April 25, 2024 • 36 mins
Audio and analysis from today's SCOTUS hearing on presidential immunity. New York union leader on why the rank and file is backing Trump. Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo on why some people are still wearing masks. Crockett Coffee and making babies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we roll through
the Thursday edition of the program. Lots to discuss as
Trump remains on trial in New York City. Lots of
construction workers, big Trump fans, a lot of positivity there.
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But I want to play for you the big story here.
And I went and read the New York Times coverage
just to confirm that, Yeah, the hearing went about like
Buck and I told you that it did. Because if
even the Supreme Court headline on the New York Times
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is conservative majority seems ready to limit election case against Trump,
such a ruling would probably send it back to a
lower court and delay any trial until after the November election.
So if the New York Times is telling you a
couple of hours later what Buck and I told you
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at the top of the show was likely to be
the case, I'm even more convinced that our analysis of
this is on point, because this is not what the
New York Times wants to write. This is not what
the New York Times wants to report. And Buck, I
pulled one line that I thought was interesting from the
New York Times article here, and I do think it's significant.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We're writing a rule for the ages.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Justice Gorsuch said, a lot of focus on Trump, deservedly so,
but whatever precedent is put in place here, the principle
of that precedent will apply for years and years to come.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And we've got some.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Audio that I think goes a long way towards establishing
exactly what I am talking about. From Justice Gorsa himself,
I want to start this is earlier today. What exact
presidential immunity might Trump have as it pertains to the
charges brought by Jack Smith? How do you draw that line?
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Where should the line be?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Gorsa talks about the history here and says, I want
to think about how this will apply going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Listen to Cut twenty four.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
The same thing in Nixon, we said, Gosh, Nixon versus Fitzgerald,
that's something court shouldn't get engaged in because presidents have
all manner of motives. And again, I'm not concerned about
this case, but I am concerned about future uses of
the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations
about their motives, whether it's reelection or who knows what
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corrupt means in fifteen twelve. We don't know what that means.
Maybe we'll find out sometime soon. But the dangerousness of
accusing your political opponent of having bad motives and if
that's enough to overcome your core powers or any other.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Limits fabulously well said Buck. I mean, that's gorsiic. I've
got a couple more I want to play. But this
goes to we're not just deciding Trump. We're deciding what
the precedent should be for presidents that will serve, hopefully
long into the future after anyone listening to this right
now is gone. Who's your favorite justice on the Court
right now?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's a great question.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'll just for me, it's Alito or Thomas, but occasionally
Gorsich gets to me kind of excited.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But Alito or Thomas.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think it's Gorsich because my and this is me
talking as a lawyer, and maybe it's a little bit
of a romantic thought, but what I like about Supreme
Court cases is not deciding challenging issues of today. It's
when they're so incredibly well crafted that two hundred years
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from now you could read them and you could say
this principle still applies. As a clarion call for liberty
along end of the future, and I think a lot
of justices get captured by the emotional winds of the moment.
For instance, when we had Soda Mayor asking questions about
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the mandate on the COVID shot and she couldn't even
get the facts right. Remember she said, there's like one
hundred thousand kids currently hospitalized with COVID and she they
were so wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Probably wearing two masks during the oral arguments. So that
tells well, I mean, and I think that factors in here.
It takes a particular type of intellect to be contemplating
not only what you're deciding today, but how that principle
will apply years in the future. And that, to me
is what the job of a Supreme Court should be.
And that ties in with this cut here Alito, who
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you just cited, well one one second before we get
to Aledo, I just to follow up on the on
the Gorsage point, there's a difference between what you want
and what is just right. What you want is in emotion,
it's at any moment in time, and that has to
do with outcome to your point about not just this
but future cases. It has to be able to stand
so that there is an understanding of where the guidelines,
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where the rules, the UH guardrails are for a future president.
Because if presidential conduct that is clearly presidential conduct that
you know does not involve some external breaking of law,
can be criminalized based on corrupt desire within the conduct,
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then you could have somebody prosecuted for any act as
president that you don't like as as soon as you know,
you decide to do so, right, I mean that, yeah,
this is the this is the real challenge. If you're
just going to read the mind of a president. You know, oh, well,
he he didn't pardon that person because he thought that,
you know, he should. Now, pardons are interesting, aren't they?
Because pardons are because it gets a little bit of
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a you know, what is the quid pro quo? But
you have to look at whether or not it's presidential conduct,
whether it goes to what the president's duties are supposed
to be. I think that Gorsich understands that this is
because it's the first time they're looking at it, because
the implications. They have to get this right, which is
why I think they'll take a very narrow and minimal
act on action on it. Now you have Alito my
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favorite probably Jeddie Thomas Cut twenty three. Here this is
important for those of you who are not students of history.
One of the I think most indefensible decisions of.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The World War II era. Everybody wants to debate now,
should we have dropped the bomb? That's been turned into
a big discussion. My answer is yes, it was a
right decision to drop the bomb on Japan at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, but we had containment camps in the United
States for Japanese Americans and it took years for the
court to come out and say, actually, sorry, we shouldn't
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have done that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I believe this is the lawyer. It's been a while
since the Boust.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The bar Kuramatsu is the case that said this was wrong,
and Alitos says, okay, let's look at the scope of history.
