September 9, 2025 • 64 mins
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Honest Conversations
It's time to have an honest conversation about violent crime in America. Clay and Buck focus on two recent tragedies: the stabbing death of a 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska on public transit in Charlotte, North Carolina, and the murder of Julie Gard Schnuelle, a veterinary professor in Auburn, Alabama. Both crimes were committed by individuals with extensive criminal histories, raising questions about the failures of the criminal justice system, particularly regarding repeat offenders and lenient judges.
Using these cases as a springboard, the hosts dive into broader themes of media bias, racial crime statistics, and the perceived ideological failures of progressive criminal justice reform. They argue that mainstream outlets like The New York Times and CNN downplay or distort stories that challenge left-wing narratives, especially when the victims are white and the perpetrators are black. The show critiques the media’s tendency to frame such incidents as “political symbols” rather than national tragedies, and highlights the role of viral video footage in bypassing traditional media gatekeeping.
Trump on Crime
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt addressing the Charlotte murder, condemning Democrat-backed policies like cashless bail and restorative justice. She announces President Trump’s executive order to identify jurisdictions with such policies and potentially cut federal funding to them. Leavitt also touts Trump’s success in securing the southern border, noting that for four consecutive months, zero illegal immigrants were released into the U.S.—a milestone in immigration enforcement.
NC Rep. Tim Moore
North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore joins the show to give a detailed analysis of the criminal justice system’s failures, and a newly released statement from President Donald Trump. The episode is rich in SEO-relevant themes including Charlotte stabbing, violent crime in America, Trump crime policy, cashless bail, restorative justice, judicial accountability, and media bias.
Congressman Moore discusses the bipartisan outrage over the murder and the systemic breakdown that allowed a repeat offender—arrested 14 times—to remain free. Moore reveals that the magistrate judge who released the suspect, Teresa Stokes, never passed the bar exam and was appointed, not elected. He and other North Carolina Republicans are demanding her removal and drafting legislation to hold judges personally liable when their decisions lead to violent crimes. Moore also supports federal efforts to withhold funding from jurisdictions that fail to enforce cash bail policies.
The hosts and Moore emphasize the need for the full release of the stabbing video, arguing that public exposure to such evil is necessary to drive reform. They compare the media’s treatment of this case to the George Floyd incident, noting the disparity in coverage and public reaction. The video reportedly shows bystanders failing to help the victim, sparking a broader conversation about societal apathy and the erosion of basic humanity.
How About Justice?
President Trump speaks out condemning Democrat-run cities for enabling violent crime through soft-on-crime policies. He calls for aggressive law enforcement, praises the success of his crime crackdown in Washington, D.C., and vows to make America’s cities safe again. Trump’s remarks reinforce his administration’s stance on law and order and highlight the political divide over criminal justice reform.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome in Tuesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we embark
on another day of true telling in what is often
a sea of anarchy and breaklely lies. We're going to
update you on a strike that has taken place inside
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of Qatar, targeting Hamas leaders who had been running Hamas
from there. What the full impact is we will dive
into that and what it means going forward in the
Middle East again, big story there. These were the Hamas
leaders who helped to set in motion the October seventh
(01:18):
terror attack, and this was again a very targeted strike
against the absolute top of Hamas inside of Katar. Now,
there are a lot of different angles to hit on this,
and I know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, Buck,
But I have been reading all weekend long and into
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the start of the week all about what happened in
Charlotte where this young, innocent, twenty three year old woman
was stabbed in cold blood on public transportation in Charlotte
by an individual who'd been previously arrested fourteen times. And
I know you talked about this sum yesterday by but
(02:00):
my Twitter feed and my email has been blown up
from people talking about the veterinarian in Auburn, Alabama, who
was murdered also by another individual that should have never
been out on the streets. And I know many of
you out there have seen these stories, but it's important
(02:22):
to recognize that by and large, there is no coverage
of stories like these in the New York Times, in
the Washington Post, at CNN, MSNBC. They mostly ignore it
because it tells a story that they do not want
to address or even acknowledge in any way. And In fact,
(02:42):
when they do cover it, it's often covered through the
prism of oh, people on the right are upset about
this event, as if that is the reason why it
should be covered. And I know you dove into this
and we've talked about it a lot on the program,
but I don't think you can so major issues of
violent crime in this country until we have an actual
(03:05):
conversation about where violent crime is coming from. And overwhelmingly,
violent crime in this country is clustered in black neighborhoods,
often involving young black men. That is a reality. It
makes people uncomfortable to even mention because oh, my goodness,
it's racist in some way. And in fact, I want
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to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic
of being fearful of actually addressing the issue at hand.
And this was from CNN where they talk about it
only in the context of, well, some people online are
upset about this. And this is Brian Stelter on CNN
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saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol and unfortunately,
in his mind, many things that are being said online
are quote baldly racist. So listen to cut two.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
This story has trickled up from local news to social
media and now to the President's attention, and it's being used,
as you said, Brian, as a political symbol, with MAGA
media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration. I
have to say some of the replies to Musks, some
of the comments around this story are baldly racist, stoking
fear of African Americans because this man attacked a white woman.
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The open racism on sites like x Today.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
It's eye popping.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But there are also legitimate questions about this so called
career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender, and
those questions I hope they're not lost amid all of
the cesspool kind of comments on social media.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, well, I think this is an important conversation we
should have, Buck, and I know you talked about it
some yesterday. It is not racist to point out the
race of someone who commits a violent crime.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Here is what.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Let me just make it c because I think this
is important and I know you guys get it, but
maybe in your conversations you're nervous about having conversations about
this because you're afraid of being called racist.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Here is what is racist.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a
crime because you are black, with no evidence whatsoever of
that being the case, right, That is racism. It is
not racist to look at data and say, boy, of
all the murders that are being committed in America, the
vast majority, if you analyze it from a per capita basis,
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are being committed by young black men.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And we should have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
About why that is, because the data actually reflects that
if young black men committed, for instance, rates of violent
crime at the same rate as white or Asian young
men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime rate
in the United States that is anywhere approaching what we
have here now, right, I mean, it would actually be
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at least two or three times as safe of a country.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
If you were to eliminate just the disparity in the
black crime raided in this country, I believe we would be,
on a per capita basis, have fewer homicides than Canada.
So that gives you some sense of which has actually
I think had some crime problems in recent more recent years.
But uh, there's a huge disparity by the numbers. But
I wanted to focus in on U for a moment.
(06:18):
Of course, Stelter, who what what did Tucker used to
call him? Like the village eunuch or something like this.
He had some phrase for him that h that was
particularly Yeah, Brian Stelter is really a perfect representation of uh,
like low te liberal the future is feminine.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, the white the white male of the Democrat
Party is is essentially comprised of first and foremost. And
for him to say that it raises questions. No, I
don't think it actually raises questions. We have the answers claim. Yeah,
when someone has been arrested fourteen times, when they've sexually
assaulted women or assaulted women, I think I should violently
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assaulted women two times previously. This is somebody who needs
to be taken out of circulation for a while. And
you want to try rehab. You want to try to
you know, to bring Jesus into his life, you want
to make him a better person. Fine, do so in
a facility also known as a prison. That is the
reality that we have to deal with here. Okay, that
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is what has to happen. The decision was made here
over and over again to let this individual continue to
terrorize people, and we have to ask why what is
the mindset we're going to have on a state senator
from Is it a state senator? Yeah, thank you, who
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represent this area from North Carolina represents this area. We'll
ask about what the processes are, if there are any,
to hold judges accountable. It's very hard in general. Clay
could go into this at length. It's very hard in
general to hold judge is accountable for anything. Uh, you can,
there's a process, but it's difficult. But we should ask
why did this judge decide to let this guy go
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effectively unpunished. It's not like he just got out of
a twenty five year sentence and decided to reoffend. I mean,
this guy was wandering around the streets and was obviously
a threat to people. So Clay, I just I completely
reject this. Oh, there are legitimate questions, you know, Stelzers,
the legitimate questions raise by the way the system may
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have felt. No, this is actually the system giving the
product that the system wants to give, which is higher
crime rates, more risk to the general population, more risk
to women, more risk to minorities, disproportionately because it makes
certain people feel better about themselves because they think some
of this conversation is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Icky, that's the essence of it. A lot of people
are uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows. And to me,
you cannot address an issue until you objective and rationally
examine it. And this is why I said the whole
BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen
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very often. That is violent white attacks on black people
because of their race. It's almost non existent in the country.
Not say that it never happeneds almost non existent. In fact,
if you go look at the data, the number of
white people that engage of violent acts against black people
is almost almost zero.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And statistically, it's also true, Clay, we talked about this yesterday.
It's also true that police killing or even using excessive
force against unarmed black men statistically is very very rare.
But isn't it fascinating, Clay. We can have one after
another suicide bomber, all yelling a lot huakbar, all from
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the same religious background, all having similar profiles, and we're
told that's not representative, that doesn't count, there's no problem
them there. But then there'll be one cop involved in
one incident with whether it's George Floyd or Mike Brown,
and whole neighborhoods have to burn down and everybody has
to sit around and bend the knee and beg forgiveness
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for the past wrongs. I have done nothing. I have
done nothing racist. I am not a part of any
racist system, and I absolutely reject all of that crap.
And I think people have just realized that's where you
got to be with this. You can't play the game
anymore well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And here is where I think the media often, very
often is incredibly flawed. And we talk about this, but
and I know many of you think about it, I
don't know that you really think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
On a central level.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Most of media today is anecdote, and I think that
is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone, and so
any incident can go viral. To me an honest, media
only covers anecdote when it is representative of a larger
issue that needs to be address.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It should align with the data. But we see the
opposite where they actually try to pretend the anecdote is
the data or representative of the data.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
This is why it is a lie.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is a lie by statistics, or it is a
lie by the omission of reality.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And so if and you all know this, but if that,
if that had been a young black girl twenty three
year old sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and
a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every
single television station in America would lead with it for
multiple days. We would all have to have national conversations.
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You would blame Trumpers in.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It, by the way, they would say, this is this
is what happens in Trump somewhere.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They would take it right to Trump. You and I
know that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And so if you are not treating this in a
similar fashion, And by the way, all of you out
there in right wing land, although I would submit it
is just sanity land, who are listening to us right now,
all of you would be immersed in that story. You
would not be able to avoid it because right wing
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media would cover it too well. The left basically doesn't
cover this story. All of you are aware of it.
