June 4, 2025 • 7 mins
“Do we plan our emotions—or do they just happen when something magical, like the #1 pick, falls into our lap?”In this emotionally charged and laugh-out-loud episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray take listeners on a rollercoaster of sports fandom, redemption, and burger-fueled joy.🔥 Key Themes & Moments:
- Ben’s Emotional Mavs Journey: After years of frustration and heartbreak over the Luka trade, Ben opens up about how the Mavericks landing the #1 pick—and the arrival of phenom Cooper Flagg—completely changed his outlook. “I didn’t plan on moving on. I didn’t know if I was gonna be a Mavs fan moving forward… but I have moved on.”
- The Butterfly Effect of Bad Trades: The crew debates whether Nico Harrison’s infamous Luka trade should define his legacy, or if his other savvy moves and lottery luck have earned him redemption. “It could be a terrible trade that has great results… there’s ripple effects, butterfly effects, whatever you want to call it.”
- Twisted Root Burger Love: The show introduces a new sponsor segment with Twisted Root Burger Company, featuring custom pickles, build-your-own burgers, and a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick of flavor. Mention the show and get 10% off!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we have a brand news segment sponsored. It's the
Twisted Root Burger Company and they have spent the last
six months revamping their menu and they are back at
it with delicious half pound burgers that are truly unique.
They have a whole build your own burger menu now
where you pick the protein and all the toppings. Hell,
they even have custom pickles that are dope. And on
(00:22):
top of that, if you go into any of the
Twisted Root Burger companies here in town, you're gonna be
able to mention the ben and Skin show and get
ten percent off. That's amazing and arguably this is the
best burger in the history of Dallas fort Worthy. It's good.
It's in the discussion, and you get to craft your
own burger. You get to be the shift.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, on top of that, man, they also have all
their old regular burgers on the menu as well. They
have amazing menu options and man, the only thing that
they care about more than burgers is a roundhouse kick
from Chuck Norris.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Go check them out all over the Metroplex, Carrollton, Copel,
Deep Bellamese, Plano, Bedford, Arlington, and Mansfield.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is the Twisted Root Burger Company.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now, Ben, you're talking about someone online giving you hell recently.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's friendly fire, but it's it's somebody was really disappointed
in me. And look, this has to do with Luca.
I don't know if you guys are seeing all the
pictures of Luca, he's like in the best shape.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Of his life.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I saw one where he was sitting on the baseline
at a game over there in Europe, and then of
course I saw him on the Mind of the Game podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Man, there's more and more coming out every day, and
he just looks great. And I'm just the only thing
that could have happened to get me over the Luca
hump happened. Mavericks have the number one pick in the
NBA Draft. It's just unprecedented. They have a young phenom
to build around for the next fifteen twenty years, which
is what hurt the most about the Luca things. So look,
(01:50):
they got lucky for this to happen, for this to
fall in their lap. But this is the only thing
that could have taken to get me over this, right yeah,
like right now, I don't know that I would trade
Uca straight up for Flag like flag is seven years
younger or whatever it is, six seven years whatever it is,
eight maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
How much crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So he's, well, he's about to turn nineteen. It's about
turn nineteen, and Lucas twenty six, twenty six, seven and
a half.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I mean it's it helped me get over it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I've been a MAVs fan my whole life, and so
yesterday I was just talking about it doesn't trigger me
like it did initially when I see Lucas stuff. I
don't get mad, I don't get upset or whatever. I've
moved on. Trust me, I didn't plan on moving on.
I didn't know if I was going to be a
mad fan moving forward. I had all those irrational thoughts.
I was really butt hurt. But I have moved on
and I'm super excited about the future. And so a
guy named Don Wood sent this on. It'spelled would like
(02:44):
Don Wood, don Wood, don Wood Reddit guy. Yeah, and
so this was good. It was just friendly fired, he
said Benjamin. I was stunned, a little hurt, betrayed even
to hear you've moved on. Maybe it's just semantics. I
think of it as having quote unquote accepted this new reality.
But moving on as a non starter as long as
he who shall not be named draws a paycheck from
(03:06):
the organization. I still support the team, the players, and
I'm excited to see what they can accomplish, but the
infection in the front office must be rooted out before
healing can even begin. Furthermore, we must be vigilant and
vocal that any future success does not reflect on that meglomaniac.
