Do they have to complete the
contract regardless? Can something be recovered? Will they still demand
a one hundred thousand dollars for a half done job? Gay,
That's a vastly complicated series of circumstances that you've just

(47:32):
outlined there. I think it's probably going to end up
with your lawyers. Is there going to be some compenation
for building owners that have undertaken earthquake strengthening that maybe
now wouldn't need to have done. It can't imagine. So
I just can't imagine. So is it a good thing
that you've done the work? Yes, it probably is. But

(47:56):
I can also understand that if you've committed yourself to
doing that work and now realize that perhaps you didn't
need to do all of that work, there would be
a certain sense of frustration. Oh eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty the number Graham, Good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (48:10):
Yeah, good, good morning. Peat.

Speaker 11 (48:13):
I was just listening to you talking to those.

Speaker 13 (48:15):
Guys about the code of compliance and so forth, and
I thought myself, stress, that's interesting. So I bought a
property a few years back off the Estates. That was
the place that we grew up and we were kids.
The old farm now the houses was built in nineteen

(48:36):
eighty one.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
And I was just.

Speaker 13 (48:40):
Going through the notes, and I've got the plans. I've
got all hand drawn plans. I've got all the handwritten
notes from the plumbers and the builder, and all the
expenses what it will cost. But there's nothing to do
with council paperwork once soever. So before I opened a huge.

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Council So yeah, all right, put your feet up, you've
got nothing more to do. So what you'll find is
that if that work was done in nineteen eighty one,
it would have a building permit. Building permits didn't require

(49:24):
and don't require today CCC. So what happened is in
the early nineteen nineties we change the Building Act to
introduce building consents, so BC so building consents were introduced.
Building consents then had attached to them a requirement to

(49:45):
get a Code Compliance Certificate a CCC, so work done
prior to them doesn't require them. So that's the short answer.
You just don't need work for that time. Now, if
there's any subsequent work that might have been done and
it had a building consent and the building consent doesn't
have a CCC, that's a different story. But there is

(50:05):
a very very clear cutoff point at which time things
that got building permits don't require them. Things that got
building consents do.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Right.

Speaker 13 (50:16):
So, for instance, I've just put a new roof on
the house. Now, the roofing guys, no one ever mentioned
anything about getting counsel approval. I just rang a bunch
of roofing company. They or Camenon did quote, and then
one of them, Kemon, did the job.

Speaker 7 (50:33):
So what you took off is what you put back on.

Speaker 13 (50:38):
No I had dipramatic tiles and now I've got long run.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Right, Yeah, there's some If my mate's listening, who's a
building server, he will text me and say you should
have had a building consent for that. And part of
it is about while they're both technically lightweight roofs, the
fact is the fixings are different. Right, So to prevent

(51:04):
uplift today, when you fixed a perlin onto a truss,
there's a particular requirement for hold downs. That's either going
to be like a blue screw or a Z nail.
I suppose you could do or I noticed the pasload
guys have got some special nails now that if you
put fire three of those down, that will give you

(51:24):
the hold down required. So, because it's then a structural
element to the building, that part of it would trigger
the requirement for a building consent. So if you can
prove that your contractors were aware of that, So what
would have happened is taken the dechromastic off, they would
have taken the batons off maybe or they've left them

(51:45):
in place, added new perlins three to two perlins and
those would have needed to be fixed down in accordance
to the building code. And then there would be some
building paper or some roofing paper and then the iron
over the top of it. So yeah, technically that might
have a require a building.

Speaker 13 (52:03):
So if I have a signed contract with a like
a reputable building company that's done the job, yep, and
what do I need to notify the council myself and go, oh,
by the way, this has got done.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
Yes, I tell you what. You raise a really interesting issue. So,
for example, if the roofing contractor is a licensed building practitioner,
which I presume they probably are, then under the Code
of Ethics for LBPS, which has been in place for
almost three years now, there is a requirement to act

(52:40):
professionally right, to give professional advice and to work within
the law. Now, I would have thought that by now
roofers would have sat down and said to each other
and to the if they're a part of the Roofing
Association or something like that, hey, look, you know, in
what instances do we need to offer professional advice to
a homeowner to say, hey, I'd love to come and

(53:01):
do the job. But by the way, it does require
a building consent, rather than just doing work possibly knowing
that it did need a building consent, but not advising
the homeowner of their responsibilities under the Building Act. So
that that's an interesting kind of debate that we could
be having at the moment around you know, I think

(53:23):
that as LBPS, if we're asked to do work that
we know requires a building consent, but we decide not
to get one or not to advise clients about doing it,
I think we're in breach of the Code of Ethics.
When did you have to work done well? I suppose

(53:44):
as a homeowner you have a responsibility, but then you know,
as a homeowner that's perhaps not o fay with the
Building Act. You rely on the professional advice of contractors
that you employ. And as part of the introduction of
the Code of Ethics for LBPS, it sets a standard
for how we should behave and one of those things

(54:05):
is around professional standards and around offering professional advice to
our clients and if they were aware and look, times
are tight, right, so people will be doing work at
the moment that they probably shouldn't do without a consent
and all the rest of it because they want to
keep working. I understand that, but it doesn't take away

(54:27):
from our new responsibilities under the Code of Ethics to
act responsibly.

