HE DUMPED YOU AFTER YOU CONVERTED? ft. Stef Dag

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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flooding your horny and your shame. Hey, it's what yeah, okay,
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all their copycap podcasts, you know, part of our festival.
So we'll make the original one part of the festival too.
We're like, thank you, Yes, we appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes, it's going to be it's the biggest show we've
ever done in Los Angeles. Yes, we're very excited about it,
and it's gonna be epic, and so we want to
sell it out before the show happens, right because all
y'all La people love you, love you boy you last
minute huh with the ticket sales are good? Could be better. Yeah,
we're not until every Yeah, you're not. You're not making

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it this May. It's Saturday night. I mean, it's just
not What are you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
What?

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a date, you go to say, hey, do you ever
heard of this podcast called Guys?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
We fucked what?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, they're doing a live show in La May eleventh,
Saturday night, thirty five thirty Regent Theater.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Would you want to go? And that's a good idea.
That's a good man, It's a really good idea. A
good man, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, as a
man who cares about women's thoughts. So we'll see you there, yep.
And also I'll see you on the Eye of the
Tiger Tour twenty twenty four. We just completed Leg one
of the tour. Me Chloe Leabranch. It's a fun time.

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Let's keep the energy going.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
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May second, Portland, Oregon, May fourteenth, San Francisco May fifteenth,
Sacramento May sixteenth, Seattle, Washington, May seventeenth, and two added
shows on Saturday, May eighteenth, Houston, Texas, June twenty seventh,
Austin June twenty eighth and twenty ninth, and rounding it

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out with Salt Lake City, Utah, on September twenty sixth.
Tickets available at Corinfisher dot com or in the linktree
link in any of my social media bios. I am
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Guys we Fucked without the un Fucked and.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Erica, I'm at Eric Freddie or I C F R.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
E T T Y. You got dates, Derek.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, it's Edmonton June sixth through ninth, and then Minneapolis
end of July.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
The rest are on my link in my bio and Instagram.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Oh too, I'm gonna be going to Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I am, I have, I have wanted a European vacation,
and I London is going to England, I mean obviously Ireland.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I'm like, these are the most beautiful places I've ever
seen in my life. I cannot wait to go to Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, and red Light District, but I just want I'm
so excited to explore European places I haven't been.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm gonna try to do stand up.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I have a friend who's comic who her and her
husband just went and dido like a little tour so
many but I also want to throw it out there
if you guys are have been there and you know,
like cool weird shit. I'm gonna be doing research until
I go in July. But I always like to put
feelers out in case people are like, you gotta try
this and then when eight people say the thing, I know,
that's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
And it never fails. It never fails.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Whenever I go to a city and I'm like, what
should I do, I just look for whatever one eight
people said to do, and that's the one to do.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So it's like, you know, I crowdsource my tourism.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Are you gonna do the psychedelic cruffles?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm so excited to go.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I don't want to be on psychedelics. Yeah, so now
I'm not gonna don't. I don't honestly don't even want
to smoke pot. I just want to experience it because
I love learning, I love educational trip and yeah, I'm
so excited.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I cannot wait to go to the n Frank Museum
and Frank. My mom has been wanting to go so
bad when I.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
When I read Ann frank Diary of n Frank in school,
I don't know how ninth tenth graders or no, ninth
grade No, I was like, nin, I don't know how
old I was.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I was a budding teenager, very horny, and it just
really inspired me that she just masturbated all the time, even.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Though during the Holocaust she was horny as yeah, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Like, girl, I relate not the Holocaust part, however, I
relate to like being horny and pressful situations. And it
was just so nice to hear like a young woman
talking about masturbating that. I was like, she means so
much to be For some may reasons, I cannot wait
to go to that museum.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Excited Rembrandt Museum as well. Okay, it's very cool.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Amsterdam has a lot of museums.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yead psychopath very Oh really, yeah, he's like a crazy
collectors a debt. He's all weird.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Was he one of the was a lot of those
painters were terrible to women? Was he one of those?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Or No? I don't know. I haven't done that.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
I'm only aware of his uh, his eclectic collections.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay, well, I love an eclectic collection. Andy Warhol was
was like a big hoard or two they had. They
had a room when he died that was just filled
with shopping bags that he'd hadn't even he just went
shopping and put the bag in the room and never
opened this stuff. Whoa, I love that's of state sale.
I love that. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm so excited for
that I love Europe.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Guys, if you want to email us, it's sorry about
last night's show at gmail dot com. Today's subject line
dealing with assholes on the Internet. Advice need it Hi
creating Christina, I need your advice as public figures and
role models of mine.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I am in a market.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm in marketing and social media management. I own my
own agency.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay, fuck yeah, it's off.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's started very small, mostly managing accounts with two thousand
to five thousand followers for local businesses and small entrepreneurs.
Fast forward a few years and my agency has grown
quite a bit. We are now managing accounts with two
under k to fourigner K are you taking new clients?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I know what I say.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I was like, can you can you help us us?
Because my god, we've been sucking that algorithm's d.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
For a long time. Can you help?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
I will pay you obviously, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but
please help, which is great as these clients are obviously
higher paying and we could implement more successful campaigns for them.
My problem is that I have a really hard time
dealing with the comments people leave on posts that I make.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I take a lot of pride in each piece of
content that I plan.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
This is a bully's dream create and post to my
client's cham, and one negative comment can get in my
head for dates.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Imagine if the comments were actually about you. That is true.
This is secondhand. It's yeah, it does. It's it's things.
You get used to it, but it's it's stings. Some
of my comments are so some of the comments are
so extreme and harsh. Yep, I feel taken aback when
I see them come through.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's not like these comments happen all that regularly, and
my clients are happy with the work I'm doing, oh right,
So maybe you feel extra bad because it's like happening
because of something you're doing on your client's page.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
That would make me feel like And sometimes it's like
you know when someone's like mean to you and you're
fine with it, but then someone's mean to your friend
and you're like pissed. It could be like that totally
because I'm like, they.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Don't these don't bother me, but I can't stop taking
every damn comment. So personally, okay, well this is okay.
Any tips for disconnecting from the slew of comments? Uh
and feedback on public facing work? How do I stop
taking shit that strangers say on the Internet as a
direct insult to my work. Big props to you both
for putting so much of yourself out there. I obviously

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am barely keeping it together and I'm just the social
media manager hiding behind public facing company cheers. So yeah,
this is gonna happen until the day die if you
choose to stay on social media. And so one of
the things that really helped me I deal with these.
I get the comments a bunch, you know, pretty good amounts,
Sometimes are really harsh.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Sometimes they're just.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Like, I'm God, this one girl, it wasn't a comment,
it was a DM She was I don't know, she
was having a mental health day, and I was like,
I'm not here for that. She was saying she didn't
like how I talked about a certain subject, and I
was like, well, that was my experience with it, and
I'm not trying to imply it was anybody else's experience.
And then she goes, Beyonce would be ashamed of you,
and I was like, no, no, no, that comment didn't

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actually make me upset, But I'm like, oh, fuck you
for trying to do that.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Fuck you forever You're blocked. But some of the comments,
like the ones that I get that.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Are super harsh are from men trying to trying to
say that your fuck ability is gone away or whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Am the ones from women hurt me more. But it
depends the way I take that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It depends on my mood that day, honestly, because if
some if I'm having a great day and somebody says
something like that, I'm like, well, you're wrong, and that's obvious.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
And I don't care.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
But just know that any comment that anybody makes on
the Internet, both positive and negative, is just a reflection
of them. So if you think about this, like the
things that we like in our lives, like each each
one of us individually, the things that we like and
the things that we hate, that's just a reflection of
who we are.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's just an extension of us. Right.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So I have certainly been somebody as much as I
hate online bullying and it feels terrible, I have gone
on some dipshits page to go tell them what I think.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
And now I've gotten older, I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Like, oh, this is this adding to the trash of
the internet or adding to the you know the goodness
of the internet. It's always adding to the trash and
as somebody who has left bullying comments for sure, and
of course I felt righteous and thought I was being right.
That's why I fucking did it. The person who leaves this,
it's all a reflection of them. It's I was having
a bad day and the person that the thing that

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they said piss me off because it related to something
very personal.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
That that other guy who said the thing has no
idea about.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So I suggest reading the Four Agreements by Don Miguel
ruiz uh One. The one of the agreements that I
think every human being would benefit so much in implementing
is don't take anything personally. He's like, even if somebody
comes up to you and shoots you in the head
and kills you, that isn't personal. Our lives can be

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so much more painful than they need to be when
we take things personally.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So that's my two cents. You can also read So
you've been publicly shamed by John Ronson. That's a good
one for anyone who has to deal with social media
a lot. And I think the thing is like for me,
none of these comments, you know, negative or positive. Sorry
you guys, you know, but that's me and anything either
of them. It's actually something I've talked about in therapy.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I go.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It just it means they go. I go. The positive
feedback and the negative feedback, it just they both just
mean nothing to me. Very healthy and the only time
that a negative comment can get under my skin is
when it's something that I was already thinking about myself,
whether it be esthetic or content wise, or you know,

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maybe I you know, the the it wasn't the caliber
I need. Maybe I needed to post something, but it
wasn't the caliber of content that I usually put up.
Like that kind of thing again very rare, but every
now and then someone kind of just gets into that
like little bit of insecurity that you were feeling. So
that and then and then that to me is just
like okay, well, it's just reinforcing something I already knew

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was an issue that I have to tackle. So that's fine,
but don't engage. I have a I have a broad
rule now that anytime I leave a comment on social media,
it has to be something positive. You probably see me, like,
you know, around the internet, like a nutcase, honestly leaving
like really weirdly positive comments on people, saying I go
out of my way to leave positive comments on female

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celebrities because the way people talk to women on the
internet is disgusting. Yep, and I'm and I'm trying to
improve their day, you know somehow. And this goes for
the most famous person. It's like if you think, like, yeah,
you know, Taylor Swift has her comments so that only
people who follow her can comment, and you know that's good,
there's a reason for that, and then uh yeah, so

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it's just you can't. And also a lot of times,
like I know, you have to probably look at the
comments because it's you're part of your job. But a
lot of times, especially when I'm posting like political content,
I post it and I just I keep seeing them.
I don't look at the comments. I just let people
fight amongst themselves. I let other people fight those battles.
And also don't block people because that makes that lets

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them know you want just restrict them and let them
continue the argument by themselves. Big Jay Oakerson taught me
that when I first started comedy, and it's really I
got start doing that. It's been beautiful. But when I
block them, I'm not like, gotcha, I'm just like I
don't want you to see anything I do. I just
don't want you to see it. They still can though,
because everyone has like a find sty. You know, it's
not going to stop them from seeing I gotta work harder, Yeah,

(14:02):
I just I And it's so funny because I can tell.
And what the most interesting thing about restricting a lot
of people is that the people I restrict are the
always the first people to be watching my stories. So again,
it's that Selena, It's that Selena syndrome. Your biggest fans
are the people who will say the cruelest things to you.
It's the it's the young women who are the first
popping up. And you know in your stories, if someone

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was restricted, they're they're yes, but they're a little bit
like lighter. They let the little shit and so you
see it's a restricted account. They're obsessed and I and
I go, oh, wow, this is really sad. I feel
really sad for you. Yeah that I would. I would never.
I just I just think in my head, I go,
I would never say anything like you've said to me
to Victoria Beckham, Yeah right, I would never say anything

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like that to her. Yeah, ever wild I adore her
and I respect her, and I would never say something
like that to her. And so if you think that
fandom means that you have come kind of ownership and
you can speak to someone with a level of familiarity,
that that is untrue. Yeah, you will never hear from
me again when it gets most frustrated. Every once in
a while, I'll comment, will get under my skin, it'll

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make me pissed off. It probably has to do with
my mood.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So many circumstances, but a lot of times those circumstances
can align perfectly, and you are a pillar and I
do this thing. My mom used to do this when
I was a kid, when she was driving, and I
fucking loved it when she would like cut somebody off,
like she never she wasn't a bad driver, but she would,
you know, sometimes you change the lanes, you kind of
have to cut something off, and they would get so
mad at her, and I would feel the anger from

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the other car as a child, And when they would
pass my mom angrily, she would just go hi and
she would just wave like she didn't know what was happening,
and I was like, that's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
So sometimes I will implement that strategy from my own
mental health to go like, gee, thanks mister I didn't
know those things and just respond like a fucking idiot
kill them a kindness yet yet, or say something really
really nice to them, And I never look at it
the conversation after that. But that for me, if you
have an anger problem with it, if it like really
gets under your skin, making yourself laugh about it is

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almost always a cure ale. So to having that like
then that comment won't take up real estate in your head.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I mean, I've definitely said I hope you heal people
in response, I said I hope you heal. I said,
I'm sorry you're having a bad day. That's nice, a
new a new good one. Instead of like, you need help,
you deserve help, you wish yeah, yeah, I wish you well. Yeah,

