April 27, 2024 • 37 mins
Anti-Israel protests break out at more schools. Columbia Professor John McWhorter says anti-Semitism in college campuses is worse than anything any black student has faced on campus in 50 years. Sweet 16 women's college basketball coaches refuse to answer OutKick's question on whether men should be able to play women's basketball. Protest cleared at University of Texas, Austin. Fetterman rips pro-Hamas protesters. American sentenced to 12 years in prison in Turks & Caicos for mistakenly leaving 4 hunting bullets in luggage.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast Our three Clay and Buck here right now,
thanks for joining. The communists are coming. The communists are
coming in. They're swarming all over campuses, more of them
actually just in the last hour. Harvard, which you always
(00:22):
know if somebody went to Harvard, and a lot more
than that when they tell you that they went to
they went to college in Boston, like, well, there's dozens
of colleges in Boston, which which one? You know if
you went to be You or or Emerson or you
say that's where you went to school. But if you
went to Harvard, you have to make people ask the question.
(00:45):
If to act like you don't want to tell people
like where did you go to school? The university in Cambridge,
you know, not next to the Charles River. Yeah, anyway,
Harvard's campus is now the site of another one of
these protests, another one of these Palestinian pro Hamas occupy.
(01:07):
They got the oh I got the photos here. They
got the tents out Oh yeah, like a storming is
out there. Yeah, it's like an ad for an outdoor
camping store or something. They got a tents everywhere probably
some little cook stove stuff like that. They're ready to go.
And as we've said, it is lovely in the Harvard
Quad this time of year, so it's not that much
of a hardship. You know. You get to you get
(01:29):
the live stream, your fight against the man. Yeah, uh,
you know, smoke a little weed, call the cops, pigs.
I mean a lot of this stuff going on there.
But then we get a little sad because we go
over to Texas, a state we all love, love our
we love our Texans, great state, beautiful people. We go
down to Texas and University of Texas at Austin Clay
(01:52):
they've got one underway right now as well. Yeah, so
we've got more of these protests breaking out. I think
you're going to see a whole lot more of them.
It's an election year. These kids are all subject to
this contagion. Their professors have been filling their brains with
nonsense for years. But there is a professor I wanted
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you to hear from. Actually this is really interesting, Professor
John McCord, who I believe is a Columbia University professor
but also makes the rounds on the podcast Circuit Rights
for the Atlantic, and he is an intellectual. He's a
Black American author who questions the dei narrative and wokeness
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and all this stuff, and so he is brilliant, but
not as celebrated by the left as he would be
if say he was like the serial plagiarist president of
Harvard or something right, because you know, he's breaking with
the narrative. But here he is saying something that it
is going to get some people's attention. He is making
the claim that this is what Jewish students on campus
(03:02):
are being subjected to, provably demonstrably subjected to. Right now,
play is worse than anything black students have faced on
college campuses in America in fifty years. Play this clip.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The generation of Jewish students are going to be imprinted
by the fact that they feel persecuted, and they can
point to episodes of stark resistance, physical violence, near physical violence,
naked slurs hollered at them by people in real time.
All of that on campuses is becoming regular, and there's
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a whole contingent of supposedly educated people telling them to
shut up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Whereas, let's stay sick.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Racism on college campuses exists. But frankly, I can confidently
say essentially, no black student or fifty years has encountered
anything that stark. You have to work to find the
quote unquote microaggressions, et cetera. And yet anytime the black
person student claims racism, then we have to pretend the
college campuses are op eds of bigotry.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And Jewish students are watching this and they're disgusted, and
I would have to say, I would that's explicable. I
understand they're discussed, well said.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think it's really well said.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And again, this is a really important time, I think
to contemplate what standards for speech are acceptable and unacceptable.
And one reason why basically since the Civil Rights era
you would not have had overt racism against black students
on campus is because of the societal pressure. We've talked
(04:39):
about on this show before. If you were a kid
and you were caught on video using a racial slur
on any college campus in America, a white kid, if
you're a black kid and you rap along to a song,
nobody does anything. But if you're a white kid, even
potentially if you're wrapping along to some popular song today,
(05:01):
you could be expelled, You could lose your job, Your
basic entire future could vanish overnight because of one word
that you uttered on a video. There are major societal
consequences for saying anything that could even be perceived as racist.
I'm not talking about hurling racial slurs at someone buck,
(05:23):
I'm talking about rapping along to a Kanye West song
or some other song that is popular at this point
in time. That's how protective the speech is. When it
comes to black students, gay students, trans students, you'd be
kicked out immediately chanting death to Israel. If you chanted
death to black people or death to gay people, your
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entire life is basically over on any of these campuses.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh absolutely, And I would say this is it sounds
almost crazy as you say it, but then you know
it's all so true as it is said. If you
had the choice in America today of being somebody who
at sixteen was caught on video saying the racial slur
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that you know, you're never allowed to send or any context,
even if you're like reading from a manuscript or a
court record, right never allowed to say it under any context.
By the way, I disagree with that rule. Yes, we
abide bias because this is the rule ablide by it
because this is the rule. I disagree with that rule,
meaning the intent of a word always matters. Calling someone
a slur is wrong and should be punished. A word
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in any context being unable to be said by some
people is absurd. Actually, And by the way, Christopher Hitchins
completely for those of you remember Christopher Hitchins, completely agreed
with me on this. He was like, this is a
we should never have this thing of You can never
say the word to the point clay where people can't
in a court transcript say it. Okay, but let me
give you an example.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
By the way, my last book twenty seventeen, I quoted
Muhammad Ali. No you know person ever called me a blank, right,
we can't say lots of words to be fair on
this radio program, like we can't curse, like all sorts
of things. The publisher called me every there's not very
many curse words in my book, but they're all there.
(07:13):
And they said, hey, we don't think you can use
the in word in this book because you're a white guy.
And I said, well, it's a quote from Muhammad Ali.
And they said, we're advising you not to use the
word quoting him. This is this is wrong. We're not
going to we're not going to block out words like
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it's important. The context in which he is speaking matters.
So just to your example, this was only a few
years ago. The publisher contacted me and said, you can't
quote what what Muhammad Ali said because you're a white guy.
But you can also even just take it into this
this whole other direction for a second. I remember, I
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think it was professor Christakis was his name, and he
there was they made the there was this intellectual dark
web for a while. They called it of different professors
on campus, and I think some of them were, you know,
in earnest. I think some of that was just branding
and marketing for people who were saying stuff that conservatives
have been saying for as long as we've been conservatives
in my case, like you know, forty two years.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But anyway, you know, it wasn't like, oh my gosh,
these people came up with these new ideas, but some
of them were saying it on campus and there were
some conversion situation, so I get it, okay, But remember
Clay Christakis at Yale it was over costumes for children
at Halloween. Yeah, and and the Yale student body and
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the Yale administration. Yale's got these protests going on everybody.
