June 15, 2024 • 36 mins
Pete Buttigieg says the Appeal to Heaven flag is "insurrectionist symbology." Sunny Hostin criticizing the secret taping of Alito's wife. Clay's trip to Washington. Tennessee Senator Bill Hagerty joins C&B to talk about the GOP chances of winning the senate, the presidential race, his conversations with President Trump, the VP slot and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, second hour play and Buck yet's going now,
And we've been talking quite a bit about the Hunter
Biden situation, the realities of the American justice system. Keep
in mind that not only do we have a debate
coming up in a few weeks with Joe Biden, Hunter's dad,
and Donald Trump, which will be I think a very
(00:23):
highly watched debate. I think that's that's going to be
the case. But beyond that, you also will have near
maybe right afterwards, you'll have a Supreme Court decision on
the presidential immunity issue that ties into the Trump j.
(00:43):
Six case, and it will be the first time the
Supreme Court has really looked at what is the extent
of presidential immunity, What is the extent of what a
president can do without facing any legal repercussions. And so
there's going to be I think a lot of this
is now on the prediction side of things. Clay and
(01:03):
I see this one the same way. They're going to
come down with a not a total, but some immunity.
They'll effectively the Court will articulate here's where presidential immunity
stops and starts. Now, take that lower courts and figure
out what's going on here with this Trump j six situation,
I think the Democrats are going to be very unhappy
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with even though it's not a total It could be,
but I think it's unlikely to be a total win
for the Trump side. But if it's not a total
loss for Trump, then they're going to view this as,
oh my gosh, the Supreme Court, we hate them so much,
they're so right wing. All that stuff, which I think
very much ties into the campaigns that you've been seeing
(01:46):
to go after Justice Thomas for going on vacation with friends, right,
that's basically been the yes, I'm very wealthy friends the
Supreme Court Justice. Wealthy people sometimes like to be around
brilliant and prominent people in general. So he's got some
friends who are rich and they're coming after him because
he goes on, like, you know, on golf vacations with
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them or something. But they've always been going after Justice
Thomas's wife as well. She's pretty politically active, and now
they've added Justice Alito's wife into it. We talked a
bit about this, Clay. This is where the flag controversy.
I don't know if they're calling it flag gate or
if they were trying to, but the flag controversy and
(02:29):
the Appeal to Heaven flag that The New York Times
wrote this big story on. You would think, perhaps after
it came out that San Francisco was flying the Appeal
to Heaven flag outside its city Hall for like the
last thirty years, that this would go away. But no,
it has not gone away. Here is Pete Buttajudge, who
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is still Secretary of Transportation, which is remarkable in and
of itself. Here is Pete Buttera judge talking to people
and saying that the appeal to have in flag, which
Justice Alito's wife flew at one of her private homes
at one point, is quote insurrectious symbology. Play it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Supreme Court justices have an unbelievable amount of power, and
by the nature and the structure of the Supreme Court,
there's no supervision over that power. They are entrusted with
it literally for as long as they live. And part
of that trust is we expect them to enter into
those enormously consequential decisions that shape our everyday lives with
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a sense of fairness. I also hope that most Americans
can understand the difference between a flag that symbolizes, you know,
love and acceptance and signals to people who have sometimes
feared for their safety that they're going to be okay,
and insurrectionist symbology. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So claiy, I just this is a Cabinet secretary saying
that the Appeal to Heaven flag because Alitos, well, everyone
knows what it is or has been talking about it
because of Alito's wife, because of the attack on her.
I would argue, because of the upcoming Supreme Court decision
that they're not going to like and they don't control
the court, and that drives the libs insane. But He's
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they're still pretending like this is somehow the Appeal to
Heaven flag is some right wing insurrectionist, you know, bad thing.
It flew for sixty years, Buck, as you mentioned, but
sixty years outside of San Francisco. Nobody noticed until the
New York Times decided to write this story and then
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they said, uh, oh, we've got to bring it down immediately.
This is what I find so scary about democrats in general,
is they can take things that have existed for a
long time. Do you remember when the ok sign they
suddenly decided was a symbol of racism and you probably
remember back in the day, Buck, you remember when you
would like show that sign and it meant you were
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gonna get thumped, like if you didn't. I've heard of this.
I actually never played or never familiar with this game
that some of the people were playing, but we played.
We played that game. All yeah, you were playing more
serious games. We were like trying to do the circle
and if somebody looked at it, you got to punch
them in the arm. For years, and they tried to
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turn this into the Chicago Cubs. They had, you know,
you try to get it on television, and they did
it I think at the Army Navy game and all
of it was bs. But they take things that are
regular occurrences in everyday life and they suddenly decide that
they are symbolic of some sort of awfulness and they
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try to remove them from regular life. And that's what
they're trying to do here, and this ties in You
and I were talking about off the air, we've set
on this show for years that we don't like secret recordings.
The idea that somebody would come up to you or
me and were at some public event and they're asking
(06:00):
questions and they're secretly recording it, and then they put
it out and they're like, oh my goodness, look at
what so and so said. Even when it's Project Veritas.
We've talked about this. You got some mediocre level employee
that's out with a hot chick at dinner, and you're
trying to impress them, and you're trying to say way
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more things than you actually have control of, and you're
trying to have a conversation, and then it gets selectively
edited and next thing you know, like you're the grand
poobab CNN's editorial coverage when you're like the eighteenth Even
if you're a rock solid conservative single guy out there
on the scene, you're out with a very attractive lady.
If you tell her you're a male feminist, you're just
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trying to get to date number two. We all get it,
you know what I mean. You gotta do what you
gotta do. I didn't even find any of it remotely
controversial because I did go listen to it. But the
idea that you're secretly recording Supreme Court justices to try
and catch them and their wives in wrongdoing is to me.
And this is what's going on here. Look behind the
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news Trump is going to be given, according to the Constitution,
some level of protection for official actions under this ruling
that's gonna come down in a few weeks. They know
it because I bet Soto mayor and uh who said
(07:25):
that she's crying? What did she say recently that sometimes
she goes into her office and cries. Can we, by
the way, stop normalizing grown adults being unhappy about something
and putting themselves in their room by themselves and crying
about it when it's the course of your normal life.
Like if somebody dies, I get it, But this idea
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are you with me on this? Like the idea that
somebody that this is a normal trope now that they cover,
especially on the left, it's like something happened at work
and it was so disappointing to me that I just
shut myself into my office and cry. I don't think
that's how an adult should behave to not getting something
that you want it at work. That doesn't feel to
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me mature. It doesn't make me trust you more. Yeah,
it's not not the way that you want to present
yourself generally, But remember, a sense of victimization is at
the heart of so much of the way that democrats
think and also how they want to present themselves. So
you know, even with Pete Boodha judge here, he was like, well,
the pride fag symbolizes the people who fear for their safety. Right.
