November 20, 2025 • 8 mins
Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive into Dante Exum’s season-ending knee surgery to Mark Cuban’s headline-grabbing email, this episode is packed with insider drama, bold opinions, and classic Ben & Skin humor.
- The shocking roster move: Did the Mavericks waste a first-round pick on Omax Prosper just to make room for Exum—who never played and is now out for the season?
- Cuban stirs the pot: Why did Mark Cuban publicly declare, “We won’t trade for Anthony Davis”? Is he playing 4D chess or just loving the chaos?
- Behind-the-scenes intrigue: Who really knew about the rumored Luka trade? Was Jason Kidd in the loop—or left in the dark?
- Skin’s wrestling analogy: “Cuban loves this… he’s stirring the pot like a heel in the ring.”
Mark as Played
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Reach down and grab a couple of plump tomatoes. It's
time for sports ketchup catchup pun sports spots ketchup catchup puns.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We have got some developing MAVs news today. It looks
like Dante ExHAM is going to be out for the
season with a niece surgery.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I don't understand this at all. Like, didn't they cut
a first round pick to make room for Dante Exam?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They did.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He has not played all year, right, that he has not,
and now he's out for the rest of the year.
It's tough. They they cut a first round pick. What
was the name, Olivier, it's.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Prosper.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
They cut Omax Prosper to bring back a guy who
has not been able to play and now will not
play for the whole year.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So you wasted a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Like we talk about the Luca trade being the worst
trade in the history of humanity, but dude, there's quite
a few other questionable moves that Nico made and now
the MAVs are saddled with those things. But this is
one where you have a first round pick, you're developing him,
he might have some upside, and you just give up
on him for nothing. Yeah, I think it's like, you know,
(01:18):
giving up on Omax. He's currently a two way guy
in Memphis and he did not develop. Doesn't mean he's
done right, and I love his He played very hard
and he was good defensively in all these things, but
it's not like he's you know. But the whole point being,
how can you not be more on top of the
health of the player that you're going through all of
(01:40):
this maneuvering for, especially when it's a player that you
had in your organization for two years and so you're
already pretty aware of his injury history.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So it's very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But you could tell, man, the last couple of weeks
when people would ask Jay Kid about Dante him, you
would just see all the energy leave Kid's body. He
was he was not feeling great about it, man, So
and it really sucks because this team could have desperately
used Dante xim in what he does right right, Look,
(02:17):
I'm dog Pilon, I'm overreacting. It's o max Is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's not the end of the world to lose Omax,
but it's but.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
It is an example of poor management of asking.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Give the guy a physical or something. But look, they
you know, they needed Dante ExHAM. I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, and it's not the end of the world, but
you know, it's frustrating. Its frustrating. The Caleb Martin thing
is still a head scratcher to me too, Like, I
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't. I don't understand that one.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I don't think he's peeled from his problems.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Really.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think that that's the reason his shot doesn't look
the same. Yeah, I could be wrong on that. I'm
not pretty to that right anyways. Uh, it's not a
good it's not a good time for the MAVs thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And so it's just dog pilon at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So Mark Cuban does had a little story of the
Athletic yesterday and Mark Cuban, I guess sent this via
email when he was asked if the Mavericker if they
would consider trading Anthony Davis, and he responded via email
he said, we won't.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
We want to try to win.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's when he was asked if he and Patrick Dumont
would seek a deal for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
So that got big headlines.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, I saw a lot of online people posting stuff
about all this.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
They were very worked up over it didn't.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
My first thought there is probably I don't know if
y'all agree with me on this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
My first thought was, well, he's getting out head because
all the news yesterday. There was a lot of stuff
that came out yesterday, and one was Kyrie might not
play because you know, they was Tim McMahon put it
in his podcast for other reasons, which makes you think, well,
the reasons would be that they're trying to tank. So
if you're thinking that, that made me start to go, well,
(03:59):
Cuban's just muddying up the waters by saying that, and
then like, I think so the league's that, like, oh,
you're taking you know, I think Cuban is a guy
that loves wrestling like he loves it and he loves
like There's several things that Cuban has said on the
record that have proven to not be true, like this
(04:19):
isn't new right.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He said he would never trade for Jon Rondo. He
said he would never trade for Jason Kidd.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
He did both.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
So he has a track record of going on record
and adamantly saying the team's not going to do or
is going to do something that they then didn't.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Do or did do.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Jared's playing again. He's playing a game plan again. He's
and this is what he does. And it's amusing to
me to see people lose their mind over it. And
I think it's probably amusing to him to see people
because he's he's stirring the pot. But I think the
main thing Cuban probably really wants to come out of
(04:59):
this is the juice of him being back in the
room and for the Athletic to have a headline, right,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean, I think Cuban loves that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Especially on the day of the McMahon article that yes,
was quite frankly not a good look on anybody.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
No great point, though.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I think that that's probably why the Athletic hit him up,
you know. And I think that's probably why he loved
going on record, yeah, you know, because look, he's not
There has been no indication from anyone anywhere that Mark
Cuban is making decisions for the Dallas Mavericks. But he
sounds like he's back in the room and he's a
consultant and so they'll at least listen to him, and
(05:35):
that wasn't happening for a while. Yeah, And I think
I think you're exactly right, well said and I think
he's probably digging a good part of that.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
And I think he probably.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Loved everyone going online and posting a video where they
lose their mind about what he said. And dude, if
they had to be fair, If Nico had asked Mark
Cuban if they should make the Luka deal, the deal
wouldn't have happened. If Nico had really asked, you know,
anyone in the front office, or anyone on the stree
uber driver or anyone in the world that's not a
(06:04):
Laker fan. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I
think it's the more I think about it. We had
spent so much time talking about this at the time.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Who knew who didn't know? I really don't.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think it was strictly between Nico and the owner,
and I think Nico probably had conversations with other people
in the room about, hey, you know, we're not happy
with Luca of this Luca, that should we trade him?
