June 25, 2025 • 6 mins
The gang breaks down the Mavericks’ move to extend Daniel Gafford for $54.3 million—and what it really means. Is it a long-term commitment or a trade chip in disguise? Skin unpacks the CBA loophole that makes Gafford immediately trade-eligible, and raises the stakes: “They signed him at the exact most amount of money they could give him and still flip him in a trade immediately.”Gafford, Lively, PJ Washington Jr., and now Cooper Flagg—how deep is too deep? Could Gafford be flipped? Is Drew Holiday still in play? What about Chris Paul?As the crew gears up for live draft coverage at the AAC, they leave listeners with a cliffhanger: “Is this the team the Mavs are running back with—or just the beginning of something bigger?”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So Ben, we walk into a Twisted Root
Burger Company location around the Metroplex. You start building your
own burger because you can do that. Now, what are
you putting on that, hope? I'm going going with that
fat half pound patty? Oh yes, chef, that's right. I'm
going with a little mayonnaise, yes, chef, a little cheddar
oh yes, yeah, a little bacon yes, yet, little pickle
(00:21):
action yes yet? Make sure you better them buns. Ah girl.
Maybe a little avocado, yes, maybe a little cilantro yes.
Ya know what I'm saying. I can put whatever I
want it because I'm the chef. It's incredible what you
just did. Thank you, And I love the phrase a
little pickle action. You can get in on all of
that and go to any of the area Twisted Root
Burger companies mention Ben and Skin and get ten percent off.
(00:43):
How great is that? Keep it twisted, my friends. It's
the good folks over at the Twisted Root Burger Company
coming up at the bottom bottom of this hour, rather
KT has a world news quiz that we have to take.
But right now it's time for this. Now it's around
the sports o K tod quins as all the Sports. Yes. Yeah,
(01:10):
so tomorrow we'll have the NBA Draft, and the Mavericks
got ahead of it a little bit. They signed Daniel
Gafford to a three year contract extension somewhere between fifty
four and sixty million dollars. Do we ever get clarity
on what that actually ended up being. I think it's
the fifty four point three million based on the Stein
(01:30):
reports that that's and I've seen Bobby Marx, who's used
to work in the Brooklyn Nets front office and now
is like an ESPN capologist kind of guy, but he
confirmed that number that if you do an extension. So
usually when you sign a player to an extension, you
can't trade them for six months. But apparently, which this
is a part of the collective bargaining agreement, I didn't
(01:52):
know that fifty four point three million over three years
is a number where they're still immediately trade eligible. So
they sign him at the exact most amount of money
they could give him and still flip them in a
trade immediately. So if they so, they basically have the
option to do either. They either have some of the
best depth in the league. It's the center position, and god,
(02:13):
so many other bigs that they have with uh, you know,
Anthony Davis and Live, I mean Lively and you know
now Flag, I mean you're so deep at the four.
Yeah then but you know, you'll you have this big
front line or you know, maybe they maybe they want
that depth, or maybe they're going to wheel and deal,
(02:34):
you know, I don't know. I guess the only way
I would the only way, you know, is if the
MAVs had a press conference or he started speaking about
it right now, right because otherwise they could be this
could be a part of a bigger thing. Yeah, it
could be, And I think it just it gives them
a tremendous amount of options. One of the things that
so there were a lot of the reportings that the
Mavericks want to keep him and they want to be big,
(02:56):
and they think that's a benefit and an asset and
a strength and they want to lean in on that.
They couldn't do this same deal with PJ. Washington Junior
because quite frankly, he's worth more money. He's just a
more in demand style of player in the current NBA
and if he were to hit the open market then
he would make more than that. So I don't read
(03:18):
into this that it's any indication that, okay, they're gonna
move PJ. Washington Junior. Now, one of the things that
Brad Townsend of the Dallas Morian News road is that,
and I've I've heard this too, they're confident that they're
going to add point guard help and not have to
do some big trade. Because if you go out there
and you look, another thing that does time to the
Mavericks is y'all saw the reporting that they were interested
(03:39):
in Drew Holiday. That that was you know, confirmed by
multiple you know, plugged and sources. But he gets traded
to Portland. Now, the last time Portland traded for Drew Holliday,
they flipped him a week later. Do you guys remember
that whole story what happened there? Okay, So he was
part of the Damian Lillard to Milwaukee trade and he
(04:01):
got there and him and Chauncey Billups had a long
talk and he told Chauncey Billups men, I mean, I'm
he's He's well known in the league as like the
best teammate, the best guy, the sweetest guy, great friend,
awesome person, incredible father. Like he's just known around the
(04:22):
league as that guy everyone genuinely loves and respects Drew Holiday,
and so he got there and Chauncey was even telling him, hey, man,
I got traded from the Pistons after we won a championship,
Like I've been through this, I get it. And he's like, man,
I just want to be on a contender. So Billip's
listened to him and they facilitated a trade to Boston
(04:43):
a week later. So he got flipped for Damian Lillard
and then ironically enough, got traded to Boston and screwed
over Milwaukee. It's almost kind of like when remember when
Napoli got traded to Toronto and then traded back to
the Rangers within the division. So are you saying and
that it still could be alive? They could be he
could be a Maverick the I do. I do think that,
(05:05):
But I always thought it was going to be hard
for us to get Drew Holliday because he makes thirty
one dollars and he's dude, he's he's a really good player.
