BonusDaily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 20 2025

Meet my friends, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton!  If you love Verdict, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show might also be in your audio wheelhouse. Politics, news analysis, and some pop culture and comedy thrown in too.

 

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Mamdanism

 

President Trump will meet New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani at the White House, a high-profile sit-down that underscores deep ideological divides. Buck analyzes Mamdani’s progressive agenda, including proposals for rent freezes, free public buses, and universal childcare, arguing these policies mirror failed socialist experiments and will worsen housing scarcity in New York City. He explains how government intervention in markets—such as rent control—creates artificial constraints that drive up costs and reduce housing availability, citing economic principles from Hayek’s Road to Serfdom. Buck warns that Mamdani’s tax-hike plans targeting corporations and high earners will further destabilize the city’s economy.

 

FL Gov. Ron DeSantis

 

Buck welcomes FL Governor Ron DeSantis for an in-depth discussion on Florida’s bold proposal to eliminate property taxes on homesteaded properties. DeSantis explains the economic rationale: skyrocketing property valuations are squeezing young families, while local governments have ballooned budgets from $32 billion in 2019 to $56 billion today. He argues that cutting homestead property taxes would protect true homeownership, reduce market distortions, and leverage Florida’s unique tax base, which relies heavily on non-resident property owners. DeSantis outlines plans for a 2026 ballot initiative, addresses concerns about special interests, and contrasts Florida’s lean, results-driven governance with New York’s bloated spending under progressive leadership. The conversation also touches on New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani’s agenda, warning that policies like rent freezes and anti-police measures will accelerate urban decline.

 

WI Sen. Ron Johnson

 

Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who discusses alarming revelations about the FBI’s handling of the Thomas Crooks assassination attempt on President Trump. Johnson suggests the Bureau may have withheld critical information about Crooks’ online activity, including radicalization indicators, and criticizes the lack of transparency despite bipartisan efforts to investigate. He confirms his committee is pursuing independent inquiries and warns that more details will surface.

 

The conversation shifts to the Epstein Transparency Act, which passed Congress with near-unanimous support. Johnson explains why the Senate fast-tracked the measure and outlines concerns about protecting victims while ensuring public disclosure. He predicts the DOJ will release files within 30 days of Trump’s signature, though some material may remain withheld for legal reasons. Buck and Johnson agree this rare bipartisan moment reflects overwhelming public demand for accountability in the Epstein case.

 

Johnson also tackles FBI abuses under “Operation Arctic Frost,” describing it as a partisan dragnet targeting Trump allies, Republican groups, and even ordinary citizens in Wisconsin. He calls for full exposure of communications between Biden officials and outside legal operatives, framing the probe as an attempt to criminalize lawful political activity. The senator further advocates ending the Senate filibuster, aligning with Trump’s position to secure election integrity, repair Obamacare’s failures, and advance conservative reforms.

 

Bye, Bye, Dept. of Ed?

 

Buck analyzes Karoline Leavitt’s fiery White House briefing, where she announced a major step toward dismantling the Department of Education. Leavitt detailed plans to redistribute its functions across other agencies, moving toward Trump’s campaign promise to return education control to states and eliminate federal overreach. Buck applauds the move, arguing the Department has long served as a progressive policy arm rather than an educational necessity.

 

The show also previews Trump’s upcoming meeting with New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani, which Levitt characterized as a stark contrast between Trump’s pragmatic leadership and Mamdani’s far-left agenda. Buck predicts fireworks from the meeting and critiques Mamdani’s socialist proposals, including rent freezes and free public transit, as disastrous for New York’s economy. 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We're talking
about the mom Donnie Cammy mom Donnie. He is going
to be in the White House tomorrow, so I always
got that going for him, which is nice. But we
are looking at what this is going to be like
VIP email from Pamela. Thanks Buck for reminding me to
laugh sometimes at the Democrat antics rather than just feel

(00:21):
anger or fear. It's much healthier to recognize it for
what it is. Keep the face, keep the faith, preserve
my sanity. You guys are the best. Uh well, yes, yes, indeed,
thank you. We try. We try to be happy warriors here.
You know, we're in the fight. But look, it's the
day to day is stress one hard enough. If we
want you to come here, get a lot of great information,

(00:43):
get insights, you know, have people like Governor DeSantis and
Senator Ron Johnson fill you in on what's happening from
the very top levels of government, respectively, in their different spheres.
But also have fun. You know, we want you to
have fun obviously every day. It's because it's more fun
for us too. So I really I really appreciate that.
I just had to open up with the jasmine crack

(01:04):
the thing today. Do you realize that a man named
Jeffrey Epstein? You know, I I grew up in Manhattan,
and I think there were there were several Jeffrey Epstein's
in my general vicinity. I didn't even I didn't even
think about it until now. Oh my gosh, it's amazing.

(01:25):
It is amazing. Also, VIP email from William writes, Hey Bock,
to continue the fun, we should go to Jasmine's website
and donate to her campaign using the name Jeffrey Epstein. Well, don't,
don't donate in someone else's name. But I get the joke,
and yeah, it's oh man, funny, funny stuff, funny stuff.

