In this episode, Miranda Devine discusses the guilty verdict for Hunter Biden on his felony gun charges and the upcoming tax trial. She highlights the influence of privilege and power in the courtroom and the attempts by Joe Biden's Department of Justice to protect Hunter and the president. Miranda also reveals the efforts to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story and the collaboration between the government and the media to deceive the public. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've been hearing a lot from the media and the
Democrats lately pointing to the guilty verdict for Hunter Biden
on his felony gun charges and saying, see, there is
an equal application of the law. It isn't a two
tier justice system like Republicans say it is.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But is that the full truth?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I mean, even looking ahead at his tax trial on
September fifth, that doesn't cover a whole host of hunter
Biden's criminal acts or the fact that David Weiss, according
to whistleblowers, allowed the Statute of Limitations and some of
the more serious Breezema money to lapse. So what is
the full story? How much trouble should Hunter Biden actually
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be in. We're going to talk to the woman who
wrote the book about it, The Laptop from Hell. Also,
how vindicated does she feel after writing a book about
something that we were told was Russian disinformation by fifty
one former Intel officers, including five former CIA directors or
acting directors, which is truly disturbing. What should you know
(01:01):
about all of this and what does it mean and
what does it tell you and us about our own government.
We're going to get into all of that with the brilliant.
Miranda Divine. Of course you know her from Fox News.
She's a truth teller at the New York Post and
also she is the best selling author of The Laptop
from Hell.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We're all going to learn a lot from Miranda Divine. Miranda,
it's great to have you on the show. I am
very excited to hear your take on all of this
Hunter Biden stuff. So I'm looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Great to be with you, Lisa, I'm looking forward to
it too.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So, Miranda, before we get into some of the tax stuff,
what did you make of the guilty verdict for Hunter
Biden on his felony gun charges.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I was a little surprised, I sort of put it.
Someone asked me beforehand the odds, and I thought it
was like sixty five percent a hung jury, because well,
Abbi loll. Hunter's very expensive lawyer is renowned as a
jury whisperer, although I didn't see any traces of it
when I was in court. Really he's not terribly charming.
(02:12):
I don't think he really had them eating out of
the palm of his hand at all. But then I thought, well,
maybe he just chose them. Really well, and certainly seven
out of the twelve jurors had said that they had
family members or close friends who suffered from addiction problems,
and so I think that was Abbi Lole's strategy, was
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to pull at the heart strings and just get them
to sympathize with the fact that Hunter had a really
raging crack addiction for several years. But I'm not sure
that really worked the sympathy. I mean, obviously it didn't
because it was a unanimous, you know, twelve all verdict,
and I just feel like there was that Hunter Biden
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gave such a show of being a son of privilege.
It just you know, the fact that the first lady
was behind him every day, and the first row dressed
to the nines in very bright, uncharacteristically bright, bold colors
so that you could not miss her, and of course
she had her secret service detail around her. And then
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Hunter's wife, Melissa Cohen, was similarly not bright colors, but
very elegantly dressed. Same with his aunt Val the President's sister.
You know, it was almost like, you know, real housewives
of the Wilmington District Court. And so really the first
three rows were Biden family or hangers on, and I
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don't think it really gave the impression that they wanted to.
It gave an impression of power and privilege, so much
so that the prosecutors in their summing up, Leo Weiss said,
gestured over to the first lady and said to the
jurors that is not evidence. You might recognize these people
from the news, but what you have to look at
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is not what's going on outside the evidence. Just look
at the evidence. And that's what they did. And the
evidence was just kind of impossible to get over. It
was pretty damning.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I laughed because I'm embarrassed in met that I do
watch the Housewives the house byself. I like that. Why
it was like, you're speaking to me around us, you're
speaking my language. Yeah, it did feel like the first
lady was kind of trying to send a message and
you know, sort of maybe intimidate a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think so. I mean, look, on the one hand, obviously,
like all things the Bidens do, they always have plausible deniability.
They always have another reason. Like when Joe Biden dropped
in to that late night visit to Hallie Biden, who
was like the star witness against Hunter. For the prosecution,
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he dropped in to see her like ten days eleven
days before she took the stand against her son. And
you know, as far as we can tell, he's never
done that before. He's never dropped in to see her,
certainly not as vice as sorry, as president. And he
spent fifteen minutes with her. And you know, if it
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was anyone else, you'd say, oh, he's intimidating the witness
or whatever. I mean. His people say, oh, no, they
didn't talk about the trial. But does he really need
to talk about the trial? Here he is the president
of the United States showing up late at night at
her home in Delaware, in Wilmington, near his on his
way back to the airport. And all he has to
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say is, we love you. You know, you're part of
our family forever, et cetera, et cetera, and we would
hate to lose sight of you, or hate hate not
to be able to see the kids anymore. That's all
he has to say. And it just puts pressure on
her that I'm sure, well you could tell she was
under a hell of a lot of pressure. But luckily
for Halle Biden, who was Hunter Biden's sister in law,
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she had been married to his brother Bo, who sadly
died of brain cancer in twenty fifteen, So he was
Hunter Biden then took up with his sister in law.
They had a romantic, rather tormented relationship for a year
or two after that, and she's, luckily for her, just remarried.
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In fact, the weekend before the trial began, she married
this wealthy finance broker from Ohio, and she had a
big diamond on her ring finger to show for it.
And she was in the witness box waving and smiling
at someone in the you know, we were wondering who,
and it turned out this was her new husband, and
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he'd brought along a lawyer, and he was sitting pretty
much as far as you could get from the Bidens
on the other side of the room.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So now Hunter Biden's going to face a tax trial
that starts on September fifth. He has been dated on
three felony tax offenses six misdemeanors. But that doesn't cover everything.
