April 21, 2025 • 9 mins
We put a bow on our Mavs conversation throughout the day, and try to answer some questions that have stemmed from the multiple articles that dropped today. I’m not sure this segment will give you satisfaction as a Mavs fan, but it’s at least a pretty good insight into why some of these things are happening in the organization.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the been in Scan show ninety seven point one
The Eagle. Thank you for hanging out with us today. Now, Uh,
you know, today has been a weird day because a
big article came out and then there was a press
conference and it was all MAV related and so really
all throughout the show we've been balancing around from the
articles about the end of the season and the press
(00:22):
conference with Nico, Harrison and Kat You've gone in there
and chopped up a lot of this audience. So we're
going to end the show today with our final thoughts
on all this, any of the audio that we haven't
hit yet that people need.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I thought this was a very pointed question. Why are
you betting against Luca?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it is more about Adie than than you know.
I'm not going to bet against uh Luca or speak
negatively towards him. He's not here anymore. But it's the
belief that I have and the guys that are in
this locker room.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I mean, the question was kind of off mic I
didn't leave it in there.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It was one that was that well with Noah, he
had a series of questions Yeah yet Yeah, he had
a series of questions and then he continued on off Mike,
can I hear that one more time?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, it is more about Adie than than you know.
I'm not going to bet against uh Luca or speak
negatively towards him. He's not here anymore. But it's the
belief that I have and the guys that are in
this locker room.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, the question was, you know, betting against Luca to
win a championship.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, and we kind of talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Ben. It's like, you can't you know, he he can
get fine if he if he went out there and
then went on this diet tribe about how Luca can
never win a championship. He's talking about a player that's
not on his team anymore. Yeah, he can't talk about him.
But man, I just worry that Nico's stuck in good
old day syndrome because you know, he came up around
Kobe and you know the players like this and players
(01:47):
that he's familiar with. People want their own people.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Right, their own guys, their own guys.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know, it's the idea of Nolan Ryan wanted his
own guy, didn't want John Davies wanted his own guy.
People want their own people that they worked with that,
they're familiar with their jobs on the line. That's what
it just it's hard for us to fathom because no
one can make sense of it.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
He just wanted a D.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
He wanted a D and he wanted Kyrie, and he
goes back with those guys and believes he can win
with those guys. And you know, again, you know I
said this earlier. You know, we talk about it's up
to the ownership group, if it's a group or in
the case of Cuban, if it's a person. They're the
ones that are the stewards of the franchise, right, and
(02:27):
so it's really not up to Nico to think about
the team in five years. He's in a position where
he gets replaced. He's thinking about himself and what is
best for himself, which is what coaches do, which is
what It's up to the ownership group to think about
the long term benefit or damage to the team. And
they were too new to know any better. It might
(02:49):
as well be a cricket team. They're too new to know,
and it just so happened the infrastructure was set up
where there were no checks and balances. They don't know anything.
They're just saying we trust Nico man. We just got
to the finals. We trust this guy. Wait what And
by the way, that recreation that Ben just did is
brought to you by Rollertown Beer Works. That's the brewery
(03:11):
that Ben and I are partners in up there in Solina, Texas.
And we should let you know that we had a
very successful sumo crawl.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know, tomorrow, can we talk about the sumo crawl.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, we'll talk about it tomorrow, but we should let
everyone know that there is live, free sumo wrestling at
Rollertown and Solana all day and night on Saturday. It'll
be from about ten am to about seven pm or
around that. So come watch actual sumo wrestling on Saturday,
and then an incredible after party that includes sumo karaoke.
And then let me just say, on Friday, the Ben
(03:43):
and Skin show will be at Rollertown Beer Works. We're
going to be doing the show there and then afterwards
we're gonna have the sumo team draft and it is
really it's gonna be a scene.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So yeah, so this.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Friday, we're doing the show at Rollertown Beer Works and
the Sumo draft immediately following, So join us out there
three six on Friday and stick around for the party afterwards.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, back to you, No, it looked like.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A fun time. I think we had some roller town
on the fridge here work.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I wanted to do this one because Tim McMahon's article
discussed in great detail the Mavericks medical staff situation. There
is some names of guys I really had never heard
of because you know, but I'm sure you knew a
lot of them. You got the football player, the old
football guy Belton, I do know him well.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
The other guy, Bill Billsborough.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I do not know that guy.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's a lot of I've I've never met that guy,
and I was unaware of him until very recently. But
that's okay, dude. I don't travel with the team. I
very rarely. And when I do travel with the team,
I'm not on the team plane. So there's a lot
of stuff that I'm not privy to. So that yeah,
but again, that was the name I had not even heard.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Again, if you haven't because you had to go to
work this morning and you've been working all day, and
I get but if you want to, you know, tonight,
pull out your phone or whatever. Read the Tim McMahon article.