(01:47):
All right, Now, we got this Mom Donnie meeting tomorrow.
What what's really an issue here? And I think that
there's gonna be an effort to well, first of all,
it's going to be an effort to make Mamdaniism and
Clay and I have talked about this a lot an
issue for the midterms. I don't know how much how
well that will work. I think the cost of things

(02:11):
is a huge decider of where this midterm is going
to go. Whether you know, who makes the case that
they're better at handling costs. I was just actually reading
a couple of days ago a piece I can't remember
Wall Street, You're on thear time. I read all these

(02:32):
different newspapers constantly, so I can't keep straight sometimes where
I read it. But as you know, one of the
big Mumdani plans is a rent freeze. I'm going to
freeze the rent. And this is one of these ideas
that I get it. It sounds good. Look, oh the
rent's going to be frozen. A lot of people now
it doesn't sound good of your landlord. We'll get to that,

(02:53):
but oh, you know, the rent's going to be frozen,
because yeah, New York rent is very high. Why is
New York and very high? This is true in a
lot of cases, Okay, a lot of places. It's not.
New York is a test case for this, but it's
same things true for house building in Los Angeles County?

(03:15):
Is that the county?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
LA?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's La County, right, yeah, Los Angeles County. Same thing's
true in a lot of very left wing districts in
this and counties in this country. What makes the cost
so high are things like labor cost, regulatory cost, and
then market conditions as well. Do a lot of people

(03:37):
want to live where you want to live. There's also
a supply and demand aspect of it, but there are
artificial constraints on the supply and demand as a result
of government intervention. Right, this is where Hyak it's a
little dry, but Hyak's road to serve them is so
good because Hyak makes the case that and it's very

(04:01):
important to remember, government intervention in markets begets more government
intervention in markets. The more the government tries to play god,
so to speak, in where you can live and what
you pay and what you can buy and all this,
then there's this tendency for them to say, oh, we've
created a distortion in the market, let's fix it with

(04:22):
more government regulation. And you all see this in your
day to day life. You know, whenever the government has
done something, you're like, well, that's a dumb idea. What
happens later when everyone realizes the dumb idea, does the
government say let's stop doing the dumb thing. No, they
generally want to do another dumb thing to fix the
dumb thing that they should not have done in the

(04:43):
first place. And with that, I bring you rent control
or a rent freeze, both of them applicable here in
New York City. Oh, let's just freeze the rent. Well,
does that freeze the cost? Does that freeze taxes on
the people own these buildings? You know, this is where

(05:03):
you start to see the destructive hand of government and markets.
And Mom, Donnie fundamentally does not. This is where he's
a commie. Well, we'll just you know, we'll give more
to people and then they'll have more stuff than everybody.
Everybody will be happy. But no, what about the hand
that takes What about the government hand that says, well,

(05:24):
that's mine now, and I'm going to give it to
somebody else. That redistributive mechanism. You think about housing stock
in New York City, there are fifty thousands, fifty thousand
housing units, mostly apartments, some multifamilies and homes and stuff,

(05:45):
But fifty thousand places where a person or a family
could live that are off the market, off the market
entirely and in disrepair, unlivable. They've got you know, they
had some kind of a flood, or they have an
asbaestos problem, or they have whatever it is. And you

(06:06):
know why they're off the market and not going to
be on the market because New York City pass laws
that make it impossible for them, for the landlords to
recoup the cost of what it would be to make
the place livable. So so you want to talk about
artificial housing constraints, These are already These are domiciles that

(06:30):
would be ready to go. You got to put some
money into them. But the landlords realize if I can
only if I have to spend let's just make this
kind of simple, A one bedroom, a one bedroom apartment.
And if I spend fifty thousand, I'm a landlord in
New York. Right there we go. I spend fifty thousand

(06:50):
dollars to bring that apartment up to code, make it nice,
make it you know, clean, safe, somebody's going to want
to live there. But I can only raise the rent
from what it used to be fifty dollars a month
one hundred dollars a month. I'm never going to recoup
my investment. I would need to raise the rent, you know,
one thousand dollars a month, or fifteen hundred dollars a month,

(07:12):
or whatever it may be, and they won't allow it.
And so as a result of all these young people
like I can't afford to live in New York. Well,
that's because the idiot politicians who run New York City,
which is only possible. Also, the New York bureaucracy is
only possible because of the one percent of high earners
in New York who fund all of the madness. Also

(07:34):
true in California. If one percent of New Yorkers left,
I mean that full one percent of top earners, if
all of them left, the whole the whole city budget,
I mean, you'd lose half of the revenue be gone.
So because New York has such a concentration of extremely
high earners, they're able to get away with a lot

(07:58):
of really bad policy. It's a bit like a a
national government that has a tremendous amount of oil. They
can get away with a lot of really bad policy
because oil is gonna pay a lot of the bills.
And that's that's like having an ATM machine that's just
spewing out money when you have I think New York
has more obviously more billionaires than anywhere else in the country,

(08:18):
and more extreme high earners, although the Bay are maybe
the Bay Area actually now I'd have to look at
the numbers. Because of all the tech stuff. There's tremendous
high earners there too. But if you had a flight
of just even half of that one percent, the whole city,
even twenty five percent of that one percent, ten percent

(08:38):
of that one percent, the city budget just can't can't work,
can't function. You start to think about how you get
a state in that a federal bailout or something. So
my problem with Mom Donnie, my mom Donnie ism is
he has no response to what I said, other other
than to grin and tell people we're gonna make it
better for you. What I just explained is the reality

(09:03):
that there are artificial constraints on housing that make the
existing housing more expensive. And instead of dealing with those
constraints and letting the market a lot of people want
to live in New York, they could build a lot
more housing in New York. But instead of dealing with
that properly, he's going to punish the people that you

(09:24):
actually need to incentivize, landlords, builders, developers. He's going to
punish them more and make the problem worse, make scarcity
a bigger issue. This is exactly what's going to go on.
And then there's the immigration and enforcement side of Oh wait, sorry, here,
here we go Mom Dannie on day one plan. This

