Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jun 17 2024

Biden and Switch? Black voters breaking from Biden? Extreme things. Sen. Rand Paul on getting answers.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Monday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
starts right now. Everybody, thank you for joining us much
to get to first up a little roadmap for you.
We have Senator rand Paul be joining us this hour,
bottom of the hour on the destruction of due process,
some big COVID news, and some other news of the day.

(00:21):
We always enjoy talking to Senator Rand Paul. Doctor Ben
Carson second hour. You all know him from well just
being amazing. He's the retired neurosurgeon, former HUD secretary under Trump.
He's got a new book out and is talked about
as a possible VP candidate. And I have to say

(00:43):
I wouldn't say odds on favorite. We'll ask him about it,
of course, but Clay, I think fair to say if
you were the choice, strong choice, and nobody would be
chocked or taken aback at it. I mean it would,
it would make it. It's I think nothing but upside.
I think it's a upside choice, no downside for a
President Trump's ticket if you were to go with doctor Carson.

(01:04):
So we'll talk to about that. Also, just such a
brilliant and humble man. Brilliant and humble is such a
nice commendation. In politics these days, you don't get a
lot of that. You get a lot of the other
You get a lot of dumb and arrogant. But doctor
Carson brilliant, humble. We'll talk to him in just a bit.
The fact that the governor of New York and Chuck Schumer,

(01:27):
I think now too, right, Well, they both were trying
to show us how to grill over the weekend. You
see this, they pulled it down. Yeah, operating a grill
with stone cold burgers on it. You know, it's like,
if you're gonna do the photo op, turn on the grill,
you know, actually, grill, don't go through. Don't be a
mime standing at the grill. Hokeeal and Schumer's pretty funny.

(01:50):
It goes to my thing, Buck, of just be normal.
It's amazing how many politicians can't just be normal, like
just be a normal person. Of course, but you know,
if you ever have to be told just be normal,
it's because you have difficulty being normal. Right, So that's
it's kind it's kind of a self fulfilling proposition. But anyway,
we will talk about some of this. They're thinking about

(02:10):
banning masks on the subway and this is deja vu
for me. I on safety concerns because early on the pandemic,
you know, right about when there was a massive increase
in all kinds of crime, particularly violent crime, across the country.
I said, masks. You know, whether you're watching an old
Western or you're you know, everyone knows the guys with

(02:31):
the masks on are the bad guys, you know, the
ones who are hiding their faces. And now they're thinking
about trying to ban them on the subway. We'll talk
about that debate. I think that is really interesting. And
we've got some other things too, like Rubio big column
on whether he'll.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Be the VP. Clay we'll discuss because we're getting close now.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Right now, we're a couple of weeks out from when
a few weeks whatever, a month out from when Trump
is going to have to say who the VP is
going to be. And we'll dive into that.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But I need to start with this because I have
no choice.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know, this is my of all the news cycle
stories we get into the look at Biden, he's so decrepit,
you know, because and Clay's going to give you the
counterpoint or the you know, the other side of this point.
A bit, but I have to talk about it because
everyone's talking about it. He was at a star studded
That's what you have to always say for celebrities. You know,
some of those celebrities I don't know, haven't done anything

(03:28):
in a long time.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
There's actually an interesting article that Biden is only able
to get celebrities over the age of fifty now, which
again I'm cautiously optimistic that we got some data that
younger people, and I'm defining younger broadly as under fifty,
are making rational choices in a way that frankly, people

(03:50):
older than fifty, particularly in Hollywood celebrity ranks, even aren't.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, the the defensive democracy argument, I had thought it
would be residenting mostly clay with the purple haired nos
ring you know, hashtag resistance crowd. It's actually a lot
of retirees, they're saying, I mean, relatively speaking. That's where
there's been a shift. There are older people who think
that Biden is somehow a guardian of democracy versus Trump.

