September 16, 2025 • 51 mins
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There is No Unity
Vice President JD Vance’s powerful commentary on political violence, delivered while guest-hosting Charlie Kirk’s show. Vance condemns left-wing extremism and the celebration of Kirk’s murder, calling out organizations like the Ford Foundation and George Soros’s Open Society Foundation for allegedly funding radical narratives. Clay and Buck echo Vance’s sentiments, arguing that the left’s rhetoric—comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis and fascists—has fueled real-world violence. They highlight the hypocrisy of left-wing platforms banning dissenting voices while tolerating or even celebrating political assassinations.
The hosts also analyze the online radicalization of Gen Z through platforms like Reddit, Discord, and Twitch, describing them as breeding grounds for left-wing extremism. They explore how these digital communities have become echo chambers for anti-conservative sentiment and misinformation. Buck and Clay express concern over the influence these platforms have on shaping public opinion and fueling ideological violence, especially among younger users. They also discuss the implications of AI systems being trained on biased data from these sources, warning of future distortions in political discourse.
Free Speech vs. Hate Speech
U.S. Attorney Pam Bondi’s controversial comments about hate speech. Buck defends TikTok’s utility for conservatives, while Clay raises concerns about government overreach and free speech. The conversation transitions into a broader critique of censorship and the left’s shifting stance on political unity, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
Luigi Mangione Madness
The Luigi Mangione case involving the assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. The hosts criticize a judge’s decision to drop terrorism-related charges and discuss the suspect’s use of Discord, an online chat platform, to coordinate and confess. FBI Director Kash Patel testifies on Capitol Hill, revealing that the bureau is investigating ideological motives, funding sources, and potential co-conspirators within Discord communities.
A Dark Network
The show raises concerns about online radicalization, likening Discord to jihadist chat rooms and questioning the platform’s moderation policies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, coming to
you live from NYC. You're here in New York City.
Clay has quite about this afternoon. Indeed, mister Stephen A. Smith,
(00:52):
they are going to be having a debate, and as
we know, we will not step back from debates these days.
We will not in any way, in any way seed
the fields to the other side, although I think you
guys are going to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange.
But we've got a lot of news to dive into here,
(01:13):
and we've got updates. Well, first of all, Trump is
leaving for the UK, so we've got some sound from
the President himself on a whole range of things Ukraine,
talking about Pam BONDI a deal on TikTok, which I'm
excited about. I have been the only I'm going to
say this, I'm the only consistent conservative I think on
(01:35):
TikTok of the last few years where I'm just like,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We shouldn't get rid of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine
Trump likes it. Everybody likes it because there's ways to
make it not Now. I know you were saying all along, well,
as long as it's not a Chinese controlled spying operation,
then you like it too. But I've just been waiting
for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It
looks like there is also spoke on Gaza JD vance
(02:02):
with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling for
unity right now with the radical left. I think JD
he was guest hosting Charlie Kirk Show yesterday. I think
JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a
very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll
(02:23):
get to that more on the Memphis crime crackdown that
may be coming, and then perhaps Clay, because we're in
New York City, the New York City mayor race, which
I'm sad for our New York City based staff because
it is my belief that the mayor is going to
be Mamdani and it is almost a sure thing at
this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But let's
(02:47):
dive into a few things here. You know, I actually
want to start with this, so this is kind of
a longer clip because I wanted you to hear the
whole thing. But jd Vance, when he was guest hosting
the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, jd Vance talking about this
because here's what I think is very frustrating for me,
for you, Clay, for a lot of people. Right now,
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you had Charlie, who was doing debate discussion, created a
marketplace of ideas, are a forum for ideas, and he
was assassinated. And now you have all these people who
are saying, well, we just need a marketplace of ideas,
or you know, we just need to tone things down
and get into exchange. Well, hold on a second, we
(03:31):
were doing that. It's the other side that was not
doing that, uh and is not willing to do it
even Still, here is jd Vance. This has cut nine
with something I just think you all.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Really need to hear.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who
harasses an innocent family the day after the fun that
family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with
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the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is
no unity with the people who fund these articles, who
pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that
Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot
to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.
(04:24):
Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation
and the Ford Foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting
article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from
generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized by you and me.
The American taxpayer, and how do they reward us by
setting fire to the house built by the American family over.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I'm desperate for our country to be united in condendation
of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend.
I want it so badly that I will tell you
a difficult truth. We can only have it with people
who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable, and when we
work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism
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in our own country.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think Clay he absolutely nails it. But also the
both sides ism has switched from both sides to political
violence to both sides need to calm down and look
for a unity. No, it's this both sides thing is
not going to fly.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I just can't get past the fact that we have
an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated
this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people, there's
always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge
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portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media
have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination I
mentioned last week, I bet almost every single one of
you has someone in your larger friend or family network
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who if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody
and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening.
And that's the part Buck, that I can't get over,
that I can't get passed, and frankly, that I think
is the most indefensible aspect of this at all.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I just, I mean, just play along with me.
In this world.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
If Barack Obama had had an ear clipped by a
bullet fired by a would be assassin, if a month
later somebody else had tried to kill him, and then
in the same roughly year period, fourteen months one of
the top advocates for Barack Obama had been assassinated at a.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Free speech event.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Is there any way at all that the left would
be saying, Hey, we need four or everybody to tone
down the political violence. And then you toss in all
of the Blue Sky celebrations, all of the Twitter celebrations.
They are banning people on Reddit for condemning the assassination.
Let me repeat that, on some of these forums that
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are moderated on Reddit, they are actually banning posters who
are condemning the assassination. Remember what happened after January sixth,
they wouldn't let Trump have an Etsy account or have
a What's the thing where they do like the poster
boards and Pinterest. They would They banned them on every
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social media platform. They shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook,
on all the Instagram, all the big ones. Many of
you out there, they restrict it as well. I don't
believe in free speech restrictions, but just look at how
the left responded to jan six condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths
of America as violent extremists. And now after they engage
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in violent extremism, the topic is, oh, we got to
tone down the violence. Well, actually, why don't you address
your own house and the fact that this is the
logical consequence of calling a man Hitler and all of
his supporters Nazis. For a decade, this guy wrote anti
Nazi slogans, anti fascist slogans, pro trans slogans on the
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bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk the casings.
I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we have a
mutuality of violence issues here. The left is uniquely right now,
violent and driven by the rhetoric of the Democrat Party.
No one out there is calling Mom Donnie Hitler. Nobody
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is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris or any of
the leaders of the Democrat Party morons. Yes, bad faith arguers, Yes,
but that is focused on what they're saying, not them
as individuals.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
When you say that some.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
One is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say,
but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake
to try to remove a violent extremist.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
This is this is just bs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have been
making the case for years now that Trump, trump Ism,
MAGA are a clear and present danger to the Republic,
are the end of democracy. The you know, the jokes
that are made about Trump twenty twenty eight, they take
very seriously and they completely lose their minds over it.
And I think that finally, what we've seen is, you know,
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people refer to normis, you know, the people who aren't
really that involved in politics day to day. They with
the response to what happened to our friend, to the
assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk, They are seeing this
and coming away with the conclusion, you know, if you're
a fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really
wrong with the left in this country, and the Democrat
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Party is the vessel of the left. Left really controls it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show
and we said, is the left going to dial down
the rhetoric in the temperature, And within a couple of
months the answer was no. They were right back to
Trump is hitler, Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going
to end if Trump is elected president. There's not going
to be an election in twenty twenty six. There's not
going to be an election in twenty twenty eight. They
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went right back to the same arguments they were making
that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is
now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated, instead of
dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten
escalated even more.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, there are people, there are streamers. You know, there's
this whole world of Internet activity that quite honestly is
like people thirty and below that even you and I
who are Internet native in the sense that we both
started like I started doing digital radio before I was
even doing terrestrial rate right right, and I work for
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a website and you started a website, and we.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Understand the Internet. We're not old guys that are like,
what's the dot com thing?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
We're not you know, we're not running around with our
Aol emails. Just kidding some of you.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I know of it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Again, my mom has an Aol email. Don't worry, They're
still cool.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the the there are corners of the Internet discord
Reddit that have become uh, clearly centers of left wing
radicalization on some of these issues, where people are encouraging
each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting
to me as well, Clay that during the Biden administration,
we recall there was the disinformation Czar positions that they
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tried to that they and and that they used.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Nina Djenkowitz was that her name?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, Soviet Mary Poppins, Yeah remember yeah. Uh, the
the efforts to shut down disfavored speech. You mentioned what
they did to Trump. I mean they did this to
an actual president. They kicked him off of while.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was in office, they would not allow him to communicate.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So I also think that there is a there there's
not really a willingness to have rules in place for
how our side conducts itself to try to get accountability
that will always just be used against it. I'm reminded
of the quote from Children of Dune, which is not
the original Dune, but it's one of the follow ons.