There is a point and that discusses the new medical
staff over the past couple of years, Luca and having
his own uh you know, training guys as well. And
(05:14):
Mac Ingle asked a question at the press conference today.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I thought this was a good question, and I want.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
To play quite a bit of speculation that one of
the reasons that you made the trade was that you
guys just couldn't get along. He saw things and his
team saw things things going to do it this way,
and you wanted him to do it that way? True
or not?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, you know, I worked at Nike for twenty years
and there's there's like superstars they have, they have teams
around them and you have to cater to them and
that's part of the job and they've earned it. So
I don't worry about getting along with people. I can
work with anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
By the way, I thought Mac was good with his questions.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Always good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Max Straw too, and Mac made Nico laugh when he said,
are you having fun too?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, look, it's obvious Luca
is a mega star. He had his own training team,
very much like other like Tom Brady, Anthony Davis does, right,
Kyrie Irving, and you know he's basically immediately starts talking
about dealing with the team, not getting along with the player.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
He's like, yeah, I'm used to you know, superstars have
their own teams. You gotta work with those teams. You
got to cater to them.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And he knows that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And by the way, he's been a part of that, right,
Like that includes Nike. Yeah, you know, so he understands
that that landscape.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Okay, now this is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know anything about I'm just reading this from
typic Man's article today. According to more than ten team sources,
there was a situation where Bills, Burrow, and Belton got
into a heated confrontation Okay McGann in the trainer's room
at the practice facility and then continued into the weight room. Guy,
I'm just magining it in my head. It sounds awesome.
(06:59):
Harrison not reply to a question about the incident or
several others regarding the Health and Performance Group.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
By the way, in Cato's article, he said that there
was footage of that and that human resources had to
get involved.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Wow. Oh yeah, like security camera footage.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I apparently those two guys shared an office space or something,
and so those guys were on opposite teams health teams.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
They're both working for the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Mavericks, and they're just button heads.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
They don't agree, and they're currently both there.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, oh okay, now this is a confusing part of
the article. On November twenty ninth, the day before the
fifth and final game, he set out this is when
Luca had the wrist injury. That was really a get
in shape type thing. A television in the media room
at the mass practice facility was tuned into a close
circuit feed of Daunchet scrimmaging with low minute players and
staffers launching long jumpers on almost every offensive possession. When
(07:54):
a team employee noticed the feed, they changed the channel quickly,
saying they were unsure how it became available. The feed
has not been shown in the media room since a
lot of people are asking questions about that.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, going, what's what's the point is.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The idea that they were Why is it Matt like
they were watching him practice like that?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
My my takeaway from that is the way that Tim
portrayed that is that it wasn't a particularly good look
that Luke is just out there just chunking up shot
playing half assed that. That's that's my perception of how
he wrote that, And so it's like, this is not
good for media to watch. I will change the channel. Okay,
that's my perception of what the rehab. Seriously, Tim would
(08:35):
have to speak on that. That's how I read it.
But I could be way off basic.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's been That's been one sticking point of this article.
I've seen a lot of people go, oh, what is
this about? So yeah, it's I think.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Within the greater context too, where Tim was painting a
picture that the team wanted him to rehab one way
and his side wanted him to rehab another way. Because
the way that the article has written, narrative wise, they
wanted him on that trip, they refused to be on
that trip, and he got traded while they were on
that trip. But yeah, yeah, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
(09:10):
I guess it's all part of a greater narrative. Yeah,
I've choose to believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Sure, sure, sure, sure, Well I think that's it for today.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm sure there'll be more tomorrow because there's always new stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
There is always new stuff, and I actually can't wait
to talk about Sumo tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yes, that was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
All right, thank you for hanging out with us today.