I mean, this is the same entity they upheld the
standard that a like six year old dressing up as
a Native American Pocahontas, for example, a six year old
girl dresses as Pocahontas, she's a white girl. That is
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riggering and makes people feel unsafe. Therefore, Yale, the university
sent out guidance to please not don't have your kids
for professors. Really, this was don't have your kids dress
as anything that could be cultural appropriation for Halloween. That's
how Yale responds on that issue. And then the Yale
(09:24):
administrators and Yale professors are standing, you know, in lockstep
in many cases, with kids who are running around saying
death to Israel. Get the Jews out of here. They're
committing a genocide. They you know, control US foreign policy
and push us into this and that. I mean, the
stuff that they're saying is so aggressively bigoted and biased.
(09:49):
But they're making an exception because that's when that's what
John mccorter's saying. He's like, the rules are joke, friends,
the rules are a joke.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Think about how in that context for Halloween, people are
angry or at a six year old for dressing up
cowboy and Indian, then they are at a grown adult.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For pretending that he's a woman.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Like you're heroic if you dress if you're a man
and you pretend to be a woman, in the mind.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You're stunning and brave, even though you look like a
dude with long hair and too much makeup on. I
mean yes, and if.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
If you're six and you dress up as cowboys and
Indians or some other similar esque costume, it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But just also on the rules that we often live by.
If you were saying is it better and you can
do this with the whole range of things, better to
be caught on video saying the word that we're never
allowed to say at sixteen, or in terms of your
employment prospects, be accused of manslaughter killing someone outside of
a bar, you know, in a fight, It's far better
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for your employment prospects to be to be charged with manslaughter.
I think if you're convicted, maybe that's probably because that's
a fine. Here's an easy one. You better be a
rep mutation to be charged with manslaughter at sixteen than
to be said you know to say that word on video.
That's the contrary.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
If you're a college freshman, it would be better for
you to get multiple DUI's then be caught on video
using a racial slur. Well, no, no question, that's not right.
But think about how post is multiple DUI's. You could
have killed somebody. You got behind the wheel, not once,
but twice driving drunk. People be like, oh, you know,
(11:27):
you shouldn't have done it, but we'll still hire you
video using a racial slur. Your life is basically over.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We have racial power dynamics that are very very much
at play in this country, just not the ones that
the media pretends exist. And that's what the Jewish students
on campus are learning are finding out. Oh there's race
politics in America, it's just not what the media and
the professori professoriat on campus as it is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
You have been a pro for thousands of years if
you are Jewish, documented without question historically, you have just
six months ago had the biggest massacre of Jews occur
since the Holocaust. You can say whatever you want about
a Jewish person on any campus right now with no consequences.
(12:21):
And I think there are a lot of people out
there that this has been eye opening. I don't think
you and I are stunned by it. I think we
would have seen this coming.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But I think a lot of people out there on
the left who maybe traditionally Jewish Democrat voters, it's been
very eye opening and enlightening for them.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Even during the BLM era, you would have seen leftists. Again,
there are a lot of conservative Jews listening to us
right now. I was at a passover with my conservative
Jewish friends and neighbors a couple of nights ago. They
already knew this, right, they know this reality. But there's
this you know, the forty, no more than that fifty
or sixty percent of Democrat voting Jews in this country,
(13:01):
there's a contingent of them who are really hard left,
and you know they go, they would have gone to
say BLM protests, and still alongside some of these some
of these you know BLM organizers, and I just want
to tell them the BOM some of those folks are
incredibly anti Semitic, just so you know, they hate they
hate you. Yes, yes, I know that the conservative Jews
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know that, but some of the left wing Jews think that,
Oh no, it's all, we're all the oppressed people. No, no, no,
there's a hierarchy of oppression. And Jews are white as
far as the rest of the left is concerned. Jews
can argue that as much as they want, and some
of them are and we've said here israelis represent you know,
a whole range of ethnicities, skin colors, everything. But at
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the end of the day, the American left thinks that
Jews are white and white people are oppressors.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And that's how it goes. You're the colonizer, you're the oppressor.
Even when you're the victim, you are the aggressor. That
is the reality of how identity politics require you to
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
Buck. I wanted to share this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's up on the front page of Foxnews dot com
and it's up on the page of OutKick. You remember
we had the discussion about Dawn Staley, the University of
South Carolina women's coach, who said, Oh, if you're a
man but you identify as a woman, I think you
should be able to play women's basketball. We had the
staff at OutKick reach out to all of the schools
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that made the Sweet sixteen. We already knew what South
Carolina's coach thought, but the other fifteen schools, So the
sixteen most successful women's basketball teams in the past year,
and we said, do you agree with Dawn Staley that
men should be able to identify as women and play
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women's basketball? None of the fifteen other coaches that made
the Sweet Sixteen would even tell us their opinion on
that issue. I know it sounds crazy to a lot
of you out there. These are the sixteen most prominent
women's basketball coaches in America, probably the sixteen most prominent
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women's coaches in America period, and they won't even say
women's basketball should only be played by women.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Can I say that if I were one of their
consulgieri an advisor? Their best option is actually silenced and
it's sad. But from a career perspective, people say, oh,
but what about standing up for women and what's right? Yeah,
of course, of course, but right you agree any of
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them who say no, women's sports should be for women.
They may not have a job at a year, and
it might be quiet, there might not be a big
you know, to do about it, but there would be consequence.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think it depends on the state because I think
a lot of politicians could get involved. For instance, iowas
women's coach, not saying women's basketball should only be made
up of women would not I think it would actually
give her greater legitimacy as coach. Let me also say this,
everybody talks about how journal is supposed to.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Ask the questions.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Out kick is the only place in sports media that
would even ask this question. All these women are doing
public events all the time, they answer questions all the
time for media. Nobody else will even ask them. So
this is I think just kind of staggering of where
we are. The NCAA needs to come out Thursday. They
may come out with some rulings on whether men can
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identify as women or not. But the amount of cowardice
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Speaker 1 (19:06):
Wow, we got minute by minute updates here on these
campus protests going on. As we told you up at Harvard,
they now have their own pro pro terrorist protests out
on the quad and we're a little sad. Ut Austin,
I gotta say if I were people asked me these days.