(12:16):
I think it's Frank Herbert. When I am weak, I
demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When
I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according
to my rules. That's roughly the quote, and that's really
the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff.
It's when they can get away with it, they censor,
they shut you down, they do all of this. But
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when they've reached a point where they've gone way too
far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh,
it's on all sides and we need to just turn
down the temperature, and oh my gosh, you're censoring people.
I mean censoring people here, JD. This is fourteen. JD
went straight up said people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should
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have their employer's called. So this is from the vice
president of play ten.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Deserve nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Dude, what.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them
out in hell, call their employer we don't believe in
political violence, but we do believe in civility, and there
is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So yeah, the reality here is the employers being called clay.
Democrats were fine with people being being fired for hand
gestures that meant nothing. Democrats were fine, like, we've gone
through all of this and basically now that they don't
have the power, Now that they don't have the you know,
(13:44):
the power to do what they want to do anymore,
there's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think, again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked
a little bit because they recognize the ones that are
intelligent enough that they have a toxic, violent culture on
the way that they have created, and they're trying to
still argue that this assassin was motivated by right wing politics,
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and in fact it's working. We should get into this.
There's polling out there that suggests, again, you guys know,
because we try to be honest with you and share
the full scope of stories, you understand what all the
data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled, that this
was a crazy left winger. A lot of Democrats actually
believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2 (15:44):
We had mentioned that President Trump was talking to reporters
this morning. He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He
spoke about a whole range of issues. Wanted to bring
you up to speed on that. Also, we've got some
updates from FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds
on Fox News talking about the status of the investigation.
(16:06):
But first up here we have We'll get a whole
range of Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now,
Pam Bondi has gotten a little bit of pushback from people,
even on the right, over some comments that she made.
Do we have a team? Do we have that where
she says we're going to go after hate speech? This
got she was on the Steven Miller's wife's podcast, Katie Katie,
(16:30):
Thank You, and it was on that podcast. Yeah, we
have that here, play play what she said on the podcast.
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people?
So we show them that some action is better than
no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you
if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, And
that's across the aisle.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
She means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing.
I hope hate speech. There's there's not a hate speech
exception to the First Amendment. Now, this is where everyone
seems to get clay in this discussion. Not everyone, but
people seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused, or they
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conflate things. It is one thing to say that you
publicly state something and your employer chooses to look you
or I, yes, we can't we're here on the radio.
There are things we cannot say on the radio. There
are words, for example, we could not say without repercussions.
We would get in trouble because of the FCC. That's right, right,
So we accept that as part of because this is
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a time and place restriction on our speech. But also
when you're working for a private employer, especially for an
at will employee, they can decide that you reflect poorly
on them as an employee, and they can fire you.
That is a different thing. Then the government is going
to go after you and lock you up because you
said things that are very very mean or very very gross.
(18:15):
Talking about the hate speech thing, remember the left says
that hate speech is using the wrong pronouns for trans individuals. Right,
So if we're going to get into this, we can't
even define, or rather there is no working definition of
hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like.
So I'm a little surprised that the AG said this.
I think that she I'm actually even sure what she
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thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by where
she's going with it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
What we don't need. So let you take a step
back and hit it two different ways. One, Europe has
hate speech codes that they're trying to apply. Now that's
how you end up when a comedian gets off an
airplane flight in London having five police officers to wait
for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't very
(19:00):
long ago, that a British comedian was accused of hate
speech for addressing trans related issues, and we have seen
sixty minutes went into Germany, with their cameras and followed
as people were arrested for things that they posted on
social media, which I believe were clearly political speech. So
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I think she's wrong here. Two, and this is where
I'm not I'm not happy with this. It is natural
to respond emotionally to awful things. It is one hundred
percent natural. Anybody who listened to this show last week
knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted by
what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of the
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United States cannot be in a position where he or
she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting in
place the principles of the law under which we are
all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way that
the Attorney General of the United sid States spoke here
now to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address,
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which is again she's a lawyer, she should be more
articulate on this. If she were attempting to say, there
is a difference between call to action for violence incitement,
as you said, and political speech. That is true, you
can't go on and say to you or me or
we couldn't say this on the show. Hey, I disagree
with this political opinion, and you should kill that guy
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for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are
not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement,
and if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I think that's what I'm leaning towards. I think
that's what she was her intent was, So she has
to know that conservatives we've been trying to get rid
of the right has been trying to get rid of
hate speeches. And for example, the fact that there have
been people arrested for putting skid marks on a Correct
Pride flag on the road. On the road, No, that's insane, Okay,
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you can't. You can't do that, or that people would
get arrested for burning like the trans flag. You know,
this is a discussion we had we had recently, So
I think she was just saying something else, but it
didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke this
is what was making me think of this. Trump spoke
about it. This has cut four and also about Cash Bettel.
So let's hear what the president has to say.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
First of all, I think that vam Bandhi has done
an unbelievable job, and everybody agrees for that. And Cash,
you know, if you look at take a look at
what he did with respect to this horrible person that
he just captured. He did it in two days. It
took other similar cases four days, five days, four years,
if you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence
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that everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot
of people are saying it not just me, it's so
far the best administration evere.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So the people who are saying that Patel is about
to director Patel is about to get the boot, including
I think Corey Booker said that he said Trump's gonna
leave you high and dry, or He's going to, you know,
kick you to the curb, something like that. Trump is
standing with his people and not backing down at all.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think a lot of that criticism came out because,
to be fair, Cash tried to be overly informative on
social media about the people who were being taken into custody,
and there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck
that were taken into custody that at least the way
that it was released was, Hey, we think we have
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the shooter, and neither of those individuals were in fact
the shooter, and both were released. Now obviously they have
the shooter in custody. I think if Cash Pateel could
go back, he would say, hey, I wish I'd been
a little bit slower in the way that I posted
about some of these arrests. But I think his goal
was as the FBI director, to over communicate with people
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so it didn't look like we were hiding the ball
or to allow conspiracies to take root, and so I
think that was the intent.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I can also point to previous instances where the FBI
was delaying and it looked like delaying so that they
could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing I'm not
talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go
back and think about, for example of Clay. I don't
(23:28):
know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the
I think it was the Obama administration. This is going
back quite a ways. The FBI released a transcript that
the shooter who had called in because he want everyone
to know, and he was saying things like I'm doing
this for Allah, I'm doing this for isis like very straightforward.
The FBI unilaterally decided to block stuff black stuff out
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in the transcript, and it was preposterous because we all
could play the fill in the blank game. We knew
what he was saying, right, We understood what was going on.
And there have been other cases as well where I
think the FBI was Look, I'm the one that I'm
sure a lot of a lot of you listening are
screaming about, is all the Russia collusion stuff instead of
being transparent and letting people know when they knew or
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you know. The problem with that was they were all.