(09:45):
is why I was thinking about this. I got so
fired up at even the first order of business is
to freeze the rent play thirteen.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah. I think that the first order of business will
frankly be the Rent Guidelines Board and freezing the rent
for more than two million rent stabilized tenants, something that
happens on an annual basis here in New York City.
The other two, as you referred to, is making buses
fast and free and delivering universal childcare. And just this
past week I had a great meeting with the Governor
where we spoke about our shared focus on an affordability
agenda and on universal childcare particularly, And this is something

(10:15):
that will take a period of time. These are all
promises that I intend to keep over the time that
I am mayor. And I also know that what they
had the potential to do is transform New Yorker's ability
to live in the city.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
This is true, and I know this is going to
sound flippant. You know where they had universal childcare as
a matter of policy, the Soviet Union. They did. Do
you think it was any good? No? No, you did
not want your kids to be in that, But they
did have it so they could have mom and dad
in the factories, the factories that didn't produce very much,
the factories where they pretended to work and the owners

(10:50):
pretended to or the government pretended to pay them because
they were the owners. It's astonishing that this is where
we are, a rent freeze in New York. This guy
got elected. This is the problem with Democrats everybody, and
I know for a lot of you're like buck, I
live in Texas. Why do I care? Because this is
Democrats at the national level too. This is how they
think about everything. They approach it like a child would

(11:11):
approach the problem, instead of looking at what caused it
and brought it to this point. It's like, well, what
bandit can I put on it to make it better?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Now?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
What lipstick can I put on the pig, so to speak,
to make it prettier. They don't actually look at root causes.
They pretend to care about root causes. They don't care
about root causes. They pretend to care about what got
us here. The worst thing you can do for housing
affordability in New York City overall is more stupid policy
that makes it impossible for there to be more units

(11:41):
on the market, more units being built. That's the worst
thing you can do, and that's what he's doing. So
this guy got elected largely on an issue where not
only will he fail to make it better, he is
inevitably going to make it worse. And this is the
part that will really drive a lot of us crazy,
and certainly a lot of New York is crazy. And

(12:02):
he will take no responsibility for it. When he fails,
it'll be somebody else. It'll be the rich, the fat cats,
the millionaires and the billion is. It'll be some class
warfare nonsense, or it's Donald Trump's. It actually probably be
Donald Trump's fault, which is one of the reasons why
I think Trump and Mom Donnie meeting tomorrow is so interesting,
because Mom Donnie has Trump built up as the boogeyman

(12:23):
who will be the excuse for whatever failures Mam Donnie
has in New York City, whatever real market or real
economic failures there are. He'll say, well, it's Trump's fault.
Does he have to explain that. No, it's just going
to be something that he says that makes him feel good.
So we'll see. I'll take your calls on this.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
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Speaker 1 (14:12):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Governor Ron
DeSantis joins us now the governor of my great home
state of Florida. Mister Governor, thank you for making the
time for us.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Cole, it's good to be with you.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
How are you.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm gonna mat You're just doing such a good job. Honestly,
my wife and I were the were the relatively new Floridians,
although she grew up here, but we moved back here
and uh, it's just nice to be in a state
where saying I always tell the audience, I'm like good.
Insane things are happening that I don't even know about.
I read about things that you guys are doing up
in Tallahassee and go, oh that makes sense. I like
that idea. You know, when I was in New York,

(14:46):
I was like, can we stop the crazy for five minutes?
Can we just stop the crazy? And bother of the
answer is generally no, Let's start with this possibility because
this is interesting. This has gotten some some pretty big
names the commentary space have been having a little back
and forth online. You support getting rid of homesteaded property

(15:07):
tax in this state. Can you walk through why, how
and whether this is something you think we can actually
get done.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
So One, if you look at what's pinching people, property
taxes is one of the biggest things that's pinching people,
particularly young families. Why because property valuations have gone up,
and so you'll have somebody that's had a house for
thirty years, they're homesteaded. You have a young family bought
a house three years ago. Their valuation is way higher,

(15:38):
so they're paying a much higher amount in property taxes.
You have to sell a house, maybe you get transferred
from Miami to Tampa, you buy high tax bases and
you're there. So we do have homestead protection. It does
limit the increases, but even that it compounds three percent
a year. So taxes is something that we're completely in

(15:59):
control of. I can't control the price of housing. I mean,
we can do some things to have a good market.
You know, we have done big insurance reforms and we
now have seventeen new companies come in and our biggest
insured peninsula just did a rebate or just did an
eight percent reduction, and so we're had in no storms
this year, so we think they'll be positive things there.
But ultimately that's a private market. We control the tax

(16:22):
So here are some numbers. If you in the state
of Florida gets no property tax revenue, I have a surplus,
I have a matched out rainy day fund. I don't
get property tax revenue. I don't need it. So anyone
that tells you all the student's going to have to
raise that, no, we we. In fact, I'm going to
give money to some of these local governments that are
more fiscally constrained to make up. So so that's the

(16:43):
first thing. It's all administered and decided by your local authorities,
and they get one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Of the revenue.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
If you go to COVID, you go right before COVID
twenty nineteen, local governments in Florida brought into total of
thirty two billion dollars in property taxes. You know how
much they're bringing in today six years later, fifty six
billion dollars. Now, Listen, we have had inflation, we've had
head population growth, but it hadn't been that much, and

(17:12):
so they're spending this money that this gusher of property
tax revenue they're spending. And we've been doging the local governments,
blazing Golia, our CFOs doing a fantastic job.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know, he's exposing hundreds of.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Millions of dollars in Miami Dade, in Jacksonville and all
these places that they're over spending. So that's just the
first thing. We've had a huge increase in the size
and scope of local governments because they're getting this.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Now.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Another fact, if you take all the property tax revenue,
you have residential and business. The residential the majority of
it is non homesteaded Floridians, so second homes, snowbirds, airbnb rentals,
you name it. That's the majority of residential property tax revenue.