I would love to have him, but at that money,
he's thirty five or he had a pretty significant offensive
dip last year, like it's starting to go the other
His three point percentage dropped like seven points last year. Now,
(05:26):
you can have injuries and different things. But I was
saying all that to say that there is thought that
the Mavericks are gonna add. I mean, the Chris Paul
talk is still out there, whether that's valid or not.
But there's a chance that they can just add point
guard help to get them over the hump until Kyrie's
ready and they run it back with this team that
they wanted to run it back with, but they've added
(05:47):
Cooper Flag to it. So if you had to guess,
right now, do you think that the gaffer thing is
to stay? I do think that. I think so. I
also think they just made him way more valuable in
a trade, right because he's locked up now, Like if
you wanted him, if you're gonna give up, they can
get more assets for him now. Because he's locked up,
he's got this year than three years after that. He's
(06:08):
only twenty five now or something like that, twenty six
I think, is it twenty five? One of those twenty
five okay in this last season is maybe he's twenty six, okay,
but that's basically the prime years of his career. Absolutely
a reasonable number. Absolutely, Swartenstein just got more than that.
I think yeah, and I would argue that Hardenstein is
a better player, but you know, to your point, that's
and look what it did. It put Oklahoma City over
the top, like the Mavericks kick their ass on the glass.
(06:30):
So there's like, all right, let's go get the best
rebounder we can get. And then they won a championship
and man, there's a lot of fun stuff happening. And
we're going to be out there at the AAC tomorrow
doing our show from three to six. Mav Draft coverage
simulcast here on the Eagle after it, and of course
all your coverage right here is brought to you by
k Post Company, DFW's trusted name and roofing, waterproofing, and
(06:51):
solar solutions. All right. Coming up next it is a
world news quiz. How much does this dumb show know.
We'll figure it out.
All right, So Ben, we walk into a Twisted Root
Burger Company location around the Metroplex. You start building your
own burger because you can do that. Now, what are
you putting on that, hope? I'm going going with that
fat half pound patty? Oh yes, chef, that's right. I'm
going with a little mayonnaise, yes, chef, a little cheddar
oh yes, yeah, a little bacon yes, yet, little pickle
(00:21):
action yes yet? Make sure you better them buns. Ah girl.
Maybe a little avocado, yes, maybe a little cilantro yes.
Ya know what I'm saying. I can put whatever I
want it because I'm the chef. It's incredible what you
just did. Thank you, And I love the phrase a
little pickle action. You can get in on all of
that and go to any of the area Twisted Root
Burger companies mention Ben and Skin and get ten percent off.
(00:43):
How great is that? Keep it twisted, my friends. It's
the good folks over at the Twisted Root Burger Company
coming up at the bottom bottom of this hour, rather
KT has a world news quiz that we have to take.
But right now it's time for this. Now it's around
the sports o K tod quins as all the Sports. Yes. Yeah,
(01:10):
so tomorrow we'll have the NBA Draft, and the Mavericks
got ahead of it a little bit. They signed Daniel
Gafford to a three year contract extension somewhere between fifty
four and sixty million dollars. Do we ever get clarity
on what that actually ended up being. I think it's
the fifty four point three million based on the Stein
(01:30):
reports that that's and I've seen Bobby Marx, who's used
to work in the Brooklyn Nets front office and now
is like an ESPN capologist kind of guy, but he
confirmed that number that if you do an extension. So
usually when you sign a player to an extension, you
can't trade them for six months. But apparently, which this
is a part of the collective bargaining agreement, I didn't
(01:52):
know that fifty four point three million over three years
is a number where they're still immediately trade eligible. So
they sign him at the exact most amount of money
they could give him and still flip them in a
trade immediately. So if they so, they basically have the
option to do either. They either have some of the
best depth in the league. It's the center position, and god,
(02:13):
so many other bigs that they have with uh, you know,
Anthony Davis and Live, I mean Lively and you know
now Flag, I mean you're so deep at the four.