What do we know about Joe Biden's Department of Justices
efforts and attempts to trade to protect Hunter Biden and
also protect the president.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, everything we know comes from those two courageous IRS whistleblowers,
Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, and they worked on Joe
Ziegler worked on that inquiry, that investigation into Hunter Biden
in Delaware from the start five years long that investigation
was and Gary Shapley came in about a year into it,
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and he was the supervisor. And they are the top notch.
I mean, they are in the equivalent of the Seal
Team six of the IRS. They work international crimes. They
are brilliant, and they were treated really badly. And they
saw how the DOJ the prosecutors there in their US
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Attorney David Weiss's office, were obstructing and slow walking this
investigation and blocking any investigative trail that would naturally lead
to Joe Biden. And in fact Leslie Wolf, who was
the top prosecutor there, actually said to them, no, you
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can't ask anything about the big guy, which was Joe Biden.
And you know, of course they had the laptop with
all that incriminating information on it, plus they had backups
to Hunters iPad and iPhones. Plus they had the iCloud
data which duplicated what was on the laptop and the
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iPhones and iPad. So and then they had, you know,
all these witnesses that they could interview, so they had
a lot of information and a lot of it was
leading to Joe Biden, but they weren't allowed to go
down that path. And you know, even things like search
warrants that they wanted for a cottage on Joe Biden's
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lavish estate in Greenville, Delaware that Hunter Biden was living in,
they weren't allowed to get a search warrant for that.
A storage locker that Hunter had a whole lot of
documents stored in, they wanted to get a search warrant
for that, but unfortunately, the prosecutors tipped off Hunter Biden's
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legal team and in the end they were going to
i think by January twenty twenty three, Hunter Biden was
going to get I think it's called a non prosecution
order or something. Anyway, it was basically he wasn't going
to have to plead guilty to anything, and so he
was going to get off scot free. And they had
been looking at foreign agent lobbying violations man Act, which
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is sex trafficking violations, a lot of tax fraud, bribery,
money laundering, wire fraud. They'd been looking at all of that,
and they'd been blocked from a lot of it, but
they were ready to oh in the gun violation as well,
and they were ready to charge a lot of that.
It had actually been approved by DOJ tax But David
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Weiss was going to let it all go away until
the IRIS whistleblowers decided to go and make some protected
disclosures up the line and to Congress. And what happened
was that what they think happened is that David Weiss
got wind from the Democrats of their testimony behind closed
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doors and panicked and told his prosecutors, you have to
get Hunter to plead guilty to at least a couple
of misdemeanors, because we can't get away with nothing. And
so that's what they did. We've seen a lot of
the sort of internal discussions because Hunter's lawyers leaked to
them because they were so angry after this plea deal
(11:07):
that they eventually came to where Hunter would plead guilty
to a couple of misdemeanors, but in return he was
going to get blanket immunity. That's what David Weiss agreed to,
and it was only when it went to the court
in Delaware and there was an honest judge, Judge Mary
Ellen Nora Acer that she said, Hey, this is very unusual.
(11:28):
I don't understand how you can, you know, give him
blanket immunity. Is that what you actually want? She said
in court to the new prosecutor who'd been brought in,
who was a real prosecutor, and he said, well, not really,
And Hunter Biden's lawyer said, well, that's it. The whole
thing's off. And that was their fatal mistake because then
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there was such an uproar that David Weiss Merrick Galen,
the Attorney General, had to make Merrick GUIs a special
Weiss a special counsel, and with these real prosecutors, they
had to go ahead and charge him for the bare
minimum because David Weiss had allowed the statute of limitations
to run out on the twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen,
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which were the most serious years where the most serious
charges lay, because those the Barrisma years, the years that
Hunter was getting paid a million dollars a year to
sit on the board of this corrupt Ukrainian energy company.
And it also was dangerous for Joe Biden because it
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covered his forcing the Ukrainian government to fire the honest
Ukrainian Prosecutor general who was investigating Barisma. So with those
years the statute of limitations wiping those out, it was
kind of safe to go ahead and just charge Hunter
with some tax for all offenses, which are still serious,
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but compared to the rest of the investigation, it's the tip.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Of the We've got to take a quick commercial break
more with Miranda Divine on the other side. So when
people when the left points and the media points to
like the guilty verdict and the felony gun charges and
the fact that this tax trial is moving forward and say, hey, look,
you know the roll law does exist. You know, equo
application of the law doesn't really quite tell the full story,
(13:21):
as you just laid out in the Department of Justice's
attempts to kind of thwart further investigation into Hunter Biden
and his dad. So federal prosecutors have now admitted that
the Hunter Biden laptop is real. You've known this, you
wrote the book about it. The New York Post broke
the story. Take us down memory lane, if you will, Miranda,
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about the efforts to try to cover that up and
to lie to the public, both from the media and
from government officials.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, the most obvious attempt we saw, like a few
hours after we publicshed our first story from the laptop,
and that was an email from Hunter, Biden's Ukrainian paymaster
to Hunter thanking him for introducing him to his vice
president father in Washington. And so that was pretty damaging
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because you know, this is October twenty twenty, and Joe
Biden had sworn blind that he knew nothing about his son,
Hunters overseas business dealings. He was evidence that he'd met
with one of Hunter's Ukrainian business partners. And so his campaign,
Joe Biden's campaign just said, oh, no, you know, there's
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no such meeting ever took place. They said that to
all the other media. To us, they said, oh, there's
nothing on his official schedule. Joe Biden went to ground,
and well, big tech sensored our story within ours. They
both Twitter and Facebook just throttled the story, made sure
it couldn't be shared. Twitter even spended people like Kaylee Mcanennie,
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who was Donald Trump, President Trump's press secretary. When she
tried to share it by direct message with one other
person privately, she was suspended our account, The New York
Post account was suspended for two weeks, just till a
couple of days before the election, and then that sort
of gave the rest of the media pause about following up.