Speaker 13 (54:34):
Yea, And yeah, being responsible would be telling the customer
what is required. I guess that's what they're right, So.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
That's kind of how I see it, and it's she
I've got there. You go surprisingly organized today. So I've
got the Code of Ethics in front of me, and
work safely, act within the law, take responsibility for your actions,
behave professionally. Those are the four key areas, and then

(55:08):
underneath that there's kind of a summary of about nineteen
different points. So yeah, I think that in that, Yeah,
you must comply with the law. So the building Code,
those sorts of things. We have a duty to report
breaches of that as well. As an LBP. Now we've

(55:33):
got to explain risks. Be knowledgeable about what you are
allowed to do. And I'm reading this directly from section three.
Make sure you know what is expected of you as
an LBP, in particular what your license class permits you
to do when conducting or supervising restricted building work. Carrying
out or supervising work that you are not licensed to
do may also breach that section. Duty to inform and

(55:58):
educate a client. Be accountable. Now, this is all stuff
now that's available. You can find this in five s
can is flat on the on the old interweb around
what their responsibilities are. So yeah, all right.

Speaker 13 (56:15):
Yeah, well it's just literally done now oh well okay,
so yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Now someone's text me and said, hey, look, you need
to get up to date with schedule one. No consent
required with that reroof light weight for light weight with
no consent required with respect to the person at text.
I'm not sure that everyone would agree with you, and
I'm sure that I'm going to get a text from
guys that I know who are building surveys going, because like,

(56:49):
if you had a Corrigo iron roof and you remove
the iron and you put new iron on, I think
that is like for like unfortunately, I think that taking
dechromastic roof off, which is relatively lightweight, but then having
to do the perlins, and the perlins are specifically designed
to prevent uplift, then that does trigger requirement for building consent.

(57:10):
But happy to discuss and argue.

Speaker 13 (57:14):
Would it be worth me bringing the counsel tomorrow and
saying this is.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
Absolutely absolutely Do you want to wow, okay or no?

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Well?

Speaker 7 (57:27):
Yeah, I mean the hard thing is once you open
that can, you know there's no putting the lid back on, right,
So maybe spend a bit of time doing a bit
of reading, or go back to your roofer and go, hey, look,
I've just had this chat with that prack on the
radio and he's told me that, you know, we maybe
needed a building consent for the work. Can you explain

(57:50):
why we don't need one?

Speaker 13 (57:52):
Or he might go, oh, didn't you read the terms
and conditions and in the fine print it ses responsible
for getting the building consent.

Speaker 7 (58:02):
And look, if that's in the terms and conditions, then
they are aware and they've snooked you, and but very
little that you could do about that. Let us know
how you get on. Okay, we're all the very best,
much appreciated, Nice to talk, all the best, Graham, take care. Fascinating, fascinating. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

(58:24):
when you take a break. It is twenty three minutes
after seven.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
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Speaker 3 (58:32):
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but it's actually protected for longer than even brand new jrawnry.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Right, So for body corporates who are managing perhaps dozens
of units, this isn't just a costmetic issue. This is
actually long term protection and cost savings.

Speaker 15 (59:29):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 14 (59:30):
So replacing jewnery on an entire apartment block costs hundreds
of thousands of dollars, but were nanoclear, we can recolor
to something different or restore what was originally there at
a fraction of the cost and have it last even longer.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
So what will it actually protect from and how long
does that last well.

Speaker 14 (59:47):
Nanoclare is sun UV and sea salt resistance, and we
live on an island surrounded by sea salt and then
the highest UV saturation in the world, so nanocaire is
actually the perfect remedy for our climate. It's also chemical
and solvent resistant and a lot harder than normal paint,
making it super hard to damage. And how long does
it lasts? Well, we guarantee it lasts for a decade,
but we always to last a lot longer than that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
So if you're involved with the body corporate, your work
is perfect because it not only makes the building look
really sharp, but it's also protecting the investment and it
may not require as much maintenance in the future.

Speaker 14 (01:00:19):
Yeah, exactly better. So body corporates tell us all the
time that they love the immediate list that it gets
for the appearance and the resale value in ten satisfaction
and then the peace of mind knowing that it will
stay protected for so far into the future.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
So do you guys just work with body corporates?

Speaker 14 (01:00:34):
Oh, necessarily work with homeowners and business owners and property
managers and anyone that has eliminimal color stee already that
they want to protect from corrosion.

Speaker 12 (01:00:41):
In the future.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
So it sounds like if you're in a body corporate
or you're on the committee and you're managing the department block,
it's worth a conversation with the team at Nanoclear. You'll
find them at nanoclear dot co dot nz.

Speaker 14 (01:00:55):
Yeah, that's Nanoclear dot co, doo and zed and you
can see everything we do in our hundreds of five
star reviews from normal everyday people.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Great talking with you, Jacob, Thank.

Speaker 14 (01:01:02):
You, thanks better, I love your work.

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Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
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Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Right bang on seven thirty. Let's get amongst it. Kevin,
good morning.

Speaker 16 (01:02:19):
Good morning, beat Hey, how you doing, come mad?

Speaker 13 (01:02:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:02:23):
I plan living kitchen, lounge. Yes, west facing window.

Speaker 12 (01:02:27):
Yes, in the lounge.

Speaker 16 (01:02:29):
So on a good sunny day in the winter, I
can get it. With a nets pulled back, I can
get it up to twenty three degrees.

Speaker 7 (01:02:38):
Gotcha.

Speaker 16 (01:02:38):
So my question is this, if that was double glazed,
what would the story be.

Speaker 7 (01:02:47):
It depends. One of the things I and I do
quite a bit of work with Metro Performance Class who
make double glazing.

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
So one of the things that I think the next
story to tell about double glazing is that you can
get it to do different things depending on what your
requirements are. So Typically when we think about double blas,
we're thinking about heat retention. Right. We realize that heat
will dissipate through a single glazed unit and our houses

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will get colder in winter. Therefore, we want to trap
that heat inside. So we're going to orientate the thermal
resistance let's say, inside, so that we trap that heat. Now,
in your situation, you might be saying, in fact, I
don't mind if the heat goes out. What I, or

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more importantly so, is your concern around keeping heat in
or keeping heat out in summer time. Okay, so in
that sense, there yes, putting double glazing in, doing like
a low e coating, which will then push that heat
back inside or stop it escaping at the same rate,

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will help make that space warmer. If you've got insulation
in the walls, if you've got half decent joinery, if
you've done some insulation into the ceiling, if it's successible
those sorts of things. Your weak spot will be your glazing. Right,
So simply taking out your single glazing adding in double glazing,
it'll be at a rough guess, at least seven times

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more thermally efficient than your single glazing with that.