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I wish you well. You deserve help. You earned it. Wait, Eric,
did you you you had something? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
I mean, as someone who has managed like some pretty
large social accounts, you have a lot of people who've
been like who've dealt with like scandals. Sorry, Dan Schneider,
it's a hard week for the Schneider account.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
The pedophile did you work that?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I didn't work for him, but I did worry.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You're paid money, that's for sure, paid and spankerience.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
But no, I uh yeah, it's killed with kindness. If
you really have to respond, go and fis.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
That'll piss that person off more. And I'm like that
makes me real head now happy.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah, I respond with thanks for the engagement.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Thanks, And that's
for this writer.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's a perfect one, since you're the manager of social
media manager, Thanks for engagement.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
That's a great one. That's a great tip. Yeah. I
wish people knew like how the internet worked better, because
you know, like those like videos where someone makes a
recipe that's just terrible and then everyone comments, who the
fuck would eat this? It's like that's they're making content
on purpose that is meaningless to get engagement, and you're
all falling for it. And by you making that go viral,
you're commenting on it, you're making it go viral, and

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then you're just making your You're you're adding to the
fact that more content like this will continue to be made. Yes,
if like that likes something dressed dress, don't comment on it.
Yeah yeah, you are making you are you are inspiring
the person to make more of it. You're not taking
a stand. No one's changing their vote from Trump by
and because you let to comment, you fucking psychopaths, all right,

(18:04):
RelA so true, that's so true. Yeah, good stuff. Relax
and subscribe to my Patreon.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I host a weekly zoom sherapy for an hour every
single week where you just get whatever is off your chest.
It's not a substitute for therapy in any way, and
I'm not a licensed therapist, but boy, oh boy, does
it feel good to just get shit off your chest
to a bunch of strangers and they listen, and then
you hear other people's problems and you're like, okay, okay, perspective, welcome,

(18:31):
welcome to my head.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Let's go. And then every Monday, I have my solo podcast,
The Voices in.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Our Heads, comes out with a Mikey big On Coscarelli
who is on the microphone during all the episodes and
has a lot of sound effects to add to the show.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
So listen up, doesn't he doesn't need a soundboard. He
is a soundboard, Yes he is, Oh my god. And
if you want to listen to my political show without
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Standard Time on YouTube, or you can listen wherever you
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talk about the top news stories of the week from
the perspective of the extreme right, the extreme left, and
everything in between. It's been great so many I feel like,
just like recently, so many more people have been saying, like,
you know, I love this podcast, or I just started
listening to this podcast. It's my favorite. Someone told me
that over the weekend that they put their parents onto

(19:26):
that podcast. So I really appreciate that. As you know,
I've been really getting into just seeking the truth, like
that's always been a very important thing to me, and
I think that we have lost sight of that politically.
So seeking the truth, whether that aligns with how you
stand politically or not, I would like to know what

(19:46):
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Speaker 3 (19:51):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, dude.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yes, I'll preface this with saying I'm not a doctor.
I'm not giving medical advice in any way.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm just talking about my experience. I want to I
want to be very clear on that I've done. So
I talked to do you know, Mike Fanoya. Yeah, So
I did his podcast. Oh this is about ketemine, isn't it. Yeah,
ketemine infusions. When I heard Mike Fanoya, I knew it's
about kenemine.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Bro So he, I guess had a similar year to
me of like just wanting to die for like a
whole year straight.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
He was telling me about it like, I'm like, I've
never talked to somebody who had it like that. That's
exactly what I had.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And he was telling me he's got he got ketemine infusions.
And he was telling me his his wife or his girlfriend.
I forget which one.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think his wife because yeah, I think his wife too.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Was like, so the way he was she was just
he was describing how she was being there for him,
but in a way that wasn't like I'm not trying
to fix you, but like you're gonna be okay. I'm like, damn,
your wife's a g I the way he talked about
it and how grounded he was when he talked about it,
I was like, what the fuck. So I got the
name of the play a place in the area, and

(21:07):
I went, I've gotten two ketamine infusions. Holy shit, How
how are they injecting it? Like, like when you don't intravenously. Yeah,
so it's like an IV.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So when you go up to get a saline solution,
so it's basically a siline bag and they put they
take a vial and they put they weigh you and
that's how they calculate it part of the body. Yep, okay, right,
there is.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
More intense than when you're doing it nasally.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Never done it nasally. I've done it. We're talking about
professional ship and whatever at Coachella. Yeah, and I think
there is really your face said otherwise.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I think there's so much value to doing uh, psychedelic
drugs that have proven results in a therapeutic setting, and
I think you should. I get that it's fun to
do them in a non therapeutic setting, but like now
that I've done them in a therapeutic setting, like I can't.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Believe I did mushrooms and went to Tool concert like that.
It's just not where I want to do those drugs.
But like I didn't know yet, I didn't know what
was going on. I had a fucking I heard realization
that night though, I mean I I got to the
next level at that Tool concert.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
It was amazing, But like I I I I guess
for myself, I would rather have done the drug in
a therapeutic setting first, so.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
That I'm understanding though at a tool concert, right, No, okay,
but I was just like it was a that was
a I was tripping, Oh ye, getting tripping bed, Oh yeah,
crying it needs to go, Like I know, was I wrong?
You're absolutely right? But I okay. I know I talked
about the ayahuasca thing.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
And this is only my experience, so I don't I'm
not trying to impede on anybody else's experience, but my god,
this drug has been so valuable almost instantaneously, which is
a little like I'm still in shock. I've done two infusions,
the last one was Friday, and then the thing is
they wreck amend and I've looked on the internet and

(23:01):
multiple people have recommended the same regiment.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
But I'm like, dude, this is such an intense drug.
It is very intense.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And they're like, do do them, Like you can either
do them back to like buy a five package, five
confusion package and do them between twenty four and forty
eight hours apart. I'm like, nah, it's too intense, Like
I don't, I personally don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I may they're saying that for a reason.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm sure there's benefit, but this drug is very you go,
you go somewhere else, and it is I felt like
the best way I could describe it is all of
the ways that my brain as a human brain does this.
But I think when you experience like trauma, PTSD, this
that's one of the reasons why I took it. It's

(23:43):
really great for PTSD, anxiety depression and the way my
brain categorizes things immediately of like, oh, this is a person,
this is a person. You know, this is a good person.
My mind is always doing that. No, like every second
of the day, my mind is always doing that. It's
so fucking exhausting just being on highlert that shut off

(24:05):
the second the you go into a K hole, which
I didn't really know what that was.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
And now I'm like, okay, now I know what that is.
I can point it out. It's getting fast.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
The fact that anybody would do ketemye recreationally, I don't
understand that a K hole in are you fucking because
when in the therapeutic.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Setting, this is one of the values of it.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I didn't have an integration session afterwards, which I do recommend.
I had that with the ayahuask, and there's a lot
of value to that because you kind of pieced together
what happened.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Did you like opt out of the integration session. There's
an offer, but I but I talked to Mike about
it and he was like, he said for me.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Days after I did it, I noticed I was thinking
differently in a really positive way, and I was like, Daze,
that's amazing. And so I had a journal. I journaled
before and after, just just in case, you know, I
could get any benefit from that. I so in the
therapeutic setting, I had a weighted blanket, I had an imask,

(25:00):
and I had headphones in with a really soothing music.
So that's why I say, I don't understand how anybody
could be in a k hole at a concert that
you were made of different material. It's great, it is
so intense, but I have noticed. So I've done two
of them and in the past. The first one was
about a week ago. I one of the things that
I noticed that I'm like, holy shit, And I'm pretty

(25:22):
sure this is because of this, because this is a
new development in my kind of healing, and I think
it does it all feeds into itself, like all the
things that I've been doing over the years. But I
have been able two small instances that were actually really
really really big for me that I was able to
transcend shame, my own shame and my own embarrassment over

(25:43):
how I've behaved. I sent a person an apology email
that I should have sent five years ago.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
But I was able to not victimize myself and not
go and not make excuses and not tell this person
all the things that I was going through because they
don't fuck need to know that. And I was like,
holy shit, is this what discernment is?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I think this is what discernment is?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like, Like I could very confidently go, I need to
write that person in an email and I need to
apologize and it needs to be brief and no excuses, no,
and I and I it didn't take me even long
to draft email was short and sweet, and it didn't
It didn't transfer blame. It's I was like, Fuck, I've
always wanted to apologize in this way that way, and
I apologize to people. I just I'm so caught up

(26:28):
in my own guilt that I probably inevertently make them
feel bad. And it's like, that's it's not about me.
So I was able to kind of like transcend that
for the first time. It was it was unbelievable, and
I was oddly like I put off sending that email
because I was so ashamed of how I behaved. I
was so embarrassed. But I'm like, it's not about you, motherfucker.

(26:52):
It's about you.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's how you know it's a real apology. I don't think,
I mean I was, I'm thinking. I'm like, yeah, I
don't think. I don't. I don't like apology because I
don't think I've ever received a good one. So to me,
they're like, you know, and it's just like and I like,
I've written one good apology and like it feels so
good it's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
This is the book I think I mentioned this a
few months ago. Yeah, Why Won't You Apologize? By Harrot
Lerner fantastic book about the value of a good apology,
What a good apology looks like, what the what the
skeleton of a good apology is right?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Bad apology is right?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And well, you know what.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
One of the reasons why I can't talk to my
parents is because the really traumatic things that I went
through when I went to bring them up to them,
they went more into denial. It's like my feelings didn't matter,
like I was caring about something I shouldn't and.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, you were showing me text messages where like it's
it's like it was like, oh, we started an apology. Yeah,
then we got distracted reverted.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
But I'm like, honestly, I don't that hurt more than
the fucking thing you did? That hurt more than the
thing you did?

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Interesting?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And and I and I I I never quite could
articulate that until I read the apology book, because I'm like, Wow,
when you actually apologize to somebody in an effective, genuine way,
you can heal. It doesn't mean you're gonna you might
not ever see the person again for sure, but you
can both heal. Why wouldn't we give that gift to
each other? Like what the fuck? Like it's crazy. So

(28:20):
that's one of the huge things that I was like, fuck, man,
and I still wanting to behave like this forever? Did it?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
So?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Was this something that you think about often or did
it kind of just like did they kind of meine
like push this particular thing to the front of your brain.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I saw the person and haven't seen them in a
long time, and normally any other day. Really, I would
have been so ashamed that I didn't apologize and the
behavior for the past.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
That I would have left where we were.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I would have left the place we were at, or
I would have ignored them, and I would have I
got so good at convincing myself I was behaving differently
than I was actually behaving, and it was scary, and
so I would have continued that without without hesitation, I
would have done that, and I was able to take
them in. I didn't talk to them, but I took

(29:10):
them in, and I go, Okay, you're feeling some things.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
What are these?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, you're really embarrassed about how you behave Why because
it doesn't align with your morals and values. You never
apologized to this person and they're probably still very frustrated
with you. Interesting, how about you give them an opportunity,
like if they want to air it out, give them
an opportunity to do that and say you're sorry and
be short and sweet about it. And I was like,
it wasn't even hard. I mean, it wasn't easy, but

(29:33):
it wasn't hard. And I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And then the other thing I did it was just sorry,
can I ask for my question? Yeah? Did they reply?
I don't think so. How long ago was it? I
send it yesterday? Oh oh so you just sent it? Yeah?
Oh yeah, okay, never mind.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Ye, it's a new update. Okay, uh yeah, they haven't
replied yet. But but then I got when I'm like,
they might not reply. Yeah, they might go fuck you.
That's okay, that's okay. And I didn't do it for
me like I did it because I felt like I
wronged this person and I need I like, maybe maybe
there's a chance that me letting them.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Know that I know that would make them feel better
in some way. I don't know sure. So that and
then last night I was Colin and I. I had
a spot.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
The show was supposed to start at seven pm, and
we were going to go to Terrytown to see this woman,
Madison Cunningham. Fantastic musician. He's he loves her and we
wanted to see her live. She's really good, and so
I was like, Okay, got to the venue and the
hosts were like, Oh, we're actually not starting till seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
We say seven on the flyer. I was like, oh God,
can I go.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I asked to go first, they said yes. By the
time I got on stage was eight fifteen. The concert
was at eight, and I was texting with Colin and
I was like, for some reason, I don't know why,
but if I make somebody else late, oh god, I'd
rather And I tell Colin, I will pay three hundred
dollars for an uber if it means that you're not
late to this concert.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Because I just the anxiety is really tough.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Obviously, do what you want, but like, I am more
than happy if you don't want to be late for
this concert to do that. And he goes, no, it's okay, whatever,
and then I didn't go on stage until way later,
and then we couldn't go to the concert.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
We missed the concert.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
And normally I would have gotten so I don't even
know what the emotions would be, but I know how
I would react.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I would have reacted like I'm so sorry, like I
fuck everything. I just would have gone there.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I would have gone to this like I guess victimhood
or something sure, And I was able to go, oh,
I know this slide, don't slide down it, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
You gave him the information you said, if you wanted
to go, and I was just able to healthily move
through a tiny moment that would have fucked up the night.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, because bottom line is, if he really wanted to go,
he would have gone exactly. He's a grown man, yes,
And for the longest time, my logic has known these things.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, but my inner child, I don't know what it is,
inner child trauma, whatever the fuck it is, oftentimes is
in the driver's seat.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
And it's so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And that's one of the reasons why it's so embarrassing
is because I'm like, I know better, Why am I
not acting better? And I just didn't get paralyzed normally
when I would, And I'm like, holy shit. I'm not
saying the ketamine infusion is a cure all by any means,
but I've never been on depression or anxiety meds, but
holy fuck, this is a very valuable treatment for a

