April 19, 2024 • 36 mins
NPR’s new chief is no improvement. White House admits that Biden lied about uncle being eaten by cannibals. Biden gas station bumbling. Stephen A. Smith continues to go after Biden and explain why Trump is surging among minority voters. Clay puts on his lawyer hat and breaks down what we know about the Trump jurors one by one. Will any of the 12 jurors have the courage to stand up for the law in the Trump case? How can Trump get a decent lawyer? New Biden ad hilariously claims he’s super sharp.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Buck out with his lovely wife Carrie on vacation. He
will be back on Monday with me. But in the meantime,
we got three hours of fun rolling your way to
take you into the weekend. A lot to discuss. Let
me give you a little bit of a rundown of
where we're headed. Betsy de Vos is going to join
us at one thirty to talk these ridiculous and absurd
(00:37):
new Title nine regulations that have been propounded by the
Biden administration that would effectively endorse the idea that what
matters is not your actual gender, but your gender identity.
It's a direct attack on women's sports. We've been expecting
it for a while. We will talk about that with
(00:58):
her at two point thirty. From the Daily Wire, Matt Walsh.
Many of you know him from the great movie that
he made, What Is a Woman? He also does good
rourk at the Daily Wire, variety of different aspects there.
He will join us at two thirty to roll into
the weekend. All of that a lot of fun. We've
got several different stories that we will be covering. The
(01:19):
NPR head this new crazy woman previously rigged Wikipedia. I
want to make sure that you guys hear the audio
so you know the impact that she's going to.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Have in her new job.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I can't believe this is real, but it's a perfect
Friday story. Joe Biden claimed that his uncle was eaten
by cannibals. I've been not making this up. This really happened.
The White House now says he died in a plane crash. Instead,
we will discuss that Biden tried to go to a
gas station in Pennsylvania, and now they are running ads
(01:55):
to let you know that Joe Biden, he's not a
dementia riddled an aduled imbecile. He's actually very very sharp.
We will play that for you. Plus my buddy Stephen A.
Smith continues to tee off on Joe Biden and make
the case for why Donald Trump is continuing to grow
his support, particularly among minority voters. We will discuss all
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that and more, but I wanted to start with all
of you. This caught me by surprise yesterday when we
finished the show, there have been two jurors removed from
the Trump jury, and I said that it felt like
things were spiraling out of control there. Then after we
got off the air, they had a rapid level of
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success and they managed to seat all of the.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
New jur jury here.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So we now have I believe the number is twelve
jurors seated one alternate in the Trump criminal trial. They
are on track, they say, to start this trial on Monday.
Court is taking place today. They are trying to get
more alternate seated, up to six total alternates. But those
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alternate jurors would be in the courtroom and they would
be watching, but they would only have a say in
the outcome of the case if other jurors, that is,
the twelve initially seated jurors.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Were forced out.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And we now have pretty good biographical descriptions of all
of the jurors in this case, and I wanted to
walk through them with you, as Buck and I did
when there were seven seeded. A big part of how
a case is going to go, particularly one like this
where we know there is a rigged jury that is
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likely to be very much in favor of Alvin Bragg.
The state of New York and opposed to Donald Trump.
I want to run through what we know about the
twelve jurors that have been seated at this point in time,
and I'm reading from the New York Times. Jur Number
one works in sales, lives in West Harlem.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
This is our Irish buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh. He said he enjoys outdoor activities, gets his news
from the New York Times, watches Fox News and MSNBC,
which I'm sorry, sounds like you're lying to me if
you say you watch Fox News and MSNBC. Unless you're
me or Buck and your job is to analyze the media.
(04:26):
I don't think there are actually very many people who
watch both of those. He said He's heard about some
of former President Donald Trump's other criminal cases, but didn't
have an opinion about him. Juror one's going to vote
to convict. Okay, just based on this biographical sketch, Irish
guy who lives in Harlem claims that he gets his
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news from Fox News and MSNBC. I'm sorry, this guy
hates Trump. He's going to vote to convict. This is
my analysis. By the way, people out there goes, say,
Blake Travis told you exactly what all the juries are
gonna gurm members are gonna do he's jury tampering again.
(05:08):
Put him in handcuffs, put him in prison. So far,
I've not been arrested. Trust me, you'll know if I
am arrested. This is my opinion analyzing based on the
biographical information provided by the New York Times, which is
where I'm reading this from. Jur two works in finance,
lives in Hell's kitchen. He said he likes hiking, music
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concerts and enjoying New York City. He said he follows
mister Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen on social media, but
he also said he follows figures like Kelly Ann Conway.
He said he believed mister Trump had done some good
for the country, adding it goes both ways. I'm sorry
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if you follow Michael Cohen on Twitter you hate Trump.
This guy is not voting that Trump is not guilty.
I'm sorry you follow Michael Cohen. That should be a
strike to me. This feels like the first two guys
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here are definitely likely to vote that Trump is guilty.
Jur three, works in the legal field, lives in Chelsea.
Said he doesn't follow the news, but when he does,
he reads The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal,
and finds articles using Google. He said he was not
very familiar with mister Trump's other criminal cases. Again, this
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is a guilty verdict. I think we got three bad
jurors for Trump so far. Jur four engineer from the
Upper West Side, asked how he was during jury selection.
He responded, I'm freezing. When a warrior asked if he
had strong feelings about mister Trump, he responded, no, not really.
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Now evidently the courtroom has really been cold. So that's
kind of a funny answer as you kind of break
down here. But I don't buy into the idea that
anybody sitting in a jury pool in Manhattan doesn't have
strong feelings about Trump. When you say no, not really,
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it feels to me like you're covering things up. Dur
five works in education and is from Harlem. She said
she tries to avoid political conversations, doesn't care for news.
