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But like to welcome to the program. Jim Garrity from
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National Review Online has a blog called The Carry Spot
t K s uh. Just a brilliant body of work
during the campaign of two thousand four, cited often by me,
not stolen by me, but cited often by me on
this program. Jim has a book out called Voting to
Kill but not since September nineteenth, and he went out,
has gone out, and the interviewed a number of Americans
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about the issues on their mind as the mid term
elections come up in November. Jim, welcome. It's great to
have you here with us Rush some very long awaited
mega diddos. Thanks so much for having me up you bet, Jim. Now,
I want to start off by telling you a little
story because uh, and let me ask. I don't want
to I don't be wrong in my in my presumption,
but but the the focal point of the of the
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book is that the people you've talked to do take
seriously the threat posed by terrorists around the world. Whatever
you want to call him, Islamo fascist, the war on
terts a serious thing to them. Correct. Okay, So I'm
up in New York over a weekend and I went
to a dinner party Saturday night at a friend's house
which is in plain view of West Point, and a
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bunch of people looking out across the Hudson River at
West Point, and one of them made mentioned, you know,
this is the birthplace of the American Revolution. And I
wonder how many people today even think about the American Revolution.
How many people are taught the American Revolution. And it
was until Dolly Madison had to run out of a
burning White House with a picture of George Washington that
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the American people back then got serious about the threat
posed by the continual presence of the Britties. The British
had burned down the White House, and that finally got
the American people all upset. History textbooks today say the
American Revolution began when Bill Clinton was elected. And so
the question, the question came up at dinner is is
America finished? You think enough people care? And one of
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the one of the guests that I believe in the
total resiliency the American The American people fully aware of
the threat that we face, and they will respond to
leadership when that leadership tells I'm in a convincing way
that the threat that we faced and I raised my
hand said, well, when when are they When are they
going to respond to say, what was nine eleven? If
it was not a wake up call? So what what's
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your take on this? After having spoken to a number
of Americans? Is there a when you think a majority
of them that are going to vote, that are well
aware and prepared to vote on this as an issue?
Rush We used to hear about the silent majority, and
I think what I would call these folks? Are they
not vocal plurality? Uh, there are a lot of folks who, Yeah,
the day by day they don't necessarily think of these things.
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You hear about high gas prices or some other issue
that's in the news, and then you get something like
that foiled plot to bomb the London airliners, or the
bombing plots that were in Denmark and Germany and all
these other places around the world, and all of a
sudden people wake up to it and they realize, oh,
my goodness, this is we are in a life and
death struggle. Um, do I have time to share the
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anecdote of the security moms in my book? Right? Um?
They sickly the tiny of the attacks on the morning
of nine eleven, For many parents came after they had
dropped their children off to school and either they're on
their way home or they just arrived home. They turned
on the TV. They see something is terribly wrong. Uh,
and then they realize that I've got to get to
my kids. They've got to make sure that they're safe.
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And they faced this sudden, terrible decision of having more
than one child at more than one school, and they
many of them described it as feeling like a gun
had been put to their heads, saying which child do
you pick up first? Which child to make sure is
safe first? And this to them was probably for many
of the most traumatic moment of their lives, something absolutely horrific.
That all they want in a leader is someone who
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will make sure they never face that moment again, that
sort of choice again. Well, I guess that's questions that
sentiments still prevail. I saw Washington Post pole or story.
I think it was by Jim Van Derhey, but I'm
not I'm not sure that he was the writer. But
the headline says Republicans losing security moms, and it was
about a poll. If you read the whole story, it
did indicate that Republicans were losing this important trust to
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security moms, but that the Democrats weren't picking it up. Uh,
and it was that was a problem from the Washington Post.
But what is the emotion of these security moms. You've
just described the same today as it was in the
days after nine eleven. I think so um. I remember
the carry spot coverage. I had a mentor named Obi
wan Kenobi use that because I didn't want it. He
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didn't want his name out there. But he basically says
that once you go into the voting booths, all of
the attack ads, all of the screaming headlines, all of
the shouting back and forth goes away. It's almost like
the whole room goes silent and it's just you and
your ballot. And he described it as an almost sacred experience,
and all of a sudden, it takes away all of
the riff raffle, all of the other distracting messages out there,
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and you look seriously at the two names on the
ballot in front of you, and you've get to think
more seriously about what that choice signifies, and that, you
know what, it is a pretty rare experience in human
history to get the right to choose your leaders. It's
Americans do take that seriously, and so you know, they
may not have the same seriousness when they're talking to
a polster on the phone or even talking to and
then I, um, but I think Americans do basically take
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this extraordinarily seriously once you get all the distractions out
of the way, something like say, Congressman Fully, well, let
me let me bring that up. By the way, if
you're just joining us talking with Jim Garretty, his book
is Voting to Kill and he is a blogger the
Terry spot at National Review Online, which is one of
this program's favorite websites and blog sites. Um. The the
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the the folly episode has now had uh, you know,
full throated treatment ever since Fully resigned on Thursday, after
whiles actually since the emails were uh leaked and their
existence known since I guess Thursday Friday morning, what have you? Uh.