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But then three days later we had the Coudi Grass,
which was the dishonest letter from the fifty one former
intelligence officials pretending that the laptop and our stories therefore
was Russian disinformation. And Joe Biden used that letter in
the debate against Donald Trump, the final debate, when he
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called the laptop a Russian plant and said it was
a bunch of garbage what Donald Trump was trying to
say about it, And so that got Joe Biden successfully
off the hook. And that was the plan, because the
whole letter was set up by Anthony Blincoln, our Secretary
of State, but then he was a senior advisor in
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the Biden campaign. He phoned Mike Morell, a former acting
director of the CIA, and he instigated that letter. He
planted the seed for him to write the letter a
lying letter and get fifty of his former colleagues, mainly
from the CIA, to sign it. And they were heavyweights,
five former directors of the CIA or acting directors, people
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like what's his name, John Brennan. Then there was James Clapper,
that was leam Panetta, a few others, you know, a big,
big time, heavy duty intelligence people, and that convinced the media,
not that they needed much convincing, but it was the
fig leaf to convince them that they weren't going to
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cover this story, which would have been so damaging to
Joe Biden. And then we found out also afterwards that
the FBI had been there behind the scenes for weeks
before the election, basically pre bunking our story, knowing that
it was going to come out, probably before the election
because lo and behold, we found out that they'd been
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spying on Rudy Giuliani, so they knew when John, or
they should have known if they'd been watching when John
Paul mac Isaac sent Rudy Giuliani in email saying he
had this laptop and what was in it very detailed
forensic information that would have sent alarm bells through the
Biden campaign. And then they also if they'd been looking,
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as they had his iCloud information, they would have seen
his messages with me, not a lot of it, but
enough to show you where I said to Giuliani, Look,
we're good don't give the story to anyone else. So
they knew that the New York Post was coming and
therefore they pre bunked it. It's quite egregious when you
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look at the Twitter files to see what detail they
went to to make sure that both Facebook and Twitter
and I presume other social media were pre warned that
if they saw our story, that they would recognize it
immediately as a Russian hack and dump operation.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And we've now had a few of these huge moments
that have changed sort of the course of history where
we have sort of seen this collaboration between the government
the media to just full scale lie to the public.
I mean, we saw that with the Russia hoax, with
the FBI weaponization against Donald Trump and the media carrying
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its water. We saw that with this with the laptop
being real, and then the full scale coordination between the
government and the media lying to the American people. We
saw this during COVID as well.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Even as far back as the Iraq War. The WMDs,
you know, with the intelligence community has been manipulating the
media and you know, American public opinion. I don't know
how long. I mean, I only became aware of the
full extent of it when I started investigating this story,
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and I've got another book out which is basically all
about that. I mean, it's coming out in September, which
is all about the cover up and the involvement of
the CIA and the FBI. I mean, the CIA was
so egregious in this story. They even we found we
only find out bits and pieces. You don't get the
full picture, obviously, but they're very good at covering their tracks.
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But we know from the IRIS whistleblowers, for instance, that
the prosecutors were called into Langley CIA headquarters and warned
off interviewing a key witness who was Kevin Morris, a lawyer,
Hollywood lawyer who's been bankrolling Hunter Biden to the tune
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of on the surface six and a half million, I count,
I reckon it's closer to ten million dollars, paying off
his tax debts and funding his lavish lifestyle, paying off
his things like his baby mama, child support. It's quite
amazing how much was hidden before the election in twenty
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twenty to ensure that there were no scandals from a
Hunter that blew up before the election and damaged Joe
Biden's campaign. And that was done with all this money
from this Hollywood lawyer who didn't know Hunter until he
was introduced to him in early in early twenty twenty
late twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
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to take a stand. Today you had mentioned this CIA
manipulating the media. Is it manipulation or is the media
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willingly carrying the water or is it both?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Look it's both because obviously the media doesn't want the
liberal media didn't want Donald Trump to succeed to win
the twenty sixteen, to win the twenty twenty elections, to
win the twenty four elections, so they're quite happy for
their intelligence sources to feed them garbage like the Steel dossier,
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like the Russian disinformation story about the laptop, and they
never do any due diligence on it. You know. The
irony is that we've had the New York Times even
this week, even after the laptop's been admitted as evidence
in the trial of Hunter Biden as government trial Exhibit
number sixteen. It's been fully authenticated and verified, including the contents,
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by the FBI by their forensic experts, and yet the
New York Times is still yesterday or the day before,
attacking the New York Post and saying that, you know,
we hadn't fully vetted the laptop and we don't do
a good enough job Washington Post as well, Philip Bump,
and that we hadn't you know, verified the stories and
the links that we've drawn from the laptop to Joe Biden.
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I mean, they did no due diligence on the Steel dossier.
We did enormous due diligence, which has all been proven true.
And none of our stories have ever been found wanting.
And you know, almost four years later, we said that
the laptop was legit, the information that we were publishing
from it was legit, And now it's been proven in
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a court of law. And they're still pretending because they will,
they will just walk over broken glass to affirm that
their intelligence sources are not lying to them when they've
been lied to non stop for years.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You don't even think about it often. When Chuck Schumer
was on MSNBC in January of twenty seventeen and say
and said, you take on the intelligence community their sex
ways from Sunday at getting back at.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Ell exactly, Wasn't that interesting? That was such a telling remark.