She said she appreciates mister Trump's candor. President Trump speaks
his mind. I would rather that in a person than
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someone who's in office and you don't know what they're
doing behind the scenes. Black woman in education from Harlem,
she is not voting not guilty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Jur six works in technology, lives in Chelsea, gets her
news from the New York Times, Google.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Facebook, and TikTok. Oh God.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
She said she probably has different beliefs than mister Trump,
but quote, this is a free country. I you know,
young woman gets her information from TikTok, disagrees with Trump,
but believes it's a free country. Lives in Chelsea. I
think we're O for six guys, first six jurors. I
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think we are O for six. Now, let me bring
in producer ally who didn't know I was going to
pull her up here. But you live in New York City,
You've lived in New York City for a long time.
Is there anything in these first six jurors biographical details
that you think I'm missing or as they are being
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described and as I am reading them to you from
the New York Times, are you with me that this
does not sound like a very favorable jury pool to Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Absolutely not, And having just done jury duty myself like
two months ago, I don't have a good feeling about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
This at all.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No, And there's nothing that is from these first six
jurors that, as someone living in New York city would
make you think for a moment, just based on the
neighborhoods or any of these descriptions, oh that could be favorable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, this is not good. All right, So that's the
first six.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm going to hit you in the next six in
a minute here, But I want to tell you a
story too.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ali just said she had done jury duty recently.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I do think there's a significant factor here that I'm
going to discuss in a little bit. It is there
are two lawyers that have been seated on this jury
pool and they weren't stricken. You have the ability, as
the defense or the prosecution to just strike jurors that
you think are going to be uniquely disfavorable to you.
(09:56):
And I have been on jury duty only once my life.
I've only been called once, and it was a mall
Santa dispute. Guy was a mall Santa and somehow he
had gotten into a contract dispute. I mean, he legitimately
looked like Santa Claus sitting at the plainiff table he
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was suing. I think it was a mall over a
contract dispute when he was playing Santa Claus in the mall. Sorry,
when he was. This was not the real Santa Claus.
For the kids out there that are in the car,
Santa Claus was not on trial, not the real Santa Claus.
This was a pretend Santa Claus, and so pretend Santa
Claus is there. And I actually got seated in the
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jury in the jury seating area.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was going to be on this jury.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then by mutual agreement, the plaintiff and defense lawyer
recognized me because at the time I was doing sports
talk radio and they both said they liked listening to
the radio show. So by mutual agreement, they were going
to allow me to not have to serve on the
jury so they could listen to me talk about sports.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is all one hundred percentury.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's the only time I've ever been called and actually
been into a courtroom. I thought I would get knocked
and taken off because I am a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They didn't do that. They took me off because I
happened to do radio.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's very strange, I would say, incredibly rare. When I
come back, I'm going to go through the other six jurors.
This almost never happens that you would have two lawyers
sitting on a trial. Usually they get knocked off. This
trial super fascinating, big gamble, I would say from both
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sides to allow this guy to continue. And so I
think this is very, very interesting to contemplate. We'll talk
about that in a moment, but I want to tell
you in the meantime, my oldest son's out of town
right now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
He's away on a school event until Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
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show all right rolling through the jury that the first
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six I said is not good. I'm struggling to find
any positivity here. Dur seven works in the legal field,
lives on the Upper east Side. He said he's aware
of mister Trump's other cases, doesn't have an opinion about
his character. Said he had political views on the Trump presidency,
agreeing with some policies and disagreeing with others. Again, not
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a big not a big fan of jury number seven either,
And I think to the extent that I'm talking about
the fact that there are two lawyers on this case.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
If you're a lawyer in New York City.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think the political pressure on you to vote to
convict is going to be off the charts because there
are very few lawyers who work in law firms that
would even represent Trump. His defense attorney had to leave
a big law firm because they were so angry at
the fact that he was willing to represent Trump. This
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is a big issue in the law that doesn't get
a lot of attention. How woke law firms have become
is off the charts. Their diversity quotas in terms of
the lawyers who represent companies now you don't hear a
lot of discussion about this. A lot of law firms
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require diverse represent now and or the clients require it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They don't require the best lawyer anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
They want there to be twenty percent minority, thirty five
percent female representation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
As somebody who worked in a law firm and as
someone who employs lawyers, I don't care about anything other
than are you the best of the legal representation that
I can afford.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Juror Upper east Side, worked in finance, said he reads
the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and watches CNBC
and the BBC. He enjoys fly fishing, skiing, and yoga.
During jury selection, he said he had no opinions or
beliefs that would prevent him from being impartial.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Ali, you're the yoguy.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do you think that anybody that you work out with
in doing yoga in Manhattan other than you would be
willing to vote not guilty for Trump on a criminal trial.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Ooh, that's a tough one, Clay.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Is it hot yoga? Does the yoga matter?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
If you think hot yoga or is cold yoga is
more likely to be favorable than Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I don't think it's looking good.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Now, Yoga.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Like there are a few hobbies that I see and
I say, you are not going to be a Trump person.
Yoga is one of them. And I know I'm gonna
get deluge from all the yoga people who are big
Trump people. Now you're in a substantial minority, especially if
you're in New York City.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Okay, Yeah, there's New York yoga, and then there's yoga
and other places that I wouldn't say the same.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, like Birmingham, Alabama yoga might be different than New
York City yoga.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But we're talking about New York City yoga right now.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Jurre nine works in education from the Upper East Side.
She said of Trump, he was our president. Everybody knows
who he is, adding that when he was in office,
everyone was kind of talking about politics. Yeah, that's a guilty.
I mean, this is not a good jury. Businessman who
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lives in Murray Hill. Ali, where's murray Hill? What does
that tell us?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Actually, that's not far from me in the East village.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Okay said he doesn't follow the news, adding if anything,
it's the New York Times. Said he likes listening to
podcasts on behavioral psychology, adding it's my hobby. Said he
does not have a strong opinion on Trump. All right,
those are the first ten. I'm not feeling good about
any of them. I felt good yesterday a little bit.