So basically, I know and I respect the take, and
(03:26):
you take it easy on me, but I'm just to
a different place where I've moved on.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I didn't plan on it. I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But I'm so excited about Cooper Flagg and this new
window that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Butt hurt about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And yeah, I think the Luca trades are the worst
trade I've ever seen ever in history.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But it's in the rear view mirror now.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean, it could be a terrible trade that has
great results. Like there's side effects of trades, there's ripple effects,
there's butterfly effect, whatever you want to call it. Like,
the simple fact of the matter is is there's the trade,
which we can talk about the merits of and then
there's the side effect of the trade brought in a guy,
and then there was all these injuries that put them
(04:08):
in a different position. Right, Like we're again we're talking
about everything that happens, and you can go back and
talk about the alternate universe.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
There's so much talk about, man, the Mavericks would have
totally won a championship this Year's like, really, how do
you know what would have happened in April?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, but there's the feeling that Niko has been bailed
out by luck in the lottery and then that, and
that's that's permeating, and I think that goes away when
someone experiences a good thing with Cooper Flag. Yeah, like
mass fans won't get that until October probably, Yeah, until
you've experienced something fun with him, it's gonna be real
hard for a lot of people to let it go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I agree, And we were talking about this the other day.
It's like, I think for most people, they'll realize it's
good again in February after football season's over, probably, right,
and they're gonna have missed all this great stuff already.
And again, the bottom line for me is, for one,
there's this really instant concept to I'd never thought about.
Is you were just you know, explaining all this. Do
people plan out their emotions?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like is that what we're doing here? Like I'm planning
when I'm going to be over this, right? And like
whatever emotions are generally a reaction to circumstances. Life happens
and you react to it and you emote. And this
getting the number one pick is like getting Shack or
Zion or whatever, you know, or it's very exciting to
(05:28):
get a player. It's it's it just doesn't happen. It
happened one other time. Or Okay, well let's think Mark
Aguire Troy Aikman when el like the number one pick
for your team. When else has that happened? Like that's
it's so stars, So what Madonna number one pick? But
I was in Minnesota at the time. It just doesn't
(05:48):
happen in my lifetime. It's happened two other times that
I can think of.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Uh huh, it's the most ridiculous thing that they got
this pick.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And dude, if you can't even pronounce the name of
the guy who is the number one pick last year, nah,
that plays for the Atlanta Hawks, Like you got it
in a year where he's a mazed where an amazing
player was available.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So it's exciting. So there's that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And the other thing is is I'm just I mean,
how often do people really think about the people in
the front office like you don't have I'm not saying
I'm not absolving Nico or whatever, but it's like, you know,
Nico made some really great trades, and he made that
trade that everyone universally hates. I think he's done great
(06:32):
with the draft. So there's an idea because he made
this horrible trade that he'll never do anything good in
the front office again.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh my god, we're screwed him, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, what about all this other good.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Stuff he did.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We live in a town where people hated John Daniels
took a team to championships. I get it, and Nico
should get credit for helping take them to a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He certainly used it to do the things he wanted
to do. Is he got more power? So I guess
for me, I get it if you want to hold out,
but you're probably gonna be missing the type of basketball
that made you a fan in the first place if
you choose not to watch this. I'm so excited. I
have a new lease on life. It's the one thing that,
like my son on vacation could tell if I was
(07:10):
ever getting stressed out or down or anything, he would
just bring up Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And also, yeah, I'm suddenly in a great mood. I
love it all right. Coming up next, KT, where are
you gonna take us?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In the news quickie, the emergency bill in Idaho that
everyone's talking about it and it does involve this
And we have a brand news segment sponsored. It's the
Twisted Root Burger Company and they have spent the last
six months revamping their menu and they are back at
it with delicious half pound burgers that are truly unique.
They have a whole build your own burger menu now
where you pick the protein and all the toppings. Hell,
they even have custom pickles that are dope. And on
(00:22):
top of that, if you go into any of the
Twisted Root Burger companies here in town, you're gonna be
able to mention the ben and Skin show and get
ten percent off. That's amazing and arguably this is the
best burger in the history of Dallas fort Worthy. It's good.
It's in the discussion, and you get to craft your
own burger. You get to be the shift.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, on top of that, man, they also have all
their old regular burgers on the menu as well. They
have amazing menu options and man, the only thing that
they care about more than burgers is a roundhouse kick
from Chuck Norris.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Go check them out all over the Metroplex, Carrollton, Copel,
Deep Bellamese, Plano, Bedford, Arlington, and Mansfield.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is the Twisted Root Burger Company.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now, Ben, you're talking about someone online giving you hell recently.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's friendly fire, but it's it's somebody was really disappointed
in me. And look, this has to do with Luca.
I don't know if you guys are seeing all the
pictures of Luca, he's like in the best shape.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Of his life.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I saw one where he was sitting on the baseline
at a game over there in Europe, and then of
course I saw him on the Mind of the Game podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Man, there's more and more coming out every day, and
he just looks great. And I'm just the only thing
that could have happened to get me over the Luca
hump happened. Mavericks have the number one pick in the
NBA Draft. It's just unprecedented. They have a young phenom
to build around for the next fifteen twenty years, which
is what hurt the most about the Luca things. So look,
(01:50):
they got lucky for this to happen, for this to
fall in their lap. But this is the only thing
that could have taken to get me over this, right yeah,
like right now, I don't know that I would trade
Uca straight up for Flag like flag is seven years
younger or whatever it is, six seven years whatever it is,
eight maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
How much crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So he's, well, he's about to turn nineteen. It's about
turn nineteen, and Lucas twenty six, twenty six, seven and
a half.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So I mean it's it helped me get over it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I've been a MAVs fan my whole life, and so
yesterday I was just talking about it doesn't trigger me
like it did initially when I see Lucas stuff. I
don't get mad, I don't get upset or whatever. I've
moved on. Trust me, I didn't plan on moving on.