(18:00):
And then you have the corporate or the business tax revenue.
So the total amount of residential Florida homestead property tax
revenue is between thirty and thirty three percent of all
of this. Now, mind you, the budgets have gone up
way more than thirty percent in the last few years.
So our view is is, well, what if you own

(18:22):
your home and then you stop paying taxes in twenty
years the government takes it from you. So that really
home ownership. And I think Florida we're in a situation
and we're still working on the particulars because the details
do matter, and we're going to have something very positive
for all this. But we are in a unique position
where so much of our tax base is comprised of

(18:44):
people that aren't even full time residents. People that own
these big luxury you know houses are they stay in
for three three months? I'd rather them take the tax
that have you know a cop that's got a house
worth four hundred thousand dollars in Miami. So we the
luxury of being able to relieve our citizens of more
and more burden of taxation. So so that's the nature

(19:05):
of it. Now you've mentioned there have been some stuff.
All I can tell you is like having watched debates
when you all of a sudden start seeing the same
talking points sprouting up just like magically. You know that
that's coordinated, right, that's an op. So there's some people
out there who don't want to see this, and it's
being orchestrated, but none of the arguments really makes sense

(19:26):
against it. And a lot of these people, I think
all of them don't even live in Florida.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
So we have a specific.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
Way we want to go for Floridians that will make
a difference. Another thing, buck just because there's a whole there.
You got to think out what are the incentives and
how this So, for example, I don't want to do
a situation where it's going to incentivize people to flood
into the state to claim a tax benefit from other states.
So it's going to be structured in a way that
you know what you elected, Mendami. You're not going to

(19:55):
just be able to come down here and get and
get no.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Homestead property tax like that.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
You're going to have to be somebody that's been here
for longer now any citizen is here now, you're one
hundred percent. So there's all these different things that we're
working on. We're working on it very smartly, and I've
got a lot of people that are working on it, but.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
The goal is to have something on the.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Ballot in November of twenty twenty six where voters will
be able to vote for it or not.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Well, you know where I stand on this one, and
I've been talking about it for a while and I
think it's really important. And one thing that I see
is also a lot of people who would perhaps even
want to move within this state, they don't want it,
you know, if they want to get a little more
space or whatever it may be. They're worried if they
have to pay at the new rate on property. You know,
property tax creates all these often I think, problematic disincentives

(20:46):
in the market. So that's an issue that people don't
talk about enough. But the opposition to this, you know,
I've seen I know actually some of the people publicly
who are very like, no, you have to someone has
to pay the taxes. Is it just some philosophical oh,
we can't give away more to the boomers or are
their special interests who are aligned against this? Because honestly,
I think and I'm sure you know this, other states

(21:06):
are looking to see how this goes here and they
might want to do some restructuring too.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, well, first of all, I think it's both.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
I don't think it's I don't think those are mutually exclusive.
But you know, there's this argument that somehow this is
a quote giveaway to boomers. Now, first of all, Buck,
I think you and I agree if if I reduce
your taxes, I'm not giving you anything like like, that's
your property, you own it, it's not the governments. And
so we go in this situation where like are you

(21:36):
an AOC or an Obama view where everything belongs to
the government, and then government determines you.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Know, what you get to keep.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
No, my default is you own your home, you get
your income, You get one hundred percent of your income
in floridacause when I have an income tax, any tax
we cut, you're just keeping more of what you already
have had. You earned your home, you purchased that home.
So philosophically, when they're talking about give away way with
respect to reducing taxes, to me, that's a leftist argument. Second,

(22:05):
and you brought it up indirectly elderly people. Now there
are some elderly that are getting strapped with the taxes too,
because they're on fixed income. Their taxes don't lose as
much because they're home seaded, but it still compounds over
many years, and so they're being in a situation where
it's tough. But if you're in a typical residential community
in Florida and you have somebody that's lived in a

(22:27):
home for thirty years and then you have a young
couple that bought a house, say in twenty twenty one,
that young couple is going to have a much higher
tax basis for property tax. They are going to pay
way more in property tax than the elderly homeowner who's
been grandfathered in on the homestead limitation for the last
however many decades. So if you're doing a home seat

(22:50):
exemption the young family, they gain way more with respect
to the total dollar amount that they're doing. So I
think of what it does is that when you have
people out of state, they don't understand how Florida works.
You know, they somehow think that like, you know, elderly
person has a half million dollar home, young couple has
a half million dollar home. Oh yeah, the elderly is

(23:10):
getting as the same benefit. In reality, that is just
not the way it works. Because of people having owned
their home so you know, I think that it's it
clearly is not being done with people that are actually
in Florida.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I want to do.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
But I do think some of it is special interest.
But I do think some of it is ideological, and
I think it's more of a left bent.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, I again, I totally agree with that one. And
they are this audience already knows that, so that's not
anything new. I'm I'm a little surprised to see some
of the voices quite honestly that are on the right
who seem to be have a problem with this. I
think it's bizarre. But anyway, I actually wanted to if
I could. Now you probably saw this governor tomorrow of
Trump and Mom Donnie are meeting, and I just think

(23:54):
this is an opportunity for you to just in the
broadest terms, we have a huge Florida audience, we have
a huge New York audience, and obviously people all across
the country are listening. You have more people in this state, right,
twenty one million and twenty half the budget, Yeah, half
the budget of New York. How is that possible? Like,

(24:15):
what is New York doing? How is it spending twice
as much money with less people?