(17:32):
Not anywhere near very optimistic right now. I would love
to hear from Trump's defense attorney if he's optimistic about
any of these guys, honestly or gals. But we will
break down the rest of this jury when we come
back officially seated, could start hearing evidence on Monday. Hugely
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important jury, the biggest and most important jury since the
OJ Simpson trial, and I wish I knew that some
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(18:14):
rig our election. Maybe they love American democracy and want
to stand for a republic of justice. But I don't
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My name Clay, Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton
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show breaking down what I think is a very bad
jury for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I would love to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I would love for there to be someone who's willing
to look at this evidence point out that it's crap.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm hoping maybe a couple of the.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Warriors would because if I were seated on this jury,
I would be unable to get past the fact that, frankly,
it's total garbage. And I would know that Alvin Bragg
usually treats felonies as misdemeanors, and here he's treating a
misdemeanor as a felony. I would understand that the statute
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of limitations has passed. I would understand that the element
that even allows this case to have occurred, that is
the second crime, is actually in question. And I think
legally untenable to say nothing of the fact that I
think Michael Cohen is a huge liar and he is
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the star witness in this case. So I'm hoping that
maybe a couple of the war lawyers that are on
this jury, two of the twelve. Unheard of, frankly, to
have two jurors, to have two lawyers on a jury
like this of twelve. But I'm running through the biographical
sketches that have been provided by the New York Times.
You'll notice by the way the New York Times leaves
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out the race of the jurors, which is pretty significant
too in terms of just analyzing the likelihood. In other words,
I think a couple of these jurors are black women.
If you just had to say, who are the most
likely group to dislike Donald Trump in New York City,
it would be black women. I mean, that's not any
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massive leap of logic, but I do think it's interesting
that they won't include race here. Only time race gets
included in New York Times is when a white cop
shoots somebody who's black. Juror eleven product manager lives in
Upper Manhattan. She said she doesn't have strong opinions about Trump,
but added I don't like his persona, how he presents
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himself in public. She then added, I don't like some
of my coworkers, but I don't try to sabotage their work,
drawing laughter from the jury box. That's pretty funny, that
coworker line.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But I am. I was talking with producer Ali off
Air about this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I am incredibly skeptical about anyone who says they don't
really have an opinion of Trump. To me, that feels
like something you would say if you're trying to get
seated on the jury. I feel like everyone has an
opinion of Trump. It could be pro or con. It
could be that you try to avoid him. It can
be that you pay a ton of attention to him.
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He's probably the most opinion driving person in America today.
So when you say I don't really have an opinion,
I tend to think that you are not being honest.
Jur twelve works in healthcare lives on the Upper East Side.
She likes listening to live music, hiking, and listening to
religious podcast. Maybe maybe that's possible positive since if you
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listen to religious podcast in general, I would say that
you're probably more likely to vote Republican than not.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think most of you would probably say that. That
is the twelve jurors that will decide Donald Trump's fate.
This trial is going to start on Monday. Do any
of them have the willingness to actually stand up to
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this cavalcade of left wing attack and lawfair against Trump.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I don't know. I don't know. It can be very
hard if you're.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
In that jury and there isn't somebody else who has
the same opinion as you, to be willing not to
go with the consensus. One of the cool things that
we did back in law school. It's been twenty years
now when I was in law school, but Vanderbilt University
Law School has a mock courtroom basically that they have
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created where you can do a trial advocacy course, and
that's very fun because you learn how to move in
the courtroom, you learn how to introduce evidence, you learn
a lot of the aspects associated with being a trial lawyer.
Most lawyers never go to trial. Most lawyers do not
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have practice in the courtroom, but it is very cool
to be involved.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
In that process.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think if I had stayed and continued to practice law,
I think I would have been a trial lawyer because
basically what we do in media now Buck and myself
is we make cases to you guys every single day
for three hours. Here are the facts, Here's why I
think they matter, here's the story connected to it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Really, trial lawyers are just storytellers.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And the trial lawyer who tells the best story typically
is gonna win. But one of the things you get
to do is they bring in regular people off the streets.
I think they pay them not a lot of money,
but they say, we want you to serve as a juror.
And then you do mock trials, and you conduct cross examinations,
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you present opening and closing arguments, You do all of that,
and then you can watch the jury on camera in
the jury room discuss what they thought of your presentation,
what they thought of your witnesses, what they liked and
did not like. And this is something that usually you
don't get the opportunity to see, which is what a
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real jury sounds like when they debate the evidence that
has been presented. Now, this is not obviously a real jury,
but it is instructive because you can learn how you
appear to the jury. One of my favorite tricks of
a trial lawyer is men Men are seen as far
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more trustworthy by women on juries if they're married. There
are trial lawyers out there who will wear a wedding
ring even if they are single, because they want to
have that appeal to the jury. And overwhelmingly it's really
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very fascinating psychologically, right overwhelmingly women trust marry men more
than they do single men.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think probably.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's that, hey, if you've got a family, if there's
a woman who's willing to live with you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You can't really be that bad.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think that's the way that the female mind in
that context, such that it's so well known that some
men who are single appearing before a jury will wear
a wedding ring for the trial, just as that context clue.
It's very fascinating how the jury is impacted. And if
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the jury is dealing with skilled attorneys, which I imagine
they would be here, they will vacillate pretty significantly based
on the quality of the opening and closing arguments in
terms of what they believe. Now, this trial is going
to go on six to eight weeks, but ultimately it's
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much like a coach with a team. You can only
be as good as the talent of the team that
you have. You can still mold them in the best
of your ability, but if you don't have a group
that is able to go in the direction you want,
you're not going to have a lot of success. So
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really the jury is more important than anything else. I
think that happens in this case because if you got
one or two people that are willing to really give
Trump potentially the benefit of the doubt as opposed to
try to throw the book at him, I don't think
they're going to get a conviction. And you would think
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the math would suggest that there would be at least
one or two Trump voters that could get on this jury.