But I think it's important that we have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Okay, we could just take calls, and we have before
where we have black listeners to this show who will
just call in and say that this is we are
discussing the reality of the media's treatment of these subjects.
We get to take calls for an hour from people
listening right now to our audience who are black, would say, yeah,
the media is playing games here.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's it's the media that is doing the misrepresentation. It's
the media that is bringing these narratives and the Democrat
Party and all this stuff about structural racism and everything else.
They bring ideology into this. We just want there to
be less crime. We want everyone to be safer. We
want to do what is necessary so that nobody black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim, jew.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
No one's going to stabbed on the subway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's actually the goal here, and then we treat everyone
as an individual. But treating people as individuals also means
viewing their right to be safe walking down the street
in their neighborhood as more important than what your friends
at the golf club. After you're done with your MSNBC
hit in Chevy Chase, think about what you said on TV.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And objective data.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
If we are going to truly address violent crime, Objective
data reflects that young black men in particular overwhelmingly are
responsible for violent crime. So if we are going to
put more police on the streets and if we are
going to address violent crime that is going to lead
to more young black men being arrested. That's not racism. Again,
(13:48):
I think this kills the argument, but I think it's
one good one to put in your back pocket. It's
not sexism that men are arrested for around ninety five
percent of all violent crimes. It's because men are more
violent as a group than women are. Okay, So I
think this story is huge. I think it goes to
the essence of Frankly where Trump is right, which is
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saying we can't live in a country where violent crimes
like these are allowed to happen, and when the people
perpetrating them have been arrested fourteen times.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well, this is the other part.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There's so many layers here, Clay, this is there's there's
failure of the narrative. The Democrats want to tell you.
There's the lie that we can all see.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I told you.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the
Jesse Smolette documentary. I mean it is high comedy that
anyone believed. But let's remember Clay.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
First of all, he was fine. He had like a
tiny scratch.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It looked like he maybe cut himself shaving, and it
was a national outrage. Yes, Kamala Harris was weighing in,
I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's still up. It was a huge Oh my gosh,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All the racism against black people, all the all the
anti LGBTQ, all this stuff all a lie, okay, but
that was immediate national conversation. A Ukrainian refugee bruly murdered
because Assistan completely fail there because the system is too
afraid of looking like it's racist when it enforces the law.
That's actually not a conversation we should have as a country.
Which one of those things matters more to the American
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Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think that this doesn't help the black community because
one it allows violence to continue, but two liberal white
people who are trying to say, oh, we can't have
this conversation, they actually don't want things to get better.
And I think a lot of black voters are slowly
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Caroline Levett White House best Secretary is speaking about the
Decarl Brown murder, alleged murder on that light rail.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Let's hear what the press sector has to say. Play.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yes, this monster should have been locked up and Arena
should still be alive. But Democrat politicians, liberal judges, and
weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals
and protect their communities.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
And perhaps most shamefully of all, the majority of the media.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Many outlets in this room decided that her murder was
not worth reporting on originally because it does not fit
a preferred narrative. Many of the journalists in this room
spills plenty of ink trying to smear Daniel Penny for
defending a subway car from a deranged lunatic in New
York City, but none of those same reporters lift a
finger to write stories about an actual murderer. Here's the
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truth that every American must know. Too many innocent people
across the country continue to pay the price of the
failed experiment known as cashless bail that has been championed
by the Democrat Party four years. All the way back
in twenty twenty, North Carolina's then Democrat Governor Roy Cooper
established a so called Task Force for Racial Equity and
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Criminal Justice.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Sounds nice, but it's not.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
That task force was co authored by then Attorney General
and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein. It recommended quote reimagining
public safety to quote promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest.
It also advised to de emphasize some felony crimes, prioritize
quote restorative justice, and eliminate cash bail. Democrats in North
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Carolina and nationwide are consumed with pushing a woke, soft
on crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer
as a result. Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up
violent criminals, the Democrat backed cashless bail approach lets these
criminals roam free in our country to offend.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Again and again.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
These reckless policies have turned too many many of American
cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our
justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and recavoc on law
abiding citizens. Enough is enough, and that is why President
Trump is doing everything in his power by taking action
to undo these absurd policies. The President recently signed a
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powerful executive order directing the AG to submit a list
of states in local jurisdictions with cashless bail policies so
that the Trump administration may identify federal funds that can
are being provided to these states and can potentially be
suspended or terminated.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
President Trump firmly believes.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
That to maintain order in public safety, we must incarcerate
individuals who's pending criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a
clear ongoing risk to civil society. This is a common
sense and sensible approach that the vast majority of Americans
agree with, and it's time for the Democrat Party to
get on board with what is right. When these criminals
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are caught, they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent
of the law and be sent to prison where they
can no longer terrorize our streets. This is the mandate
the American people delivered to President Trump, and it's a
mandate he intends to fulfill. Staying on the topic of
public safety, new preliminary data released today by Customs and
Border Protection in August shows that President Trump has delivered
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the most secure border in American history.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
For the fourth straight.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Month, zero illegal aliens were released into the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
All right, so Clay, let's come back here. Though, I
will say that's a very important statue. Just through out there,
she was switching that the border is entirely secure. I
want to get to the conversation about criminal justice, of course,
but she just threw that in there at the end
as we were transitioning out of our live feed. The
borders is secure in terms of illegal alien crossings. This
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isn't if you had told me that Trump had achieved
in eighty percent or ninety percent reduction, I would say, wow,
that's that's really a remarkable turnaround, great success. It's more
like a ninety nine point something percent reduction. It's it's
almost a total, a totally secure border, at least when
it comes to illegal crossings. So that's one piece of this.
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But I think Caroline Levitt, obviously fired up about this.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Is a mom.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
She's a young woman. She's a young mom, she's a wife.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
She has to you know, she knows where it is
to be on public transit. She probably takes the subway
in d C cent a metro they call it in DC.
Sometimes I think for women, in particular Clay, who see
this video, it is their worst imaginable horror that they're
just going through their day and some maniac stabs them
with a knife from behind for absolutely no reason. And
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although I know there are people that are starting to ask, well,
what was the motivation behind this and was there was
there a hate crime angle to this?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Notice that's not being talked about very much.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But nonetheless, Clay, the feelings that people have about this
coming out right now, I think it's important, it's powerful,
and it's good that the White House is addressing it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and again, the end goal here should be we
should drive down the number of murders in this country massively.
And I just this is one of those things that
sometimes I can't believe that Democrats are lined up in
opposition to this, because I just don't see this as
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a remotely part is an issue everyone out there should
be in favor of way lower rates of violent crime.
And for Democrats basically to come out and say, well,
rates of violent crime are actually getting better, Okay, I
hope that's true to a large extent better just means
we're going back to what the numbers looked like before
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the BLM protests and COVID that was still too high.
So I don't understand why you wouldn't extend your hand.
I give credit to Mayor Muriel Bowser of DC for saying,
this is something I want to work with the president on.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Let's actually make it safer.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I saw the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Numbers shared the other day. Murders are down sixty percent
in Washington, d C. Since Trump mobilized a national Guard
and took control of the crime issues in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That he can do that over the course of a
year or over the course of a couple of years.
I would hope that he can. But even if he can't,
there are dozens of kids and I say kids because
most of them are young, that are going to be
walking around in DC this fall that would otherwise be
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dead if the president hadn't taken that action. How can
you say that's a bad thing. And the number of
left wing white people because I look at these protests
and it's all white people walking around saying we don't
want more troops on the streets. We don't want more cops.
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They live in such a crazy fantasy world and their
brains are so broken that what they're basically doing is
marching in favor of violence overwhelmingly directed at young black
and brown people, which is ostensibly what the entire purpose
of Black Lives Matter was. Right now, it was flawed
because the premise of BLM was, oh, cops are the
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reason why young black men are being killed at high rates.
It's not actually true at all. Young black men are
being killed at high rates by other young black men.
No one, well, if you look at the data, is
able to argue anymore buck that police are somehow the problem.
You're seeing how many lives police protected, because as soon
as they weren't able to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Murder rate skyrocketing.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
We're also seeing a shift in perception that is related
to an old, longstanding policy of lib news organizations. And
I remember project example, this is New York One is
a channel in New York Clay, New York City. That is,
if if Pravda was like transported from the Soviet Union
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to New York City, it would be New York One.
I mean, it is so left wing, it is so
all about whatever the party needs whatever the committee decides
of the left. But you could see there. You could
see it on local news as well, and I would
watch I watch this. I watched local news in New
York growing up right. I would watch these different channels.
Actually had an aunt who was a well known local
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news broadcaster for many years in New York.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And she's the one with red hair for those of
you who are wondering.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And the common thing you'd see is, oh, well, there
was a report today of a of a you know,
a violent, you know, violent maniac, like chasing somebody and
hitting somebody in the head with a rock. And we
have a suspect here. The suspect is five 't ten,
one hundred and eighty five pounds in mail. But then
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they'd also sometimes show the you know, they'd show like
a sketch, a police sketch, and you'd look at, okay,
so this is a black guy.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But they wouldn't say that. They would they.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Would often just leave out the description of the suspect
by race. They would just describe it as a man
hundred and eighty five pounds, And this became more and
more common. Also, they remove the racial descriptor from headlines,
depending on who it is. If the white guy stab
somebody in you know, stab somebody to death in Staten Island,
trust me, they're gonna make sure you all know that
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it's a white guy stab somebody death.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
They do this.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
This has been long standing policy that they won't describe
the race of a perpetrator if the race is black
or Hispanic, generally speaking, local news, a lot of others,
or they'll try to bury it far down. This has changed, though,
Clay because of body cameras, because of surveillance cameras, and
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because of the free sharing of that information on x SO.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Now, whenever there's a really see crime that occurs somewhere
in the country, you know what, a producer Alley just
send us something, didn't They drive like a truck into
a what was it a watch store or something and
they beat some.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Eighty eight year old guy.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Whenever there's a really we get to see who's doing it.