(32:16):
lot of people suffering with anxiety and PTSD.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
How long because it's interesting because I had looked into
it because it could be you know, it became kind
of like there was a couple places around New York City,
and when I was like in the depths of my depression.
Like I was like, I need I need help, yea,
And I looked it up and then of course, I
mean this was not helpful. They were like, we have
a wait list. I go, uh oh they do? That

(32:39):
was that And there's much more now. And it's funny
because I was talking to Mike Finoya about it as well,
and like, you can get a nurse to come to
your house. Well, I'm so curious. I'm so curious about it.
But the thing is, I on my own then just
ended up getting to like the best place, and so
that's awesome. And so I can't take it now because
I'm too worried because I go, I don't want to

(33:00):
fuck up what I you know, I'm like, I'm sure
it probably would just be but I'm like, I'm like,
I've literally just be great. I never felt this good before,
So we don't want to take any chance. Yeah yeah, yea,
totally because I don't need more. This is enough. Yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually don't need more.
I'm I'm great, but I'm so curious about because like,

(33:21):
where do you transform it? So where are you going?
I don't know, have you done acid? I micro dosed it,
but it didn't do anything, So I don't know, don't
take enough.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Ok.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I micro dosed it and it did Like I was
laughing so hard at the you didn't fully full, it
didn't fully trip because I took I took almost the
same piece of acid as it was from Kim's mouth. Yeah,
so well she was. I was like, do you have
any more? And then she took it out of her
mouth and I said that works. Sure. Yeah. So I've

(33:50):
never but I've done mushrooms and mushrooms because the only
time I went to in a different place was d MT.
I have taken enough mushrooms or acid, and I mean
I took a good amount, like where I was like tripping,
but I didn't you go anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
You can't not go to another place here. It's it's
it's beautiful what's going on at that place? Though there's patterns,
there's I don't know how to describe.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
It as attachment. It's very disassociated.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Did you do did you do therapeutic ketamine or did
you do just fucking boy academy?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I just did boy boy rave.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
It was I can't imagine being a fucking public space.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Amy dude, it was very fun. Yeah, yeah, a great time.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's great, But you were injecting it into your veins.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
No, it's a lot less intense.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
What are you're taking it in orally?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't. Okay, Well, when I took the Mind, you
don't snorting of anything on No, we have a snort
free policy on this. We do snorting in our studio.
When I took the the oral Ketymene, I could see
that being enjoyable at a party maybe because that was
just like a glass of wine kind of thing, like,
did you also see the oil in this space?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, just the intravenous It was forty five minutes. Was
the infusion? Is someone in the room with you the
whole time? So so I did the first one.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I went to the place. It's also a place you
could give botox.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm like, this feels weird, but the people were really
fucking cool, and so I liked them a lot. And
then afterwards I was in Queen's and afterwards I was
like walking around and they were like, don't drive afterwards.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm like, yeah, no, I can barely walk. I'm not
gonna drive, don'torry. But after when I was coming out
of it, for the first time. I was just so happy.
Oh I'm happy now, like I'm not.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I haven't been depressing a really long time. But this
is so interesting to learn because when I watched in
the studio today, I said, this seems very happy, so happy.
It was markedly and then not again. Not that you
had seemed unhappy, Yeah, you just seemed I'm just grounded.
I feel like I'm in my body. I feel like
I'm in my body yea.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
And I'm not looking around for things that I did
wrong or things I could go bad. My fighter flights
off fucking incredible and I cannot tell you how fucking
potent this this is.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
But I hesitate because I don't want to. I don't
want to try to pitch this as a panasy, like
a curate. It's also like a little expense.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It's five hundred dollars, so it's not it's not cheap
for some people, but Jesus Christ, the fact that something exists,
a treatment exists that could give you results that immediately wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
And now what's the maintenance on this? Like what do
they say, like are you are you just going through
like a couple and then you stop doing it or like,
what's the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
So I'm just I'm just kind of winging it and
seeing how I feel. So I got the first treatment.
It was super intense, beautiful and amazing. I came out
and I was like, I made a video.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I just started. Thank god it was a live video.
But I was like, I'm just gonna make a video,
and I.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Said, I went through I go. I love Kevin, I
love Colin, I love Karen, I love comedy. And I
was trying to get all the kids the season.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Life and I was thanks for inclining the kidding mean,
I'm like, what the fuck that's gonna be. We're gonna
use that, We're gonna use that. I can't wait. And
I was making all these funny fucking video.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I haven't watched them back yet. I gotta watch them.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But so I did the one on mon Tuesday, and
then the second one was on Friday. That wasn't at
home one, So that's pretty close together.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah. Yeah, but they were like, do it twenty four
hours apart of forty eight. I'm like, nah, I'm not.
I don't. That's too intense. It's a very intense and
it's not like I don't. I didn't like confront any sadness.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
The nurse at home session nurse said, she goes, oh,
it's really beautiful this client that I've been seeing.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
She she bought like a six sex six package session whatever.
Uh and uh. The fourth one was her breakthrough session,
and I was like, what's that? And then I googled.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm like, oh, okay, you can have a breakthrough session
where it's just something you have such a major click.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
But I had all these clicks, like tiny clicks that
were so monumental, and there were things that my logical
brain has known this whole time, because like I do
a lot of reading. I read five books at a time.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I love reading because I love like when five different
authors say the same thing in a different way. I'm like,
holy shit, guys, this is truth. Like this is something
that's super true and it's really exciting to me. And
so these little clicks that happen, I'm like, like, we
all are just here. We all want to be loved,
and we all want to love, and we all want
to express ourselves. And the bad people are the ones

(38:26):
that need the biggest hug. And that's something I've always felt.
But like I really like felt that in a beautiful way.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, it was just but she said this woman, one
of her patients had a breakthrough and she I forget
what the connection that she particularly had made, but I
was like, oh my god, that's amazing. I didn't even
know about that.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
But uh, I've only had two I want to get
a package, but I'm like, I don't want one soon because.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
It's it's time stops too, like you like, did five
hours pass? Like what's happening?

Speaker 6 (38:55):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
That's exactly okay, So that's like DMT. It's because it's
fifteen minutes almost to the fucking dot. Yeah, and I
felt like I was gone three hours. Yeah. Yeah, that's
why it's wild. It's it's really weird.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And then when you're back on like time, like Earth time,
you're like, oh whoa like time. We were so stressed
out about time and stressed about But uh, I remember
that bad mushroom trip that I went on that I
had justin Silver.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Had to call you and Wendy Starling over because I'll
be hard to forget Christina. Yes, yes, I think that,
I think I do. I do recall that don't meet
a child soldier in the er and he tells you
he grows really strong mushrooms and do them with him
on Rost Island West. And I was happy because you
just ordered so much seamore, so much pizza. I remember
that pizza. I remember there was there was a white
sauce pizza.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I were Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But uh, one of the things I kept saying, I
don't know if you were there for this yet, But
I went to a mushroom trip and it was it
was the only bad trip I've ever been on.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Uh. And I kept going for eight hours straight. Am
I a good person or a bad person? And I
couldn't figure out which is what it was?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And so that feeling popped up again in both the treatments,
but in a very subtle way. And it's like, and
I the answer was right there immediately, And it wasn't
me talking to myself.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I don't know what it was. Maybe it was just
knowledge that I've always known or something. It's like, there
is no good or bad.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
We are so obsessed in human world as categorizing things, people, places,
events as good or bad as groups.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Guess what, Donald Trump, He's not good or bad.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Joe Biden think I'm just trying to think of hot
button issues, not good or bad, being.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Pro choice, they're just like all here, they're crazy, the
kind of following what they need to learn.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, and and we're all here to learn and
Earth is a very tough school, but we we are here.
And yeah where I get so obsessed with categorizing things
and there's just no need to do that. So yeah,
I fucking cannot sing the praises of of therapeutic ketymede
infusion enough. Wow, damn, Like I want to win the

(40:54):
lottery so I could start a fund to give people
who can't afford this the experience, because especially people with PTSD.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Everybody served in the military deserves to have a free
package for life. That's anybody who has Like, I get
so fucking mad. I saw this. This person was getting
on the fucking plane in Georgia without legs and it
was a young person. I go, I just know this
is from the fucking military. And I was like, and
what have they fucking done to help him?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I was so mad.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, And any any job, like I imagine, you know, firefighters,
police officers, like any job that you're like put in
a traumatic fucking circumstances, you should have this as a
companion to that job, because it is a way to
come to terms with whatever experiences you've had and go

(41:40):
it's it's okay, and then you got and then beyond that,
you go, what beautiful things I've learned from these experiences
that I have had.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So I can look at that Rod Stewart cheers Nancy
autograph and I'm not mad in any way. Like, yeah,
Rob wasn't mad. He said cheers. He was so excited.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
He was so exciting.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
It's great. He looks like great probably seven that photo. Yeah,
what a daddy, daddy damn. So yeah, wow, that sounds fantastic.
I was gonna say, well off that. You know, you
know who hasn't had ketamine therapy, people commenting on Instagram,
not at all. I want that for them. They deserve it.

(42:24):
Well you know, uh, this will come out in a
little bit, but A Tortured Poets Department came out this
week while I was on tour. It was like coming
out for Friday on lunar. Oh, this story already there. Okay,
so this is great. So it came out while I
was in Florida, which was perfect because she did have
a song called Florida exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point
with Florence in the Machine Great, one of my favorites

(42:45):
from the album.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
And I you know, I.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I love Taylor Swift albums, but I I'm like old
enough that they don't hit me in the same way,
you know, for me, like my heavy like you know,
listening albums were Alanis Morrissett, where I was really going
through my feelings and where she was really feeling things
that I was feeling. I love Taylor Swift, she doesn't
often doesn't often convey feelings that I've felt. I mean

(43:11):
in a poppy sense, like nineteen eighty nine. But I
was really looking forward to Tortured Poe's Department because you know,
if there's one thing that I have an honorary degree,
and it's breakups. And we knew this was going to
be like the breakup album. You know, Joelle went breakup,
Maddy Healy breakup, right, and then obviously new romance with

(43:31):
Travis Kelsey, which you know, I'm the least interested in,
and you know, listening to her songs, she's also the
least happiness doesn't make art. Love is a boring song,
and uh yeah, and so this I don't know, people
seem to maybe not like it as much as they
like Midnight sort I don't. I don't care what other
people think this the album just really like it, really

(43:55):
like it literally added a like the tour was already
like one of the tour was already fucking amazing, and
I felt like I reached a new level artistically, but
like this album coming out while I was on the road,
Like there was something special about, you know, listening to
it while you're out kind of doing your thing, living
your dream in a hotel room, and it like literally
took my experience to the next level. So like having

(44:17):
a Kemine. Yeah, having like a supplemental art art piece
that was not my own art to be the soundtrack
to like one of this tour was just so incredible.
I thought the end, I mean, I was highly vindicated
in the song. But Daddy, I love him because Taylor

(44:38):
wrote a fuck you to her all the fans who
had so much to say about her dating Matt Heally
and you know, our friend Ashanti, she messaged me and
she goes, you were fucking right, Corn. She was like
everything you said is in this fucking yea. And good
for her because unlike me. I know, it took a
lot for Taylor to say fuck you to the to
the people who have done so much, and like, while

(44:59):
I knowledge, you know that obviously we need listeners and
fans and everything to do to do this. You know,
I have no problem saying fuck you when people, you know,
because they don't understand they misunderstand you in a literal way. Well,
it was very interesting because you'll hear in a later episodes,
but we just interviewed Liz Meely and we were talking
a lot about living in the moment and I've gotten

(45:23):
over it, but it was it really brought up some
old feelings I had about, you know, the prime days,
the highest heights of our success. For guys, we fucked
around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteens thinking about those yesterday, and
I couldn't enjoy them because I was because of the
way you know, people supposedly quotes, fans acted towards us.