But I really do believe that could be wrong. But
I really do believe that the actual trade of Luca
and Maxi Kleiva for Anthony Davis. Max Christy had a
(06:39):
first round pick. I think the only people that knew
about that were Rob Polinka, Jeanie Buzz, Patrick Dumont, and
Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
That exact trade.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Now, I do think that there were conversations about trading
Luca with other people in the front office and the
coaching staff and all of that. But I really kind
of believe that that exact trade, the way it went
down was between only the principles. I'm gonna speak for
myself only out of respect for you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I know you're not worried about it, but I
am worried about it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
This is me, Ben Rogers.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I don't I don't know where I am on whether
I believe ja kid knew or didn't know.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You would know better than me, and I respect the
hell out of that.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And I know people who are very involved in this
and they don't know, and they're like, I don't know
if he knew or not. Some people say he did,
some people say he didn't, but no, I don't know
anybody who definitively can say he knew. Yeah, but I'm
just like, are you kidding if you if you traded
Luca off my team and I was the head coach,
I would have gone ballistic, right yeah? Or do you
(07:40):
have to just play the game and say, hey, I
just coach the guys who are here. I know, I'm
super confused about it. Admittedly I don't know the answer,
but I'm fifty to fifty. Well, I know we're up
against it, But I will say, will Nico ever spill
the beans?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Ooh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I thought about that the other day. Yes, will he
ever say his his truth?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All? Right, there you have it.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
There Sports catchup a little Mark Cuban action coming up
next in just three minutes. It's the big finish, the
things you should not talk to your families about this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
This is going to be fun and it's next
Reach down and grab a couple of plump tomatoes. It's
time for sports ketchup catchup pun sports spots ketchup catchup puns.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We have got some developing MAVs news today. It looks
like Dante ExHAM is going to be out for the
season with a niece surgery.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I don't understand this at all. Like, didn't they cut
a first round pick to make room for Dante Exam?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
They did.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
He has not played all year, right, that he has not,
and now he's out for the rest of the year.
It's tough. They they cut a first round pick. What
was the name, Olivier, it's.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Prosper.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
They cut Omax Prosper to bring back a guy who
has not been able to play and now will not
play for the whole year.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So you wasted a first round pick.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Like we talk about the Luca trade being the worst
trade in the history of humanity, but dude, there's quite
a few other questionable moves that Nico made and now
the MAVs are saddled with those things. But this is
one where you have a first round pick, you're developing him,
he might have some upside, and you just give up
on him for nothing. Yeah, I think it's like, you know,
(01:18):
giving up on Omax. He's currently a two way guy
in Memphis and he did not develop. Doesn't mean he's
done right, and I love his He played very hard
and he was good defensively in all these things, but
it's not like he's you know. But the whole point being,
how can you not be more on top of the
health of the player that you're going through all of
(01:40):
this maneuvering for, especially when it's a player that you
had in your organization for two years and so you're
already pretty aware of his injury history.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So it's very frustrating.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But you could tell, man, the last couple of weeks
when people would ask Jay Kid about Dante him, you
would just see all the energy leave Kid's body. He
was he was not feeling great about it, man, So
and it really sucks because this team could have desperately
used Dante xim in what he does right right, Look,
(02:17):
I'm dog Pilon, I'm overreacting. It's o max Is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's not the end of the world to lose Omax,
but it's but.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
It is an example of poor management of asking.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Give the guy a physical or something. But look, they
you know, they needed Dante ExHAM. I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, and it's not the end of the world, but
you know, it's frustrating. Its frustrating. The Caleb Martin thing
is still a head scratcher to me too, Like, I
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I don't. I don't understand that one.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I don't think he's peeled from his problems.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Really.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think that that's the reason his shot doesn't look
the same. Yeah, I could be wrong on that. I'm
not pretty to that right anyways. Uh, it's not a
good it's not a good time for the MAVs thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And so it's just dog pilon at this point.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So Mark Cuban does had a little story of the
Athletic yesterday and Mark Cuban, I guess sent this via
email when he was asked if the Mavericker if they
would consider trading Anthony Davis, and he responded via email
he said, we won't.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
We want to try to win.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's when he was asked if he and Patrick Dumont