So the media can tell us as much as they
want that we're not actually observing a pattern. But people
are observing a pattern because they can see on the
video what is happening in this instance and in many
other cases just like it. And this is where I
come back to At its best, the job of the
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media should be to take anecdote and utilize it to
tell a story about why something larger matters, because all
of us respond to individual stories better than we do
raw data.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So you can sit back and say, hey.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The rate of violent crime in Memphis, Tennessee is whatever
it is per one hundred thousand, and you can put
that into a flow chart, and some people you and
I would be data nerds who would look at this
and say, oh, let's address this. Most people don't respond
to numbers. They respond to story. And so the murder
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of the twenty three year old young Ukrainian girl on
video as it was is actually illustrative of rates of
violent crime that are too high. And so the same
thing happening with Lake and Riley and her murder an
in Athens, Georgia. All of these are crystallizing larger issues
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that exist. The problem with left wing media is they
largely tell stories that are not representative of larger issues.
Like I don't know if you talked about this yesterday,
but compare how Daniel Penny on public transit in New
York City responding to a violent person who has a
(29:03):
long history of crimes in the past, who was making
threats on public transportation. Look get how that response was covered.
I mean they charged him with a crime. Compared to
how it's been covered in the Washington Post, for instance,
or MSNBC and CNN what happened on the public transit
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in Charlotte, I mean, it's impossible to justify that from
a news gathering perspective.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You know, The Blaze and others have reported this Clay,
but I haven't seen this getting more widespread coverage yet.
But we looked into this, We've played the audio, We've
put it through GROC, We've put it through By the way,
AI also is playing a role in all of this too,
because people can get instantaneous answers about so much now
without the filter of communists running Google. So GROC is
(29:56):
a fantastic tool. But when you look at GROC, de
Carlo's Brown, the guy who stabbed this girl, and people
get sometimes frust with me say allegedly, I mean technically
it is allegedly. He hasn't you know, he hasn't actually
been convicted yet, but we's all on video. He says
I got that white girl. I got that white girl
multiple times on the video that seems like a assuming
(30:18):
that that is factual and accurate, which again the Blaze
where I used to work, has reported this as accurate,
and the video is out there, that seems to be
another detail of the story that people should become familiar
with and understand. Well, that changes things a bit as well,
doesn't it. And when we look at motivation, I'm with.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
You, we'll come back to this where hate crimes in general,
I think are I care about the crime, not as
much the motivation for why the crime was done.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But again, if.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
This is one of those situations where you say, if
we reverse the races, if a white guy stabbed a little,
you know, young innocent black girl like this young innocent
white girl was, and then the white guy is saying,
I got that black girl. I got that black girl.
It's the lead story on CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times,
in the Washington Post four weeks there might well be
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riots in the streets.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And now this has happened in Charlotte, and to a
large extent, much of the audience that consumes that video
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Speaker 1 (33:08):
Welcome back can Hour number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore leading a
response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman on the
Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are more videos
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coming out of the stabbing, and you can see no
one coming to this young woman's aid, despite the fact
they can see her clearly being stabbed. I would suggest, now,
I know this is dark and it is uncomfortable, but Congressman,
as we bring you in, why has.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The full video not been released?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I don't say that because I am in favor
of showing violent acts, but I do think it's important
that we see what actually happens, and certainly if you
think about the George Floyd video. The entire George Floyd
video was shared and used to drive the burning of
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so many American cities and to set an artificial narrative
about police. The narrative that there is far too much
violent crime and that criminals who are arrested are let
far too often back on the streets is one that
is actually accurate and in the case of this murder,
fourteen time arrested serial felon who finally decided that he
(34:40):
was going to kill and that he was going to
say that he was motivated to kill this woman because
she was white. And Congressman, you represent a part of
North Carolina and also a part of Charlotte. What is
the reaction from your constituency and what do you think
about why we have yet to see this full video release.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I
wish it were under better circumstances. Obviously, the reaction to
folks that I'm hearing from back home in North Carolina
are simply the same thing that that that you hear,
the same thing that your your listeners are probably feeling
when they when they see this, when they hear about
this it's absolutely discussed, and it's a breakdown in the system.
(35:26):
And what we've seen, uh, time and time again, and
certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is
a red county seeing a red state, but Mecklenberg is
a blue county. And we see in a lot of
cities around the country where you get these liberal judges
that get into, these liberal magistrates that come in and
they have these wow policies where they just are just
(35:48):
soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean,
this guy was a convicted fellow with violent violent rap sheet,
had skipped cord in the past, had had fired arms offenses.
And this guy, I mean, he should have never been
on the street where he could do this. And and
unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where this is
(36:11):
just like a one off. I mean, I would submit
to you there are these things happen every day through
about our country. Which is, by the way, one reason
that I'm co sponsoring with at least to find a
bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments
that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. If these
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guys are being held under a cash bail, they're going
to be in jail, and a lot of people, frankly
that they shouldn't even be given bond where there's such
a dead danger and a menace to society. But Congress
really should have been in jail.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Congressman, we appreciate you being being here with us. So
you have signed a letter all ten members of the
North Carolina House Republican North Carolina House. These are Republicans, obviously,
the demanding the removal of unelected magistry judge Teresa Stokes
who released this repeat offender, who went on. Tell us
about this process and is it likely to succeed to
(37:09):
try to have this judge removed because I know state
by state these rules can be can be very different.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, so this is a magistrate judge, so she's matter
of fact. My understanding is she graduated law school, would
never even pass the bar exone. And I've been in
the law. I've been an attorney for thirty years, so
I you know, kind of know this stuff. But she
is she can be removed by the district court judge.
She's not elected and she should be. And I felt so,
(37:36):
you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican
who represents Charlotte in Congress and the other members of
Democrat who represents most of Charlotte. But it's just it's
just disgusting this happen. And she has no business being
a judge and being a master if she doesn't have
any better discernment than to let someone like this loose
on the streets. I mean, this guy should have been
in jail. This should have never happened.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
I I can't believe she didn't pass the well, she
didn't pass the bar. But let's go into this because
I think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried
to do the math. I've been a lawyer for twenty
one years now, so I've managed to pass a couple
of bar exams over the years. We talked about the
analogy which I've seen shared, and I do think it's
an interesting one that if you are a bartender and
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you overserve someone, and as you well know, I'm sure Congressman,
if you're a lawyer, there are significant consequences for bartenders.
At times, they can even be criminally prosecuted for overserving
people who they know are a danger to the larger community,
and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a result,
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partly of their action. How do we have higher standards
for bartenders than we do for judges.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look
for folks to run for judge, all they have to
do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected,
right And I would say the vast majority of elective
judges do a good job. But you do have someone
out there that are just just so far left. But
you know, one thing we've talked about doing is actually
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finding is to your point about like with the bartender,
like in the dram shop laws, where they can be
held civilly responsible for any you know, for any prenny
injuries that happen as is all of serving someone who
drinks too much when having a rut. Uh. We're actually
looking right now at personal liability for a judge who
turns someone loose and then goes out and commits a
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crime thereafter. You know, maybe that's the way to get
people's attention. I mean, that's actually a bill that we're
we're in the drafting phases right now. Clearly we're going
to you know, look at constitutional provisions and whatnot, but
I think there ought to be some accountability. I mean
if somebody is doing something that's bad, you ought to
be responsible for.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And so, what do you think about the the moves
by the federal government because of this White House, the
Trump administration to at least offer up and perhaps even
get a little more forceful than that assistants from the
federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that
are truly crime plague.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
You know, it's amazing to me that we have some
of these liberal Democrat governors around the country, and I
look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these
other things. Were these some of these liberal mayors who
hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and
more than they love and care about the people they
are supposed to represent. I mean, these some of these communities.
(40:36):
I'm I'm talking from from the District of Columbia right now, right,
I mean, and I'm a new member of Congress. I'm
been in eight months, and I showed up up here
and what I saw here was a frigging goat rodeo.
In terms of, uh, the amount of crime and homelessness
and drugs. It's just embarrassing. And it's our nation's capital.
And and I'm glad that the President stood up and
(40:57):
you did something in there, and it's actually has a
safer feeling. I hope it's sustained. But this president has
shown this is not a political stump. The President has
offered this up to help, you know, to help the
people that live in these cities, because you know what,
when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be Republican Democrats.
But guess what, these Democrats are making it a partisan issue.
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And I'm hopeful, I'm so hopeful that the people are
paying attention to this and because where there's an opportunity
to get help, folks ought to take it, because look,
look at Chicago, they're overwhelmed. But you know, and back
in North Carolina. The point there, I think we can
kind of surgically say, in that case, that's some of
these loose bail policies being a document on these liberal judges.
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I mean, it's it really is going to require all
of the love to get to make our cities safe again.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
You know, Congressman, the North Carolina is a super fascinating state,
as you well know, because there's a very big difference
between let's say the left wing college. Can you unities
that encircle some of the campuses and the people who
live in western North Carolina or the people who live
in other rural parts of North Carolina. It's a very
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different state, meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't
it unite everyone to say, Hey, to your point, we
just want to be safe in the state of North
Carolina in our big cities, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. You
hit on it, but I talked about it earlier. I've
been talking about a lot on the show. I'm staggered
that the Democrat response to evidence of high rates of
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violent crime is well, it's a little bit better than
it used to be, as if that's somehow a good thing.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen. And I
will tell you that in my district that I represent,
I have urban areas in it, but I have some
very rural areas. I mean, I have a lot of
the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Kallena.
In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear
across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum
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is people saying enough was enough of this crime, Enough
is enough of a broken criminal justice system that that
that values the rights of criminals over the rights of
people who are just trying to be law abiding citizens
going about their business. I mean, think about this this.
I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine coming to America
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for for for safety, is own a light rail train,
is a passenger there, you know, as you've gotten off
work in this in this evil guy just stabs her
in the net. And then the other thing on the
video you asked about the video, I don't know why
the rest of the video hasn't been a case. I mean,
it may be the respect the victor. I don't know.
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That's that's that's.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Why I understand that argument.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
But sometimes you have to see a video in its
totality to really shock the conscience. And so I just
would I or anybody listening out here in North Carolina
or and I bet you would probably agree with me.
I'll let you answer it too. But to me, we
need the full unedited video of what happened to understand
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the scope of evil, and we should have to watch it,
those of us who are adults obviously, to recognize what
we have allowed to occur. Because it's one thing if
a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts the guy was
arrested fourteen times. I think the oh, the guy deserves
a second chance, third chance, nobody deserves a fifteenth chance.