And you know, to be honest, Donald Trump probably was
a naive like all of us, about the extent of
their intelligence community's kind of intervention in democracy. It's really
quite frightening, and I think Donald Trump is, having experienced
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what he did, I think he'll be a lot more
careful if he wins the next election.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What level of coordination do you think there has been
between the federal government and Alvin Bragg's office and trying
to get Donald Trump and New York City. You know,
we know that the number three at the Department of
Justice went over to work on the case and worked
for Brad But in your estimation, how coordinated do you
think that was? When the media says, oh, no, the
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by administration had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I haven't done much my own research on that, but
there's quite a lot of evidence out there. You just
mentioned Matthew Colangelo, who was number three at the federal
DOJ and then took a much lesser position at the
state you know, well, not state, I mean city local
Manhattan DA's office, just to get Trump. He ran to
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get Trump campaign inside Bragg's office. And then you know,
you have other bits and pieces where you see that
in the Georgia trial. You have Fanny Willis's boyfriend whose
name momentarily escapes me, but he was supposed to be
running the get Trump operation there in Georgia, and he
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goes and visits the White House. We can see that
on White House logs, and meets with Anthony Bernal, who's
ostensibly the First Lady's kind of senior advisor, but he
has his fingers in every pie, and he's an advisor
to Joe Biden as well. He was there last week
in the Hunter Biden trial, sticking like a limpet to
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the First Lady's side. He's a very Machiavelian person and
quite clever at his various strategies, so I wouldn't mind
betting that he's been involved as well in the coordination.
Someone is coordinating all these different get Trump legal ex
peditions around the country, whether it's Jack Smith or Fanny
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Willis or although I'm heard she doesn't like being called Fanny,
I don't know how meant to pronounce that name. I'm
not saying that to be rude. I'm just saying that's
the way it looks and it should be pronounced. I
would have thought, and Alvin Bragg as well. So there
is definitely some sort of coordination, but of course they're
not stupid enough to have it in emails or in
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anything that's readily easily available. They will be using operational
situational awareness or operational security methods to make sure that
none of it's discoverable.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Do you think we'll ever get the full truth about
Joe Biden's involvement in his son's business dealings.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I don't know. It really depends after the election, if
Donald Trump wins, if there is a stomach to actually
do proper investigations, and the fact that he's so old,
and you saw Robert her in the classified documents case,
the special counsel there say that, well, you know, there
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was plenty of evidence to charge him with but because
he's a basically senile and you know, a well meaning
old man, which I totally disagree with, that he's well made.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That made me really mad.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah that you know, a jury wouldn't find him guilty,
So he's he's cognitively unfit to stand trial. I'm you know,
I think he's perfectly cognitively fit to stand trial because
you see him when he needs to, he's as sharp
as attack. He'll be sharp as attack in the first
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debate against Donald Trump, as he was in twenty twenty.
And I think Mike Ben's has a very good way
of looking at it. He says that Joe Biden's brain
is kind of like a computer when you put it
into sleep mode when you don't want to waste energy.
That's him. When you see him sort of fuddling around
and getting lost in the or you know, turning his
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back on the rest of the people and just being
looking like a real eskp from an old people's home.
But then when he needs to, he switches on again,
and that's when you turn the computer into wake up mode.
So whether it's drugs or whether he just has an
ability himself to switch on and off, I don't know,
but I think underestimating Joe Biden's culpability is a big mistake,
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and I think that the Republicans should be wary not
to fall into that trap. It's almost like there was
a mobster in New York and can't remember his name,
but he used to wander around in a bath robe,
looking like, you know, muttering to himself around the Lower
East Side, looking like he was a you know, completely senile,
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and that was to put the FBI off because they
had him in his sights and make them think that
he wasn't fit to stand trial. And it worked. Somewhat
for him, and it worked for Joe Biden with Robert
hur And you could sort of tell from the transcript,
and I'm sure it'd be really obvious from the audio
if we were able to get it that whenever the
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questions became difficult, he'd start, you know, meandering and sort
of changing the subject, and it's it's a ruse.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well yeah, it's also I mean, you can't be well
meaning and intentionally mishandle classific information dating back to your
time in the Senate. You know, it's like, that's that's
not well mean. You know, how is that well meaning?
That's that's what really bothered me about the report. You know,
before we go, Uh, you've covered all of this, right,
You've been at the center of it. You've you know,
(29:42):
done such a fantastic job and covering so much stuff
about the Biden family and Hunter Biden. What what have
you learned about our government through all of this?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, I've learned not to trust it. You know. I
used to be being kind of a conservative and law
and order person, and I was a police reporter many
years ago, which probably set a lot of my ideas up.
I trusted, you know, I always trusted the intelligence officials.
I trusted you know, police and federal prosecutors, and just
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thought that they were doing the right thing to keep
us safe. And they have done. I mean, I'm not
saying I'm not writing them all off, but I think
what's happened increasingly in recent years is they have lost
sight of their primary mission and now they're you know,
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they've been rampaging around the world, staging regime change and
causing a lot of mayhem that was unnecessarily and damaging
to America. And then I think in the twenty twenty election,
they turned that regime change operation inward onto Americans. And
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I think there are too many people in those shadowy, unaccountable,
unelected organizations who genuinely think that they have the right
to decide they're smarter than the American people, and the
American people can't be trusted to decide who they want
to elect. And so they felt that Donald Trump was
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an existential threat and they were not going to let
the American people choose him as their president. And that
is the most frightening, frightening thing. And I think with
the growth of big tech and AI, that power is
going to become even more unchecked and unbalanced and is
going to and that's why they talk about and Joe
Biden talks about democracy all the time, because this is
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profoundly illiberal and anti democratic, and yet it's coming from
the Democrat side. And I just hope that the American
people are awake enough. It took a lot to wake
me up just seeing a lot of evidence of this
when I was doing a deep dive into the laptop
and the latest book I've written. It's scary, it's upsetting
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if you're a person who does believe in law and
order and the law enforcement and the intelligence community. It
makes you realize that the people who are entrusted to
keep us safe are actually our worst enemies.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I endorse what you just said and very eloquently stated,
and I would love to have you come back on
once your new book is out. It sounds very interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'd love to Miranda Devine. You're awesome. I always appreciate
you coming on. I always appreciate hearing what you have
to say. You're brilliant, So thankfully do you appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And I love seeing you on Fox all the time,
and I love listening to your podcast as well, so
good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That was Miranda Devine. Appreciate her for taking the time
to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Monday and Thursday. You can listen throughout
the week. I want to thank John Cassio for putting
the show together. Until next time,
We've been hearing a lot from the media and the
Democrats lately pointing to the guilty verdict for Hunter Biden
on his felony gun charges and saying, see, there is
an equal application of the law. It isn't a two
tier justice system like Republicans say it is.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But is that the full truth?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I mean, even looking ahead at his tax trial on
September fifth, that doesn't cover a whole host of hunter
Biden's criminal acts or the fact that David Weiss, according
to whistleblowers, allowed the Statute of Limitations and some of
the more serious Breezema money to lapse. So what is
the full story? How much trouble should Hunter Biden actually
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be in. We're going to talk to the woman who
wrote the book about it, The Laptop from Hell. Also,
how vindicated does she feel after writing a book about
something that we were told was Russian disinformation by fifty
one former Intel officers, including five former CIA directors or
acting directors, which is truly disturbing. What should you know
(01:01):
about all of this and what does it mean and
what does it tell you and us about our own government.