(19:26):
And there's actually an article about this to Clay, don't
remember where it was, about how more and more people
are eschewing the you know, look, the oldest universities in
the country for the most part, are clustered in the
Northeastern United States, the coastal northeastern United States. It's where
the Ivy League is a bunch of other fancy schools,
and there used to be this idea, Oh, you get
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into one of them, your life will be easy. Let
me tell you, I know a lot of losers who
went to Harvard. I do. It's true. I know a
lot of a lot of very unimpressive people, a lot
of schmo's who go to Ivy League scho and not
not just the ones who go to Cornell because everyone
makes fun of them anyway, because they're they're like, we're
also an IVY school. I'm gonna get so many Agri
(20:09):
Cordelle emails over that one. But well, that's the great
Andy Bernard on the Office bit, right. That was why
it was so great. It's because people are always because
the other Ivy League schools are always like, yeah, I
guess Cornell's Ivy League. It's a great school. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But lots of people feel like they've made it when
they go to an elite school and then you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Come out and you're like, yeah, nobody really cares. Nobody
cares nobody. No, it's true, nobody, especially for undergrad nobody cares.
But there's this whole movement toward people looking at a
lot of schools in there in the Red States that
everyone's moving to because there are great schools where you
have better weather, better campuses, better overall experience. And I
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know Austin is very very blue. So please the Texans
always like Austin doesn't count. I'm like, no, no, I get it.
But it's still a beautiful campus. It's a great school.
I've spent a few I've walked away on the campus
there a few times. But they they had a protest
that started like an hour or two ago, and they
have am I right, you're seeing this? Have they already
just shared video National Guard in in Austin to clear it.
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They just rolled right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They were trying to take over the quad at the
University of Texas, as they have just taken over the
quad at Harvard. Is spreading all over the northeast, in
particular also in the West coast, and there's been some
talk my school where I went, Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Uh, there have been a few southern Red states.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
They were trying to take over the quad at the
University of Texas and they just sent in the full
cavalry and just wiped out the whole protest. They have
arrested everybody, They have cleared the entire They have cleared
the entire quad. If you've been frustrated at the response
that you have seen at many of these universities, Greg
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Abbott and the State of Texas said, yeah, we ain'te
playing and this A lot of these schools are not
going to have it happen anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Try this at Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You got no hope of the students will just roll
out and be like, screw you guys, Like we're tearing
down your campus squad protest.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You should be able to protest. I want to be clear.
You don't have the.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Right to put tints on the quad and take over
public property for your protest. This should have never been
allowed to happen anywhere. But Texas is saying this ain't happening.
This is what I think Ron DeSantis would do. This
is what I think Governor camp down in Georgia will do.
This is what I believe Bill Lee and Tennessee, Kevin
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Stitton Oklahoma. I could run through a lot of red
state governors that are just going to say now we're
not playing this game. And I give credit to Texas,
they may have to do it multiple times, because these
kids may get arrested, and they may get let right
back out on the streets, and they may come right back.
And it's important to mention. I do think this is
important to the extent we haven't mentioned it. Buck a
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lot of these people, I don't think they are even
enrolled at the university. They are professional agitators who are
showing up and trying to get into a tent on
campus and they're not even enrolled at the university. They're
just professional protesters. Same people who got all fired up
about BLM. Remember how they would pull in with trucks
and suddenly there's all this material that gets distributed, all
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these signs, all these tents aren't suddenly showing up by accident.
This is an organized attempt, probably funded by Middle Eastern interest,
if you or China, if you want me to really
kind of dive into where this is coming from. But
Texas saying we're not doing this, you know, we.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Had mentioned the first hour that there are I don't
know if we'd call them unlikely heroes but some unlikely
heroic moments that are coming out of this whole situation too.
And we had that caller last hour who said, I
appreciate you guys, give it to me straight. I'm aware,
Clay and I are aware that John Fetterman may be
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playing some for D chess here by making him seem
like he's reasonable on this because there's really only two.
There's crazy and normal on this issue, right, there's not
a lot of middle. Like, if you think anything about
what Hamas did on October seventh wasn't as heinous as
anything could ever be, you know you're crazy. So there's
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crazy and there's normal on this issue. And Fetterman is
going hard in the direction of normal on a regular
basis here on this issue. Here he is just straight
up chewing out some of these anti Semitic pro Hamas protestss.
This is seventeen player.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It's completely reasonable to want to cease fire or to
have a different view on that. Absolutely, that's a democracy.
But it is not appropriate or illegal or it's helpful
to advance your argument if you show up in a
scar but I mean a Starbucks with a bullhorn and
start yelling at people, and that doesn't make you noble.
(24:59):
It just makes I'm not suggesting that you have to
agree with our v my view, but it's just saying
it doesn't really allow you to disrupt lives and to
inflict those kinds of of of damages on people that
are just trying to get on with their lives.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, that that is the critical distinction. It's essentially what
you were saying in essence a moment ago, which is
if people wanted to gather peaceably with their with their
dumb placards. They do this all the time. I remember college,
the movie PCU, as in Politically Correct University PCU is
brilliant on this issue. Although I don't think PCU is
politically correct enough to be made anymore. I don't think
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you could get away with making that movie now. But
that's a whole other thing. At the time, it was,
you know, maybe a little bit on the edgy side.
It's a fun watch, I will tell you. But it's
just about these these campus activists, whether it's the vegans sorry, uh,
the the you know sort of the black student group,
the uh, all these different sort of remember them all now,
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all these different protest entities that are on campus that
are upset me. The feminists A feminists in the nineties,
A lot of fun with that one. All this stuff.
You know, if you want to make your point, you
can make your point. That's not what these people are doing.
And when you go into a Starbucks and shout at
people with a bullhorn, or even shout at Alec Baldon,
as much of a jerk as that guy is, you're
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the jerk. You are the jerk when you're doing that.
And even Fetterman knows it. So golf clap for John Fetterman.
You mentioned all that, Buck, and it took me back
in time. You can still look this up. Do you
know what The first thing that I ever had published
in my entire life was in nineteen ninety seven. I
was a freshman at George Washington University. You guys, can
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somebody can google this and pull it up. There was
a controversy on campus because a school administrator at GW
BUCK used the phrase rule of thumb and a about
the thickness of the stick that you hit a woman with. Yeah,
a left wing feminist chick.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
They had a protest demanding that the campus administrator be
fired because the language was demeaning, because Historically, rule of
thumb was what you could, according to her, beat a
woman with based on the width of your thumb A
rod and I wrote at eighteen years old, Hey, this
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is and I'm paraphrasing, this is absolutely ludicrous. Context matters.
The idea that you would fire anybody over this is crazy.
At eighteen that was actually considered to be somewhat of
a liberal opinion. Now it would be a conservative opinion.