(44:33):
I'm sorry, and so I want to get your reaction
to that. But I think we need to stare into
evil and see it.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
I think I think people need to need to see it.
It's ugly and there's a video that has been there's
been additional video released. I don't know if you guys
have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after
he's stabbed and she's there and she's and nobody, nobody
own this on the damn train he is doing anything
(45:01):
to help her. I'm like, and I just saw that
maybe like fifteen minutes before I just came on the
show with you, and I'm just I'm still kind of
stunned by seeing that that no one, no other people
on that train did a thing to help this lady.
I mean, that's just that's terrible. I just I don't
even know what to say about it. I just it's we.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Have shared these videos and they're dark and disturbing, and
I would encourage you. I know a lot of people kids, grandkids,
they don't need to watch this. But I think every
adult you need to steal your soul and you need
to watch it because you need to see what evil
is capable of, and you need to look at it
and you need to think we all can do better,
and we got to get these people off our streets
and we got to hold them accountable.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
Well absolutely, and this, you know, this should be a
call to action. And what's been amazing. There's been a
few of us that have been digging around trying to
find out what happened because a lot of the details
were kind of murkiest and what exactly occurred, and when
the video got released is run a few of us
from making noise about this is terrible? Why is nobody
talking about it? And then of course you guys are
(46:06):
talking about it and others are, but you know, mainstream
media is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in
some ways coming along talking about this. And it's just,
I mean, crime is crime, and to your point, evil
is evil, and I do think there's a I mean,
it's a reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware,
to understand that evil was out there and that we
need to be able to protect ourselves. You know, we
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need to be able to we need to be able
to have a firearm, he able to protect ourselves from something.
But it's just it's a sad state too when you
know there aren't folks who when they see this, that
don't intervene and try to help and renderate. I'm just
you know, I do think there's it's hard to watch.
It's hard to watch, but you know what, we need
(46:47):
to stare it in the face and we need to
we need to deal with it. But I'm gonna tell
you something, this presence not sitting either by in this
Congress is not sitting ont of you by I say,
we're looking at legislation right now. It's like nothing's enough.
These communities are going to do things that do not
follow the wall and consistent law. When it comes to
cash bill, then there's going to be consequences, and that
(47:09):
may be losing federal dollars. Who knows, that may be
the only thing that'll get some of these folkes attention.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I don't know, North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore, appreciate
you being with us or thank.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
You thanks for having me on. Guys.
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Speaker 1 (49:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Look, we've
got a lot of people reacting to the heinous murder
of a young, innocent Ukrainian woman, and that includes the
President of the United States. Donald Trump, who Buck, you
and I have talked about this for years, has an
inate ability to make the people in the media who
(49:54):
hate him talk about what he wants them to talk about,
and I think it's going to be very difficult for
them to cover as this video continues to come out.
Let me also say this before we play the audio. Buck,
Are you with me that the full video has to
come out or do you think that it should be
not released? What's your take on that?
Speaker 3 (50:11):
In general? Yes, it should come out.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's I think that I think the whole video should
come out. I mean, I said this, this is you
know that I'm not recommending ever watched the full video,
but for people who want to understand exactly what happened there, Yes,
the full video. You know, the full video should come out.
The full George Floyd video came. Yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think when the full video comes out, it becomes
increasingly difficult not to cover it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
The fact that they have sensored on the way it
is far more, far more heinous than what happened to
George Floyd. I'm not comparing them, and I'm just saying
in terms of let people see what they need to
see to make the judgments about what happened. That's the
comparison here.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Okay, here is President Trump, this is just in the
last thirty minutes or so releasing this statement. It's two
different cuts. We'll play cut one. We might react to it,
call for more if we don't want to react to
it yet. But here is Trump reacting to the murder
of this young, innocent, twenty three year old Ukrainian woman
on public transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 11 (51:10):
For far too long, Americans have been forced to put
up with Democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty
criminals to prey on innocent people, really very very innocent people.
In every place. They control radical left judges, politicians, and activists,
and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for
thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the
(51:34):
results of these policies when a twenty three year old
woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end
on a public train. Beautiful young girl that never had
problems in life, for the magnificent future in this country,
and now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged
monster who was roaming free after fourteen prior arrests.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Okay, let's play cut to here.
Speaker 11 (52:01):
Trump continues, we cannot allow it to prave criminal element
of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death
throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength.
We have to be vicious, just like they are. It's
the only thing they understand. Twenty four of the top
twenty five most dangerous cities in America are run by
(52:22):
Democrat mayors. Fifty people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks,
with hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop this madness.
The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety,
law and order. We have proven that it can be
done because we did it right here in DC and
District of Columbia. The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible,
(52:47):
dangerous place, one of the worst, and now it's a
crime free city and we're going to keep it that way.
It can be done, It can happen fast. All we
want is please, mister President. We need help. Chicago needs help,
Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be
done because we're going to make America safe again, and
(53:08):
that includes our big cities. We're going to make those
cities safe.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
This is again, take away Trump and just pretend that
you had never heard anybody make any statement about Trump
in your entire life.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
This is the least.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Controversial, most non partisan goal that any politician could ever have.
There are too many murders, and we're going to do
whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent
crime in major cities across America. Sometimes I just think
you have to step back and just look at this. Logically,
there's no way to be opposed to this.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
The Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where
it is instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting
that the right is right, and accepting that there will
be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of
the law, which will affect a very small percentage overall.
(54:10):
But some black men in this country as well as
by the way, Latino men, and some jurisdictions are considerably
overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are.
I mean New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where
that is the case. And they would rather the murder
rate continue than to than to accept those things that
(54:30):
those things will happen. Trump is right, the right has
been correct, and you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact.
Dare I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws
or really just enforcement of them and instead of giving
people fifteenth and fiftieth chances, deciding that enough is enough.
So I think Trump is on very very solid ground
(54:53):
with this. And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description
of restorative justice in one of the breaks. I was
just curre to see what the I know what it is.
I've heard people talking about it for a long time.
It's it's the kind of idea that people who are
living in some other reality or on some other planet
would come up with, which is we're gonna we're gonna
(55:13):
have victims, Oh sorry, we're gonna have perpetrators reconcile with victims. Really,
how do you do that in a case like this?
What reconciliations are going to be for the maniac who
stabs some girl to death in the throat for absolutely
no reason other than perhaps racial animis, which now is
coming out as well based on the audio.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
What what? What are you like?
Speaker 2 (55:34):
What are they even talking about when they say that
we need to have restorative just how about just justice?
Speaker 3 (55:42):
How about is the closest.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
By the way you can argue, I think very unfortunately, tragically,
very effectively that there really is. There's no such thing
as justice, because you can't give this girl her life back,
but you can try to stop the next one, and
you can take this person out of society so he
can't threaten or harm another person, and you can try
to prohibit or try to prevent more of this from
(56:03):
happening from others who see if I do this, I'm
going to be punished by this state in a way
that makes me very unhappy, you know, not that I'm
going to go to some rehabilitation center and be treated
with kid gloves.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
My anger has grown all weekend I watch this video,
and that's why I think the full video has to
be released. We have to rectify the system that we
have created where we're more concerned about criminals being treated
fairly than we are innocent people being victims of crimes.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
This is basically just.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
A balance, right, and all of life is trying to
balance equities in some way. Who is the good person,
who's the bad person? Who behaved in a admirable fashion,
who behaved in a dishonorable fashion. How do we reconcile
that in the courts? I think what this situation is
emblem of is we have become far too concerned with
(57:04):
how criminals are treated and not concerned enough with how
innocent people who are victims of criminals are treated.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
This should never happen. Let me hit some of your talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Michael in Arizona, listening on news Talk five point fifty
KFYI what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (57:21):
People are missing the big picture here. It's not just
the right Republican outrage. It should be an American outraged, liberal, independent,
non voting, non caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all
of it. Everybody should be outraged. You shouldn't be able
to murder something like that on a train while you're
coming home from where just sitting there mino business and
(57:42):
get stabbed.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on
the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what
he said and vip email. Kyle says the congressman we
just talked with. Tim Moore says he was surprised no
one intervened. The answer is easy, Daniel, any Kyle rittenhouse.
People are scared to get involved. Now you and I
were talking, I don't know if we said this on air,
(58:05):
off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in this
situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly. This
is not a situation where a guy's walking around with
a weapon in his hand.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Throws no warning, no warning at all. And that you
can tell from the video. He just stood up and stabbed.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
And now what you and I have said, And again
this is in the video the congressman was referring to,
is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the
light rail, this Charlotte Public transportation, and no one comes
to the girl's aide. That's this girl is bleeding out.
She has no real idea probably what's happened to her
(58:44):
at all, because the stabbing happens so fast it doesn't
appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these
two at all. She gets stabbed, she looks up at him,
he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood, and other
people in that section of the train see her leaning
over as her blood is starting to pour out, as
(59:05):
her life is leaving, and no one does anything at
all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.
In fact, people stand up and walk away. Yeah, that
is the lack of humanity we are referencing. Now, if
this again, we're a situation where the guy's waving the
weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your written House example,
(59:29):
I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play
where I would say the Daniel Plenty analogy. Buck is
particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times,
although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds
of articles about Daniel Penny and his behavior and justifying
(59:52):
the priminal prosecution brought against him, and largely not even
cover this story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Getting to the whole time. It shows beyond any there's
no doubt about the ideological manipulation that goes on with
these kinds of stories, and either suppression or elevation into
the public consciousness, depending on whether it fits a narrative
that is preferable to places like the New York Times
the Washington Post. You know, it's interesting as well. I
(01:00:21):
mean that the video is particularly it's horrific the additional video.
As I'm watching it here, Clay, everyone else on the
train is black. She's the only white person on the
train and they leave her and she is bleeding to death.
I don't even see anyone grab a cell phone to
call the police. Yeah, call for aid, call for an ambulance.
(01:00:42):
They essentially leave her to die, and there's no action
taken from anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well,
maybe somebody's look at their phone.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
They didn't see.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I'm not indicting any individual in this video, but I'm
saying collectively, in the video, it is quite clear some
people knew what was what just happened, and no one
did even the bare humanitarian minimum here. Call the police,
See if you can render aid, See if you can.