I'm not they were all, but the FBI was in
on that whole scam. So there was just a lack
of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency, putting
information out sooner, that comes from a good place for
director Patel. But there were some missteps, perhaps in the
way the information was shared, because for example, we all
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thought that they had the guy in custody and they didn't,
and that that probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that
are being spread on the left about the motivations of
this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour,
we'll dive into some more of this.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
There is, I believe right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Now, a calculated attempt on the left in this country
because they recognize that normal people out there are saying,
wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder,
and there is a lot of left wing violence in
the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school and
the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And
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you can be a left wing malcatin, but his motivations
this shooter appears to have clearly been fueled by left
wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people
like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists
and all of these things. And so I think they're
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trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations
are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash
Bettel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the
truth out.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, that's I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's
an intentional effort by the media so that they can
avoid the ideological accountability of because remember they were they
have been saying stuff CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post.
You know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets. We don't
really get cinison. We used to call them mainstream media.
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We got rid of that because why do we say
their mainstream right, And then it was legacy media, but
that felt a little too exalted for them. We don't
have really a good term for I don't know, maybe
lib media. My point though, is they have been saying
stuff Clay for years that if somebody really believed, the
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gap between reading this stuff and thinking that you need
to take imminent action is far too small. If somebody
says that the president is a Nazi, the White House
is full of white supremacists, there's not going to be
another election, and they're going to be marching, you know,
they're going to be marching you off into you know,
some kind of camps because you're a Democrat. Whatever the
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crazy stuff that they say, fascism. They use the term
fascism all the time. The people that say that, by
the way, I think, just have very little understanding of
what a fascistic society is.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
One thing that's not true in fascism is you get
more famous and more money in the media if you
are bashing the regime all the time, and that it's
like a good at least it was previously for them
a good strategy. But I think that they the mains.
This is the big the big difference when they do
the both sides is thing the mainstream thinking among the
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Democrat Party when it comes to Trump Maga, all of
it is extreme and delusional. And you can say on
the right there are people who have said nasty things
here or there, but they are fringe. They do not
have they do not have power. They are not you
know in the uh you know, the this the center
(27:35):
of the decision making of the conservative or the right
wing movement in this country. And that's where there's just
an there's just a hugely obvious difference, and we won't.
I was talking to Clay like, do we want to
play these guys? Are not there? These left wing streamers
on Discord. So just so I'm understand this, and now
Discord is where he was having the shooter Discord. Discord
(27:57):
is a chat room, but it goes simultaneously to video
game playings.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So my understanding, because my boys are active, is Discord
you can create group chats, and the group chats on
Discord are basically private message boards that can be very
large or you could create a discord group chat for say,
your family and friends, where everybody can communicate. My understanding
(28:22):
is that he was active in trans related discord group chats,
which some of which can be very substantial in scope.
What is different is again this is me trying to
dive into the Internet here and explain differences. Reddit is
basically an online message board where everybody can see what
(28:44):
is posted, and there are all these different.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like this is like a private I think I might
be thinking of Twitch.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video streaming
service that largely is featuring people playing video games.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So people watch. This is amazing because I actually and
during co I admit this, I started playing some video
games again. I kind of like Call of Duty.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But the idea that I would sit there and watch
somebody else play video games is it's just that makes
no sense to me at all.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
But this is a big Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The communities that do this are huge online.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
My boys love to watch video games be played. Now
they would say, this is how you learn how to
do things on the games, because these guys are super skilled,
whether it's at playing mad and Fifa or Roadblocks and
Fortnite and all these different things. And I asked my
boys about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch
(29:38):
a lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports.
Why is it weird to watch people play video games?
And I was like, oh, you know, so interesting argument.
You and I generation we didn't have the ability to
watch other people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth.
The thing that was crazy to me that they would
watch is other kids opening presence.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
But this is clearly is their generation.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The hard left of gen Z. This is kind of
where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing, and they
have people that are have become very prominent with large followings,
who are really bad dudes, and they're in this part
of the internet, like Clay and I've never been on Twitch.
I've never been on Discord, I you know, and I
(30:22):
barely have ever heard the same For me. I've ever
used Reddit. I've had to come up and search. But
these other things, this is this is a place where
radicalism of the left is thrive, is thriving on the Internet.
And that's really what I think is.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of
the social media sites on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And you might say, well, why do I care.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Reddit is one of the top sources now for AI.
Information that sounds scary, but if you're worried about what
the algorithm is going to spin out, an algorithm is
only as good, and AI is only as good as
the information that is inputed. And Reddit is a a
toxic place when it comes to left wing dominance of
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've
got an update on a different assassination case than the
one we've been very focused on the last few days,
the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United
Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates well, update you
(32:54):
on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it
sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where
we are for this week. A judge is thrown out
the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andie State murder case,
rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a
terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Gregory Carrow
tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an
(33:14):
active terrorism and murder in the second degree is an
active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He did
keep alive the other second degree murder charge for allegedly
executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth of
twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented sufficient
evidence that defended murder Brian Thompson. That does not mean
(33:35):
the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so this
judge is a moron. Yes, so the judge is a moron.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That was quick.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And speaking of idiots,
here is outside the courthouse when the top counts were
dropped against this guy. This is what it sounded like
to a bunch of people, from a bunch of people gathered.
(34:09):
I have a lot of feelings about this claive. One
thing is, you know, the whole both sides. Is them
not a single Trump voter in that crowd? I can
assure you not one. It's all leftists, all Democrats.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, this is where I think a lot of us
and I'll put myself in this camp, became aware of
the uniquely toxic environment on the left. When just down
the road from where we are doing our show, you
can almost see the location of this assassination of the
United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on
(34:39):
the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating,
so the CEO should have expected that he might get
killed and even said it's a good thing. And they
tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart throb
because remember it took multiple days to catch him because
he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled.
There's the bike racks right outside the front of this
(34:59):
buil where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred,
so we know that street very well. And I just
I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him
and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking
into who else knew and what did they know, and
was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll
(35:23):
get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they
certainly were aware of these in the Discord chats which
I was learning about with Discord is certainly we're aware
of Luigi.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And wasn't the joke.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Wasn't there a joke made, you know, don't go to
a McDonald's or something among them, because that's where Luigi
got caught. I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Got turned in by a guy who recognized him at
a I think it was a Pennsylvania era area, kind
of rural location where the guy recognized him. And I
just again there to your point, there is no equivalent
to this on the right.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I can't remember a situation like this where we've seen
a reaction.
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Speaker 1 (37:06):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are here in
New York City.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Down in DC.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Cash Battel, director of the FBI is testifying on Capitol Hill,
and this came.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Out a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Senator Josh Hally of Missouri was asking cash Battel, Hey,
we know that this one guy has been arrested, that
he is a left wing zealot, and there are lots
of suggestions out there that many people in the trans
community may well have known that this attack was coming,
(37:45):
based on different social media posts, different activity out there.
The investigation is ongoing, but this question cut forty I
believe is from Senator Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel.
Listen to the answer here.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
It is in terms of what we do for an
interrogation perspective, we go and reach out to the family
and community immediately, and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations
with local law enforcement, and we're continuing to do that
because those closest to the suspect are going to hopefully
know the most about the suspect and his beliefs and
his ideology. On top of that, unfortunately has been leaked
(38:21):
that there was a discord chat and for those unfamiliar
with it, it's a gaming chat room online that the suspect
participated in. So what we're doing, we've already done, is
sort of legal process, not just on discord, so that
the information we gathered is sustained and held in a
evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it
(38:44):
be decided to do so. And we're also going to
be investigating anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Okay, very good. I see to public reports that the
discord thread had as many as twenty additional users. It
sounds like you're trying to run down all of that
to see if that's accurate. Who else may have been
on that thread, what they may have known.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Is that fair to.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Say it's a lot more than that, and we're running
them all down.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, and you're running
all of that too, every single one. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again that's
Cash Bettel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is going
to be did people know or did they not know
about this plan? Because there are a lot of social
media posts saying that something was going to happen to
Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, Buck,
(39:32):
to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over the place.