Speaker 16 (01:04:22):
So what if it's twenty three degrees now? Yes, well
in the winter, what do you reckon degrees would be
with the double glazing.

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
Well, I think it's more a question of in order
to get to twenty three degrees in winter. Right now,
you've probably got the heater is going and that sort
of thing, right and your heat loss. You will lose
a lot of heat. You'll still be able to get
to twenty three degrees, but you need a lot of
energy to do it.

Speaker 16 (01:04:48):
I'm not using the heater.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
So how does the house get to twenty three degrees? Simply?

Speaker 16 (01:04:53):
Because well, just what the sudden Like, as I say,
on a good sunny day in the winter, it gets
up to twenty three on its own, and then I
just before the sun goes down, I pull all the
drape and I've got twenty three degrees and with an
overnight low five yes, I only lose five degrees overnight, So.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
It's about eighteen degrees let's say overnight, which is chilly
but not uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:05:21):
So I guess if you wanted to keep let's say
your house at around twenty degrees overnight, then adding the
double glazing will be that difference potentially between it dropping
down losing heat and dropping down to about eighteen degrees
and perhaps being able to maintain nineteen or twenty degrees overnight.

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It's simply about heat retention in your instance.

Speaker 16 (01:05:47):
Now I've got a little chip for cleaning the flue.
Would you like to know? Go for it? Okay? So
I bought a bush years ago at Minter ten for
about thirty six dollars, and then I put it in
a piece of fifteen mill, put a little bolt through

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that through the end of it, and then that's about
six hundred long at fifteen mil, and I've got it
into twenty five mil piece of alkathine, so I can't fire.
I'm talking about pull the bapple out and shove this
up and one shove up, one shove back, and one

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more up and down, and your chimney's clean.

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
So what do you do with the dust that you collect?
Do you have a vacuum cleaner on standby and sort
of suck that dust out at the same time.

Speaker 16 (01:06:42):
I just do it slow, so really you don't get
any rights. And then there's a couple of mill of sot,
a couple of leaders, well leader and a half depends
if you're using your fire like every day. You've got
a leader and a half of as an average.

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
So now now that you've mentioned you've got a fire,
just quickly, when you warming your house in winter, are
you using the fire?

Speaker 16 (01:07:11):
Yeah, but that's after the sun goes down.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Yes, okay, but then part of your house staying at
eighteen twenty degrees is because you've got the fire on
as well. No, no, no, no, without the fire yeah, okay. Interesting.

Speaker 16 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I've hardly used a fire this winter. Yeah, and yeah, you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Know, I mean the great thing is what you're describing
is kind of best practice in the sense that if
you've got some drapes and that's why older houses often
had drapes and often had pelmets, right, So if you've
got some drapes that go from above the window down
to the floor ideally, and they actually drape onto the floor,
and you've got a palmet at the top which stops

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air circulating around a little bit, then that's really good practice. So,
you know, I suppose part of the challenge is that
one of the issues I think that we've got is
that not everyone knows how to use their house. If
I'm really blunt and so people leave their windows open
past that point where it's sort of the inflection between

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it being warm inside and warm outside, and then they
get all of that heat loss and that last part
of the day because they they're not active in managing
their environment by simply closing the curtains. So at that point,
that's where double glazing helps you out. But look, we
know the evidence double glazing works. Appreciate you call Kevin,
Thank you very very much. At A seven eighty six

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here at Newstalk set b Bob talk to me.

Speaker 17 (01:08:37):
Yes, good Peter Freezing give me some worries.

Speaker 7 (01:08:41):
I don't mean to I don't.

Speaker 17 (01:08:43):
Oh, I listened to you every day. No, the gentleman
built his house in the nineteen eighties. Yes, and see
needs it. Put your feet up. My house was completed
in nineteen ninety six. Yep, and nothing's changed. I still
have an old fellow. Now, I've got the paperwork of
what was done and when it was done. But codes

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of implant Yes, would there have been the builders? I
remember people coming around looking at the house. I'm sure
they were.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
The council inspectors.

Speaker 17 (01:09:15):
But where would they Would they have given the code
of compliance to the builder. Well, I haven't gott it.
Would he have been responsible for lodging over them? It's
just a question.

Speaker 7 (01:09:25):
Yeah. Sure, it depends a little bit on when the
Let's say you started building in the nineteen eighties and
you didn't finish until nineteen ninety six. What you might
find when you go through the paperwork is that you've
got a building permit, right, and building permits didn't require

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a CCC. So in that sense, if you've got a
building permit, what.

Speaker 16 (01:09:54):
You would we do?

Speaker 17 (01:09:56):
This building was built in ninety six, beginning began and
beginning in ninety six for ninety six, Yeah, okay. And
I'm just wondering should I go to the council and say, look,
if I don't tend to sell, ibe iy get taken
out of their box because I love it fair enough
somebody else's responsibility. And I'm just should I go to

(01:10:18):
the council and say, look, if when I die in
my house are sold? Are there any issues?

Speaker 10 (01:10:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
I mean look, you could request the property file, yeah,
and that will give you an indication of what might
be outstanding. Certainly, if the work was undertaken in ninety
ninety six, then it would have been a building consent
and a building consent should have a CCC. If there

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is some paper trail that indicates that you had most
of the inspections done, that would be helpful if it
maybe I think what happens in many many cases is
people get to the final inspection. There's a couple of
things on the final inspection that they have to do.
By that time, everyone's sick of the process and it
goes into the raw and nobody thinks about it again.