I've stayed pretty much consistent. You can go look it
up GW Hatchet Student newspaper. In that controversy, I wait
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in so say whatever you want, make whatever argument you
want to make. Do not bring your friggin tent and
take over a university campus and think that you're going
to be able to do it. And I give credit
State of Texas Vanderbilt University, which is a private school
here in Nashville. Red states seem more open to being
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able to solve this problem than Blue states and blue
cities buy and large.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Do so far, and I hope it continues. It's just
going to be good for everything in these red states,
you know, the Big three of Texas, Tennessee, Florida in
terms of migration, but also in the schools. This is
going to be good for the schools in those states.
You know, in Florida. Ron Dea Santis just came out
and said again to clarify, if you block a road
(28:38):
as a protest, you're getting arrested and you're going to
be prosecuted. And he made the point that we've made
on the show many times, which is people need to
get to their jobs. People need to get to the
hospital ambulances get caught in that stuff, like the idea
that you could just shut down, you could steal hours
of somebody's life and put them through that frustration because
you're upset about climate change, your palace nine or whatever
(29:01):
this is. We are not a civilized place if we
allow lunatics to do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Now, I think it would only take putting, like passing
specific law and saying, hey, you have to go to
prison for six months, no expense, no no if sand
or butts. If you block a road for protests, regardless
of what your what your motivation is, in the United States,
you're going to jail. Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, sometimes you look at like things you get
automatic sentencing for mandatory minimums for Yeah, we talked about
this poor guy coming back from.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, do we have the audio of that to play
when we come back to close out and K Coast.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Look, I mean, you know, I know the Biden State
Department is full of a bunch of you know, gosh
darn communists. I know that. But maybe in their in
their hardened communist hearts, they could remember we got an
American American dad and husband who's facing twelve years in
prison for what is clearly an accident. He had a
(29:56):
couple of rounds. Uh, you know, he had a couple
of rounds ammunition on him when he was going through
the airport security to come home, not even to get
into the country. Yeah, not like he's going to do
anything to Turks and cacos. Is he trying to get
back to America. It was a mistake. Everyone knows it's
a mistake. They have a mandatory system now where they'll
send them to prison for twelve you for twelve years,
(30:17):
twelve years for twelve years, guys from Oklahoma City, where
we'll have the audio for you when we come back. So,
I think CBS News did a story on this just
I almost think it's a PSA for everybody out there.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You just came back from the Caribbean. He went with
his wife on a vacation trip to Turks and Caicos,
which I don't know the overall crime rates in Turks
and Caicos. I would think that it's probably pretty safe.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's it's pretty really, it's not. It's some of these
like Trinidad and Tobago is uh uh or Tobago.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I lived in the US Virgin Islands. I'm still licensed
there so far as I know.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Some of those islands actually have a lot of crime
for the size of the island.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But I would think Turks and Cacos would be more
like Saint Bart's where you just were, where it's very
But maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm play The only crime in St. Bart's is wearing
designer labels that are too ostentatious. They will throw you
in prison if your Gucci logo is too big. I'm
just saying, if.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Your wife's ring is not enough carrots, not enough carrots,
I think they might throw you in jail there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It does offend their eyes when you are not wearing
loro piano in public there. I don't know what that is.
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I want to play that audio that we just talked about,
because I actually I had no idea that there were
these kind of significant penalties that could ensue if you
went on a Caribbean vacation and happen to have in
your bag leftover, maybe some ammunition, maybe you were going
(33:03):
to shoot somewhere. I believe it was four shells basically
that they found in this guy's bag that were still there.
No gun, but he's facing twelve years in prison. Now,
Oklahoma City Natives, this is the story that aired, I believe,
on CBS News. The guy still in Turks and Kekos listen.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Possessing a gun or ammunition is prohibited in Turks and Caicos. However,
tourists were often able to pay a fine until a
February court order mandating even tourists in the process of
leaving the country be subject to prison time. Last September,
the US Embassy posted this travel alert online warning people
to check your luggage for stray ammunition.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I can't even begin to think that this very innocent,
recredible mistake would prevent me from being able to, you know,
watch my son graduate or teach him to shay behave
or take money anugh or to.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
You know, dances, a mistake that could land American tourists
visiting an island paradise in a prison.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Hell, this is did you know this at all? I
had no knowledge of this whatsoever. That you could be arrested,
you could move like twelve years. I didn't know how,
I didn't know how long. I know in other countries
they're psychotic about this. There was a case that I
made a big deal of as much as I could
at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It didn't have a platform. I do now. A guy
in d C who was hunting in Virginia and he
had actually a like a defunct shotgun shell, Like not
defunct is the right word. It was a basically a
misfired shotgun shell. And they found that in a couple
of no gun and they were looking to lock him
up for years in DC. So the psycho lives because
(34:40):
they hate guns, because guns actually represent freedom. They want
criminals to have guns and not don't punish the criminals
too badly because society, you know, people who shoot and
murder people, that society's fault. People who want to go
duck hunting, they're evil and they vote Republican. That's really
the baseline attitude. If we were a serious country, and
I hope that there may be are some you know,
state department uh, you know Biden regime state department people
(35:04):
that this will get, you know that that will come
to this conclusion. If we were a serious country in
back channel, we would have our State department call Turks
and Caicos and be like, look, you let this guy
come home to America or no more Americans are going
to Turks and Caicos And there are a lot of
islands end a story. It would destroy their economy in
(35:24):
a week, and we're gonna let them lock up an
American on some garbage like this. Please. It'd be one
thing if you had done something wrong or there was
some that the facts are not in dispute, it was
an accident, you're anyway that. But if we were a
serious country, we would do that. But because it involves firearms,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I would be tempted to figure out a way to
get if I were him, just to get on a
boat and get out of Turks and Caicos and never
go there again.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, I mean, I don't think we do think we
would extradite him. Do you think the Biden regime.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
But why didn't think I didn't even think about the
idea that that's actually a great question.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They may they would send him back. I didn't. Yeah,
you may be right. You may be right.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They might send him back because of his shotgun shells
that were in his bag, which somehow didn't get noticed
when he flew there. Remember, I mean, he had to
go theoretically through American TSA security and nobody notices, and
then he gets caught trying to come back. I mean,
that's awful. That's a Dad Oklahoma City story. I would
hope that the governor send.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Some of the senators. We got senators listening. Can some
of the centers here form relations committee? Can you step up,
please do something on this. Let's get this dad home.