Our posts like this comment, in other words, were death
threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people regularly said, Oh,
something's going to happen to Charlie when he speaks at
this location or that location. I'm sure the FBI is
looking into it, but the trans universe out there, that is,
the people that are connected to this trans individual that
(39:54):
the alleged killer was living with, seems fairly substantial, and
many of those people very active, and they tried to
scrub a lot of the commentary by deleting accounts and
by deleting comments that were posted. It's going to be
a big part of this investigation, I think, to find
out how many people might have been involved or had
(40:15):
pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
They're going to look at everything they can and get
into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic
communications is that people think that their security on them,
meaning you can say things and the authorities won't find out. No,
they can get into it, and they will. They'll get
into all these different servers and see what was said,
(40:39):
and they'll also I think chase down additional needs as well.
There's been discussion from Cash, but tell about funding for
this incident or anything similar to it, any left wing
terrorism that is out there. They want to see who
is funding this stuff. I think that's also very important.
(41:00):
Cash saying that we are, in essence, we are going
to here you go. Actually, this is cut one. Would
you guys play this one for me? I wanted to
pull this one up. Here's Cash saying they're gonna go
wherever the money takes them.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's
terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax
on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying
for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We
are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse
engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who
funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring
(41:34):
the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
So that's interesting. Follow the money, terrorism or tax based
on ideology, someone is paying for it. Is he speaking
Clay you think just in general about these kinds of
violent incidents, or is there something about this one in
particular because the rifle that was used, you notice there's
not much of a talk about gun control, because of course,
(42:00):
now if you try to ban this rifle, you're banning
I mean, this is basically an old school bolt action
hunting rifle. Is essentially the murder weapon that was used here,
the assassination weapon that was used. So that's not you know,
there's nothing about that that is expensive or sophisticated or
out of the ordinary. I think it's interesting. I'm not
(42:20):
sure if Cash is just speaking about this to set
a general tone that for any of these incidents and
if there's going to be in the future, let's say
Antifah or Trantifa riots and neighborhoods, are they being funded
by some of these shadowy carv outs that have tie
ins to anybody funded by Soros or whatever it may be,
Or is there something about this that they're specifically looking
(42:43):
at a money trails for him to bring this up.
I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money
in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen
that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators,
they're looking for people that knew they're looking at all
these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics
of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know,
(43:06):
jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake
passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over
here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly don't
know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know they're
trying to chase down.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass
protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I
know there have been some. They had that one No
King's Day or whatever it was, but it's kind of
a bad, sad exclamation, kind of a dud the anti
Trump protests on inauguration Day. You and I have talked
about being in the midst of those and how sad
(43:41):
and muted they felt.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
It was cold.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
We want to give those old ladies a cup of
hot coca. Yeah, I just I felt like they needed
bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles. It
was sad out there.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I walked into Fox News today and there were eight
or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing
outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat
intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have
kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder
(44:14):
is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize
that they were going to get looked into in a
real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some
dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just
be bricks that were able to be picked up in
two by fours and other objects of violence that just
materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters.
(44:37):
I think a lot of us have come to recognize
that there are many people who paid to show up.
But it does feel like those overall, what they tried
to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
In Trump two points, it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Was clearly a rental mob phenomenon that had occurred in
previous left wing protests. I think that's definitely the case.
I also think that now when they look at the
places where this stuff is being organized and planned out,
it is in places like these discord chats. This has
(45:11):
become And I think the perfect example is neither you
nor I, who are very Internet aware and active, are
on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not
on Twitch. But if you were to think about where
do people in Antifa, and where do those kinds of
radicals find each other. I mean, I go back play
(45:33):
to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that
for a long time and a lot of the counter
terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there.
It all started with people who found each other. This
is now Jihattas terrorism we're talking about. But they found
each other on a chat and then maybe they started
(45:54):
attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a
more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing
a little bit of firearms training together or talking about
how to build a bomb, and they would share articles
from Inspire, which was al Qaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda
arms slash, telling people go go do terror attacks. Here's
(46:14):
how you do it, right. But they were finding people
in these chatterms at the point and that, and then
it became very clear over time FBI and other entities
are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going on there,
and I think that they're going to find a lot
of really scary and very likely illegal stuff being discussed
(46:37):
when they start to look at the because these things
tend to be linked to each other, right, this group
is talking. Maybe this group also has this other group
and they communicate in this online ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord
and I know a lot of you are not hyper
online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a
series of private message boards. And I think when they
now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel
referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot
(47:07):
of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should
Discord chats?
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Like again, I understand this is getting into weeds a
little bit for some of you. But Reddit is a
public forum. Twitter is a public forum. That is, everybody
can see what is posted on these So if.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
You or are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the
rental mob together to go, uh, you know, go bash
some windows down at this place at this time, guess
who else is seeing at the cops and everybody.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Else so that they can track. But I wonder to
what extent there's going to be questions now raised about
private message board servers in Discord and the conversations that
are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that because
it's bringing strangers together.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And well, this is what I mean about the old
the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yes, this is where
people would find each other on that's right, and then
that's the form that would be the formation of the
cell or the formation of the sort of radicalization process
would start there and then things would follow trut to that,
then the action would come instead of the old school
(48:15):
chat room, which you know. Now, it's this specifically, these
Discord servers. So I wonder how much of an investigation
is going to go on here? And I think you're
raising good interesting questions.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Which are how much of these private conversations in a
public forum Discord is a company that is hosting and
making money off of these, how much of them are
incredibly toxic?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
And how many of them are criminal in nature? Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes
to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for
authorities to monitor those conversations?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call
it when they know they have the people like moderating?
Thank you moderating. Because Facebook and these and these other
major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've
they've had to, but they also i'm sure, using not
just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this stuff. Discord
(49:12):
maybe kind of the Wild West a little bit. That's
the sense you get, right. It may be almost like
and anything goes in this chat room, and these people
feel like no one else is going to see this
or find this, And as the FBI starts to kick
over some of those stones, we could see some really
ugly stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Also, they reportedly this assassin confessed in Discord. Yeah, that
would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective
tissue for him. And to your point, I wonder how
much of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating
from these toxic people finding each other and driving each
(49:51):
other to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize
the hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of
eight on all sorts of social media sites, but I
think there's a difference between public that is what everybody
can see, and private, which is taking place on these
Discord chats. We'll talk about this, we'll play some of
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Clay has quite about this afternoon. Indeed, mister Stephen A. Smith,
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they are going to be having a debate, and as
we know, we will not step back from debates these days.
We will not in any way, in any way seed
the fields to the other side, although I think you
guys are going to have a pretty cordial but feisty exchange.
But we've got a lot of news to dive into here,
(01:13):
and we've got updates. Well, first of all, Trump is
leaving for the UK, so we've got some sound from
the President himself on a whole range of things Ukraine,
talking about Pam BONDI a deal on TikTok, which I'm
excited about. I have been the only I'm going to
say this, I'm the only consistent conservative I think on
(01:35):
TikTok of the last few years where I'm just like,
I like it.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
We shouldn't get rid of it. Now.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Everybody likes it. Now all of a sudden, it's fine
Trump likes it. Everybody likes it because there's ways to
make it not Now. I know you were saying all along, well,
as long as it's not a Chinese controlled spying operation,
then you like it too. But I've just been waiting
for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok. It
looks like there is also spoke on Gaza JD vance
(02:02):
with some incredibly powerful comments about the people calling for
unity right now with the radical left. I think JD
he was guest hosting Charlie Kirk Show yesterday. I think
JD absolutely nailed it. He's a very impressive guy, a
very eloquent speaker in his own right. And so we'll
(02:23):
get to that more on the Memphis crime crackdown that
may be coming, and then perhaps Clay, because we're in
New York City, the New York City mayor race, which
I'm sad for our New York City based staff because
it is my belief that the mayor is going to
be Mamdani and it is almost a sure thing at
this point, which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous. But let's
(02:47):
dive into a few things here. You know, I actually
want to start with this, so this is kind of
a longer clip because I wanted you to hear the
whole thing. But jd Vance, when he was guest hosting
the Charlie Kirk program yesterday, jd Vance talking about this
because here's what I think is very frustrating for me,
for you, Clay, for a lot of people. Right now,
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you had Charlie, who was doing debate discussion, created a
marketplace of ideas, are a forum for ideas, and he
was assassinated. And now you have all these people who
are saying, well, we just need a marketplace of ideas,
or you know, we just need to tone things down
and get into exchange. Well, hold on a second, we
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were doing that. It's the other side that was not
doing that, uh and is not willing to do it
even Still, here is jd Vance. This has cut nine
with something I just think you all.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Really need to hear.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who
harasses an innocent family the day after the fun that
family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with
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the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is
no unity with the people who fund these articles, who
pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that
Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot
to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.