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And maybe that's the case, in which case you'll need
to redo the final inspection. That can be a bit
tricky because there might be new regulations that you have
to comply with if you do want to get it
sorted out, I think it's the sort of thing that
you'd go to again, a building surveyor right. That's not

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necessarily going to be a cheap process, but it will
get you a resolution to this.

Speaker 17 (01:11:35):
Property file.

Speaker 7 (01:11:36):
Ask for the property file, get someone that you know
to review it for you, or you have a look
through see what the documentation is. You might find that
counsel are actually quite helpful depending on where you are,
and they'll be able to tell you what's missing and
then you can make a decision as to do. I
want to sort this out now, or shall I just

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leave it and it's somebody else's job later on and.

Speaker 17 (01:12:00):
When I'm gone at somebody else's job.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
You can take both approaches, can't you exactly? Hey, let
us know how you get on all the best of you, Bob.
You take care see then, oh wait, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty taking your calls. A lot of calls
around this whole thing around building consents. I've got a
truckload of texts around whether or not things like replacing

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the roof requires a building consent. So here's one exempt example.
One the owner replaces an old clay tile roof with
a profiled metal roof such as long run or press
metal tiles in the same position. Scenario two, the owner
replaces twenty year old profile metal roof cladding where that
cladding has achieved its Building Code durability requirement I it's

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lasted more than fifteen years, and the replacement cladding is
comparable such as a metal roof. So that's from Bob,
so exempt. See I'm not sure which one, Bob you
mean is exempt. I would have thought that the swapping
from an old clay tile roof with a profiled metal
roof would require a consent. The second one twenty year
old roof cladding that's last. So this is another requirement

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if you do work that's repairing or replacing products that
should have lasted long than their code requirement. I so
metal roofing we expect to last fifteen years. If you
replace that roof within ten years because it's failed, that
triggers a requirement for building consent if you replace it
sixteen years after it was installed or CCC was issued.

(01:13:33):
I suppose then it doesn't. That's exempt.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
It's like for like.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
So what is like for like? Pete, you would not
make a lawyer. True, you have presumed that the roofing
company knew that they needed a building consent and didn't
get one. They possibly think they don't need one, and
I agree with them. I did the same type of
job and Wellington Council only wanted to expect the new
roof over the extension. The reroof over the existing house
was treated like for like, but they did ask for

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a photo of the Perlin screws from Bentley. I hear
what you're saying, but I think that in terms of
the Code of Ethics now for LBPS, we are being
held to a higher account. And so if you know
as an LBP, as part of your professional development, you're
learning that a building consent is required for this type

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of work. You have a right or a duty to
inform the purople that are contracting you to do that work.
That's my point. But I hear what you're saying, Bentley,
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty, will take
a short break. It is seven forty two.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 7 (01:14:41):
Couple of quick texts, Pete, I put retro double glazing
through the house three weeks ago. The temperatures up three
degrees already from Colleen. So that was off the back
of the comments from Kevin about you know what impact
the double glazing might have. So thanks for that, Colleen.
That's awesome. Hey, Pete, read the reroof job. No one's

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allowed to start consentable works without a building consent. The
roofers should have made the owner of a aware of that,
which would have triggered the owner requiring a building consent.
Now this is really interesting too. Just on this one
as well, Morning Peak. We recently replaced a concrete tile
roof with long run color steel or long run iron.
We got six quotes. All of them were specifically asked

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if a building consent was required, and all of them
said no, some citing that because they had an LVP
running the job, it wasn't required. All perlins were replaced
and fixed. Things were done to the roof trusses and
to the top of the wallplate chairs. From Nick, I'll
go and get a bit of advice on this because

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I finding this a fascinating discussion about whether or not
a building consent is actually required for this type of work.
So I've actually due to meet with some council inspectors
later on this week, and I will reach out to
a couple of building consent specialists as well around that.
But thank you very much for that text, Nick, Around

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six quotes. All of them were specifically asked whether or
not a building consent was required, and all of them
said no because an lbp's doing the work. I'll just
leave it there and well, I'll do some research this week.
I promise it is seven forty seven news Dogs'd be
joining us this morning, is Nick Shanks from OTC Projects,

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specializing in commercial, industrial, and large scale residential development and
construction based up in the beautiful Green Bay round, Fanada. Now,
Chris Maskell, who was chatting with the other day from Duken,
tells me that you've used actually a decent amount of
triboard to line your latest projects.

Speaker 15 (01:16:44):
Yeah, that's that's correct, Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Yeah, Now these are large scale developments. So at this
way para para drive project, how many square medias do
you reckon? You've used?

Speaker 11 (01:16:55):
All up?

Speaker 15 (01:16:55):
We were we were a tick over four thousand, six
hundred square meters.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (01:17:01):
Yeah, it was a fair It was a fair bit.
And please don't ask me the totality of speak, but
they couldn't tell you. There's been a fair bit of it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
So, I mean, that's that's a lot I'm thinking about,
you know, in an average section. But that's okay, that's
a lot of tri of the jn L triboard. Hey,
In terms of using it as a ligning option, what
sparked your interest?

Speaker 15 (01:17:23):
Well, I previously have had quite a bit of experience
with the product, so I'm very familiar with it, and
this particular project called for quite an intense sort of
pre construction and developed design phase, and it was one
one one was one particular product that jumped into mine
and the type of use being essentially fifteen industrial units,

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commercial units warehouse space is in this building. It seemed
like an obvious choice and it was really came down
to the durability of the product and the versatility, and
it took a lot of boxes and ultimately was a
product we chose to go with.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Yeah, So in terms of link for the triboard, I'm
thinking industrial, you want those slightly longer links. Was that
part of the choice.