(08:29):
This is so if you oppose or have any concerns
about all of corporate America embracing wholesale or not all
of corporate America, but you know large corporations embracing trans
ideology for miners, you know you're you're threatening people's safety.
I mean, this is what this is what they always do.
It's a form of moral blackmail. But Clay something else
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I want to bring to your attention here. Do you
know who agrees with us? It seems on the secret
recording issue. I saw this and I was like, oh
my goodness, I can't believe it. We're having a Fetterman
moment here where we say when something is good, that
it is good and views Sonny Houston, I want everyone
(09:12):
to hear what she says on the Justice Alito's wife
secret recording and then we will discuss play nine.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think it's like cool corraling cats for Justice Roberts.
I think he wants to maintain the integrity of the court.
I think that's very important to him. I think it's
very difficult with the composition of this particular court. It
is a lifetime appointment. I'm extremely disappointed at what I heard,
but I also am not comfortable with snippets of tape
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recordings without consent being taken out of context. I haven't
let it is legal if there's a one party consent state,
and this was done in DC, which it is a
one party consent district. My problem is this happens to
us at the table all the time. We have a
full on conversation, someone takes a clip of what we say,
they blow it out of proportion.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, okay. She was doing well till the end there.
Because there's a difference between sitting on a TV platform
with a live audience and a couple of million people
believe me or believe it or not, that's how many
watched the view. It's pretty big watching you and clipping
that and what you believe to be a private conversation
on your own time with a person where you're being
(10:20):
secretly recorded. So she almost just to be clear, she
almost got this one right, but I know it's not.
She didn't go full Fetterman in terms of nailing something.
She it was like a half right. You know when
you ever did you ever have this where you're taking
a math I was not good at math in high school.
You'd show your work and you'd get like a half
point or something.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Oh yeah, this was like, we give.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Her a half point. She showed me work, but the
answer wasn't right. And the only reason she doesn't like
the taping of Alito is because she said a lot
of stupid stuff on her show that we've played. It's
a big difference between a private converse. I thought she
was gonna say, which I hadn't heard. I thought she
was gonna say, you know, sometimes we're out at a
restaurant and people will take like clip something from like
(11:01):
a private conversation. I was gonna say, that's wrong. I
don't think you should anybody out there, even if you
see somebody who you disagree with politically, I don't think
you should engage them in a fake conversation while you're
secretly recording them. First of all, it might be illegal
in your state, but then to put it out there,
I'll even go a step further. Buck. I don't agree
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with the new York Times covering this as big a
news story. If you wouldn't do it yourself, why should
you be able to cover somebody else doing it. I
don't like the New York Times reporting very often, but
the New York Times would never allow a reporter to
surretitiously secretly record a conversation with someone while pretending to
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be someone else and then run it as a news story.
If you wouldn't allow that reporting to occur yourself in
your organization, why should you use somebody else doing it
as a news story by your organization? Does that make
sense to you? Like I mean, I I think it's
actually a failure of New York Times journalists and ethics.
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But if if Sonny Hostin's trying to convey, yes, context matters.
But if you say something stupid on a television program
in front of a live hike with a camera in
front of a live audience, pretending to be having brunch
with somebody just one on one having a chat as friends,
when you're really taping them to try to destroy their
reputation in their life, is not the same thing as
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taking your TV comments out of out of context. Clay
I wanted to give her credit I wanted. I was
with you. She's making a good point. I'm gonna give
Sonny Hostin credit and then she just pivots to and
this happens to us. No, it's not it's not the
same at all. She did not hit the landing. You know,
it looked good for a second, but she did not
(12:51):
hit the landing. It's a shame. No, she failed. She failed,
and she typically does. But we tried to give her
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Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. So we're gonna
be joined here shortly by who's the first year Senator
Bill Haggerty will be with Clay in DC, and also
later on we've got Congressman Byron Donald's joining and in
the third hour Mary Margaret Olahan, writer for the Daily
Signal with her book on transgender stuff. So we'll be
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having some very interesting conversations coming up there. How is
the swamp, Clay, you are in the swamp right now?
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around in uh like your you know, welli's I don't
know what you call them, and they like the rubber boots.
What do you call them in the city, Actually you
don't even have them probably in Tennessee. Rain boots, Yeah,
I guess rain boots, same idea. I'd never I've never
(15:14):
owned any rain gear ever, but I understand some people
out there are like, oh, I've got to have a raincoat.
I don't even own an umbrella. You just occasionally gonna
get a little bit wet, deal with it. That's my
theory on the rain. The swap here, I would say is,
first of all, the weather's been fabulous. But the couple
(15:34):
of things that I thought were interesting. One I took
my son, who's sixteen, around you can see all of
in Lafayette Square, Lafayette Park, so many of these defaced
monuments you can still see. They've been trying to clean them,
but all the graffiti is still there. The other thing
I will say, as I mentioned Monday, they were having
the Juneteenth celebration. As we were walking around the park,
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agents and they are big fans, so I I it
was it was great. You know, we're walking across I
guess Constitution AB whatever it is down near the UH
down near the mall, and as we're walking by, a
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couple of Secret Service agents are set up there and
they stopped us. And I thought like, oh, is this
area restricted? Are we allowed to continue to walk through there?
And one of the Secret Service agents, that is one
that initially stopped us, said, Hey, Clay, big fan Govalls,
he's a Tennessee fan. He's from the state of Tennessee. Uh.
And then we stopped and talked to him for a while,
(16:42):
and UH. I think it was just kind of interesting.
My son enjoyed that conversation too, But I think it's
interesting too for our audience to remember there are lots
of people who love America and are going to give
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want to vote for themselves. And I don't know that
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you know, the early days of the Obama administration, and
let me just say, a lot of the tip of
the spear specops guys were huge Obama fans. But but
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We do the mission, you know. So that attitude is
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is Senator Haggarty of the Great States of Tennessee. Senator,
appreciate you coming and hang out. Sorry, Clay couldn't put
a tie on for you, but I don't know if
I don't think he actually owns a tie. I'm trying
to avoid all ties. But we were talking off air,
and the Senator's got a couple of kids who are
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away in college. Our kids are at the same school
in Nashville, have been. It's a fabulous school. And I'm
up here right now visiting schools with my sixteen year old.
So that's why I'm in a T shirt and shorts.
We've been running around. It's warm. It's nice following his
father's footsteps too. That's back to what could be true.
We'll see exactly how that goes. But you were just
(19:35):
telling us off air you have been talking with Donald
Trump quite a lot about as we get closer a
little bit under five months from the election, what can
you tell us about how the president's doing, how you
think the campaign's going, and also you're in the Senate.