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Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation
and the Ford Foundation, the groups who funded that disgusting
article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from
generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized by you and me.
The American taxpayer, and how do they reward us by
setting fire to the house built by the American family over.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
I'm desperate for our country to be united in condendation
of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend.
I want it so badly that I will tell you
a difficult truth. We can only have it with people
who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable, and when we
work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism
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in our own country.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think Clay he absolutely nails it. But also the
both sides ism has switched from both sides to political
violence to both sides need to calm down and look
for a unity. No, it's this both sides thing is
not going to fly.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I just can't get past the fact that we have
an entire base of the left wing that has celebrated
this assassination. There's always going to be crazy people, there's
always going to be lunatics. But the idea that huge
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portions of the Democrat base have taken to social media
have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination I
mentioned last week, I bet almost every single one of
you has someone in your larger friend or family network
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who if you go on Facebook, you have seen somebody
and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening.
And that's the part Buck, that I can't get over,
that I can't get passed, and frankly, that I think
is the most indefensible aspect of this at all.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I just, I mean, just play along with me.
In this world.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
If Barack Obama had had an ear clipped by a
bullet fired by a would be assassin, if a month
later somebody else had tried to kill him, and then
in the same roughly year period, fourteen months one of
the top advocates for Barack Obama had been assassinated at a.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Free speech event.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Is there any way at all that the left would
be saying, Hey, we need four or everybody to tone
down the political violence. And then you toss in all
of the Blue Sky celebrations, all of the Twitter celebrations.
They are banning people on Reddit for condemning the assassination.
Let me repeat that, on some of these forums that
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are moderated on Reddit, they are actually banning posters who
are condemning the assassination. Remember what happened after January sixth,
they wouldn't let Trump have an Etsy account or have
a What's the thing where they do like the poster
boards and Pinterest. They would They banned them on every
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social media platform. They shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook,
on all the Instagram, all the big ones. Many of
you out there, they restrict it as well. I don't
believe in free speech restrictions, but just look at how
the left responded to jan six condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths
of America as violent extremists. And now after they engage
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in violent extremism, the topic is, oh, we got to
tone down the violence. Well, actually, why don't you address
your own house and the fact that this is the
logical consequence of calling a man Hitler and all of
his supporters Nazis. For a decade, this guy wrote anti
Nazi slogans, anti fascist slogans, pro trans slogans on the
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bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk the casings.
I'm sorry, I'm not willing to say we have a
mutuality of violence issues here. The left is uniquely right now,
violent and driven by the rhetoric of the Democrat Party.
No one out there is calling Mom Donnie Hitler. Nobody
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is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris or any of
the leaders of the Democrat Party morons. Yes, bad faith arguers, Yes,
but that is focused on what they're saying, not them
as individuals.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
When you say that some.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
One is a violent extremist threat, you can't then say,
but we condemn the acts that are done to undertake
to try to remove a violent extremist.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
This is this is just bs. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, they've been making the case, the Democrats have been
making the case for years now that Trump, trump Ism,
MAGA are a clear and present danger to the Republic,
are the end of democracy. The you know, the jokes
that are made about Trump twenty twenty eight, they take
very seriously and they completely lose their minds over it.
And I think that finally, what we've seen is, you know,
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people refer to normis, you know, the people who aren't
really that involved in politics day to day. They with
the response to what happened to our friend, to the
assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk, They are seeing this
and coming away with the conclusion, you know, if you're
a fair minded person, you're just observing there's something really
wrong with the left in this country, and the Democrat
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Party is the vessel of the left. Left really controls it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
After Trump was nearly killed, we came on this show
and we said, is the left going to dial down
the rhetoric in the temperature, And within a couple of
months the answer was no. They were right back to
Trump is hitler, Trump is a fascist. Democracy is going
to end if Trump is elected president. There's not going
to be an election in twenty twenty six. There's not
going to be an election in twenty twenty eight. They
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went right back to the same arguments they were making
that I believe motivated the assassination attempts. My concern is
now that Charlie Kirk has actually been assassinated, instead of
dialing the temperature down, I think the temperature has gotten
escalated even more.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, there are people, there are streamers. You know, there's
this whole world of Internet activity that quite honestly is
like people thirty and below that even you and I
who are Internet native in the sense that we both
started like I started doing digital radio before I was
even doing terrestrial rate right right, and I work for
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a website and you started a website, and we.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Understand the Internet. We're not old guys that are like,
what's the dot com thing?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Right? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
We're not you know, we're not running around with our
Aol emails. Just kidding some of you.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I know of it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Again, my mom has an Aol email. Don't worry, They're
still cool.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the the there are corners of the Internet discord
Reddit that have become uh, clearly centers of left wing
radicalization on some of these issues, where people are encouraging
each other and sharing certain things. And it's just interesting
to me as well, Clay that during the Biden administration,
we recall there was the disinformation Czar positions that they
(11:35):
tried to that they and and that they used.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Nina Djenkowitz was that her name?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, yeah, Soviet Mary Poppins, Yeah remember yeah. Uh, the
the efforts to shut down disfavored speech. You mentioned what
they did to Trump. I mean they did this to
an actual president. They kicked him off of while.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
He was in office, they would not allow him to communicate.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So I also think that there is a there there's
not really a willingness to have rules in place for
how our side conducts itself to try to get accountability
that will always just be used against it. I'm reminded
of the quote from Children of Dune, which is not
the original Dune, but it's one of the follow ons.
(12:16):
I think it's Frank Herbert. When I am weak, I
demand freedom because it is according to your rules. When
I am strong, I demand obedience because it is according
to my rules. That's roughly the quote, and that's really
the way that the Democrats operate with all this stuff.
It's when they can get away with it, they censor,
they shut you down, they do all of this. But
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when they've reached a point where they've gone way too
far and clearly there's a problem, they start saying, oh,
it's on all sides and we need to just turn
down the temperature, and oh my gosh, you're censoring people.
I mean censoring people here, JD. This is fourteen. JD
went straight up said people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder should
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have their employer's called. So this is from the vice
president of play ten.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Deserve nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Dude, what.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them
out in hell, call their employer we don't believe in
political violence, but we do believe in civility, and there
is no civility in the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
So yeah, the reality here is the employers being called clay.
Democrats were fine with people being being fired for hand
gestures that meant nothing. Democrats were fine, like, we've gone
through all of this and basically now that they don't
have the power, Now that they don't have the you know,
(13:44):
the power to do what they want to do anymore,
there's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think, again, we'll get into this, but they're panicked
a little bit because they recognize the ones that are
intelligent enough that they have a toxic, violent culture on
the way that they have created, and they're trying to
still argue that this assassin was motivated by right wing politics,
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and in fact it's working. We should get into this.
There's polling out there that suggests, again, you guys know,
because we try to be honest with you and share
the full scope of stories, you understand what all the
data reflects, what all the evidence is marshaled, that this
was a crazy left winger. A lot of Democrats actually
believe that this was a Republican that assassinated Charlie Kirk.
(14:31):
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(14:51):
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Speaker 2 (15:44):
We had mentioned that President Trump was talking to reporters
this morning. He is leaving for the United Kingdom. He
spoke about a whole range of issues. Wanted to bring
you up to speed on that. Also, we've got some
updates from FBI Director Patel. He's been making the rounds
on Fox News talking about the status of the investigation.