I'd love to believe that they're going to get him
home soon. Here there's no crime, there's no intent, there's
no damage. You know, he's not the criminal that their
laws are trying to deal with. But again, play can't
(36:48):
trust the system these days. Man can't trust it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Common sense not very common in many different parts of
the United States and the world. Unfortunately, back tomorrow, Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast Our three Clay and Buck here right now,
thanks for joining. The communists are coming. The communists are
coming in. They're swarming all over campuses, more of them
actually just in the last hour. Harvard, which you always
(00:22):
know if somebody went to Harvard, and a lot more
than that when they tell you that they went to
they went to college in Boston, like, well, there's dozens
of colleges in Boston, which which one? You know if
you went to be You or or Emerson or you
say that's where you went to school. But if you
went to Harvard, you have to make people ask the question.
(00:45):
If to act like you don't want to tell people
like where did you go to school? The university in Cambridge,
you know, not next to the Charles River. Yeah, anyway,
Harvard's campus is now the site of another one of
these protests, another one of these Palestinian pro Hamas occupy.
(01:07):
They got the oh I got the photos here. They
got the tents out Oh yeah, like a storming is
out there. Yeah, it's like an ad for an outdoor
camping store or something. They got a tents everywhere probably
some little cook stove stuff like that. They're ready to go.
And as we've said, it is lovely in the Harvard
Quad this time of year, so it's not that much
of a hardship. You know. You get to you get
(01:29):
the live stream, your fight against the man. Yeah, uh,
you know, smoke a little weed, call the cops, pigs.
I mean a lot of this stuff going on there.
But then we get a little sad because we go
over to Texas, a state we all love, love our
we love our Texans, great state, beautiful people. We go
down to Texas and University of Texas at Austin Clay
(01:52):
they've got one underway right now as well. Yeah, so
we've got more of these protests breaking out. I think
you're going to see a whole lot more of them.
It's an election year. These kids are all subject to
this contagion. Their professors have been filling their brains with
nonsense for years. But there is a professor I wanted
(02:12):
you to hear from. Actually this is really interesting, Professor
John McCord, who I believe is a Columbia University professor
but also makes the rounds on the podcast Circuit Rights
for the Atlantic, and he is an intellectual. He's a
Black American author who questions the dei narrative and wokeness
(02:36):
and all this stuff, and so he is brilliant, but
not as celebrated by the left as he would be
if say he was like the serial plagiarist president of
Harvard or something right, because you know, he's breaking with
the narrative. But here he is saying something that it
is going to get some people's attention. He is making
the claim that this is what Jewish students on campus
(03:02):
are being subjected to, provably demonstrably subjected to. Right now,
play is worse than anything black students have faced on
college campuses in America in fifty years. Play this clip.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The generation of Jewish students are going to be imprinted
by the fact that they feel persecuted, and they can
point to episodes of stark resistance, physical violence, near physical violence,
naked slurs hollered at them by people in real time.
All of that on campuses is becoming regular, and there's
(03:38):
a whole contingent of supposedly educated people telling them to
shut up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Whereas, let's stay sick.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Racism on college campuses exists. But frankly, I can confidently
say essentially, no black student or fifty years has encountered
anything that stark. You have to work to find the
quote unquote microaggressions, et cetera. And yet anytime the black
person student claims racism, then we have to pretend the
college campuses are op eds of bigotry.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And Jewish students are watching this and they're disgusted, and
I would have to say, I would that's explicable. I
understand they're discussed, well said.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think it's really well said.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And again, this is a really important time, I think
to contemplate what standards for speech are acceptable and unacceptable.
And one reason why basically since the Civil Rights era
you would not have had overt racism against black students
on campus is because of the societal pressure. We've talked
(04:39):
about on this show before. If you were a kid
and you were caught on video using a racial slur
on any college campus in America, a white kid, if
you're a black kid and you rap along to a song,
nobody does anything. But if you're a white kid, even
potentially if you're wrapping along to some popular song today,
(05:01):
you could be expelled, You could lose your job, Your
basic entire future could vanish overnight because of one word
that you uttered on a video. There are major societal
consequences for saying anything that could even be perceived as racist.
I'm not talking about hurling racial slurs at someone buck,
(05:23):
I'm talking about rapping along to a Kanye West song
or some other song that is popular at this point
in time. That's how protective the speech is. When it
comes to black students, gay students, trans students, you'd be
kicked out immediately chanting death to Israel. If you chanted
death to black people or death to gay people, your
(05:45):
entire life is basically over on any of these campuses.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh absolutely, And I would say this is it sounds
almost crazy as you say it, but then you know
it's all so true as it is said. If you
had the choice in America today of being somebody who
at sixteen was caught on video saying the racial slur
(06:10):
that you know, you're never allowed to send or any context,
even if you're like reading from a manuscript or a
court record, right never allowed to say it under any context.
By the way, I disagree with that rule. Yes, we
abide bias because this is the rule ablide by it
because this is the rule. I disagree with that rule,
meaning the intent of a word always matters. Calling someone
a slur is wrong and should be punished. A word
(06:33):
in any context being unable to be said by some
people is absurd. Actually, And by the way, Christopher Hitchins
completely for those of you remember Christopher Hitchins, completely agreed
with me on this. He was like, this is a
we should never have this thing of You can never
say the word to the point clay where people can't
in a court transcript say it. Okay, but let me
give you an example.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
By the way, my last book twenty seventeen, I quoted
Muhammad Ali. No you know person ever called me a blank, right,
we can't say lots of words to be fair on
this radio program, like we can't curse, like all sorts
of things. The publisher called me every there's not very
many curse words in my book, but they're all there.
(07:13):
And they said, hey, we don't think you can use
the in word in this book because you're a white guy.
And I said, well, it's a quote from Muhammad Ali.
And they said, we're advising you not to use the
word quoting him. This is this is wrong. We're not
going to we're not going to block out words like
(07:34):
it's important. The context in which he is speaking matters.
So just to your example, this was only a few
years ago. The publisher contacted me and said, you can't
quote what what Muhammad Ali said because you're a white guy.
But you can also even just take it into this
this whole other direction for a second. I remember, I
(07:54):
think it was professor Christakis was his name, and he
there was they made the there was this intellectual dark
web for a while. They called it of different professors
on campus, and I think some of them were, you know,
in earnest. I think some of that was just branding
and marketing for people who were saying stuff that conservatives
have been saying for as long as we've been conservatives
in my case, like you know, forty two years.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But anyway, you know, it wasn't like, oh my gosh,
these people came up with these new ideas, but some
of them were saying it on campus and there were
some conversion situation, so I get it, okay, But remember
Clay Christakis at Yale it was over costumes for children
at Halloween. Yeah, and and the Yale student body and
(08:36):
the Yale administration. Yale's got these protests going on everybody.