(45:45):
And you know, part of it is having grown up
in a nice space, and so I was used to
when I succeeded, people being happy for me. And it's
so interesting to want to be fit amus for you know,
for being an artist, your whole life and then finally
getting a taste of that and really having realizing that everyone,

(46:10):
even people who say they love you, will go out
of your way to take that enjoyment away from you.
And I was just so unprepared for that reaction from others,
because it is I just can't even think of reacting
that way. I've certainly like been like, ugh, that person
doesn't deserve that. But I've never tried to take I've

(46:32):
never tried to take success, even people for people in
your head. Yeah, I've never tried to actively like ruin
someone's success for them, right in that in that way,
I guess, I mean there, I guess there could be
isolated instance where you could argue that like I could,
I could was trying to affect someone's joy, like in

(46:54):
a new relationship because I had unfinished business with their partner.
I guess that's the closest I've gotten to doing that
to someone else. And I don't regret those because I
don't finish business fuck you. But uh yeah, And so
I was like, and it took me a long time
to uh heal that resentment that I felt for people

(47:16):
really trying to not only rain I mean fucking hail
and monsoon on this thing that I had worked up
and sacrificed so much to achieve. And then also, you know,
person I was dating at the time also tried to
take the joy away from that. So it was really
quite interesting. And so it was I was even healed

(47:39):
through Taylor being like, I was like proud of Tailor, you.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Know, for you know, she is younger than me, for
and she's the kind of person that, yeah, like you said,
it would be harder for her to do that. Yeah,
because O move, the perfectionism that she has resonates a
lot with me, but she just cares so much about
people what people think, and that does not at all
resonate with me. And so I was just so proud
of her that even and in the public eye, literally
all eyes on her. I know, I know, I know

(48:03):
how hard it was for her to get to this
level of saying like, fuck you, I did like like him,
and fuck what everyone else said, and like and yeah,
she ended up not liking him and being hurt by him,
but that was like on her own to find that
out on her own, Yes, the same way as James
ended up hurting me, but not he didn't hurt me
for any of the reasons that anyone thought he would

(48:24):
hurt me, you know, right, and and I and I
again like a lot of resentment there for people trying
to like not allowing me to live in the moment.
And I was you know, I was so happy, so
so much of that relationship, and so that was really wonderful.
And then also I mean there was you know, Tailor's
at a level of fame that like people just want

(48:44):
to bring her down a notch. It's it's it's just like,
I don't know what's just I gotta say, like, I
don't know what's what that is makes me so sad
for humanity.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
It's jealousy.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It's it's jealousy, but it's like it's it's jealousy and
emotional immaturity at the same time.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, it's like being jealous of somebody that that oftentimes.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Can be totally healthy depending on how you handle it.
Sure that just means you want something like that's okay.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Oh. I mean one of the only times I've been
jealous of someone in recent years is when I was
sitting at the Taylor Swift concert. And I mean it's
hilarious because it's like this is an in this lifetime
that is an unreasonable level of fame for me. There's
I don't really think that there's any eighty thousand people
are getting together in a state and that's not me.
You know, it's just not Yeah, you can feel that

(49:33):
within yourself. I think I have a lot of power.
I think I have more to go. I don't know
that I don't. I'm not selling out arenas in this
lifetime and that's and I'm fine with that. But I
was like, you know, there is a part of you
that goes wow, like maybe if I had started earlier
or you know, done a little bit more like what
But there's also like I don't possess a talent that
fills stadiums like comedy doesn't fill especially not for women.

(49:53):
Doesn't your guys.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I was gonna say, yeah, if you're not like eighty thousand,
five nights in a row, oh even close eighty y No, no, no, no,
like these are yea eight thousands?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Why you know the football stadium. Yeah, it's just you're
not reaching that level. I can't say that it's not happening. Yeah,
that's kind of Yeah, music's the only art form that Yeah,
music's the only art form that does that, right, and
so uh and sports and it's like just so, you know,
it's like, what are you just I'm just just like,
I you know, I'm so just that she was able
to touch specifically that many women in that way totally

(50:28):
like what a fucking beautiful, amazing achievement. And there was
just so many there was like a you know, specifically,
it was an article I think The Cut did on
all the things we learned about the Matti Heally breakup
from Taylor Swift's new album, and there was so many
comments with a real pickmegirl energy kind of just being like, well,
she's the most famous pop star in the world and

(50:50):
she's always trashing all the guys she's dated and we
only get to hear one side of the story, and
like this is all true, right, And they were like
it's character assassination against Matti Heally and I'm like, well,
first of all, Mattie Heally also in a super famous
band in the nineteen seventy five. He wants to write
a response, he can write a response. And also the
difference between men and women in this hetero sexual sphere, well,

(51:10):
we don't really know what Mattie HELI is, but he's
always fucking kissing random people. But is that men, especially
the straight white men that she dates, they're usually pretty
unaffected by character assassination, and Taylor herself has survived and
come back from character assassination. It's a theme. On her album,

(51:32):
she writes a thank you to Kim Kardashian for the
healing that she mistakenly gave her for Kim consistently bullying her. Yeah,
that was very interesting. It was just so interesting because
I was, I was. I started thinking because I was like,
I thought about that too. I thought about, like, wow,
like you know, anyone who dates Taylor Swift and it

(51:52):
doesn't kind of go well, like they're getting a song
written about them and they're going to get somewhat a
group of women attacking them. But then I was like, yeah,
don't behave like it is well. But first of all, yeah,
I have men just don't really experience character assassination in
the in the same way. Even fucking I was thinking
about O. J. Simpson. He literally murdered two people and
died without character assassination. Yep, yep, like that is correct,

(52:16):
Like that is correct. He became like a like a
silly pop culture figure even in my sometimes even I
would seehim on Twitter and I would laugh and I'm like,
and then I'm thinking, I'm like, that's just fucking her
head was flopping off her fucking body. Ron Goldman was
twenty five years old doing a good deed, bringing a
pair of glasses to her. He was an inspired, aspiring actor.

(52:37):
His whole world was ripped away this guy. Like, this
guy was making funny, silly videos like golf course you
have to be Harvey Weinsteiner cosed me to get a
character assassin. Meanwhile, you really do. Meanwhile, a woman, you know,
think of things whatever you think of her. Cathy had
a bad day and called somebody a bitch. Yeah, catchy
Griffin held held a dumb a dummy with ketchuponnet of

(52:58):
Trump's head, you know, on the No Fly List. The
just the amount of yeah it is we are we
are just constantly looking at excuses to character assassinate women.
And also, and then the second part of what I
thought about is like, you know, like every person Taylor's
swift dates, as a society, we felt like that turnished her.
I didn't feel that way, but many part people in

(53:19):
society felt that like it turnished her, it took away
her value, right, where As Mattie Heley can say as
many people as he wants. And the thing is, these
songs will have no effect on Matti Heally getting laid
or someone being over to be his girlfriend. Yeah, there
we a line around the block of people to be
Matti Healey's girlfriend, no matter what he did, no matter
what he said, and no matter how he treated Taylor,
and no matter what parts of these songs are true,

(53:40):
and no matter what Taylor did in return. And I'm
just like, I don't know what is it going to
take for women to realize it, because it's all women
in the comments saying these negative things. I know, it's
all women saying. You know, you don't need to defend
Matty Heally, Okay, you don't need to. I defended him
against Taylor's fans. I did do that on that podcast

(54:01):
because I had experienced something so similar, right, I mean
obviously much lower, lower, smaller scale, but yeah, and so
I had, and so I was angry for her because
I was like, I don't know if Taylor And that's
why I'm so proud of her, because I had been
previously angry on her behalf. But she wrote to the
occasion and she was angry for herself, and I was
so happy for because I know how important it is

(54:22):
for her to be liked by other people and to
do well and for her album to do well and
all these things that are not important to me. I
like when I do well, but I'm more much more
concerned with putting out art that I that feels authentic
to me, and if people don't like it, people don't
fucking like it, and that's the end of the Yet.
I mean, give my jokes on Instagram. It's like, I've
had ones to go viral. It's never that's not the

(54:42):
best ones. I think that you guys have bad Like
a lot of times that go viral. We're like, that
wasn't even funny. Yeah, I'm I'm like sometimes I'm just
like I'm like, well, I don't try to put up
stuff that they don't think it's funny. But it's like
I was just talking with my friend like this last night.
I'm like, my really really well crafted jokes that's like
not the I'm like the one that I'm like, oh,
this is the one, you know, And it's always something
completely different and you're like, Okay, well I don't even

(55:05):
share the same artistic taste with fucking people.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So sometimes I think that when I'm on stage and
I'm like, I was like, this is just a one
off and it gets the biggest life.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Like you tell it's like you tell a joke that's
like one of your cheaper jokes, and you're just like,
this is what you like. You fucking no taste idiots,
you fucking garbage munchers. And then I'm like, I don't
even want to make you laugh anymore. Yeah, but yeah,
it's just I'm just constantly observing the way women are
treated out in the world. And yeah, today, like before

(55:33):
I left, it was like Matti Healy's aunt was like
defending him, and I was like, no, Matty, he will
be fine, and he has and he has an audience
and he has a platform, and if he wants to
do a response album, I told I support him in that. Yeah,
of course a response. I would love to hear your
side of the story. Yeah, give it, put your creative
expression to do it. Baby.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I also like the idea of, like, I like women
calling out other women for behavior that they believe was
absolutely unfair and like not like being afraid.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
They're like you can take the can't fight like the
cav God.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I fucking hated that when I was in middle school
in high school and a guy would say that, I
would get so fucking angry. I'm like, just because I'm
disappointed in a woman doesn't mean it's a fucking cat fight.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Well, they love it. It's another way to weaponize that,
like weaponize and publicize this. Women hate women like they
basically I think men have many men have come to
this thing where like, oh well even women hate women,
so we can also treat them badly. Yeah, and we
can use that to if we put them against each other,
they will all be at our beck and call yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
And it's it's so weird because when we talk about
men that behave poorly in this way, it is not
like I don't keep any men.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I have a lot of men in my life. None
of them would behave that way.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Maybe it maybe it's a week, bad day, but I've
never encountered that. I'm like, there are a lot like,
oh god, the men that do do that are just
they really upset me.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, And it's so even men are like, yeah, the
worst of us are so bad.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
It was bad.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
It sucks.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
It's not good, guys, but you know it's good. Today's
guest fucking lilicious. She is. She's a stand up comedian.
She's host of the show Hot and Single. Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome to the show. Steph Dag very excited to
have you on the show.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Chrim was in the bathroom and we were talking about
something that I'm like, so you that I have to address.
You moved to La very briefly for a boy. Yep,
but the kicker you were going to convert to Orthodox Judaism. Yeah,
he wasn't even religious.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Yeah. So basically, I was in a long distance relationship
with a guy in LA. Was obsessed with him. I
was twenty four, so I was like really obsessed with
you know what I mean. And he was Israeli and
he my love. They're so passionate. But he was also
fully American, so important to note, like he his family
was Israeli but he was raised in La but they are,

(58:04):
but they are they have that very warm like whatever.
And he was like, I can't you know, I can't
be with you because you're not Jewish whatever. And I
was like, I mean I'll convert, like I'll convert reform.
It'll be like whatever, Like I'll have like a pool
lesbian rabbi and it'll be like, no big deal. He's like, okay, fine,
So we kept dating. He like broke up with me
a few times, whatever red flag.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I still there.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I still moved to la and we got back together.
And then like months into the relationship, he was like,
you know, it's not that you're not Jewish, it's that
you're not like Israeli. And I was like, well, I've
already moved and I can't convert to become Israeli. And
he's like, well, maybe if you just like converted Orthodox,
because then like if we got married, our kids would
technically be considered Jewish by the Israeli Rabbinate because they

(58:48):
don't consider you Jewish unless it's orthodog and.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Unless it's Orthodox conversion. And there's only a.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
Few rabbis that they accept in Israel from America. So
he's putting all these like he's making it in fucking
impossible for me, and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll do it,
Like I'll wear a wig, I'll walk to synagogue twice
a day, like it was so insane of me.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I learned Hebrew, took classes. Are you currently fluent in Hebrew? No?

Speaker 6 (59:13):
But I can like flirt with Israelis and bars. Oh
that's a fun skill something which is fun because they're
fun to have sex with them.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I heard.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
And basically, he still broke up with me, and now
he's dating like a blonde Catholic girl and also he's
not religious at all. His family owns a sex toy company.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Wow, that's cool. That's the only cool thing.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Yeah, they are actually the best sex toys on the market,
but they just say it. They just say it.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
But but that was a crazy journey. I went on, Wow,
what was it about this guy that had you so
like it was your weretize? Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
He had a mustache that went like this, and that
he looked like he really good and that really did
something for me. Also, when you're twenty four, I started
becoming like addicted to the like the myth of the
relationship of like I'm gonna confer and like we're like
everything is against us, but we're still gonna end up together.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Very dramatic, very dramatic. But he I think just wanted
to break up with me and didn't know how. So
he was like, well, you have to convert orthodox. She's
not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Man, act like we don't know how to run through
fucking hoops. Yeah. I was like plea. He was like,
I'll do it. Yeah, I'll shave my head. We're gonna
give up holy shit.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
Yeah. And now he's fully like living with some girl
who's not Jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So wow, wow wow wow. Yeah he was hot, you know,
I hope so he was hot. Yeah. Yeah, he looks
like Jack Sparrow. Okay, I like that. Do you wear
a lot of jewelry? Yeah. This is also this thing too,
when you feel like a relationship slipping away. There's even
if it's like a shitty one, you're like, this is
the last time I'm ever gonna love or like that,

(01:00:51):
like whatever, it's always like the last time it'll ever happen.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Yeah, And I was really anxious attached, and then my
identity got really wrapped up in it because then I
started being like ashamed I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Wasn't Jewish whoa like.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
It took like months of therapy to get out of
it and actually was traumatizing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, he looks like he's very delicate. Yeah, we do
have that power over people. Though. No one's gonna make
you feel guilty for not being Jewish like a jew right,
We're good at it. It's kind of like it's kind
of a brand. Bang. I was like, I feel so
much gild. It doesn't and make me Jewish. Yeah, I know.
We really like to play up how elite the club
is to get it into Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
I mean I literally took a twenty three and me
I was like, surely I'm like one percent Jewish because
I'm so Eastern European.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I was like, for sure, someone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
If you were to say you were Jewish, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
you look as rarely I think I'm Jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah no, no, hits damn should have given you my
twenty three.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Yeah so jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Damn you talk to that guy at all? She dead
to you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
He's now. We have a lot of mutual friends, so
I hear about him. But uh, I wish him. I
don't wish him the best. I wish I wish he's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
But it was also funny because my family was like
I kept being like, I'm not coming home for Christmas,
like I'm celebrating a hon My mom was like, shot
the Actually, well there's also this thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Was it about like winning in a way, because sometimes
when you're in a relationship and you could like you
try things, you try things, you try things, and you're like,
at this point, I just want to win and I
won't be satisfied if I lose.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Yeah, because I had already moved to La So I
was like, am I going to just move back to
New York like a fucking loser? You know, so like
I had to follow through. Yeah, it's a great story,
you know now, it's like a funny story and a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah. Also the whole time it was happening, I was like, am.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
I doing this as a bit like in my like
zoom Hebrew class to the students and an instructor and
me like learning the alphabet?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Did you learn anything that surprised you when trying to
convert to Orthodox Judaism?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
Just that it's like so impossibly hard and also that
Carly Claus did it for her husband.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh I remember that? Or it's actually what's hard about it,
like just memorizing the like the Yidish is a.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Very yeah, well I learning Hebrew is really hard. You're
learning an ancient language for like care dick in my case,
and also like it just it takes up your if
you're going to actually really convert it, it's a full
time job. Yeah, Like you can't just like do it
as a hobby. You can convert reform. That's like what
most people do if they don't actually care. You just

(01:03:17):
kind of get a rab bity be like yeah you're Jewish,
you know, but this wasn't that at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Damn damn. Well now are you in a relationship now?