(16:06):
But first up here we have We'll get a whole
range of Trump stuff. I'll start here with Pam Bondi. Now,
Pam Bondi has gotten a little bit of pushback from people,
even on the right, over some comments that she made.
Do we have a team? Do we have that where
she says we're going to go after hate speech? This
got she was on the Steven Miller's wife's podcast, Katie Katie,
(16:30):
Thank You, and it was on that podcast. Yeah, we
have that here, play play what she said on the podcast.
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people?
So we show them that some action is better than
no action. We will absolutely target you, go after you
if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, And
that's across the aisle.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
She means incitement to violence, which is a very specific thing.
I hope hate speech. There's there's not a hate speech
exception to the First Amendment. Now, this is where everyone
seems to get clay in this discussion. Not everyone, but
people seem to get maybe sometimes intentionally confused, or they
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conflate things. It is one thing to say that you
publicly state something and your employer chooses to look you
or I, yes, we can't we're here on the radio.
There are things we cannot say on the radio. There
are words, for example, we could not say without repercussions.
We would get in trouble because of the FCC. That's right, right,
So we accept that as part of because this is
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a time and place restriction on our speech. But also
when you're working for a private employer, especially for an
at will employee, they can decide that you reflect poorly
on them as an employee, and they can fire you.
That is a different thing. Then the government is going
to go after you and lock you up because you
said things that are very very mean or very very gross.
(18:15):
Talking about the hate speech thing, remember the left says
that hate speech is using the wrong pronouns for trans individuals. Right,
So if we're going to get into this, we can't
even define, or rather there is no working definition of
hate speech. It's just whatever the people in power don't like.
So I'm a little surprised that the AG said this.
I think that she I'm actually even sure what she
(18:35):
thought she was saying with this. I'm confused by where
she's going with it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
What we don't need. So let you take a step
back and hit it two different ways. One, Europe has
hate speech codes that they're trying to apply. Now that's
how you end up when a comedian gets off an
airplane flight in London having five police officers to wait
for him. If you remember that story, which wasn't very
(19:00):
long ago, that a British comedian was accused of hate
speech for addressing trans related issues, and we have seen
sixty minutes went into Germany, with their cameras and followed
as people were arrested for things that they posted on
social media, which I believe were clearly political speech. So
(19:21):
I think she's wrong here. Two, and this is where
I'm not I'm not happy with this. It is natural
to respond emotionally to awful things. It is one hundred
percent natural. Anybody who listened to this show last week
knows that we were strongly and deeply emotionally impacted by
what happened to Charlie. But the Attorney General of the
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United States cannot be in a position where he or
she is responding emotionally when it comes to putting in
place the principles of the law under which we are
all living. And so I'm disappointed by the way that
the Attorney General of the United sid States spoke here
now to your point, if she were inarticulately attempting to address,
(20:05):
which is again she's a lawyer, she should be more
articulate on this. If she were attempting to say, there
is a difference between call to action for violence incitement,
as you said, and political speech. That is true, you
can't go on and say to you or me or
we couldn't say this on the show. Hey, I disagree
with this political opinion, and you should kill that guy
(20:28):
for saying it. That's not protected speech. Death threats are
not protected speech. There is criminal element that moves towards incitement,
and if she's trying to address that, she inarticulately did it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And I think that's what I'm leaning towards. I think
that's what she was her intent was, So she has
to know that conservatives we've been trying to get rid
of the right has been trying to get rid of
hate speeches. And for example, the fact that there have
been people arrested for putting skid marks on a Correct
Pride flag on the road. On the road, No, that's insane, Okay,
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you can't. You can't do that, or that people would
get arrested for burning like the trans flag. You know,
this is a discussion we had we had recently, So
I think she was just saying something else, but it
didn't really come out very well. But Trump spoke this
is what was making me think of this. Trump spoke
about it. This has cut four and also about Cash Bettel.
So let's hear what the president has to say.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
First of all, I think that vam Bandhi has done
an unbelievable job, and everybody agrees for that. And Cash,
you know, if you look at take a look at
what he did with respect to this horrible person that
he just captured. He did it in two days. It
took other similar cases four days, five days, four years,
if you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence
(21:51):
that everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot
of people are saying it not just me, it's so
far the best administration evere.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So the people who are saying that Patel is about
to director Patel is about to get the boot, including
I think Corey Booker said that he said Trump's gonna
leave you high and dry, or He's going to, you know,
kick you to the curb, something like that. Trump is
standing with his people and not backing down at all.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think a lot of that criticism came out because,
to be fair, Cash tried to be overly informative on
social media about the people who were being taken into custody,
and there were two people, if I remember correctly, Buck
that were taken into custody that at least the way
that it was released was, Hey, we think we have
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the shooter, and neither of those individuals were in fact
the shooter, and both were released. Now obviously they have
the shooter in custody. I think if Cash Pateel could
go back, he would say, hey, I wish I'd been
a little bit slower in the way that I posted
about some of these arrests. But I think his goal
was as the FBI director, to over communicate with people
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so it didn't look like we were hiding the ball
or to allow conspiracies to take root, and so I
think that was the intent.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I can also point to previous instances where the FBI
was delaying and it looked like delaying so that they
could politicize. It looked like they weren't releasing I'm not
talking about under this Trump administration, but you can go
back and think about, for example of Clay. I don't
(23:28):
know if you remember the Pulse nightclub shooting under the
I think it was the Obama administration. This is going
back quite a ways. The FBI released a transcript that
the shooter who had called in because he want everyone
to know, and he was saying things like I'm doing
this for Allah, I'm doing this for isis like very straightforward.
The FBI unilaterally decided to block stuff black stuff out
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in the transcript, and it was preposterous because we all
could play the fill in the blank game. We knew
what he was saying, right, We understood what was going on.
And there have been other cases as well where I
think the FBI was Look, I'm the one that I'm
sure a lot of a lot of you listening are
screaming about, is all the Russia collusion stuff instead of
being transparent and letting people know when they knew or
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you know. The problem with that was they were all.
I'm not they were all, but the FBI was in
on that whole scam. So there was just a lack
of faith. So I think the efforts at transparency, putting
information out sooner, that comes from a good place for
director Patel. But there were some missteps, perhaps in the
way the information was shared, because for example, we all
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thought that they had the guy in custody and they didn't,
and that that probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Also, I think he's seeing all of the lies that
are being spread on the left about the motivations of
this shooter. Maybe at the top of the next hour,
we'll dive into some more of this.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
There is, I believe right.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Now, a calculated attempt on the left in this country
because they recognize that normal people out there are saying,
wait a minute, there's a lot of people celebrating this murder,
and there is a lot of left wing violence in
the wake of the shooting at the Nashville school and
the wake of the shooting at the Minneapolis school. And
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you can be a left wing malcatin, but his motivations
this shooter appears to have clearly been fueled by left
wing attacks on Charlie Kirk, on Donald Trump, on people
like you and me as Hitler and Nazis and fascists
and all of these things. And so I think they're
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trying to intentionally confuse people as to where these motivations
are coming from. So I think the goal of Cash
Bettel and Dan Bongino is to try to get the
truth out.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, that's I mean, that's absolutely what's going on. There's
an intentional effort by the media so that they can
avoid the ideological accountability of because remember they were they
have been saying stuff CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post.
You know, the biggest Democrat aligned media outlets. We don't
really get cinison. We used to call them mainstream media.
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We got rid of that because why do we say
their mainstream right, And then it was legacy media, but
that felt a little too exalted for them. We don't
have really a good term for I don't know, maybe
lib media. My point though, is they have been saying
stuff Clay for years that if somebody really believed, the
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gap between reading this stuff and thinking that you need
to take imminent action is far too small. If somebody
says that the president is a Nazi, the White House
is full of white supremacists, there's not going to be
another election, and they're going to be marching, you know,
they're going to be marching you off into you know,
some kind of camps because you're a Democrat. Whatever the
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crazy stuff that they say, fascism. They use the term
fascism all the time. The people that say that, by
the way, I think, just have very little understanding of
what a fascistic society is.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
One thing that's not true in fascism is you get
more famous and more money in the media if you
are bashing the regime all the time, and that it's
like a good at least it was previously for them
a good strategy. But I think that they the mains.