Speaker 15 (01:18:11):
Yeah, Yeah, that's true. For the warehouse space is the
full height like walls and tendency walls and those warehouse wars.
We went with the three points six by one point
two sheet peep for that particular reason, but we also
incorporated the three seven forty by four hundred tongue groove
plank as well, and that was for the outside of

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the office to warehouse junction wall, just to still create
and maintain that level of versatility and durability, but give
it a slightly higher finish and it really worked well.

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
I've used it bosself. It's really smart. So in terms
of the installation and comparing to other materials.

Speaker 15 (01:18:50):
No dramas, no, no, none whatsoever. Made to be honest,
I would say it's comparable with most of the timber
sheet products. Yeah, no dramas at all. It's once you get,
like anything, once you get that system in place and
you put the trust in the skill set of your
carpenters into a system and it goes up very efficiently.

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
So in terms of fixing the tribe, what was what
was the process that you guys used.

Speaker 15 (01:19:13):
Well, we had three different substrates. We actually had some
cold form girts which were a part of the primary structure,
the superstructure, and then we had one point one five
steel gauge or gauge steel stud and we also had
timber battons overlaid onto some of the girts. And it
was all very specific to each type of each elevation. Sure, again,

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it's just finding the right type of fixing, which we found.
It wasn't a daunting proposition whatsoever. There was multiple options
and it ultimately achieved the desired result.

Speaker 7 (01:19:46):
And in terms of coating, what what did you opt for?

Speaker 15 (01:19:49):
So again we had two we had two types of
finishes we went were a polyurethane finish for the warehouse spaces,
and just just for the reason that it wasn't going
to show up marks as much, it wouldn't scuff as badly,
and it actually presented a really high level finish. And
then for the tongue and groove on the outside of
the offices, we went with a three coat paint system, which,

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not surprisingly with that in their skin.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
Comes up really good, doesn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:20:18):
It really does make Yes super impressive. Couldn't be happier
with it, And there's a few people talking about this project,
which is pleasing lovely hate.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
Now for OTC projects, what's on the horizon, We've.

Speaker 15 (01:20:30):
Got a fairly diverse range of project at the moment, Pete.
We've got we're doing commercial retail fit outs, design and
build on some industrial units, and even hoping to get
a couple of slams down on some entry level like
picture homes. So yeah, we're trying to remain diverse, and

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I think that's the strength of ours in this current climate,
but equally still focusing on our bread and butter, but
just trying to keep our eyes wide open and stay
open to any market opportunities. And I'm really happy we
were at the moment made and excited about twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:21:07):
Six and a little bit of optimism goes a long way.
It's it's been tough, but it sounds like you guys
are doing great. Thanks very much for your time this morning, Nick,
that was awesome. If you want to check out more
about OTC projects, go to Otcprojects dot co dot n z.
To find out more about triboard go to Janel dot

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co dot nz.

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Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
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Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
We're coming up to the news top of the hour
at eight o'clock. After the news brief conversation with the winner,
Young Feller. There you go. There's a hint who won
the Apprentice of the Year competition that's been an Auckland
on Thursday Friday. I popped out there on Thursday to see.
There's a practical component to it. So to get to
the finals you need to have competed in your regional

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finals around the country through the Master Builders Association. When
you come up to Auckland and they had to build
it would have been about two and a half two
meters long, about fifteen hundred high a playhouse that's in
the shape of a locomotive, so it had a little
chimney stack on it. It had a curved bonnet on

(01:22:23):
the front you could step in an out of. It
had little wheels on the side. There was an interesting
little project to do, particularly when there's literally hundreds of
people watching you work and you've got a timeline and
you know you're going to be judged at the end
of it. Anyway, we're talking to the winner after the
break and unc charmit as well. The CEO from Master

(01:22:43):
Builders after the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
News met twice God was but maybe called Pete first
for your walkab the resident Builder News Talk said, be.

Speaker 7 (01:22:52):
Your news Talk said b it is six minutes after eleven.
Thanks to you again for those texts that have come in.
I've had all sorts of opinions about the whole reroofing thing.
People have sent me links to various pieces of legislation.
I will set aside a bit of time this week
to try and get a definitive answer. It's kind of

(01:23:13):
even crazy to think that we can't get a definitive
answer on this, that there are so many opinions. But
either way, I will talk to a couple of people
and do a bit of research, will come back and
have a bit of a chat around that. Now I'm
having trouble texting back to Keith who text through quite
early on about a coating. We mentioned this on the program.

(01:23:34):
Dash is the item that you might find useful, so
D A c. H. It's a coating that goes over
the top. In some cases you can do it yourself
as well. A couple of interesting texts around the person
that got six quotes for one job, and followed up
by a person that said, gee, I hope that the

(01:23:55):
person that got the six quotes paid for them. How frustrating.
I kind of get what you're saying, but either way,
that's an interesting one. And then a bit about the
double glazing and its effectiveness as well. Again, thank you
Collen for sending that through. Now. It was my pleasure
on Thursday, very briefly to pop into the cloud down
on Auckland's waterfront to see a bunch of young apprentices

(01:24:18):
from around the country beavering away on this project which
was trying to describe it for you. Imagine a locomotive,
right so, with a chimney at the front or a
funnel at the front kind of driver's cab that you
could hop into. These are going to be playhouses for
early childcare centers. Each of the centers was sort of

(01:24:40):
a fan club for individual competitors. It was a fairly
tricky little build. We'll find out just how tricky it
was in just a moment. But it is my great
pleasure to welcome to the show un Chama from Master
Builders Chief executive. Very good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Unkind, Good morning creating show.