How close do you think and how what would you
say the status is of taking back control of the
(19:56):
Senate as you sort of survey the election.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To start with that question, Firs, we'll get to the
president with respect to the United States Senate. I think
most of our listeners know this, but every two years,
a third of the Senate comes up for re election.
You know, thirty four to thirty three seats are up
every two years. This time, the Democrats are defending twenty
three seats. Republicans have obviously a two to one advantage
there in terms of how then the resources will be
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spread by Democrats. They always have more money, but they'll
be spread across more states. Three of those are Democrats
serving in Republican states, and in a presidential election year,
it's going to be very tough for these Democrats. As people,
you know, would hope perhaps that they could get in
an off year with a lower turnout, that they might
be able to pull the wall over the electric's eyes,
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get a high turnout out of their base. I don't
know what the case may be, but this is going
to be a high turnout election. And we're going to
not take anything for granted. But I really do believe
we've got a real advantage. We're right now forty nine
Republicans to fifty one Democrats. Joe Mancher has already dropped out.
He knows there's no path to victory for him in
West Virginia. Jim jo will be our next senator from
West Virginia. That takes us to fifty to fifty right there.
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We're then looking at Montana, We're looking at Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada,
you keep going, Michigan, Wisconsin, get a little bit further
out of reach, Arizona. Real possibility for us there. But
I think there's a great chance that we're going to
pick up several seats in the Senate. We will take
control back the betting markets, and certainly the polls have
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us taking it back. But I'm not taking anything for granted.
With respect to the presidential race. I think the presidential
race and the House races will actually move in the
same direction. And there, as I said, I was speaking
with the President just yesterday about this, our momentum is
absolutely moving the right direction. If you look at the
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betting markets right now, Donald Trump is the odds on favor.
The Economist does a type of survey where they take
into account not only polling data, but history right track,
wrong track, and how those of measures tend to manifest
themselves in an election, and they have Donald Trump with
two to one odds relative to Biden. In terms of winning,
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Donald Trump's got two out of three and Joe Biden's
got only one out of three odds of winning this fall.
So all of this says we need to be very
prepared for what's going to happen. We need to be
ready to go on day one. Whomever wins this election
will have only four years ahead of them, and the
first one hundred days I think are going to be
absolutely critical to regaining our nation's economic capacity, to securing
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our nation with the disaster at the southern border and
all the crime that's happening in our cities, the national
security crises that Joe Biden is created.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Literally around the world.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
The world is on fire right now thanks to their
thanks to ill founded policies and their instincts which all
seem to be wrong. They seem to want to appease
and show weakness at every point. We should be showing
American strength. That's going to change day one when Donald
Trump comes in And I just left a meeting in
the Senate where we're talking about reconciliation process, which is
(23:01):
a budgetary tool that will be used early on in
the first first months of the new Congress, which will
correspond to the arrival of a new executive And we
need to be deeply aligned on the legislative side. We
need every Republican on board supporting us implementing President Trump's agenda.
I have a feeling the mandate for President Trump's going
to become very clear on election Day, and we need
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to be ready on the legislative branch side as well.
As I know, the President's team is getting executive orders
ready to undo some of the massive damage that Joe
Biden has done to America.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Senator Haggerty with us from Tennessee. But in DC. Senator,
we didn't report on this on the show, but the Democrats,
I believe, were certainly celebrating on their side that two
hundred federal judges have been have gotten through the Senate
through confirmation and put on the federal bench under Biden.
(23:53):
Are you concerned about the kind of nominees that are
currently getting through and do you feel like that heightens
the need for Republics to be able to no matter what,
let's say, even if Biden were to win the presidency,
to slow down what seems to be a radicalizing judiciary
under Biden's time.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, Buck, you hit the nail on the head. I
think this will be one of Chuck Schumer hope hopefully's
only a point of pride is bringing in the most
radical appointees to the federal bench that we've ever seen.
The way it works in the Senate for what they
call executive character appointments is that rather than a sixty
vote threshold, which is what we have for legislation, there's
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only a fifty plus one threshold for these appointees. Schumer
has the votes, and so we push back hard at
every turn. They put some absolutely terrible nominees forward, people
without relevant experience, people that have no business in the courtroom.
They don't have any any capacity, couldn't be in front
of a judge. Why in the world are they going
to be behind the bench? But that's where they're moving
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because the credentials they're looking for are radical credentials, or
they're just looking for some type of demographic credential that
they can pack there that they can pat themselves in
the back about accomplishing. But confidence seems to be the
lowest tick mark on that list. Buck, Confidence seems to
be the last thing considered. It's everything else, from ideology
to demographics that seem to be driving that process. Chuck
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Schumer learned his lesson from Mitch McConnell. If you go
back to the previous Trump administration, President Trump and Leader
McConnell worked on putting a lot of strong conservative judges
into the judiciary, and Chuck Schumer learned from that playbook.
They're doing the same thing. I think it will continue
to be a key element of strategy. Depending on which
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party controls the Senate, they will work. They'll be focused
on that very much.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You have a great relationship with Donald Trump. You served
in the administration. I've been around you and President Trump.
He is incredibly complimentary of you. I saw in the
New York Times. Granted, we know that the New York
Times doesn't always have things one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
That's often the case.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I saw that you are a vice presidential candidate. According
to the New York Times. It would not surprise me
at all based on what I have seen Trump say
about you and the relationship. Have you talked about the
vice presidency at all? Would that be something that you
were interested in? If Trump came to you and said,
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as I know he does, I really trust your opinion.
I think you could help us get over the finish line.
What kind of conversations have there with it.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Here's what I want to say, first and foremost. The
most critical thing for this nation right now is that
Donald Trump win in November. And the last thing he
needs is a sideshow, you know, a bunch of folks
auditioning for a job. He needs to be able to
focus entirely on getting elected, and whatever will help him
in terms of the VP pick will increase his chances
and odds the greatest of winning that election. That's the
(26:48):
outcome I want. In terms of the vice presidential selection process.
It's certainly a compliment to find your name on these
lists that I can tell you. I've no intention of
engaging in speculation. I'll let the speculators do that. My
job has been is going to continue to be to
carry on the momentum. I'm the only member of his
administration that's in the United States Senate. I have been
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advocating from day one of arriving there for the policies
that President Trump so successfully implemented and had on the
books to move forward. So President Trump knows he's got
a very strong ally on me in any capacity, and
right now my focus is making certain that we are
going to be ready on day one in the United
States Senate to incorporate and deliver on the types of
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policy changes that are absolutely necessary to get our economy back,
to get our national security back, to rebuild our military,
and again have foreign relations that actually advantage America rather
than every one of our adversaries. I was asking the
President literally just yesterday, who has won under Donald I
mean under Joe Biden's policies, And the hands down winner
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every time you ask the question is generally China and
the next best The next best off tend to be Iran, Russia,
and all of our adversaries combined. Those are the biggest
winners under Joe Biden's policy, whether it's the war he's
waged on domestic energy that it essentially has allowed energy
prices to go up around the world and allowed us
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to inadvertently fund Russia's war on Ukraine, their refusal to
impose or I should say, enforce, the sanctions that are
on Iran. I work very hard to get those sanctions
in place. When I served in the Trump administration. They
immediately stopped and forcing them, and we saw Iran's reserves
go from single digit billions all the way up to
triple digit billions under Joe Biden. They've used those funds
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to basically dismantle peace in the Middle East. They funded hamas,
they fund hesblah. They're funding the hoodies right now, shutting
down the Red Sea, now everything, every place you look.