You know every You don't have to be first. You
don't have to be a first responder to know you
(01:01:13):
got to stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed
in the neck. You know, no one's taking their shirt off,
No one's trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Nothing, nothing. No one did a darn thing in this video.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And the question We played the Brian Stelter audio for you,
and we'll play some more of your talk backs when
we come back. The question, I ask what percentage of
this is?
Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Why?
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I think the media covered. Somebody say, well, why do
you care? Why do you care what the New York Times?
Speaker 11 (01:01:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
So, why do you care what the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC.
We know, yes, and I love that. I appreciate that.
We're going to be honest with you every day. If
you really want to move all of America, then all
of America has to experience a story.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
That is common, right. And you could be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
A New York Times reader, you could be a Washington
Post reader. You could think, hey, I'm informing myself well
on the stature and status of this country.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
And when they don't cover a story, when they don't share.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Factual data with the CNN audience, when it comes to crime, MSNBC,
we're not commonly having a conversation because they have no
idea this is going on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Play without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like
x that allow for free sharing on the Internet. If
this had happened ten years fifteen years ago, people wouldn't know.
But this would be a local crime story and we
would not know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Oh.
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I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities.
And if you got teenagers out there. I'm talking about
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But I do think situations like these and in the
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Welcome in Tuesday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we embark
on another day of true telling in what is often
a sea of anarchy and breaklely lies. We're going to
update you on a strike that has taken place inside
(00:56):
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(01:18):
terror attack, and this was again a very targeted strike
against the absolute top of Hamas inside of Katar. Now,
there are a lot of different angles to hit on this,
and I know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, Buck,
But I have been reading all weekend long and into
(01:40):
the start of the week all about what happened in
Charlotte where this young, innocent, twenty three year old woman
was stabbed in cold blood on public transportation in Charlotte
by an individual who'd been previously arrested fourteen times. And
I know you talked about this sum yesterday by but
(02:00):
my Twitter feed and my email has been blown up
from people talking about the veterinarian in Auburn, Alabama, who
was murdered also by another individual that should have never
been out on the streets. And I know many of
you out there have seen these stories, but it's important
(02:22):
to recognize that by and large, there is no coverage
of stories like these in the New York Times, in
the Washington Post, at CNN, MSNBC. They mostly ignore it
because it tells a story that they do not want
to address or even acknowledge in any way. And In fact,
(02:42):
when they do cover it, it's often covered through the
prism of oh, people on the right are upset about
this event, as if that is the reason why it
should be covered. And I know you dove into this
and we've talked about it a lot on the program,
but I don't think you can so major issues of
violent crime in this country until we have an actual
(03:05):
conversation about where violent crime is coming from. And overwhelmingly,
violent crime in this country is clustered in black neighborhoods,
often involving young black men. That is a reality. It
makes people uncomfortable to even mention because oh, my goodness,
it's racist in some way. And in fact, I want
(03:25):
to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic
of being fearful of actually addressing the issue at hand.
And this was from CNN where they talk about it
only in the context of, well, some people online are
upset about this. And this is Brian Stelter on CNN
(03:45):
saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol and unfortunately,
in his mind, many things that are being said online
are quote baldly racist. So listen to cut two.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
This story has trickled up from local news to social
media and now to the President's attention, and it's being used,
as you said, Brian, as a political symbol, with MAGA
media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration. I
have to say some of the replies to Musks, some
of the comments around this story are baldly racist, stoking
fear of African Americans because this man attacked a white woman.
(04:23):
The open racism on sites like x Today.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
It's eye popping.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But there are also legitimate questions about this so called
career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender, and
those questions I hope they're not lost amid all of
the cesspool kind of comments on social media.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, well, I think this is an important conversation we
should have, Buck, and I know you talked about it
some yesterday. It is not racist to point out the
race of someone who commits a violent crime.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Here is what.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Let me just make it c because I think this
is important and I know you guys get it, but
maybe in your conversations you're nervous about having conversations about
this because you're afraid of being called racist.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Here is what is racist.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a
crime because you are black, with no evidence whatsoever of
that being the case, right, That is racism. It is
not racist to look at data and say, boy, of
all the murders that are being committed in America, the
vast majority, if you analyze it from a per capita basis,
(05:26):
are being committed by young black men.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And we should have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
About why that is, because the data actually reflects that
if young black men committed, for instance, rates of violent
crime at the same rate as white or Asian young
men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime rate
in the United States that is anywhere approaching what we
have here now, right, I mean, it would actually be
(05:51):
at least two or three times as safe of a country.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
If you were to eliminate just the disparity in the
black crime raided in this country, I believe we would be,
on a per capita basis, have fewer homicides than Canada.
So that gives you some sense of which has actually
I think had some crime problems in recent more recent years.
But uh, there's a huge disparity by the numbers. But
I wanted to focus in on U for a moment.
(06:18):
Of course, Stelter, who what what did Tucker used to
call him? Like the village eunuch or something like this.
He had some phrase for him that h that was
particularly Yeah, Brian Stelter is really a perfect representation of uh,
like low te liberal the future is feminine.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, the white the white male of the Democrat
Party is is essentially comprised of first and foremost. And
for him to say that it raises questions. No, I
don't think it actually raises questions. We have the answers claim. Yeah,
when someone has been arrested fourteen times, when they've sexually
assaulted women or assaulted women, I think I should violently
(07:03):
assaulted women two times previously. This is somebody who needs
to be taken out of circulation for a while. And
you want to try rehab. You want to try to
you know, to bring Jesus into his life, you want
to make him a better person. Fine, do so in
a facility also known as a prison. That is the
reality that we have to deal with here. Okay, that
(07:24):
is what has to happen. The decision was made here
over and over again to let this individual continue to
terrorize people, and we have to ask why what is
the mindset we're going to have on a state senator
from Is it a state senator? Yeah, thank you, who
(07:45):
represent this area from North Carolina represents this area. We'll
ask about what the processes are, if there are any,
to hold judges accountable. It's very hard in general. Clay
could go into this at length. It's very hard in
general to hold judge is accountable for anything. Uh, you can,
there's a process, but it's difficult. But we should ask
why did this judge decide to let this guy go
(08:08):
effectively unpunished. It's not like he just got out of
a twenty five year sentence and decided to reoffend. I mean,
this guy was wandering around the streets and was obviously
a threat to people. So Clay, I just I completely
reject this. Oh, there are legitimate questions, you know, Stelzers,
the legitimate questions raise by the way the system may
(08:28):
have felt. No, this is actually the system giving the
product that the system wants to give, which is higher
crime rates, more risk to the general population, more risk
to women, more risk to minorities, disproportionately because it makes
certain people feel better about themselves because they think some
of this conversation is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Icky, that's the essence of it. A lot of people
are uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows. And to me,
you cannot address an issue until you objective and rationally
examine it. And this is why I said the whole
BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen
(09:08):
very often. That is violent white attacks on black people
because of their race. It's almost non existent in the country.
Not say that it never happeneds almost non existent. In fact,
if you go look at the data, the number of
white people that engage of violent acts against black people
is almost almost zero.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And statistically, it's also true, Clay, we talked about this yesterday.
It's also true that police killing or even using excessive
force against unarmed black men statistically is very very rare.
But isn't it fascinating, Clay. We can have one after
another suicide bomber, all yelling a lot huakbar, all from
(09:51):
the same religious background, all having similar profiles, and we're
told that's not representative, that doesn't count, there's no problem
them there. But then there'll be one cop involved in
one incident with whether it's George Floyd or Mike Brown,
and whole neighborhoods have to burn down and everybody has
to sit around and bend the knee and beg forgiveness
(10:11):
for the past wrongs. I have done nothing. I have
done nothing racist. I am not a part of any
racist system, and I absolutely reject all of that crap.
And I think people have just realized that's where you
got to be with this. You can't play the game
anymore well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And here is where I think the media often, very
often is incredibly flawed. And we talk about this, but
and I know many of you think about it, I
don't know that you really think about it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
On a central level.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Most of media today is anecdote, and I think that
is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone, and so
any incident can go viral. To me an honest, media
only covers anecdote when it is representative of a larger
issue that needs to be address.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It should align with the data. But we see the
opposite where they actually try to pretend the anecdote is
the data or representative of the data.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
This is why it is a lie.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is a lie by statistics, or it is a
lie by the omission of reality.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And so if and you all know this, but if that,
if that had been a young black girl twenty three
year old sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and
a white guy had stabbed her in the throat, every
single television station in America would lead with it for
multiple days. We would all have to have national conversations.
(11:36):
You would blame Trumpers in.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It, by the way, they would say, this is this
is what happens in Trump somewhere.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They would take it right to Trump. You and I
know that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And so if you are not treating this in a
similar fashion, And by the way, all of you out
there in right wing land, although I would submit it
is just sanity land, who are listening to us right now,
all of you would be immersed in that story. You
would not be able to avoid it because right wing
(12:06):
media would cover it too well. The left basically doesn't
cover this story. All of you are aware of it.
But I think it's important that we have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Okay, we could just take calls, and we have before
where we have black listeners to this show who will
just call in and say that this is we are
discussing the reality of the media's treatment of these subjects.
We get to take calls for an hour from people
listening right now to our audience who are black, would say, yeah,
the media is playing games here.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's it's the media that is doing the misrepresentation. It's
the media that is bringing these narratives and the Democrat
Party and all this stuff about structural racism and everything else.
They bring ideology into this. We just want there to
be less crime. We want everyone to be safer. We
want to do what is necessary so that nobody black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim, jew.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
No one's going to stabbed on the subway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
That's actually the goal here, and then we treat everyone
as an individual. But treating people as individuals also means
viewing their right to be safe walking down the street
in their neighborhood as more important than what your friends
at the golf club. After you're done with your MSNBC
hit in Chevy Chase, think about what you said on TV.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And objective data.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
If we are going to truly address violent crime, Objective
data reflects that young black men in particular overwhelmingly are
responsible for violent crime. So if we are going to
put more police on the streets and if we are
going to address violent crime that is going to lead
to more young black men being arrested. That's not racism. Again,
(13:48):
I think this kills the argument, but I think it's
one good one to put in your back pocket. It's
not sexism that men are arrested for around ninety five
percent of all violent crimes. It's because men are more
violent as a group than women are. Okay, So I
think this story is huge. I think it goes to
the essence of Frankly where Trump is right, which is
(14:10):
saying we can't live in a country where violent crimes
like these are allowed to happen, and when the people
perpetrating them have been arrested fourteen times.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well, this is the other part.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There's so many layers here, Clay, this is there's there's
failure of the narrative. The Democrats want to tell you.