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
And now I'm in a relationship with actually a Muslim.
So actually I'm the piece, I'm the peace deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's I'm the answer. You're connecting everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Yeah, yeah, my pussy is like the ultimate solution.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Yeah. So yeah, now I'm in a happy relation. Did
you have to change anything about yourself for this one?
Or do you want me to convert this guy?

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
This guy always jokes, He's like, I still want you
to convert but still to Judaism.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Just make you do it to live in unity?

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
Yeah no, he I guess the one thing actually I
had to do is learn how to be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Open because he wanted to be in an open relationship.
From Jump from Jump, Pia, how did he pitch that
to you. Well, we met. He's a comic.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
He lives in Austin, and we met and he was
like really like in a lot of relationships, not like Polly,
he was really no. He was like dating a lot
of girls casually. Oh yess, I should say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
He had a rotation.

Speaker 6 (01:04:18):
He had a full rotation, but like intimate rotation like
a lot of girls.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
And I was just there to have sex. And I
met him at south By Southwest and we like hooked
up and whatever. Started to really like him, and he
was like, I'm never gonna be in a monogamous relationship again.
And I was like that's fine, Like you live in
Austin anyway. Yeah. We kept seeing each other every now
and then, and then I was like I have to
get out of this because I'm starting to really like
you and I don't want to be while you're in
these relationships.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I can't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
Yeah, and he was like, well, I'm willing to try
something like a middle ground, So like, do you want
to be in like an open relationship, I'll end all
my other relationships and we can just start fresh and
like make a set of rules that works for us.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Right, That's how okay? So he can fuck other people
but not be like emotionally intimate. Yeah, it's just common. Now,
it's just fucking nice.

Speaker 6 (01:05:04):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
And do you like, are you actively fucking other guys?
Because sometimes I feel like a lot of times, like
the woman in a HEATERO sexual one is like not really.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
Because it's like, yeah, it's like random hookups are not
going to be fulfilling to me. Sure both not actively
fucking right now? Okay, it's like I just don't tell
or do you tell? At first, and then I was like, no,
I need you to tell me actually immediately while it's happening. Whoa,
because like if I didn't know, I would I was
always assuming he was hooking up anxiety and that was
too anxiety inducing. And now he tells me, so now

(01:05:35):
I always know, like if he has anyone in his
life or whatever, or and vice versa. Like I've both
times I hooked up with someone, I called him immediately
after crying and was like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I don't know why I did it. I did something wrong.
He's like, you have to stop calling me after you
foxed up crying. But we've both I think I cooked
up with the same amount of people. Nice. Do you
have like a no colleagues rule.

Speaker 6 (01:05:59):
Or no comedians. Yeah, are both comedians? Okay, right right
so that feels too messy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yeah, that's very Yeah, it's like a bunch of theater kids.
So it's like, oh no, yeah, I just want to
fuck comedians.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
I feel, well, the problem is I'm only around comedians
because of my job, so like I'm not like dating
or anything, and I wouldn't date, so I don't know
who to fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Right, Because the comedians can fuck fans in a way
that female comedians can.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
So that's so he hooks up with people after comedy shows. Yeah,
because girls are chuckle fuckers and like upseon. Even if
a guy bombs on stage, they will fuck him. I'll
have the best set of my life in a slutty outfit.
And nobody is hitting on metem dating.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah, I guess that's what they say, right, Yeah, I
mean they just no one's interested in female comedians and
other comics.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Hit on me after a New York comedy club set
like last summer or something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
He was actually cute and I was like, oh fuck,
and I was seeing somebody, but I was like, obn
to see where this goes, Like I just wanted something
hat and then he goes, don't worry, I won't rape you,
and I was like, we're done. You knew there was
something really wrong with him when you said he was
cute and he came up to a female commedity, what
is wrong? I didn't want there to believe. I didn't
want to believe that there was the boy was there. Well.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
I also feel like when it's like a fan or
like someone in a crowd, like you immediately have like
a power over them. Yet I don't like like it
doesn't feel it doesn't feel feminine. It doesn't feel feminine.
But for guys that works, they like having that power
over them, So I'm immediately feel too powerful and grossed
out by them. I'm like, you're a simp, beta loser, right,

(01:07:35):
the balance is out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I don't mind. I feel like like I like feeling powerful.
I don't mind that, but it just it feels like
an unfair and it feels like they like a version
of me that is not the real me. Because even
though my person on stage or on podcast personality is
really close to the real me, it's still not It's
never going to exactly be the real you because you're performing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
You know, especially people online like, do you guys get
people that slide into your dms?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
Yeah, really I don't get that many to be clear,
but I have had people on Instagram ask me out
and I'm like, I am meet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I can't. Yeah I did. A young guy was super
hot and I was like, damn maybe and I actually
was slurting back with him and then he like, when
am I A I'm like, oh, fuck you? Really you're
a fan.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
I went out one fan once and it was horrible,
like he was like referring to things in my life
from years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
That like it was just like creepy. He's gonna wear
your skin. Yeah. Yeah, So I don't know who to fuck.
I think it'll happen when I go abroad a like
going out to bars, like wearing something super cute and go,
because then your body will like tell you who you like. Yeah,
don't do it for you.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
There's just like not hot guys out at night. I
think in New York City are they? I live in
Brooklyn during the day green Point. Green Point is Point
has the hottest guys've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
They're fucking hot girls, that's why they're not out.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
I guess I think they're with their wives that night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Oh you're into older guys.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
No, I just think everyone in Greenpoint is hot and married.
All the hot people are married, and then there's like
the uggos that are out all good night, yeah, falling
through the sewers. But also that being said, I haven't
really gone out in a while because I do shows
at night.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, so I don't know, would say, like go out
with some cute girlfriends, wear something slutty, see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Yeah, It's also like I'm so in love that well
you know what I mean. Like when the time comes
for me to go out, I'm like I can just
go home and call my boyfriend, right, And I think
he kind of feels the same way. So it's like,
you know, it's like it feels like I'm in a
monogamous relationship that has that has like flexibility, yeah, where
like if shit happens, like that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah, what is it about your boyfriend that like makes
you so in love with him?

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
We are like soul mads, which is so gay to say,
but like I've never met someone who thinks exactly the
same way as me. Like I always feel like when
I meet people there's like a level of my self
that they don't understand. And I don't know even what
it is about him, but like we just immediately. I
was like, oh, you think about everything the same way

(01:10:07):
as Yeah, I don't have to explain anything. I like
that he's a comedian, but he's not like a male
comedian archetype. Sure, he just feels like a normal person
in comedy is something he does right, and we get along.
We never fight. I think six months. I met him
a year ago, but six months like kind of officially dating.

(01:10:27):
I don't know if he's got that new relationship energy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, and we talk about getting married and like dying together.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
Wow, Like I think I think it's like, yeah, so
this is the first relationship where the guy was like, uh,
really committed to me, like without like any caveats.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
And well, the caveat is that you have to let
him fuck other people. The caveat. That's how you made
it work. That's true, But I do if I was
like I want to close it, he would be like, Okay, yeah,
I think now it's like you're like we're we got
this like a very unique little level of electricity between
each other. Yeah. I think women just judge it a lot, Yeah,

(01:11:06):
which is annoying. Yeah, I guess so well, if they're
projecting their own experiences, I feel like and also too,
it's like you instead of like being paranoid that somebody
is going to be unfaithful because you don't know each other,
you know, if you haven't been dating a year yet
and you're a long distance it's like, why don't you
just give the person permission? And that's like way more
trusting actually, yeah, because it's like, well I don't need you,

(01:11:27):
like I try, Like you can go and fuck. Somebody
doesn't bother me, Like that's yeah, that's a huge level
of confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
Yeah, the relationships I don't Yeah, I don't think any
of my other relationships could have been opened because I
didn't trust them. Right. There was like they were like
half committed to me, but always like one fit out
the door.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
This feels like the sex feels like so not threatening
in any way. Ooh that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
You know that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
And men will tell you who they are and I
like that. He was like, yeah, I'm just this is
not my thing. Yeah, a close relationship, Yeah, has he
had it? Did he have experiences? Because he said I'm
never going to be in a close relationship, a monogamous
relationship again. Like, did he have something that happened previously
that made this sell for him?

Speaker 6 (01:12:04):
He cheated a lot, so he's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Like, so he's like, I'm just going to comply with
this rule that I don't need to comply with.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Yeah. So so when he when this, when I first
met him, I was a little bit like, oh, so
you're not going to cheat again by not being in
a relationship again, that's a loophole, Yeah, right, because that's
but I'll hear him out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah, but after her, no, for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
But he was dating such incompatible people to him, and
he did what I've done when I've cheated in the past,
which is like, instead of just breaking up, you cheat
to like blow up the relationship totally, you know. Yeah,
but I don't like I think it was more the
people he was dating were super incompatible to him, and
so he made this rule of like, I'm just not
going to do that again because I don't think monogamy

(01:12:44):
works for me, Like, obviously I don't operate under it,
but I think we could be monogamous.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And maybe his problem was the compatibility I think, So, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so like what was uncompatible about the people?

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Just like so obviously like different kinds of people, Like
I don't know how to explain. Yeah, yeah, come from
a difficult, like really type a where he's like more
artistic and kind of flowing. Just like, so obviously you
would never put them in a room together.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
And I think I think men pick people to be
in a relationship with as a reaction to the last
person they were dating.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
So like, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
So like, oh my god, he was like he was
like dating and fucking this like really crazy chaotic girl
and it was like a whirlwind and it was like
on and off and on and off. And then he
was like I have to be in a committed relationship
now with like a type a kind of basic girl
who's safe.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
And that was so clearly not the right move for him,
So then he ends up cheating. The pendulum has to Yeah,
you think the pendulum has to swing in the far
opposite direction for you to have some balance.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Men like pick what they want and then find someone
to fill in that slot. I think we do the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Eric, are you listening, Do you feel like this is true?
This is why we have a man in the room. Eric,
do you feel like you do this?

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
Do I feel like I just do you like swing? Yeah,
maybe a little bit. A lot of times it's in relationships.
It's it's always been like they've chosen me, and it's
just been I'm just kind of going along with it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
That's I'm not bragging.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
I'm just saying that that just feels like a beta energy. Eric,
They've just chosen me. I think that is and I
think this is like this is right. There is a
sound bite of encouragement for anyone. If you find any
guy attractive, just try because he very well might be
like Eric, just waiting for someone.

Speaker 6 (01:14:24):
To choose him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
And I've I've come across that exact same scenario so
many times in my life. Yeah, where they're kind of
like indifferent to whether or not I will say it
kind of I've been I'm thinking of I never thought
about that before, but one of your ex the original
X went like, I feel like with your exes who.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
This podcast is based on, Yeah, like there are like
responses for the next partner that were like a pivot
from something you bought to and I'm thinking of like stricture,
like Stoya to me, I'm like you were, that's the
pendulum swinging.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
In the r. I don't think I've ever done that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
I think I've always just fallen in love with someone
who's a slightly upgraded version of the personality type of
my last Like I have a type and I date
that type.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Concept. But that means that you're science. That means that
you're not trying to rebound, You're really trying to find
a relationship. Because what I've been when I've been reading
what they say, they people who write books about relationships,
they say, basically, we all have a type, and if
you after someone you go complete opposite, that's a rebound.
If you go same version, you actually are trying to

(01:15:28):
make a relationship for us and so and this checks
out for me like personal personally, like the people who
have been like me, those people have ended up together.
And then the people who are opposite, even if they
are together for a while, I go, this is just
a rebound that you're just can't get out of. And
I'll be watching. I've never had a rebound.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Rebounds are fun. And when you're heart heartbroken, you don't
have to you don't feel the need Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
My last breakup, I was heartbroger for two years and
I and then I I went to Portugal and I
had sex with like five people in six days and
that was my like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Reba's that, yeah in one week? Yeah, yeah that It
sounds very fun and romantic. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
I'm a horror broad in like a Catholic saint in
a country.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Wow. Do you people speak English in Portugal? Yeah, there's
a lot of trusts. Okay, but the guys you were
they because there is something about it, like if I
can't fully communicate with someone, I feel unsafe fucking them.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
There was only one Portuguese guy and he spoke English.
Everyone else was like American touris or British tourists. Gotcha, gotcha? Okay,
yeah nice. But I've never done the like breakup and
then I have to fox. I want to get over
it because like I just can't. So you don't ruminate?
Then after a breakup? Is that sad to say?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
No I ruminate? Okay? I upset?