We have disasters that benefit our adversaries. Those are the
only winder winners under the Biden administration's policies our adversaries.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Senator Hagary, appreciate you being with us. Cool for Glady
to get to hang out with you in person. There.
I'll come to DC next time around. So thank you
about great to be with both one to day. Thanks
so much, Thanks, thanks so much, appreciate you. The CEO
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We got
Senator Haggerty still with us, and we kept talking during
the commercial break, and I wanted to give you an
opportunity because we're talking to five hundred stations all over
the country and you were talking in the last segment
about the battlegrounds in the Senate Montana. Certainly Ohio, West
(30:42):
Virginia is looking good, but so much of this And
you and I talked about this right after the twenty
twenty two disappointment. You're a data guy. People don't know this.
You worked in tech, you had a business success before
you came into the political arena. And you said in
our conversations, we just got to dive in to the
data and figure out why Democrats are doing a better
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job getting their people out than we are. What is
going to change in your mind with that data, and
how can you use it to get not only for
the presidential race, but in particular in the Senate As
you mentioned red state Montana, red state Ohio, red state
West Virginia, and then Nevada and Pennsylvania. And you look
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at that data, how do you get those voters out?
What has changed since twenty two based on what you've seen?
Here's how got at the data.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
In twenty twenty two, we had a result that was
quite contrary to what I thought because I was looking
at the polling data close to the election.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
My background. I started out at.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
A place called the Boston Consulting Group, very analytically oriented.
We basically went back and looked at each state and
tried to figure out what caused us to lose. Reverse
engineered your results exactly exactly, and what we found varied.
The means varied by every state, but what we found
is that we were beaten on the ground. Exhibit DY
would be Pennsylvania. There you had John Femen who had
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amassed over nine hundred thousand early votes before he ever
had to come up against Doctor Oz. Terrible debate. As
you know, the most googled question in Pennsylvania for the
week that followed was how do I change my vote?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, you can't.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Doctor Oz wins by four hundred thousand votes on election David,
that's not enough to overcome the seven hundred thousand vote
margin that Vetterman had. That sort of exhibit A to
me to say, we've got to have a ground game
in place that's commensurate with what the Democrats have. So
we have been very focused on those states where we
think it's going to be close. And what we're trying
to do is get low proclivity voters. These are people
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that vote one, two, maybe even three out of four
of the last elections Republican voters to turn out. And
the Sentinel Action Fund is the group that I've been
sort of adding leadership to. But the Sentinel Action Fund
has teams on the ground that are focused in states
like Pennsylvania, Ohio. I mean, we will go to others,
(32:54):
but focused on getting early ballot requests out, getting people
on the absentee ballot rolls of that's what gets them
to vote, requesting their early ballots if that's what's necessary,
and the state. It all depends on varying state rules
and helping people. Ballot harvesting is allowed, for example, in
some states, the Democrats have mastered that we've got to
play by those same set of rules. Even if we
don't like it, we certainly can't be caught, you know,
(33:18):
without an ability to step up and match what the
Democrats are doing. So that has been my focus. The
outcome may be only a two to three four percent difference,
but in some of these states that are very close Clay,
that could make all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do you think Senator Hackering this legal stuff that we're seeing,
I mean, there's so much of it right the fore,
the four cases against Trump one completed now with the indictment,
the Hunter Biden guilty verdict. Do you think any of
this really matters in the places where the election is
going to be decided, either for control of the Senate
or for the presidency.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Well, in terms of polling numbers, we may not see
a massive bump for the president, but in terms of
enthusiasm on our side, it's through the roof Clay, it's
through the roof Buck, the enthusiasm that's come forward. Americans
don't want to see their country moving down this path.
I don't care if you're a Democrat and Independent or Republican.
They know what happened in New York was wrong. The
weaponization of the judicial system is wrong. And I think
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they know next up could be one of us. So
it's something that has absolutely motivated the base. You look
at the fundraising numbers and Buck, you asked about the change,
There's been a tidal wave of financial support for President Trump,
over four hundred million dollars just since that verdict was delivered.
This is going to give us the resources. It will
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definitely impact the election, not the way Joe Biden had
hoped it would. It's backfiring on the Democrats, and I
think what it's going to do is just carry a
massive wave of enthusiasm throughout the country and it's going
to help in the effort I just described to get
people to turn out early and vote.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
You know that Asia, well, how concerned are you You
mentioned that China is the big winner of the Biden administration.
How concerned are you that China could invade Taiwan when
they see Biden's weakness? Based on your experience Asian Pacific region.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Clay as usual always target the very real concerns, and
that's one I think that we're all deeply concerned about.
China continues to build its military capacity. The United States
has made some great press releases about what we're doing
in the region, but we've got to actually be serious
about it. You've got a Pentagon right now that's working
on its pronouns. You've got Joe Biden that has attacked
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one of our greatest sources of geopolitical strength, that's our
energy industry. We should be delivering L and G throughout
the whole Southeast Asia region and pushing back. Instead, we're
standing there idly watching China buy every bit of energy
they can from Russia and from Iran and enriching our adversary.
So I think the concern is great about what China
can do. They've benefited a great deal from these bad policies,
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and we need to.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Be on the lookout. Senator Haggerty buck with us. This
is pretty awesome. We're also going to have Byron Donald's
with us here in a little bit, talk about the
situation in the house. As I'm in DC, Buck is
down in Miami. You might hear a dog barking in
the background there. Buck Ginger sounds like she's fired up
with how the conversations are going. I just heard her
(36:03):
a second ago. Very much the case. Ginger wishes that
she could get a tour of the Georgetown and GW
campuses as well. Play. I don't know why she's barking,
but she was flipping out. Come back in with Senator
Byron don I'm sorry, Congressan Byron Donalds in just a
couple of minutes.