At least one would be the rough math. Two maybe
if things went well. But I don't feel very good
about this jury right now based on the biographical sketch
details that I just read to you, and that I've
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been reading from several other different media outlets. I'm open
if you guys, based on the twelve that I just
ran through, disagree. We'll take some of your calls. By
the way, because it's Friday, eight hundred and two A
two two eight eight two. Ali, you live in New
York City? Do you feel at all confident based on
(28:09):
the twelve jurors that I just ran through.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Unfortunately, I don't. I really don't. Yeah, I literally, I'm like,
I don't think there's any way this is gonna work
out well for Trump period.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And if that's true, I still would circle back to
my original position on these on this case and on
the cases in general, which I've been saying for basically
a year now. I don't think that what happens in
these criminal cases is going to have an impact in
terms of the overall race. And that is because I
still believe that Joe Biden's lack of mental and physical
(28:47):
acuity is the issue that is ultimately going to be
dispositive in this race, which is why I think Trump's
gonna win. And if you think that I'm wrong on that,
well the Biden campaign see to agree. When we come back,
I'm going to play you their latest ad which wants
you to know Biden is actually really in control of everything.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He's sharp.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
break down the Trump jury.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The twelve people that have been seated.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Reminder, they're gonna have six alternates, so some of the
twelve that I discussed with you may not end up
in the final jury pool. But that is the direction
that they are potentially going to going to be headed a.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Couple of different things. I told you that I wanted.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
To play the audio of this new ad that they're
running that is making the case that Biden is actually really,
very very much mentally sharp.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Here is cut twelve. Listen to a snippet of that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I'd love to tell a story about meeting President Biden,
because when you meet him, this guy's as sharp as
the mighty. They have nothing else to atte because they
can't attack the things that he's doing that are so
good for this country. Joe Biden gets things done.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, I'm sorry you cannot convince me that Joe Biden
is mentally sharp. We've told you that this is where
this was gonna go, But can we play that ad
for you again? Because the guy says, the only thing
they can say about Biden is that he's mentally sharp,
because you can't attack what he does.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Listen to how bad of an ad this is. Well,
we played that when we were about fifteen second story about.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Meeting President Biden, because when you meet him, this guy's
as sharp as the Knight. They have nothing else to
attack because they can't attack the things that he's doing
that are so good for this country. Joe Biden gets
things done. That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They have nothing else to attack because he's getting so
many good things done for the country. I'm paraphrasing that argument.
This may be the worst ad of all time. If
you have to tell someone that someone is sharp, they
aren't sharp. Have you ever met a really smart person
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and felt compelled to tell other people how smart they are?
It is not a good sign. But actually it's not
only that Biden is mentally and cognitively not able to
do the job. I've said on this show, I don't
think that Joe Biden could do any job that required
(33:35):
significant management in America today. I don't think he could
do the job.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Of a Walmart greeter.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't think he could stand in the front of
Walmart for eight hours and shake hands.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I legitimately do not believe he could do it.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Couldn't manage a gas station, couldn't do anything on this program,
couldn't do any job that we have at out Kick,
couldn't do basically any job in America, and that's the
most important job in America. But he's failed at everything.
So when you are arguing, the only thing they have
to attack him for is his mental fitness. Actually, no,
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we can attack him for the border, for crime, for
war in Europe, for war in the Middle East, for inflation,
for the fact that your wages have not kept up
with the overall cost of goods in this country, which
is probably the single most important thing that people notice.
(34:32):
Everything that Biden hat touched has turned to crap. The
bidens touch. Everything he's been involved in is worse. And
I love Game of Thrones. Our crew pulled a line
from Taiwan Lanister, who was the dwarf in Game of Thrones?
Am I going to get a medal here because I
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didn't say midget the dwarf the little person?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can you say dwarf?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now? I don't even know they called him a dwarf
on Game of Thrones. He says, if you listen to
this cut from Game of Thrones talking about mental acuity
of leadership.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Any man who must say I am the king is
no true king.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Sorry, I have to play that again because they were
talking to me. I got them crossed up. That's Tyrian
who is the father of Sorry, Taiwan who is the.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Father of Tyrian? Is that right? Play it one more time.
Any man who must say I am the king is
no true king. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Anytime you have to argue that you are something, you
are in a tough spot. When you were arguing, I
am mentally on top of things. I'm mentally sharp. Seventy
five percent of people have already made up their mind
that Biden isn't so he's not going to be able
to change that. And if you saw the video I
shared this on social yesterday. He went to a Wawa
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in Pennsylvania, tried to order traversly, couldn't close a box,
you know, like a donut box that you would get
if you went into Dunkin Donuts or something like that.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You just have to put the box in.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He couldn't do it, couldn't shut the box, and then
was trying to order a milkshake and wasn't able to
order a milkshake. Maybe they decided ice cream wasn't a
good look, so now he's going milkshake. This is two
straight days they've sent him into Pennsylvania gas stations. Two
straight days he's been ignored. I think it's an attempt
(36:27):
to respond to the viral video that Trump had from
Chick fil A down in Atlanta, and all it does
is further illuminate how out of touch Biden is. They
even left him in those sunglasses, like Buck has pointed
out that they do to try to keep you from
being able to see how vacant his stare is.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It's really pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Speaking of crazy, when we come back, you're not gonna
believe the NPR lady,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Buck out with his lovely wife Carrie on vacation. He
will be back on Monday with me. But in the meantime,
we got three hours of fun rolling your way to
take you into the weekend. A lot to discuss. Let
me give you a little bit of a rundown of
where we're headed. Betsy de Vos is going to join
us at one thirty to talk these ridiculous and absurd
(00:37):
new Title nine regulations that have been propounded by the
Biden administration that would effectively endorse the idea that what
matters is not your actual gender, but your gender identity.