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
I'm so attached? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will. Like my
last breakup, which was with that Jewish guy, I tried
so hard to get back together.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
I was like waiting around for to come back, and
they sensed that and that's never going to help. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
No, it was a really toxic and he would keep like,
you know, he would text me every week and be like,
I miss you bread com we hook up and then
he'd be like, but I don't want to get back together.
And then I'd get over him and he'd be like,
but let me know if you do convert, because then
maybe it would work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
It was like really tough for ye. Yeah, he kept
being praised. Yeah. Yeah, he kept me on the roller
coaster for a while and then it did that go
up until he met this new woman.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
I So I eventually, like six months after we broke up,
I moved back to New York. And then immediately once
I was back in New York, I felt so much better.
And I think that was like I just needed to
get out of La. Yeah, And the once I was
back here, I was like, oh my god, I have
my own life here, my own friends. Like I was
so wrapped up in his world living with his family,
like being friends with his friends, that I just like

(01:17:52):
couldn't extrapolate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Myself from it. Living with his family during the pandemic,
I was like staying with Oh, Wow, okay, so you
were really that was intro and his family owned a
sex toy company.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
Yeah, like his mom and dad. His dad started it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Wow, that's a fun dad.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Yeah, he used to like sell porn DVDs and when
the Internet came out and like ruin that industry he
started making.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
But that's so ironic that he's like, but you have
to convert to Orthodox, which is the least sluttiest of
the Jews. Yeah, not slutty at all, No, but it
was funny.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
We would be like have Shabbat dinner and his dad
would be like, how do you feel about this organ
this vibrator, Like how would you hold it if you
were masturbating?

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Like was his dad hot? No? Okay, I wouldn't want
to talk about that with a non hot Yeah, yeah,
think about my bussy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
We're also talking about the kink community and our gripes.
We have a similar gripe, all three of us. So
a question like how did you get into the kink community.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
And like what what way? In what path? In?

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
So I don't think I think I'm orbiting around it
right now, and I think like me and my boyfriend
are both very kinky and we are like very interested
in going to sex parties. And I've been connected with
people over like d MS and ship who are really
kinky and just through projects I've done because I do
a lot of like sex ad like comedy type of
stuff nice and so I've met a lot of people.

(01:19:15):
But every time I'm close to going to a party
or something, the communication with the person feels so gross,
like it's like hyper Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Okay, Yeah, when was the last time you were tested?
I never want to come again. They played ice Breakers. Yeah,
camp Yeah, discussed you never want to camp VI but
a kink thing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
I like want things that are kinky to be a
little bit off color. Yeah, you know a little bit
like underground.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Yeah, I'll tell you a place after we're done recording.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Yeah, I went to I went to a movie theater
in Montreal called Cinemamore. Have you heard of this? No,
you go, It's like this beautiful theater. They play porn
and then every yeah, it's like huge, Oh my god,
and then everyone fucks like in the series.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Yeah, I will go to Montreal just to do that. No,
you should.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
So you get there and they go if you're if
you're a couple, you can go upstairs to the balcony
and you're like basically the kings and queens of the theater.
You get sheets and there's a bunch of whatever, like
kind of couches and beds whatever, and then if you're
a single guy, you have to go downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
I love it all.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
And it's like all these kind of creeps in the
shadows and they're like looking up at the balcony.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
But also like that's kind of fun, but it's kind
of fun, and so like that to me is like
a fun that's so okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Canada got it. Gotta give it to Canada. Great sex things.
I went to the one of my favorite sex clubs
ever in Toronto. There was a pool, there's a hot
like there was three different levels and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Everyone was cool. None of those spiels that were like
kindergarten teachery spiels. Yeah, that's nice, that's really fun. It's fun.
You went. You went with a couple, as a couple.
I went. We went as a couple.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Yeah. We were in Montreal for shows and someone recommended
it to us as a joke. They were like, oh,
you should go to seem all the more and we're
like what's that. They're like our sex theater.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I'm like googling it. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna go.
It was so fun. It was like, wow, we would
go back just to go to that, Like Cazus, that
sounds really were the people there were. They're hot people
there because that's the time. Also, there's a lot I
need to go to these sex clubs. Anytime I've gone,
I've been like the hottest or second person, hottest person there,
and that's I'm not okay with that. That's not a
good level of hot.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
I think that ugly people do go to sex parties
because it's the only way that they get laid, unfortunately.
But at this theater it was mostly hot like thirty
and honestly forty year old couple.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
The people downstairs, I don't know, they were in the shadows.
They're like lurky guys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
It's kind of fun. But that's kind of fun.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
Ye like that nobody bothers don't touch me, but you
can watch. Yeah, so it's like it's like a fun
that's cool. There's no shpiel. They're just like here's sheets.
When you're done, you can put them in the basket,
go have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Yeah, like there's like when the vibe is like that,
it's like it's so arousing, and there's not many opportunities,
Like there's not many things that are that arousing. Like
I always get like I always think of like how
I always get kind of jealous about how like men
are just horny about all this stuff. Like I'm horny,
but I want a situation to make me even horn
you know what I mean, Like I want to stumble
upon a really horny thing. Yes, yes, that's why I

(01:22:11):
want to go to Amsterdam and like accidentally go to
the red Light district. Go oops, I didn't know. I know.

Speaker 6 (01:22:15):
Sometimes when it's like too organized, you feel like gross
being there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah, you know you want to be like how did
I end up here? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
But I know I still haven't been to like a
proper sex party, okay or sex club. Yeah, they're fun,
they're really fun. Yeah. Most of them are like makeshift,
so I feel like that even if it is a
sex club, it's kind of like a venue that they
made into a sex club rather than one that's like
this is for sex.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
Yeah. Also they make guys pay a lot of money, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, usually like what's that or they're not allowed. A
lot of times the ones I go to, they're not allowed.

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
To come by themselves. What's that giant, really big one
that's in New York and LA like the main one?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
I don't know. I don't know what the main one
is because the one I go to it's like not
box of sex clubs. Oh really?

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
Yeah what?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I forget what it's called.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
But anyways, a guys membership is like fifteen thousand year
if you remember. Yeah, and then if you go as
a girl, if you're a Hawk girl, you could probably
just get in for free or whatever. And if you
go as a couple, you stop to pay fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
So I was like, okay, well I'm not gonna go.
I wouldn't go without my boyfriend. I would only go
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
It's really fun to do kinky stuff together as a couple.
Like it makes you, It bonds you in this way
that like I was when my extent I started to
do three ways, I never expected to feel like closer
to him. Yeah, so did you ever get jealous? Yeah?
But I'm a cuck So I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
So it's like a controlled environment that I'm like if
I say stop, everybody drops what they're doing kind of thing.
So that made me feel safe enough to like allow
myself to be turned on about it, like while it
was happening.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Yeah, very freeing. Yeah, it is freeing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
People are so bad at sex, and I think unkinky
like the general population I always heard of that, Yeah,
but like the average person has almost no sex life.
Well nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah. And also I find like the like people will
be like, I'm kinky, and then that means like they
like hit someone and then you go, oh, you're not
kinky at all. Actually they're like sometimes I like getting choked, yeah,
like oh oh you're like a little baby actually yeah yeah,
yeah it's embarrassing. Yeah, because yeah, or your hero like, oh,
this guy is real kinky, and then you'll fuck me
like he's right, very regular. Yeah, it's very standard. But

(01:24:18):
a guy is really kinky. Oh my god, what fun.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
It's what gets so fun. The last guy hooked up
with when I while I was in an open relationship,
the only person I've ever actually had sex with in
that relationship was claimed to be very kinky, and then
during sex, he kept asking me for consent, like over
and over and over, like every new thing he did.
He asked for consent and then I was like, I
don't know, slap me and he was like ew. I

(01:24:43):
was like pull my hair. He was like pulled like
a strand of hair, and I was like, I called
my boyfriend outdrows like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
People, How did he how did he like sell himself
as kinky, like verbally to you before you ended up sucking?

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
I think we're like I know him, men were friends
and he had just mentioned it so many times and
like I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Was like, Okay, maybe he's kinky. The word the best
is when you like, sometimes you'll meet somebody and you're like,
I feel like you're a freak. Yeah, and you you
you work very hard to put it under a large
amount of layers. And then when they are and they start,
oh god, it's so good. Ye Like can I walk
you on a leash? And you're like, uh huh yeah

(01:25:24):
mine are yours? I brought one with me, yeah, just
in case.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
Yeah gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
I was thinking. I was like, it's actually I really
like it when you think someone's going to be like
very tame in bed and then they actually surprise you
so much and they're just they're wild.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
I haven't been surprised by a guy in years except
for my boyfriend. Yeah, but what surprised you about him?
He was just immediately. The first time we hooked up
was very like dominating in a way that at first
I was like, ohoh because I'd never experienced that before.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Fun, and I really liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
I'll never forget the first boyfriend. It was like that
fucking fantastic makes you feel I don't know if it's
fucked up to say, but it makes you feel like
more feminine anyway. But when you can trust he's an
asshole or has an ego of any kind, it's like no, no, no,
it's like will be never, it will never happen.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
It's like raw masculinity and femininity going ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
And that's really fun. Yeah, do you feel masculine doing
comedy that doesn't make you feel masculine?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Yeah, me too. And do you do guys ask you
to dom them a lot? Well? Me, But I mean
it's very much. It seems like something I would love.
I don't hate it. I'm actually I like when I
can transition to both, Like I like my favorite relationship
is when I can play both roles and the man
can also play both roles. That's really comfortable for me,
and I felt it's very hard to find that though
someone who is switch can switch. That's why I like

(01:26:50):
younger guys. They're more comfortable with the feminine role. They
don't find it emasculating whenever it was. Is so interesting
to me because I actually find like, as men age,
I mean this is scientific too, they become more feminine
just naturally, but they're like so averse to it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
Interesting. Well, do you date very like typically masculine guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
I have in the past, Like I would like definitely
like a like a like a guy from Ohio who
can chop would But I also date like a lot,
you know, like a lot of sad boys, you know type.
I do a lot of like bisexual kind of guys. Yeah,
not fruity. I can't handle fruity. I like fruity, but like, yeah,
I love a fruit.

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
I don't know, just a little bit more like in
touch their femininity in a way that still feels masculine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
If you're like a little bit I'm like, no, like
a little David Bowie ish, like like a like a
little yeah or like confusing or like a what's.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
It called Captain Jack Sparrow, oh pirate.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Yeah, you know what I mean, both these products guys
came up on the podcasts.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
Really funny, that's the That's the type of guy I
go for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
So someone who's really it does like your boyfriend dress
very interestingly. We all even know you like Salvador Dolly mustache.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
So he we could probably share the same closet.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Okay, there you go. Yeah, your age, he's a little older.
He's thirty three, twenty eight. Nice. Yeah, but yeah, I'm
having a lot of fun in it. That's great. Yeah,
being in like that, basking in that new relationship energy
is really there's nothing like it. Well.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
I also I feel the sluttiest I've ever felt in
this relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Amaze, do you know what I mean? It feels like.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
I'm sexting all the time. I feel really sluty. I
started taking poll dance and classes. I was going to
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
It makes you feel so hot. Really.

Speaker 6 (01:28:41):
I put a pole in the middle of my kitchen,
got rid of my furniture, and I just like send
him videos of myself on like is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
It anchored just in the bottom or is it the
one that goes like can you do it? Totally? A
tension rode. Yeah. Yeah, cool, and you feel and it's
never wobbled.

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
It's never wobbled.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Okay, that's great. I got a tube on Amazon too. Yeah. No,
because I wanted to. I mean, I wanted to do
attention rod. I also have like a top floor. I
wanted to go down it like a firefighter in the morning,
just like I thought that would be no, but but
I would love that. It seems fun, did you nasty?
Since swirling? I think I could do it. It's so
hard and so fun. Yeah. Those people, I mean, like

(01:29:22):
they're the thighs on a pole dancer are fucking fantasticipped.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
Yeah. Also, you get very bruised, like it looks like
I'm in an abusive relationship because I have bruises all over.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
My bruise really easily. Since there'll be a nightmare, but
it's taken. I've been doing it for like two months.
That's so cool. So you go to a place with
a bunch of pole to a.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
Studio, it's cool and all women, all women, it's like
such a safe space. Everyone dresses so slutty, like basically naked.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
That would be so fun because then you're like, you
don't have to worry about, like don't look at me,
like no, no, it's like women.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Maybe it's like one gay guy every now and yeah,
which is fine, Which is fine.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
They're looking at you less than the women. They're actual
repulse that.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
It's it's the best thing I've ever done.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
And so what who do you feel like? Is in
this classes it other people? Like? Is it people trying
to impress their boyfriends? Is it people who want to
work out? Like? What type of woman is in a
pole dancing class? It's like all different.