Could FDR have been prosecuted for putting Japanese Americans in
concentration camps?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Listen to Cut three twenty three.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Mister Sauer and others have identified events in the past
where presidents have engaged in conduct that might have been
charged as a federal crime. And you say, well, no,
that's not really true. This is page forty two of
your brief. So what about President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision
to in turn Japanese Americans during World War Two? Couldn't
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that have been charged under eighteen USC. Two forty one
conspiracy against civil rights?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Today?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yes, given this court's decision in Trump versus United States,
in which you know Trump versus Hawaiian Excuse me, where
the court said coramots who is overruled? And President Roosevelt
made that decision with the advice of his Attorney general.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, the point is a really good one. FDR
obviously died in Powder Springs, Georgia. Correct me if I'm wrong,
crew in nineteen forty four, right after basically his re election.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think I'm are good memory poll there, Powder Springs, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, I'm making sure that I'm right. But so, he
couldn't have been prosecuted because he died. But let's pretend
that in another world FDR lives until nineteen sixty four.
What if a prosecutor had decided after he left the
presidency as we now recognize Coramats who was the poor decision?
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Another good example I read in the Wall Street Journal
this morning. A lot of people forget Abraham Lincoln did
away with the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War.
He defied his Supreme Court and he said I can
put anybody in prison for any reason under my war
powers while the Civil War is going on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That said, it's actually illegal. You know, I think it's
actually illegal. I mean, you know, as much as we
all like Lincoln, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Know a while.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's the point here.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is is that even though it's an illegal act, and
we later find out the Supreme Court says that FDR
shouldn't have been able to do the concentration camps, where
do you draw the line?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
They tried to say, well, his Attorney General said this
was all right. I think we call them internment camps,
not concentration camps, I think generally, right, although I know
it's a similar just to differentiate, right, Yeah, Well, they
weren't killing h It's a good question. What is the
difference between a concentration camp and internment camp. But regardless,
they weren't trying to put the Japanese Americans to death.
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They were just trying to restrict them from aiding Japan
during World War two, and also there were restrictions given
to different a German population was so much larger it
was not conceivable to have done that. But there were
a lot of investigations into German American groups to see
whether they were loyal to Germany or the United States.
The reason why I bring this all up is where
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do you draw the line?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
She tried to say the Attorney General told FDR he
could do so. Well, that's an interesting argument then, too,
because then the argument is, well, if the conspiracy is
big enough, then you're telling me that there is no
criminal culpability. So if the Attorney General agrees that the
president's misbehaving, well what about the president found advisors to
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give him advice that he wanted to hear, because you could,
you know, buck, you brief the president when you're the
president of the United States, if you ask enough people
if you can do something sooner or later, somebody will say, yeah,
you can.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Do it, sir.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's even worse than that because in the government bureaucracy,
and I can tell you from the CIA, the DNI
office you name it, DA, NSA, NNGA will name all
the different agencies. You figure out a lot of times.
This is what people do. What the president wants to hear,
and that's what you tell him, because you're the one
that gets invited back, You're the one that has access,
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and you're the one that gets promoted.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yes, men get promoted. Yes men get promoted. This is
why positions of power is difficult to make good decisions
because eventually you get so powerful that everybody tells you're
a genius. And this is how the emperor has no clothes.
He's walking around everybody lies to him.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, My point on this is, if you really study history,
Trump will not be the last president that the opposing
political party will try to put in prison. And this
is why I'll give us ring the bell here a
little bit of praise you and I from the moment
they raided mar A Lago in August of twenty twenty
two and Alan Derschwitz, there's very few people who actually
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are staying committed to principle said.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This is an awful precedent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Because once you set a new principle, once you set
a new president, others will follow it. So as soon
as the FBI showed up and raided mar A Lago,
and as soon as these charges started. My belief is
the only way to really snuff this idea in the bud.
One is the Supreme Court. I should say there's a
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couple Supreme Court has been decent on this so far.
The other one is there need to be political consequences.
Trump needs to kick Joe Biden's ass to such an
extent that people out there say, oh wow, this wouldn't
have happened but for Biden trying to put Trump in
prison for the rest of his life, he was very
going to be the lesson in six months.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It is very hard to see at least what is
trending right now in all of the polls and not
think that at this point a majority of the American
people are rejecting. Wait you look, you look.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I just got a text. I want to apologize to America.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I thought it was power. Are we sure it's not
powder springs too? It's warm springs and it was not power.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Takeaway history nerd card for the rest of the time.
This is this is a shot across warm springs. How
dare you, sir?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think that powder springs and warm springs are the
same thing. It's like Antietam and UH and the UH
and the uh, and then the.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Sharps place next to it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well, it's like one. It's a river, and you know that.
That's how they name Civil War abouts. The North went
with the UH, went with the river closest or the
stream closest, and the South went with the city. So
you get like Manassas versus bull Run, and you get
Sharpsburg versus Antietam.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Sometimes they agreed because there wasn't water really close. It's
just Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I need to do.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, I'm gonna go to the I'm gonna go
to the instant replay here, but I apologize I did
get the year wrong for sure.