(04:17):
But but first up, we've got to so I said,
star studied fundraiser. That was the big thing in California.
There's this there's this fundraiser and we can't. You know,
it's radio, so we can't really show you that. We'll
put the clip up at clanbuck dot com. It's just
for easy access. You can go see it there. But
Biden had one of his you know, looks like he
doesn't know where he is. And Obama has to come along,

(04:39):
as we've all done with elderly relatives of our own
at different parts in our lives. You have sort of
guide him and make sure he doesn't stumble and fall.
And you see Biden's legs walking, you know, very mechanically,
very slowly and unsteadily, and it's just a bad visual.
And now I open up, I open up all these

(04:59):
websites and to hand this to Clay so you can
tell me what he thinks is going on here. Daily
Mail secret Democrat Democrat plot to replace Biden revealed how Clinton, Obama,
Pelosi and Schumer will topple the aging president and when
they'll do it. I open up the New York Post.
Top of the New York Post right now. I mean,
the headline is killing Dems softly. The Obama Biden arm

(05:20):
grab wasn't just a senior moment. This is Piers Morgan's piece.
It was when everyone realized the president is not fit
for office. Clay, I'm sticking with it. I think I agree,
But I don't think it's going to change anything. It's
going to be a lot of this talk until the debate,
and then they'll pop them full of whatever they have
to for the debate, and they'll get through the summer

(05:42):
telling everybody that he's just got four more years at him.
Are you feeling more and more confident in your last
minute palace coup idea?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I am? I am? I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
And by the way, I think we got to talk
also about black voters per CNN abandoning Biden in big number.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Here's what's going on. You see that, by the way,
he's going for the He's going for two bets there.
He's going for steak dinner. And on top of this,
I'm gonna have to send him to the Spa for
the weekend or something double stak dinner. You might have
to buy out and just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
It's like when you're deciding to go from a motel
to hotel when you're playing Monopoly and you've got a
good run going. But I look at this right now,
and I've always thought June twenty seventh, which is next Thursday,
was a super strange date to decide to do a debate.

(06:34):
And when this date came out, I saw it as
an extreme sign of weakness, because if you're the incumbent president,
why in the world, Remember, incumbent presidents typically do pretty
poorly in the very first debate.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Think about that. Historically, We've talked about it on this program.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Mitt Romney wiped the floor with Barack Obama in the
twenty twelve first presidential debate.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
At a shocking level, at a level that Democrats were
basically weeping afterward.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yes, and then we saw, I thought to be fair,
Trump was the worst version of himself in the first
debate in twenty twenty against Biden. And you wonder why
is that. Typically it's because the president, in some way,
this president, more so than almost anyone, is coddled inside

(07:25):
of their own bubble. And when you become the president
of the United States, a lot of people exist to
tell you that you're doing an amazing job. And for
this president, who takes almost no questions for the press,
who certainly is not, let's be honest, able to aggressively
consume media on his own It's not like Biden is

(07:46):
sitting around late at night in the Oval office assessing
overall perspectives on his performance so far. I think that
they are setting him up with a prove it or
go home stop performance here on June twenty seventh. And
here's my rationale. But let me just lay it out
for you, Buck. The numbers haven't moved. So they said, hey, look,

(08:10):
State of the Union, We're going to show how good
we are. Numbers didn't move. They said, hey, we're going
to nail Trump with thirty four different felony charges. Numbers
don't move. That suggests to me that most people have
made up their mind about Trump and Biden and that
they aren't going to adjust. At some point you recognize
that that's the case. And what I've said is, I

(08:32):
think on June twenty seventh he's going to perform poorly,
and even though the standard is low, I think he's
not going to do well enough, and then you'll have
a long break. It was odd, Buck, think about this.
The timing on it's weird too. If you really want
to hit the ground running, June twenty seventh immediately leads
into July fourth weekend. Most people you and me included,

(08:52):
are going to be out with our family somewhere. Friends.
You're not going to be sitting around debating politics. It's
a Thursday, by money, everybody's going to be on the
road getting ready for July fourth, So all of this
is strange. I think he'll do poorly June twenty seventh.
I think they'll have a major discussion over the July
fourth holiday, and I think sometime in July he'll announce

(09:13):
that he's freeing his delegates and the real battle begins.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I will I will indulge further this theory.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I think.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I don't know. I think are people all of you
right now. I think it's maybe fifty to fifty, but
it might be sixty forty.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, it's it's close. Those who think that it won't
be Biden, those who think that it will at this point.
But I want to indulge this theory for a second.
And it's also an opportunity for me to throw out
there that the most respected and consistently accurate polster out
of Des Moines Des Moines Register and Seltzer has right