There's the lie that we can all see.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I told you.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the
Jesse Smolette documentary. I mean it is high comedy that
anyone believed. But let's remember Clay.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
First of all, he was fine. He had like a
tiny scratch.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It looked like he maybe cut himself shaving, and it
was a national outrage. Yes, Kamala Harris was weighing in,
I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
It's still up. It was a huge Oh my gosh,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All the racism against black people, all the all the
anti LGBTQ, all this stuff all a lie, okay, but
that was immediate national conversation. A Ukrainian refugee bruly murdered
because Assistan completely fail there because the system is too
afraid of looking like it's racist when it enforces the law.
That's actually not a conversation we should have as a country.
Which one of those things matters more to the American
(15:11):
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no doubt. And here's another one I'll add.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think that this doesn't help the black community because
one it allows violence to continue, but two liberal white
people who are trying to say, oh, we can't have
this conversation, they actually don't want things to get better.
And I think a lot of black voters are slowly
starting to recognize this. These people don't have your best
(15:38):
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Caroline Levett White House best Secretary is speaking about the
Decarl Brown murder, alleged murder on that light rail.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Let's hear what the press sector has to say. Play.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yes, this monster should have been locked up and Arena
should still be alive. But Democrat politicians, liberal judges, and
weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals
and protect their communities.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
And perhaps most shamefully of all, the majority of the media.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
Many outlets in this room decided that her murder was
not worth reporting on originally because it does not fit
a preferred narrative. Many of the journalists in this room
spills plenty of ink trying to smear Daniel Penny for
defending a subway car from a deranged lunatic in New
York City, but none of those same reporters lift a
finger to write stories about an actual murderer. Here's the
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truth that every American must know. Too many innocent people
across the country continue to pay the price of the
failed experiment known as cashless bail that has been championed
by the Democrat Party four years. All the way back
in twenty twenty, North Carolina's then Democrat Governor Roy Cooper
established a so called Task Force for Racial Equity and
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Criminal Justice.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
Sounds nice, but it's not.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
That task force was co authored by then Attorney General
and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein. It recommended quote reimagining
public safety to quote promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest.
It also advised to de emphasize some felony crimes, prioritize
quote restorative justice, and eliminate cash bail. Democrats in North
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Carolina and nationwide are consumed with pushing a woke, soft
on crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer
as a result. Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up
violent criminals, the Democrat backed cashless bail approach lets these
criminals roam free in our country to offend.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Again and again.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
These reckless policies have turned too many many of American
cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our
justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and recavoc on law
abiding citizens. Enough is enough, and that is why President
Trump is doing everything in his power by taking action
to undo these absurd policies. The President recently signed a
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powerful executive order directing the AG to submit a list
of states in local jurisdictions with cashless bail policies so
that the Trump administration may identify federal funds that can
are being provided to these states and can potentially be
suspended or terminated.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
President Trump firmly believes.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
That to maintain order in public safety, we must incarcerate
individuals who's pending criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a
clear ongoing risk to civil society. This is a common
sense and sensible approach that the vast majority of Americans
agree with, and it's time for the Democrat Party to
get on board with what is right. When these criminals
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are caught, they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent
of the law and be sent to prison where they
can no longer terrorize our streets. This is the mandate
the American people delivered to President Trump, and it's a
mandate he intends to fulfill. Staying on the topic of
public safety, new preliminary data released today by Customs and
Border Protection in August shows that President Trump has delivered
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the most secure border in American history.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
For the fourth straight.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Month, zero illegal aliens were released into the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
All right, so Clay, let's come back here. Though, I
will say that's a very important statue. Just through out there,
she was switching that the border is entirely secure. I
want to get to the conversation about criminal justice, of course,
but she just threw that in there at the end
as we were transitioning out of our live feed. The
borders is secure in terms of illegal alien crossings. This
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isn't if you had told me that Trump had achieved
in eighty percent or ninety percent reduction, I would say, wow,
that's that's really a remarkable turnaround, great success. It's more
like a ninety nine point something percent reduction. It's it's
almost a total, a totally secure border, at least when
it comes to illegal crossings. So that's one piece of this.
(21:14):
But I think Caroline Levitt, obviously fired up about this.
Speaker 9 (21:18):
Is a mom.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
She's a young woman. She's a young mom, she's a wife.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
She has to you know, she knows where it is
to be on public transit. She probably takes the subway
in d C cent a metro they call it in DC.
Sometimes I think for women, in particular Clay, who see
this video, it is their worst imaginable horror that they're
just going through their day and some maniac stabs them
with a knife from behind for absolutely no reason. And
(21:45):
although I know there are people that are starting to ask, well,
what was the motivation behind this and was there was
there a hate crime angle to this?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Notice that's not being talked about very much.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But nonetheless, Clay, the feelings that people have about this
coming out right now, I think it's important, it's powerful,
and it's good that the White House is addressing it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and again, the end goal here should be we
should drive down the number of murders in this country massively.
And I just this is one of those things that
sometimes I can't believe that Democrats are lined up in
opposition to this, because I just don't see this as
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a remotely part is an issue everyone out there should
be in favor of way lower rates of violent crime.
And for Democrats basically to come out and say, well,
rates of violent crime are actually getting better, Okay, I
hope that's true to a large extent better just means
we're going back to what the numbers looked like before
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the BLM protests and COVID that was still too high.
So I don't understand why you wouldn't extend your hand.
I give credit to Mayor Muriel Bowser of DC for saying,
this is something I want to work with the president on.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Let's actually make it safer.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I saw the.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Numbers shared the other day. Murders are down sixty percent
in Washington, d C. Since Trump mobilized a national Guard
and took control of the crime issues in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That he can do that over the course of a
year or over the course of a couple of years.
I would hope that he can. But even if he can't,
there are dozens of kids and I say kids because
most of them are young, that are going to be
walking around in DC this fall that would otherwise be
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dead if the president hadn't taken that action. How can
you say that's a bad thing. And the number of
left wing white people because I look at these protests
and it's all white people walking around saying we don't
want more troops on the streets. We don't want more cops.
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They live in such a crazy fantasy world and their
brains are so broken that what they're basically doing is
marching in favor of violence overwhelmingly directed at young black
and brown people, which is ostensibly what the entire purpose
of Black Lives Matter was. Right now, it was flawed
because the premise of BLM was, oh, cops are the
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reason why young black men are being killed at high rates.
It's not actually true at all. Young black men are
being killed at high rates by other young black men.
No one, well, if you look at the data, is
able to argue anymore buck that police are somehow the problem.
You're seeing how many lives police protected, because as soon
as they weren't able to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Murder rate skyrocketing.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
We're also seeing a shift in perception that is related
to an old, longstanding policy of lib news organizations. And
I remember project example, this is New York One is
a channel in New York Clay, New York City. That is,
if if Pravda was like transported from the Soviet Union
(25:11):
to New York City, it would be New York One.
I mean, it is so left wing, it is so
all about whatever the party needs whatever the committee decides
of the left. But you could see there. You could
see it on local news as well, and I would
watch I watch this. I watched local news in New
York growing up right. I would watch these different channels.
Actually had an aunt who was a well known local
(25:32):
news broadcaster for many years in New York.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And she's the one with red hair for those of
you who are wondering.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And the common thing you'd see is, oh, well, there
was a report today of a of a you know,
a violent, you know, violent maniac, like chasing somebody and
hitting somebody in the head with a rock. And we
have a suspect here. The suspect is five 't ten,
one hundred and eighty five pounds in mail. But then
(25:58):
they'd also sometimes show the you know, they'd show like
a sketch, a police sketch, and you'd look at, okay,
so this is a black guy.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
But they wouldn't say that. They would they.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Would often just leave out the description of the suspect
by race. They would just describe it as a man
hundred and eighty five pounds, And this became more and
more common. Also, they remove the racial descriptor from headlines,
depending on who it is. If the white guy stab
somebody in you know, stab somebody to death in Staten Island,
trust me, they're gonna make sure you all know that
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it's a white guy stab somebody death.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
They do this.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
This has been long standing policy that they won't describe
the race of a perpetrator if the race is black
or Hispanic, generally speaking, local news, a lot of others,
or they'll try to bury it far down. This has changed, though,
Clay because of body cameras, because of surveillance cameras, and
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because of the free sharing of that information on x SO.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
Now, whenever there's a really see crime that occurs somewhere
in the country, you know what, a producer Alley just
send us something, didn't They drive like a truck into
a what was it a watch store or something and
they beat some.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Eighty eight year old guy.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Whenever there's a really we get to see who's doing it.
So the media can tell us as much as they
want that we're not actually observing a pattern. But people
are observing a pattern because they can see on the
video what is happening in this instance and in many
other cases just like it. And this is where I
come back to At its best, the job of the
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media should be to take anecdote and utilize it to
tell a story about why something larger matters, because all
of us respond to individual stories better than we do
raw data.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
So you can sit back and say, hey.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
The rate of violent crime in Memphis, Tennessee is whatever
it is per one hundred thousand, and you can put
that into a flow chart, and some people you and
I would be data nerds who would look at this
and say, oh, let's address this. Most people don't respond
to numbers. They respond to story. And so the murder
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of the twenty three year old young Ukrainian girl on
video as it was is actually illustrative of rates of
violent crime that are too high. And so the same
thing happening with Lake and Riley and her murder an
in Athens, Georgia. All of these are crystallizing larger issues
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that exist. The problem with left wing media is they
largely tell stories that are not representative of larger issues.
Like I don't know if you talked about this yesterday,
but compare how Daniel Penny on public transit in New
York City responding to a violent person who has a
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long history of crimes in the past, who was making
threats on public transportation. Look get how that response was covered.
I mean they charged him with a crime. Compared to
how it's been covered in the Washington Post, for instance,
or MSNBC and CNN what happened on the public transit
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in Charlotte, I mean, it's impossible to justify that from
a news gathering perspective.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
You know, The Blaze and others have reported this Clay,
but I haven't seen this getting more widespread coverage yet.