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
We have a guest come up in two thirty, don't
we yes, doctor Joseph Latipoe, who is the surgeon general
for the state of Florida, my homestate. We'll talked to
him about the protesters who mask. But before we get
to that, Trump was meeting with some union leaders today
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at NYC. This has cut ten and I thought this
was really interesting. We're going to talk to Mark Simoan
more about Trump's electoral prospects in New York, but this
has cut ten. Here's union leader Boss Bobby Bartel's after
meeting with Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Play it in the past.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
We are basically Democrats, all of us, and after what's
happened in the last four years in this country, they
Democrats are basically pushing everybody to the other side. We're
a very patriotic group and we love our country and
we want the best for America. We are tired of
immigration we're tired of our tax cut, dollars going to immigration,
We're tied of the crime. We need to put a
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handle on things in his country and bring it back
to how it should be pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well said, Yeah, and if you get, if you get
what I would think of as kind of the traditional
Union Democrats, never mind just New York. But it plays
like Pennsylvania, Michigan start to break for Trump. That is
a bit of what happened in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, it's a ballgame over for Joe Biden if that
were to happen, because again, you can look at the math,
and I said, I was a little bit nervous about
the way the math is looking. The gambling odds in Michigan, Pennsylvania,
and in Wisconsin are not great. Biden is favored in
all three of those states right now. Trump is favored
to flip Arizona and Georgia, but he's gonna need one more.
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It's gonna be super tight, and right now Biden's favored there,
which is why this is basically a dead heat election.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
If you look at gambling markets.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Klay Travis buck Sexton Show, we go
down to the state of Florida in general. There man
named doctor Mark Ladipoe who got almost everything Joseph Latipo man,
I'm trying to give him a huge, great lead in
got almost everything right on COVID and doctor Aladipoe.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
We appreciate you coming on with us. I know that
you are super busy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But what in the world is going on with all
the people still wearing masks all over the country. I mean,
what do you think now when you see a young
person still wearing a mask on an airplane flight, or
going in or out of a shopping mall or something
like that, or even worse, standing outside somewhere as we
see a lot of these protesters. As a doctor and
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also just as a human, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Well, it's it's complete mystery to me too. And actually
recently there's a doctor UCLA named doctor Catherine sterkeysing it
and she's a practicing doctor there and she did something
that I'm I'm so glad she did. She talked to
some of some of her medical residents, physicians and training
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who are wearing masks, and it turns out it seems
like some people they just like to hide their face,
which is a really sad testament humanity and where we
are right now with just how people have dealt with
all the stress and all the social media disconnection and
all the craziness. But they're part of the reason seems
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to be that some people like to hide their faces. Obviously,
some people are still afraid and think the masks is
going to help them, which is total nonsense, and that's
really sad. But there is this phenomenon now, it seems,
where people are trying to hide.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Doctor A.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Loipoe, appreciate you being with us, and we always deal
with the ongoing surprise. I think here that there has
just been absolutely not only a total lack of accountability
for people who got a lot of this stuff wrong,
but not even an admission of what were wrong. I mean,
the authorities in so many places in the government, specifically
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CDC and IH they still, it seems to me, officially
have a claim that masks do work. Where does that stand?
Like if I were to go on the CDC website
right now, are they still sticking by that or are
they just hoping nobody notices what is official official medical
apparatus guidance.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
It's very sad. It's exactly what you're saying. They actually
continue to advocate for masks wearing on the CDC's websites,
and they continue to ignore all of the clinical trials
which either show no benefit or such a small benefit
that it's not even worth talking about, and just they
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focus on these lower quality studies that show these enormous
benefits which are just completely fecious. And it's just so
sad and I can't wait we get that leadership out
and get some people who have more integrity into leadership
at the CDC.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Do you feel like any of the people who got
everything wrong are ever going to have to bear consequences
for getting everything wrong? And just to kind of reiterate
for people out there who have forgotten, if I remember correctly,
your story is you were at UCLA, You've got a
young family, you recognize that they were not in danger,
and you started to speak out, and that's how Governor
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Ron DeSantis found you, and he said, man, we need
this guy, and so you moved your whole family across country.
And so correct me if I'm wrong and all that,
because I do think your bio here and your life
story matters in that respect and how much better.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm just curious, do you think your family's life has
been as a result of that move that you made
from California to Florida, oh.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
So much better. And you know, California is a beautiful state,
a beautiful state. It is beautiful too, but California is
a beautiful state and they're ruining it. I mean, it
was terrible during the pandemic. By the time Florida was
you know, people were living their lives here in Florida
and we were still in California dealing with hospitals. Even
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right now, my friend doctor van i pissat at UCSF,
they're still masking in their hospitals. You know, the hospital's masking,
the uber drivers masking, all this total nonsense, the social
distancing crap. And you know, here in Florida, we don't
have to think we'll worry about any of that. And
we didn't have to do it, you know, two years ago,
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but we really don't have to do it now thanks
to the legislation that Governor DeSantis has pushed through and signed.
I mean, it's like it is dead, all that crazy stuff,
the crazy mask mandate, the vaccine mandates, it's all da
dead here in Floridas.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Being the doctor Joseph Latipo, his book is Transcend Fear,
a blueprint for mindful leadership in public health? What do
we do about the fact that, I mean, doctor Alaipa,
if someone comes to me and we're obviously having you
on because we think you and the state of Florida,
where I am a proud resident, are an exception to this.
But if someone were to come to me and say,
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can I trust public health authorities in general, and then
they laid out all the reasons why they may not,
I don't have any answer to that. I mean the
fact that there has been not only, as I said,
a lack of apology, but a lack of willingness to
deal with the data as it stands now, which is
irrefutable with the conclusion that masking is a joke. Lockdowns
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were horrible, School shutdowns were a terrible idea, no benefit
from it whatsoever. Vaccines didn't work nearly as well as
they said that they would. If they really barely work
at all, they won't admit anything. So why should people
trust public health? I mean, you wrote a book about leadership.