(09:52):
now Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at thirty two percent.
Now Trump one Iowa twenty sixteen and twenty twenty he
did not win Iowa by almost twenty points.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Everybody, this is an.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Absolute shock poll moment because this is not a poll.
This isn't somebody who's oh, it's a Trump pollster. It's
not a you know, it's not some week online poll
or something on the Drudger poll all the time. She's
always right. Yes, she's considered the best pollster for the
state of Iowa. And she is an RFK junior. Let
me add is at nine percent. So that also adds

(10:28):
to maybe part of why Biden is so far behind
right because he may be losing some considerable support in
Iowa to RFK Junior. So we can return to this
poll in a second. I just wanted to lay it
out though. Is that's a that's a warning sign, that's
a a an oh my gosh moment. I think for
Democrats right now, and I don't like to overstate their concerns,

(10:51):
but Clay, how do they get around the issue of
And this is what.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I keep remember.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I've said along Biden, it'll be Biden or Kamala. Said
Biden or Kamala. The argument or the debate is over
whether there's some other plan, which the Daily Mail is
saying now and here's Morgan and everyone's saying, Remember, it's
not just replacing a president. It's replacing a president and
replacing the person who is in a job to replace
the president.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
And that's how do you get around the Kamala factor
in all of this if you're the Democrat party without
just causing an absolute uproar dissension. And look more RFK
junior voters, maybe more people that are just saying I'm
going third, third party.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
So you only break the glass on the fire extinguisher
if the fire's really going right. You don't do it
when you're like, hey, does it smell a little smoky
in here? You do it because you're going to lose
and you've recognized it. So this is a desperate move.
I'm going to put out the fire, let me grab it.
That's what I think is going on here. The way
you get over it, I think is one Michelle Obama,

(11:55):
which I understand people say she doesn't want to do it,
all those things black woman who's actually popular as opposed
to a black women people don't like if Michelle Obama
doesn't want to need it, doesn't want the job then,
and by the way, comes in as some sort of savior.
At the Chicago I might mention her hometown the base
of Barack and Michelle Obama, Chicago, Illinois, where this convention

(12:17):
is taking place. Then I think you go to the
full floor and you free every delegate, and if Kamala
can get the calculus put together to win, then she will.
But I think Democrats have shown themselves to be diabolical.
If identity politics helps them, they will argue that no
black man or woman in America has a chance because

(12:39):
Joe Biden will keep them from being put in chains
by Donald Trump. If identity politics doesn't help them, then
they will do whatever is necessary to grab on to
the gears of political power. I think it will be
a desperate ploy. By the way, let me say this, buck,
I want Biden to be the nominee because I think
he should have to run on the choices that he
may and I think Trump will beat him. And I

(13:02):
think that's a conclusion Democrats are coming to. So this
is not some Hey, I don't want Joe Biden to
be the nominee because I think he is the most beatable,
but I think buck they will. Here's my concern. They're diabolical.
I think they'll say, all we got to do is
win the Midwest. They go get Josh Shapiro and they
go get they go get Gretchen Whitmer, the governors of

(13:25):
Pennsylvania and Michigan, and they say, we're gonna win with
our Midwest duo, and they kick, and that's how they
end up with. And they could be either way, Whitmer
as the leader or Shapiro as the Whitmer. I don't
like Newsom, I don't like Pritzker, I don't like Kamala.
I think they're diabolical, Bernie and and everybody. And they'll
get in line. They'll get in line and say, you

(13:47):
know what, this is the best ticket. And you know what,
Kamala can run in twenty eight and prove herself, but
this is the save Democracy ticket coming out of the
Big ten.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I still don't think it's going to happen, but I
will say there are people that are banging this drum
louder than ever right now, so I wanted to want it.
At least we're going to continue to air it out
and look at it because I mean what, you can't
count anything out of politics at this stage of the story,
right given what we've already seen, the indictments against Trump,
the criminal conviction, the conviction of Hunter Biden, the looming

(14:20):
Supreme Court decisions, the looming debate. I mean, there's so
much here. It is it is definitely going to be
an interesting political cycle. That much we can know. Oh
and just Clay, I think it's absolutely the case Democrats.
I don't know, they're not counting out the Sunbelt, but
the Roust Belt states are clearly their paths Apery it's
the only way they can do it.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And the fact that Iowa.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Is at seventy six percent of Iowa voters under the
age of thirty five disapprove of Biden right now. I mean,
these are the Iowa numbers, particularly because they're from a
very reliable polster. I know, you can't extract you know,
Michigan is not Iowa, but they're close to each other,
and there's you know, there's some indications there and you know,
this is I think a moment where they should be