It's a direct attack on women's sports. We've been expecting
it for a while. We will talk about that with
(00:58):
her at two point thirty. From the Daily Wire, Matt Walsh.
Many of you know him from the great movie that
he made, What Is a Woman? He also does good
rourk at the Daily Wire, variety of different aspects there.
He will join us at two thirty to roll into
the weekend. All of that a lot of fun. We've
got several different stories that we will be covering. The
(01:19):
NPR head this new crazy woman previously rigged Wikipedia. I
want to make sure that you guys hear the audio
so you know the impact that she's going to.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Have in her new job.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I can't believe this is real, but it's a perfect
Friday story. Joe Biden claimed that his uncle was eaten
by cannibals. I've been not making this up. This really happened.
The White House now says he died in a plane crash. Instead,
we will discuss that Biden tried to go to a
gas station in Pennsylvania, and now they are running ads
(01:55):
to let you know that Joe Biden, he's not a
dementia riddled an aduled imbecile. He's actually very very sharp.
We will play that for you. Plus my buddy Stephen A.
Smith continues to tee off on Joe Biden and make
the case for why Donald Trump is continuing to grow
his support, particularly among minority voters. We will discuss all
(02:18):
that and more, but I wanted to start with all
of you. This caught me by surprise yesterday when we
finished the show, there have been two jurors removed from
the Trump jury, and I said that it felt like
things were spiraling out of control there. Then after we
got off the air, they had a rapid level of
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success and they managed to seat all of the.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
New jur jury here.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So we now have I believe the number is twelve
jurors seated one alternate in the Trump criminal trial. They
are on track, they say, to start this trial on Monday.
Court is taking place today. They are trying to get
more alternate seated, up to six total alternates. But those
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alternate jurors would be in the courtroom and they would
be watching, but they would only have a say in
the outcome of the case if other jurors, that is,
the twelve initially seated jurors.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Were forced out.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And we now have pretty good biographical descriptions of all
of the jurors in this case, and I wanted to
walk through them with you, as Buck and I did
when there were seven seeded. A big part of how
a case is going to go, particularly one like this
where we know there is a rigged jury that is
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likely to be very much in favor of Alvin Bragg.
The state of New York and opposed to Donald Trump.
I want to run through what we know about the
twelve jurors that have been seated at this point in time,
and I'm reading from the New York Times. Jur Number
one works in sales, lives in West Harlem.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
This is our Irish buddy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Uh. He said he enjoys outdoor activities, gets his news
from the New York Times, watches Fox News and MSNBC,
which I'm sorry, sounds like you're lying to me if
you say you watch Fox News and MSNBC. Unless you're
me or Buck and your job is to analyze the media.
(04:26):
I don't think there are actually very many people who
watch both of those. He said He's heard about some
of former President Donald Trump's other criminal cases, but didn't
have an opinion about him. Juror one's going to vote
to convict. Okay, just based on this biographical sketch, Irish
guy who lives in Harlem claims that he gets his
(04:48):
news from Fox News and MSNBC. I'm sorry, this guy
hates Trump. He's going to vote to convict. This is
my analysis. By the way, people out there goes, say,
Blake Travis told you exactly what all the juries are
gonna gurm members are gonna do he's jury tampering again.
(05:08):
Put him in handcuffs, put him in prison. So far,
I've not been arrested. Trust me, you'll know if I
am arrested. This is my opinion analyzing based on the
biographical information provided by the New York Times, which is
where I'm reading this from. Jur two works in finance,
lives in Hell's kitchen. He said he likes hiking, music
(05:30):
concerts and enjoying New York City. He said he follows
mister Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen on social media, but
he also said he follows figures like Kelly Ann Conway.
He said he believed mister Trump had done some good
for the country, adding it goes both ways. I'm sorry
(05:54):
if you follow Michael Cohen on Twitter you hate Trump.
This guy is not voting that Trump is not guilty.
I'm sorry you follow Michael Cohen. That should be a
strike to me. This feels like the first two guys
(06:15):
here are definitely likely to vote that Trump is guilty.
Jur three, works in the legal field, lives in Chelsea.
Said he doesn't follow the news, but when he does,
he reads The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal,
and finds articles using Google. He said he was not
very familiar with mister Trump's other criminal cases. Again, this
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is a guilty verdict. I think we got three bad
jurors for Trump so far. Jur four engineer from the
Upper West Side, asked how he was during jury selection.
He responded, I'm freezing. When a warrior asked if he
had strong feelings about mister Trump, he responded, no, not really.
(07:03):
Now evidently the courtroom has really been cold. So that's
kind of a funny answer as you kind of break
down here. But I don't buy into the idea that
anybody sitting in a jury pool in Manhattan doesn't have
strong feelings about Trump. When you say no, not really,
(07:23):
it feels to me like you're covering things up. Dur
five works in education and is from Harlem. She said
she tries to avoid political conversations, doesn't care for news.
She said she appreciates mister Trump's candor. President Trump speaks
his mind. I would rather that in a person than
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someone who's in office and you don't know what they're
doing behind the scenes. Black woman in education from Harlem,
she is not voting not guilty.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Jur six works in technology, lives in Chelsea, gets her
news from the New York Times, Google.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Facebook, and TikTok. Oh God.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
She said she probably has different beliefs than mister Trump,
but quote, this is a free country. I you know,
young woman gets her information from TikTok, disagrees with Trump,
but believes it's a free country. Lives in Chelsea. I
think we're O for six guys, first six jurors. I
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think we are O for six. Now, let me bring
in producer ally who didn't know I was going to
pull her up here. But you live in New York City,
You've lived in New York City for a long time.