I mean, this is the same entity they upheld the
standard that a like six year old dressing up as
a Native American Pocahontas, for example, a six year old
girl dresses as Pocahontas, she's a white girl. That is
(09:00):
riggering and makes people feel unsafe. Therefore, Yale, the university
sent out guidance to please not don't have your kids
for professors. Really, this was don't have your kids dress
as anything that could be cultural appropriation for Halloween. That's
how Yale responds on that issue. And then the Yale
(09:24):
administrators and Yale professors are standing, you know, in lockstep
in many cases, with kids who are running around saying
death to Israel. Get the Jews out of here. They're
committing a genocide. They you know, control US foreign policy
and push us into this and that. I mean, the
stuff that they're saying is so aggressively bigoted and biased.
(09:49):
But they're making an exception because that's when that's what
John mccorter's saying. He's like, the rules are joke, friends,
the rules are a joke.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Think about how in that context for Halloween, people are
angry or at a six year old for dressing up
cowboy and Indian, then they are at a grown adult.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For pretending that he's a woman.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Like you're heroic if you dress if you're a man
and you pretend to be a woman, in the mind.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You're stunning and brave, even though you look like a
dude with long hair and too much makeup on. I
mean yes, and if.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
If you're six and you dress up as cowboys and
Indians or some other similar esque costume, it's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But just also on the rules that we often live by.
If you were saying is it better and you can
do this with the whole range of things, better to
be caught on video saying the word that we're never
allowed to say at sixteen, or in terms of your
employment prospects, be accused of manslaughter killing someone outside of
a bar, you know, in a fight, It's far better
(10:51):
for your employment prospects to be to be charged with manslaughter.
I think if you're convicted, maybe that's probably because that's
a fine. Here's an easy one. You better be a
rep mutation to be charged with manslaughter at sixteen than
to be said you know to say that word on video.
That's the contrary.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
If you're a college freshman, it would be better for
you to get multiple DUI's then be caught on video
using a racial slur. Well, no, no question, that's not right.
But think about how post is multiple DUI's. You could
have killed somebody. You got behind the wheel, not once,
but twice driving drunk. People be like, oh, you know,
(11:27):
you shouldn't have done it, but we'll still hire you
video using a racial slur. Your life is basically over.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
We have racial power dynamics that are very very much
at play in this country, just not the ones that
the media pretends exist. And that's what the Jewish students
on campus are learning are finding out. Oh there's race
politics in America, it's just not what the media and
the professori professoriat on campus as it is.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
You have been a pro for thousands of years if
you are Jewish, documented without question historically, you have just
six months ago had the biggest massacre of Jews occur
since the Holocaust. You can say whatever you want about
a Jewish person on any campus right now with no consequences.
(12:21):
And I think there are a lot of people out
there that this has been eye opening. I don't think
you and I are stunned by it. I think we
would have seen this coming.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But I think a lot of people out there on
the left who maybe traditionally Jewish Democrat voters, it's been
very eye opening and enlightening for them.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Even during the BLM era, you would have seen leftists. Again,
there are a lot of conservative Jews listening to us
right now. I was at a passover with my conservative
Jewish friends and neighbors a couple of nights ago. They
already knew this, right, they know this reality. But there's
this you know, the forty, no more than that fifty
or sixty percent of Democrat voting Jews in this country,
(13:01):
there's a contingent of them who are really hard left,
and you know they go, they would have gone to
say BLM protests, and still alongside some of these some
of these you know BLM organizers, and I just want
to tell them the BOM some of those folks are
incredibly anti Semitic, just so you know, they hate they
hate you. Yes, yes, I know that the conservative Jews
(13:24):
know that, but some of the left wing Jews think that,
Oh no, it's all, we're all the oppressed people. No, no, no,
there's a hierarchy of oppression. And Jews are white as
far as the rest of the left is concerned. Jews
can argue that as much as they want, and some
of them are and we've said here israelis represent you know,
a whole range of ethnicities, skin colors, everything. But at
(13:46):
the end of the day, the American left thinks that
Jews are white and white people are oppressors.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And that's how it goes. You're the colonizer, you're the oppressor.
Even when you're the victim, you are the aggressor. That
is the reality of how identity politics require you to
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Speaker 1 (15:25):
Buck. I wanted to share this.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's up on the front page of Foxnews dot com
and it's up on the page of OutKick. You remember
we had the discussion about Dawn Staley, the University of
South Carolina women's coach, who said, Oh, if you're a
man but you identify as a woman, I think you
should be able to play women's basketball. We had the
staff at OutKick reach out to all of the schools
(15:48):
that made the Sweet sixteen. We already knew what South
Carolina's coach thought, but the other fifteen schools, So the
sixteen most successful women's basketball teams in the past year,
and we said, do you agree with Dawn Staley that
men should be able to identify as women and play
(16:09):
women's basketball? None of the fifteen other coaches that made
the Sweet Sixteen would even tell us their opinion on
that issue. I know it sounds crazy to a lot
of you out there. These are the sixteen most prominent
women's basketball coaches in America, probably the sixteen most prominent
(16:33):
women's coaches in America period, and they won't even say
women's basketball should only be played by women.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Can I say that if I were one of their
consulgieri an advisor? Their best option is actually silenced and
it's sad. But from a career perspective, people say, oh,
but what about standing up for women and what's right? Yeah,
of course, of course, but right you agree any of
(17:03):
them who say no, women's sports should be for women.
They may not have a job at a year, and
it might be quiet, there might not be a big
you know, to do about it, but there would be consequence.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I think it depends on the state because I think
a lot of politicians could get involved. For instance, iowas
women's coach, not saying women's basketball should only be made
up of women would not I think it would actually
give her greater legitimacy as coach. Let me also say this,
everybody talks about how journal is supposed to.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Ask the questions.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Out kick is the only place in sports media that
would even ask this question. All these women are doing
public events all the time, they answer questions all the
time for media. Nobody else will even ask them. So
this is I think just kind of staggering of where
we are. The NCAA needs to come out Thursday. They
may come out with some rulings on whether men can
(17:54):
identify as women or not. But the amount of cowardice
here is is really even still kind of staff to me.
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Speaker 1 (19:06):
Wow, we got minute by minute updates here on these
campus protests going on. As we told you up at Harvard,
they now have their own pro pro terrorist protests out
on the quad and we're a little sad. Ut Austin,
I gotta say if I were people asked me these days.