This is the big the big difference when they do
the both sides is thing the mainstream thinking among the
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Democrat Party when it comes to Trump Maga, all of
it is extreme and delusional. And you can say on
the right there are people who have said nasty things
here or there, but they are fringe. They do not
have they do not have power. They are not you
know in the uh you know, the this the center
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of the decision making of the conservative or the right
wing movement in this country. And that's where there's just
an there's just a hugely obvious difference, and we won't.
I was talking to Clay like, do we want to
play these guys? Are not there? These left wing streamers
on Discord. So just so I'm understand this, and now
Discord is where he was having the shooter Discord. Discord
(27:57):
is a chat room, but it goes simultaneously to video
game playings.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So my understanding, because my boys are active, is Discord
you can create group chats, and the group chats on
Discord are basically private message boards that can be very
large or you could create a discord group chat for say,
your family and friends, where everybody can communicate. My understanding
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is that he was active in trans related discord group chats,
which some of which can be very substantial in scope.
What is different is again this is me trying to
dive into the Internet here and explain differences. Reddit is
basically an online message board where everybody can see what
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is posted, and there are all these different.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like this is like a private I think I might
be thinking of Twitch.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, you're thinking of Twitch, which is a video streaming
service that largely is featuring people playing video games.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So people watch. This is amazing because I actually and
during co I admit this, I started playing some video
games again. I kind of like Call of Duty.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But the idea that I would sit there and watch
somebody else play video games is it's just that makes
no sense to me at all.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
But this is a big Oh.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The communities that do this are huge online.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
My boys love to watch video games be played. Now
they would say, this is how you learn how to
do things on the games, because these guys are super skilled,
whether it's at playing mad and Fifa or Roadblocks and
Fortnite and all these different things. And I asked my
boys about that, and they said, well, Dad, you watch
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a lot of sports, and that's just other people playing sports.
Why is it weird to watch people play video games?
And I was like, oh, you know, so interesting argument.
You and I generation we didn't have the ability to
watch other people play video games. This is actually an outgrowth.
The thing that was crazy to me that they would
watch is other kids opening presence.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
But this is clearly is their generation.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The hard left of gen Z. This is kind of
where they're on Discord and this Twitch thing, and they
have people that are have become very prominent with large followings,
who are really bad dudes, and they're in this part
of the internet, like Clay and I've never been on Twitch.
I've never been on Discord, I you know, and I
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barely have ever heard the same For me. I've ever
used Reddit. I've had to come up and search. But
these other things, this is this is a place where
radicalism of the left is thrive, is thriving on the Internet.
And that's really what I think is.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Reddit is maybe the furthest left wing of all of
the social media sites on the Internet.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And you might say, well, why do I care.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Reddit is one of the top sources now for AI.
Information that sounds scary, but if you're worried about what
the algorithm is going to spin out, an algorithm is
only as good, and AI is only as good as
the information that is inputed. And Reddit is a a
toxic place when it comes to left wing dominance of
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
All right, welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We've
got an update on a different assassination case than the
one we've been very focused on the last few days,
the Luigi Mangione case, the alleged assassin of the United
Healthcare CEO, and this one to updates well, update you
(32:54):
on what happened, and then you'll hear about what it
sounded like outside the courthouse here in New York where
we are for this week. A judge is thrown out
the top counts in Luigi Mangio Andie State murder case,
rejecting claims the accused killer can be charged as a
terrorist and a huge blow to prosecutors. Judge Gregory Carrow
tossed charges of murder in the first degree as an
(33:14):
active terrorism and murder in the second degree is an
active terrorism against the twenty seven year old. He did
keep alive the other second degree murder charge for allegedly
executing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on December fourth of
twenty twenty four. Let me see, the people presented sufficient
evidence that defended murder Brian Thompson. That does not mean
(33:35):
the defendant did so with terroristic intent. Okay, so this
judge is a moron. Yes, so the judge is a moron.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That was quick.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, the judge is an idiot. And speaking of idiots,
here is outside the courthouse when the top counts were
dropped against this guy. This is what it sounded like
to a bunch of people, from a bunch of people gathered.
(34:09):
I have a lot of feelings about this claive. One
thing is, you know, the whole both sides. Is them
not a single Trump voter in that crowd? I can
assure you not one. It's all leftists, all Democrats.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well, this is where I think a lot of us
and I'll put myself in this camp, became aware of
the uniquely toxic environment on the left. When just down
the road from where we are doing our show, you
can almost see the location of this assassination of the
United Healthcare CEO. A lot of people defended it on
(34:39):
the left and said, well, insurance companies are really frustrating,
so the CEO should have expected that he might get
killed and even said it's a good thing. And they
tried to turn Luigi and Angeoni into a heart throb
because remember it took multiple days to catch him because
he had done the shooting wearing a mask and immediately fled.
There's the bike racks right outside the front of this
(34:59):
buil where he grabbed a bike and then vanished.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, we're right here in midtown near where the assassination occurred,
so we know that street very well. And I just
I think about one the assassin of Charlie Kirk, him
and his We we'll talk more also about they're looking
into who else knew and what did they know, and
was anyone aiding in a betting in any way. We'll
(35:23):
get to that in the third hour. But Clay, they
certainly were aware of these in the Discord chats which
I was learning about with Discord is certainly we're aware
of Luigi.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And wasn't the joke.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Wasn't there a joke made, you know, don't go to
a McDonald's or something among them, because that's where Luigi
got caught. I think, yeah, that's right, McDonald He.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Got turned in by a guy who recognized him at
a I think it was a Pennsylvania era area, kind
of rural location where the guy recognized him. And I
just again there to your point, there is no equivalent
to this on the right.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I can't remember a situation like this where we've seen
a reaction.
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Speaker 1 (37:06):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are here in
New York City.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Down in DC.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Cash Battel, director of the FBI is testifying on Capitol Hill,
and this came.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Out a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Senator Josh Hally of Missouri was asking cash Battel, Hey,
we know that this one guy has been arrested, that
he is a left wing zealot, and there are lots
of suggestions out there that many people in the trans
community may well have known that this attack was coming,
(37:45):
based on different social media posts, different activity out there.
The investigation is ongoing, but this question cut forty I
believe is from Senator Josh Holly and Missouri for Cash Battel.
Listen to the answer here.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
It is in terms of what we do for an
interrogation perspective, we go and reach out to the family
and community immediately, and we've conducted those investigations and interrogations
with local law enforcement, and we're continuing to do that
because those closest to the suspect are going to hopefully
know the most about the suspect and his beliefs and
his ideology. On top of that, unfortunately has been leaked
(38:21):
that there was a discord chat and for those unfamiliar
with it, it's a gaming chat room online that the suspect
participated in. So what we're doing, we've already done, is
sort of legal process, not just on discord, so that
the information we gathered is sustained and held in a
evidentiary posture that we could use in prosecution should it
(38:44):
be decided to do so. And we're also going to
be investigating anyone and everyone involved in that discord chat.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
Okay, very good. I see to public reports that the
discord thread had as many as twenty additional users. It
sounds like you're trying to run down all of that
to see if that's accurate. Who else may have been
on that thread, what they may have known.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Is that fair to.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
Say it's a lot more than that, and we're running
them all down.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's a lot more than twenty. Yes, and you're running
all of that too, every single one. Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
So one of the challenges here, Buck, and again that's
Cash Bettel responding today testifying on Capitol Hill, is going
to be did people know or did they not know
about this plan? Because there are a lot of social
media posts saying that something was going to happen to
Charlie Kirk on that day. Now, what we don't know, Buck,
(39:32):
to be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all over the place.