Is there anything in these first six jurors biographical details
that you think I'm missing or as they are being
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described and as I am reading them to you from
the New York Times, are you with me that this
does not sound like a very favorable jury pool to Trump.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Absolutely not, And having just done jury duty myself like
two months ago, I don't have a good feeling about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
This at all.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
No, And there's nothing that is from these first six
jurors that, as someone living in New York city would
make you think for a moment, just based on the
neighborhoods or any of these descriptions, oh that could be favorable.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, this is not good. All right, So that's the
first six.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm going to hit you in the next six in
a minute here, But I want to tell you a
story too.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Ali just said she had done jury duty recently.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I do think there's a significant factor here that I'm
going to discuss in a little bit. It is there
are two lawyers that have been seated on this jury
pool and they weren't stricken. You have the ability, as
the defense or the prosecution to just strike jurors that
you think are going to be uniquely disfavorable to you.
(09:56):
And I have been on jury duty only once my life.
I've only been called once, and it was a mall
Santa dispute. Guy was a mall Santa and somehow he
had gotten into a contract dispute. I mean, he legitimately
looked like Santa Claus sitting at the plainiff table he
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was suing. I think it was a mall over a
contract dispute when he was playing Santa Claus in the mall. Sorry,
when he was. This was not the real Santa Claus.
For the kids out there that are in the car,
Santa Claus was not on trial, not the real Santa Claus.
This was a pretend Santa Claus, and so pretend Santa
Claus is there. And I actually got seated in the
(10:41):
jury in the jury seating area.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was going to be on this jury.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then by mutual agreement, the plaintiff and defense lawyer
recognized me because at the time I was doing sports
talk radio and they both said they liked listening to
the radio show. So by mutual agreement, they were going
to allow me to not have to serve on the
jury so they could listen to me talk about sports.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This is all one hundred percentury.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's the only time I've ever been called and actually
been into a courtroom. I thought I would get knocked
and taken off because I am a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
They didn't do that. They took me off because I
happened to do radio.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's very strange, I would say, incredibly rare. When I
come back, I'm going to go through the other six jurors.
This almost never happens that you would have two lawyers
sitting on a trial. Usually they get knocked off. This
trial super fascinating, big gamble, I would say from both
(11:51):
sides to allow this guy to continue. And so I
think this is very, very interesting to contemplate. We'll talk
about that in a moment, but I want to tell
you in the meantime, my oldest son's out of town
right now.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
He's away on a school event until Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I just texted him when I set down to start
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show all right rolling through the jury that the first
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six I said is not good. I'm struggling to find
any positivity here. Dur seven works in the legal field,
lives on the Upper east Side. He said he's aware
of mister Trump's other cases, doesn't have an opinion about
his character. Said he had political views on the Trump presidency,
agreeing with some policies and disagreeing with others. Again, not
(14:03):
a big not a big fan of jury number seven either,
And I think to the extent that I'm talking about
the fact that there are two lawyers on this case.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
If you're a lawyer in New York City.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think the political pressure on you to vote to
convict is going to be off the charts because there
are very few lawyers who work in law firms that
would even represent Trump. His defense attorney had to leave
a big law firm because they were so angry at
the fact that he was willing to represent Trump. This
(14:36):
is a big issue in the law that doesn't get
a lot of attention. How woke law firms have become
is off the charts. Their diversity quotas in terms of
the lawyers who represent companies now you don't hear a
lot of discussion about this. A lot of law firms
(14:57):
require diverse represent now and or the clients require it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
They don't require the best lawyer anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
They want there to be twenty percent minority, thirty five
percent female representation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
As somebody who worked in a law firm and as
someone who employs lawyers, I don't care about anything other
than are you the best of the legal representation that
I can afford.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Juror Upper east Side, worked in finance, said he reads
the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and watches CNBC
and the BBC. He enjoys fly fishing, skiing, and yoga.
During jury selection, he said he had no opinions or
beliefs that would prevent him from being impartial.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Ali, you're the yoguy.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do you think that anybody that you work out with
in doing yoga in Manhattan other than you would be
willing to vote not guilty for Trump on a criminal trial.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Ooh, that's a tough one, Clay.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Is it hot yoga? Does the yoga matter?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
If you think hot yoga or is cold yoga is
more likely to be favorable than Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I don't think it's looking good.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Now, Yoga.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Like there are a few hobbies that I see and
I say, you are not going to be a Trump person.
Yoga is one of them. And I know I'm gonna
get deluge from all the yoga people who are big
Trump people. Now you're in a substantial minority, especially if
you're in New York City.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Okay, Yeah, there's New York yoga, and then there's yoga
and other places that I wouldn't say the same.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, like Birmingham, Alabama yoga might be different than New
York City yoga.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But we're talking about New York City yoga right now.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Jurre nine works in education from the Upper East Side.
She said of Trump, he was our president. Everybody knows
who he is, adding that when he was in office,
everyone was kind of talking about politics. Yeah, that's a guilty.
I mean, this is not a good jury. Businessman who
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lives in Murray Hill. Ali, where's murray Hill? What does
that tell us?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Actually, that's not far from me in the East village.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Okay said he doesn't follow the news, adding if anything,
it's the New York Times. Said he likes listening to
podcasts on behavioral psychology, adding it's my hobby. Said he
does not have a strong opinion on Trump. All right,
those are the first ten. I'm not feeling good about
any of them. I felt good yesterday a little bit.