(19:26):
And there's actually an article about this to Clay, don't
remember where it was, about how more and more people
are eschewing the you know, look, the oldest universities in
the country for the most part, are clustered in the
Northeastern United States, the coastal northeastern United States. It's where
the Ivy League is a bunch of other fancy schools,
and there used to be this idea, Oh, you get
(19:47):
into one of them, your life will be easy. Let
me tell you, I know a lot of losers who
went to Harvard. I do. It's true. I know a
lot of a lot of very unimpressive people, a lot
of schmo's who go to Ivy League scho and not
not just the ones who go to Cornell because everyone
makes fun of them anyway, because they're they're like, we're
also an IVY school. I'm gonna get so many Agri
(20:09):
Cordelle emails over that one. But well, that's the great
Andy Bernard on the Office bit, right. That was why
it was so great. It's because people are always because
the other Ivy League schools are always like, yeah, I
guess Cornell's Ivy League. It's a great school. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But lots of people feel like they've made it when
they go to an elite school and then you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Come out and you're like, yeah, nobody really cares. Nobody
cares nobody. No, it's true, nobody, especially for undergrad nobody cares.
But there's this whole movement toward people looking at a
lot of schools in there in the Red States that
everyone's moving to because there are great schools where you
have better weather, better campuses, better overall experience. And I
(20:49):
know Austin is very very blue. So please the Texans
always like Austin doesn't count. I'm like, no, no, I get it.
But it's still a beautiful campus. It's a great school.
I've spent a few I've walked away on the campus
there a few times. But they they had a protest
that started like an hour or two ago, and they
have am I right, you're seeing this? Have they already
just shared video National Guard in in Austin to clear it.
(21:13):
They just rolled right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They were trying to take over the quad at the
University of Texas, as they have just taken over the
quad at Harvard. Is spreading all over the northeast, in
particular also in the West coast, and there's been some
talk my school where I went, Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Uh, there have been a few southern Red states.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
They were trying to take over the quad at the
University of Texas and they just sent in the full
cavalry and just wiped out the whole protest. They have
arrested everybody, They have cleared the entire They have cleared
the entire quad. If you've been frustrated at the response
that you have seen at many of these universities, Greg
(21:54):
Abbott and the State of Texas said, yeah, we ain'te
playing and this A lot of these schools are not
going to have it happen anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Try this at Texas A and M.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You got no hope of the students will just roll
out and be like, screw you guys, Like we're tearing
down your campus squad protest.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You should be able to protest. I want to be clear.
You don't have the.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Right to put tints on the quad and take over
public property for your protest. This should have never been
allowed to happen anywhere. But Texas is saying this ain't happening.
This is what I think Ron DeSantis would do. This
is what I think Governor camp down in Georgia will do.
This is what I believe Bill Lee and Tennessee, Kevin
(22:38):
Stitton Oklahoma. I could run through a lot of red
state governors that are just going to say now we're
not playing this game. And I give credit to Texas,
they may have to do it multiple times, because these
kids may get arrested, and they may get let right
back out on the streets, and they may come right back.
And it's important to mention. I do think this is
important to the extent we haven't mentioned it. Buck a
(23:00):
lot of these people, I don't think they are even
enrolled at the university. They are professional agitators who are
showing up and trying to get into a tent on
campus and they're not even enrolled at the university. They're
just professional protesters. Same people who got all fired up
about BLM. Remember how they would pull in with trucks
and suddenly there's all this material that gets distributed, all
(23:22):
these signs, all these tents aren't suddenly showing up by accident.
This is an organized attempt, probably funded by Middle Eastern interest,
if you or China, if you want me to really
kind of dive into where this is coming from. But
Texas saying we're not doing this, you know, we.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Had mentioned the first hour that there are I don't
know if we'd call them unlikely heroes but some unlikely
heroic moments that are coming out of this whole situation too.
And we had that caller last hour who said, I
appreciate you guys, give it to me straight. I'm aware,
Clay and I are aware that John Fetterman may be
(23:58):
playing some for D chess here by making him seem
like he's reasonable on this because there's really only two.
There's crazy and normal on this issue, right, there's not
a lot of middle. Like, if you think anything about
what Hamas did on October seventh wasn't as heinous as
anything could ever be, you know you're crazy. So there's
(24:20):
crazy and there's normal on this issue. And Fetterman is
going hard in the direction of normal on a regular
basis here on this issue. Here he is just straight
up chewing out some of these anti Semitic pro Hamas protestss.
This is seventeen player.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It's completely reasonable to want to cease fire or to
have a different view on that. Absolutely, that's a democracy.
But it is not appropriate or illegal or it's helpful
to advance your argument if you show up in a
scar but I mean a Starbucks with a bullhorn and
start yelling at people, and that doesn't make you noble.
(24:59):
It just makes I'm not suggesting that you have to
agree with our v my view, but it's just saying
it doesn't really allow you to disrupt lives and to
inflict those kinds of of of damages on people that
are just trying to get on with their lives.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, that that is the critical distinction. It's essentially what
you were saying in essence a moment ago, which is
if people wanted to gather peaceably with their with their
dumb placards. They do this all the time. I remember college,
the movie PCU, as in Politically Correct University PCU is
brilliant on this issue. Although I don't think PCU is
politically correct enough to be made anymore. I don't think
(25:38):
you could get away with making that movie now. But
that's a whole other thing. At the time, it was,
you know, maybe a little bit on the edgy side.
It's a fun watch, I will tell you. But it's
just about these these campus activists, whether it's the vegans sorry, uh,
the the you know sort of the black student group,
the uh, all these different sort of remember them all now,
(26:00):
all these different protest entities that are on campus that
are upset me. The feminists A feminists in the nineties,
A lot of fun with that one. All this stuff.
You know, if you want to make your point, you
can make your point. That's not what these people are doing.
And when you go into a Starbucks and shout at
people with a bullhorn, or even shout at Alec Baldon,
as much of a jerk as that guy is, you're
(26:21):
the jerk. You are the jerk when you're doing that.
And even Fetterman knows it. So golf clap for John Fetterman.
You mentioned all that, Buck, and it took me back
in time. You can still look this up. Do you
know what The first thing that I ever had published
in my entire life was in nineteen ninety seven. I
was a freshman at George Washington University. You guys, can
(26:43):
somebody can google this and pull it up. There was
a controversy on campus because a school administrator at GW
BUCK used the phrase rule of thumb and a about
the thickness of the stick that you hit a woman with. Yeah,
a left wing feminist chick.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
They had a protest demanding that the campus administrator be
fired because the language was demeaning, because Historically, rule of
thumb was what you could, according to her, beat a
woman with based on the width of your thumb A
rod and I wrote at eighteen years old, Hey, this
(27:24):
is and I'm paraphrasing, this is absolutely ludicrous. Context matters.
The idea that you would fire anybody over this is crazy.
At eighteen that was actually considered to be somewhat of
a liberal opinion. Now it would be a conservative opinion.
