May 3, 2024 • 36 mins
Montana U.S. Senate candidate, former Navy SEAL and businessman, Tim Sheehy joins Clay and Buck about beating Jon Tester and flipping the U.S. Senate red. Buck goes with favorite Fierceness in the Kentucky Derby. Trump speaks about Biden. Andy McCarthy on Trump gag order. Trump must win big enough for Democrats to think twice about lawfare in the future. Princeton protesters go on hunger strike.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour, Clay and Buck, get's going right now.
We're joined by Tim Sheehy, who is running for US
Senate in Montana, an absolutely critical fight against Tester up there.
Tim is a former Navy seal, founder and CEO of
an aerospace company and a lot of other great stuff
(00:21):
we'll get into here in just a second. Tim, appreciate
you being with us, first time on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Great to be here, Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So let's just start with it.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What what is what's pushing you to try to push
this guy Tester aside and become the next senator from
the great state of Montana.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, to be out, I'd rather be doing something else.
You know, I got a great business, I got four
young kids, and you know we live out in our
farm and ranch in Montana. So I'd love to love
to stay here and not have to waste my time
in the swamp. But the reality is America's at a crossroads.
And in summer twenty twenty one, you know, I watched
Cobble Fall and the most disgraceful, despicable, shameful, you know,
display of American idiocy in a generation. And you know
(01:07):
I fought there. My wife thought there. She was a
Marine Corps officer. You know, her brothers were in the military.
So almost all of our best friends, you know, we
went to the Naval Academy. We're in the service, served there.
I lost a lot of friends there. I was wounded there.
I mean, the list goes on. I mean the amount
of sacrifice that a very small sector of our population made,
as you well know, one percent joined and went. You know,
(01:27):
most of America was never affected by the war. So
those of us who went again and again and again
and had deep relationships there, were so disgusted to see
the way in which Joe Biden his Lackey's dishonored all
of our sacrifice and made a fool of our country
at the end of our nation's longest war. And you know,
I worked so hard to get friends and allies, interpreters
out of there alive, while our government did nothing. So,
(01:49):
you know, that experience really woke me up to the
fact that, you know, if good people don't get involved
in government, if good people don't get involved and try
to be part of the solution, we're not going to
get this country back. So that's why I'm doing it.
That's why I'm here and let's get to work.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We're talking to Tim Shehe he is the Republican nominee
in Montana getting ready to take on John Tester. For
people out there listening in Montana and certainly around the nation,
who are paying attention to what could be a race
that would flip control of the Senate, John Tester has
gotten by the past several cycles by claiming that he's
just kind of a moderate, middle of the road guy,
(02:26):
old Montana farmer who just tries to make common sense decisions.
The data doesn't actually support that he does that. For
people who might have bought that argument, Now that you
have dove into this and you are running, what does
John Tester actually do in office as opposed to what
he says he's going to do?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well again, I mean, you know, testers has two axe
he plays. You know, when he's in DC, he's a
loyal footsolder for Chuck Schomer and Joe Biden, you know,
and then as soon as he comes back to Montana
he throws on a Carhart jacket and walks around and says,
you know, he's working with Republicans to secure the border.
The reality is, you know, he's de rated by the
NRA one hundred percent planned parenthood. He's you know, ninety
(03:09):
plus percent voting record with Joe Biden. Actually, I think
it's more during this term. I think he's like ninety
five or ninety six percent. You know, this term. You
know he's voting. He voted against the Lake and Riley Act,
voted to let boys play girls sports, has voted to
continue funding illegal immigrant flights all over this country. And
you know, he's a loyal soldier for the left. So
(03:29):
he plays the game in Montana, and you know, he's
been able to survive, as you said, several terms. You know,
he's part of the Lucky Calender Club six, twelve, and eighteen,
all strong blue years. And you know Chuck Schumer and
Harry before him, you know, they dumped tremendous resources into
the state. They literally buy this Senate seat every cycle
because they know John Tesler can't win without one hundred
million dollars of dark money two in a million dollars
(03:51):
of dark money pouring into the state and protecting him.
And then finally, the last thing they do is they
have one tactic every election, and that's outright character assassination
and then smear at tactics on the Republican opponent. They
can never run on the issues of Montana because he
loses on the issues all the way down the ballot.
So instead they just savage the opponent with completely discussing
(04:11):
personal attacks, and that's what they're doing now. But the
polls are showing it's not working.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Speaking to Tim Sheehy, he is running up in Montana
for a Senate seat. And Tim, you mentioned your opponent
playing make believe. When it comes to wanting to secure
the border. What's your position on the border. You might
have heard Trump, I think it was just two days
ago in Michigan saying there's going to be major deportations
(04:36):
if he wins. A whole range of things. The border,
in some polls is the number one or number two issue,
depends on which polster you believe most. It's certainly top
of mind. What is your position when it comes to
the crisis we have now of an open border, illegals
pouring in by the millions.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What should be done?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
My position on everything, and this issue is no difference,
is common sense. No other country in the world, let's
happen what's happening to us right now? No one else
in the world. No other country says, Hey, millions of
people come in here, some of them probably good people,
of course, a lot of them very bad people coming
here bringing fentanyl, you know, bringing their gang ties, you know,
murdering people, literally murdering people and getting away with it.
(05:19):
We saw those kids in New York City, you know,
beating cops in the street and the next day they're free.
Let go. Meanwhile, we're arresting presidents and putting them in trial.
We have the resources for that, but we don't have
the resources to prosecute criminal illegal aliens here murdering Americans.
It's insane. So my policy is very simple, that border
needs to be airtight tomorrow. There's no excuse. We need
(05:40):
to stop incentivizing people to come here. And how are
we incentivizing. We're telling them when you come here, you're
going to get free clothes, free lodging, free food, free
air transportation around the country to a city of your choosing,
and there's no consequences. And you know, we as the
country have to get back to rewarding good behavior and
punishing bad behavior. That's what common sense is. Break the law,
you go to jail. If you're a squad in someone's home.
(06:02):
You don't arrest the homeowner, you arrest the squatter. And
across the board where you know up is down and
down is upright now, boys or girls and girls are boys.
It's insanity, and the border is no different. We have
to lock it down. I'm pro immigration. I want people
to come to this country the right way. I've brought
people to this country the right way to work for
my companies. But that's a big difference from bringing people
(06:23):
here the right way to have people pour into this
country who don't want what's right for our country by
the millions. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Tim Sheehey with us right now. He's running for Senate
in Montana, trying to flip control of the chamber back,
as his seat is one of the top targets of
both sides. Frankly in terms of the battle for who's
going to control of the Senate. I don't know if
you know the numbers yet, but I imagine that the
amount of money raised in a Montana Senate race is
going to be ninety ninety five percent out of state,
(06:52):
and that people in Montana are just going to be
flooded and inundated with the amount of money that's being spent.
How are you doing in terms of raising money from
actual Montanas and how much of the money that you're
going to have to fight against from John Tester is
going to be flooding in from elsewhere. And for people
out there who are listening and want to support you,
how can they do it? But I'm just kind of curious.
(07:13):
I mean, this is going to be one of the
most expensive Senate races. I would imagine anywhere in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This will be the most expensive race in American history
per vote, of any race, the most expensive race in
American history on a per vote basis, which is ridiculous.