(17:32):
Not anywhere near very optimistic right now. I would love
to hear from Trump's defense attorney if he's optimistic about
any of these guys, honestly or gals. But we will
break down the rest of this jury when we come
back officially seated, could start hearing evidence on Monday. Hugely
(17:53):
important jury, the biggest and most important jury since the
OJ Simpson trial, and I wish I knew that some
of the ors had signed up for Chalk, because then
I would say, hey, you know what, Maybe they listened
to Clay and Buck. Maybe they're worried about having more
testosterone in their life. Maybe they're willing to stand up
to all the wooses out there who were trying to
(18:14):
rig our election. Maybe they love American democracy and want
to stand for a republic of justice. But I don't
know that any of them have high testosterone. I don't
know that any of them take chalk, but boy, oh boy,
I wish they did.
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show breaking down what I think is a very bad
jury for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I would love to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I would love for there to be someone who's willing
to look at this evidence point out that it's crap.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm hoping maybe a couple of the.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Warriors would because if I were seated on this jury,
I would be unable to get past the fact that, frankly,
it's total garbage. And I would know that Alvin Bragg
usually treats felonies as misdemeanors, and here he's treating a
misdemeanor as a felony. I would understand that the statute
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of limitations has passed. I would understand that the element
that even allows this case to have occurred, that is
the second crime, is actually in question. And I think
legally untenable to say nothing of the fact that I
think Michael Cohen is a huge liar and he is
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the star witness in this case. So I'm hoping that
maybe a couple of the war lawyers that are on
this jury, two of the twelve. Unheard of, frankly, to
have two jurors, to have two lawyers on a jury
like this of twelve. But I'm running through the biographical
sketches that have been provided by the New York Times.
You'll notice by the way the New York Times leaves
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out the race of the jurors, which is pretty significant
too in terms of just analyzing the likelihood. In other words,
I think a couple of these jurors are black women.
If you just had to say, who are the most
likely group to dislike Donald Trump in New York City,
it would be black women. I mean, that's not any
(20:40):
massive leap of logic, but I do think it's interesting
that they won't include race here. Only time race gets
included in New York Times is when a white cop
shoots somebody who's black. Juror eleven product manager lives in
Upper Manhattan. She said she doesn't have strong opinions about Trump,
but added I don't like his persona, how he presents
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himself in public. She then added, I don't like some
of my coworkers, but I don't try to sabotage their work,
drawing laughter from the jury box. That's pretty funny, that
coworker line.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
But I am. I was talking with producer Ali off
Air about this.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I am incredibly skeptical about anyone who says they don't
really have an opinion of Trump. To me, that feels
like something you would say if you're trying to get
seated on the jury. I feel like everyone has an
opinion of Trump. It could be pro or con. It
could be that you try to avoid him. It can
be that you pay a ton of attention to him.
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He's probably the most opinion driving person in America today.
So when you say I don't really have an opinion,
I tend to think that you are not being honest.
Jur twelve works in healthcare lives on the Upper East Side.
She likes listening to live music, hiking, and listening to
religious podcast. Maybe maybe that's possible positive since if you
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listen to religious podcast in general, I would say that
you're probably more likely to vote Republican than not.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think that's probably true.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think most of you would probably say that. That
is the twelve jurors that will decide Donald Trump's fate.
This trial is going to start on Monday. Do any
of them have the willingness to actually stand up to
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this cavalcade of left wing attack and lawfair against Trump.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I don't know. I don't know. It can be very
hard if you're.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
In that jury and there isn't somebody else who has
the same opinion as you, to be willing not to
go with the consensus. One of the cool things that
we did back in law school. It's been twenty years
now when I was in law school, but Vanderbilt University
Law School has a mock courtroom basically that they have
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created where you can do a trial advocacy course, and
that's very fun because you learn how to move in
the courtroom, you learn how to introduce evidence, you learn
a lot of the aspects associated with being a trial lawyer.
Most lawyers never go to trial. Most lawyers do not
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have practice in the courtroom, but it is very cool
to be involved.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
In that process.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think if I had stayed and continued to practice law,
I think I would have been a trial lawyer because
basically what we do in media now Buck and myself
is we make cases to you guys every single day
for three hours. Here are the facts, Here's why I
think they matter, here's the story connected to it.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Really, trial lawyers are just storytellers.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And the trial lawyer who tells the best story typically
is gonna win. But one of the things you get
to do is they bring in regular people off the streets.
I think they pay them not a lot of money,
but they say, we want you to serve as a juror.
And then you do mock trials, and you conduct cross examinations,
(24:30):
you present opening and closing arguments, You do all of that,
and then you can watch the jury on camera in
the jury room discuss what they thought of your presentation,
what they thought of your witnesses, what they liked and
did not like. And this is something that usually you
don't get the opportunity to see, which is what a
(24:54):
real jury sounds like when they debate the evidence that
has been presented. Now, this is not obviously a real jury,
but it is instructive because you can learn how you
appear to the jury. One of my favorite tricks of
a trial lawyer is men Men are seen as far
(25:17):
more trustworthy by women on juries if they're married. There
are trial lawyers out there who will wear a wedding
ring even if they are single, because they want to
have that appeal to the jury. And overwhelmingly it's really
(25:40):
very fascinating psychologically, right overwhelmingly women trust marry men more
than they do single men.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think probably.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's that, hey, if you've got a family, if there's
a woman who's willing to live with you.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You can't really be that bad.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think that's the way that the female mind in
that context, such that it's so well known that some
men who are single appearing before a jury will wear
a wedding ring for the trial, just as that context clue.
It's very fascinating how the jury is impacted. And if
(26:20):
the jury is dealing with skilled attorneys, which I imagine
they would be here, they will vacillate pretty significantly based
on the quality of the opening and closing arguments in
terms of what they believe. Now, this trial is going
to go on six to eight weeks, but ultimately it's
(26:43):
much like a coach with a team. You can only
be as good as the talent of the team that
you have. You can still mold them in the best
of your ability, but if you don't have a group
that is able to go in the direction you want,
you're not going to have a lot of success. So
(27:04):
really the jury is more important than anything else. I
think that happens in this case because if you got
one or two people that are willing to really give
Trump potentially the benefit of the doubt as opposed to
try to throw the book at him, I don't think
they're going to get a conviction. And you would think
(27:27):
the math would suggest that there would be at least
one or two Trump voters that could get on this jury.