The the impression is that this is the issue now,
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the Republican corruption culture. Corruption is back, George Allen, Tom delay,
Janine Pierro up in New York is a nationally known story,
and now this folly business. And it does appear the
Democrats have once again lost their footing on their opposition
to the war on terror and Iraq, and now they're
rallying around this folly thing. Um. And I wondered how
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you felt about it, since your book is basically supporting
the premise that the war on terror and the threat
America faces the issue on which people to vote, going
to vote? Does this change that? Um? These starts of
issues come along every now and then, Uh, you know, scandals.
We we saw them believing that the Abramov scandal was
going to absolutely be the issue that decided this year's elections,
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and yeah, where is that? It's nowhere? My My first
instinct is that this might be the second coming of
the Wellstone funeral um, which I'm sure you remember from
two thousand two. Was this, you know, an event that
Republicans attended and everyone wanted to, whether they agreed with
Paul Wellston or not, pay their respects and and you know,
pay tribute to a guy who, even if you didn't
agree with them, seemed like a very decent guy. And
it turned into a partisan pep rally um. And I
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think that eagerness to score political points. We're seeing it
a bit in the coverage so far. And I could
see this if the Democrats are not careful. They will
echo that's exact same sentiment of cticizing, what is it?
It's hard a tragedy that you know knows no no
partisan lines. I mean, this is just a terrible thing
to happen in this poor kid's life. And now they're
going to, you know, refocus the entire Democratic campaign for
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two thousands six over this, you know, I mean honestly, well,
I know, I don't think I think there's gonna be
more of this kind of stuff. I think the Clinton
war room is in full speed, and I think there's
a whole host of these things they're holding, uh to
release in a timely fashion, i e. Press leaks or
bombshell stories, not just about sex scandals and so forth.
But you know, Jim, the one thing about this this
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this when you compare it to the Wellstone memorial, understand
it in the sense of Democrats really overplayed it. Uh
Wellstone's death of tragedy. But this is pedophilia. There are
a lot of people who just they have no patience tolerance.
They don't want to be made to try to understand
anything about it. Uh, they don't want to be bought
off with trips to rehab. This is pedophilia, and there's
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some people who fear it's gonna have legs because of that. Oh,
there's no way that every Republican should be saying they'd
like to, you know, beat this guy with their own
bare hands. I mean, there's no doubt that, you know,
no one should make any effort to defend this guy,
but you know, to say that this is some sort
of issue that I have my doubts that people when
they look at their congressmen and the challenger in front
of them, and their Senate race, their governor's race, I
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have my doubts that this is what it's going to
be on their minds, because ultimately, this is one guy
and as far as we know one page. Maybe there
are some others, but this is, you know, this is
not necessarily the grand issue of the republic that was
going to affect every single person on the level of
terrorism is So I would I would assume you would
then believe that the Democrats are making a mistake by
not giving voters something about them to vote for on
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whatever the issue is. They still are not doing that.
They're still trying to run on the basis that Republicans
are scumb and you can't trust them and put us
back in power because it's ours and we deserve it.
But in terms of UH, the issue of terrorism, I
would assume, if your theory is correct, that you would
have to believe that they're actually hurting themselves with their
position on a rock and Jack Murtha cut run the
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president fighting back on it. You think this will prevail
an election day? Absolutely, And what's interesting, well, we will see.
But we saw a very similar dynamic in two thousand
four where Carrie was pulling on certain issues very well.
Everyone liked his plans to give us all free healthcare
and you know, I'm going to spend more money on this.