It's embarrassing. You know, we need to have campaign finance perform,
We need to fix this crap. But that's not going
to happen before November. So in the meantime ten framt
dot com. You know, folks can learn about me and
about the race.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, we're getting outspent. I mean, Test is raising you know,
sometimes eight million dollars a quarter. You know, every quarter,
we're hoping to pump through two maybe three if we're lucky,
and you know, we're we're doing grassroots hitting the whole
state every VFW Hall every rodeo. But you're absolutely right.
I mean it is we're getting not raised three to one,
four to one, five to one, and outspent. I mean
there's a period of time there was million dollars a
week just peer savage attack ads on me, you know
(08:03):
nothing even talking about what Tester's doing, just made up
crap about me. My family are a tradable worker of businesses,
my military record, and that's what they spend their money on.
The money goes to do one thing, assault me and
my family and everything we've done. My wife and I
both served this country in combat. I was wounded in combat.
We've created hundreds of jobs. But of course they're turning
all that into evil. And what I've challenged Schester is, hey,
(08:26):
why don't we just have a race about the issues, man,
Why don't we just talk about the border and gas
prices and foreign policy and inflation. Instead, all he wants
to do is make up lies about us. But that's
where the money is going. We're getting outspent. You know again,
picked your week two to one, three to one, four
to one, five to one. But we're getting crushed, but
we're winning in the polls. The last poll that came out,
we're forty eight forty five. So the more money they spend,
(08:49):
the more people are realizing that sending John Tester back
for a fourth term to sell out America for another
six years is not the right answer.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You're actually favored. I don't know if you pay attention
to the polymarket, offshore markets for people out there who
are interested in investing. Your favored to win this race
right now despite what they're spending on against you. You
said something pretty extraordinary there that per vote, this is
going to be the most expensive race that has ever
happened in the history of the United States. What kind
of cost per voter are we looking at? What is
(09:18):
this race going to cost?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, you know, we got about seven hundred thousand. I mean,
you got a million ish residents in Montana. You know,
typical voter turnout, we'll get six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand. Obviously,
we're trying to drive more voter turnout because we know
that the people in Montana don't want boys and girls
locker rooms, they don't want open borers, they don't want
six dollars diesel. So we know that the people support us.
We just got to get them to the polls and
(09:41):
please everybody listening. You know, I assume you're conservative. You listening.
You know we're getting beat coast to coast ten percent
on voter turnout by the Democrats. You know, we all
want I want in person voter ID one hundred percent,
But guess what, that's not the law of the land
this year. We need to make sure Republicans get out
and vote early, vote by mail, vote, absentee vote, whatever
it is. Just make sure you actually vote because we're
getting crushed on turnout. And in Montana they're saying this
(10:03):
race could be two hundred and fifty to three hundred
million for six to seven hundred thousand voters.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Those are crazy numbers, exactly, It's insane. But you know
that's where we're at. And you know we're not going
to beat them on the money side, we know that,
but we got to have enough to fight back. You know,
I'm not going to be more more AMMO than I
got to be able to fight back.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Timmy, you got a big chunk of of You know,
it's funny because I think to people who aren't haven't
spent a lot of time in Montana and don't know
the state particularly well, it's it's republic It's a republican state,
right if you look at the the voting demographics and
party registration. But there's a big chunk of independence. Who
can swing it one way or the other? Right, isn't
(10:43):
Is that the breakdown in Montana? I remember someone telling me,
you know, Bozeman's obviously very blue, couple of other little
blue pieces of the state, then the rest of the
state's very red. Just give us a sense of how
that all comes together and how independence, you know, view
this race, and why you think you're able to get
more of them.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, no, thank you for asking that, because you're absolutely right.
There's an oversimplification of what people think Montana is politically.
You know, they say, well, they're a big square, empty
western state, so they must be deep red. And the
fact is it's far more complex than that. I mean, yes,
Trump won the state by twenty points, you know, seventeen points,
you know, landslide the state. But the reality is just
(11:21):
nine years ago here in Montana, you know, seven out
of eight state wide elected offices were Democrats and today
eight of nine are Republicans. And that just shows the
shift the state has not changed. What's changed is the
Democrat Party has left the state. You know, the Democrats
of Montana. Of course, yes, you have your you know,
pro Hamas Palestinian lefty loonies on the college campuses. But
the traditional Montana Democrats were union, they were labor, they
(11:44):
were you know, they were back when you could still
have a Democrat that was pro gun, pro cop pro border,
pro life democrat. You know, that doesn't really exist anymore.
And those people in Montana have said, man, this part
of that used to support my grandfather's mining union, pipe
fitters union. Uh, you know, like they're not. They're not.
They're not standing up for the white working class, blue
(12:05):
collar guy anymore. You know, they're selling us out. And
so that's been the big shift. And and you know
all the other common misconceptions of folks coming into the state,
especially during COVID, you know, they see the so Yellowstone, like, oh,
I everyone's a liberal Californian parachuting into Montana making it blue.
And that's actually incorrect. Most of the people coming here
are political refugees fleeing Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, San Francisco, La,
(12:27):
saying I'm getting away from this craziness. I'm getting away from,
you know, homelessness and crime and crazy taxes, and I'm
going to move to a state where I'm going to
be free and and they're they're bringing those values here.
And that's another reason why why we're seeing the states
solidify red. So there is that there is an independent swing,
and I wouldn't quite call it independent, It's more of
(12:47):
a libertarian swing. Here in Montana. We do have a
lot of folks that their mindset is, hey, less government's
better government, and I can't disagree with that one bit.
You know, their outlook is really, I don't really care
what party, just stay out of my curios, don't bother me,
and go home. And I think those folks, of course,
there's only one party now that even mentions smaller government,
(13:07):
that even mentions restricting the power of our federal government.
And we know which part of that is. So I
think that kind of libertarian position has drifted to the
right here in these last few years, especially especially during
and after COVID, when we saw the greatest trampling of
our constitutional rights in the history of this country.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Tim four mt dot com is where you can go
to help out and pitch in, Tim Sheehy, we are
certainly rooting for you here. Thank you for your service
to the country, and thank you for joining us on
the show.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Thanks you, Tom. We'll be back the other time.
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the Kentucky Derby. Buck. Have you done any research yet
on your horses to pick? Are you aware of the
(15:35):
of the I've got? Honestly, I've got a bunch of
stuff to read tonight from a bunch of my buddies
who love to bet horses. That know I'm going and
they sent I've got I'm gonna I'm gonna have a
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we actually get to uh get to horse. Is this?
When I share my pick, you should probably save it.
(15:58):
We probably save it for the end of that. Well,
I don't know. You want to give your pick now,
I don't know. I tell me, but yeah, you got.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm just going I'm going with uh, with the favor.
I'm going with fierceness. I'm not messing around. I'm going
with fierceness.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So you're going chalk. What is the payout on the
favorite right now? I know it's going to fluctuate when
it comes to actual uh, when it comes to the
actual rate. When I'm going chalk, what does that even mean?