But we looked into this, We've played the audio, We've
put it through GROC, We've put it through By the way,
AI also is playing a role in all of this too,
because people can get instantaneous answers about so much now
without the filter of communists running Google. So GROC is
(29:56):
a fantastic tool. But when you look at GROC, de
Carlo's Brown, the guy who stabbed this girl, and people
get sometimes frust with me say allegedly, I mean technically
it is allegedly. He hasn't you know, he hasn't actually
been convicted yet, but we's all on video. He says
I got that white girl. I got that white girl
multiple times on the video that seems like a assuming
(30:18):
that that is factual and accurate, which again the Blaze
where I used to work, has reported this as accurate,
and the video is out there, that seems to be
another detail of the story that people should become familiar
with and understand. Well, that changes things a bit as well,
doesn't it. And when we look at motivation, I'm with.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
You, we'll come back to this where hate crimes in general,
I think are I care about the crime, not as
much the motivation for why the crime was done.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But again, if.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
This is one of those situations where you say, if
we reverse the races, if a white guy stabbed a little,
you know, young innocent black girl like this young innocent
white girl was, and then the white guy is saying,
I got that black girl. I got that black girl.
It's the lead story on CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times,
in the Washington Post four weeks there might well be
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riots in the streets.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And now this has happened in Charlotte, and to a
large extent, much of the audience that consumes that video
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Speaker 1 (33:08):
Welcome back can Hour number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore leading a
response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman on the
Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are more videos
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coming out of the stabbing, and you can see no
one coming to this young woman's aid, despite the fact
they can see her clearly being stabbed. I would suggest, now,
I know this is dark and it is uncomfortable, but Congressman,
as we bring you in, why has.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The full video not been released?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I don't say that because I am in favor
of showing violent acts, but I do think it's important
that we see what actually happens, and certainly if you
think about the George Floyd video. The entire George Floyd
video was shared and used to drive the burning of
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so many American cities and to set an artificial narrative
about police. The narrative that there is far too much
violent crime and that criminals who are arrested are let
far too often back on the streets is one that
is actually accurate and in the case of this murder,
fourteen time arrested serial felon who finally decided that he
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was going to kill and that he was going to
say that he was motivated to kill this woman because
she was white. And Congressman, you represent a part of
North Carolina and also a part of Charlotte. What is
the reaction from your constituency and what do you think
about why we have yet to see this full video release.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I
wish it were under better circumstances. Obviously, the reaction to
folks that I'm hearing from back home in North Carolina
are simply the same thing that that that you hear,
the same thing that your your listeners are probably feeling
when they when they see this, when they hear about
this it's absolutely discussed, and it's a breakdown in the system.
(35:26):
And what we've seen, uh, time and time again, and
certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is
a red county seeing a red state, but Mecklenberg is
a blue county. And we see in a lot of
cities around the country where you get these liberal judges
that get into, these liberal magistrates that come in and
they have these wow policies where they just are just
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soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean,
this guy was a convicted fellow with violent violent rap sheet,
had skipped cord in the past, had had fired arms offenses.
And this guy, I mean, he should have never been
on the street where he could do this. And and
unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where this is
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just like a one off. I mean, I would submit
to you there are these things happen every day through
about our country. Which is, by the way, one reason
that I'm co sponsoring with at least to find a
bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments
that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. If these
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guys are being held under a cash bail, they're going
to be in jail, and a lot of people, frankly
that they shouldn't even be given bond where there's such
a dead danger and a menace to society. But Congress
really should have been in jail.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Congressman, we appreciate you being being here with us. So
you have signed a letter all ten members of the
North Carolina House Republican North Carolina House. These are Republicans, obviously,
the demanding the removal of unelected magistry judge Teresa Stokes
who released this repeat offender, who went on. Tell us
about this process and is it likely to succeed to
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try to have this judge removed because I know state
by state these rules can be can be very different.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, so this is a magistrate judge, so she's matter
of fact. My understanding is she graduated law school, would
never even pass the bar exone. And I've been in
the law. I've been an attorney for thirty years, so
I you know, kind of know this stuff. But she
is she can be removed by the district court judge.
She's not elected and she should be. And I felt so,
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you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican
who represents Charlotte in Congress and the other members of
Democrat who represents most of Charlotte. But it's just it's
just disgusting this happen. And she has no business being
a judge and being a master if she doesn't have
any better discernment than to let someone like this loose
on the streets. I mean, this guy should have been
in jail. This should have never happened.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
I I can't believe she didn't pass the well, she
didn't pass the bar. But let's go into this because
I think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried
to do the math. I've been a lawyer for twenty
one years now, so I've managed to pass a couple
of bar exams over the years. We talked about the
analogy which I've seen shared, and I do think it's
an interesting one that if you are a bartender and
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you overserve someone, and as you well know, I'm sure Congressman,
if you're a lawyer, there are significant consequences for bartenders.
At times, they can even be criminally prosecuted for overserving
people who they know are a danger to the larger community,
and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a result,
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partly of their action. How do we have higher standards
for bartenders than we do for judges.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look
for folks to run for judge, all they have to
do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected,
right And I would say the vast majority of elective
judges do a good job. But you do have someone
out there that are just just so far left. But
you know, one thing we've talked about doing is actually
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finding is to your point about like with the bartender,
like in the dram shop laws, where they can be
held civilly responsible for any you know, for any prenny
injuries that happen as is all of serving someone who
drinks too much when having a rut. Uh. We're actually
looking right now at personal liability for a judge who
turns someone loose and then goes out and commits a
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crime thereafter. You know, maybe that's the way to get
people's attention. I mean, that's actually a bill that we're
we're in the drafting phases right now. Clearly we're going
to you know, look at constitutional provisions and whatnot, but
I think there ought to be some accountability. I mean
if somebody is doing something that's bad, you ought to
be responsible for.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And so, what do you think about the the moves
by the federal government because of this White House, the
Trump administration to at least offer up and perhaps even
get a little more forceful than that assistants from the
federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that
are truly crime plague.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
You know, it's amazing to me that we have some
of these liberal Democrat governors around the country, and I
look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these
other things. Were these some of these liberal mayors who
hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and
more than they love and care about the people they
are supposed to represent. I mean, these some of these communities.
(40:36):
I'm I'm talking from from the District of Columbia right now, right,
I mean, and I'm a new member of Congress. I'm
been in eight months, and I showed up up here
and what I saw here was a frigging goat rodeo.
In terms of, uh, the amount of crime and homelessness
and drugs. It's just embarrassing. And it's our nation's capital.
And and I'm glad that the President stood up and
(40:57):
you did something in there, and it's actually has a
safer feeling. I hope it's sustained. But this president has
shown this is not a political stump. The President has
offered this up to help, you know, to help the
people that live in these cities, because you know what,
when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be Republican Democrats.
But guess what, these Democrats are making it a partisan issue.
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And I'm hopeful, I'm so hopeful that the people are
paying attention to this and because where there's an opportunity
to get help, folks ought to take it, because look,
look at Chicago, they're overwhelmed. But you know, and back
in North Carolina. The point there, I think we can
kind of surgically say, in that case, that's some of
these loose bail policies being a document on these liberal judges.
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I mean, it's it really is going to require all
of the love to get to make our cities safe again.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
You know, Congressman, the North Carolina is a super fascinating state,
as you well know, because there's a very big difference
between let's say the left wing college. Can you unities
that encircle some of the campuses and the people who
live in western North Carolina or the people who live
in other rural parts of North Carolina. It's a very
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different state, meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't
it unite everyone to say, Hey, to your point, we
just want to be safe in the state of North
Carolina in our big cities, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic. You
hit on it, but I talked about it earlier. I've
been talking about a lot on the show. I'm staggered
that the Democrat response to evidence of high rates of
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violent crime is well, it's a little bit better than
it used to be, as if that's somehow a good thing.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen. And I
will tell you that in my district that I represent,
I have urban areas in it, but I have some
very rural areas. I mean, I have a lot of
the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Kallena.
In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear
across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum
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is people saying enough was enough of this crime, Enough
is enough of a broken criminal justice system that that
that values the rights of criminals over the rights of
people who are just trying to be law abiding citizens
going about their business. I mean, think about this this.
I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine coming to America
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for for for safety, is own a light rail train,
is a passenger there, you know, as you've gotten off
work in this in this evil guy just stabs her
in the net. And then the other thing on the
video you asked about the video, I don't know why
the rest of the video hasn't been a case. I mean,
it may be the respect the victor. I don't know.
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That's that's that's.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Why I understand that argument.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
But sometimes you have to see a video in its
totality to really shock the conscience. And so I just
would I or anybody listening out here in North Carolina
or and I bet you would probably agree with me.
I'll let you answer it too. But to me, we
need the full unedited video of what happened to understand
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the scope of evil, and we should have to watch it,
those of us who are adults obviously, to recognize what
we have allowed to occur. Because it's one thing if
a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts the guy was
arrested fourteen times. I think the oh, the guy deserves
a second chance, third chance, nobody deserves a fifteenth chance.
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I'm sorry, and so I want to get your reaction
to that. But I think we need to stare into
evil and see it.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
I think I think people need to need to see it.
It's ugly and there's a video that has been there's
been additional video released. I don't know if you guys
have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after
he's stabbed and she's there and she's and nobody, nobody
own this on the damn train he is doing anything
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to help her. I'm like, and I just saw that
maybe like fifteen minutes before I just came on the
show with you, and I'm just I'm still kind of
stunned by seeing that that no one, no other people
on that train did a thing to help this lady.
I mean, that's just that's terrible. I just I don't
even know what to say about it. I just it's we.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Have shared these videos and they're dark and disturbing, and
I would encourage you. I know a lot of people kids, grandkids,
they don't need to watch this. But I think every
adult you need to steal your soul and you need
to watch it because you need to see what evil
is capable of, and you need to look at it
and you need to think we all can do better,
and we got to get these people off our streets
and we got to hold them accountable.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
Well absolutely, and this, you know, this should be a
call to action. And what's been amazing. There's been a
few of us that have been digging around trying to
find out what happened because a lot of the details
were kind of murkiest and what exactly occurred, and when
the video got released is run a few of us
from making noise about this is terrible? Why is nobody
talking about it? And then of course you guys are
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talking about it and others are, but you know, mainstream
media is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in
some ways coming along talking about this. And it's just,
I mean, crime is crime, and to your point, evil
is evil, and I do think there's a I mean,
it's a reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware,
to understand that evil was out there and that we
need to be able to protect ourselves. You know, we
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need to be able to we need to be able
to have a firearm, he able to protect ourselves from something.
