June 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Here’s what the polls look like this far out, with a huge Trump lead in Iowa. Pew finds a lot of people are “double haters” and don’t want either candidate. Resistance to Trump takes shape on the left with the NYT in the lead. The abortion issue is coming back, and Trump putting it on states is hard to mobilize against. ACLU plans to invoke Insurrection Act if Trump wins so he can’t stop riots. Suddenly, Adams and Hochul are against masks. Biden people nervous about making their man stand for 90 minutes for Trump debate. The “very fine people” hoax was the most effective against Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, a third hour of Clay and Buck. Yet
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a little bit later. A tough weekend in the news
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cycle once again for the Biden Harris campaign because Joe
Biden appeared in public and proceeded to speak and walk,
and that's not a good look for the Biden campaign.
When Biden shows up and does things, everyone goes, oh
my gosh, this guy. It's not only I think the
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gasp of this guy's the president, there's also the end
he thinks he should be president for four more years.
That is just too much for any reasonable person to bear. Also,
the Iowa poll numbers. This is a des Moines Register
and Seltzer poll. Who is considered the pollsters pollster out
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of Iowa, Donald Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at
thirty two percent, RFK Junior at nine percent. Trump up
eighteen points on Biden in Iowa is Landslide Electoral College territory.
If that holds, I don't think anybody disagrees that that's
what that would be. I know we're six now, wait
five five months out, four and a half, four four
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and a half, four and a half months out, fourth
basically be four months from I mean the election is
November fifth, so we're exactly four months away in July fourth.
This is going to come very quickly, as we all know.
Right the time period I feel like in the election
year of January to June feels like an eternity. And
then once you get into the summer months, because September
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October fly by as like almost it feels like one day.
So we will continue to look at these numbers and
what they indicate also interesting, Claire, I don't think we
talked about this in the first hour. Pew Research says
twenty five percent of voters are quote double haters, dislike
both the Republican and Democrat candidates. This is the highest
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number in history, and it is twice what it has
been in twenty twenty, twenty twelve, two thousand and eight
going way back. So there's a lot of antipathy in
this election cycle right now, and perhaps one of the
other ways that we can take a look at this
big piece Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, a bunch of big
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names of the New York Times on the resistance to
a new Trump administration has already started. Clay, we would
have expected this. I don't think if Joe Biden was
doing well, they would be running this piece at this time,
this early on. But it is effectively, I think, meant
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to be a calming mechanism for Democrats to the degree
that it can be that they will do. They will
pull every trick they can help, every activist, judge, every
Soros funded DA, you know, whatever they can do to
try to stop the Trump agenda. And one thing I
(03:18):
thought was particularly noteworthy in this piece. They are stockpiling
abortion medicine. I mean they're actually and they're saying. This
is from Jay Insley, the governor Washington. He says five
Democratic governors have established stockpiles of MEFI pristone to guard
against the Trump administration, using federal power to stop its
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intrastate distribution New York, California, Massachusetts. This is interesting because
the federal government can just decide very and has I
think this is in many cases an abuse of the
interstate Commerce clause, and this is a huge problem. But
the government can say, well, even if you're going to
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a state where the thing is okay, you can't cross
the state lines to do the thing that's okay. So
even if mif At Pristo. But I mean, they're really
freaking out about this. Well, we didn't even hardly talk
about it, I don't think. But Friday's Supreme Court decision
about the whether or not the challengers had standing to
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challenge collectively, I think it's basically just known as the
Morning After Pill, right, and it was nine to Ozho
that they didn't have standing. And we'll see what Supreme
Court opinions come out with presidential immunity and certainly the
how the Sarbaines Oxley Act can be applied on the
Jan six related cases. But I think what they're running
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into is it's really hard to get Trump on abortion.
And remember when he ran in twenty fifteen, Maureen Dowd
asked Donald Trump, have you ever paid for an abortion?
And Trump responded, that's a really interesting question and just
moved on. My point on that is Trump appointed the
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justices that got Roe v. Wade overturned Roe v. Wade
was a disaster of a federal case. But what he
has said so far is just every state should have
the right to do whatever they want. And I think
that's hard to mobilize on. Combine that buck.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
With I do think on twenty twenty two they had
a lot of success with oh democracies on the ballot.
Remember Michael Beschlos was on MSNBC saying, I don't know
if I'll be executed or not if the Republicans take
back Congress. Republicans took back the House, and basically nothing's happened.
I think that it is. And when you're trying to
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put your chief political rival in prison for the rest
of his life, it's hard to argue that you're the
stewards of democracy. What do they run on. That's why
I think they have to replace Biden, because he's everything
he's done is a failure.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think if you were to do a sane and honest,
side by side comparison of the extreme things done to
Trump and the extreme things done by Trump, we can
Let's let's start with Tom.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's a great analogy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, extreme things done to Trump. The first sorry, the
Russia collusion hoax, which was a hoax. That is not
an exaggeration at all. As we know, even the Muller
probe was unable to find anything having to do with
Russia and the Trump campaign working together to steal the election.
Not a single vote was changed by Russians hacking into machines,
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but they used, as I always say, the process is
the punishment. So the Russia collusion hoax, that is an
extreme thing done to Trump. The first impeachment of Trump,
the second impeachment of Trump, the holding of four criminal indictments,
four indictments to drop so that they all happen in
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the election year. Okay, the so do you just put that?
Put that in the column. The changing of New York
state law so that Trump can be sued for a
an alleged sexual assault from thirty years ago, right, I
mean that was basically they changed the law so that
now you can be civilly sued for something that the
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statute of limitations exist for a reason. You just can't
defend yourself against things that happened thirty years ago. That
someone says you did a thing, and you say, well,
I mean I didn't do the thing, So how are
you proving? But they went after Trump on that the
four hundred and eighty million dollars of four hundred and
eighty million dollars of judgments against him. I mean, I know, sorry,
this is going on for a long time because of
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all the things, okay, that's in the a column of
extreme things done to Trump? What are the extreme things
that Trump has done? The Muslim band. Supreme Court ended
up upholding that, by the way, it wasn't a Muslim
band that was hysterical. Lie. The saying both people people
along both sides were good, that's a lie. That's not
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the only thing that I think that a reasonable person
could point to would be the post twenty twenty election
rhetoric from Trump, or the January or the rhetoric you know,
leading up to and on January sixth, and to this,
I would just say Trump wasn't in any way criminally
culpable for anything that happened on that day. And emotions
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are running very high, and Democrats, Biden voters had been
rioting for months and it was like our sacred democracy
on display, even during you know, COVID and everything else.