I mean, if I were president, I'd be like, maybe
we wrap the CDC and start all over.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Well, the rational thing to do of course is not
to trust them. I mean, why would you trust someone
who has repeatedly lied to you hidden information from you,
like how like when they haid information about mycronditis tenatus,
which is the ringing in the ears that happens after
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for some people and can be devastating unfortunately, I mean
really devastating, some people feeling like they can't even continue
with their lives because of this constant ring that they
experienced in their in their ears after taking these MR
and A COVID nineteen vaccines. So why would you ever
trust someone like that? That's completely insane, and it's a
double tragedy. It's a double tragedy because they do do
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some things correctly. I mean it's not in COVID, but
there are other things that the CDC does do correctly.
But because of all this, all this integrity that they've
spent and have no more of, people can't you know,
it is completely rational for people not to trust anything,
So people will miss out on the good things that
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they do while because they're trying to avoid the bad
things and the harms that they've done. So it's obviously
the sensible rational thing not to trust someone who lies
to you and who hides important information from you, and
who doesn't think that you are mature enough or have enough,
have enough station to make decisions for yourself about your lives.
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I mean, that is clearly the rational thing to do
in that type of relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm just curious, and again I'd encourage everybody to go
check out your book again, because you were right on
so much having to do with COVID. Has anyone privately
in the science community approached you and said, you know what,
I bought into the fear.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I thought you were crazy in twenty twenty and twenty
twenty one, but it turns out you were right.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Are you getting any of that behind this or do
you think the people who now recognize they were wrong
to support shutting down schools and wrong to support two
year olds getting COVID shots that had almost no impact
and kids having to wear masks in schools. Do they
all just want to pretend none of this happened. I'm
just curious behind the scenes, whether anyone has acknowledged you
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know what, you guys got it right in Florida, you
got it right with your medical diagnosis, or are they
just now not saying anything. What are you experiencing not
only publicly but maybe privately in the science community.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Yeah. Sure. So I've got a note right now that
I'm looking at and it really warms my heart. Let's
a PhD professor at a university, a large university in
central northeast north United States, who thanked me for, you know,
sticking to the science. And you know, she wrote a nice,
long note. I've never met her before, but it's a
(27:55):
sweet note. And I do get those, and those especially
when they meanciate them from everyone scientists are non scientists,
but especially when I get them from scientists. It gives
me some hope because sometimes I do feel like, oh
my gosh, you know, could I be wrong? You know,
I mean, I mean I'm out here on the on
the ledge, you know, alone or with very few colleague,
(28:17):
doctor Peter McCalla, doctor Harvey Reach, doctor Robert Malone. So
that does hearten me. But for the most part, and
I hate to say it, but it's it's partly I
think because of the because of the effects of these
m RNA COVID nineteen vaccines, most of the people who
who have to know that they were incorrect, they're just
(28:40):
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come to the president and come to reality and own
up to what they've done. And I do think that
it is at least partly due to you know, as
well as it sounds to these m RNA COVID nineteen
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an ability to think.
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for society. I think we should get into this a
little bit more tomorrow. You know, my brother, Clay, my
(33:56):
little brother, is in Japan right now. She says, is
a just a wonderful country to visit. I would love
to go. I would love to go too. I mean,
I think it'd be fascinating. Of It's on my top
five list of places I would want to go. Next,
he says, it's amazing and incredibly everything you think about.
It's safe, clean, beautiful, really just well organized and efficient.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
But he also says they don't have you know, you
look at the no kids. They don't have enough kids.
They're not having enough kids.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And they don't have immigration the way that we do,
which is a whole other component of the conversation. So
they don't really let people become Japanese citizens. Very hard,
very rare to do that. So they are demographically imploding.
We are close to having more deaths in the country
than we have births, which has never occurred in the
(34:46):
history of the United States since people maybe back in
like the sixteen twenties that happened, but certainly not since
we became a country. And this is really crazy and
scary to think about. And I just have an idea
for people out there to contemplate.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You are over forty now, men I think can take
more risks in career because for most men.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I was talking about this with my boys.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Mc jagger just had a kid and he's like one
hundred and ten, So there.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You go, we can have kids theoretically for our entire lifespan.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What's really going on here? If you look at the data,
is that women are being lied to. That's right, that's
what's happening.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Women are meen are being told, Women are being told,
you can have it all, you can go to school
until you're thirty five. I mean, the math just doesn't
add up, right, I mean the math doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I understand why women are also frustrated by the men
because men don't have the same pressures at the same ages.
A twenty eight year old guy might legitimately have never
really given that much thought to having children, whereas every
twenty eight year old woman in America has.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
This is a huge conversation involves policy as much as
it involved, rather involves culture, I think more than it
even involves policy, or the policy plays.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
A role in this.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But you know, there's so much Why don't We'll get
into this a little bit moaning to dining of this tomorrow.
But Americans need to be having more babies at a
younger age. And I say that with full awareness of
I am still trying to start a family later on life.
But you know I've seen and learned, and I'll tell
you this, Clay, I do not know a single person
(36:29):
at this stage in their forties, who says to me,
I wish I hadn't had kids and had focused on
my career. I could sit here all day and tell
you people who are sad that they didn't have kids
earlier and focused on their careers. It's a great point.
I've never heard it either. Have babies. We'll talk about
it tomorrow
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we roll through
the Thursday edition of the program. Lots to discuss as
Trump remains on trial in New York City. Lots of
construction workers, big Trump fans, a lot of positivity there.
(00:22):
But I want to play for you the big story here.