All right, second hour play and Buck yet's going now,
And we've been talking quite a bit about the Hunter
Biden situation, the realities of the American justice system. Keep
in mind that not only do we have a debate
coming up in a few weeks with Joe Biden, Hunter's dad,
and Donald Trump, which will be I think a very
(00:23):
highly watched debate. I think that's that's going to be
the case. But beyond that, you also will have near
maybe right afterwards, you'll have a Supreme Court decision on
the presidential immunity issue that ties into the Trump j.
(00:43):
Six case, and it will be the first time the
Supreme Court has really looked at what is the extent
of presidential immunity, What is the extent of what a
president can do without facing any legal repercussions. And so
there's going to be I think a lot of this
is now on the prediction side of things. Clay and
(01:03):
I see this one the same way. They're going to
come down with a not a total, but some immunity.
They'll effectively the Court will articulate here's where presidential immunity
stops and starts. Now, take that lower courts and figure
out what's going on here with this Trump j six situation,
I think the Democrats are going to be very unhappy
(01:25):
with even though it's not a total It could be,
but I think it's unlikely to be a total win
for the Trump side. But if it's not a total
loss for Trump, then they're going to view this as,
oh my gosh, the Supreme Court, we hate them so much,
they're so right wing. All that stuff, which I think
very much ties into the campaigns that you've been seeing
(01:46):
to go after Justice Thomas for going on vacation with friends, right,
that's basically been the yes, I'm very wealthy friends the
Supreme Court Justice. Wealthy people sometimes like to be around
brilliant and prominent people in general. So he's got some
friends who are rich and they're coming after him because
he goes on, like, you know, on golf vacations with
(02:08):
them or something. But they've always been going after Justice
Thomas's wife as well. She's pretty politically active, and now
they've added Justice Alito's wife into it. We talked a
bit about this, Clay. This is where the flag controversy.
I don't know if they're calling it flag gate or
if they were trying to, but the flag controversy and
(02:29):
the Appeal to Heaven flag that The New York Times
wrote this big story on. You would think, perhaps after
it came out that San Francisco was flying the Appeal
to Heaven flag outside its city Hall for like the
last thirty years, that this would go away. But no,
it has not gone away. Here is Pete Buttajudge, who
(02:50):
is still Secretary of Transportation, which is remarkable in and
of itself. Here is Pete Buttera judge talking to people
and saying that the appeal to have in flag, which
Justice Alito's wife flew at one of her private homes
at one point, is quote insurrectious symbology. Play it.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Supreme Court justices have an unbelievable amount of power, and
by the nature and the structure of the Supreme Court,
there's no supervision over that power. They are entrusted with
it literally for as long as they live. And part
of that trust is we expect them to enter into
those enormously consequential decisions that shape our everyday lives with
(03:33):
a sense of fairness. I also hope that most Americans
can understand the difference between a flag that symbolizes, you know,
love and acceptance and signals to people who have sometimes
feared for their safety that they're going to be okay,
and insurrectionist symbology. I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So claiy, I just this is a Cabinet secretary saying
that the Appeal to Heaven flag because Alitos, well, everyone
knows what it is or has been talking about it
because of Alito's wife, because of the attack on her.
I would argue, because of the upcoming Supreme Court decision
that they're not going to like and they don't control
the court, and that drives the libs insane. But He's
(04:13):
they're still pretending like this is somehow the Appeal to
Heaven flag is some right wing insurrectionist, you know, bad thing.
It flew for sixty years, Buck, as you mentioned, but
sixty years outside of San Francisco. Nobody noticed until the
New York Times decided to write this story and then
(04:34):
they said, uh, oh, we've got to bring it down immediately.
This is what I find so scary about democrats in general,
is they can take things that have existed for a
long time. Do you remember when the ok sign they
suddenly decided was a symbol of racism and you probably
remember back in the day, Buck, you remember when you
would like show that sign and it meant you were
(04:55):
gonna get thumped, like if you didn't. I've heard of this.
I actually never played or never familiar with this game
that some of the people were playing, but we played.
We played that game. All yeah, you were playing more
serious games. We were like trying to do the circle
and if somebody looked at it, you got to punch
them in the arm. For years, and they tried to
(05:18):
turn this into the Chicago Cubs. They had, you know,
you try to get it on television, and they did
it I think at the Army Navy game and all
of it was bs. But they take things that are
regular occurrences in everyday life and they suddenly decide that
they are symbolic of some sort of awfulness and they
(05:39):
try to remove them from regular life. And that's what
they're trying to do here, and this ties in You
and I were talking about off the air, we've set
on this show for years that we don't like secret recordings.
The idea that somebody would come up to you or
me and were at some public event and they're asking
(06:00):
questions and they're secretly recording it, and then they put
it out and they're like, oh my goodness, look at
what so and so said. Even when it's Project Veritas.
We've talked about this. You got some mediocre level employee
that's out with a hot chick at dinner, and you're
trying to impress them, and you're trying to say way
(06:21):
more things than you actually have control of, and you're
trying to have a conversation, and then it gets selectively
edited and next thing you know, like you're the grand
poobab CNN's editorial coverage when you're like the eighteenth Even
if you're a rock solid conservative single guy out there
on the scene, you're out with a very attractive lady.
If you tell her you're a male feminist, you're just
(06:42):
trying to get to date number two. We all get it,
you know what I mean. You gotta do what you
gotta do. I didn't even find any of it remotely
controversial because I did go listen to it. But the
idea that you're secretly recording Supreme Court justices to try
and catch them and their wives in wrongdoing is to me.
And this is what's going on here. Look behind the
(07:05):
news Trump is going to be given, according to the Constitution,
some level of protection for official actions under this ruling
that's gonna come down in a few weeks. They know
it because I bet Soto mayor and uh who said
(07:25):
that she's crying? What did she say recently that sometimes
she goes into her office and cries. Can we, by
the way, stop normalizing grown adults being unhappy about something
and putting themselves in their room by themselves and crying
about it when it's the course of your normal life.
Like if somebody dies, I get it, But this idea
(07:46):
are you with me on this? Like the idea that
somebody that this is a normal trope now that they cover,
especially on the left, it's like something happened at work
and it was so disappointing to me that I just
shut myself into my office and cry. I don't think
that's how an adult should behave to not getting something
that you want it at work. That doesn't feel to
(08:07):
me mature. It doesn't make me trust you more. Yeah,
it's not not the way that you want to present
yourself generally, But remember, a sense of victimization is at
the heart of so much of the way that democrats
think and also how they want to present themselves. So
you know, even with Pete Boodha judge here, he was like, well,
the pride fag symbolizes the people who fear for their safety. Right.
(08:29):
This is so if you oppose or have any concerns
about all of corporate America embracing wholesale or not all
of corporate America, but you know large corporations embracing trans
ideology for miners, you know you're you're threatening people's safety.
I mean, this is what this is what they always do.