So I'm just if you're going to do a fair okay,
January sixth, you know, that's the thing that they will
point to and say, but it wasn't a coup, it
wasn't an insurrection. It was one Republican or you know,
one right of center riot. You add up all the
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other things they've done to Trump. Who are the real extremists,
That's really what this is all getting to, or rather,
who is using extreme political measures against their opponents? And
I think it's not a close call. I think it's
not close at all. This is why their argument is
not working. And I was mentioning, I'm seeing these ads
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all over Georgia television, dementia or dishonesty about the prices
and inflation related issues that many families, not only in Georgia,
where I am for the next couple of days, but
all over the country. Georgia just happens to be a battleground.
That's why I think they have.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
To pull the ripcord and end up with a new candidate,
because if you have a new candidate, you can go
back to running. Trump is an unprecedented threat to American democracy,
and insert new candidate is a better choice for America.
The problem that they have right now, Buck is that's
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the campaign they ran in twenty twenty. Some of you
out there listening to us right now bought that argument.
You did, and you've had buyers remorse since we've taken calls.
People say, you know what, I was upset over COVID.
I was fearful. I didn't like the way that twenty
twenty was going, and Biden said, I'll bring back normalcy.
(10:08):
We got war in Europe, war in the Middle East.
Ten million illegals have entered our country on the southern border.
Crime has skyrocketed, Your cost of goods has far exceeded
on average, your individual wage games which is a default
a tax. And you're looking around and you're saying, you
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know what, nostalgically, the Trump era wasn't that bad. I'm
talking about middle of the road voters out there. They're
going to vote for Trump because his presidency was better
for the average person than Biden has been. And so
the only way you get the story back to Trump,
I think, is if you don't have an incumbent Democrat
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president who has stunk it up. Now, look, I want
Biden to be the nominee because I think he has
to run on his job as president, and I think
he's done a really poor job but if they suddenly
pull the switcherrou and they put someone This is another
reason why I think it would not be Kamala right,
because they can tar and feather Kamala with Biden's failures.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
If you can get someone in.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
There who has not been in the White House, that
person can run the Biden democracy case against Trump in
a way that maybe gets them across the finish line.
I just don't think people are suddenly going to break
four and a half months out after you've had Biden
president for three and a half years. I don't think
you're suddenly going to convince people, hey, you know what,
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Biden's actually done a good job. I want more of this.
I think he's dead in the water, and that doesn't
even factor in his dementia or his physical and mental
weakness on the global stage and on every single event.
That's why I think they're at the ripcord moment. They're
at the break the glass on the fire extinguisher moment.
And next week, the June twenty seventh, strangely scheduled presidential
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debate I think has the potential for everybody to jump
right off the Biden team and say, you know what,
it's time for a change. You know, the person is
the most difficult to persuade on this, doctor Jill biden
Buck in my opinion, who has to know better than
anybody how bad a shape Joe's in and wants to
hang on to that power.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Just one more thing, you know, because I was talking
about how the the BLM rioted all summer in twenty twenty,
and that was considered not just it was it was
like a patriotic act. It was for racial presses whatever
which was. It was insane. It actually made everything worse
for everybody. A lot of people died because of what
BLM did in twenty twenty. But this is interesting to
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me that they're the ACLU, as part of the resistance
two point zero is preparing to immediately challenge, upon a
Trump victory, the usage of the Insurrection Act to make
sure that Trump, by federal court order, is not able
to call in the National Guard or federal forces to
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stop massive rolling riots. Gee, everyone, what why.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Would the ACLU right now be preparing, according to the
New York Times, not some right wing blog, why would
the ACLU be trying to tie a future Trump administration's
hands when it comes to putting down massive destructive riots.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's almost like they're preparing for this if they don't
get their way, just like they were in twenty twenty
by the way, with all the boarded up stores.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And remember, they're gonna reject the thing they claimed was
so unacceptable to do. They're going to reject the validity
of the election results in twenty twenty four to two, right,
They're going to try to get Kamala Harris to refuse.
That's why they changed the law to make it less likely.
But this, I'm telling you, they're going to do everything
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that they claim Republicans are going to do.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Just get ready for it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
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do you agree with me that when you start to
look at all the data, it's becoming increasingly clear. Right now,
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as we set four and a half months out the
Iowa pole, were Biden's fallen behind by eighteen points, that
really the the only pathway to victory he has is
sweeping the big ten states that he has to win.
He can't lose one of them Wisconsin, minnes Wisconsin, Michigan,
and Pennsylvania. And if that's true compared to the map
(16:15):
that Trump has, at some point the panic sets in.
And I think we're starting to see the panics set
in where there isn't some sort of expected outcome. I
saw the axios this morning. I always like to see
what their lead story is. It's that in the wake
of the Hunter Biden trial, a lot of people inside
(16:36):
the Biden team are saying, why in the world did
Biden run? Because they had bought into the idea that
this Hunter Biden thing was all It's a hoax, the
Ashley Biden mess, the Halle Biden mess, all of the
crises that surround his family. They bought into, Oh, this
is just not real. And when the court case happened.
(16:57):
You have to say, oh, my, this is real. Like
he was sleeping with his dead brother's wife and he
got her on crack and he broke up his own marriage.
And Biden knew all this and he ran for president. Anyway,
I think there's a holy crap moment kind of setting
in for a lot of people who've had blinders on
as it pertains to Biden.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the fact that Biden
sits right now as President of the United States is
a remarkable testament to the powers of political delusion in
this country. I mean, this guy, this guy was a loser,
you know, decades ago. I mean, this has been known
on the presidential stage. I mean at the national level.
You know, if Delaware wants to have this clown as
(17:38):
their center, I mean that's on Delaware. But the fact
that they managed to do this, and remember, he wasn't
even really leading. It's not like he came out of
the gates and everyone said, oh, it has to be Biden.