We're going to get into all of that with the brilliant.
Miranda Divine. Of course you know her from Fox News.
She's a truth teller at the New York Post and
also she is the best selling author of The Laptop
from Hell.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
We're all going to learn a lot from Miranda Divine. Miranda,
it's great to have you on the show. I am
very excited to hear your take on all of this
Hunter Biden stuff. So I'm looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Great to be with you, Lisa, I'm looking forward to
it too.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So, Miranda, before we get into some of the tax stuff,
what did you make of the guilty verdict for Hunter
Biden on his felony gun charges.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I was a little surprised, I sort of put it.
Someone asked me beforehand the odds, and I thought it
was like sixty five percent a hung jury, because well,
Abbi loll. Hunter's very expensive lawyer is renowned as a
jury whisperer, although I didn't see any traces of it
when I was in court. Really he's not terribly charming.
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I don't think he really had them eating out of
the palm of his hand at all. But then I thought, well,
maybe he just chose them. Really well, and certainly seven
out of the twelve jurors had said that they had
family members or close friends who suffered from addiction problems,
and so I think that was Abbi Lole's strategy, was
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to pull at the heart strings and just get them
to sympathize with the fact that Hunter had a really
raging crack addiction for several years. But I'm not sure
that really worked the sympathy. I mean, obviously it didn't
because it was a unanimous, you know, twelve all verdict,
and I just feel like there was that Hunter Biden
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gave such a show of being a son of privilege.
It just you know, the fact that the first lady
was behind him every day, and the first row dressed
to the nines in very bright, uncharacteristically bright, bold colors
so that you could not miss her, and of course
she had her secret service detail around her. And then
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Hunter's wife, Melissa Cohen, was similarly not bright colors, but
very elegantly dressed. Same with his aunt Val the President's sister.
You know, it was almost like, you know, real housewives
of the Wilmington District Court. And so really the first
three rows were Biden family or hangers on, and I
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don't think it really gave the impression that they wanted to.
It gave an impression of power and privilege, so much
so that the prosecutors in their summing up, Leo Weiss said,
gestured over to the first lady and said to the
jurors that is not evidence. You might recognize these people
from the news, but what you have to look at
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is not what's going on outside the evidence. Just look
at the evidence. And that's what they did. And the
evidence was just kind of impossible to get over. It
was pretty damning.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I laughed because I'm embarrassed in met that I do
watch the Housewives the house byself. I like that. Why
it was like, you're speaking to me around us, you're
speaking my language. Yeah, it did feel like the first
lady was kind of trying to send a message and
you know, sort of maybe intimidate a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I think so. I mean, look, on the one hand, obviously,
like all things the Bidens do, they always have plausible deniability.
They always have another reason. Like when Joe Biden dropped
in to that late night visit to Hallie Biden, who
was like the star witness against Hunter. For the prosecution,
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he dropped in to see her like ten days eleven
days before she took the stand against her son. And
you know, as far as we can tell, he's never
done that before. He's never dropped in to see her,
certainly not as vice as sorry, as president. And he
spent fifteen minutes with her. And you know, if it
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was anyone else, you'd say, oh, he's intimidating the witness
or whatever. I mean. His people say, oh, no, they
didn't talk about the trial. But does he really need
to talk about the trial? Here he is the president
of the United States showing up late at night at
her home in Delaware, in Wilmington, near his on his
way back to the airport. And all he has to
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say is, we love you. You know, you're part of
our family forever, et cetera, et cetera, and we would
hate to lose sight of you, or hate hate not
to be able to see the kids anymore. That's all
he has to say. And it just puts pressure on
her that I'm sure, well you could tell she was
under a hell of a lot of pressure. But luckily
for Halle Biden, who was Hunter Biden's sister in law,
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she had been married to his brother Bo, who sadly
died of brain cancer in twenty fifteen, So he was
Hunter Biden then took up with his sister in law.
They had a romantic, rather tormented relationship for a year
or two after that, and she's, luckily for her, just remarried.
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In fact, the weekend before the trial began, she married
this wealthy finance broker from Ohio, and she had a
big diamond on her ring finger to show for it.
And she was in the witness box waving and smiling
at someone in the you know, we were wondering who,
and it turned out this was her new husband, and
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he'd brought along a lawyer, and he was sitting pretty
much as far as you could get from the Bidens
on the other side of the room.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So now Hunter Biden's going to face a tax trial
that starts on September fifth. He has been dated on
three felony tax offenses six misdemeanors. But that doesn't cover everything.
What do we know about Joe Biden's Department of Justices
efforts and attempts to trade to protect Hunter Biden and
also protect the president.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, everything we know comes from those two courageous IRS whistleblowers,
Gary Shapley and Joe Ziegler, and they worked on Joe
Ziegler worked on that inquiry, that investigation into Hunter Biden
in Delaware from the start five years long that investigation
was and Gary Shapley came in about a year into it,
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and he was the supervisor. And they are the top notch.