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
Hey, now just quickly before we talk to the winner.
How long have Master Builders been running this Apprentice of
the Year competition.

Speaker 18 (01:25:06):
We've been running this for over twenty two years.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
Wow. And the process to get to the final is what.

Speaker 18 (01:25:15):
So apprentices go to their regional competition. So we had
I think seven regional competitions and they have to submit
a project they've worked on. As a part of that,
they get interview and they go you know, judges will
go to the workplace and interview their employers. They look
at their product knowledge and then they do a practical
so I think, and the reasons they build a planter

(01:25:37):
box and from that we identify the seven winners from
all the regions and then they come to the national competition,
and National starts with the practical which you mentioned on Thursday,
so they amazing project to do whole day. So I
think they get half an hour to work through their
plans and seven hours to build that right, And so

(01:25:58):
that was Thursday. Then on Friday the judges go through
another real live project they've submitted and discuss the project
and the role that printers have played in the project.
They also look at their technical knowledge and skills, yes,
and they spend a lot of time looking at their
soft skills, their leadership skills, how they're communicating with their

(01:26:19):
bosses and other peers. And the combination of the practical
bill and the interviews on Friday, and then we decided
the winners for the Prince of there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
So it is my great pleasure now to welcome to
the show as well, Josh Gallery, who is the winner.
Congratulations Josh, thank you very much.

Speaker 8 (01:26:39):
Peter, thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
Yeah, no, it's a real pleasure. So again listening to
what was talking about there, so obviously to get to
the nationals, you had to win your regional final, which
you did. How did you find the process on the
Thursday working? I mean, we're all used to working with
people watching us, but not necessarily that many people watching you.

Speaker 8 (01:27:01):
Yeah, so thankfully after my first mark and cut on
the timber, I kind of just had to lock. And
then from that point I just didn't even bother looking
up until about block when I saw the kids walk
in from this so I'll care centers.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
So a little bit about you, Josh your It seems
like the Wye cutto does a particularly good job, because
I think last year's Apprentice of the Year winner also
came from the White cuttle. What got you into building
in the first place.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
So I was nearing the end of school when I
already canceled out university, and I just thought that apprenticeship
would be a good idea because I'll be able to
earn and learn at the same time.

Speaker 7 (01:27:48):
Oh, how fantastic. And that was That's kind of a
key driver because I know for lots of people going
on to training after school often it's you know, university,
it's the possibility of a student loan and that sort
of thing. So the thought about training and not having
to do that earning as you learn was quite attractive.

Speaker 8 (01:28:06):
Yeah, it definitely was.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
It definitely was. And what about choosing who you did
your apprenticeship with, Like, did you do a bit of
research around which building company you wanted to work for?
Did you have a was it a family connection or
a friend.

Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
At the start I was doing, I was dabbling with
a little bit of family friends, sure, seeing what sort
of apprenticeship I wanted. I even tried a bit of
plumbing for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
I ended up settling with carpentry apprenticeship, and I moved
over to Hamilton to be closer to my other family.

Speaker 7 (01:28:37):
Yes, And so how when did you start your apprenticeship.

Speaker 8 (01:28:42):
I started in twenty twenty two, at the start of
twenty two.

Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
Okay, And you'll finish, You'll finish now, you'll finish shortly.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Yeah, I'm really close. I'm about ninety six percent through.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
Okay, and this is just the last bits of the
paperwork to get sorted out, maybe a final assessment of
the practical yep. So within the firm that you're working,
are they starting to give you a bit more responsibility? Now?
Are you running any jobs or getting close to running
some jobs?

Speaker 16 (01:29:11):
So?

Speaker 8 (01:29:11):
Yeah, Fortunately, just before the regionals, I progressed into a
foreman role and I had the opportunity to construct a
new build for my director of the company, so he
had a rental building that he wanted to put up.
So I was taking full lead on that one.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
Which is, you know, a pretty impressive task for someone
who's you know, relatively young and coming to the end
of your apprenticeship. To be able to give to have
the opportunity to run a build from beginning to end,
I think is tremendous.

Speaker 8 (01:29:43):
Yeah, yeah, I just love it. I love the responsibility.

Speaker 7 (01:29:47):
Excellent. Actually, that's a fantastic thing to hear, I have
to say. And in terms of going forward, Josh, for you,
what does you know, what do you think Josh would
be doing as a carpenter in ten years time and
a twenty years time, in thirty years time, because man,
I'm getting close to forty years in this game. So
what are you see ahead of you?

Speaker 8 (01:30:08):
So for the short while seeing myself, I guess progressing
into a bit of a project manager role and then
I'm eventually moving into a directive moment my own company.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
Yep. And in terms of you know, because there's a
big step between sort of being a good trades person,
which it sounds like you are and are on your
way to and then the business owner side of things,
so the business side of it that appeals to you
as well.

Speaker 8 (01:30:34):
Yes, definitely, I already own. I'm co director of another
business with my partner at the moment, so just another
one would be even better.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
And going back to the competition, you know, in terms
of like the practical thing, how did you go and
how did you like? Were you streets ahead of the others,
were they chasing your tail? How did that work? How
did that feel? At the start?

Speaker 8 (01:30:58):
I felt like I was falling behind a bit because
after the thirty minute kind of grace period at the start,
a few of the boys started erecting their frames, and yes,
I had prefab my frames on the ground, so it
looked like visually I was a little bit before. But
then about thirty minutes later, I just erected all my

(01:31:20):
frames at the same time, and I just had a
good flow going on. Yes, And to be honest, I
couldn't see if I was ahead or not. It could
have been anyone's game at that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
And because I came along sort of, I got there
around two o'clock, so you know, most of the frames
were up, but I was looking at that thinking I
wonder how many of them took the time, didn't sort
of get panicked and start framing up straight away, that
you take the time prefab everything and then assemble rather
than kind of a different approach, which is I'll build
it as I go type thing. So it sounds like

(01:31:55):
you had a strategy.