Speaker 6 (24:20):
Well, not only that, buck New York City has eight
million people. In New York City's budget is bigger than
the entire state of Florida's budget, and we have close
to twenty three and a half million people. And that's
before Mondami, you know, takes over the grocery stores and
does things.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
That's going to cost even more.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Buddy, it's crazy, what would happened. So I think a
lot of it is, you know, they direct money to
special interest They have different people who are kind of
part of their patronage network. In Florida, you will always
spend money on you know. Obviously, you know, we have
a federal state that that does medicate as all states do,
where we didn't expand it under Obamacare, but.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
We do of that portion.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Education, the state has a big role in helping to
fund school districts as well as our school choice scholarship program,
which has a half a million students on it now. Infrastructure,
I've been able to accelerate projects all around the state
of Florida, so we're delivering some five or ten years
ahead of schedule, and that's meaningful for people in terms

(25:23):
of their family time and not to be in traffic
so much. And I know there's other We got a
lot of work in some other Miami's tougher because it's
it's harder to build in different areas, But in other
parts of the state we've made really good progress, I.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Think on that.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
And then we've done the biggest conservation program and environmental
restoration with Florida's Everglades, which is a huge success that
we've done. We did a Florida Wildlife Corridor because we
don't want the whole state to be a concrete jungle.
So we're spending money on things that really matter to people.
But that's really what we spend it on. I think

(25:57):
New York it's all about kind of of whoever's in
the barnacles attached to the ship and all the different
constituencies in the Democratic Party, they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
And it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
They'll say, oh, well, you know they're they they pay
better pension benefits, you know, for their police officers and fire. Well,
the thing is a lot of those people move to
Florida and spend.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Those pensions in Florida.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
So it's like you're doing that and it's like benefiting
our economy down here because you're driving these people away.
But I really think, you know, in terms of there's
obviously a big different stream the president and and Mandami.
Mandami's going to do dumb things in terms of the economy.
He's going to try to raise taxes. He's obviously going
to be governed by a woke agenda, educational stuff for

(26:39):
all that.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
But the number one thing that's going to try to
people out of that city is that he hates the police.
He wanted to bolish the NMPD. He thinks you should
send social workers to answer the nine one one calls.
So he goes down that road and it was bad
under the Blasio. It didn't get much better under the
current mayor. But I think he's going to build the

(27:00):
Blasio looks like a writing. I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Gonna be really scary. I think that's the place. Unfortunately,
having worked with the NYPD for a short while, Governor,
I can tell you that's the place where the mayor
he is kind of the alpha endomega, like he can
make the determinations about what policing is like in the
city these other things, the economic things probably can't. But
Governor of Santists of Flora, thank you, sir for all

(27:23):
you do. Please keep up the phenomenal work and come
back and talk to us again soon about what you're
up to.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Okay, Roger, that bye bye.

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Speaker 1 (28:49):
Third hour of Clay and Buck gets going right now
with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin joining us. Senator appreciate
you as always, sir, thanks for.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Calling in well, Buck, I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, man, things are great here. Let's let's get right
to it. This revelation that came out, it was a
combination of reporting from Miranda Devine, Tucker Carlson on Thomas Crooks,
the would be assassin of Donald Trump, that really the
first of two would be assassins, but the one who
actually got shots off and managed to shoot the President

(29:24):
in the ear. There seems to be information that maybe
the FBI had but didn't publicly release or first let
me ask you about that What do you make of
this that there were some accounts online that we weren't
told about that indicated at least at some level, Thomas

(29:44):
Crooks had become a using trans pronouns all this kind
of stuff. What do you make of this? Did the
FBI probably know and just not talk about it, or
did they miss it or what?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, again, I've got a great deal of sympathy for
cash matel and Bongino Tambondi going to these agencies trying
to root out the deep state actors that many are
still burrowed in, unable to really hire the kind of
staff they need because of the lawfare against good people
like judged troops in Wisconsin and others. They're they're kind

(30:17):
of reluctant to join the trumpministration during their career be destroyed.
So I've got I want to start there. I've got
a great deal of simpthon these guys come into office,
They've got enormous messes they're trying to clean up, actually
turn these agencies into what they were meant to be
crime fighting units for the standpoint of the FBI. But

(30:38):
at the same time, I'll say I've been frustrating. We
tried to undertake by Parisian investigation, and then we did
some work but buying large what we found out about
Butler was pretty well gleaned by my investory staff in
the first week, primarily talking to local law officials. I
issued what I considered the friendly subpoena into the FBI

(30:59):
to help prompt more documents, more more information coming forward
with our liaison of the FBI actually thanked this for
the subpoena. But the fact matters, we really have not
gotten much. So we've had to go out and contact
phone carriers and social media companies. We're starting to get information.
We're piecing things together. You know, there are things that