It's a form of moral blackmail. But Clay something else
(08:50):
I want to bring to your attention here. Do you
know who agrees with us? It seems on the secret
recording issue. I saw this and I was like, oh
my goodness, I can't believe it. We're having a Fetterman
moment here where we say when something is good, that
it is good and views Sonny Houston, I want everyone
(09:12):
to hear what she says on the Justice Alito's wife
secret recording and then we will discuss play nine.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think it's like cool corraling cats for Justice Roberts.
I think he wants to maintain the integrity of the court.
I think that's very important to him. I think it's
very difficult with the composition of this particular court. It
is a lifetime appointment. I'm extremely disappointed at what I heard,
but I also am not comfortable with snippets of tape
(09:38):
recordings without consent being taken out of context. I haven't
let it is legal if there's a one party consent state,
and this was done in DC, which it is a
one party consent district. My problem is this happens to
us at the table all the time. We have a
full on conversation, someone takes a clip of what we say,
they blow it out of proportion.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, okay. She was doing well till the end there.
Because there's a difference between sitting on a TV platform
with a live audience and a couple of million people
believe me or believe it or not, that's how many
watched the view. It's pretty big watching you and clipping
that and what you believe to be a private conversation
on your own time with a person where you're being
(10:20):
secretly recorded. So she almost just to be clear, she
almost got this one right, but I know it's not.
She didn't go full Fetterman in terms of nailing something.
She it was like a half right. You know when
you ever did you ever have this where you're taking
a math I was not good at math in high school.
You'd show your work and you'd get like a half
point or something.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Oh yeah, this was like, we give.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Her a half point. She showed me work, but the
answer wasn't right. And the only reason she doesn't like
the taping of Alito is because she said a lot
of stupid stuff on her show that we've played. It's
a big difference between a private converse. I thought she
was gonna say, which I hadn't heard. I thought she
was gonna say, you know, sometimes we're out at a
restaurant and people will take like clip something from like
(11:01):
a private conversation. I was gonna say, that's wrong. I
don't think you should anybody out there, even if you
see somebody who you disagree with politically, I don't think
you should engage them in a fake conversation while you're
secretly recording them. First of all, it might be illegal
in your state, but then to put it out there,
I'll even go a step further. Buck. I don't agree
(11:22):
with the new York Times covering this as big a
news story. If you wouldn't do it yourself, why should
you be able to cover somebody else doing it. I
don't like the New York Times reporting very often, but
the New York Times would never allow a reporter to
surretitiously secretly record a conversation with someone while pretending to
(11:48):
be someone else and then run it as a news story.
If you wouldn't allow that reporting to occur yourself in
your organization, why should you use somebody else doing it
as a news story by your organization? Does that make
sense to you? Like I mean, I I think it's
actually a failure of New York Times journalists and ethics.
(12:09):
But if if Sonny Hostin's trying to convey, yes, context matters.
But if you say something stupid on a television program
in front of a live hike with a camera in
front of a live audience, pretending to be having brunch
with somebody just one on one having a chat as friends,
when you're really taping them to try to destroy their
reputation in their life, is not the same thing as
(12:30):
taking your TV comments out of out of context. Clay
I wanted to give her credit I wanted. I was
with you. She's making a good point. I'm gonna give
Sonny Hostin credit and then she just pivots to and
this happens to us. No, it's not it's not the
same at all. She did not hit the landing. You know,
it looked good for a second, but she did not
(12:51):
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Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. So we're gonna
be joined here shortly by who's the first year Senator
Bill Haggerty will be with Clay in DC, and also
later on we've got Congressman Byron Donald's joining and in
the third hour Mary Margaret Olahan, writer for the Daily
Signal with her book on transgender stuff. So we'll be
(14:53):
having some very interesting conversations coming up there. How is
the swamp, Clay, you are in the swamp right now?
Are you in an airbo or do you just go
around in uh like your you know, welli's I don't
know what you call them, and they like the rubber boots.
What do you call them in the city, Actually you
don't even have them probably in Tennessee. Rain boots, Yeah,
I guess rain boots, same idea. I'd never I've never
(15:14):
owned any rain gear ever, but I understand some people
out there are like, oh, I've got to have a raincoat.
I don't even own an umbrella. You just occasionally gonna
get a little bit wet, deal with it. That's my
theory on the rain. The swap here, I would say is,
first of all, the weather's been fabulous. But the couple
(15:34):
of things that I thought were interesting. One I took
my son, who's sixteen, around you can see all of
in Lafayette Square, Lafayette Park, so many of these defaced
monuments you can still see. They've been trying to clean them,
but all the graffiti is still there. The other thing
I will say, as I mentioned Monday, they were having
the Juneteenth celebration. As we were walking around the park,
(15:59):
my son and we passed a couple of Secret Service
agents and they are big fans, so I I it
was it was great. You know, we're walking across I
guess Constitution AB whatever it is down near the UH
down near the mall, and as we're walking by, a
(16:20):
couple of Secret Service agents are set up there and
they stopped us. And I thought like, oh, is this
area restricted? Are we allowed to continue to walk through there?
And one of the Secret Service agents, that is one
that initially stopped us, said, Hey, Clay, big fan Govalls,
he's a Tennessee fan. He's from the state of Tennessee. Uh.
And then we stopped and talked to him for a while,
(16:42):
and UH. I think it was just kind of interesting.
My son enjoyed that conversation too, But I think it's
interesting too for our audience to remember there are lots
of people who love America and are going to give
their life to protect even someone that they might not
want to vote for themselves. And I don't know that
(17:03):
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amazing Secret Service agents who will put their lives on
the line every single day, even if they themselves may
not agree with what the people they're representing are doing,
because they love this country so much they're willing to
give their lives to protect its leaders. I remember talking
(17:25):
to Special Operations guys in Afghanistan at the start or
you know, the early days of the Obama administration, and
let me just say, a lot of the tip of
the spear specops guys were huge Obama fans. But but
they're like, he's a commander in chief, we have a mission.
We do the mission, you know. So that attitude is
still alive and well in America today, which is something
(17:49):
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is Senator Haggarty of the Great States of Tennessee. Senator,
appreciate you coming and hang out. Sorry, Clay couldn't put
a tie on for you, but I don't know if
I don't think he actually owns a tie. I'm trying
to avoid all ties. But we were talking off air,
and the Senator's got a couple of kids who are
(19:14):
away in college. Our kids are at the same school
in Nashville, have been. It's a fabulous school. And I'm
up here right now visiting schools with my sixteen year old.
So that's why I'm in a T shirt and shorts.
We've been running around. It's warm. It's nice following his
father's footsteps too. That's back to what could be true.
We'll see exactly how that goes. But you were just
(19:35):
telling us off air you have been talking with Donald
Trump quite a lot about as we get closer a
little bit under five months from the election, what can
you tell us about how the president's doing, how you
think the campaign's going, and also you're in the Senate.