would seek a deal for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
So that got big headlines.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, I saw a lot of online people posting stuff
about all this.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
They were very worked up over it didn't.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
My first thought there is probably I don't know if
y'all agree with me on this.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
My first thought was, well, he's getting out head because
all the news yesterday. There was a lot of stuff
that came out yesterday, and one was Kyrie might not
play because you know, they was Tim McMahon put it
in his podcast for other reasons, which makes you think, well,
the reasons would be that they're trying to tank. So
if you're thinking that, that made me start to go, well,
(03:59):
Cuban's just muddying up the waters by saying that, and
then like, I think so the league's that, like, oh,
you're taking you know, I think Cuban is a guy
that loves wrestling like he loves it and he loves
like There's several things that Cuban has said on the
record that have proven to not be true, like this
(04:19):
isn't new right.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He said he would never trade for Jon Rondo. He
said he would never trade for Jason Kidd.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
He did both.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
So he has a track record of going on record
and adamantly saying the team's not going to do or
is going to do something that they then didn't.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Do or did do.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Jared's playing again. He's playing a game plan again. He's
and this is what he does. And it's amusing to
me to see people lose their mind over it. And
I think it's probably amusing to him to see people
because he's he's stirring the pot. But I think the
main thing Cuban probably really wants to come out of
(04:59):
this is the juice of him being back in the
room and for the Athletic to have a headline, right,
you know.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean, I think Cuban loves that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Especially on the day of the McMahon article that yes,
was quite frankly not a good look on anybody.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
No great point, though.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I think that that's probably why the Athletic hit him up,
you know. And I think that's probably why he loved
going on record, yeah, you know, because look, he's not
There has been no indication from anyone anywhere that Mark
Cuban is making decisions for the Dallas Mavericks. But he
sounds like he's back in the room and he's a
consultant and so they'll at least listen to him, and
(05:35):
that wasn't happening for a while. Yeah, And I think
I think you're exactly right, well said and I think
he's probably digging a good part of that.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
And I think he probably.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Loved everyone going online and posting a video where they
lose their mind about what he said. And dude, if
they had to be fair, If Nico had asked Mark
Cuban if they should make the Luka deal, the deal
wouldn't have happened. If Nico had really asked, you know,
anyone in the front office, or anyone on the stree
uber driver or anyone in the world that's not a
(06:04):
Laker fan. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I
think it's the more I think about it. We had
spent so much time talking about this at the time.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Who knew who didn't know? I really don't.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think it was strictly between Nico and the owner,
and I think Nico probably had conversations with other people
in the room about, hey, you know, we're not happy
with Luca of this Luca, that should we trade him?
But I really do believe that could be wrong. But
I really do believe that the actual trade of Luca
and Maxi Kleiva for Anthony Davis. Max Christy had a
(06:39):
first round pick. I think the only people that knew
about that were Rob Polinka, Jeanie Buzz, Patrick Dumont, and
Nico Harrison.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
That exact trade.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Now, I do think that there were conversations about trading
Luca with other people in the front office and the
coaching staff and all of that. But I really kind
of believe that that exact trade, the way it went
down was between only the principles. I'm gonna speak for
myself only out of respect for you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I know you're not worried about it, but I
am worried about it.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
This is me, Ben Rogers.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I don't I don't know where I am on whether
I believe ja kid knew or didn't know.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You would know better than me, and I respect the
hell out of that.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And I know people who are very involved in this
and they don't know, and they're like, I don't know
if he knew or not. Some people say he did,
some people say he didn't, but no, I don't know
anybody who definitively can say he knew. Yeah, but I'm
just like, are you kidding if you if you traded
Luca off my team and I was the head coach,
I would have gone ballistic, right yeah? Or do you
(07:40):
have to just play the game and say, hey, I
just coach the guys who are here. I know, I'm
super confused about it. Admittedly I don't know the answer,
but I'm fifty to fifty. Well, I know we're up
against it, But I will say, will Nico ever spill
the beans?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Ooh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I thought about that the other day. Yes, will he
ever say his his truth?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
All? Right, there you have it.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
There Sports catchup a little Mark Cuban action coming up
next in just three minutes. It's the big finish, the
things you should not talk to your families about this Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
This is going to be fun and it's next
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