(15:02):
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Speaker 2 (17:01):
As we roll closer and closer.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
To next week's debate, and I would say things continue
to look bad for Joe Biden out there in the
polling marketplace, but also just the discussion marketplace that is
so much of the public perception. Let me give you
a couple of data points out there. Number one, and

(17:24):
I want to unpack this with you a little bit.
Here Buck, the Iowa poll that we reference that's done
by the Des Moines Register, by this sort of pole
wizard has Donald Trump up eighteen points. Reminder, Trump won
Iowa by eight in twenty twenty. I want to talk
a bit about that with you. Also, there is an

(17:48):
economist sort of running tally on what they expect to
see from the election. Joe Biden now is down to
Donald Trump in the probably that he will win the
election seventy two to twenty eight. The economist is not
a partisan news outlet, so to speak. It's very obviously

(18:09):
as you would expect business, not a Trump partisan news outlet,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
And for Trump to have opened in their tally, which
looks at polling, which looks at economic indicators, for him
to have opened a seventy two to twenty eight lead
is pretty seismic.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So Buck, I want to hit you with this.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I went back and I looked, and I said, okay,
let's have an actual conversation about the data, not only
in Iowa, but how it has traditionally trended. And you
mentioned earlier in the first hour, Trump up eighteen fifty
to thirty two nine for RFK Junior, Joe Biden's approval

(18:49):
down to twenty eight percent. This is the Des Moines
Register and Seltzer poll that she has been doing for
years and years. And to put this into context, a
couple of different points here that I think are very significant.
First of all, Ann Selzer's been doing these des Moines
Register polls for a long time. Do you remember buck

(19:10):
in twenty twenty in the fall when she went from
in June of twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump
was up one. She had Trump up one in Iowa
this time in the four year news cycle, that's June
of twenty twenty September of twenty twenty, she had a
dead tie. In her last poll that she put out,

(19:32):
she had Trump up seven. He went on to win
Iowa by about eight. This was for many people, a
wait a minute, Twenty twenty is going to be closer
than many people anticipate because an Seltzer has such a
reputation for nailing what happens in Iowa. But I wanted

(19:52):
to hit you with a couple of data points here.
So she had Trump winning by seven in her final poll.
He wins by eight. In twenty twenty, she has Trump
up eighteen right now. This time in twenty twenty against Biden,
she had Trump up one, and she has continued to
have Trump continuing to pull away away a bit in

(20:16):
her overall taly. But Iowa to me is a really
interesting snapshot buck for this reason because if you go back,
Barack Obama won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight,
he won it in two thousand and twelve, and now
you're talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen What this

(20:39):
would represent to me? By the way, Obama won Iowa
by fifteen points over John McCain in two thousand and
eight and by five in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney.
So you're talking about a what is that thirty two
point swing basically in from two thousand and eight to

(21:01):
twenty twenty four if her numbers are accurate right now,
and some of you can say, okay, well Trump's gonna
win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa by eight
as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands out to
me about this buck is there are a lot of
polls now that have Trump running about ten points better

(21:22):
in their state than he did in twenty twenty. Virginia
dead even Biden one by ten. New York now single digits,
where a state that Biden won by about twenty three,
Minnesota very close. My point on this is, if Trump
is going to win Iowa by eighteen, he's not going

(21:44):
to lose Wisconsin, He's not going to lose Michigan, and
he's not gonna lose Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
If that hit this.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Pole is accurate. Here's here's how I think of the
race these days. You know, if this were a marathon,
Trump is way out ahead head it's you know, mile
eighteen or something. I mean, it's deep into this and
unless somebody runs into the course and like pushes him

(22:11):
to the ground or he you know, gets a stress
fracture in his foot. I'm talking, you know about the
marathon analogy here. Unless something crazy happens, this is heading
for a Trump win. But we can't rule out the
crazy happening because of what is what's been going on.
I mean, if someone had said to you in twenty nineteen,
Donald Trump is going to have a booming economy. Everything's amazing.