How close do you think and how what would you
say the status is of taking back control of the
(19:56):
Senate as you sort of survey the election.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
To start with that question, Firs, we'll get to the
president with respect to the United States Senate. I think
most of our listeners know this, but every two years,
a third of the Senate comes up for re election.
You know, thirty four to thirty three seats are up
every two years. This time, the Democrats are defending twenty
three seats. Republicans have obviously a two to one advantage
there in terms of how then the resources will be
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spread by Democrats. They always have more money, but they'll
be spread across more states. Three of those are Democrats
serving in Republican states, and in a presidential election year,
it's going to be very tough for these Democrats. As people,
you know, would hope perhaps that they could get in
an off year with a lower turnout, that they might
be able to pull the wall over the electric's eyes,
(20:41):
get a high turnout out of their base. I don't
know what the case may be, but this is going
to be a high turnout election. And we're going to
not take anything for granted. But I really do believe
we've got a real advantage. We're right now forty nine
Republicans to fifty one Democrats. Joe Mancher has already dropped out.
He knows there's no path to victory for him in
West Virginia. Jim jo will be our next senator from
West Virginia. That takes us to fifty to fifty right there.
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We're then looking at Montana, We're looking at Ohio, Pennsylvania, Nevada,
you keep going, Michigan, Wisconsin, get a little bit further
out of reach, Arizona. Real possibility for us there. But
I think there's a great chance that we're going to
pick up several seats in the Senate. We will take
control back the betting markets, and certainly the polls have
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us taking it back. But I'm not taking anything for granted.
With respect to the presidential race. I think the presidential
race and the House races will actually move in the
same direction. And there, as I said, I was speaking
with the President just yesterday about this, our momentum is
absolutely moving the right direction. If you look at the
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betting markets right now, Donald Trump is the odds on favor.
The Economist does a type of survey where they take
into account not only polling data, but history right track,
wrong track, and how those of measures tend to manifest
themselves in an election, and they have Donald Trump with
two to one odds relative to Biden. In terms of winning,
(22:08):
Donald Trump's got two out of three and Joe Biden's
got only one out of three odds of winning this fall.
So all of this says we need to be very
prepared for what's going to happen. We need to be
ready to go on day one. Whomever wins this election
will have only four years ahead of them, and the
first one hundred days I think are going to be
absolutely critical to regaining our nation's economic capacity, to securing
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our nation with the disaster at the southern border and
all the crime that's happening in our cities, the national
security crises that Joe Biden is created.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Literally around the world.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
The world is on fire right now thanks to their
thanks to ill founded policies and their instincts which all
seem to be wrong. They seem to want to appease
and show weakness at every point. We should be showing
American strength. That's going to change day one when Donald
Trump comes in And I just left a meeting in
the Senate where we're talking about reconciliation process, which is
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a budgetary tool that will be used early on in
the first first months of the new Congress, which will
correspond to the arrival of a new executive And we
need to be deeply aligned on the legislative side. We
need every Republican on board supporting us implementing President Trump's agenda.
I have a feeling the mandate for President Trump's going
to become very clear on election Day, and we need
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to be ready on the legislative branch side as well.
As I know, the President's team is getting executive orders
ready to undo some of the massive damage that Joe
Biden has done to America.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Senator Haggerty with us from Tennessee. But in DC. Senator,
we didn't report on this on the show, but the Democrats,
I believe, were certainly celebrating on their side that two
hundred federal judges have been have gotten through the Senate
through confirmation and put on the federal bench under Biden.
(23:53):
Are you concerned about the kind of nominees that are
currently getting through and do you feel like that heightens
the need for Republics to be able to no matter what,
let's say, even if Biden were to win the presidency,
to slow down what seems to be a radicalizing judiciary
under Biden's time.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Well, Buck, you hit the nail on the head. I
think this will be one of Chuck Schumer hope hopefully's
only a point of pride is bringing in the most
radical appointees to the federal bench that we've ever seen.
The way it works in the Senate for what they
call executive character appointments is that rather than a sixty
vote threshold, which is what we have for legislation, there's
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only a fifty plus one threshold for these appointees. Schumer
has the votes, and so we push back hard at
every turn. They put some absolutely terrible nominees forward, people
without relevant experience, people that have no business in the courtroom.
They don't have any any capacity, couldn't be in front
of a judge. Why in the world are they going
to be behind the bench? But that's where they're moving
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because the credentials they're looking for are radical credentials, or
they're just looking for some type of demographic credential that
they can pack there that they can pat themselves in
the back about accomplishing. But confidence seems to be the
lowest tick mark on that list. Buck, Confidence seems to
be the last thing considered. It's everything else, from ideology
to demographics that seem to be driving that process. Chuck
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Schumer learned his lesson from Mitch McConnell. If you go
back to the previous Trump administration, President Trump and Leader
McConnell worked on putting a lot of strong conservative judges
into the judiciary, and Chuck Schumer learned from that playbook.
They're doing the same thing. I think it will continue
to be a key element of strategy. Depending on which
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party controls the Senate, they will work. They'll be focused
on that very much.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You have a great relationship with Donald Trump. You served
in the administration. I've been around you and President Trump.
He is incredibly complimentary of you. I saw in the
New York Times. Granted, we know that the New York
Times doesn't always have things one hundred percent right.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
That's often the case.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I saw that you are a vice presidential candidate. According
to the New York Times. It would not surprise me
at all based on what I have seen Trump say
about you and the relationship. Have you talked about the
vice presidency at all? Would that be something that you
were interested in? If Trump came to you and said,
(26:18):
as I know he does, I really trust your opinion.
I think you could help us get over the finish line.
What kind of conversations have there with it.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Here's what I want to say, first and foremost. The
most critical thing for this nation right now is that
Donald Trump win in November. And the last thing he
needs is a sideshow, you know, a bunch of folks
auditioning for a job. He needs to be able to
focus entirely on getting elected, and whatever will help him
in terms of the VP pick will increase his chances
and odds the greatest of winning that election. That's the
(26:48):
outcome I want. In terms of the vice presidential selection process.