And I went and read the New York Times coverage
just to confirm that, Yeah, the hearing went about like
Buck and I told you that it did. Because if
even the Supreme Court headline on the New York Times
(00:45):
is conservative majority seems ready to limit election case against Trump,
such a ruling would probably send it back to a
lower court and delay any trial until after the November election.
So if the New York Times is telling you a
couple of hours later what Buck and I told you
(01:08):
at the top of the show was likely to be
the case, I'm even more convinced that our analysis of
this is on point, because this is not what the
New York Times wants to write. This is not what
the New York Times wants to report. And Buck, I
pulled one line that I thought was interesting from the
New York Times article here, and I do think it's significant.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We're writing a rule for the ages.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Justice Gorsuch said, a lot of focus on Trump, deservedly so,
but whatever precedent is put in place here, the principle
of that precedent will apply for years and years to come.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And we've got some.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Audio that I think goes a long way towards establishing
exactly what I am talking about. From Justice Gorsa himself,
I want to start this is earlier today. What exact
presidential immunity might Trump have as it pertains to the
charges brought by Jack Smith? How do you draw that line?
(02:12):
Where should the line be?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Gorsa talks about the history here and says, I want
to think about how this will apply going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Listen to Cut twenty four.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
The same thing in Nixon, we said, Gosh, Nixon versus Fitzgerald,
that's something court shouldn't get engaged in because presidents have
all manner of motives. And again, I'm not concerned about
this case, but I am concerned about future uses of
the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations
about their motives, whether it's reelection or who knows what
(02:45):
corrupt means in fifteen twelve. We don't know what that means.
Maybe we'll find out sometime soon. But the dangerousness of
accusing your political opponent of having bad motives and if
that's enough to overcome your core powers or any other.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Limits fabulously well said Buck. I mean, that's gorsiic. I've
got a couple more I want to play. But this
goes to we're not just deciding Trump. We're deciding what
the precedent should be for presidents that will serve, hopefully
long into the future after anyone listening to this right
now is gone. Who's your favorite justice on the Court
right now?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's a great question.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'll just for me, it's Alito or Thomas, but occasionally
Gorsich gets to me kind of excited.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But Alito or Thomas.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think it's Gorsich because my and this is me
talking as a lawyer, and maybe it's a little bit
of a romantic thought, but what I like about Supreme
Court cases is not deciding challenging issues of today. It's
when they're so incredibly well crafted that two hundred years
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from now you could read them and you could say
this principle still applies. As a clarion call for liberty
along end of the future, and I think a lot
of justices get captured by the emotional winds of the moment.
For instance, when we had Soda Mayor asking questions about
(04:18):
the mandate on the COVID shot and she couldn't even
get the facts right. Remember she said, there's like one
hundred thousand kids currently hospitalized with COVID and she they
were so wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Probably wearing two masks during the oral arguments. So that
tells well, I mean, and I think that factors in here.
It takes a particular type of intellect to be contemplating
not only what you're deciding today, but how that principle
will apply years in the future. And that, to me
is what the job of a Supreme Court should be.
And that ties in with this cut here Alito, who
(04:50):
you just cited, well one one second before we get
to Aledo, I just to follow up on the on
the Gorsage point, there's a difference between what you want
and what is just right. What you want is in emotion,
it's at any moment in time, and that has to
do with outcome to your point about not just this
but future cases. It has to be able to stand
so that there is an understanding of where the guidelines,
(05:14):
where the rules, the UH guardrails are for a future president.
Because if presidential conduct that is clearly presidential conduct that
you know does not involve some external breaking of law,
can be criminalized based on corrupt desire within the conduct,
(05:35):
then you could have somebody prosecuted for any act as
president that you don't like as as soon as you know,
you decide to do so, right, I mean that, yeah,
this is the this is the real challenge. If you're
just going to read the mind of a president. You know, oh, well,
he he didn't pardon that person because he thought that,
you know, he should. Now, pardons are interesting, aren't they?
Because pardons are because it gets a little bit of
(05:55):
a you know, what is the quid pro quo? But
you have to look at whether or not it's presidential conduct,
whether it goes to what the president's duties are supposed
to be. I think that Gorsich understands that this is
because it's the first time they're looking at it, because
the implications. They have to get this right, which is
why I think they'll take a very narrow and minimal
act on action on it. Now you have Alito my
(06:17):
favorite probably Jeddie Thomas Cut twenty three. Here this is
important for those of you who are not students of history.
One of the I think most indefensible decisions of.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The World War II era. Everybody wants to debate now,
should we have dropped the bomb? That's been turned into
a big discussion. My answer is yes, it was a
right decision to drop the bomb on Japan at Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, but we had containment camps in the United
States for Japanese Americans and it took years for the
court to come out and say, actually, sorry, we shouldn't
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have done that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I believe this is the lawyer. It's been a while
since the Boust.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The bar Kuramatsu is the case that said this was wrong,
and Alitos says, okay, let's look at the scope of history.
Could FDR have been prosecuted for putting Japanese Americans in
concentration camps?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Listen to Cut three twenty three.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Mister Sauer and others have identified events in the past
where presidents have engaged in conduct that might have been
charged as a federal crime. And you say, well, no,
that's not really true. This is page forty two of
your brief. So what about President Franklin D. Roosevelt's decision
to in turn Japanese Americans during World War Two? Couldn't
(07:33):
that have been charged under eighteen USC. Two forty one
conspiracy against civil rights?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Today?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yes, given this court's decision in Trump versus United States,
in which you know Trump versus Hawaiian Excuse me, where
the court said coramots who is overruled? And President Roosevelt
made that decision with the advice of his Attorney general.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, the point is a really good one. FDR
obviously died in Powder Springs, Georgia. Correct me if I'm wrong,
crew in nineteen forty four, right after basically his re election.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think I'm are good memory poll there, Powder Springs, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, I'm making sure that I'm right. But so, he
couldn't have been prosecuted because he died. But let's pretend
that in another world FDR lives until nineteen sixty four.