The machine made a decision and he was the end
product of that machinery.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So he got smoked in Iowa and New Hampshire by
all those voters, and then Cliburne said, you're the choice
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Speaker 1 (18:56):
Back into Clay and Buck. So the masks on the
subway maybe a thing of the past. I see very
few people now wearing masks for what I would assume
to be COVID related reasons. It was interesting there were
people at the campus protests who were wearing masks because
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of COVID and just disease spreading in general from aerosol
eyes virus. But then there were more and more who
also came out to say, no, it's because we don't
want our jobs to be taken away from us, because
we're a part of these protests. So it was a combination.
I thought it was more their neurotic anti COVID stuff.
(19:40):
There were some of that. They said that. But point is,
you're not seeing a lot of masking these days for
COVID the way you used to, which is interesting because
people still get colds and viruses and things and almost
like it never worked, and we've always known this. It
didn't work to stop the Spanish influenza outbreak of nineteen eighteen.
But anyway, this is another part of the equation, though Clay.
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If you can't see someone's face, you don't know who
they are. If society can't tell who people are, the
criminal elements have a freer hand. And that is why
I think it is so interesting that the Governor of
New York, Kathy Hokeel, is pushing for a ban on
masks in the subways. There's also people who are calling
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for a ban on masks at protests, which I think
is interesting. That's another level of it, if you will.
So there are states that have had this in place
for a long time. What's interesting is that in the past,
one of the reasons why they ban masks was because
of the history of the ku Klux Klan, all right,
and they didn't want there to be this ability to have,
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you know, racists gather together, hide their identity and terrorize
a community or a neighborhood. So the left was in
favor of that. But now they got rid of mask
laws in some places, or at least they've stopped enforcing
them because of COVID. New York previously this is the
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AP banned public mask wearing by groups of three people
or more under a law dating back to the nineteenth century,
when upstate tenant farmers dressed as Native Americans and rose
up violently against landlords. The law was lifted when COVID
nineteen struck. Until two years ago, riders were required to
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wear masks on public transit as well, so there was
a mask They went from a masked ban to a
lift of the ban to a mask mandate, and now
it looks like they're going back to a ban Why
because criminals wear masks. Some of us said this all along.
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I just think it's interesting to they can't figure out
what they wanted. They've have been truly on every side
of this issue, every side of the mask and I
think we have audio of them discussing this, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
This is Kathy Hokel and Eric Adams. They had a
press conference to discuss issues with crime on the subway
and considering banning the wearing of masks. It's just so interesting.
There's probably a ton of you listening to us on
war who have been having to deal with the mask
mandate all over New York City. Remember Buck, I know
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you do. When they were going to make you show
your VAX card to go to McDonald's in New York City,
Like you couldn't even go into a fast food restaurant
without having your VAX card on you to say nothing.
Of course, you had to have masks, and you had
to put your mask on between bites and between drinks,
and they would walk around and make sure that they
were on top of this. Listen to them now, Kathy
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Hokele and Eric Adams making a decision that you know what,
criminals actually are taking advantage of this and they're where
masks and we need to maybe change that.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Listen, people have hid under the guise of wearing a
mask for COVID to commit commit criminal acts and bill acts.
And I've seen down all the time to go back
to the way it was of COVID when you should
not be able to wear a mask a protests and
our subway systems and other places.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I agree with him, there's no reason, there's no reason
to allow people. And people say, well, it's a public
safety issue. It's a public safety issue. The mask mandate
that they pushed was a published what they said was
for public safety. They were wrong about the safety implications,
but for the you know if basically if you can
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mandate them, you can mandate not them, or you know
that you can't.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wear them, the opposite of a mandate. I do think
that it's very important, not only on the subway, but
I think protesters should not be able to wear masks,
and you should be arrested immediately if you try to
protest wearing a mask, because that to me is indicative
of an intent to one not actually stand up for
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whatever you believe in, but two to potentially engage in
criminal acts and avoid all responsibility for it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And so your point is, yes, KKK.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
They war hoods for a reason because they didn't want
to be identified and they wanted to be able to
terrorize people with their political beliefs. Well, aren't Isn't that
the reason why many protesters are wearing masks and those
what are those kaifas or however you pronounce it, the
scarf that they lap around their face cafias. The reason
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they're doing the same thing now to avoid being held
responsible for what they are doing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
While they're protesting.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Eric Adams is right on this, And a little bit
of praise to Eric Adams.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He did you see a speech I shared it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think it was last week Wednesday or Thursday, in
the wake of the respond to the Nova protest in
basically saying, hey, these people all went to an innocent rave,
of all things. I believe it was the Nova Rave
where two hundred and sixty some odd innocent people were
murdered and where many people were kidnapped, and many people
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in New York City showed up to protest in favor
of what happened at that event, and Eric Adams came
out and forcefully said this is unacceptable. And I give
him credit for that. As the mayor of New York City,
he's been far better on these issues than Joe Biden has.
I don't think he's been a great mayor. I think
(25:36):
Buck you'd have to say he's been better than the
disaster that Deblasio was. Now he's not Rudy, he's not Bloomberg,
but he's not as bad as to Bill Deblasio was,
who may be the worst mayor in any of our
lives in terms.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Of his impact.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And he's at least sometimes getting to the right result
even with the craziness of New York City.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think I think Eric Adams is I don't think
he has the managerial skill set to do what is
necessary in New York City in turn around, I think
he sometimes lacks the political will as well. However, he's
not malicious. He's not intentionally upending aspects of life in
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New York City because he thinks that people need to
suffer more, because that's what justice demands. Deblasio was effectively
malicious in his approach to the city. It was you know,
if there's more crazy homeless people throwing things at you
on the streets, like that's the society we need to
live in, because that's fair. You know, Deblasio was intentional destruction. Adams,
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I think sometimes can be in over his head, but
I don't think that he is hoping that things get
worse for New Yorkers, because shared misery is what socialism
is all about at the end of the day, Like
Deblasio was ideologically predisposed toward New York's destruction and unfortunately
got very far because when he took over New York
it was in the best shape it has been in
in my in our lifetime, and pretty much every respect.
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But the mask issue on the subways is just also
I think a little bit of a desperation because remember
when they deployed the National Guard and then they got
rid of it, you know, they lasted for a week
or two because that wasn't going to do anything. Fundamentally,
The problem is they have to lock up more criminals.