Chalk means you're picking a favorite. I didn't know. So
you're you'd never heard that phrase before?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Nope, So, yeah, I thought we were talking about the
best supplement brand out there. All of a sudden, I'm like, wait,
that's a different spelling, a different chalk. Okay, Yeah, I'm
going with fierceness. This is a cool name. And that's
that's how much I know about horse racing. I base
it on the name.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I am pulling up right now, the absolute latest odds
as they go. And you are some of this stuff,
I will say, when you go through and you look
at at Google Search, Am I crazy? Or has Google
Search gotten aggressively worse over like the last five to
seven years? Very reliant, It's definitely got more progressive. Fierceness
(17:08):
is five to two, so you're getting a little two
and a half to one basically on the payout.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
If I bet one hundred dollars on Fierceness because of
my deep faith in Fierceness's breeding and training program and
all the fancy horse stuff that I know nothing about,
what do I get if I bet one hundred dollars
in Fierceness.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You'll get two fifty back on top of your one
hundred dollars bet. So, oh that's great. Yeah, I'm very
I'm in for one hundred dolls. I'm gonna be buying
the mint juliups after this one, my friend, you'll only
be able to buy like three mint julips because they're
twenty five bucks each. By the way, Sierra Leone would
not have expected a horse in Kentucky to be named
after Sierra leone three to one. Those are the two
(17:49):
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Let's check in onn't and Trump here for a second
and see how he's doing, how he's feeling. He spoke
before court today. Court back in session on this Friday.
They have Wednesdays off during this absurd trial. But here
he is probably not surprising for any of you to
(19:18):
hear that he is unimpressed by the Biden numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
This is five.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
The job numbers just came out and they're horrible, and
they're very and I say that not happily. They say
that's very unhappily. But the numbers are horrible. It's just
these people are destroying our country. Here is another sign
of it. So, as you probably know before I did,
the job numbers came out of there, really really though,
really man. Our economy's man. And now it's stunding Michow.
(19:47):
So you'll see, and it'll only get worse. It'll only
get worse. So we're only going one away with the
so called leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
There is an a leadership.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I think if the Biden economy, if it even just
continues in this stall that it feels like it's in
right now, Clay, another headwind that they just can't afford
right now going into the election. I think it'll affect
Democrats up and down the ballot across the board. But
this was interesting as well. We've discussed this a bit.
Andy McCarthy, our buddy. Well, let's get Andy on next
(20:19):
week to address some of these things. Talk to him
claik and talk some smack over base isn't baseball happening now?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Baseball season is underway? Also, I need to have Andy
tell me. Remember they still want me arrested for jury tampering,
although that seems to have died down. Who the best
criminal defense attorney? I should go ahead and retain in
New York to make sure that I can be defended.
Is I haven't forgotten about that yet. I thought they
had let that go. They're still bothering you come now
and then I'm still getting still getting messages letting me
(20:45):
know that I'm going to be headed to Rikers Island.
Then I should prepare to spend a lot of time
in prison. I know some NYPD guys well, we'll come
visit you. It'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So here is McCarthy though, this is really interesting because
it does raise, first of all, the ultimate question here
is what's the point of all these trials if there's
really going to be no punishment for Trump, even if
he's convicted, if it is just for politics. I don't
think anybody cares if he gets convicted. In need, We've
thought that all along. The conviction alone in New York
is almost certainly not going to do anything. And so
(21:17):
if they're not going to put him in jail and
nothing's really going to happen to him, what are they
even doing?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
But on the.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gag order issue as well, remember they're trying to say
Trump can't speak about people involved in the trial. They
can speak about him somehow outside the trial, but he
can't speak about them.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Andy here arguing.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That basically the judge is too shook, as they would say,
too scared to put Trump in jail for violating the
gag order. This is seven play it.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
He's fighting this politic The trial is one thing. The
gag order stuff is all about the politics of the campaign.
And I must say I think that Judge march On
understands that putting Trump in jail, which he can do
for up to thirty days, for any violation of the
gag Order, would be a catastrophe politically for Democrats. So
he's finding him a thousand dollars every time there's no
(22:06):
doubt that there are violations of the gag order. I
think the gag Order is unconstitutional, but that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Ship has sailed.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
If I were Trump, I'd be tempted to just give
Judge march On a check for about ten thousand dollars
every Monday and say this is for this week's violations
and just go do what he's gonna do, because I
don't think he'll put him in jail.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh man, can you assuming that's true? I just think
it would be funny if Trump came to the courthouse
with one of those big oversized checks, you know, like
you get when you win a sweepstakes, and he just announced, Hey,
I want everybody to know I think this gag Order
is unconstitutional, but nothing is going to stop me from
saying what I need to say to win this election.
(22:44):
And therefore I am going to go ahead in pre
deposit fines and here is and like written on it,
Judge merchants a.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Big beautiful check because he's a communist, he's a terrible judge, unfair,
violating my constitutional So we brought him ten thousand dollars
ten thousand dollars per week.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
There you go. Just go ahead and get the tab started. Yeah,
you just take it off my tab. I'm gonna go
ahead and give you twenty k because you're finding me nine.
But I know there's gonna be another ten or eleven coming.
I just want you to have it so you can
just go take it out of the kiddy whenever you
need it. That would be a pretty remarkable move by Trump.
And I think what Andy McCarthy is hitting on is
something we've said on this show for some time. And
(23:27):
the analogy I made, and a lot of you actually
knew what I was talking about. Some of you thought
I was crazy. My prayer rabbit analogy. Great analogy. Trump
throwing in the patch. Trump wants to get thrown in
the briar patch, and yet he's out there saying, oh, please,
don't throw me into the brier patch. Preeze, don't and
then they throw him in there. Rabbits love being in
the briar patch. Trump would benefit tremendously from I think
(23:50):
the video of him being put in Riker's Island or
wherever the jail for purposes of just saying what he
needs to say. He believes to win a pull it campaign.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
What do you think of the chances at some point
in the weeks ahead, when the judge is announcing in
another violation the gag where Trump just says.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Put it on my tab, the amazing line, I think
you should go for it. I think you should there.
It would be a tremendous response to say put it
on his tab. And look, we had Marx Simon on
last Week Friday a week ago, and he said that
he thought Trump could win New York. Boldest prediction. I
think that we've had on the show in some time.
(24:28):
Marx Simone knows New York, as you have said, Monster
Audience on wor leading into us. When I watched Trump
deliver the pizzas to the fireman yesterday after being in
the court all day, I couldn't help but think how
incredibly skilled Trump is at moments like that. He's done
(24:51):
it now with the construction crew in New York City.
He did it when he went to the Harlem Badega
they're gonna set up I think some sort of large
rally in New York City at some time. I would
imagine he'll have an interaction with New York policeman at
some point as well, where he goes and delivers pizza
to them. But that moment with the fireman, it would
(25:11):
be the ultimate own goal, the ultimate self inflicted wound.
If by putting him on trial in New York City,
suddenly Trump is able to put New York even in
the van, even in the possibility of a play. Remember
again we talked about to spend money.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
If he makes them even spend money in New York
at all or any time in New York, it's a win.
This is what Democrats always try to do with Texas, right.