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
There's some like meek girls who I'm yeah, like secretly
you want to be a freaking trading and then there's
some girls that are strippers for sure, and my education Yeah, yeah,
the teachers are all strippers, are all working dancers, and
they're fucking amazing and so hot.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
We love strip gloves, grin and I and when you
go and this, there there have been strippers that take
the poll that I'm like, I adopt me please, like
I get such a powerful art form. Yeah, we're there
for the art like kind of like it's a shop.
Look well, it's just so impressive and then you're just

(01:30:54):
thinking like about your own body and you're like how
would one even go about starting to do that and
also like use it like athletically using your body and
then doing it for something that makes you also feel sexy.
I feel like that's like the winning combination.

Speaker 6 (01:31:06):
I think that I always thought strip clubs really gross
places and the girls were like gross.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
This is like back in my early twenties.

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
And then I started looking at strippers and looking at
the dancing and the art of it, and I was like,
they're actually the top women.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
They're incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:31:18):
They're like and they're smart, beautiful, artistic, like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
They own their femininity in a way that I'm like,
oh that so many women can't. Like I'm trying to
get there me too. Yeah. Every time I go to
strip club and I'll come back and like I'll like
have sex with my boyfriend, it's like I move differently
and like, oh, I like this me, like this version
of me that's coming out. Yeah, I think I would
like to perform at a strip club me too. If
you could wear a mask, I would do it. I'll
fucking do it with my name on my shirt. Thing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
Like I there's a part of me that's like I
I would like to be a stripper. Yeah, you know
if I could get the confidence to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yeah, it would be fun. It would be fun. I
feel like you probably already have most of it from
doing stand up comedy, as long as you're like comfortable
with your body.

Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
I guess. But stand up you like sex yourself down right?
You can?

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Yeah you can't. You can. But I feel like in
the beginning I did, but now I don't do that
anymore because I feel in control enough of I hate
for myself for saying the craft that I don't need
to do that anymore. I know, I know. I used
to wear giant T shirts. Yeah, I would wear my glasses.
I were, And then now I just go on a
full glam. I went on full in full Fox News

(01:32:27):
glam on stage, and I felt fine and in control
of it. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, it's just yeah, I've
done stand up naked too. With the naked I mean
yeah back in the day. Not I wouldn't do it anymore,
but yeah, full puss, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Full pus.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
I was there, no problem sitting down. I did ask
to wear shoes, but that's because of the creak and
the cave. I don't want to get anything on the queens.

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Yeah, did it affect your performance, Like did you have
a different energy, because if I dress slutty, you have
a different energy and it's fun, but it's different.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I would say, if anything, I had just more, I
had some props. Now, yeah, I think at one point
I've flicked It's like a little dick when I remember
my friend, my friend I like went to obviously I
washed my hands afterwards, but then I like went to
like shakes handa and they were like and I was like,
oh god, did you have a following at this point?

(01:33:16):
Like no, not really, I wouldn't have done. I would
have felt uncomfortable. And I also it was like, you know, technology,
it wasn't exactly at the point that it is now
where you felt like everyone had their camera on at
all times. Ye so, and it felt like, you know,
there was a no phone's rule, and it felt like
I can trust this no phone's rule where even now
and like unless it's in the bag, you know, you
can't trust the photo exactly. And it was just like

(01:33:36):
it's not even that I would care if the nude
photo and it's just like that it feels like a
loss of autonomy over one's own body that would be
the issue it's not like, oh, I can't get like
if I I released my In fact, I'm actually in
Instagram prison right now because I tried to post phone
moods on my close friends story and they've advanced it,
which I've done before. They've advanced the technology though that

(01:33:59):
it can read ediately. So just if anyone was putting
nudes on their full on their close friends list, and
mine's extremely.

Speaker 6 (01:34:07):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
I mean, they told me, but I'm just in Facebook prison,
like I can't. There's a bunch of things I can't
do until I think Wednesday. Oh okay, it's coming up girl, Yeah, yeah,
you're day in court, I was like, guys, I did
close friends on purpose. I thought this was a trusted
space forever. Yeah. I thought that was a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:34:23):
I thought that's a close friends was right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Because never in the past, like I'll i'll do a nipple,
I didn't do full pussy. I didn't think that was
but it was full. Yeah, it's nice that acknowledged that
my tips were tips.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Yeah yeah, And I was like, you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Know what, that actually made me feel good. That made
me feel nice. Thank you. Instagram validated, but I mean
it immediately ripped it off in a way that it
has never before, because I'll I've tried to slip tit
into even not like main feed feed, but on the stories.
I just like to I think it's funny. Literally, who cares?
I think it's it's funny. Yeah, and so just as
just as a warning for everyone, but a nip slip.

(01:34:59):
They wouldn't reac like that, I imagine, right unless you've
already been fly. I think the girls who have like
only fans instagrams that link to their don't. I've never
linked to anything any thing like that. I don't have that.
I don't even have a Patreon. Yeah. I guess they
just know that I like to cause trouble. Yeah, maybe
it's your pod maybe they've flagged you pod wise, guys,
we fucked as a hashtag has definitely been That's why

(01:35:20):
we stopped. Took the vowels out of it because it
started to be too much of a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Yeah, do you guys feel because I'm sure you guys
get recognized pretty often and you have a fan base,
like when you're doing things like going to a sex
party or engaging in that kind of life, Like, do
you feel self conscious?

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Yeah? Last time I was at a sex party.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Got a fan came up and I was like, don't
like that. Don't like that because that power dynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I don't even if you're like in the room, I
don't want to like feel like you're watching me going
oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
You want to be anonymous in those situations.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah, and like if you're watching, it's for a totally
different reason. You just want to watch people. Fuck, that's
that's okay. But yeah, and I didn't like it. I'm like,
next time I go, I'm gonna wear a mask of
like a hot, little sexy like black lace mask, and
I wear my hair straight so that it's not like
a big billboard coming down the.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Fucking all way. Yeah, because I do think about that
a lot. I would be so embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Yeah, I want to be embarrassed. It would just like
it would kill my ability to get aroused. And I
don't sexist means a lot to me, and I would
fucking hate for that to happen. So I feel like, yeah,
I I this podcast has made me like sex less.
Uh So it's it was actually easier. Like all the
craziest like sex party and stuff I did I did

(01:36:34):
not before this was the thing. But I guess like
before it was at its height. But strip clubs always
get recognized by the dancers. But I think that's cool shit,
that's that's fucking That's like VIP without paying for bottles.
A lot of strippers listen to your podcast. Yes, a
lot of sex workers in general listen to that podcast.
I just love so that is like so cool. I
always feel like the bell of the ball when dancer.

(01:36:55):
You guys need to do a live pod recording out
of strip, we should, Well, they used to. There used
to be a comedy show. I don't know a pole
in it. Well, no, that's like a They actually get
upset when you call that. That's a I mean the
poll dancing. Yeah, that's like a different thing.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
But yeah, there's one an Austin Sunset strip.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Yeah, there's there. Used to be a thing here where
like it was like a comedian got on the speaker
and I don't think it exists anymore, but it was
like more traditional. That sounds fun if you're listening in
your stripper and you want to comedy show your ship clubs.
If I get good in the next year, I'll start
that up. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:29):
They told me at the stand they'd put up a
pole for me if I wanted it. But I'm just
so bad right now that it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Was you want to be good? You want to be good?
Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The only thing where
is than Yeah, you got to be a good It
would ruin your comedy career.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
Yeah, they saw me doing my weird like fire hydrant spin.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
They'd be like, please stop, yeah, please stop. What's the
first move they teach you in pole dancing school? I
love the clapping of the the of the heels.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
So myri got me my first pair of heels.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I can't walk in them. They're seven inches, but the
it's platform toe though, right, it is platform towe because
platform toe I could it's but I'm already five eight Okay,
I'm at five in those.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
Heels, okay jesus. Yeah, it's a lot of body, because
it's a lot of body. The first thing they teach
you is just your poll walk. So that's just like
walking around the pole holding the pole, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Then you do like your does everyone have a pole
walk personality? Well you have to develop, you develop? Yeah,
that's funny voice similar.

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
Yeah, So I do one class where it's a lot
of classes, aren't you don't do the pole at all.
You're just like slinking around the floor and you're like
moving your body essentially around it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Those are my favorite classes. They go over like okay,
like you know this is what like moved your body?
Like yes, yeah, there's just like feel it and see
what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:38:45):
Yeah. So they'll be like prompt so it'll be like, okay,
here's one minute freestyle, like pretend the poll is somebody
you like love.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
So there's stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
For an exits, then there's that, there's other ones. It's
just more like you actually physically learn the moves and
it feels like gymnastics.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Class, you know what I mean that. I like that
a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:39:05):
And then there's like in between of kind of like
freestyle but also like putting choreography together.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
It's like a dance class. Cool, I really want to take.
I feel like i'd be good at that. They have
classes for lave dances. Yeah shit, yeah. Can you in
these classes? Can you record yourself and go home and
give yourself notes? Okay, yeah needs moving. There's a part
of the class where they go take out your phones
and you can record.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Oh okay, god good good, you got to see you
got to be your own director exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
Yeah. I think though there is some beef from me
now following all these girls who teach at the studio,
like between sex workers and then also people who just
like pull for fun, and I think there's like beef
in terms of sex workers being like you're basically becoming
like poll influencers online. You're posting videos of yourself doing
pole and reaping the benefits of this life that we live.

(01:39:55):
That's very hard and like we have to go to
the club every night and it's like dangerous, blah blah.
I think there is some like discourse in beef.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
That does that kind of happened with OnlyFans too, because
so many people became overnight like sex workers. And yeah,
it was so sun YouTuber becoming famous and then going,
IM want to headline the comedy club. You can't fucking
structure a joke. I mean that is true. A lot
of sex workers did become comedians. So it doesn't feel good,
does it. But it's so funny because during COVID I

(01:40:24):
was just saying wild things to my manager because I
was bored. So at one point I was like I
was like, I was like, can I go on America's
got talent, and he goes, current, I'd rather, so have
you started OnlyFans? And I go, oh, okay, I'll start
an only fans and then I and then he said,
but you know, be careful with what you do because
you don't want to be taking money away from actual

(01:40:45):
career sex workers.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
And I was like, yoh's basic manager.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Your manager he is, he's like I always say, and
this is probably I don't know if he feels the
same way I think he does, but I was like,
even if I left the business entirely, I would keep
you as a friend. Yeah, Like that's how much. That's
how I feel.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
That's amazing. Yeah, my mareager would never even think to
say that, but I yeah, but I think there is
beef there because I think a lot of girls start
taking pulled ins and classes are feel super hot by
the cute outfits. You just have Instagrams dedicated to it,
which I totally get. It's so beautiful and you feel
so hot and confident and you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Want to show off and you want to get the
praise and yeah, you look caught as fuck.

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
That's how I feel about New Like, you know, obviously,
like comedians, like since we've all started being comedians, I'm
not sure how long, but like we're on year, what years,
we're on your fourteen as of this year, you're a
and so it's like comedians like when we started, like
you didn't have to be hot, and most comedians were not.
And so comedians have gotten hotter and hotter progressively. Uh
with you know, Internet, social media obviously, just people get

(01:41:48):
in botox, a lot of things happened, and so I
have always posted hot like photos. It's just something I
like to do. I think it has to do with
like me being raised in a house that loves horror
and like scream queens, and sexuality was always very like
embraced in my household. But now everyone's kind of doing
it and monetizing it, and I'm like, no, I actually like,

(01:42:11):
will not monetize it. I actually wish there was an
Instagram where men couldn't look at it. And I'm like,
it actually devalues it that men can see this. But
I still want to post this and I will never
not pull men stop you. Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
So then you're like You're like, they're not going to
stop me. But also I don't like that so fuck you,
they're at a show because they saw this or that
it makes them think that they have certain access to me.

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
I feel so hot when I'm like taking a nude
don't pull dancing class, and I always think about how
the second there's a gaze on it, it kind of
ruins it. Like even like I don't think I could
have sex with a guy that would be as hot
to be as how I feel looking at myself pull dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Hell yeah, you know. Yeah, And I seem to.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
Like posting nudes or whatever, Like sometimes I don't even
know who I'm posting it for. I guess myself. Yeah,
because like when guys are like I want to fuck you, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Like, you know, it ruins your day. It ruins your
There's something beautiful about a woman just stepping into her
own version of her personal sexuality, and like when you
when you feel that way and you're locked in, you
do want to share it just because yeah, it's but
also like I love Beyonce. Beyonce to me is one
of the sexiest women on the planet the way she
owns her sexuality. And like whenever I see women on

(01:43:21):
the internet like owning it, I'm like, oh, it gets
so excited. But I also like you. I'm like, I
wish men just couldn't see this. It would just be scales.