They have to lock up people who hurt people for
longer periods of time. There have to be punishments for
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people who assault you know, New York City subway riders
and they have to be taken out of circulation. They
have to be taken out of you know, being able
to walk around and continue to do this. If you
have a city where people can get arrested fifty or
one hundred times without real punishment, you're going to have
a city where people are in fear on the subway
and everything around that. I mean, even the mask issue, well,
(27:44):
I agree with it. It's nibbling around the edges. But
Democrats are terrified of disparate impact through the enforcement of
criminal justice laws. Who's going to end up in Rikers
Island in larger numbers if they enforce the criminal justice
laws as they are written, not going to be Trump Vhoters.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I can tell you that, Buck, when we come back
to see the story that's starting to trend a little
bit that the Biden people are nervous that Joe Biden
has to stand up for ninety minutes for the debate
at CNN next week, and that they are potentially trying
to get it changed so that both candidates sit. I
talk to some people inside of the Trump team and
(28:24):
this was one of the things that they cared about
the most. They didn't want necessary. I mean, they would
have preferred audience all those things. One of the things
they cared about the most was they want Biden standing
because they legitimately aren't sure that he can manage to
stand for ninety minutes, walk out onto the stage, do
all those things. Can you believe we're at a point
where one of the candidates would be contemplating the physical
(28:48):
advantage they get from merely requiring someone to stand for
ninety minutes? Has that ever been a calculus that's ever
occurred that you can remember of an actual debate. And
I'm telling you, if Joe Biden, Joe Biden gets dizzy
and falls down on stage, Kamala Harris is the Democrat nominee.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That's how I see it. And I think that is
that I don't think they can come back from that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And by the way, you know this because you've done it,
standing under those bright lights is not easy to do
staring into them. There are a lot of mechanical things
that the average person who hasn't stood underneath those big
Kleague lights can think about. And I'm telling you, I'm
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I mean, how many times has he stood up for
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Speaker 3 (29:37):
Has he done it?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Maybe once at a long debate, I mean at a
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Speaker 3 (31:49):
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You were talking about Chammath, one of the guys from
the All In podcast out on the West Coast. David
Sachs did the big twelve million dollar fundraiser in San Francis,
but one of the top Sequoia execs as well as
Bill Ackman, who is I believe at Pershing these are
monster billionaire hedge fun guys involved in private equity, all
(32:13):
of those different fields out there. They confessed. I believe
the guy's name is McGuire, James McGuire. I think I
got that right.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Team. You can let me know if I'm wrong, but
I give credit to him.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
He went on social media over the weekend and he said, hey,
full disclosure. I bought into the Very Fine People hoax.
I thought that it was legitimate and that Trump had
said that Neo Nazis were very fine people at the
Charlottesville situation.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I would say, Buck, I'm curious if you would agree.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I know Russia was more impactful in terms of what
went on there, but there were a few hundred or
a few thousand dollars spent on the Russian ads on Facebook.
Anybody who's ever bought Facebook ads knows how inconsequential that
is when you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars
being spent on political ads. I think the Very Fine
(33:08):
People hoax might have been the most defective lie told
about Trump because so many people still believe it, even
if they are intelligent Otherwise people. This is why I
always think you and me and everyone out there, the
millions of people out there listening to us, we know
(33:28):
the very fine people hoax occurred. I think there's still
a lot of reasonable, very legitimate people who have success
in fields that trust the media to be honest with
them and have no idea they relied to about that.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I haven't seen data on this in a while, but
I know that three years into Trump's term, you still
had an enormous number of Democrats who believed that Russia
had actually changed votes by the way in the election. Yeah,
I could go back and find you some of the polling,
(34:01):
but you know, for fifty percent, maybe even sixty percent
of Democrats thought that Russia had actually changed the votes
in twenty sixteen years into Trump's election. So that was
a another very effective lie. I mean, the whole Russia
collusion thing. I remember Trump told me this in the
Oval awful awful, sorry, Oval office probably feels awful if
(34:25):
you have to be stuck there too much when you're
president after a while, right, Who didn't one of the
presidents describe the White House as feeling like a prison.
But Trump told me in the Oval Office that and
I thought this was a very astute, very Trump company.
It doesn't even make any sense. Yeah, Russia collusion thing,
You're you're gonna work with Russia to become president, and
then Russia is gonna have a thumb on you to
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be able to destroy you at any point in time.
Trump Trump knows Putin and his ilk far too well
to think that.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
That also understands leverage and negotiation. You would never want
to pry in that position.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
This is like, are you gonna go borrow ow money
from a loan shark if you don't need the loan
sharks money. I mean, it just makes no sense. It
was a dumb idea. There was no part of it
that held together if you just thought it through. It's
gonna work with the Russians to do some you know,
hacking into voting machines or whatever. The whole thing was idiotic.
(35:18):
Entire Democrat aligned mainstream media believed it, and still I
think a lot of them believe it. If you go
on like the Bill Marsha would say, Russia collusion was
the collusion was a hoax. They still have Democratic guests
are going, oh no, it's you know, there was the
thing and the you know the meeting and the Trump Tower.
They they won't give it up. They won't give it up.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The reason why I think the Very Fine People hoax
was so impactful is Biden cited it as the entire
reason he ran for president in twenty twenty and as if, oh,
I saw what happened at Charlottesville. Now, if we had
an honest media, we basically have hundreds or thousands of
Charlottesville's taking place every single week all over this country
(35:59):
since October seven. And Joe Biden claimed he was going
to restore the soul of the nation. I would argue
that he's made the soul of the nation far more
toxic than maybe it's ever been in any of our lives.
But the fact that we have guys like this who
are intelligent, coming out and saying, oh, I'm now seeing
the truth makes me optimistic that increasingly people are opening
their eyes, particularly young people, black, White, Asian and Hispanic,
(36:22):
who may well be breaking for Trump in numbers we've
never seen for a Republican candidate. I think there's a
lot of reason for optimism. Time to add on some steam,
and I'm seeing that steam all over Georgia with the
dementia or dishonesty ads, which I give credit. I think
they're really effective and I've seen them a ton. Just
watching regular programming down here in Georgia with my family
(36:43):
over Father's Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Thanks for being with us, everybody. We'll be talking to
you more tomorrow. See you then,
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a little bit later. A tough weekend in the news
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cycle once again for the Biden Harris campaign because Joe
Biden appeared in public and proceeded to speak and walk,
and that's not a good look for the Biden campaign.