They just use it as a right now to try
to expand expand the battlefield, expand the battle space a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I just say the best way.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know, we talk a lot about the breaking of
of precedent and and the setting of precedent. That is
going to have bad implications, I think politically for the
country long after Trump is gone from the political scene.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I think the.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Only one of the only ways that you can counteract
that would be the kind of repudiation politically that you'd
get if Donald Trump won New York after being tried there,
and maybe even I don't know. I don't think they're
going to put him in jail even for a day.
But you know that is I'm not saying it's going
(26:27):
to happen. But that's the way that you said a
different kind of president, which is the American people see
through this kind of thing for what it is, and
they will punish you at the ballot box.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
All there really is at this point. None of the people.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That are are the nemeses of Trump in this None
of the people that are abusing the law that are
doing all they're doing this constant game of oh, we're
protecting institutions by basically subverting institutions and going after Trumpy.
They're not going to be punished. I don't think anybody
should be under any belief that there's going to be
(27:03):
prosecutors fired and bad things are gonna happen to them. No,
nothing's gonna happen to them. The only way that there's
some measure of justice here is you get a big
enough win for Trump in enough places and the Republicans
that Democrats will think twice about doing this in the future.
I can assure you if Joe Biden wins, this then
becomes a part of the playbook what they're doing right now,
they will do it to other Republicans definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And that's why I would say, if you're listening to
us and you're on the fence, I understand a lot
of people don't like Trump or Biden, and I bet
there's not an insubstantial number of you listening to us
right now. You were to say Atis people, you were
nicky Haley people, maybe you're RFK junior people because you
just really don't like Trump and you don't like Biden.
(27:47):
That's not in substantial. Wait, a quarter, probably thirty percent
of the United States, I would say, is in that
camp right now, not a big fan of either guy.
If you are making a decision between the two, the
idea of putting your chief political opponent in prison for
the rest of his life if Democrats win, will become
(28:09):
a feature of campaign playbooks in the future. Trump will
not be the last person to face this kind of
lawfair if he wins. And by the way, I think
the idea of doing this is awful regardless of whether
Democrats or Republicans were doing it. I think it's an
awful precedent. If Trump wins, I think there'll be a
lot of people saying Biden blew it, Democrats blew it
(28:31):
because they won't give Trump credit, and a lot of
them will look at this law fair and they'll say
it failed. And I think they'll also say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I was gonna say. I think they're gonna go they're
not going to accept that he won, No way.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Oh well, they're going to say, He'll say it is
Russia China collusion. They'll they'll come up with a des
why it really needs to be that. That's why, Honestly,
I would it marks some margin that they have.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But if it's if it's tight, if it's they're gonna
say and they're gonna say, well, look what Trump said
in twenty twenty, and we're gonna say, well look what
you lunatics did in twenty sixteen with Russia collusion, and
you know, and the cycle continues. They will not accept
it and they will not certify. If Democrats can, they
will try to block certification or play games around certification
in the House process too, just everything they can do
(29:20):
so they can do the same chant they did in
twenty sixteen when he beat Hillary, which was not my
president that was Remember that was the whole They lived
in this alternative universe where Trump wasn't the president.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But he was. I mean, I'll say this too, the
idea that there are only seven states that both Democrats
and Republicans think are in play given this election, the
fact that there are forty three states twenty some odd
whatever the math is, eighteen that Joe Biden's got locked up.
Biden is I think the worst candidate that Democrats have
(29:50):
put forward in our lifetime as his nominee. I really do.
I mean, and you could say, even in twenty at
least the campaign they ran, I could understand why people
would vote for Biden. Now that you've seen four years
of what his stewardship of the country is and the
mental and physical frailty on top of that, it compounds
his failure. I don't understand how anyone that is rational
(30:15):
could vote for Joe Biden. I really don't. And the
fact that he's got nineteen or whatever it is, eighteen
states that are not even in competition, I mean, I
think it's a really bad sign compared to let's say
nineteen eighty four, when people could look at Reagan, they
judged him for four years and you had an absolute landslide.
The fact that we could never have a landslide like
(30:36):
that again, I think as a testament to how few
people are actually paying attention.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Sadly, take some of your calls here coming up, and
we'll get into a big third hour as well.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
John Rich will be joining us right, Clay. You know
John So. I know John Well. I was just at
his house a couple of Fridays ago. He was throwing
a big fundraiser for Marsha Blackburn. He played a concert there.
He is a patriot, awesome dude, friend of mine. We
had him on the big noon kickoff show here this
past fall. As the musician versity, I bet he respects
(31:07):
flute players. Just saying a good question. Just say it's
a good question. Which eight hundred cerment player does he
have the least respect for as an accomplished musician. That
would be a great question.
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It's silly, It's goofy, It's good times. Fight it in
the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay
Travis Buck Sexton Show. Coming up. On the last hour
of the program, I'll give you my Derby pick, which
is guaranteed to win. By guaranteed to win, I mean
probably going to lose, but I'll give it to you
(33:42):
in the next hour. Buck has already given his. He's
going with the favorite Fierce. What is the name of
your horse, Fierceness. Fierceness, that's a good name my morning
before I drink my crocket coffee, Fierce. That's right. I mean,
I'm going downstairs at the end of this segment to
get more coffee because I got to drive up to
Louisville as soon as we finished the show, and it
was a late night with the Morgan Wallen concert last night.
(34:06):
Argument's sake here, I think Morgan Wallen, for male artists,
might be the most popular male music artist in the
country right now. I don't know how many people could
sell out stadiums. He seld out Nashville Stadium three straight nights. Obviously,
Taylor Swift is the most popular female artist.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
There are people who are more famous, like the Rolling
Stones are more famous to Morganwallen, But in terms of
being so famous that they could sell out three straight
nights of stadiums, He's selling out stadiums all over the
country right now. I don't know there are very many
examples of that right now. Pretty wild apparently the chair
throwing incident didn't slow him down a step. He did
(34:47):
not mention it last night. I think he had a
court date today associated with that. Buck. I saw this,
and in addition to the craziness that's going on, Princeton
students have announced that they are going on a hunger strike.
Their demands Buck. They say they are going to abstain
from all food and drink except water until the following
(35:09):
demands are met. Their demands are that Princeton divest from Israel,
which is basically impossible to do in any of this
divestment stuff, that there is a cultural boycott, and that
they receive complete the protesters complete amnesty from all criminal charges.
I don't think this hunger strike is going to go
(35:32):
very well. I also think their demands are not satisfiable.
But what I would request is I want twenty four
hour live feed of the hunger strikers to ensure that
they don't cheat and actually eat food, because I think
they'll just eat food. It's easy to go on a
hunger strike if you're in a tent, you just eat
the food and nobody sees you, and then you come
out and claim.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You're still at EH I need to go on a
hunger strike, not for Palestine, just so I can fit
into my genes from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But anyway, we've all, we've all, uh, you know, we've all.
You think you could last on a hunger strike right now,
like if you were you know, what is it. It's
two o'clock on Friday. Oh, I think I've got two
or three solid weeks of reserves. And me, my friend,
I'd be fine as long as I had water. What's
the longest you've ever gone without eating? I've done a
(36:22):
fast for two days before. Okay, remember that guy when
they when they tried to be just remember he said,
I'm gonna not eat for twelve hours. Do you remember that?