(22:34):
We're not at war, no Russia in Ukraine, none of
this stuff you see happening right now in the Middle
East with the you know, the enemies of Israel just
doing everything they can to destabilize the region. But that
there'd be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated
and entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be

(22:54):
a series of race riots all summer, and that Donald
Trump would would not end up being the president afterwards.
You would have sounded crazy. I just think that we
have to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have
to remember there's this very real possibly, it's not just
a possibility cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a
mind blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so

(23:14):
called intelligentsia. The twenty twenty I think was a shock
to the American people and to the whole world because
of COVID and this time around Clay, I just think
that the Rumsfeldy unknown unknown is what is is what
is the concern here, because I'm at a point now
where I cannot think of what they would do that

(23:36):
would be kind of normal order of business, standard operating procedure,
even for Democrats, which means a lot of dirty tricks
and a lot of things that I would expect. I
can't anticipate what the thing would be that would change this.
The only thing that I can see, Okay, I know
there's a theory about their placement, and I'm not I'm

(23:56):
not sitting here saying that can happen. I'm just thinking
I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, you know,
anything as possible. I do think that the debate is
what they're this is going to be the highest stakes
presidential debate in memory, because I think it can either
be the beginning of a new trend for Biden or

(24:16):
it could be they need to do something crazy to
figure this out. Right, So that's how I'm seeing it.
Because the Iowa numbers, nobody who follows politics Clay can
dismiss those Iowa numbers.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll or
I don't think that that those numbers are catastrophic for
Biden in a state that has real implications for the
Democrat strategy, which is to win the Roust belt states.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Not only that, to your point, I even think the poll,
I mean, sorry, the debate next week, next Thursday.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
For Biden.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
The problem that Biden has is even if they shoot
him up with every drug known to man and he
goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,
That's what he did at the State of the Union,
and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They
can't hide him in the basement in the same way

(25:10):
that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead
him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration
just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether
it was at the G seven where at times it
appears that he loses his train of thought as to
where he is.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
That to me, is the problem for him.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Even if they shoot him up with everything and he
does okay June twenty seventh, there's gonna be a viral
video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within the
next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see on
June twenty seventh.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And that's a best case scenario.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
He could also freeze up like he did at the
Juneteenth Celebration and like he did at the Obama big
fundraiser out in LA That could happen for him again.
And what do you say at that point in time
and all of this rolls in together, Buck, I want
to play this audio for you of CNN. This is

(26:10):
the other thing we've been talking about Black voters under
the age of fifty. That is, younger Black voters, particularly men,
are breaking away from Joe Biden right now in numbers
that stagger even CNN. I believe this is Harry Inton
on CNN taught with Jim Acosta of all people, talking

(26:31):
about the numbers and how very strong they are for
Trump and bad they are for Biden among black voters.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Listen to cut one.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy cow, folks,
holy col Look at us. Joe Biden was up by
eighty points among.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
This group back.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
At this point in twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Look at where that margin has careem down towards it's now.
Just get this, thirty seven points. That lead has dropped
by more than half. Mister Berman home, I just I've
never seen.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Anything like this.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I'm like speechless because you always look at history and
you go, okay, this is a historic moment. If this
polling is anywhere near correct, we are looking at an
historic moment right now where Black voters under the age
of fifty, which have historically been such a big part
of the Democratic coalition, are leaving it in droves.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I think this is real, and I know we've got
a bet about this, but older black voters. If you
grew up in the civil rights movement, you're still connected
to the Democrat Party. I think younger Black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,
they don't have that same allegiance.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Under the age of fifty. Well, there's a couple things happening.
Number one is in that bet. I will admit, like,
I truly don't believe that Biden is going to be replaced.
And that's why I bet that way the younger blackmail
voter bet we have. I'm emotionally hedging because I would
love for that to be the case.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
For them to believe it could happen, because you refuse
to believe it.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Could happen because I kind of I've been let down
on this one too many times where it's all, well,
not with Romney, but you know, last time around with Trump,
we thought maybe we're going to get more of the
black vote. So anyway, so that's emotional hedging. Here's what
I think is going on with the young blackmail voters
as shown in the polls right now. One thing is

(28:13):
the illegal immigrant situation I truly believe is resonating within
the black community. Or remember you have a lot of
illegals who are showing up in communities where they'll be
already a high minority population. I'm not talking about the
ones in the hotels in Midtown, just broadly speaking, when
you have eight million illegals in four years, they're not