Speaker 8 (01:31:57):
Yeah, definitely, I had a good system going and knowing
that most of the frames were mirrored or ideas, I
could have just framed up and then laid my timber
on top and brilliant.

Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
But to get the next one as well, brilliant. Hey,
And again, just thinking about you going forward in the trade,
is there a particular part of construction that you're interested in?

Speaker 8 (01:32:19):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
I mean there's there's a lot of talk around high
performance homes for example. Is that something you're interested in.

Speaker 8 (01:32:25):
I haven't done too much research on passive homes, but
that definitely does spark an interest in me. Sure, I
do like the thought of residential construction as well. So
just doing lots of reno's and alterations as well, it
keeps the brain ticking along.

Speaker 7 (01:32:41):
Yeah, absolutely, And you're right, it's it is a bit
of a balance. You've got to have the technical skills,
but increasingly. I think, you know, for young people getting
into the trades, there's that competency around legislation, understanding plans,
project management, business administration, those sorts of things which I
think you need that balance between the two.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
Yeah, one hundred percent where you have to know about
plans to get the construction going.

Speaker 7 (01:33:07):
Absolutely. Hey, congratulations, Josh, well done. And I think it's
you know, it's something that will stay with you. I
think to be able to say, hey, I was Master
Builders Apprentice of the Year twenty twenty five is tremendous
recognition of the work that you do. So congratulations mate.

Speaker 8 (01:33:25):
Thank you so much. Peters there also, can I also
just point out the end of Mental Health Week, so
just yeah, making sure that we're at least I'm staying
in touch with our fellow boys and girls on site
and the small just just go a long way.

Speaker 7 (01:33:41):
You're one hundred percent right, and that's where things like
the Mates and Construction Organization do such good work in
that space. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:33:49):
Correct, it's a lucrative industry out here. Sometimes can be
cut through it. So yeah, just knowing what our fellow
guys are going through because you're probably seeing them more
than you do your own family.

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and look to be fair on site.
There's often a lot of oh, there can be a
bit of agro and there can be a bit of
sort of stern words. There's not a lot of cuddles
on site. A yeah, you look after yourself. All the
very best to you. And what a tremendous young fellow. Delighted,

(01:34:20):
wouldn't you we are.

Speaker 18 (01:34:22):
We're really proud of Josh. I think he truly deserves
the title and everything he's just said. He's got an
exciting creative him.

Speaker 7 (01:34:30):
Yeah, I think so too. Hey mate, we're looking forward
to catching up with you because you've got a new
initiative as well around actually something that we were talking
about earlier, the responsibility for us as lbp's to discuss
and to inform our clients. So we'll have a chat
about that next week.

Speaker 18 (01:34:47):
A sounds great. I look forward look.

Speaker 7 (01:34:49):
Forward to it, Take care and get all the best
by then. So that was Josh Gully Gallery and he's
Apprentice of the Year. That's the Master Builders Competition ward.
An outstanding young man. I think you know, if you
look at the quality of the apprentices that are coming through,
those of us who perhaps are at one end of
the building career. And I know that grumpy old guys

(01:35:13):
like me tend to go I don't know, you know,
young fellas today or young people today, the blah blah
blah blah blah blah. But you listen to someone like Josh.
He's got his act together and he'll be a fantastic
tradesman carpenter and that's great for all of us going forward.
It is eighteen minutes after eight your news talk SEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Doing other house storting the garden asked Pete for a
hand the resident builder with Peter wolfkep call eight hundred
eighty us talk edby just.

Speaker 7 (01:35:40):
Off the back of that conversation with Josh, who was
the Apprentice of the Year winner. This is the Master
Builders competition. I got this text from Muzz who texts
him reasonably frequently, which is delightful. Pete, I got Apprentice
of the Year in the nineteen nineties as a bricklayer
and one what they call the golden trowel. I taleil
now mostly, but honestly, it was one of the best

(01:36:03):
things I did as an apprentice to boost my confidence.
Thanks mus for that. It's awesome. The golden trowel oh,
you can imagine it. That's awesome, muz, thank you very much.
And a couple of other people texting through going gee,
what what an awesome young guy, Young Josh is so
good on you. Well done. Oh eight one hundred and

(01:36:23):
eighty ten eighty is the number to call Heather, good morning.

Speaker 11 (01:36:28):
Oh high peece Hi there Hi.

Speaker 19 (01:36:30):
I'm looking at purchasing a brick and tile, very sound property.
But in the further terms of sale it says the
picture through acknowledge is of the bathroom. Shower was retiled
as part of the light for Light renovation carried out
by the previous owners. No building Consent Code of compliance
was attained, which involved for retiling, which involved retiling and

(01:36:55):
waterproofing in the existing shower location with no change to plumbing,
layout or structural elements. I'm sort of just wondering if
who I should get to. I'm actually not going to
get a builder's report. It's pretty okay, but I'm not
hugely worried about it. But if I'm successful at getting it,

(01:37:17):
who should I get to check it? And if there
is a problem, is it a major to turn around
and retile it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:26):
Right again? It's sort of multifaceted the issues there. It's
one of those things like, genuinely, I don't want to
make things more complicated than they are, but at the
same time, these things can be a little bit complicated,
and there seems to be a difference of opinion. So
how old's the building nineteen seventies, So the tiling work late, Okay,

(01:37:53):
So when it got consented way back, or when it
got a building permit way back, it wouldn't have had
a tile shower. So the tile shower was done sometime
in the last fifteen or twenty years.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
Yeah, I would say, so, yeah, okay, at.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
That time it probably should have had a building consent.
Now it might not have got one. So the fact
that someone has retiled into an existing one doesn't alter
the fact that it never got a consent in the
first place.