And the people were like twelve hours and they had
like they had him on the you remember they had
him on the four hour hunger strike, right, they had
him on the steps of the capitol and like he
(36:43):
was eating and it was like he had just survived,
you know, a month in the wilderness next to a
half final hour next
All right, second hour, Clay and Buck, get's going right now.
We're joined by Tim Sheehy, who is running for US
Senate in Montana, an absolutely critical fight against Tester up there.
Tim is a former Navy seal, founder and CEO of
an aerospace company and a lot of other great stuff
(00:21):
we'll get into here in just a second. Tim, appreciate
you being with us, first time on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Great to be here, Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So let's just start with it.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What what is what's pushing you to try to push
this guy Tester aside and become the next senator from
the great state of Montana.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, to be out, I'd rather be doing something else.
You know, I got a great business, I got four
young kids, and you know we live out in our
farm and ranch in Montana. So I'd love to love
to stay here and not have to waste my time
in the swamp. But the reality is America's at a crossroads.
And in summer twenty twenty one, you know, I watched
Cobble Fall and the most disgraceful, despicable, shameful, you know,
display of American idiocy in a generation. And you know
(01:07):
I fought there. My wife thought there. She was a
Marine Corps officer. You know, her brothers were in the military.
So almost all of our best friends, you know, we
went to the Naval Academy. We're in the service, served there.
I lost a lot of friends there. I was wounded there.
I mean, the list goes on. I mean the amount
of sacrifice that a very small sector of our population made,
as you well know, one percent joined and went. You know,
(01:27):
most of America was never affected by the war. So
those of us who went again and again and again
and had deep relationships there, were so disgusted to see
the way in which Joe Biden his Lackey's dishonored all
of our sacrifice and made a fool of our country
at the end of our nation's longest war. And you know,
I worked so hard to get friends and allies, interpreters
out of there alive, while our government did nothing. So,
(01:49):
you know, that experience really woke me up to the
fact that, you know, if good people don't get involved
in government, if good people don't get involved and try
to be part of the solution, we're not going to
get this country back. So that's why I'm doing it.
That's why I'm here and let's get to work.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We're talking to Tim Shehe he is the Republican nominee
in Montana getting ready to take on John Tester. For
people out there listening in Montana and certainly around the nation,
who are paying attention to what could be a race
that would flip control of the Senate, John Tester has
gotten by the past several cycles by claiming that he's
just kind of a moderate, middle of the road guy,
(02:26):
old Montana farmer who just tries to make common sense decisions.
The data doesn't actually support that he does that. For
people who might have bought that argument, Now that you
have dove into this and you are running, what does
John Tester actually do in office as opposed to what
he says he's going to do?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well again, I mean, you know, testers has two axe
he plays. You know, when he's in DC, he's a
loyal footsolder for Chuck Schomer and Joe Biden, you know,
and then as soon as he comes back to Montana
he throws on a Carhart jacket and walks around and says,
you know, he's working with Republicans to secure the border.
The reality is, you know, he's de rated by the
NRA one hundred percent planned parenthood. He's you know, ninety
(03:09):
plus percent voting record with Joe Biden. Actually, I think
it's more during this term. I think he's like ninety
five or ninety six percent. You know, this term. You
know he's voting. He voted against the Lake and Riley Act,
voted to let boys play girls sports, has voted to
continue funding illegal immigrant flights all over this country. And
you know, he's a loyal soldier for the left. So
(03:29):
he plays the game in Montana, and you know, he's
been able to survive, as you said, several terms. You know,
he's part of the Lucky Calender Club six, twelve, and eighteen,
all strong blue years. And you know Chuck Schumer and
Harry before him, you know, they dumped tremendous resources into
the state. They literally buy this Senate seat every cycle
because they know John Tesler can't win without one hundred
million dollars of dark money two in a million dollars
(03:51):
of dark money pouring into the state and protecting him.
And then finally, the last thing they do is they
have one tactic every election, and that's outright character assassination
and then smear at tactics on the Republican opponent. They
can never run on the issues of Montana because he
loses on the issues all the way down the ballot.
So instead they just savage the opponent with completely discussing
(04:11):
personal attacks, and that's what they're doing now. But the
polls are showing it's not working.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Speaking to Tim Sheehy, he is running up in Montana
for a Senate seat. And Tim, you mentioned your opponent
playing make believe. When it comes to wanting to secure
the border. What's your position on the border. You might
have heard Trump, I think it was just two days
ago in Michigan saying there's going to be major deportations
(04:36):
if he wins. A whole range of things. The border,
in some polls is the number one or number two issue,
depends on which polster you believe most. It's certainly top
of mind. What is your position when it comes to
the crisis we have now of an open border, illegals
pouring in by the millions.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What should be done?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
My position on everything, and this issue is no difference,
is common sense. No other country in the world, let's
happen what's happening to us right now? No one else
in the world. No other country says, Hey, millions of
people come in here, some of them probably good people,
of course, a lot of them very bad people coming
here bringing fentanyl, you know, bringing their gang ties, you know,
murdering people, literally murdering people and getting away with it.
(05:19):
We saw those kids in New York City, you know,
beating cops in the street and the next day they're free.
Let go. Meanwhile, we're arresting presidents and putting them in trial.
We have the resources for that, but we don't have
the resources to prosecute criminal illegal aliens here murdering Americans.
It's insane. So my policy is very simple, that border
needs to be airtight tomorrow. There's no excuse. We need
(05:40):
to stop incentivizing people to come here. And how are
we incentivizing. We're telling them when you come here, you're
going to get free clothes, free lodging, free food, free
air transportation around the country to a city of your choosing,
and there's no consequences. And you know, we as the
country have to get back to rewarding good behavior and
punishing bad behavior. That's what common sense is. Break the law,
you go to jail. If you're a squad in someone's home.
(06:02):
You don't arrest the homeowner, you arrest the squatter. And
across the board where you know up is down and
down is upright now, boys or girls and girls are boys.
It's insanity, and the border is no different. We have
to lock it down. I'm pro immigration. I want people
to come to this country the right way. I've brought
people to this country the right way to work for
my companies. But that's a big difference from bringing people
(06:23):
here the right way to have people pour into this
country who don't want what's right for our country by
the millions. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Tim Sheehey with us right now. He's running for Senate
in Montana, trying to flip control of the chamber back,
as his seat is one of the top targets of
both sides. Frankly in terms of the battle for who's
going to control of the Senate. I don't know if
you know the numbers yet, but I imagine that the
amount of money raised in a Montana Senate race is
going to be ninety ninety five percent out of state,
(06:52):
and that people in Montana are just going to be
flooded and inundated with the amount of money that's being spent.
How are you doing in terms of raising money from
actual Montanas and how much of the money that you're
going to have to fight against from John Tester is
going to be flooding in from elsewhere. And for people
out there who are listening and want to support you,
how can they do it? But I'm just kind of curious.
(07:13):
I mean, this is going to be one of the
most expensive Senate races. I would imagine anywhere in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This will be the most expensive race in American history
per vote, of any race, the most expensive race in
American history on a per vote basis, which is ridiculous.
It's embarrassing. You know, we need to have campaign finance perform,
We need to fix this crap. But that's not going
to happen before November. So in the meantime ten framt
dot com. You know, folks can learn about me and
about the race.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, we're getting outspent. I mean, Test is raising you know,
sometimes eight million dollars a quarter. You know, every quarter,
we're hoping to pump through two maybe three if we're lucky,
and you know, we're we're doing grassroots hitting the whole
state every VFW Hall every rodeo. But you're absolutely right.