When Biden shows up and does things, everyone goes, oh
my gosh, this guy. It's not only I think the
(00:44):
gasp of this guy's the president, there's also the end
he thinks he should be president for four more years.
That is just too much for any reasonable person to bear. Also,
the Iowa poll numbers. This is a des Moines Register
and Seltzer poll. Who is considered the pollsters pollster out
(01:07):
of Iowa, Donald Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at
thirty two percent, RFK Junior at nine percent. Trump up
eighteen points on Biden in Iowa is Landslide Electoral College territory.
If that holds, I don't think anybody disagrees that that's
what that would be. I know we're six now, wait
five five months out, four and a half, four four
(01:29):
and a half, four and a half months out, fourth
basically be four months from I mean the election is
November fifth, so we're exactly four months away in July fourth.
This is going to come very quickly, as we all know.
Right the time period I feel like in the election
year of January to June feels like an eternity. And
then once you get into the summer months, because September
(01:51):
October fly by as like almost it feels like one day.
So we will continue to look at these numbers and
what they indicate also interesting, Claire, I don't think we
talked about this in the first hour. Pew Research says
twenty five percent of voters are quote double haters, dislike
both the Republican and Democrat candidates. This is the highest
(02:14):
number in history, and it is twice what it has
been in twenty twenty, twenty twelve, two thousand and eight
going way back. So there's a lot of antipathy in
this election cycle right now, and perhaps one of the
other ways that we can take a look at this
big piece Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, a bunch of big
(02:36):
names of the New York Times on the resistance to
a new Trump administration has already started. Clay, we would
have expected this. I don't think if Joe Biden was
doing well, they would be running this piece at this time,
this early on. But it is effectively, I think, meant
(02:57):
to be a calming mechanism for Democrats to the degree
that it can be that they will do. They will
pull every trick they can help, every activist, judge, every
Soros funded DA, you know, whatever they can do to
try to stop the Trump agenda. And one thing I
(03:18):
thought was particularly noteworthy in this piece. They are stockpiling
abortion medicine. I mean they're actually and they're saying. This
is from Jay Insley, the governor Washington. He says five
Democratic governors have established stockpiles of MEFI pristone to guard
against the Trump administration, using federal power to stop its
(03:42):
intrastate distribution New York, California, Massachusetts. This is interesting because
the federal government can just decide very and has I
think this is in many cases an abuse of the
interstate Commerce clause, and this is a huge problem. But
the government can say, well, even if you're going to
(04:02):
a state where the thing is okay, you can't cross
the state lines to do the thing that's okay. So
even if mif At Pristo. But I mean, they're really
freaking out about this. Well, we didn't even hardly talk
about it, I don't think. But Friday's Supreme Court decision
about the whether or not the challengers had standing to
(04:24):
challenge collectively, I think it's basically just known as the
Morning After Pill, right, and it was nine to Ozho
that they didn't have standing. And we'll see what Supreme
Court opinions come out with presidential immunity and certainly the
how the Sarbaines Oxley Act can be applied on the
Jan six related cases. But I think what they're running
(04:45):
into is it's really hard to get Trump on abortion.
And remember when he ran in twenty fifteen, Maureen Dowd
asked Donald Trump, have you ever paid for an abortion?
And Trump responded, that's a really interesting question and just
moved on. My point on that is Trump appointed the
(05:10):
justices that got Roe v. Wade overturned Roe v. Wade
was a disaster of a federal case. But what he
has said so far is just every state should have
the right to do whatever they want. And I think
that's hard to mobilize on. Combine that buck.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
With I do think on twenty twenty two they had
a lot of success with oh democracies on the ballot.
Remember Michael Beschlos was on MSNBC saying, I don't know
if I'll be executed or not if the Republicans take
back Congress. Republicans took back the House, and basically nothing's happened.
I think that it is. And when you're trying to
(05:47):
put your chief political rival in prison for the rest
of his life, it's hard to argue that you're the
stewards of democracy. What do they run on. That's why
I think they have to replace Biden, because he's everything
he's done is a failure.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think if you were to do a sane and honest,
side by side comparison of the extreme things done to
Trump and the extreme things done by Trump, we can
Let's let's start with Tom.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's a great analogy.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, extreme things done to Trump. The first sorry, the
Russia collusion hoax, which was a hoax. That is not
an exaggeration at all. As we know, even the Muller
probe was unable to find anything having to do with
Russia and the Trump campaign working together to steal the election.
Not a single vote was changed by Russians hacking into machines,
(06:38):
but they used, as I always say, the process is
the punishment. So the Russia collusion hoax, that is an
extreme thing done to Trump. The first impeachment of Trump,
the second impeachment of Trump, the holding of four criminal indictments,
four indictments to drop so that they all happen in
(06:59):
the election year. Okay, the so do you just put that?
Put that in the column. The changing of New York
state law so that Trump can be sued for a
an alleged sexual assault from thirty years ago, right, I
mean that was basically they changed the law so that
now you can be civilly sued for something that the
(07:20):
statute of limitations exist for a reason. You just can't
defend yourself against things that happened thirty years ago. That
someone says you did a thing, and you say, well,
I mean I didn't do the thing, So how are
you proving? But they went after Trump on that the
four hundred and eighty million dollars of four hundred and
eighty million dollars of judgments against him. I mean, I know, sorry,
this is going on for a long time because of
(07:41):
all the things, okay, that's in the a column of
extreme things done to Trump? What are the extreme things
that Trump has done? The Muslim band. Supreme Court ended
up upholding that, by the way, it wasn't a Muslim
band that was hysterical. Lie. The saying both people people
along both sides were good, that's a lie. That's not
(08:02):
the only thing that I think that a reasonable person
could point to would be the post twenty twenty election
rhetoric from Trump, or the January or the rhetoric you know,
leading up to and on January sixth, and to this,
I would just say Trump wasn't in any way criminally
culpable for anything that happened on that day. And emotions
(08:24):
are running very high, and Democrats, Biden voters had been
rioting for months and it was like our sacred democracy
on display, even during you know, COVID and everything else.