We will be back tomorrow. We'll talk a little sumo,
we'll talk a lot more until then. Stick around more
music right here on ninety some one point one The
Eagle
It's the been in Scan show ninety seven point one
The Eagle. Thank you for hanging out with us today. Now, Uh,
you know, today has been a weird day because a
big article came out and then there was a press
conference and it was all MAV related and so really
all throughout the show we've been balancing around from the
articles about the end of the season and the press
(00:22):
conference with Nico, Harrison and Kat You've gone in there
and chopped up a lot of this audience. So we're
going to end the show today with our final thoughts
on all this, any of the audio that we haven't
hit yet that people need.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I thought this was a very pointed question. Why are
you betting against Luca?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it is more about Adie than than you know.
I'm not going to bet against uh Luca or speak
negatively towards him. He's not here anymore. But it's the
belief that I have and the guys that are in
this locker room.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I mean, the question was kind of off mic I
didn't leave it in there.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
It was one that was that well with Noah, he
had a series of questions Yeah yet Yeah, he had
a series of questions and then he continued on off Mike,
can I hear that one more time?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, it is more about Adie than than you know.
I'm not going to bet against uh Luca or speak
negatively towards him. He's not here anymore. But it's the
belief that I have and the guys that are in
this locker room.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, the question was, you know, betting against Luca to
win a championship.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, and we kind of talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Ben. It's like, you can't you know, he he can
get fine if he if he went out there and
then went on this diet tribe about how Luca can
never win a championship. He's talking about a player that's
not on his team anymore. Yeah, he can't talk about him.
But man, I just worry that Nico's stuck in good
old day syndrome because you know, he came up around
Kobe and you know the players like this and players
(01:47):
that he's familiar with. People want their own people.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Right, their own guys, their own guys.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know, it's the idea of Nolan Ryan wanted his
own guy, didn't want John Davies wanted his own guy.
People want their own people that they worked with that,
they're familiar with their jobs on the line. That's what
it just it's hard for us to fathom because no
one can make sense of it.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
He just wanted a D.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
He wanted a D and he wanted Kyrie, and he
goes back with those guys and believes he can win
with those guys. And you know, again, you know I
said this earlier. You know, we talk about it's up
to the ownership group, if it's a group or in
the case of Cuban, if it's a person. They're the
ones that are the stewards of the franchise, right, and
(02:27):
so it's really not up to Nico to think about
the team in five years. He's in a position where
he gets replaced. He's thinking about himself and what is
best for himself, which is what coaches do, which is
what It's up to the ownership group to think about
the long term benefit or damage to the team. And
they were too new to know any better. It might
(02:49):
as well be a cricket team. They're too new to know,
and it just so happened the infrastructure was set up
where there were no checks and balances. They don't know anything.
They're just saying we trust Nico man. We just got
to the finals. We trust this guy. Wait what And
by the way, that recreation that Ben just did is
brought to you by Rollertown Beer Works. That's the brewery
(03:11):
that Ben and I are partners in up there in Solina, Texas.
And we should let you know that we had a
very successful sumo crawl.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know, tomorrow, can we talk about the sumo crawl.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, we'll talk about it tomorrow, but we should let
everyone know that there is live, free sumo wrestling at
Rollertown and Solana all day and night on Saturday. It'll
be from about ten am to about seven pm or
around that. So come watch actual sumo wrestling on Saturday,
and then an incredible after party that includes sumo karaoke.
And then let me just say, on Friday, the Ben
(03:43):
and Skin show will be at Rollertown Beer Works. We're
going to be doing the show there and then afterwards
we're gonna have the sumo team draft and it is
really it's gonna be a scene.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So yeah, so this.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Friday, we're doing the show at Rollertown Beer Works and
the Sumo draft immediately following, So join us out there
three six on Friday and stick around for the party afterwards.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, back to you, No, it looked like.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A fun time. I think we had some roller town
on the fridge here work.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I wanted to do this one because Tim McMahon's article
discussed in great detail the Mavericks medical staff situation. There
is some names of guys I really had never heard
of because you know, but I'm sure you knew a
lot of them. You got the football player, the old
football guy Belton, I do know him well.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
The other guy, Bill Billsborough.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I do not know that guy.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's a lot of I've I've never met that guy,
and I was unaware of him until very recently. But
that's okay, dude. I don't travel with the team. I
very rarely. And when I do travel with the team,
I'm not on the team plane. So there's a lot
of stuff that I'm not privy to. So that yeah,
but again, that was the name I had not even heard.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Again, if you haven't because you had to go to
work this morning and you've been working all day, and
I get but if you want to, you know, tonight,
pull out your phone or whatever. Read the Tim McMahon article.