I mean, they are in the equivalent of the Seal
Team six of the IRS. They work international crimes. They
are brilliant, and they were treated really badly. And they
saw how the DOJ the prosecutors there in their US
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Attorney David Weiss's office, were obstructing and slow walking this
investigation and blocking any investigative trail that would naturally lead
to Joe Biden. And in fact Leslie Wolf, who was
the top prosecutor there, actually said to them, no, you
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can't ask anything about the big guy, which was Joe Biden.
And you know, of course they had the laptop with
all that incriminating information on it, plus they had backups
to Hunters iPad and iPhones. Plus they had the iCloud
data which duplicated what was on the laptop and the
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iPhones and iPad. So and then they had, you know,
all these witnesses that they could interview, so they had
a lot of information and a lot of it was
leading to Joe Biden, but they weren't allowed to go
down that path. And you know, even things like search
warrants that they wanted for a cottage on Joe Biden's
(09:11):
lavish estate in Greenville, Delaware that Hunter Biden was living in,
they weren't allowed to get a search warrant for that.
A storage locker that Hunter had a whole lot of
documents stored in, they wanted to get a search warrant
for that, but unfortunately, the prosecutors tipped off Hunter Biden's
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legal team and in the end they were going to
i think by January twenty twenty three, Hunter Biden was
going to get I think it's called a non prosecution
order or something. Anyway, it was basically he wasn't going
to have to plead guilty to anything, and so he
was going to get off scot free. And they had
been looking at foreign agent lobbying violations man Act, which
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is sex trafficking violations, a lot of tax fraud, bribery,
money laundering, wire fraud. They'd been looking at all of that,
and they'd been blocked from a lot of it, but
they were ready to oh in the gun violation as well,
and they were ready to charge a lot of that.
It had actually been approved by DOJ tax But David
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Weiss was going to let it all go away until
the IRIS whistleblowers decided to go and make some protected
disclosures up the line and to Congress. And what happened
was that what they think happened is that David Weiss
got wind from the Democrats of their testimony behind closed
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doors and panicked and told his prosecutors, you have to
get Hunter to plead guilty to at least a couple
of misdemeanors, because we can't get away with nothing. And
so that's what they did. We've seen a lot of
the sort of internal discussions because Hunter's lawyers leaked to
them because they were so angry after this plea deal
(11:07):
that they eventually came to where Hunter would plead guilty
to a couple of misdemeanors, but in return he was
going to get blanket immunity. That's what David Weiss agreed to,
and it was only when it went to the court
in Delaware and there was an honest judge, Judge Mary
Ellen Nora Acer that she said, Hey, this is very unusual.
(11:28):
I don't understand how you can, you know, give him
blanket immunity. Is that what you actually want? She said
in court to the new prosecutor who'd been brought in,
who was a real prosecutor, and he said, well, not really,
And Hunter Biden's lawyer said, well, that's it. The whole
thing's off. And that was their fatal mistake because then
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there was such an uproar that David Weiss Merrick Galen,
the Attorney General, had to make Merrick GUIs a special
Weiss a special counsel, and with these real prosecutors, they
had to go ahead and charge him for the bare
minimum because David Weiss had allowed the statute of limitations
to run out on the twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen,
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which were the most serious years where the most serious
charges lay, because those the Barrisma years, the years that
Hunter was getting paid a million dollars a year to
sit on the board of this corrupt Ukrainian energy company.
And it also was dangerous for Joe Biden because it
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covered his forcing the Ukrainian government to fire the honest
Ukrainian Prosecutor general who was investigating Barisma. So with those
years the statute of limitations wiping those out, it was
kind of safe to go ahead and just charge Hunter
with some tax for all offenses, which are still serious,
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but compared to the rest of the investigation, it's the tip.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Of the We've got to take a quick commercial break
more with Miranda Divine on the other side. So when
people when the left points and the media points to
like the guilty verdict and the felony gun charges and
the fact that this tax trial is moving forward and say, hey, look,
you know the roll law does exist. You know, equo
application of the law doesn't really quite tell the full story,
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as you just laid out in the Department of Justice's
attempts to kind of thwart further investigation into Hunter Biden
and his dad. So federal prosecutors have now admitted that
the Hunter Biden laptop is real. You've known this, you
wrote the book about it. The New York Post broke
the story. Take us down memory lane, if you will, Miranda,
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about the efforts to try to cover that up and
to lie to the public, both from the media and
from government officials.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, the most obvious attempt we saw, like a few
hours after we publicshed our first story from the laptop,
and that was an email from Hunter, Biden's Ukrainian paymaster
to Hunter thanking him for introducing him to his vice
president father in Washington. And so that was pretty damaging
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because you know, this is October twenty twenty, and Joe
Biden had sworn blind that he knew nothing about his son,
Hunters overseas business dealings. He was evidence that he'd met
with one of Hunter's Ukrainian business partners. And so his campaign,
Joe Biden's campaign just said, oh, no, you know, there's
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no such meeting ever took place. They said that to
all the other media. To us, they said, oh, there's
nothing on his official schedule. Joe Biden went to ground,
and well, big tech sensored our story within ours. They
both Twitter and Facebook just throttled the story, made sure
it couldn't be shared. Twitter even spended people like Kaylee Mcanennie,
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who was Donald Trump, President Trump's press secretary. When she
tried to share it by direct message with one other
person privately, she was suspended our account, The New York
Post account was suspended for two weeks, just till a
couple of days before the election, and then that sort
of gave the rest of the media pause about following up.