What if a prosecutor had decided after he left the
presidency as we now recognize Coramats who was the poor decision?
(08:32):
Another good example I read in the Wall Street Journal
this morning. A lot of people forget Abraham Lincoln did
away with the writ of habeas corpus during the Civil War.
He defied his Supreme Court and he said I can
put anybody in prison for any reason under my war
powers while the Civil War is going on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That said, it's actually illegal. You know, I think it's
actually illegal. I mean, you know, as much as we
all like Lincoln, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Know a while.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That's the point here.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is is that even though it's an illegal act, and
we later find out the Supreme Court says that FDR
shouldn't have been able to do the concentration camps, where
do you draw the line?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
They tried to say, well, his Attorney General said this
was all right. I think we call them internment camps,
not concentration camps, I think generally, right, although I know
it's a similar just to differentiate, right, Yeah, Well, they
weren't killing h It's a good question. What is the
difference between a concentration camp and internment camp. But regardless,
they weren't trying to put the Japanese Americans to death.
(09:33):
They were just trying to restrict them from aiding Japan
during World War two, and also there were restrictions given
to different a German population was so much larger it
was not conceivable to have done that. But there were
a lot of investigations into German American groups to see
whether they were loyal to Germany or the United States.
The reason why I bring this all up is where
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do you draw the line?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
She tried to say the Attorney General told FDR he
could do so. Well, that's an interesting argument then, too,
because then the argument is, well, if the conspiracy is
big enough, then you're telling me that there is no
criminal culpability. So if the Attorney General agrees that the
president's misbehaving, well what about the president found advisors to
(10:16):
give him advice that he wanted to hear, because you could,
you know, buck, you brief the president when you're the
president of the United States, if you ask enough people
if you can do something sooner or later, somebody will say, yeah,
you can.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Do it, sir.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
It's even worse than that because in the government bureaucracy,
and I can tell you from the CIA, the DNI
office you name it, DA, NSA, NNGA will name all
the different agencies. You figure out a lot of times.
This is what people do. What the president wants to hear,
and that's what you tell him, because you're the one
that gets invited back, You're the one that has access,
(10:49):
and you're the one that gets promoted.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yes, men get promoted. Yes men get promoted. This is
why positions of power is difficult to make good decisions
because eventually you get so powerful that everybody tells you're
a genius. And this is how the emperor has no clothes.
He's walking around everybody lies to him.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, My point on this is, if you really study history,
Trump will not be the last president that the opposing
political party will try to put in prison. And this
is why I'll give us ring the bell here a
little bit of praise you and I from the moment
they raided mar A Lago in August of twenty twenty
two and Alan Derschwitz, there's very few people who actually
(11:27):
are staying committed to principle said.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
This is an awful precedent.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Because once you set a new principle, once you set
a new president, others will follow it. So as soon
as the FBI showed up and raided mar A Lago,
and as soon as these charges started. My belief is
the only way to really snuff this idea in the bud.
One is the Supreme Court. I should say there's a
(11:53):
couple Supreme Court has been decent on this so far.
The other one is there need to be political consequences.
Trump needs to kick Joe Biden's ass to such an
extent that people out there say, oh wow, this wouldn't
have happened but for Biden trying to put Trump in
prison for the rest of his life, he was very
going to be the lesson in six months.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It is very hard to see at least what is
trending right now in all of the polls and not
think that at this point a majority of the American
people are rejecting. Wait you look, you look.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I just got a text. I want to apologize to America.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I thought it was power. Are we sure it's not
powder springs too? It's warm springs and it was not power.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Takeaway history nerd card for the rest of the time.
This is this is a shot across warm springs. How
dare you, sir?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I think that powder springs and warm springs are the
same thing. It's like Antietam and UH and the UH
and the uh, and then the.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Sharps place next to it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well, it's like one. It's a river, and you know that.