Speaker 19 (01:38:26):
Well, what makes you think it could get Well, look, if.

Speaker 7 (01:38:30):
It did get a consent, is there in the property
file or in the limb. Well, in the limb it
should state clearly. You go through and you'll find the
building consent for tiles and or or for bathroom alteration, right,
And if that's in the limb, then it will also

(01:38:51):
have attached to it. CCC issued or maybe not issued.
So if, for example, if you read through the limb
and it goes, you know, alterations for a bathroom limb issued,
no problem, and I think then it's it's relatively low
risk in terms of someone retiling that shower. Other people
would probably argue for good reason that redoing the shower,

(01:39:16):
if you did it within fifteen years of the original consent,
would indicate that possibly there's been a failure of the
waterproofing system, and therefore it can't be considered maintenance. It's
new building work to address a failure. So again that's
part of that complexity.

Speaker 19 (01:39:35):
There can I just say it says no building consent
or Code and Science certificate was obtained for the retiling
work which involved the retiling and waterproofing and the existing
shower location. Yeah, and it was difficult for a like
for like renovation because I noticed it, like the bathroom

(01:39:56):
looks renovated.

Speaker 10 (01:39:57):
It's all these.

Speaker 19 (01:39:59):
Dark brown task but shower is actually black. Right, I've
tried to match it.

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
It would be interesting to know whether they tiled over
the existing tiles or whether they removed the old tiles
to replace it with the black ones that you see
and you'd be able to tell that there might be
a little step out or something like that, because again,
you know, the concern is that when you remove tiles
from a waterproof surface, you're going to damage the waterproofing, right,

(01:40:29):
there's no practical way to do that, in which case
then you've compromised the waterproofing. So we all want to
make sure that the waterproofing works properly, and often the
process for that is to ensure that you have a
building consent and a building inspection. The inspector looks at it,
signs off the waterproofing and says that's up to building code,
go ahead and tile. So if you don't have that

(01:40:51):
part of the puzzle, then there's always a question mark.
You know, did they just pull the tiles off and
whack new tiles on? Do I know that the waterproofing
is in good condition? You know what might give you
some surety is if the person who did the work
issued a producer statement and attached to that information about

(01:41:12):
the waterproofing that they used and some evidence that they
did the work in compliance with the building coat. Then
you'd feel a bit more sure about that. And also
you could use that if you did want to go
to council and formalize this and go, here's the evidence
that it was done in accordance with the building code.

Speaker 19 (01:41:30):
Right, they involved retailing and waterproofing.

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
Yes, What would be interesting is if that work was
done and how long ago do you think that that
most recent work was done.

Speaker 19 (01:41:43):
Yeah, I think these people have had it for.

Speaker 12 (01:41:46):
Quite a what seven years or something?

Speaker 19 (01:41:49):
Yeah, I'm I'm entirely sure. Actually, but the previous owners,
not the people that I'm buying it off.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
Yeah, sure, yep.

Speaker 18 (01:41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41:59):
Again, you know, maybe they've got some information about who
did the work, what type of waterproofing. Maybe they even
had a photograph of the waterproofing, which would be really
really useful.

Speaker 19 (01:42:12):
Yes, when you say whether they pulled it off and
just retiled of whether they retailed over the top, is
it better to actually just retil over the top because
then you're not interfering with the waterproofing underneath.

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
That would be one approach, you know, So you go, Actually,
the biggest risk is when you're taking the tiles off,
you're going to compromise the waterproofing. Now, if you strip
all the tiles off and you clean off all of
the existing waterproofing and you re waterproof from a clean substrate,
you'll get a really good job. But it's possible that

(01:42:43):
someone just pops the tiles off. You know the waterproofing's
a bit damaged, Well, it'll be okay, and I'll just
tile over the top. Whereas you know, if the old
tile stayed there and you put a new layer over
the top, as long as the adhesion's good, you know
that you haven't compromised the waterproofing. And if the waterproofing
isn't the reason for the change. I had a leak
and there's water puling on the other side of the wall,

(01:43:05):
then again you can be fairly confident. And then in
that sense you would also be quite clear that that
work wouldn't require a building consent because you haven't compromised
the water preffing. So different approach. But I think given
that the work, you know, I'd go back through the
agent and go is there any evidence that the work

(01:43:27):
of any evidence that the work was done in accordance
with the building code?

Speaker 12 (01:43:32):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
And if I wanted to.

Speaker 19 (01:43:35):
Do I get a plumber or a moisture.

Speaker 7 (01:43:39):
I would probably get a suitably qualified pre purchase inspector
to come and do it. And you could do if
you can get access to the walls behind the shower,
for example, if it's a hallway or a bedroom or
laundry or whatever it is, you could do. You could
take some moisture readings. Is it onto a concrete slab
or onto a timber floors? Okay I'm not sure again,

(01:44:02):
you know, it sort of changes the risk. If it's
timber floor, that's great because you can crawl on the
floor and lock up and see whether it's leaking. If
it's onto a concrete slab, then you really need to
do some moisture testing to see what might be happening.
So a moisture test probably not a bad idea in
that instance. All the very best to you, Heather, take care,
nice to chat all of this hate before we jump

(01:44:24):
into the garden again. Lovely text from Trish Pete. What
an inspirational young man Josh is. He is everything that
is good in Kiwi's humble, hard working thinking of others.
With his advice to look out for your workmates mental health,
I was blowing away. Thanks for having him on the show, Trish. Likewise,

(01:44:44):
I think he's a tremendous young man who will do
incredibly well and you're right. He is the best of us. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Let's jump into the garden.
A red climb pasted on standby. We're into the garden.

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