(28:34):
going to be in the in the ritzy neighborhoods, right
They're going to generally be congregating in ethnic enclaves and
in places where there's a higher minority distribution. And the
Democrat Party, if you just had to make an honest
calculation right now, has Joe bied in for the last
four years and the Democrats overall have they focused more

(28:55):
on illegals from all over the world.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Who just got here?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And I mean in terms of resources, I mean in
terms of you know, time on TV talking about or
young black men trying to build their careers, make their
way up up the economic ladder, create some stability financially,
and you know, a future for themselves. I think the
answer is is obvious. I think the answer is obvious
even to Black Democrats who absolutely hate Trump, and that's

(29:20):
where you're starting to see some of them. Peel Off,
I agree with you the allegiance of the older black voters,
is I would I would assume, I would analyze overwhelmingly
the the sort of narrative and the goodwill built up
over a long time of Oh, Democrats are the party
of civil rights, even though it's not really true, but
put that aside. You know, Democrats are the party of

(29:40):
the quote great society and the the massive wealth transfer
of the welfare state for the last sixty years or so.
So that's where I think that comes from. But you
got to think, if you're a younger male voter who
is who's a black guy, You're hearing a lot of
anti masculine, anti masculinity stuff which just doesn't and eight
that seems very strange. You're hearing a lot of interest

(30:04):
and effort from the Democrats to put up illegals and
hotels and get them work permits and get them and
your wages are getting crushed by all the spending the
people who are Inflation is a tax that disproportionately affects
those who don't have assets, which means people paid by
the hour, and a lot of young black men working

(30:26):
hourly wage jobs have got to be looking what's going
on saying? I mean another you see with Ukraine, they
just they're talking about how much money they need over
the next ten years.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I know people gave me heat for it.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I said on this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah,
twenty twenty two, I was like, it's going to cost
a trillion dollars what they're going to do in Ukraine.
Now it's guaranteed to cost a trillion dollars the tax
payer money.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And you know you talk.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
About the fast food cost, the fast food wage is
even more hurt by all this. So that this is
why I think there's a It's not just oh, Trump
is like a charismatic guy, and that I think wasn't necessarily.
I think it's the illegals, plus the lack of economic progress,
plus the inflationary pressure. People just realize you're paying more

(31:12):
for stuff all the time, and that's why I think
there's an open yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
And also I would just close it up by saying,
on this perspective, Biden sold a bill of goods to people.
He said things will get better, things will get more normal.
People don't believe that anymore. So in twenty twenty people
might have bought into the anti Trump argument. That's ultimately
why I think they may pull the ripcord here because

(31:36):
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Speaker 1 (33:23):
A tough weekend in the news cycle once again for
the Biden Harris campaign because Joe Biden appeared in public
and proceeded to speak and walk, and that's not a
good look for the Biden campaign. When Biden shows up
and does things, everyone goes, oh my gosh, this guy.

(33:45):
It's not only I think the gasp of this guy's
the president. There's also the end he thinks he should
be president for four more years. That is just too
much for any reasonable person to bear. Also, the Iowa
poll numbers. This is a des Moines Register and Seltzer poll.

(34:06):
Who is considered the pollsters pollster out of Iowa Donald
Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at thirty two percent,
RFK Junior at nine percent. Trump up eighteen points on
Biden in Iowa is Landslide Electoral College territory. If that holds,
I don't think anybody disagrees that that's what that would be.

(34:28):
I know we're six snow, wait five five months out,
four and a half, four, four and a half, four
and a half months out.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Fourth'll basically be four months from I mean the election
is November fifth, so we're exactly four months away in
July fourth.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
This is going to come very quickly, as we all know.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Right the time period I feel like in the election
year of January to June feels like an eternity, and
then once you get into the summer months, because September
October fly by as like almost it feels like one day.
So we will continue to look look at these numbers
and what they indicate. Also interesting, Clai, I don't think
we talked about this in the first hour. Pew Research

(35:07):
says twenty five percent of voters are quote double haters,
dislike both the Republican and Democrat candidates. This is the
highest number in history, and it is twice what it
has been in twenty twenty, twenty twelve, two thousand and eight,
going way back. So there's a lot of antipathy in