So I'm just if you're going to do a fair okay,
January sixth, you know, that's the thing that they will
point to and say, but it wasn't a coup, it
wasn't an insurrection. It was one Republican or you know,
one right of center riot. You add up all the
(08:46):
other things they've done to Trump. Who are the real extremists,
That's really what this is all getting to, or rather,
who is using extreme political measures against their opponents? And
I think it's not a close call. I think it's
not close at all. This is why their argument is
not working. And I was mentioning, I'm seeing these ads
(09:06):
all over Georgia television, dementia or dishonesty about the prices
and inflation related issues that many families, not only in Georgia,
where I am for the next couple of days, but
all over the country. Georgia just happens to be a battleground.
That's why I think they have.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
To pull the ripcord and end up with a new candidate,
because if you have a new candidate, you can go
back to running. Trump is an unprecedented threat to American democracy,
and insert new candidate is a better choice for America.
The problem that they have right now, Buck is that's
(09:46):
the campaign they ran in twenty twenty. Some of you
out there listening to us right now bought that argument.
You did, and you've had buyers remorse since we've taken calls.
People say, you know what, I was upset over COVID.
I was fearful. I didn't like the way that twenty
twenty was going, and Biden said, I'll bring back normalcy.
(10:08):
We got war in Europe, war in the Middle East.
Ten million illegals have entered our country on the southern border.
Crime has skyrocketed, Your cost of goods has far exceeded
on average, your individual wage games which is a default
a tax. And you're looking around and you're saying, you
(10:29):
know what, nostalgically, the Trump era wasn't that bad. I'm
talking about middle of the road voters out there. They're
going to vote for Trump because his presidency was better
for the average person than Biden has been. And so
the only way you get the story back to Trump,
I think, is if you don't have an incumbent Democrat
(10:52):
president who has stunk it up. Now, look, I want
Biden to be the nominee because I think he has
to run on his job as president, and I think
he's done a really poor job but if they suddenly
pull the switcherrou and they put someone This is another
reason why I think it would not be Kamala right,
because they can tar and feather Kamala with Biden's failures.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
If you can get someone in.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
There who has not been in the White House, that
person can run the Biden democracy case against Trump in
a way that maybe gets them across the finish line.
I just don't think people are suddenly going to break
four and a half months out after you've had Biden
president for three and a half years. I don't think
you're suddenly going to convince people, hey, you know what,
(11:38):
Biden's actually done a good job. I want more of this.
I think he's dead in the water, and that doesn't
even factor in his dementia or his physical and mental
weakness on the global stage and on every single event.
That's why I think they're at the ripcord moment. They're
at the break the glass on the fire extinguisher moment.
And next week, the June twenty seventh, strangely scheduled presidential
(12:03):
debate I think has the potential for everybody to jump
right off the Biden team and say, you know what,
it's time for a change. You know, the person is
the most difficult to persuade on this, doctor Jill biden
Buck in my opinion, who has to know better than
anybody how bad a shape Joe's in and wants to
hang on to that power.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Just one more thing, you know, because I was talking
about how the the BLM rioted all summer in twenty twenty,
and that was considered not just it was it was
like a patriotic act. It was for racial presses whatever
which was. It was insane. It actually made everything worse
for everybody. A lot of people died because of what
BLM did in twenty twenty. But this is interesting to
(12:43):
me that they're the ACLU, as part of the resistance
two point zero is preparing to immediately challenge, upon a
Trump victory, the usage of the Insurrection Act to make
sure that Trump, by federal court order, is not able
to call in the National Guard or federal forces to
(13:05):
stop massive rolling riots. Gee, everyone, what why.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Would the ACLU right now be preparing, according to the
New York Times, not some right wing blog, why would
the ACLU be trying to tie a future Trump administration's
hands when it comes to putting down massive destructive riots.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's almost like they're preparing for this if they don't
get their way, just like they were in twenty twenty
by the way, with all the boarded up stores.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
And remember, they're gonna reject the thing they claimed was
so unacceptable to do. They're going to reject the validity
of the election results in twenty twenty four to two, right,
They're going to try to get Kamala Harris to refuse.
That's why they changed the law to make it less likely.
But this, I'm telling you, they're going to do everything
(14:05):
that they claim Republicans are going to do.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Just get ready for it.
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News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
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Show this Dementia or Dishonesty ad that they're running in Georgia, Buck,
do you agree with me that when you start to
look at all the data, it's becoming increasingly clear. Right now,
(15:52):
as we set four and a half months out the
Iowa pole, were Biden's fallen behind by eighteen points, that
really the the only pathway to victory he has is
sweeping the big ten states that he has to win.
He can't lose one of them Wisconsin, minnes Wisconsin, Michigan,
and Pennsylvania. And if that's true compared to the map
(16:15):
that Trump has, at some point the panic sets in.
And I think we're starting to see the panics set
in where there isn't some sort of expected outcome. I
saw the axios this morning. I always like to see
what their lead story is. It's that in the wake
of the Hunter Biden trial, a lot of people inside
(16:36):
the Biden team are saying, why in the world did
Biden run? Because they had bought into the idea that
this Hunter Biden thing was all It's a hoax, the
Ashley Biden mess, the Halle Biden mess, all of the
crises that surround his family. They bought into, Oh, this
is just not real. And when the court case happened.
(16:57):
You have to say, oh, my, this is real. Like
he was sleeping with his dead brother's wife and he
got her on crack and he broke up his own marriage.
And Biden knew all this and he ran for president. Anyway,
I think there's a holy crap moment kind of setting
in for a lot of people who've had blinders on
as it pertains to Biden.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think that the fact that Biden
sits right now as President of the United States is
a remarkable testament to the powers of political delusion in
this country. I mean, this guy, this guy was a loser,
you know, decades ago. I mean, this has been known
on the presidential stage. I mean at the national level.
You know, if Delaware wants to have this clown as
(17:38):
their center, I mean that's on Delaware. But the fact
that they managed to do this, and remember, he wasn't
even really leading. It's not like he came out of
the gates and everyone said, oh, it has to be Biden.
The machine made a decision and he was the end
product of that machinery.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
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all those voters, and then Cliburne said, you're the choice
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Back into Clay and Buck. So the masks on the
subway maybe a thing of the past. I see very
few people now wearing masks for what I would assume
to be COVID related reasons. It was interesting there were
people at the campus protests who were wearing masks because
(19:19):
of COVID and just disease spreading in general from aerosol
eyes virus. But then there were more and more who
also came out to say, no, it's because we don't
want our jobs to be taken away from us, because
we're a part of these protests. So it was a combination.