I didn't know if I was going to be a
mad fan moving forward. I had all those irrational thoughts.
I was really butt hurt. But I have moved on
and I'm super excited about the future. And so a
guy named Don Wood sent this on. It'spelled would like
(02:44):
Don Wood, don Wood, don Wood Reddit guy. Yeah, and
so this was good. It was just friendly fired, he
said Benjamin. I was stunned, a little hurt, betrayed even
to hear you've moved on. Maybe it's just semantics. I
think of it as having quote unquote accepted this new reality.
But moving on as a non starter as long as
he who shall not be named draws a paycheck from
(03:06):
the organization. I still support the team, the players, and
I'm excited to see what they can accomplish, but the
infection in the front office must be rooted out before
healing can even begin. Furthermore, we must be vigilant and
vocal that any future success does not reflect on that meglomaniac.
So basically, I know and I respect the take, and
(03:26):
you take it easy on me, but I'm just to
a different place where I've moved on.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I didn't plan on it. I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But I'm so excited about Cooper Flagg and this new
window that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Butt hurt about it anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And yeah, I think the Luca trades are the worst
trade I've ever seen ever in history.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But it's in the rear view mirror now.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean, it could be a terrible trade that has
great results. Like there's side effects of trades, there's ripple effects,
there's butterfly effect, whatever you want to call it. Like,
the simple fact of the matter is is there's the trade,
which we can talk about the merits of and then
there's the side effect of the trade brought in a guy,
and then there was all these injuries that put them
(04:08):
in a different position. Right, Like we're again we're talking
about everything that happens, and you can go back and
talk about the alternate universe.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
There's so much talk about, man, the Mavericks would have
totally won a championship this Year's like, really, how do
you know what would have happened in April?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, but there's the feeling that Niko has been bailed
out by luck in the lottery and then that, and
that's that's permeating, and I think that goes away when
someone experiences a good thing with Cooper Flag. Yeah, like
mass fans won't get that until October probably, Yeah, until
you've experienced something fun with him, it's gonna be real
hard for a lot of people to let it go.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I agree, And we were talking about this the other day.
It's like, I think for most people, they'll realize it's
good again in February after football season's over, probably, right,
and they're gonna have missed all this great stuff already.
And again, the bottom line for me is, for one,
there's this really instant concept to I'd never thought about.
Is you were just you know, explaining all this. Do
people plan out their emotions?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like is that what we're doing here? Like I'm planning
when I'm going to be over this, right? And like
whatever emotions are generally a reaction to circumstances. Life happens
and you react to it and you emote. And this
getting the number one pick is like getting Shack or
Zion or whatever, you know, or it's very exciting to
(05:28):
get a player. It's it's it just doesn't happen. It
happened one other time. Or Okay, well let's think Mark
Aguire Troy Aikman when el like the number one pick
for your team. When else has that happened? Like that's
it's so stars, So what Madonna number one pick? But
I was in Minnesota at the time. It just doesn't
(05:48):
happen in my lifetime. It's happened two other times that
I can think of.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Uh huh, it's the most ridiculous thing that they got
this pick.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And dude, if you can't even pronounce the name of
the guy who is the number one pick last year, nah,
that plays for the Atlanta Hawks, Like you got it
in a year where he's a mazed where an amazing
player was available.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So it's exciting. So there's that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And the other thing is is I'm just I mean,
how often do people really think about the people in
the front office like you don't have I'm not saying
I'm not absolving Nico or whatever, but it's like, you know,
Nico made some really great trades, and he made that
trade that everyone universally hates. I think he's done great
(06:32):
with the draft. So there's an idea because he made
this horrible trade that he'll never do anything good in
the front office again.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh my god, we're screwed him, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, what about all this other good.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Stuff he did.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We live in a town where people hated John Daniels
took a team to championships. I get it, and Nico
should get credit for helping take them to a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He certainly used it to do the things he wanted
to do. Is he got more power? So I guess
for me, I get it if you want to hold out,
but you're probably gonna be missing the type of basketball
that made you a fan in the first place if
you choose not to watch this. I'm so excited. I
have a new lease on life. It's the one thing that,
like my son on vacation could tell if I was
(07:10):
ever getting stressed out or down or anything, he would
just bring up Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And also, yeah, I'm suddenly in a great mood. I
love it all right. Coming up next, KT, where are
you gonna take us?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In the news quickie, the emergency bill in Idaho that
everyone's talking about it and it does involve this
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