That's how they name Civil War abouts. The North went
with the UH, went with the river closest or the
stream closest, and the South went with the city. So
you get like Manassas versus bull Run, and you get
Sharpsburg versus Antietam.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Sometimes they agreed because there wasn't water really close. It's
just Gettysburg.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I need to do.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, I'm gonna go to the I'm gonna go
to the instant replay here, but I apologize I did
get the year wrong for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
We have a guest come up in two thirty, don't
we yes, doctor Joseph Latipoe, who is the surgeon general
for the state of Florida, my homestate. We'll talked to
him about the protesters who mask. But before we get
to that, Trump was meeting with some union leaders today
(16:23):
at NYC. This has cut ten and I thought this
was really interesting. We're going to talk to Mark Simoan
more about Trump's electoral prospects in New York, but this
has cut ten. Here's union leader Boss Bobby Bartel's after
meeting with Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Play it in the past.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
We are basically Democrats, all of us, and after what's
happened in the last four years in this country, they
Democrats are basically pushing everybody to the other side. We're
a very patriotic group and we love our country and
we want the best for America. We are tired of
immigration we're tired of our tax cut, dollars going to immigration,
We're tied of the crime. We need to put a
(17:00):
handle on things in his country and bring it back
to how it should be pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well said, Yeah, and if you get, if you get
what I would think of as kind of the traditional
Union Democrats, never mind just New York. But it plays
like Pennsylvania, Michigan start to break for Trump. That is
a bit of what happened in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, it's a ballgame over for Joe Biden if that
were to happen, because again, you can look at the math,
and I said, I was a little bit nervous about
the way the math is looking. The gambling odds in Michigan, Pennsylvania,
and in Wisconsin are not great. Biden is favored in
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Welcome back in Klay Travis buck Sexton Show, we go
down to the state of Florida in general. There man
named doctor Mark Ladipoe who got almost everything Joseph Latipo man,
I'm trying to give him a huge, great lead in
got almost everything right on COVID and doctor Aladipoe.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
We appreciate you coming on with us. I know that
you are super busy.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But what in the world is going on with all
the people still wearing masks all over the country. I mean,
what do you think now when you see a young
person still wearing a mask on an airplane flight, or
going in or out of a shopping mall or something
like that, or even worse, standing outside somewhere as we
see a lot of these protesters. As a doctor and
(19:40):
also just as a human, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Well, it's it's complete mystery to me too. And actually
recently there's a doctor UCLA named doctor Catherine sterkeysing it
and she's a practicing doctor there and she did something
that I'm I'm so glad she did. She talked to
some of some of her medical residents, physicians and training
(20:05):
who are wearing masks, and it turns out it seems
like some people they just like to hide their face,
which is a really sad testament humanity and where we
are right now with just how people have dealt with
all the stress and all the social media disconnection and
all the craziness. But they're part of the reason seems
(20:28):
to be that some people like to hide their faces. Obviously,
some people are still afraid and think the masks is
going to help them, which is total nonsense, and that's
really sad. But there is this phenomenon now, it seems,
where people are trying to hide.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Doctor A.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Loipoe, appreciate you being with us, and we always deal
with the ongoing surprise. I think here that there has
just been absolutely not only a total lack of accountability
for people who got a lot of this stuff wrong,
but not even an admission of what were wrong. I mean,
the authorities in so many places in the government, specifically
(21:05):
CDC and IH they still, it seems to me, officially
have a claim that masks do work. Where does that stand?
Like if I were to go on the CDC website
right now, are they still sticking by that or are
they just hoping nobody notices what is official official medical
apparatus guidance.
Speaker 9 (21:28):
It's very sad. It's exactly what you're saying. They actually
continue to advocate for masks wearing on the CDC's websites,
and they continue to ignore all of the clinical trials
which either show no benefit or such a small benefit
that it's not even worth talking about, and just they
(21:49):
focus on these lower quality studies that show these enormous
benefits which are just completely fecious. And it's just so
sad and I can't wait we get that leadership out
and get some people who have more integrity into leadership
at the CDC.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Do you feel like any of the people who got
everything wrong are ever going to have to bear consequences
for getting everything wrong? And just to kind of reiterate
for people out there who have forgotten, if I remember correctly,
your story is you were at UCLA, You've got a
young family, you recognize that they were not in danger,
and you started to speak out, and that's how Governor
(22:30):
Ron DeSantis found you, and he said, man, we need
this guy, and so you moved your whole family across country.
And so correct me if I'm wrong and all that,
because I do think your bio here and your life
story matters in that respect and how much better.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm just curious, do you think your family's life has
been as a result of that move that you made
from California to Florida, oh.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
So much better. And you know, California is a beautiful state,
a beautiful state. It is beautiful too, but California is
a beautiful state and they're ruining it. I mean, it
was terrible during the pandemic. By the time Florida was
you know, people were living their lives here in Florida
and we were still in California dealing with hospitals. Even
(23:17):
right now, my friend doctor van i pissat at UCSF,
they're still masking in their hospitals. You know, the hospital's masking,
the uber drivers masking, all this total nonsense, the social
distancing crap. And you know, here in Florida, we don't
have to think we'll worry about any of that. And
we didn't have to do it, you know, two years ago,
(23:38):
but we really don't have to do it now thanks
to the legislation that Governor DeSantis has pushed through and signed.
I mean, it's like it is dead, all that crazy stuff,
the crazy mask mandate, the vaccine mandates, it's all da
dead here in Floridas.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Being the doctor Joseph Latipo, his book is Transcend Fear,
a blueprint for mindful leadership in public health? What do
we do about the fact that, I mean, doctor Alaipa,
if someone comes to me and we're obviously having you
on because we think you and the state of Florida,
where I am a proud resident, are an exception to this.
But if someone were to come to me and say,
(24:16):
can I trust public health authorities in general, and then
they laid out all the reasons why they may not,
I don't have any answer to that. I mean the
fact that there has been not only, as I said,
a lack of apology, but a lack of willingness to
deal with the data as it stands now, which is
irrefutable with the conclusion that masking is a joke. Lockdowns
(24:39):
were horrible, School shutdowns were a terrible idea, no benefit
from it whatsoever. Vaccines didn't work nearly as well as
they said that they would. If they really barely work
at all, they won't admit anything. So why should people
trust public health? I mean, you wrote a book about leadership.
I mean, if I were president, I'd be like, maybe
we wrap the CDC and start all over.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
Well, the rational thing to do of course is not
to trust them. I mean, why would you trust someone
who has repeatedly lied to you hidden information from you,
like how like when they haid information about mycronditis tenatus,
which is the ringing in the ears that happens after
(25:24):
for some people and can be devastating unfortunately, I mean
really devastating, some people feeling like they can't even continue
with their lives because of this constant ring that they
experienced in their in their ears after taking these MR
and A COVID nineteen vaccines. So why would you ever
trust someone like that? That's completely insane, and it's a
double tragedy. It's a double tragedy because they do do
(25:45):
some things correctly. I mean it's not in COVID, but
there are other things that the CDC does do correctly.