I thought it was more their neurotic anti COVID stuff.
(19:40):
There were some of that. They said that. But point is,
you're not seeing a lot of masking these days for
COVID the way you used to, which is interesting because
people still get colds and viruses and things and almost
like it never worked, and we've always known this. It
didn't work to stop the Spanish influenza outbreak of nineteen eighteen.
But anyway, this is another part of the equation, though Clay.
(20:03):
If you can't see someone's face, you don't know who
they are. If society can't tell who people are, the
criminal elements have a freer hand. And that is why
I think it is so interesting that the Governor of
New York, Kathy Hokeel, is pushing for a ban on
masks in the subways. There's also people who are calling
(20:29):
for a ban on masks at protests, which I think
is interesting. That's another level of it, if you will.
So there are states that have had this in place
for a long time. What's interesting is that in the past,
one of the reasons why they ban masks was because
of the history of the ku Klux Klan, all right,
and they didn't want there to be this ability to have,
(20:52):
you know, racists gather together, hide their identity and terrorize
a community or a neighborhood. So the left was in
favor of that. But now they got rid of mask
laws in some places, or at least they've stopped enforcing
them because of COVID. New York previously this is the
(21:15):
AP banned public mask wearing by groups of three people
or more under a law dating back to the nineteenth century,
when upstate tenant farmers dressed as Native Americans and rose
up violently against landlords. The law was lifted when COVID
nineteen struck. Until two years ago, riders were required to
(21:37):
wear masks on public transit as well, so there was
a mask They went from a masked ban to a
lift of the ban to a mask mandate, and now
it looks like they're going back to a ban Why
because criminals wear masks. Some of us said this all along.
(21:58):
I just think it's interesting to they can't figure out
what they wanted. They've have been truly on every side
of this issue, every side of the mask and I
think we have audio of them discussing this, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
This is Kathy Hokel and Eric Adams. They had a
press conference to discuss issues with crime on the subway
and considering banning the wearing of masks. It's just so interesting.
There's probably a ton of you listening to us on
war who have been having to deal with the mask
mandate all over New York City. Remember Buck, I know
(22:31):
you do. When they were going to make you show
your VAX card to go to McDonald's in New York City,
Like you couldn't even go into a fast food restaurant
without having your VAX card on you to say nothing.
Of course, you had to have masks, and you had
to put your mask on between bites and between drinks,
and they would walk around and make sure that they
were on top of this. Listen to them now, Kathy
(22:53):
Hokele and Eric Adams making a decision that you know what,
criminals actually are taking advantage of this and they're where
masks and we need to maybe change that.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Listen, people have hid under the guise of wearing a
mask for COVID to commit commit criminal acts and bill acts.
And I've seen down all the time to go back
to the way it was of COVID when you should
not be able to wear a mask a protests and
our subway systems and other places.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I agree with him, there's no reason, there's no reason
to allow people. And people say, well, it's a public
safety issue. It's a public safety issue. The mask mandate
that they pushed was a published what they said was
for public safety. They were wrong about the safety implications,
but for the you know if basically if you can
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mandate them, you can mandate not them, or you know
that you can't.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Wear them, the opposite of a mandate. I do think
that it's very important, not only on the subway, but
I think protesters should not be able to wear masks,
and you should be arrested immediately if you try to
protest wearing a mask, because that to me is indicative
of an intent to one not actually stand up for
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whatever you believe in, but two to potentially engage in
criminal acts and avoid all responsibility for it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And so your point is, yes, KKK.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
They war hoods for a reason because they didn't want
to be identified and they wanted to be able to
terrorize people with their political beliefs. Well, aren't Isn't that
the reason why many protesters are wearing masks and those
what are those kaifas or however you pronounce it, the
scarf that they lap around their face cafias. The reason
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they're doing the same thing now to avoid being held
responsible for what they are doing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
While they're protesting.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Eric Adams is right on this, And a little bit
of praise to Eric Adams.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
He did you see a speech I shared it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I think it was last week Wednesday or Thursday, in
the wake of the respond to the Nova protest in
basically saying, hey, these people all went to an innocent rave,
of all things. I believe it was the Nova Rave
where two hundred and sixty some odd innocent people were
murdered and where many people were kidnapped, and many people
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in New York City showed up to protest in favor
of what happened at that event, and Eric Adams came
out and forcefully said this is unacceptable. And I give
him credit for that. As the mayor of New York City,
he's been far better on these issues than Joe Biden has.
I don't think he's been a great mayor. I think
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Buck you'd have to say he's been better than the
disaster that Deblasio was. Now he's not Rudy, he's not Bloomberg,
but he's not as bad as to Bill Deblasio was,
who may be the worst mayor in any of our
lives in terms.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Of his impact.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And he's at least sometimes getting to the right result
even with the craziness of New York City.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I think I think Eric Adams is I don't think
he has the managerial skill set to do what is
necessary in New York City in turn around, I think
he sometimes lacks the political will as well. However, he's
not malicious. He's not intentionally upending aspects of life in
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New York City because he thinks that people need to
suffer more, because that's what justice demands. Deblasio was effectively
malicious in his approach to the city. It was you know,
if there's more crazy homeless people throwing things at you
on the streets, like that's the society we need to
live in, because that's fair. You know, Deblasio was intentional destruction. Adams,
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I think sometimes can be in over his head, but
I don't think that he is hoping that things get
worse for New Yorkers, because shared misery is what socialism
is all about at the end of the day, Like
Deblasio was ideologically predisposed toward New York's destruction and unfortunately
got very far because when he took over New York
it was in the best shape it has been in
in my in our lifetime, and pretty much every respect.
(27:00):
But the mask issue on the subways is just also
I think a little bit of a desperation because remember
when they deployed the National Guard and then they got
rid of it, you know, they lasted for a week
or two because that wasn't going to do anything. Fundamentally,
The problem is they have to lock up more criminals.