At least one would be the rough math. Two maybe
if things went well. But I don't feel very good
about this jury right now based on the biographical sketch
details that I just read to you, and that I've
(27:49):
been reading from several other different media outlets. I'm open
if you guys, based on the twelve that I just
ran through, disagree. We'll take some of your calls. By
the way, because it's Friday, eight hundred and two A
two two eight eight two. Ali, you live in New
York City? Do you feel at all confident based on
(28:09):
the twelve jurors that I just ran through.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Unfortunately, I don't. I really don't. Yeah, I literally, I'm like,
I don't think there's any way this is gonna work
out well for Trump period.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And if that's true, I still would circle back to
my original position on these on this case and on
the cases in general, which I've been saying for basically
a year now. I don't think that what happens in
these criminal cases is going to have an impact in
terms of the overall race. And that is because I
still believe that Joe Biden's lack of mental and physical
(28:47):
acuity is the issue that is ultimately going to be
dispositive in this race, which is why I think Trump's
gonna win. And if you think that I'm wrong on that,
well the Biden campaign see to agree. When we come back,
I'm going to play you their latest ad which wants
you to know Biden is actually really in control of everything.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
He's sharp.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
break down the Trump jury.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The twelve people that have been seated.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Reminder, they're gonna have six alternates, so some of the
twelve that I discussed with you may not end up
in the final jury pool. But that is the direction
that they are potentially going to going to be headed a.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Couple of different things. I told you that I wanted.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
To play the audio of this new ad that they're
running that is making the case that Biden is actually really,
very very much mentally sharp.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Here is cut twelve. Listen to a snippet of that.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I'd love to tell a story about meeting President Biden,
because when you meet him, this guy's as sharp as
the mighty. They have nothing else to atte because they
can't attack the things that he's doing that are so
good for this country. Joe Biden gets things done.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, I'm sorry you cannot convince me that Joe Biden
is mentally sharp. We've told you that this is where
this was gonna go, But can we play that ad
for you again? Because the guy says, the only thing
they can say about Biden is that he's mentally sharp,
because you can't attack what he does.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Listen to how bad of an ad this is. Well,
we played that when we were about fifteen second story about.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Meeting President Biden, because when you meet him, this guy's
as sharp as the Knight. They have nothing else to
attack because they can't attack the things that he's doing
that are so good for this country. Joe Biden gets
things done. That's just who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They have nothing else to attack because he's getting so
many good things done for the country. I'm paraphrasing that argument.
This may be the worst ad of all time. If
you have to tell someone that someone is sharp, they
aren't sharp. Have you ever met a really smart person
(33:12):
and felt compelled to tell other people how smart they are?
It is not a good sign. But actually it's not
only that Biden is mentally and cognitively not able to
do the job. I've said on this show, I don't
think that Joe Biden could do any job that required
(33:35):
significant management in America today. I don't think he could
do the job.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Of a Walmart greeter.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't think he could stand in the front of
Walmart for eight hours and shake hands.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I legitimately do not believe he could do it.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Couldn't manage a gas station, couldn't do anything on this program,
couldn't do any job that we have at out Kick,
couldn't do basically any job in America, and that's the
most important job in America. But he's failed at everything.
So when you are arguing, the only thing they have
to attack him for is his mental fitness. Actually, no,
(34:12):
we can attack him for the border, for crime, for
war in Europe, for war in the Middle East, for inflation,
for the fact that your wages have not kept up
with the overall cost of goods in this country, which
is probably the single most important thing that people notice.
(34:32):
Everything that Biden hat touched has turned to crap. The
bidens touch. Everything he's been involved in is worse. And
I love Game of Thrones. Our crew pulled a line
from Taiwan Lanister, who was the dwarf in Game of Thrones?
Am I going to get a medal here because I
(34:53):
didn't say midget the dwarf the little person?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can you say dwarf?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Now? I don't even know they called him a dwarf
on Game of Thrones. He says, if you listen to
this cut from Game of Thrones talking about mental acuity
of leadership.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Any man who must say I am the king is
no true king.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Sorry, I have to play that again because they were
talking to me. I got them crossed up. That's Tyrian
who is the father of Sorry, Taiwan who is the.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Father of Tyrian? Is that right? Play it one more time.
Any man who must say I am the king is
no true king. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Anytime you have to argue that you are something, you
are in a tough spot. When you were arguing, I
am mentally on top of things. I'm mentally sharp. Seventy
five percent of people have already made up their mind
that Biden isn't so he's not going to be able
to change that. And if you saw the video I
shared this on social yesterday. He went to a Wawa
(35:52):
in Pennsylvania, tried to order traversly, couldn't close a box,
you know, like a donut box that you would get
if you went into Dunkin Donuts or something like that.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You just have to put the box in.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He couldn't do it, couldn't shut the box, and then
was trying to order a milkshake and wasn't able to
order a milkshake. Maybe they decided ice cream wasn't a
good look, so now he's going milkshake. This is two
straight days they've sent him into Pennsylvania gas stations. Two
straight days he's been ignored. I think it's an attempt
(36:27):
to respond to the viral video that Trump had from
Chick fil A down in Atlanta, and all it does
is further illuminate how out of touch Biden is. They
even left him in those sunglasses, like Buck has pointed
out that they do to try to keep you from
being able to see how vacant his stare is.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
It's really pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Speaking of crazy, when we come back, you're not gonna
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