(31:23):
are interesting that we need to kind a complete the
investigation before we start publishing. But no, there's an awful
lot unknown about Thomas Crooks that, from my standpoint, we
should have known quite some time ago.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Just so I'm clear on this, Senator, there's an awful
lot that the public should know about that you think
the FBI has and has not made public, Or there's
more that the FBI maybe didn't find.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
It's just probably both both.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Okay, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
You know again, we Yeah, I mean, I'm frustrated. Fucker's
no doubt about it. But again, I don't want to
be throwing fast Tela Dan Bonzi under the bus, because yeah,
we would, just so you.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Know, Senator, we don't do that. You know. We know
cash and and Dan here. They're friends of ours I
from before they took these jobs. They took these jobs
because they want to help and they want to reform,
and they you know, and we get a lot of
heat for standing up for them here because some people
have been very frustrated with even a lot of Trump
voters have been frustrated with a transparency issue. But I

(32:26):
try to remind everybody these are enormous, unwieldy, bureaucratic institutions
that were really left rot from the inside under previous administrations.
There's a lot of work to be done.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
There really is. So we're pursuing this. I'm pretty well
undertaking the investigation now from Santa San point just through
my firm. Subcoming investigation kind of walked away from the bike,
Parson because it just slowed its way down. But again,
all I can say is there's more information that will
eventually come out, uh and some that we have yet

(33:02):
not yet discovered. So we're we're still doing investigation.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Now on the transparency issue. Obviously, you were a yes
vote for releasing the Epstein files because the Senate was
unanimous in this right one member of the House. Everyone
else voted for it. One member of the House is look,
I'm his concern was that he thinks that there are
people that will be tainted who didn't do anything wrong,
but their name is just in some Okay, so that
was his, but everybody else voted to release this thing.

(33:28):
Can you just tell us what your sense is of
where the president has been on this one. I know
you talked to President Trump. He is now in favor
of it, but people keep asking to say, well, why
is he in favor of it now? Why has there
been this delay? And how do you see the release
of the Epstein files from the beginning of this administration
to president in terms of what's going on here, like

(33:50):
why has it been so stop? Start?

Speaker 5 (33:56):
You really did a pretty good job laying out his
concerns about you know, information getting out of the public
demand that really would be harmful to victims, and is
that could be adequately protected and whatever gets released this time,
we're concerns. I think President Trump, as I would have
similar concerns going, is this evidence of these documents untainted?

(34:19):
You know they're in the Biden in the midst of
the Bide administration. Who were I mean that administration doing
everything they couldn't destroy Donald Trump during their four years.
If there's something damaging to Trump, you would think that
would have already been released. So I also take the
president's word. I mean, he just he doesn't We have
serious problems face the station. There are a lot of

(34:41):
things he's addressing. Do we really need this distraction? Having
said all that, I'm as curious as every other American
about what happened bringing people to justice who are pedophiles
that you know, engage this kind of abuse. So again,
I'm as curious as anybody. We didn't take a vote,

(35:03):
by the way, we just passed this by unanimous consents,
I think before the bill even got over here. So yeah,
the Senate didn't want to take much time on this.
That was a fight in the House. People who fought
for disclosure won, and now we'll see what we'll get.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, it's a rare It's a rare moment where things
just fly through and bipartis in fashion in the Congress,
so now we're is it once the President signs this
and everyone believes it's going to get signed imminently, thirty
days for the release. Is that how this goes?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
That's right here? But yeah, they're still probably need to
do a review and there will be some material with
help and they and the while they've got I think
four or five very specific reasons the things that can
be withheld, but you know, really just reflects with the
public wanted to see this. And so as elected officials,

(35:57):
when you when you for a year or that's the
number one thing that people calling into your office is
you know, vote to release the Epstein files. You know,
in the end, representative government actually works.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, what do you have on the on the agenda here?
I know the Senate goes into recess, what next week
sometime for Thanksgiving? What are you hoping can get done
before the end of this year? Is there anything? Are
you going to try to get some judges through? How's
that going? What? What are you looking to get the
Senate to finally push over the finish line here before

(36:33):
we all head out for the holidays.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yeah, the Senate's always doing in nominations now that we
had to change rules because of the obnoxious obstruction of Democrats,
will probably clear another seventy two one hundred nominations of
various types. We are working healthcare by the way we
always have.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's just going to here.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Republics have no plans, you know, we have all kinds
of plans. It's how do we get it passed. Democrats
are in a complete state denial of the miserable failure
that Obamacare has been. The reason people's premiums are increasing
is because of the fault lawed design of Obamacare. So
we are working very diligently on that, you know which,

(37:11):
Scott is probably involved in this, probably as knowledgeable an
individual on healthcare in America, if not the world. So
we've got some good people here. I've bought health care
for thirty years. I'm pretty knowledgeable about as well. So
we're going to do this based on, you know, repairing
the damage done by Obamacare, properly defined the problem coming
up with you know, what are the principles, and President

(37:33):
Trump tweeted the main principles Rather than spend hundreds of
or sent hundreds of millions of dollars into these insurance companies,
you know, I help stock price increase seven percent sence Obamacare,
the slowest percent increase in stock prices four or fourteen percent,
So SAT filling the Conference of Insurance Companies. Why don't

(37:54):
we give that money to the American people, turn them
ino into consumers of health insurance and health care with
things like HSA accounts. So no repubitants have solutions? Is
how can we overcome, you know, the impediment that the
structure of Obamacare is with the current filibuster, which, by
the way, I've very been very public reluctantly, but I

(38:17):
completely agree with Press and Trump. It's time to end
the filibuster. The Democrats will do it. We will look
like schmucks in twenty twenty eight if they have all
the lovers of power and they do this and then
do it to maintain their power, as opposed to We're
going to do it to secure our elections, for the
secure border, hopefully repair the damage done by a biomacare,
transition to a system that works, you know, have a

(38:38):
prosperous economy, make things more affordable. You know, we would
use ending the filibuster for the benef of the American people,
not our own personal power.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson in Wisconsin and Senator I
want to actually circle back if I can, to the
oversight of the FBI for a moment here, because I
know you're very up to speed on the Arctic frost situation. Right.
That was the FBI investigation run under the Biden administration
about January sixth and the twenty twenty election. It looks

(39:11):
like there were abuses there. What can you tell us
about what we're learning about Arctic frost and what's going
to come next?