It's certainly a compliment to find your name on these
lists that I can tell you. I've no intention of
engaging in speculation. I'll let the speculators do that. My
job has been is going to continue to be to
carry on the momentum. I'm the only member of his
administration that's in the United States Senate. I have been
(27:08):
advocating from day one of arriving there for the policies
that President Trump so successfully implemented and had on the
books to move forward. So President Trump knows he's got
a very strong ally on me in any capacity, and
right now my focus is making certain that we are
going to be ready on day one in the United
States Senate to incorporate and deliver on the types of
(27:30):
policy changes that are absolutely necessary to get our economy back,
to get our national security back, to rebuild our military,
and again have foreign relations that actually advantage America rather
than every one of our adversaries. I was asking the
President literally just yesterday, who has won under Donald I
mean under Joe Biden's policies, And the hands down winner
(27:52):
every time you ask the question is generally China and
the next best The next best off tend to be Iran, Russia,
and all of our adversaries combined. Those are the biggest
winners under Joe Biden's policy, whether it's the war he's
waged on domestic energy that it essentially has allowed energy
prices to go up around the world and allowed us
(28:12):
to inadvertently fund Russia's war on Ukraine, their refusal to
impose or I should say, enforce, the sanctions that are
on Iran. I work very hard to get those sanctions
in place. When I served in the Trump administration. They
immediately stopped and forcing them, and we saw Iran's reserves
go from single digit billions all the way up to
triple digit billions under Joe Biden. They've used those funds
(28:33):
to basically dismantle peace in the Middle East. They funded hamas,
they fund hesblah. They're funding the hoodies right now, shutting
down the Red Sea, now everything, every place you look.
We have disasters that benefit our adversaries. Those are the
only winder winners under the Biden administration's policies our adversaries.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Senator Hagary, appreciate you being with us. Cool for Glady
to get to hang out with you in person. There.
I'll come to DC next time around. So thank you
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Speaker 1 (30:20):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We got
Senator Haggerty still with us, and we kept talking during
the commercial break, and I wanted to give you an
opportunity because we're talking to five hundred stations all over
the country and you were talking in the last segment
about the battlegrounds in the Senate Montana. Certainly Ohio, West
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Virginia is looking good, but so much of this And
you and I talked about this right after the twenty
twenty two disappointment. You're a data guy. People don't know this.
You worked in tech, you had a business success before
you came into the political arena. And you said in
our conversations, we just got to dive in to the
data and figure out why Democrats are doing a better
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job getting their people out than we are. What is
going to change in your mind with that data, and
how can you use it to get not only for
the presidential race, but in particular in the Senate As
you mentioned red state Montana, red state Ohio, red state
West Virginia, and then Nevada and Pennsylvania. And you look
(31:23):
at that data, how do you get those voters out?
What has changed since twenty two based on what you've seen?
Here's how got at the data.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
In twenty twenty two, we had a result that was
quite contrary to what I thought because I was looking
at the polling data close to the election.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
My background. I started out at.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
A place called the Boston Consulting Group, very analytically oriented.
We basically went back and looked at each state and
tried to figure out what caused us to lose. Reverse
engineered your results exactly exactly, and what we found varied.
The means varied by every state, but what we found
is that we were beaten on the ground. Exhibit DY
would be Pennsylvania. There you had John Femen who had
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amassed over nine hundred thousand early votes before he ever
had to come up against Doctor Oz. Terrible debate. As
you know, the most googled question in Pennsylvania for the
week that followed was how do I change my vote?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, you can't.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Doctor Oz wins by four hundred thousand votes on election David,
that's not enough to overcome the seven hundred thousand vote
margin that Vetterman had. That sort of exhibit A to
me to say, we've got to have a ground game
in place that's commensurate with what the Democrats have. So
we have been very focused on those states where we
think it's going to be close. And what we're trying
to do is get low proclivity voters. These are people
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that vote one, two, maybe even three out of four
of the last elections Republican voters to turn out. And
the Sentinel Action Fund is the group that I've been
sort of adding leadership to. But the Sentinel Action Fund
has teams on the ground that are focused in states
like Pennsylvania, Ohio. I mean, we will go to others,
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but focused on getting early ballot requests out, getting people
on the absentee ballot rolls of that's what gets them
to vote, requesting their early ballots if that's what's necessary,
and the state. It all depends on varying state rules
and helping people. Ballot harvesting is allowed, for example, in
some states, the Democrats have mastered that we've got to
play by those same set of rules. Even if we
don't like it, we certainly can't be caught, you know,
(33:18):
without an ability to step up and match what the
Democrats are doing. So that has been my focus. The
outcome may be only a two to three four percent difference,
but in some of these states that are very close Clay,
that could make all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Do you think Senator Hackering this legal stuff that we're seeing,
I mean, there's so much of it right the fore,
the four cases against Trump one completed now with the indictment,
the Hunter Biden guilty verdict. Do you think any of
this really matters in the places where the election is
going to be decided, either for control of the Senate
or for the presidency.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Well, in terms of polling numbers, we may not see
a massive bump for the president, but in terms of
enthusiasm on our side, it's through the roof Clay, it's
through the roof Buck, the enthusiasm that's come forward. Americans
don't want to see their country moving down this path.
I don't care if you're a Democrat and Independent or Republican.
They know what happened in New York was wrong. The
weaponization of the judicial system is wrong. And I think
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they know next up could be one of us. So
it's something that has absolutely motivated the base. You look
at the fundraising numbers and Buck, you asked about the change,
There's been a tidal wave of financial support for President Trump,
over four hundred million dollars just since that verdict was delivered.
This is going to give us the resources. It will
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definitely impact the election, not the way Joe Biden had
hoped it would. It's backfiring on the Democrats, and I
think what it's going to do is just carry a
massive wave of enthusiasm throughout the country and it's going
to help in the effort I just described to get
people to turn out early and vote.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
You know that Asia, well, how concerned are you You
mentioned that China is the big winner of the Biden administration.
How concerned are you that China could invade Taiwan when
they see Biden's weakness? Based on your experience Asian Pacific region.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Clay as usual always target the very real concerns, and
that's one I think that we're all deeply concerned about.
China continues to build its military capacity. The United States
has made some great press releases about what we're doing
in the region, but we've got to actually be serious
about it. You've got a Pentagon right now that's working
on its pronouns. You've got Joe Biden that has attacked
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one of our greatest sources of geopolitical strength, that's our
energy industry. We should be delivering L and G throughout
the whole Southeast Asia region and pushing back. Instead, we're
standing there idly watching China buy every bit of energy
they can from Russia and from Iran and enriching our adversary.
So I think the concern is great about what China
can do. They've benefited a great deal from these bad policies,
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and we need to.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Be on the lookout. Senator Haggerty buck with us. This
is pretty awesome. We're also going to have Byron Donald's
with us here in a little bit, talk about the
situation in the house. As I'm in DC, Buck is
down in Miami. You might hear a dog barking in
the background there. Buck Ginger sounds like she's fired up
with how the conversations are going. I just heard her
(36:03):
a second ago. Very much the case. Ginger wishes that
she could get a tour of the Georgetown and GW
campuses as well. Play. I don't know why she's barking,
but she was flipping out. Come back in with Senator
Byron don I'm sorry, Congressan Byron Donalds in just a
couple of minutes.
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