White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse

White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse

FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. He was taking down these groups from within. And Scott was good at it — people confided in him their most audacious plans for mass violence and domestic terrorism. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Coming March 25, 2025. This series was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.

Episodes

October 21, 2021 3 mins

‘White Hot Hate’ follows the extraordinary case of a Canadian journalist who infiltrated an international neo-Nazi extremist network. Host Michelle Shephard explores the rise of white supremacist accelerationism: the ultra-violent ideology that drives believers to create chaos, in order to seize ultimate control.

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When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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A tipster reveals that Patrik — who talked about derailing trains and setting off explosives — was a member of the Army Reserve. Does the military have a problem with neo-Nazis in its ranks? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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November 2, 2021 35 mins

Outed as a member of The Base, Patrik Mathews disappears. His abandoned truck is discovered near the Canada-U.S. border. He could be heading to a training camp. But what exactly are they training for? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

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Coming March 25, 2025. FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his...

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March 25, 2025 30 mins

After chatting online, it’s FBI undercover Special Agent Scott Payne's first in-person meeting with The Base. Alone. Now he just needs to convince the international neo-Nazi network that he's one of them.


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How does a young, self-proclaimed redneck end up becoming one of the most storied undercover agents of our time? We trace Agent Payne’s path from a satan-worshiping southern high school student, all the way to becoming a “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.” 

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Scott Payne is a big, intimidating, Harley-riding guy. He’s the perfect choice to infiltrate the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. For him, it’s a dream assignment - getting inside an international criminal organization whose arch-rival is the Hell's Angels. 


Then, things go bad. Really bad. 

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April 15, 2025 44 mins

Scott is deep undercover in the Outlaws, becoming close friends with members of the dangerous biker gang. But you can only get so deep for so long. And now Scott is at risk of losing everything: his marriage, his body and his mind.

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April 22, 2025 35 mins

Scott re-enters the life of an undercover agent with a new assignment: infiltrate a chapter of the KKK. With white supremacist violence on the rise, he finds himself in the middle of a field in Alabama - about to join the Klan. 

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We return to Scott’s time with The Base, the neo-Nazi accelerationist group bent on sparking a race war. Taking down this violent cell of white supremacists takes everything he’s learned in his decades-long undercover career. 


And then… retirement. For someone who has spent his whole life pretending to be someone he’s not: who is Scott Payne? 

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