Speaker 6 (01:43:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah, I guess you could make you want to pains
takingly go through a close friends lesson only make it
women right, because it's just so beautiful. It's so sexy
to watch a woman be sexy and share it and
feel sexy sharing it. I just love that. I think
it's very powerful love.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
Women are just sexual, and I don't feel like men are.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Yeah, I know that's why when you find one's super kinky,
you're like, where have you been all my life? Are well?
I mean we're talking about Saltburn a lot, but I
feel like in Saltburn they really captured like men owning
their sexuality. And I really really fucking loved that. I
like the other guy better that they carry Irish guy.
But he's great hot. He's got a fucking glow up. Yeah,

(01:44:07):
well he was always. He always looked like that. He
just got a stylist. I guess he's very interesting and
his face is kind of like almost a little bit
he's going to say yeah, But he's like dating Sabrina Carpenter,
which is what a couple. What a couple? Truly? I
love that. Yeah, and I love any movie that lets

(01:44:29):
men kind of I mean, like, yeah, fuck a grave.
You know, I think men.

Speaker 6 (01:44:34):
I think that's why I think I like bisexual men
because I think there's something like like feminine about the
way that they own their sexuality. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
I think they could kind of own their own every
every person has their masculine side on their feminine side,
and it's it's nice when a guy like like very
sexily owns his feminine side.

Speaker 6 (01:44:52):
Yeah, because there is a vulnerability and intimacy to sexuality,
and so I think men are afraid of touching that. Yeah,
so they just end up being these kind of like
dominating not that domination isn't sexual, but.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
You have you have one note. It's like it's one note.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
Yeah, there has to be a vulnerability. Yes, So I
think that's what's so beautiful about women.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Have you ever watched a male partner fuck a guy
and not been involved? I see this. I'm very I
would be very into that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:18):
Ever, I've never watched one of my partners a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Oh yeah, have you watched a partner for a woman? No?

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
So fun?

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
No, no, no, we haven't.

Speaker 6 (01:45:27):
We haven't done like a threeesom or anything yet. Yeah, yeah,
I still new, still new, Yeah, well to have no, No, No,
I haven't. But I remember from a young age, like
even my boyfriend in high school we were long distance
for a bit and I would be like, you should
look up with other girls.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
I always like wanted.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
I always liked that, So that was always a part
of my relationships where I was like, you should hook
up with someone, you know. Yeah, But then I would
get cheated on in a way like I've been cheated
on a few times and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Like, you've said you've hookup no, And I'm like, it
would have.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
Been okay if you just asked me if this could
be a bad indree or whatever, because I would have
actually liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
But because you betrayed me it, Yeah, it's still and void. Yeah, absolutely,
But some people the kink is doing it behind your
back unfortunately, like they like, had you allowed it, I
think they wouldn't have found interest in it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:13):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
It's a real conundrum.

Speaker 6 (01:46:16):
Yeah, cheating is unfortunately hot, Like there's like a real
so high stakes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
It's so like cheating you mean cheating, not getting cheated
off right, I was yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
No no no no no no no no no no.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
I just mean getting cheated on is the least hot thing.
No no, no, no no no. I just mean like
horn your own church on Easter.

Speaker 6 (01:46:39):
I just feel like we've like sneaking around is hot
and of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
I don't know if you've ever like had sex with
somebody who was like in a relationship or like like
they they were cheated, but that to me is the
hottest version.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
And I'm like why why? And I know, I'm like
if the guy left the person, I'd be like I
want to know, of course. It's it's so hot, fucking nerves.
The steaks are so high and i's sex. It's like
you need high stakes to be intriguing.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
Yeah, that's what it's like wrong and like what we
were saying earlier, when things are too like correct in
sex and too like discussed beforehand and too perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:47:18):
Can I touch you here? Can I touch you here?
Can I touch you here?

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
So unfortunately, I think with cheating, the reason it feels
so high stakes and hot is because it's so wrong
and like yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Even like with celebrities, I keep waiting for us to
get to a place where if we get word that
someone you know, cheated on their significant other, that it
doesn't have to be like reputation. It doesn't, yeah, rule
the reputation. And also like we don't we don't know
the rules of their relationship.

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
It's just so it's still such like a heteronormative dynamic
going on, and like we just have no idea what's
going on in their lives. They're fucking celebrities. They're already
living in a different world than we're living in. Why
are we why are we like projecting our pauper standard.
John m'laney started was dating Olivia on and then she
was pregnant. I was like, but I felt like I

(01:48:06):
was internalizing because I agree. But I can't wait to
read and to read her book the memoir. Oh okay,
wait for that Bookay I just a woman like the
wrath of a woman in memoir form, I mean, just
you and you know that writing it day? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

(01:48:29):
I hope he was angry messages. The craziest sh it though,
because John Alaney didn't want kids.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
He just was happy with her and the dog can't
Olivia Munk comes along, not that it's her fault, but
like it's he.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Takes to to tango. But as a group, we didn't
like we did not like her, We did not like her.
I know she's been really trying hard at female friendships. Yes,
that went down. We know what's going on, Olivia. And
uh and then she's pregnant. I'm like, bit yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:57):
We we do really morally celebrities in a way, and
I think they live in a different universe than fame
as a mental illness.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
And I want to undo this and I feel it too,
but like this embarrassment that we feel when I quote
woman gets cheated on like that, we feel it's like
it's not it's not good, it's not we should be
like pity her, and we should feel embarrassed that the guy.
Yeah but the guy did. And I don't know how
to undo that or like what like I will, how
would you write a headline, like if you ran a

(01:49:26):
newspaper and you would write focks around but that those
make cool? Yes, because guys, he's a bad boy. What
if I just wrote this piece of ship dot dot
dot in his pants?

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
But you know what, guys being pieces of ship doesn't
ruin their I it doesn't. That's the difference. Women. Yeah,
we can't see that headline and it's like, well now
I want or no, not even that, but like I
want to fuck the guy who is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
The bad boy. Yeah, you know the fuck is it's yeah,
and then we'll be like why are you a band boy?
And it's like I did this yeah to myself? Yeah,
like women who's still there was like a large number
of women who still wanted to fuck R. Kelly after
we knew he was like sprinkling ky on fourteen year olds,
and I go, I that's wrong with us. I don't
think that those women were molested and they're trying to

(01:50:17):
like get back at something. I know, the psychological thing
of like some people will be raped and then the
one to go back to the rapist to have sex
kind of take control. This is the event story. We
hope that's what it is. We really hope, really really
really really really or women who are like I hope
Chris Brown punches me in the face and you go, no,
is everything okay with everyone?

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
Were you guys like on TikTok for the big like
when everyone was obsessed with Maddie Healy the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Five Yeah, yeah, I mean what he do was everywhere.
That was that was the tailor of Swift nineteen seventy
five guy with ice, spice drama.

Speaker 6 (01:50:50):
But I remember like looking at he would like there
was always videos of him on stage reading the signs.
Girls were like holding up and they were literally like,
stomp on my face, kill me, kill my family.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
And he was like, what the fuck is wrong with
you guys? And I was like, why why are we here?

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Ladies?

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
We shouldn't lean into everything. Okay, some parts of ourselves
should be healed. I just read a sign a des
MOI like blind item about it was obviously about Matty
Heally and Taylor Swift that says like, basically, he just
fucking kind of ghosted her. Yeah he was. He was
just I mean, he obviously couldn't handle it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
I imagine dating her as a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
It's yeah, and I'm a Swifty, I'm a big Swift.
I'm a big Swifty too, But I kind of I
agree that it's it's at a certain level you're too
famous to even how do you even do that? And
I think that's why it lasted so long with Joe
was because they kind of removed themselves from that. But
then she was like, no, I literally love famous all
I've ever wanted and respect to her for that.

Speaker 6 (01:51:49):
Yeah, I can, like, do you do you find it
hard to date being like semi public figures?

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
Like do you are?

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
There like a unique sets of problems only because of
the nature of this show has If this show was
not about and relationships, it would not It's not We're
not famous enought that impacted in that way. Yeah, I
mean there are still people who you're like in the
industry are like are they do you like me? Or
are you using me? Okay? Every now and then that again,
that'll that'll come up, But it's mostly when people ask

(01:52:17):
you to like get them past at clubs, okay, and
I go, well, that doesn't feel like a girlfriend job.
Have either of you dated comics? I dated a lot
of comics. I've slept with comics. I've never dated one.
Feelings on it, thought love it? Oh, when I was
in a relationship for seven years and then when we
broke up, I actually I technically I cheated on him
and then the next day I just broke up with him.
Because I was like, I can't live with myself if

(01:52:38):
I can't carry on because I was too pussy to
break up with them. But yeah, I had a list
of comics I wanted to have sex with. One of
them in particular, really knocked it out of the park.
You did so excited. Yes, was so excited to find
like he was really kinky. But he's never like he
didn't get to try stuff out with other women because
he's like, did not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
I don't know, I don't know why. Uh So we
got to like have a fucking field day him and I.
It's hard to this day to be in a room
with him without.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Are these like famous comedians Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Actually
one of them, maybe more famous than the other, was
so god awful. I and I never really had bad
sex before. Why would you be crazy, Like when I
was sixteen and stuffing. That's so young. I didn't know

(01:53:25):
what I was doing, but like, don't be lazy and
then just back. It was the strangest experience with this
one guy who was yeah, very famous.

Speaker 6 (01:53:33):
Interesting And you've hooked up a lot of comedians.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean in my twenties and I hooked
up a lot of comedias, just kind of like went
through the list. But I don't fuck famous people though,
so decided anyone who can drag me down getting anyone
that I'm in there, Okay, anyone who if anyone, if
it was released publicly that we had sex, it would
make my value go down in the industry. That's why

(01:53:57):
I'm interested in Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:54:00):
So like you wouldn't hook up with like Leonardo DiCaprio
if given the opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Actually just talked about that. It's ugly, by the way,
I'm not I've never been a Leo. That's yeah, Ryan
go I wouldn't hook up with him because I would
just be a blip in his memory. But not interested.
But he's such at about.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
What I would mean to him. I want to experience
fucking Ryan Gosling for me, I don't you know?

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Interesting, That's what I would get out of it. No,
if someone, if I know, if I know going into it,
the person's not going to remember me. I'm not interested
in partaking. I don't need it for the plot as
the kids.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
Yeah, I feel I'm a very like whatever the most
interesting experiences, I want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Yeah, have you ever sucked a famous person. No, no,
I think this is the year that it could probably
happen for me. I don't want to because that's how
the universal technically can fuck them. I guess I technically could,
I guess, But I feel like you're like too blinded
by love to want to and too I know I'm

(01:55:00):
such a loser right now. It's beautiful, you know, enjoy it? Yeah,
I don't know. I didn't have like the fun early twenties.

Speaker 6 (01:55:08):
I wasn't like really hot in my early twenties, and
so I didn't like get like hot girls shit like
I didn't get to hang out with like I've never
hung out with like rich older men.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I missed out on that. I don't have any rich friends.
Every summer, I go, where's the pool, where's the yacht
I have? I'm just fucking sitting in my yard but
putting a hose on myself. Yeah, every time, every time
ago I was surely I thought I would have rich
friends by now.

Speaker 6 (01:55:31):
My one regret in this life is that I didn't
have my like rich horrible boyfriend or guy I was
fucking that took me and my friends on a yacht Spain.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
I agree, it's never happened to me have that. I know,
where do they? Where are they finding these guys? So
so I just walked through so yeah, like with a
sign like I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:55:50):
I didn't have a lot of I don't think I
had enough interesting weird New York sex experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
I had a lot of weird experiences, but yeah, none
of them were like rich. They were all like, oh,
we're in danger. You know, that's fun I had, especially abroad. Yeah,
I think the problem with the rich we I just
don't like being aroundly every time at so whole House,
I go, everyone here is awful. It sucks. They're awful.
I hate it everyone, and it sucks because the buffet
is so good. And this it's the sense you need.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
You need.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
You need low key rich people. Yeah right, the ones
that were like crocs, Yeah, like a you need like
a tech guy, probably tech rich. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah,
Well this has been fun. Yeah, I gotta wrap up.
What would you like to promote stuff? I'm going on tour?

Speaker 6 (01:56:38):
So hell yeah, So you can find information about that
on my Instagram at stuff DAGs And that's that's all
I need to promote right now. Just come just come
see me live in the flash don't kill me though.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Don't kill her. Well, thank you so much for being
on our show. We appreciate it. This has been Guys
We Fucked, the anti slut shaming podcast. We'll talk to
you next Friday. Guys We Fucked is presented by Luminary,
Created and hosted by Karn Fisher and Christina Hutchinson. Editing
and music coordination by Mike Coscarelli. Theme song by Rob
Patterson and Jake Cozen Suck my wet ass pussy. Christina said,

(01:57:14):
to cut that before, but now it's in there. Yeah,
let's keep it. Who cares? Okay, let's do this.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Make but you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
Me in a.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
Not a leg loose. It's a watch. I see you
know you say, can.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
My way.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Go way? I don't want to waite stays pay?

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
It made me a way.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
To let stay should say that attempts to.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
Me you

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Do

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