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But then three days later we had the Coudi Grass,
which was the dishonest letter from the fifty one former
intelligence officials pretending that the laptop and our stories therefore
was Russian disinformation. And Joe Biden used that letter in
the debate against Donald Trump, the final debate, when he
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called the laptop a Russian plant and said it was
a bunch of garbage what Donald Trump was trying to
say about it, And so that got Joe Biden successfully
off the hook. And that was the plan, because the
whole letter was set up by Anthony Blincoln, our Secretary
of State, but then he was a senior advisor in
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the Biden campaign. He phoned Mike Morell, a former acting
director of the CIA, and he instigated that letter. He
planted the seed for him to write the letter a
lying letter and get fifty of his former colleagues, mainly
from the CIA, to sign it. And they were heavyweights,
five former directors of the CIA or acting directors, people
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like what's his name, John Brennan. Then there was James Clapper,
that was leam Panetta, a few others, you know, a big,
big time, heavy duty intelligence people, and that convinced the media,
not that they needed much convincing, but it was the
fig leaf to convince them that they weren't going to
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cover this story, which would have been so damaging to
Joe Biden. And then we found out also afterwards that
the FBI had been there behind the scenes for weeks
before the election, basically pre bunking our story, knowing that
it was going to come out, probably before the election
because lo and behold, we found out that they'd been
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spying on Rudy Giuliani, so they knew when John, or
they should have known if they'd been watching when John
Paul mac Isaac sent Rudy Giuliani in email saying he
had this laptop and what was in it very detailed
forensic information that would have sent alarm bells through the
Biden campaign. And then they also if they'd been looking,
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as they had his iCloud information, they would have seen
his messages with me, not a lot of it, but
enough to show you where I said to Giuliani, Look,
we're good don't give the story to anyone else. So
they knew that the New York Post was coming and
therefore they pre bunked it. It's quite egregious when you
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look at the Twitter files to see what detail they
went to to make sure that both Facebook and Twitter
and I presume other social media were pre warned that
if they saw our story, that they would recognize it
immediately as a Russian hack and dump operation.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And we've now had a few of these huge moments
that have changed sort of the course of history where
we have sort of seen this collaboration between the government
the media to just full scale lie to the public.
I mean, we saw that with the Russia hoax, with
the FBI weaponization against Donald Trump and the media carrying
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its water. We saw that with this with the laptop
being real, and then the full scale coordination between the
government and the media lying to the American people. We
saw this during COVID as well.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Even as far back as the Iraq War. The WMDs,
you know, with the intelligence community has been manipulating the
media and you know, American public opinion. I don't know
how long. I mean, I only became aware of the
full extent of it when I started investigating this story,
(19:12):
and I've got another book out which is basically all
about that. I mean, it's coming out in September, which
is all about the cover up and the involvement of
the CIA and the FBI. I mean, the CIA was
so egregious in this story. They even we found we
only find out bits and pieces. You don't get the
full picture, obviously, but they're very good at covering their tracks.
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But we know from the IRIS whistleblowers, for instance, that
the prosecutors were called into Langley CIA headquarters and warned
off interviewing a key witness who was Kevin Morris, a lawyer,
Hollywood lawyer who's been bankrolling Hunter Biden to the tune
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of on the surface six and a half million, I count,
I reckon it's closer to ten million dollars, paying off
his tax debts and funding his lavish lifestyle, paying off
his things like his baby mama, child support. It's quite
amazing how much was hidden before the election in twenty
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twenty to ensure that there were no scandals from a
Hunter that blew up before the election and damaged Joe
Biden's campaign. And that was done with all this money
from this Hollywood lawyer who didn't know Hunter until he
was introduced to him in early in early twenty twenty
late twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
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to take a stand. Today you had mentioned this CIA
manipulating the media. Is it manipulation or is the media
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willingly carrying the water or is it both?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Look it's both because obviously the media doesn't want the
liberal media didn't want Donald Trump to succeed to win
the twenty sixteen, to win the twenty twenty elections, to
win the twenty four elections, so they're quite happy for
their intelligence sources to feed them garbage like the Steel dossier,
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like the Russian disinformation story about the laptop, and they
never do any due diligence on it. You know. The
irony is that we've had the New York Times even
this week, even after the laptop's been admitted as evidence
in the trial of Hunter Biden as government trial Exhibit
number sixteen. It's been fully authenticated and verified, including the contents,
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by the FBI by their forensic experts, and yet the
New York Times is still yesterday or the day before,
attacking the New York Post and saying that, you know,
we hadn't fully vetted the laptop and we don't do
a good enough job Washington Post as well, Philip Bump,
and that we hadn't you know, verified the stories and
the links that we've drawn from the laptop to Joe Biden.
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I mean, they did no due diligence on the Steel dossier.
We did enormous due diligence, which has all been proven true.
And none of our stories have ever been found wanting.
And you know, almost four years later, we said that
the laptop was legit, the information that we were publishing
from it was legit, And now it's been proven in
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a court of law. And they're still pretending because they will,
they will just walk over broken glass to affirm that
their intelligence sources are not lying to them when they've
been lied to non stop for years.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You don't even think about it often. When Chuck Schumer
was on MSNBC in January of twenty seventeen and say
and said, you take on the intelligence community their sex
ways from Sunday at getting back at.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Ell exactly, Wasn't that interesting? That was such a telling remark.
And you know, to be honest, Donald Trump probably was
a naive like all of us, about the extent of
their intelligence community's kind of intervention in democracy. It's really
quite frightening, and I think Donald Trump is, having experienced
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what he did, I think he'll be a lot more
careful if he wins the next election.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
What level of coordination do you think there has been
between the federal government and Alvin Bragg's office and trying
to get Donald Trump and New York City. You know,
we know that the number three at the Department of
Justice went over to work on the case and worked
for Brad But in your estimation, how coordinated do you
think that was? When the media says, oh, no, the
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by administration had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I haven't done much my own research on that, but
there's quite a lot of evidence out there. You just
mentioned Matthew Colangelo, who was number three at the federal
DOJ and then took a much lesser position at the
state you know, well, not state, I mean city local
Manhattan DA's office, just to get Trump. He ran to
(24:59):
get Trump campaign inside Bragg's office. And then you know,
you have other bits and pieces where you see that
in the Georgia trial. You have Fanny Willis's boyfriend whose
name momentarily escapes me, but he was supposed to be
running the get Trump operation there in Georgia, and he
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goes and visits the White House. We can see that
on White House logs, and meets with Anthony Bernal, who's
ostensibly the First Lady's kind of senior advisor, but he
has his fingers in every pie, and he's an advisor
to Joe Biden as well. He was there last week
in the Hunter Biden trial, sticking like a limpet to
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the First Lady's side. He's a very Machiavelian person and
quite clever at his various strategies, so I wouldn't mind
betting that he's been involved as well in the coordination.