I mean it is we're getting not raised three to one,
four to one, five to one, and outspent. I mean
there's a period of time there was million dollars a
week just peer savage attack ads on me, you know
(08:03):
nothing even talking about what Tester's doing, just made up
crap about me. My family are a tradable worker of businesses,
my military record, and that's what they spend their money on.
The money goes to do one thing, assault me and
my family and everything we've done. My wife and I
both served this country in combat. I was wounded in combat.
We've created hundreds of jobs. But of course they're turning
all that into evil. And what I've challenged Schester is, hey,
(08:26):
why don't we just have a race about the issues, man,
Why don't we just talk about the border and gas
prices and foreign policy and inflation. Instead, all he wants
to do is make up lies about us. But that's
where the money is going. We're getting outspent. You know again,
picked your week two to one, three to one, four
to one, five to one. But we're getting crushed, but
we're winning in the polls. The last poll that came out,
we're forty eight forty five. So the more money they spend,
(08:49):
the more people are realizing that sending John Tester back
for a fourth term to sell out America for another
six years is not the right answer.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You're actually favored. I don't know if you pay attention
to the polymarket, offshore markets for people out there who
are interested in investing. Your favored to win this race
right now despite what they're spending on against you. You
said something pretty extraordinary there that per vote, this is
going to be the most expensive race that has ever
happened in the history of the United States. What kind
of cost per voter are we looking at? What is
(09:18):
this race going to cost?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, you know, we got about seven hundred thousand. I mean,
you got a million ish residents in Montana. You know,
typical voter turnout, we'll get six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand. Obviously,
we're trying to drive more voter turnout because we know
that the people in Montana don't want boys and girls
locker rooms, they don't want open borers, they don't want
six dollars diesel. So we know that the people support us.
We just got to get them to the polls and
(09:41):
please everybody listening. You know, I assume you're conservative. You listening.
You know we're getting beat coast to coast ten percent
on voter turnout by the Democrats. You know, we all
want I want in person voter ID one hundred percent,
But guess what, that's not the law of the land
this year. We need to make sure Republicans get out
and vote early, vote by mail, vote, absentee vote, whatever
it is. Just make sure you actually vote because we're
getting crushed on turnout. And in Montana they're saying this
(10:03):
race could be two hundred and fifty to three hundred
million for six to seven hundred thousand voters.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Those are crazy numbers, exactly, It's insane. But you know
that's where we're at. And you know we're not going
to beat them on the money side, we know that,
but we got to have enough to fight back. You know,
I'm not going to be more more AMMO than I
got to be able to fight back.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Timmy, you got a big chunk of of You know,
it's funny because I think to people who aren't haven't
spent a lot of time in Montana and don't know
the state particularly well, it's it's republic It's a republican state,
right if you look at the the voting demographics and
party registration. But there's a big chunk of independence. Who
can swing it one way or the other? Right, isn't
(10:43):
Is that the breakdown in Montana? I remember someone telling me,
you know, Bozeman's obviously very blue, couple of other little
blue pieces of the state, then the rest of the
state's very red. Just give us a sense of how
that all comes together and how independence, you know, view
this race, and why you think you're able to get
more of them.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, no, thank you for asking that, because you're absolutely right.
There's an oversimplification of what people think Montana is politically.
You know, they say, well, they're a big square, empty
western state, so they must be deep red. And the
fact is it's far more complex than that. I mean, yes,
Trump won the state by twenty points, you know, seventeen points,
you know, landslide the state. But the reality is just
(11:21):
nine years ago here in Montana, you know, seven out
of eight state wide elected offices were Democrats and today
eight of nine are Republicans. And that just shows the
shift the state has not changed. What's changed is the
Democrat Party has left the state. You know, the Democrats
of Montana. Of course, yes, you have your you know,
pro Hamas Palestinian lefty loonies on the college campuses. But
the traditional Montana Democrats were union, they were labor, they
(11:44):
were you know, they were back when you could still
have a Democrat that was pro gun, pro cop pro border,
pro life democrat. You know, that doesn't really exist anymore.
And those people in Montana have said, man, this part
of that used to support my grandfather's mining union, pipe
fitters union. Uh, you know, like they're not. They're not.
They're not standing up for the white working class, blue
(12:05):
collar guy anymore. You know, they're selling us out. And
so that's been the big shift. And and you know
all the other common misconceptions of folks coming into the state,
especially during COVID, you know, they see the so Yellowstone, like, oh,
I everyone's a liberal Californian parachuting into Montana making it blue.
And that's actually incorrect. Most of the people coming here
are political refugees fleeing Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, San Francisco, La,
(12:27):
saying I'm getting away from this craziness. I'm getting away from,
you know, homelessness and crime and crazy taxes, and I'm
going to move to a state where I'm going to
be free and and they're they're bringing those values here.
And that's another reason why why we're seeing the states
solidify red. So there is that there is an independent swing,
and I wouldn't quite call it independent, It's more of
(12:47):
a libertarian swing. Here in Montana. We do have a
lot of folks that their mindset is, hey, less government's
better government, and I can't disagree with that one bit.
You know, their outlook is really, I don't really care
what party, just stay out of my curios, don't bother me,
and go home. And I think those folks, of course,
there's only one party now that even mentions smaller government,
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that even mentions restricting the power of our federal government.
And we know which part of that is. So I
think that kind of libertarian position has drifted to the
right here in these last few years, especially especially during
and after COVID, when we saw the greatest trampling of
our constitutional rights in the history of this country.
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Speaker 2 (13:38):
Thanks you, Tom. We'll be back the other time.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Absolutely.
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The Truth Compass Pointing Do Right every Day, The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in Clay Travis,
Buck Sexton Show. Buck up in Louisville. I'm still down
in Nashville. Soon we will be in Louisville together for
the Kentucky Derby. Buck. Have you done any research yet
on your horses to pick? Are you aware of the
(15:35):
of the I've got? Honestly, I've got a bunch of
stuff to read tonight from a bunch of my buddies
who love to bet horses. That know I'm going and
they sent I've got I'm gonna I'm gonna have a
lot of information. I'm not sure how useful it all is,
but I'm gonna be somewhat decently informed by the time
we actually get to uh get to horse. Is this?
When I share my pick, you should probably save it.
(15:58):
We probably save it for the end of that. Well,
I don't know. You want to give your pick now,
I don't know. I tell me, but yeah, you got.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm just going I'm going with uh, with the favor.
I'm going with fierceness. I'm not messing around. I'm going
with fierceness.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So you're going chalk. What is the payout on the
favorite right now? I know it's going to fluctuate when
it comes to actual uh, when it comes to the
actual rate. When I'm going chalk, what does that even mean?