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Well, I think what has been revealed recently, this wasn't
just a mere fishing expedition. This was a massive partisan
dragnet really meant to cripple the Republican Party. Obviously Trump
was the main target that Yeah, we got, you know,
some members of Congress got some of our phone records
scooped up. But what's maybe the most outrageous is just

(39:39):
ordinary citizens. You know, all these afiliated Republican groups, but
for example, in Wisconsin, thirty eight wisconsinights, just god fearing,
country loving law enforces. Forty people were on the enemy's list.
So they are literally trying to destroy it. Person of
unbelievable terry Judge Troopas who just read presented President Trump

(40:01):
for two months after the election. There were serious problems
in Wisconsin. They're criminalizing that behavior. They're attempting to That's
what all Artie Truss is all about, criminalizing what basically
JFK did in Hawaii, at least alternate electors. It's just shameful.
And I met with the Tourney General Pam Bondi and
Deputy Tourney General Todd Blanche this week and they are

(40:25):
completely on board with exposure. And one of the things
I point out is get us the communication records between
Biden officials and Wisconsin officials on for example, Judge Troopas
you know, let's see the coordination between the Bide administration
and these outside groups. You know, the Mary McCord's, the
market alliances, you know, all these legal groups that the

(40:47):
left has that are engaged in the lawfare across the
board has gotten again not just against President Trump but
ordinary Americans. People just have to support the Republican Party
and President Trump. They're trying to destroy all these people.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Senator Johnson, one more for you before we let you go.
What is your favorite part of a traditional And I
don't know how you guys do it up in Wisconsin.
But a traditional American Thanksgiving feast. Your favorite dish.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
I mean, it's the turkey, it's the dressing, it's the gravy,
it's the mass potatoes, sweet potatoes, and corn. That is
my Thanksgiving dinner. I got to have it all in
the right portions. I start and portion it out and
I end with the exact portions for that final bite.
We just literally had Thanksgiving lunch. John Bosemen provided it,
so I had a pre Thanksgiving dinner. It was fabulous.

(41:38):
Can't wait till Thursday, and I wish all you and
all your listeners are a very happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Sam to you, Senator, thanks so much. Have a great holiday.
We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
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Speaker 1 (43:11):
All right, So, Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary,
has been laying down the SmackDown on various journals, leftists, libs, reporters,
and she's covered a range of topics. I want to
get into some of them right now. This was interesting.

(43:31):
I knew this was coming, and we maybe at some
point we'll be able to have a Linda mcmahn on
she's the Department of Ed secretary. We've reached out a
little busy, see you make that happen. But looks like
the Department of Education could be going bye bye, or
at least parts of it, play Levitt on Cut twenty seven.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
President Trump took a significant step toward delivering on a
core campaign promise to finally close the Department of Education
to shrink the blvded federal bureaucracy. The Department of Education
just entered into new interagency agreements with four agencies, the
Departments of Labor, Interior, Health and Human Services, and State.
These agencies will now ensure the delivery of legally required

(44:14):
programs while also refocusing them to better serve students. This
common sense action brings the Trump administration much closer to
finally returning education where it belongs at the state and
local level, not in Washington, d C. The Democrats reckless
forty three day government shutdown did manage to do one
valuable thing. It proved that America does not need a

(44:37):
federal Department of Education.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
So they are finding a way within the bureaucratic framework
that currently exists to kind of dismantle the Department of Education.
I think that is the plan here, and that's a
good thing. That's a good thing. Does not need to be.

(45:01):
There should not be a federal Department of Education. There's
no reason for this. So several of its main offices,
as she laid out here, are going to be moved
into other places, labor, interior. So this won't affect the
money that Congress gives state schools and colleges. So, but

(45:21):
why do we need a huge bureaucratic department as a
pass through for money that goes to state education programs.
You start to think about this, you go, hold on
a second. We have a whole agency in the Department
of Education, whole department that seems to exist to be

(45:42):
the pass through, the middleman for federal funds that go
into Why don't we just if we're going to give
federal money to education, give money to states that are
actually educating kids and running colleges and universities. So I
think I'm all in favor of this. Education Secretary Lenny

(46:06):
McMahon has started a public campaign for the end of
her department. Yes, yes, that's what you like to see
the person running it saying this should not even be
a job, this should go away. But there's been you
know that the Department Education has really just been a

(46:27):
progressive policy arm under the guise of education, but it's
part of really a lib deep state operation for a
long time. Because Department of Ed is so left wing,
it doesn't really matter what administration is in charge, Republican
or Democrat, the Department of ED just pushes for policies

(46:49):
that are left wing because that's who works there. It's
a bit like the Department or the Environmental Protection Agency
EPA is full of left wing climate change loans and
so it doesn't matter if you have a Republican administration.
You have idealogues in an agency who are pushing an

(47:09):
agenda and doing so against the wishes of the Republican
in the White House. So you got to clean things up,
You got to deal with the mess. Yeah, I think
this is great. You ask people what is the It's
always so fun too. I go, okay, I go into
groc as you know, I like rock a lot. What
does the department a Department of Education do? And let's

(47:35):
just see what it says and I'll read this to you.
A cabinet level federal agency created a nineteen eighty. Its
main job is to oversee and support education, but it
does not run public schools. It distributes federal funding, enforces
federal education laws, and collects research at administer student financial aid.