But because of all this, all this integrity that they've
spent and have no more of, people can't you know,
it is completely rational for people not to trust anything,
So people will miss out on the good things that
(26:08):
they do while because they're trying to avoid the bad
things and the harms that they've done. So it's obviously
the sensible rational thing not to trust someone who lies
to you and who hides important information from you, and
who doesn't think that you are mature enough or have enough,
have enough station to make decisions for yourself about your lives.
(26:31):
I mean, that is clearly the rational thing to do
in that type of relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm just curious, and again I'd encourage everybody to go
check out your book again, because you were right on
so much having to do with COVID. Has anyone privately
in the science community approached you and said, you know what,
I bought into the fear.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I thought you were crazy in twenty twenty and twenty
twenty one, but it turns out you were right.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Are you getting any of that behind this or do
you think the people who now recognize they were wrong
to support shutting down schools and wrong to support two
year olds getting COVID shots that had almost no impact
and kids having to wear masks in schools. Do they
all just want to pretend none of this happened. I'm
just curious behind the scenes, whether anyone has acknowledged you
(27:19):
know what, you guys got it right in Florida, you
got it right with your medical diagnosis, or are they
just now not saying anything. What are you experiencing not
only publicly but maybe privately in the science community.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Yeah. Sure. So I've got a note right now that
I'm looking at and it really warms my heart. Let's
a PhD professor at a university, a large university in
central northeast north United States, who thanked me for, you know,
sticking to the science. And you know, she wrote a nice,
long note. I've never met her before, but it's a
(27:55):
sweet note. And I do get those, and those especially
when they meanciate them from everyone scientists are non scientists,
but especially when I get them from scientists. It gives
me some hope because sometimes I do feel like, oh
my gosh, you know, could I be wrong? You know,
I mean, I mean I'm out here on the on
the ledge, you know, alone or with very few colleague,
(28:17):
doctor Peter McCalla, doctor Harvey Reach, doctor Robert Malone. So
that does hearten me. But for the most part, and
I hate to say it, but it's it's partly I
think because of the because of the effects of these
m RNA COVID nineteen vaccines, most of the people who
who have to know that they were incorrect, they're just
(28:40):
unable to get out of that box and you know,
come to the president and come to reality and own
up to what they've done. And I do think that
it is at least partly due to you know, as
well as it sounds to these m RNA COVID nineteen
nact things. I think it's it's affected some people's way
an ability to think.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Joseph Fladipo, Doctor Surgeon General of Florida, Go buy the book,
Go read it. Transcend Fear a blueprint for mindful leadership
in public health.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
We appreciate all the times you come on the show
most Important, Buck and I we really appreciate the fact
that you were honest, you were forthright, and you've been
proven correct on so many of these issues.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You and both Governor Ron de Santis.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
Thank you, Hey, thank you guys, so much pinching for
you guys, do too.
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for society. I think we should get into this a
little bit more tomorrow. You know, my brother, Clay, my
(33:56):
little brother, is in Japan right now. She says, is
a just a wonderful country to visit. I would love
to go. I would love to go too. I mean,
I think it'd be fascinating. Of It's on my top
five list of places I would want to go. Next,
he says, it's amazing and incredibly everything you think about.
It's safe, clean, beautiful, really just well organized and efficient.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
But he also says they don't have you know, you
look at the no kids. They don't have enough kids.
They're not having enough kids.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And they don't have immigration the way that we do,
which is a whole other component of the conversation. So
they don't really let people become Japanese citizens. Very hard,
very rare to do that. So they are demographically imploding.
We are close to having more deaths in the country
than we have births, which has never occurred in the
(34:46):
history of the United States since people maybe back in
like the sixteen twenties that happened, but certainly not since
we became a country. And this is really crazy and
scary to think about. And I just have an idea
for people out there to contemplate.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You are over forty now, men I think can take
more risks in career because for most men.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I was talking about this with my boys.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Mc jagger just had a kid and he's like one
hundred and ten, So there.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You go, we can have kids theoretically for our entire lifespan.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
What's really going on here? If you look at the data,
is that women are being lied to. That's right, that's
what's happening.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Women are meen are being told, Women are being told,
you can have it all, you can go to school
until you're thirty five. I mean, the math just doesn't
add up, right, I mean the math doesn't add up.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I understand why women are also frustrated by the men
because men don't have the same pressures at the same ages.
A twenty eight year old guy might legitimately have never
really given that much thought to having children, whereas every
twenty eight year old woman in America has.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
This is a huge conversation involves policy as much as
it involved, rather involves culture, I think more than it
even involves policy, or the policy plays.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
A role in this.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But you know, there's so much Why don't We'll get
into this a little bit moaning to dining of this tomorrow.
But Americans need to be having more babies at a
younger age. And I say that with full awareness of
I am still trying to start a family later on life.
But you know I've seen and learned, and I'll tell
you this, Clay, I do not know a single person
(36:29):
at this stage in their forties, who says to me,
I wish I hadn't had kids and had focused on
my career. I could sit here all day and tell
you people who are sad that they didn't have kids
earlier and focused on their careers. It's a great point.
I've never heard it either. Have babies. We'll talk about
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