Our posts like this comment, in other words, were death
threats against Charlie Kirk so common that people regularly said, Oh,
something's going to happen to Charlie when he speaks at
this location or that location. I'm sure the FBI is
looking into it, but the trans universe out there, that is,
the people that are connected to this trans individual that
(39:54):
the alleged killer was living with, seems fairly substantial, and
many of those people very active, and they tried to
scrub a lot of the commentary by deleting accounts and
by deleting comments that were posted. It's going to be
a big part of this investigation, I think, to find
out how many people might have been involved or had
(40:15):
pre existing knowledge of this assassination attempt.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
They're going to look at everything they can and get
into these discord chats. The thing about all these electronic
communications is that people think that their security on them,
meaning you can say things and the authorities won't find out. No,
they can get into it, and they will. They'll get
into all these different servers and see what was said,
(40:39):
and they'll also I think chase down additional needs as well.
There's been discussion from Cash, but tell about funding for
this incident or anything similar to it, any left wing
terrorism that is out there. They want to see who
is funding this stuff. I think that's also very important.
(41:00):
Cash saying that we are, in essence, we are going
to here you go. Actually, this is cut one. Would
you guys play this one for me? I wanted to
pull this one up. Here's Cash saying they're gonna go
wherever the money takes them.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
I've always said we follow the money, and whether it's
terrorism or a tax based on ideology or a tax
on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying
for it, and we are reverse tracing those steps. We
are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse
engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who
funded them and knowingly funded them, and we will bring
(41:34):
the appropriate steps against them with our partners at DJ.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
So that's interesting. Follow the money, terrorism or tax based
on ideology, someone is paying for it. Is he speaking
Clay you think just in general about these kinds of
violent incidents, or is there something about this one in
particular because the rifle that was used, you notice there's
not much of a talk about gun control, because of course,
(42:00):
now if you try to ban this rifle, you're banning
I mean, this is basically an old school bolt action
hunting rifle. Is essentially the murder weapon that was used here,
the assassination weapon that was used. So that's not you know,
there's nothing about that that is expensive or sophisticated or
out of the ordinary. I think it's interesting. I'm not
(42:20):
sure if Cash is just speaking about this to set
a general tone that for any of these incidents and
if there's going to be in the future, let's say
Antifah or Trantifa riots and neighborhoods, are they being funded
by some of these shadowy carv outs that have tie
ins to anybody funded by Soros or whatever it may be,
Or is there something about this that they're specifically looking
(42:43):
at a money trails for him to bring this up.
I just think it's interesting that he's talking about money
in this incident, whether whether there's anything that they've seen
that makes them think because they're looking for co conspirators,
they're looking for people that knew they're looking at all
these different aspects of it. I wouldn't think the logistics
of this would require financing. Really, it's not like you know,
(43:06):
jihatas terrorists you have to get Maybe they're getting fake
passports and they're getting plane tickets and they're coming over
here or whatever. But there is stuff we clearly don't
know yet, and that even the FBI doesn't know they're
trying to chase down.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Isn't it interesting to a large extent that the mass
protests have not existed for year one of Trump. I
know there have been some. They had that one No
King's Day or whatever it was, but it's kind of
a bad, sad exclamation, kind of a dud the anti
Trump protests on inauguration Day. You and I have talked
about being in the midst of those and how sad
(43:41):
and muted they felt.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
It was cold.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
We want to give those old ladies a cup of
hot coca. Yeah, I just I felt like they needed
bigger coats. Their purple hair was turning into icicles. It
was sad out there.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
I walked into Fox News today and there were eight
or so bedraggled protesters, all seventy five or older, standing
outside of Fox News protesting. It is to me somewhat
intriguing that all of the counter protests to Trump have
kind of dried up. And the reason why I wonder
(44:14):
is did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize
that they were going to get looked into in a
real way, because remember how suspicious it always was. Some
dump truck would pull up and suddenly there would just
be bricks that were able to be picked up in
two by fours and other objects of violence that just
materialized for everybody. There are a lot of paid protesters.
(44:37):
I think a lot of us have come to recognize
that there are many people who paid to show up.
But it does feel like those overall, what they tried
to label organic protests, have suddenly vanished.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
In Trump two points, it.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Was clearly a rental mob phenomenon that had occurred in
previous left wing protests. I think that's definitely the case.
I also think that now when they look at the
places where this stuff is being organized and planned out,
it is in places like these discord chats. This has
(45:11):
become And I think the perfect example is neither you
nor I, who are very Internet aware and active, are
on discord or doing any of this stuff, certainly not
on Twitch. But if you were to think about where
do people in Antifa, and where do those kinds of
radicals find each other. I mean, I go back play
(45:33):
to the old Jihattis chat room. This was something that
for a long time and a lot of the counter
terrorism investigations of the call it the twenty tens around there.
It all started with people who found each other. This
is now Jihattas terrorism we're talking about. But they found
each other on a chat and then maybe they started
(45:54):
attending the same mosque, they'd try to go to a
more radical mosque, and then maybe they would start doing
a little bit of firearms training together or talking about
how to build a bomb, and they would share articles
from Inspire, which was al Qaiding the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda
arms slash, telling people go go do terror attacks. Here's
(46:14):
how you do it, right. But they were finding people
in these chatterms at the point and that, and then
it became very clear over time FBI and other entities
are very actively monitoring any terrorist conspiracies going on there,
and I think that they're going to find a lot
of really scary and very likely illegal stuff being discussed
(46:37):
when they start to look at the because these things
tend to be linked to each other, right, this group
is talking. Maybe this group also has this other group
and they communicate in this online ecosystem.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord
and I know a lot of you are not hyper
online necessarily listening to us, but you basically have a
series of private message boards. And I think when they
now know that this Discord group chat that cash Betel
referenced exists, I think there's going to be a lot
(47:07):
of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent should
Discord chats?
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Like again, I understand this is getting into weeds a
little bit for some of you. But Reddit is a
public forum. Twitter is a public forum. That is, everybody
can see what is posted on these So if.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
You or are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the
rental mob together to go, uh, you know, go bash
some windows down at this place at this time, guess
who else is seeing at the cops and everybody.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Else so that they can track. But I wonder to
what extent there's going to be questions now raised about
private message board servers in Discord and the conversations that
are being facilitated inside of that marketplace. Is that because
it's bringing strangers together.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And well, this is what I mean about the old
the old school jihatas chat rooms. Yes, this is where
people would find each other on that's right, and then
that's the form that would be the formation of the
cell or the formation of the sort of radicalization process
would start there and then things would follow trut to that,
then the action would come instead of the old school
(48:15):
chat room, which you know. Now, it's this specifically, these
Discord servers. So I wonder how much of an investigation
is going to go on here? And I think you're
raising good interesting questions.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Which are how much of these private conversations in a
public forum Discord is a company that is hosting and
making money off of these, how much of them are
incredibly toxic?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
And how many of them are criminal in nature? Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
And what is the responsibility of Discord when it comes
to monitoring in some way those conversations and or for
authorities to monitor those conversations?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I wonder what kind of uh, what do they call
it when they know they have the people like moderating?
Thank you moderating. Because Facebook and these and these other
major platforms have gotten far more savvy about moderation they've
they've had to, but they also i'm sure, using not
just algorithms but AI increasingly to do this stuff. Discord
(49:12):
maybe kind of the Wild West a little bit. That's
the sense you get, right. It may be almost like
and anything goes in this chat room, and these people
feel like no one else is going to see this
or find this, And as the FBI starts to kick
over some of those stones, we could see some really
ugly stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Also, they reportedly this assassin confessed in Discord. Yeah, that
would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective
tissue for him. And to your point, I wonder how
much of the toxicity that we are seeing is emanating
from these toxic people finding each other and driving each
(49:51):
other to additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize
the hate that they are experiencing. Again, there's lots of
eight on all sorts of social media sites, but I
think there's a difference between public that is what everybody
can see, and private, which is taking place on these
Discord chats. We'll talk about this, we'll play some of
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