Yeah then but you know, you'll you have this big
front line or you know, maybe they maybe they want
that depth, or maybe they're going to wheel and deal,
(02:34):
you know, I don't know. I guess the only way
I would the only way, you know, is if the
MAVs had a press conference or he started speaking about
it right now, right because otherwise they could be this
could be a part of a bigger thing. Yeah, it
could be, And I think it just it gives them
a tremendous amount of options. One of the things that
so there were a lot of the reportings that the
Mavericks want to keep him and they want to be big,
(02:56):
and they think that's a benefit and an asset and
a strength and they want to lean in on that.
They couldn't do this same deal with PJ. Washington Junior
because quite frankly, he's worth more money. He's just a
more in demand style of player in the current NBA
and if he were to hit the open market then
he would make more than that. So I don't read
(03:18):
into this that it's any indication that, okay, they're gonna
move PJ. Washington Junior. Now, one of the things that
Brad Townsend of the Dallas Morian News road is that,
and I've I've heard this too, they're confident that they're
going to add point guard help and not have to
do some big trade. Because if you go out there
and you look, another thing that does time to the
Mavericks is y'all saw the reporting that they were interested
(03:39):
in Drew Holiday. That that was you know, confirmed by
multiple you know, plugged and sources. But he gets traded
to Portland. Now, the last time Portland traded for Drew Holliday,
they flipped him a week later. Do you guys remember
that whole story what happened there? Okay, So he was
part of the Damian Lillard to Milwaukee trade and he
(04:01):
got there and him and Chauncey Billups had a long
talk and he told Chauncey Billups men, I mean, I'm
he's He's well known in the league as like the
best teammate, the best guy, the sweetest guy, great friend,
awesome person, incredible father. Like he's just known around the
(04:22):
league as that guy everyone genuinely loves and respects Drew Holiday,
and so he got there and Chauncey was even telling him, hey, man,
I got traded from the Pistons after we won a championship,
Like I've been through this, I get it. And he's like, man,
I just want to be on a contender. So Billip's
listened to him and they facilitated a trade to Boston
(04:43):
a week later. So he got flipped for Damian Lillard
and then ironically enough, got traded to Boston and screwed
over Milwaukee. It's almost kind of like when remember when
Napoli got traded to Toronto and then traded back to
the Rangers within the division. So are you saying and
that it still could be alive? They could be he
could be a Maverick the I do. I do think that,
(05:05):
But I always thought it was going to be hard
for us to get Drew Holliday because he makes thirty
one dollars and he's dude, he's he's a really good player.
I would love to have him, but at that money,
he's thirty five or he had a pretty significant offensive
dip last year, like it's starting to go the other
His three point percentage dropped like seven points last year. Now,
(05:26):
you can have injuries and different things. But I was
saying all that to say that there is thought that
the Mavericks are gonna add. I mean, the Chris Paul
talk is still out there, whether that's valid or not.
But there's a chance that they can just add point
guard help to get them over the hump until Kyrie's
ready and they run it back with this team that
they wanted to run it back with, but they've added
(05:47):
Cooper Flag to it. So if you had to guess,
right now, do you think that the gaffer thing is
to stay? I do think that. I think so. I
also think they just made him way more valuable in
a trade, right because he's locked up now, Like if
you wanted him, if you're gonna give up, they can
get more assets for him now. Because he's locked up,
he's got this year than three years after that. He's
(06:08):
only twenty five now or something like that, twenty six
I think, is it twenty five? One of those twenty
five okay in this last season is maybe he's twenty six, okay,
but that's basically the prime years of his career. Absolutely
a reasonable number. Absolutely, Swartenstein just got more than that.
I think yeah, and I would argue that Hardenstein is
a better player, but you know, to your point, that's
and look what it did. It put Oklahoma City over
the top, like the Mavericks kick their ass on the glass.
(06:30):
So there's like, all right, let's go get the best
rebounder we can get. And then they won a championship
and man, there's a lot of fun stuff happening. And
we're going to be out there at the AAC tomorrow
doing our show from three to six. Mav Draft coverage
simulcast here on the Eagle after it, and of course
all your coverage right here is brought to you by
k Post Company, DFW's trusted name and roofing, waterproofing, and
(06:51):
solar solutions. All right. Coming up next it is a
world news quiz. How much does this dumb show know.
We'll figure it out.
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