I'm gonna spend more money on that. Uh. And nearly
across the board he was doing fine except for this big,
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glaring weakness on the issue of terrorism that you know,
Bush was beating him like a drum on this. And
the lesson of two thousand four, or even to a
certain extent, two thousand two, is if voters don't think
you can handle protecting the country, they don't care what
you have to say about prescription drugs or healthcare or
any of these others issues which you know they can
be important, but no issue is more important than who's
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going to keep me safe. Who's going to make sure that,
you know, somebody doesn't plow and it's scott An airline
or into my skyscraper. There could be a lot of
people comforted by this, and I'm one of them. I
have to tell you that I'm uh not as confident
as you are that the nine level was five years ago.
We don't even show videotape of it anymore. We never
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are allowed to see the suicide jumps from either of
the two towers. Those are suppressed. It's too soon. We
can't deal with it emotionally. The Democrats have tried to
paint a picture that it was, you know, just an
episodic event, not part of any systematic effort on a
part of people that want to kill us, not just
a battle in a war. It was just we kind
of screwed up. But these things happen now and then
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there not much we can do about it. We need
to go back to having our normal lifestyle. They're trying
to do their best to a race from people's memory
that had happened. In the meantime, we have not been
hit since uh Madrid has London has foiled a plot
among the airliners. As you pointed up, we haven't been hit.
And the theory that some people have is that we've
just started getting a false sense of complacency about our
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security and if that transfers into people voting differently than
on security, it'll have a negative outcomes. So people are
gonna be comforted to hear your theory on this. I think, well,
you know, it's one of those things where even if
they don't have the images on the television's, they don't
go out of our heads. You know that that's something
that you know, even if if I never saw a
picture of it or video of it for the rest
of my life, I'm never going to forget it. And
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I think a lot of voters are that same way. Plus,
you know, we saw the ratings for that past mental
nine eleven movie that you actually want it's time slot
one of the nights and did very well the other night.
There's an interest in this, and the more that the
Democrats and certain elites in the media say, oh, we
shouldn't talk about this, this is something that's uh, too emotional,
it stirs up too many bad memories, it's too soon.
People notice that and I think people kind of resent it.
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They resent being treated like children, and they resent being
talked down to of what they can and can't handle.
Certainly they didn't have their problem with pictures of Abu
Grabe or you know, uh, the the picture of the
Virgin Mary with dung on it and all these other
horrific images, but we're not allowed to see the one
that will make us as Americans angry. I mean, people
know the score on this, so it's safe to assume
that your your your opinion or your thoughts on the
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what I call the drive by media's effort to shift
public opinion on all this is ultimately going to fail.
Abu grab Club getting all all these things designed to
portray America and its worst, the al Qaeda Bill of Rights.
We've got to give these people lawyers and trials that
that's actually infuriating more people than anybody gives credit to.
If I were in charge of the r n C,
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and sadly I am not, I would be running the
footage of Senator Dick Durman, of Senator Democratic of Illinois
comparing US troops in Guantana obey to Nazis seven. Just
remind these people what they think of our armed forces,
what do they think of our efforts in the war
on terror? And how they see us as the bad
guys because you know, every American, even a whole lot
of conservative Democrats, a lot of Joe Lieberman Democrats out there. No,
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we're not the bad guys in this, you know, even
and and their attitude towards our guys in guantanam Obey
and our guys fighting the war on Terrell around the
world is do what you gotta do. We trust you,
we know you're not bad guys. You just you know,
life requires you to make some difficult choices and do
some tough things, and you know we're fine with that.
Do what you have to keep us safe. I think
is the overwhelming mentality of so many Americans. True, Jim,
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you know something. Uh, I'm inclined to adopt your belief
and be confident about it for for a host of reasons,
but one main one, and that is you've got a
book coming out. It's out, it's election time on the
premise of how people are going to vote. If you're wrong,
you're gonna have a lot of trouble selling your next book. November,
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So well, best of luck with it, and thanks for
your time today. This is um I'm glad that you
were you had some time, because I don't think the
American people can hear enough, especially in these times, positive
thinking and confidence about themselves. You've obviously talked to them,
researched it enough to write a book. You're ultimately expressing
confidence in the seriousness of the American people, and I
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think they need to hear that about themselves. UM. So
I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Jim, you've got
Jim Garritty. The book is Voting to Kill and it's
uh by a man who has got a great piece.
It survived the two four two four elections. By the way,
that Carry spot t k s. As I say, this
piece was, this blog was just a front of information,
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humor and serious combined about the absolute foibles of the
of the Carry campaign and the man. So this is
a good read. It's a good book. Happy to recommend
it until you