(47:59):
So it's a past through for a lot of federal dollars.
And it also in terms of the civil rights stuff
with education, that's just pure you know, DEI obsessed left
wing policy stuff. There's no actual need for any no
actual need for any of this. And think about this.

(48:20):
How serious could the Department of Education be about civil
rights when they have been unwilling to stop the madness
of the gender identity disorder stuff going on in all
these schools where they have men pretend to be women.

(48:42):
How can you say you're enforcing Title nine when a
guy can say he's a girl and play on women's sports.
So it's the Department Education gott to go. Hope it goes.
They're moving in that direction. Democrats are going to fight
because the Democrats they get to have policy through agencies

(49:04):
and departments even when they lose elections. That's one of
the incredibly important revelations of the Trump era is that
if you don't actually deal with this, even when we
win elections as Republicans, you end up still with a
lot of Democrat administration or Democrat policy pushed from these places. Now.

(49:30):
She also spoke Caroline Levitt I also spoke about Zoran
Mamdati meeting with Trump tomorrow. This is cut twenty eight.
Let's hear it.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
It speaks volumes that tomorrow we have a communist coming
to the White House, because that's who the Democrat Party
elected as the mayor of the largest city in the country.
I think it's very telling. But I also think it
speaks to the fact that President Trump is willing to
meet with anyone and talk to anyone and to try
to do what's right on behalf of the American people,
whether they live in blue states or red states, or

(50:00):
blue cities in a city that's becoming much more left
than I think this president ever anticipated in his many
years of living in New York himself.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You know why they are so touchy about the whole
communist thing because we all know that there's some truth
to it. If it were absurd, if it weren't really
something that bothered them, then they wouldn't always so No,
it's a democratic socialist. He's a democratic socialist. You know,

(50:35):
there was the American I guess it still exists, but
it's kind of a joke now. But the American Communist
Party grew and in the nineteen forties, I think it
was basically about one hundred thousand people. You know what happened.
They all became Democrats. You know what happened to the
communist movement in America got folded into the Democrat Party.
That's a whole other thing. That's a whole other thing.

(50:58):
And there are some great books on this stuff you
can read. Why do they hate Nixon so much? They
really hate Nixon so much because he was a staunch
anti communist and he worked to expose that. There are
a lot of Democrats who were willing to play footsie
with communists back in the day. But I digress on
that one. I digress. Look, I think Trump will be
as I said before, he will be himself. He'll be charming,

(51:21):
and funny to mom, Donnie, he'll probably be some great lines.
And what was the thing? What did Trump say to
the And I don't even know who he said it to,
so I, but he was on Air Force one and
some reporter interrupted them and he said, quiet piggy. And
the thing about this is it's just the Democrats get

(51:44):
they get so upset about it. They're gonna get so
angry about it, and it just encourages them to do
more stuff like that. Like they're not going to make
Trump stop being Trump. They can try, they can try
to shame his supporters. It's not gonna work. Yeah, I'd
never see that. Can you guys pull that? I don't
know I've ever it's heard it? Do we have it?

(52:05):
Trump's saying, quiet piggy. I hope it's not a I.
I don't think it was AI. I'm so And now
I have to worry about any clip that I see.
This is the world we're in, my friends. There's stuff
that it can look very real. They have programs now
that can make Trump look like he said things close

(52:28):
to what he said but changed the words a little bit.
This is the world that we are in right now.
So that's why I'm always like, oh gosh, I hope
it's not Ai, but I'm pretty sure he's I'm pretty
sure he said this one, just like I was sure
that he was meaning Mom Donnie tomorrow and he ish
the Mam Donnie disaster in New York I think is inevitable.
I hope it's not for New York's sake, uh and

(52:50):
for my family that are there. But I think the
Mam Donnie situation is likely to get really get really bad,
really bad. We'll see. And Caroline Levitt also gone into
an exchange with a reporter about that military PSA.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Can mean.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Is it really even a PSA? It's just kind of
an underhanded attack. But here sheesus cut twenty nine. Listen
to it.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
The President and the Vice President, for that matter, have
accused the other side of encouraging political violence. Isn't that
exactly what the President is doing when he says that
members of Congress should be killed?

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Why aren't you talking about what these members of Congress
are doing to encourage it? In cite violence, they are
literally saying to one point three million active duty service
members not to defy the chain of command, not to
follow lawful orders. Every single illegal order, which is they are,
but they're they're suggesting, Nancy that the President has given

(53:48):
illegal orders, which he has not. Every single order that
is given to this United States Military by this Commander
in chief and through this command chain of command, through
the Secretary of War is lawful. And the courts have
proven that this administration has an unparalleled record at the
Supreme Court because we are following the laws. We don't
defy court orders. We do things by the books. And

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to suggest and encourage that active duty service members defy
the chain of command is a very dangerous thing for
sitting members of Congress to do, and they should be
held accountable. And that's what the President wants to see.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
She's not messing around. And I think just based on
the number of you who are veterans yourselves or even
active duty, but veterans who have written in very unhappy
with this PSA. It's meant to be. It's meant to
undermine the commander in chief. Let's just be honest. It's
meant to undermine the commander in chief. That is what

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they are doing, and it just goes with everything else.
They have to tell stories fables to themselves to justify
their Trump derangement. And that's yet another example of it.
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