They have to lock up people who hurt people for
longer periods of time. There have to be punishments for
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people who assault you know, New York City subway riders
and they have to be taken out of circulation. They
have to be taken out of you know, being able
to walk around and continue to do this. If you
have a city where people can get arrested fifty or
one hundred times without real punishment, you're going to have
a city where people are in fear on the subway
and everything around that. I mean, even the mask issue, well,
(27:44):
I agree with it. It's nibbling around the edges. But
Democrats are terrified of disparate impact through the enforcement of
criminal justice laws. Who's going to end up in Rikers
Island in larger numbers if they enforce the criminal justice
laws as they are written, not going to be Trump Vhoters.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I can tell you that, Buck, when we come back
to see the story that's starting to trend a little
bit that the Biden people are nervous that Joe Biden
has to stand up for ninety minutes for the debate
at CNN next week, and that they are potentially trying
to get it changed so that both candidates sit. I
talk to some people inside of the Trump team and
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this was one of the things that they cared about
the most. They didn't want necessary. I mean, they would
have preferred audience all those things. One of the things
they cared about the most was they want Biden standing
because they legitimately aren't sure that he can manage to
stand for ninety minutes, walk out onto the stage, do
all those things. Can you believe we're at a point
where one of the candidates would be contemplating the physical
(28:48):
advantage they get from merely requiring someone to stand for
ninety minutes? Has that ever been a calculus that's ever
occurred that you can remember of an actual debate. And
I'm telling you, if Joe Biden, Joe Biden gets dizzy
and falls down on stage, Kamala Harris is the Democrat nominee.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
That's how I see it. And I think that is
that I don't think they can come back from that.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And by the way, you know this because you've done it,
standing under those bright lights is not easy to do
staring into them. There are a lot of mechanical things
that the average person who hasn't stood underneath those big
Kleague lights can think about. And I'm telling you, I'm
not convinced that Biden is going to avoid a frozen
(29:30):
moment in ninety minutes if he has to stand up.
I mean, how many times has he stood up for
ninety minutes and answered questions in the past four years?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Has he done it?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Maybe once at a long debate, I mean at a
long press conference. He hasn't done any years. Whatever they're
going to juice him up with. I could use some
of that to finish the yeas on my book. I
can tell you I could use some of that. I
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Speaker 3 (31:49):
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You were talking about Chammath, one of the guys from
the All In podcast out on the West Coast. David
Sachs did the big twelve million dollar fundraiser in San Francis,
but one of the top Sequoia execs as well as
Bill Ackman, who is I believe at Pershing these are
monster billionaire hedge fun guys involved in private equity, all
(32:13):
of those different fields out there. They confessed. I believe
the guy's name is McGuire, James McGuire. I think I
got that right.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Team. You can let me know if I'm wrong, but
I give credit to him.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
He went on social media over the weekend and he said, hey,
full disclosure. I bought into the Very Fine People hoax.
I thought that it was legitimate and that Trump had
said that Neo Nazis were very fine people at the
Charlottesville situation.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I would say, Buck, I'm curious if you would agree.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I know Russia was more impactful in terms of what
went on there, but there were a few hundred or
a few thousand dollars spent on the Russian ads on Facebook.
Anybody who's ever bought Facebook ads knows how inconsequential that
is when you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars
being spent on political ads. I think the Very Fine
(33:08):
People hoax might have been the most defective lie told
about Trump because so many people still believe it, even
if they are intelligent Otherwise people. This is why I
always think you and me and everyone out there, the
millions of people out there listening to us, we know
(33:28):
the very fine people hoax occurred. I think there's still
a lot of reasonable, very legitimate people who have success
in fields that trust the media to be honest with
them and have no idea they relied to about that.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I haven't seen data on this in a while, but
I know that three years into Trump's term, you still
had an enormous number of Democrats who believed that Russia
had actually changed votes by the way in the election. Yeah,
I could go back and find you some of the polling,
(34:01):
but you know, for fifty percent, maybe even sixty percent
of Democrats thought that Russia had actually changed the votes
in twenty sixteen years into Trump's election. So that was
a another very effective lie. I mean, the whole Russia
collusion thing. I remember Trump told me this in the
Oval awful awful, sorry, Oval office probably feels awful if
(34:25):
you have to be stuck there too much when you're
president after a while, right, Who didn't one of the
presidents describe the White House as feeling like a prison.
But Trump told me in the Oval Office that and
I thought this was a very astute, very Trump company.
It doesn't even make any sense. Yeah, Russia collusion thing,
You're you're gonna work with Russia to become president, and
then Russia is gonna have a thumb on you to
(34:46):
be able to destroy you at any point in time.
Trump Trump knows Putin and his ilk far too well
to think that.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
That also understands leverage and negotiation. You would never want
to pry in that position.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
This is like, are you gonna go borrow ow money
from a loan shark if you don't need the loan
sharks money. I mean, it just makes no sense. It
was a dumb idea. There was no part of it
that held together if you just thought it through. It's
gonna work with the Russians to do some you know,
hacking into voting machines or whatever. The whole thing was idiotic.
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Entire Democrat aligned mainstream media believed it, and still I
think a lot of them believe it. If you go
on like the Bill Marsha would say, Russia collusion was
the collusion was a hoax. They still have Democratic guests
are going, oh no, it's you know, there was the
thing and the you know the meeting and the Trump Tower.
They they won't give it up. They won't give it up.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The reason why I think the Very Fine People hoax
was so impactful is Biden cited it as the entire
reason he ran for president in twenty twenty and as if, oh,
I saw what happened at Charlottesville. Now, if we had
an honest media, we basically have hundreds or thousands of
Charlottesville's taking place every single week all over this country
(35:59):
since October seven. And Joe Biden claimed he was going
to restore the soul of the nation. I would argue
that he's made the soul of the nation far more
toxic than maybe it's ever been in any of our lives.
But the fact that we have guys like this who
are intelligent, coming out and saying, oh, I'm now seeing
the truth makes me optimistic that increasingly people are opening
their eyes, particularly young people, black, White, Asian and Hispanic,
(36:22):
who may well be breaking for Trump in numbers we've
never seen for a Republican candidate. I think there's a
lot of reason for optimism. Time to add on some steam,
and I'm seeing that steam all over Georgia with the
dementia or dishonesty ads, which I give credit. I think
they're really effective and I've seen them a ton. Just
watching regular programming down here in Georgia with my family
(36:43):
over Father's Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Thanks for being with us, everybody. We'll be talking to
you more tomorrow. See you then,
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