Chalk means you're picking a favorite. I didn't know. So
you're you'd never heard that phrase before?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Nope, So, yeah, I thought we were talking about the
best supplement brand out there. All of a sudden, I'm like, wait,
that's a different spelling, a different chalk. Okay, Yeah, I'm
going with fierceness. This is a cool name. And that's
that's how much I know about horse racing. I base
it on the name.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I am pulling up right now, the absolute latest odds
as they go. And you are some of this stuff,
I will say, when you go through and you look
at at Google Search, Am I crazy? Or has Google
Search gotten aggressively worse over like the last five to
seven years? Very reliant, It's definitely got more progressive. Fierceness
(17:08):
is five to two, so you're getting a little two
and a half to one basically on the payout.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
If I bet one hundred dollars on Fierceness because of
my deep faith in Fierceness's breeding and training program and
all the fancy horse stuff that I know nothing about,
what do I get if I bet one hundred dollars
in Fierceness.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You'll get two fifty back on top of your one
hundred dollars bet. So, oh that's great. Yeah, I'm very
I'm in for one hundred dolls. I'm gonna be buying
the mint juliups after this one, my friend, you'll only
be able to buy like three mint julips because they're
twenty five bucks each. By the way, Sierra Leone would
not have expected a horse in Kentucky to be named
after Sierra leone three to one. Those are the two
(17:49):
big favorites right now. And what I've been told, giving
you a little bit, I'm i hear the music playing.
You'll have to wait to hear what I've been told.
Dive in bock.
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Speaker 3 (18:52):
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Speaker 1 (18:57):
Let's check in onn't and Trump here for a second
and see how he's doing, how he's feeling. He spoke
before court today. Court back in session on this Friday.
They have Wednesdays off during this absurd trial. But here
he is probably not surprising for any of you to
(19:18):
hear that he is unimpressed by the Biden numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
This is five.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
The job numbers just came out and they're horrible, and
they're very and I say that not happily. They say
that's very unhappily. But the numbers are horrible. It's just
these people are destroying our country. Here is another sign
of it. So, as you probably know before I did,
the job numbers came out of there, really really though,
really man. Our economy's man. And now it's stunding Michow.
(19:47):
So you'll see, and it'll only get worse. It'll only
get worse. So we're only going one away with the
so called leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
There is an a leadership.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I think if the Biden economy, if it even just
continues in this stall that it feels like it's in
right now, Clay, another headwind that they just can't afford
right now going into the election. I think it'll affect
Democrats up and down the ballot across the board. But
this was interesting as well. We've discussed this a bit.
Andy McCarthy, our buddy. Well, let's get Andy on next
(20:19):
week to address some of these things. Talk to him
claik and talk some smack over base isn't baseball happening now?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Baseball season is underway? Also, I need to have Andy
tell me. Remember they still want me arrested for jury tampering,
although that seems to have died down. Who the best
criminal defense attorney? I should go ahead and retain in
New York to make sure that I can be defended.
Is I haven't forgotten about that yet. I thought they
had let that go. They're still bothering you come now
and then I'm still getting still getting messages letting me
(20:45):
know that I'm going to be headed to Rikers Island.
Then I should prepare to spend a lot of time
in prison. I know some NYPD guys well, we'll come
visit you. It'll be all right.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So here is McCarthy though, this is really interesting because
it does raise, first of all, the ultimate question here
is what's the point of all these trials if there's
really going to be no punishment for Trump, even if
he's convicted, if it is just for politics. I don't
think anybody cares if he gets convicted. In need, We've
thought that all along. The conviction alone in New York
is almost certainly not going to do anything. And so
(21:17):
if they're not going to put him in jail and
nothing's really going to happen to him, what are they
even doing?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
But on the.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gag order issue as well, remember they're trying to say
Trump can't speak about people involved in the trial. They
can speak about him somehow outside the trial, but he
can't speak about them.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Andy here arguing.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
That basically the judge is too shook, as they would say,
too scared to put Trump in jail for violating the
gag order. This is seven play it.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
He's fighting this politic The trial is one thing. The
gag order stuff is all about the politics of the campaign.
And I must say I think that Judge march On
understands that putting Trump in jail, which he can do
for up to thirty days, for any violation of the
gag Order, would be a catastrophe politically for Democrats. So
he's finding him a thousand dollars every time there's no
(22:06):
doubt that there are violations of the gag order. I
think the gag Order is unconstitutional, but that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Ship has sailed.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
If I were Trump, I'd be tempted to just give
Judge march On a check for about ten thousand dollars
every Monday and say this is for this week's violations
and just go do what he's gonna do, because I
don't think he'll put him in jail.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh man, can you assuming that's true? I just think
it would be funny if Trump came to the courthouse
with one of those big oversized checks, you know, like
you get when you win a sweepstakes, and he just announced, Hey,
I want everybody to know I think this gag Order
is unconstitutional, but nothing is going to stop me from
saying what I need to say to win this election.
(22:44):
And therefore I am going to go ahead in pre
deposit fines and here is and like written on it,
Judge merchants a.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Big beautiful check because he's a communist, he's a terrible judge, unfair,
violating my constitutional So we brought him ten thousand dollars
ten thousand dollars per week.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
There you go. Just go ahead and get the tab started. Yeah,
you just take it off my tab. I'm gonna go
ahead and give you twenty k because you're finding me nine.
But I know there's gonna be another ten or eleven coming.
I just want you to have it so you can
just go take it out of the kiddy whenever you
need it. That would be a pretty remarkable move by Trump.
And I think what Andy McCarthy is hitting on is
something we've said on this show for some time. And
(23:27):
the analogy I made, and a lot of you actually
knew what I was talking about. Some of you thought
I was crazy. My prayer rabbit analogy. Great analogy. Trump
throwing in the patch. Trump wants to get thrown in
the briar patch, and yet he's out there saying, oh, please,
don't throw me into the brier patch. Preeze, don't and
then they throw him in there. Rabbits love being in
the briar patch. Trump would benefit tremendously from I think
(23:50):
the video of him being put in Riker's Island or
wherever the jail for purposes of just saying what he
needs to say. He believes to win a pull it campaign.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
What do you think of the chances at some point
in the weeks ahead, when the judge is announcing in
another violation the gag where Trump just says.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Put it on my tab, the amazing line, I think
you should go for it. I think you should there.
It would be a tremendous response to say put it
on his tab. And look, we had Marx Simon on
last Week Friday a week ago, and he said that
he thought Trump could win New York. Boldest prediction. I
think that we've had on the show in some time.
(24:28):
Marx Simone knows New York, as you have said, Monster
Audience on wor leading into us. When I watched Trump
deliver the pizzas to the fireman yesterday after being in
the court all day, I couldn't help but think how
incredibly skilled Trump is at moments like that. He's done
(24:51):
it now with the construction crew in New York City.
He did it when he went to the Harlem Badega
they're gonna set up I think some sort of large
rally in New York City at some time. I would
imagine he'll have an interaction with New York policeman at
some point as well, where he goes and delivers pizza
to them. But that moment with the fireman, it would
(25:11):
be the ultimate own goal, the ultimate self inflicted wound.
If by putting him on trial in New York City,
suddenly Trump is able to put New York even in
the van, even in the possibility of a play. Remember
again we talked about to spend money.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
If he makes them even spend money in New York
at all or any time in New York, it's a win.
This is what Democrats always try to do with Texas, right.