There is a point and that discusses the new medical
staff over the past couple of years, Luca and having
his own uh you know, training guys as well. And
(05:14):
Mac Ingle asked a question at the press conference today.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I thought this was a good question, and I want.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
To play quite a bit of speculation that one of
the reasons that you made the trade was that you
guys just couldn't get along. He saw things and his
team saw things things going to do it this way,
and you wanted him to do it that way? True
or not?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No, you know, I worked at Nike for twenty years
and there's there's like superstars they have, they have teams
around them and you have to cater to them and
that's part of the job and they've earned it. So
I don't worry about getting along with people. I can
work with anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
By the way, I thought Mac was good with his questions.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Always good.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Max Straw too, and Mac made Nico laugh when he said,
are you having fun too?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, look, it's obvious Luca
is a mega star. He had his own training team,
very much like other like Tom Brady, Anthony Davis does, right,
Kyrie Irving, and you know he's basically immediately starts talking
about dealing with the team, not getting along with the player.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
He's like, yeah, I'm used to you know, superstars have
their own teams. You gotta work with those teams. You
got to cater to them.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And he knows that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And by the way, he's been a part of that, right,
Like that includes Nike. Yeah, you know, so he understands
that that landscape.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Okay, now this is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know anything about I'm just reading this from
typic Man's article today. According to more than ten team sources,
there was a situation where Bills, Burrow, and Belton got
into a heated confrontation Okay McGann in the trainer's room
at the practice facility and then continued into the weight room. Guy,
I'm just magining it in my head. It sounds awesome.
(06:59):
Harrison not reply to a question about the incident or
several others regarding the Health and Performance Group.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
By the way, in Cato's article, he said that there
was footage of that and that human resources had to
get involved.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Wow. Oh yeah, like security camera footage.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I apparently those two guys shared an office space or something,
and so those guys were on opposite teams health teams.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
They're both working for the.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Mavericks, and they're just button heads.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
They don't agree, and they're currently both there.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yes, oh okay, now this is a confusing part of
the article. On November twenty ninth, the day before the
fifth and final game, he set out this is when
Luca had the wrist injury. That was really a get
in shape type thing. A television in the media room
at the mass practice facility was tuned into a close
circuit feed of Daunchet scrimmaging with low minute players and
staffers launching long jumpers on almost every offensive possession. When
(07:54):
a team employee noticed the feed, they changed the channel quickly,
saying they were unsure how it became available. The feed
has not been shown in the media room since a
lot of people are asking questions about that.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, going, what's what's the point is.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The idea that they were Why is it Matt like
they were watching him practice like that?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
My my takeaway from that is the way that Tim
portrayed that is that it wasn't a particularly good look
that Luke is just out there just chunking up shot
playing half assed that. That's that's my perception of how
he wrote that, And so it's like, this is not
good for media to watch. I will change the channel. Okay,
that's my perception of what the rehab. Seriously, Tim would
(08:35):
have to speak on that. That's how I read it.
But I could be way off basic.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's been That's been one sticking point of this article.
I've seen a lot of people go, oh, what is
this about? So yeah, it's I think.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Within the greater context too, where Tim was painting a
picture that the team wanted him to rehab one way
and his side wanted him to rehab another way. Because
the way that the article has written, narrative wise, they
wanted him on that trip, they refused to be on
that trip, and he got traded while they were on
that trip. But yeah, yeah, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
(09:10):
I guess it's all part of a greater narrative. Yeah,
I've choose to believe it.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Sure, sure, sure, sure, Well I think that's it for today.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm sure there'll be more tomorrow because there's always new stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
There is always new stuff, and I actually can't wait
to talk about Sumo tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yes, that was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
All right, thank you for hanging out with us today.
We will be back tomorrow. We'll talk a little sumo,
we'll talk a lot more until then. Stick around more
music right here on ninety some one point one The
Eagle
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