Someone is coordinating all these different get Trump legal ex
peditions around the country, whether it's Jack Smith or Fanny
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Willis or although I'm heard she doesn't like being called Fanny,
I don't know how meant to pronounce that name. I'm
not saying that to be rude. I'm just saying that's
the way it looks and it should be pronounced. I
would have thought, and Alvin Bragg as well. So there
is definitely some sort of coordination, but of course they're
not stupid enough to have it in emails or in
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anything that's readily easily available. They will be using operational
situational awareness or operational security methods to make sure that
none of it's discoverable.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Do you think we'll ever get the full truth about
Joe Biden's involvement in his son's business dealings.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I don't know. It really depends after the election, if
Donald Trump wins, if there is a stomach to actually
do proper investigations, and the fact that he's so old,
and you saw Robert her in the classified documents case,
the special counsel there say that, well, you know, there
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was plenty of evidence to charge him with but because
he's a basically senile and you know, a well meaning
old man, which I totally disagree with, that he's well made.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That made me really mad.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah that you know, a jury wouldn't find him guilty,
So he's he's cognitively unfit to stand trial. I'm you know,
I think he's perfectly cognitively fit to stand trial because
you see him when he needs to, he's as sharp
as attack. He'll be sharp as attack in the first
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debate against Donald Trump, as he was in twenty twenty.
And I think Mike Ben's has a very good way
of looking at it. He says that Joe Biden's brain
is kind of like a computer when you put it
into sleep mode when you don't want to waste energy.
That's him. When you see him sort of fuddling around
and getting lost in the or you know, turning his
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back on the rest of the people and just being
looking like a real eskp from an old people's home.
But then when he needs to, he switches on again,
and that's when you turn the computer into wake up mode.
So whether it's drugs or whether he just has an
ability himself to switch on and off, I don't know,
but I think underestimating Joe Biden's culpability is a big mistake,
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and I think that the Republicans should be wary not
to fall into that trap. It's almost like there was
a mobster in New York and can't remember his name,
but he used to wander around in a bath robe,
looking like, you know, muttering to himself around the Lower
East Side, looking like he was a you know, completely senile,
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and that was to put the FBI off because they
had him in his sights and make them think that
he wasn't fit to stand trial. And it worked. Somewhat
for him, and it worked for Joe Biden with Robert
hur And you could sort of tell from the transcript,
and I'm sure it'd be really obvious from the audio
if we were able to get it that whenever the
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questions became difficult, he'd start, you know, meandering and sort
of changing the subject, and it's it's a ruse.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well yeah, it's also I mean, you can't be well
meaning and intentionally mishandle classific information dating back to your
time in the Senate. You know, it's like, that's that's
not well mean. You know, how is that well meaning?
That's that's what really bothered me about the report. You know,
before we go, Uh, you've covered all of this, right,
You've been at the center of it. You've you know,
(29:42):
done such a fantastic job and covering so much stuff
about the Biden family and Hunter Biden. What what have
you learned about our government through all of this?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, I've learned not to trust it. You know. I
used to be being kind of a conservative and law
and order person, and I was a police reporter many
years ago, which probably set a lot of my ideas up.
I trusted, you know, I always trusted the intelligence officials.
I trusted you know, police and federal prosecutors, and just
(30:19):
thought that they were doing the right thing to keep
us safe. And they have done. I mean, I'm not
saying I'm not writing them all off, but I think
what's happened increasingly in recent years is they have lost
sight of their primary mission and now they're you know,
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they've been rampaging around the world, staging regime change and
causing a lot of mayhem that was unnecessarily and damaging
to America. And then I think in the twenty twenty election,
they turned that regime change operation inward onto Americans. And
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I think there are too many people in those shadowy, unaccountable,
unelected organizations who genuinely think that they have the right
to decide they're smarter than the American people, and the
American people can't be trusted to decide who they want
to elect. And so they felt that Donald Trump was
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an existential threat and they were not going to let
the American people choose him as their president. And that
is the most frightening, frightening thing. And I think with
the growth of big tech and AI, that power is
going to become even more unchecked and unbalanced and is
going to and that's why they talk about and Joe
Biden talks about democracy all the time, because this is
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profoundly illiberal and anti democratic, and yet it's coming from
the Democrat side. And I just hope that the American
people are awake enough. It took a lot to wake
me up just seeing a lot of evidence of this
when I was doing a deep dive into the laptop
and the latest book I've written. It's scary, it's upsetting
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if you're a person who does believe in law and
order and the law enforcement and the intelligence community. It
makes you realize that the people who are entrusted to
keep us safe are actually our worst enemies.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I endorse what you just said and very eloquently stated,
and I would love to have you come back on
once your new book is out. It sounds very interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'd love to Miranda Devine. You're awesome. I always appreciate
you coming on. I always appreciate hearing what you have
to say. You're brilliant, So thankfully do you appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
And I love seeing you on Fox all the time,
and I love listening to your podcast as well, so
good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That was Miranda Devine. Appreciate her for taking the time
to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home
for listening every Monday and Thursday. You can listen throughout
the week. I want to thank John Cassio for putting
the show together. Until next time,
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