They just use it as a right now to try
to expand expand the battlefield, expand the battle space a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I just say the best way.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
You know, we talk a lot about the breaking of
of precedent and and the setting of precedent. That is
going to have bad implications, I think politically for the
country long after Trump is gone from the political scene.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I think the.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Only one of the only ways that you can counteract
that would be the kind of repudiation politically that you'd
get if Donald Trump won New York after being tried there,
and maybe even I don't know. I don't think they're
going to put him in jail even for a day.
But you know that is I'm not saying it's going
(26:27):
to happen. But that's the way that you said a
different kind of president, which is the American people see
through this kind of thing for what it is, and
they will punish you at the ballot box.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
All there really is at this point. None of the people.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That are are the nemeses of Trump in this None
of the people that are abusing the law that are
doing all they're doing this constant game of oh, we're
protecting institutions by basically subverting institutions and going after Trumpy.
They're not going to be punished. I don't think anybody
should be under any belief that there's going to be
(27:03):
prosecutors fired and bad things are gonna happen to them. No,
nothing's gonna happen to them. The only way that there's
some measure of justice here is you get a big
enough win for Trump in enough places and the Republicans
that Democrats will think twice about doing this in the future.
I can assure you if Joe Biden wins, this then
becomes a part of the playbook what they're doing right now,
they will do it to other Republicans definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And that's why I would say, if you're listening to
us and you're on the fence, I understand a lot
of people don't like Trump or Biden, and I bet
there's not an insubstantial number of you listening to us
right now. You were to say Atis people, you were
nicky Haley people, maybe you're RFK junior people because you
just really don't like Trump and you don't like Biden.
(27:47):
That's not in substantial. Wait, a quarter, probably thirty percent
of the United States, I would say, is in that
camp right now, not a big fan of either guy.
If you are making a decision between the two, the
idea of putting your chief political opponent in prison for
the rest of his life if Democrats win, will become
(28:09):
a feature of campaign playbooks in the future. Trump will
not be the last person to face this kind of
lawfair if he wins. And by the way, I think
the idea of doing this is awful regardless of whether
Democrats or Republicans were doing it. I think it's an
awful precedent. If Trump wins, I think there'll be a
lot of people saying Biden blew it, Democrats blew it
(28:31):
because they won't give Trump credit, and a lot of
them will look at this law fair and they'll say
it failed. And I think they'll also say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I was gonna say. I think they're gonna go they're
not going to accept that he won, No way.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Oh well, they're going to say, He'll say it is
Russia China collusion. They'll they'll come up with a des
why it really needs to be that. That's why, Honestly,
I would it marks some margin that they have.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But if it's if it's tight, if it's they're gonna
say and they're gonna say, well, look what Trump said
in twenty twenty, and we're gonna say, well look what
you lunatics did in twenty sixteen with Russia collusion, and
you know, and the cycle continues. They will not accept
it and they will not certify. If Democrats can, they
will try to block certification or play games around certification
in the House process too, just everything they can do
(29:20):
so they can do the same chant they did in
twenty sixteen when he beat Hillary, which was not my
president that was Remember that was the whole They lived
in this alternative universe where Trump wasn't the president.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But he was. I mean, I'll say this too, the
idea that there are only seven states that both Democrats
and Republicans think are in play given this election, the
fact that there are forty three states twenty some odd
whatever the math is, eighteen that Joe Biden's got locked up.
Biden is I think the worst candidate that Democrats have
(29:50):
put forward in our lifetime as his nominee. I really do.
I mean, and you could say, even in twenty at
least the campaign they ran, I could understand why people
would vote for Biden. Now that you've seen four years
of what his stewardship of the country is and the
mental and physical frailty on top of that, it compounds
his failure. I don't understand how anyone that is rational
(30:15):
could vote for Joe Biden. I really don't. And the
fact that he's got nineteen or whatever it is, eighteen
states that are not even in competition, I mean, I
think it's a really bad sign compared to let's say
nineteen eighty four, when people could look at Reagan, they
judged him for four years and you had an absolute landslide.
The fact that we could never have a landslide like
(30:36):
that again, I think as a testament to how few
people are actually paying attention.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Sadly, take some of your calls here coming up, and
we'll get into a big third hour as well.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
John Rich will be joining us right, Clay. You know
John So. I know John Well. I was just at
his house a couple of Fridays ago. He was throwing
a big fundraiser for Marsha Blackburn. He played a concert there.
He is a patriot, awesome dude, friend of mine. We
had him on the big noon kickoff show here this
past fall. As the musician versity, I bet he respects
(31:07):
flute players. Just saying a good question. Just say it's
a good question. Which eight hundred cerment player does he
have the least respect for as an accomplished musician. That
would be a great question.
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is guaranteed to win. By guaranteed to win, I mean
probably going to lose, but I'll give it to you
(33:42):
in the next hour. Buck has already given his. He's
going with the favorite Fierce. What is the name of
your horse, Fierceness. Fierceness, that's a good name my morning
before I drink my crocket coffee, Fierce. That's right. I mean,
I'm going downstairs at the end of this segment to
get more coffee because I got to drive up to
Louisville as soon as we finished the show, and it
was a late night with the Morgan Wallen concert last night.
(34:06):
Argument's sake here, I think Morgan Wallen, for male artists,
might be the most popular male music artist in the
country right now. I don't know how many people could
sell out stadiums. He seld out Nashville Stadium three straight nights. Obviously,
Taylor Swift is the most popular female artist.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I know.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
There are people who are more famous, like the Rolling
Stones are more famous to Morganwallen, But in terms of
being so famous that they could sell out three straight
nights of stadiums, He's selling out stadiums all over the
country right now. I don't know there are very many
examples of that right now. Pretty wild apparently the chair
throwing incident didn't slow him down a step. He did
(34:47):
not mention it last night. I think he had a
court date today associated with that. Buck. I saw this,
and in addition to the craziness that's going on, Princeton
students have announced that they are going on a hunger strike.
Their demands Buck. They say they are going to abstain
from all food and drink except water until the following
(35:09):
demands are met. Their demands are that Princeton divest from Israel,
which is basically impossible to do in any of this
divestment stuff, that there is a cultural boycott, and that
they receive complete the protesters complete amnesty from all criminal charges.
I don't think this hunger strike is going to go
(35:32):
very well. I also think their demands are not satisfiable.
But what I would request is I want twenty four
hour live feed of the hunger strikers to ensure that
they don't cheat and actually eat food, because I think
they'll just eat food. It's easy to go on a
hunger strike if you're in a tent, you just eat
the food and nobody sees you, and then you come
out and claim.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
You're still at EH I need to go on a
hunger strike, not for Palestine, just so I can fit
into my genes from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
But anyway, we've all, we've all, uh, you know, we've all.
You think you could last on a hunger strike right now,
like if you were you know, what is it. It's
two o'clock on Friday. Oh, I think I've got two
or three solid weeks of reserves. And me, my friend,
I'd be fine as long as I had water. What's
the longest you've ever gone without eating? I've done a
(36:22):
fast for two days before. Okay, remember that guy when
they when they tried to be just remember he said,
I'm gonna not eat for twelve hours. Do you remember that?
And the people were like twelve hours and they had
like they had him on the you remember they had
him on the four hour hunger strike, right, they had
him on the steps of the capitol and like he
(36:43):
was eating and it was like he had just survived,
you know, a month in the wilderness next to a
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