I've stayed pretty much consistent. You can go look it
up GW Hatchet Student newspaper. In that controversy, I wait
(27:47):
in so say whatever you want, make whatever argument you
want to make. Do not bring your friggin tent and
take over a university campus and think that you're going
to be able to do it. And I give credit
State of Texas Vanderbilt University, which is a private school
here in Nashville. Red states seem more open to being
(28:11):
able to solve this problem than Blue states and blue
cities buy and large.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Do so far, and I hope it continues. It's just
going to be good for everything in these red states,
you know, the Big three of Texas, Tennessee, Florida in
terms of migration, but also in the schools. This is
going to be good for the schools in those states.
You know, in Florida. Ron Dea Santis just came out
and said again to clarify, if you block a road
(28:38):
as a protest, you're getting arrested and you're going to
be prosecuted. And he made the point that we've made
on the show many times, which is people need to
get to their jobs. People need to get to the
hospital ambulances get caught in that stuff, like the idea
that you could just shut down, you could steal hours
of somebody's life and put them through that frustration because
you're upset about climate change, your palace nine or whatever
(29:01):
this is. We are not a civilized place if we
allow lunatics to do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Now, I think it would only take putting, like passing
specific law and saying, hey, you have to go to
prison for six months, no expense, no no if sand
or butts. If you block a road for protests, regardless
of what your what your motivation is, in the United States,
you're going to jail. Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, sometimes you look at like things you get
automatic sentencing for mandatory minimums for Yeah, we talked about
this poor guy coming back from.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, do we have the audio of that to play
when we come back to close out and K Coast.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Look, I mean, you know, I know the Biden State
Department is full of a bunch of you know, gosh
darn communists. I know that. But maybe in their in
their hardened communist hearts, they could remember we got an
American American dad and husband who's facing twelve years in
prison for what is clearly an accident. He had a
(29:56):
couple of rounds. Uh, you know, he had a couple
of rounds ammunition on him when he was going through
the airport security to come home, not even to get
into the country. Yeah, not like he's going to do
anything to Turks and cacos. Is he trying to get
back to America. It was a mistake. Everyone knows it's
a mistake. They have a mandatory system now where they'll
send them to prison for twelve you for twelve years,
(30:17):
twelve years for twelve years, guys from Oklahoma City, where
we'll have the audio for you when we come back. So,
I think CBS News did a story on this just
I almost think it's a PSA for everybody out there.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
You just came back from the Caribbean. He went with
his wife on a vacation trip to Turks and Caicos,
which I don't know the overall crime rates in Turks
and Caicos. I would think that it's probably pretty safe.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's it's pretty really, it's not. It's some of these
like Trinidad and Tobago is uh uh or Tobago.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I lived in the US Virgin Islands. I'm still licensed
there so far as I know.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Some of those islands actually have a lot of crime
for the size of the island.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But I would think Turks and Cacos would be more
like Saint Bart's where you just were, where it's very
But maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm play The only crime in St. Bart's is wearing
designer labels that are too ostentatious. They will throw you
in prison if your Gucci logo is too big. I'm
just saying, if.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Your wife's ring is not enough carrots, not enough carrots,
I think they might throw you in jail there.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It does offend their eyes when you are not wearing
loro piano in public there. I don't know what that is.
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I want to play that audio that we just talked about,
because I actually I had no idea that there were
these kind of significant penalties that could ensue if you
went on a Caribbean vacation and happen to have in
your bag leftover, maybe some ammunition, maybe you were going
(33:03):
to shoot somewhere. I believe it was four shells basically
that they found in this guy's bag that were still there.
No gun, but he's facing twelve years in prison. Now,
Oklahoma City Natives, this is the story that aired, I believe,
on CBS News. The guy still in Turks and Kekos listen.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Possessing a gun or ammunition is prohibited in Turks and Caicos. However,
tourists were often able to pay a fine until a
February court order mandating even tourists in the process of
leaving the country be subject to prison time. Last September,
the US Embassy posted this travel alert online warning people
to check your luggage for stray ammunition.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I can't even begin to think that this very innocent,
recredible mistake would prevent me from being able to, you know,
watch my son graduate or teach him to shay behave
or take money anugh or to.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
You know, dances, a mistake that could land American tourists
visiting an island paradise in a prison.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Hell, this is did you know this at all? I
had no knowledge of this whatsoever. That you could be arrested,
you could move like twelve years. I didn't know how,
I didn't know how long. I know in other countries
they're psychotic about this. There was a case that I
made a big deal of as much as I could
at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
It didn't have a platform. I do now. A guy
in d C who was hunting in Virginia and he
had actually a like a defunct shotgun shell, Like not
defunct is the right word. It was a basically a
misfired shotgun shell. And they found that in a couple
of no gun and they were looking to lock him
up for years in DC. So the psycho lives because
(34:40):
they hate guns, because guns actually represent freedom. They want
criminals to have guns and not don't punish the criminals
too badly because society, you know, people who shoot and
murder people, that society's fault. People who want to go
duck hunting, they're evil and they vote Republican. That's really
the baseline attitude. If we were a serious country, and
I hope that there may be are some you know,
state department uh, you know Biden regime state department people
(35:04):
that this will get, you know that that will come
to this conclusion. If we were a serious country in
back channel, we would have our State department call Turks
and Caicos and be like, look, you let this guy
come home to America or no more Americans are going
to Turks and Caicos And there are a lot of
islands end a story. It would destroy their economy in
(35:24):
a week, and we're gonna let them lock up an
American on some garbage like this. Please. It'd be one
thing if you had done something wrong or there was
some that the facts are not in dispute, it was
an accident, you're anyway that. But if we were a
serious country, we would do that. But because it involves firearms,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I would be tempted to figure out a way to
get if I were him, just to get on a
boat and get out of Turks and Caicos and never
go there again.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, I mean, I don't think we do think we
would extradite him. Do you think the Biden regime.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
But why didn't think I didn't even think about the
idea that that's actually a great question.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
They may they would send him back. I didn't. Yeah,
you may be right. You may be right.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They might send him back because of his shotgun shells
that were in his bag, which somehow didn't get noticed
when he flew there. Remember, I mean, he had to
go theoretically through American TSA security and nobody notices, and
then he gets caught trying to come back. I mean,
that's awful. That's a Dad Oklahoma City story. I would
hope that the governor send.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Some of the senators. We got senators listening. Can some
of the centers here form relations committee? Can you step up,
please do something on this. Let's get this dad home.
I'd love to believe that they're going to get him
home soon. Here there's no crime, there's no intent, there's
no damage. You know, he's not the criminal that their
laws are trying to deal with. But again, play can't
(36:48):
trust the system these days. Man can't trust it.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
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the United States and the world. Unfortunately, back tomorrow, Clay
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