But it's just it's a sad state too when you
know there aren't folks who when they see this, that
don't intervene and try to help and renderate. I'm just
you know, I do think there's it's hard to watch.
It's hard to watch, but you know what, we need
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to stare it in the face and we need to
we need to deal with it. But I'm gonna tell
you something, this presence not sitting either by in this
Congress is not sitting ont of you by I say,
we're looking at legislation right now. It's like nothing's enough.
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I don't know, North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore, appreciate
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Speaker 1 (49:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Look, we've
got a lot of people reacting to the heinous murder
of a young, innocent Ukrainian woman, and that includes the
President of the United States. Donald Trump, who Buck, you
and I have talked about this for years, has an
inate ability to make the people in the media who
(49:54):
hate him talk about what he wants them to talk about,
and I think it's going to be very difficult for
them to cover as this video continues to come out.
Let me also say this before we play the audio. Buck,
Are you with me that the full video has to
come out or do you think that it should be
not released? What's your take on that?
Speaker 3 (50:11):
In general? Yes, it should come out.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
It's I think that I think the whole video should
come out. I mean, I said this, this is you
know that I'm not recommending ever watched the full video,
but for people who want to understand exactly what happened there, Yes,
the full video. You know, the full video should come out.
The full George Floyd video came. Yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think when the full video comes out, it becomes
increasingly difficult not to cover it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
The fact that they have sensored on the way it
is far more, far more heinous than what happened to
George Floyd. I'm not comparing them, and I'm just saying
in terms of let people see what they need to
see to make the judgments about what happened. That's the
comparison here.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Okay, here is President Trump, this is just in the
last thirty minutes or so releasing this statement. It's two
different cuts. We'll play cut one. We might react to it,
call for more if we don't want to react to
it yet. But here is Trump reacting to the murder
of this young, innocent, twenty three year old Ukrainian woman
on public transit in Charlotte.
Speaker 11 (51:10):
For far too long, Americans have been forced to put
up with Democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty
criminals to prey on innocent people, really very very innocent people.
In every place. They control radical left judges, politicians, and activists,
and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for
thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the
(51:34):
results of these policies when a twenty three year old
woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end
on a public train. Beautiful young girl that never had
problems in life, for the magnificent future in this country,
and now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged
monster who was roaming free after fourteen prior arrests.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Okay, let's play cut to here.
Speaker 11 (52:01):
Trump continues, we cannot allow it to prave criminal element
of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death
throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength.
We have to be vicious, just like they are. It's
the only thing they understand. Twenty four of the top
twenty five most dangerous cities in America are run by
(52:22):
Democrat mayors. Fifty people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks,
with hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop this madness.
The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety,
law and order. We have proven that it can be
done because we did it right here in DC and
District of Columbia. The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible,
(52:47):
dangerous place, one of the worst, and now it's a
crime free city and we're going to keep it that way.
It can be done, It can happen fast. All we
want is please, mister President. We need help. Chicago needs help,
Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be
done because we're going to make America safe again, and
(53:08):
that includes our big cities. We're going to make those
cities safe.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
This is again, take away Trump and just pretend that
you had never heard anybody make any statement about Trump
in your entire life.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
This is the least.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Controversial, most non partisan goal that any politician could ever have.
There are too many murders, and we're going to do
whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent
crime in major cities across America. Sometimes I just think
you have to step back and just look at this. Logically,
there's no way to be opposed to this.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
The Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where
it is instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting
that the right is right, and accepting that there will
be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of
the law, which will affect a very small percentage overall.
(54:10):
But some black men in this country as well as
by the way, Latino men, and some jurisdictions are considerably
overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are.
I mean New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where
that is the case. And they would rather the murder
rate continue than to than to accept those things that
(54:30):
those things will happen. Trump is right, the right has
been correct, and you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact.
Dare I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws
or really just enforcement of them and instead of giving
people fifteenth and fiftieth chances, deciding that enough is enough.
So I think Trump is on very very solid ground
(54:53):
with this. And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description
of restorative justice in one of the breaks. I was
just curre to see what the I know what it is.
I've heard people talking about it for a long time.
It's it's the kind of idea that people who are
living in some other reality or on some other planet
would come up with, which is we're gonna we're gonna
(55:13):
have victims, Oh sorry, we're gonna have perpetrators reconcile with victims. Really,
how do you do that in a case like this?
What reconciliations are going to be for the maniac who
stabs some girl to death in the throat for absolutely
no reason other than perhaps racial animis, which now is
coming out as well based on the audio.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
What what? What are you like?
Speaker 2 (55:34):
What are they even talking about when they say that
we need to have restorative just how about just justice?
Speaker 3 (55:42):
How about is the closest.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
By the way you can argue, I think very unfortunately, tragically,
very effectively that there really is. There's no such thing
as justice, because you can't give this girl her life back,
but you can try to stop the next one, and
you can take this person out of society so he
can't threaten or harm another person, and you can try
to prohibit or try to prevent more of this from
(56:03):
happening from others who see if I do this, I'm
going to be punished by this state in a way
that makes me very unhappy, you know, not that I'm
going to go to some rehabilitation center and be treated
with kid gloves.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
My anger has grown all weekend I watch this video,
and that's why I think the full video has to
be released. We have to rectify the system that we
have created where we're more concerned about criminals being treated
fairly than we are innocent people being victims of crimes.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
This is basically just.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
A balance, right, and all of life is trying to
balance equities in some way. Who is the good person,
who's the bad person? Who behaved in a admirable fashion,
who behaved in a dishonorable fashion. How do we reconcile
that in the courts? I think what this situation is
emblem of is we have become far too concerned with
(57:04):
how criminals are treated and not concerned enough with how
innocent people who are victims of criminals are treated.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
This should never happen. Let me hit some of your talkbacks.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
Michael in Arizona, listening on news Talk five point fifty
KFYI what you got for us?
Speaker 9 (57:21):
People are missing the big picture here. It's not just
the right Republican outrage. It should be an American outraged, liberal, independent,
non voting, non caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all
of it. Everybody should be outraged. You shouldn't be able
to murder something like that on a train while you're
coming home from where just sitting there mino business and
(57:42):
get stabbed.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on
the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what
he said and vip email. Kyle says the congressman we
just talked with. Tim Moore says he was surprised no
one intervened. The answer is easy, Daniel, any Kyle rittenhouse.
People are scared to get involved. Now you and I
were talking, I don't know if we said this on air,
(58:05):
off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in this
situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly. This
is not a situation where a guy's walking around with
a weapon in his hand.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
Throws no warning, no warning at all. And that you
can tell from the video. He just stood up and stabbed.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
And now what you and I have said, And again
this is in the video the congressman was referring to,
is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the
light rail, this Charlotte Public transportation, and no one comes
to the girl's aide. That's this girl is bleeding out.
She has no real idea probably what's happened to her
(58:44):
at all, because the stabbing happens so fast it doesn't
appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these
two at all. She gets stabbed, she looks up at him,
he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood, and other
people in that section of the train see her leaning
over as her blood is starting to pour out, as
(59:05):
her life is leaving, and no one does anything at
all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.
In fact, people stand up and walk away. Yeah, that
is the lack of humanity we are referencing. Now, if
this again, we're a situation where the guy's waving the
weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your written House example,
(59:29):
I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play
where I would say the Daniel Plenty analogy. Buck is
particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington
Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times,
although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds
of articles about Daniel Penny and his behavior and justifying
(59:52):
the priminal prosecution brought against him, and largely not even
cover this story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Getting to the whole time. It shows beyond any there's
no doubt about the ideological manipulation that goes on with
these kinds of stories, and either suppression or elevation into
the public consciousness, depending on whether it fits a narrative
that is preferable to places like the New York Times
the Washington Post. You know, it's interesting as well. I
(01:00:21):
mean that the video is particularly it's horrific the additional video.
As I'm watching it here, Clay, everyone else on the
train is black. She's the only white person on the
train and they leave her and she is bleeding to death.
I don't even see anyone grab a cell phone to
call the police. Yeah, call for aid, call for an ambulance.
(01:00:42):
They essentially leave her to die, and there's no action
taken from anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well,
maybe somebody's look at their phone.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
They didn't see.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I'm not indicting any individual in this video, but I'm
saying collectively, in the video, it is quite clear some
people knew what was what just happened, and no one
did even the bare humanitarian minimum here. Call the police,
See if you can render aid, See if you can.
You know every You don't have to be first. You
don't have to be a first responder to know you
(01:01:13):
got to stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed
in the neck. You know, no one's taking their shirt off,
No one's trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here.
Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Nothing, nothing. No one did a darn thing in this video.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And the question We played the Brian Stelter audio for you,
and we'll play some more of your talk backs when
we come back. The question, I ask what percentage of
this is?
Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Why?
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I think the media covered. Somebody say, well, why do
you care? Why do you care what the New York Times?
Speaker 11 (01:01:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
So, why do you care what the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC.
We know, yes, and I love that. I appreciate that.
We're going to be honest with you every day. If
you really want to move all of America, then all
of America has to experience a story.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
That is common, right. And you could be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
A New York Times reader, you could be a Washington
Post reader. You could think, hey, I'm informing myself well
on the stature and status of this country.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
And when they don't cover a story, when they don't share.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Factual data with the CNN audience, when it comes to crime, MSNBC,
we're not commonly having a conversation because they have no
idea this is going on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Play without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like
x that allow for free sharing on the Internet. If
this had happened ten years fifteen years ago, people wouldn't know.
But this would be a local crime story and we
would not know about it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities.
And if you got teenagers out there. I'm talking about
serious things. I'm like, hey, knucklehead, maybe don't take that picture,
Maybe don't take that video. Maybe don't be sending stuff
like crazy all over the place. You're sixteen, you more on.
But I do think situations like these and in the
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us to see what actually occurred in a way that
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