(35:28):
this election cycle right now. And perhaps one of the
other ways that we can take a look at this
big piece Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, a bunch of big
names of the New York Times on the resistance to
a new Trump administration has already started. Clay, we would

(35:49):
have expected this. I don't think if Joe Biden was
doing well, they would be running this piece at this time,
this early on. But it is effectively, I think, meant
to be a a calming mechanism for Democrats to the
degree that it can be that they will do. They
will pull every trick, they can help, every activist, judge,

(36:13):
every soorros funded DA, you know, whatever they can do
to try to stop the Trump agenda. And one thing
I thought was particularly noteworthy in this piece. They are
stockpiling abortion medicine. I mean they're actually and they're saying.
This is from Jay Insley, the governor Washington. He says,

(36:35):
five Democratic governors have established stockpiles of MYFI pristone to
guard against the Trump administration using federal power to stop
its interrat state distribution New York, California, Massachusetts. This is
interesting because the federal government can just decide very and

(36:57):
has I think this is in many cases an abuse
of the interstate commerce clause, and this is a huge problem.
But the federal government can say, well, even if you're
going to a state where the thing is okay, you
can't cross the state lines to do the thing that's okay.
So even if mifit pristont. But I mean, they're really
freaking out about this. Well, we didn't even hardly talk

(37:19):
about it, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
But Friday's Supreme Court decision about the whether or not
the challengers had standing to challenge collectively, I think it's
basically just known as the Morning After Pill, right, and
it was nine to oh that they didn't have standing.
And we'll see what Supreme Court opinions come out with

(37:40):
presidential immunity and certainly the how the Sarbaine's Oxley Act
can be applied on the jan six related cases. But
I think what they're running into is it's really hard
to get Trump on abortion. And remember when he ran
in twenty fifteen. Maureen d Ask Donald Trump, have you

(38:02):
ever paid for an abortion? And Trump responded, that's a
really interesting question, and just moved on. My point on
that is Trump appointed the justices that got Roe v.
Wade overturned.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Roe v.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Wade was a disaster of a federal case. But what
he has said so far is just every state should
have the right to do whatever they want. And I
think that's hard to mobilize on. Combine that buck with
I do think on twenty twenty two they had a
lot of success with o democracies on the ballot. Remember

(38:37):
Michael Beschlows was on MSNBC saying, I don't know if
I'll be executed or not if the Republicans take back Congress.
Republicans took back the House, and basically nothing's happened. I
think that it is. And when you're trying to put
your chief political rival in prison for the rest of
his life, it's hard to argue that you're the stewards
of democracy. What do they run on. That's why I

(38:59):
think they have to replace Biden, because he's everything he's
done is a failure.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think if you were to do a a sane
and honest, side by side comparison of the extreme things
done to Trump and the extreme things done by Trump,
we can let's let's start with it's a great analogy.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yes, extreme things done to Trump.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Uh. The first, sorry, the Russia collusion hoax, which was
a hoax that is not an exaggeration at all. As
we know, even the Muller probe was unable to find
anything having to do with Russia and the Trump campaign
working together to steal the election. Not a single vote
was changed by Russians hacking into machines, but they used,
as I always say, the process is the punishment. So

(39:44):
the Russia collusion hoax, that is an extreme thing done
to Trump. The first impeachment of Trump, the second impeachment
of Trump. The holding of four criminal indictments, four in
hetments to drop so that they all happened in the
election year.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay, the so do you just put that? Put that
in the column.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
The changing of New York state law so that Trump
can be sued for a an alleged sexual assault from
thirty years ago, right, I mean that was basically they
changed the law so that now you can be civilly
sued for something that the statute of limitations exist for
a reason. You just can't defend yourself against things that

(40:29):
happened thirty years ago. That someone says you did a thing,
and you say, well, I mean, I didn't do the thing,
So how are you proving? But they went after Trump
on that the four hundred and eighty million dollars of
four hund and eighty million dollars of judgments against him.
I mean, I know, Sorry, this is going on for
a long time because of all the things, Okay, that's
in the a column of extreme things done to Trump?

(40:51):
What are the extreme things that Trump has done?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
The Muslim band.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Supreme Court ended up upholding that, by the way, it
wasn't a Muslim band.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
That was just racle lie.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
The saying both people al on both sides were good,
that's a lie. That's not the only thing that I
think that a reasonable person could point to would be
the post twenty twenty election rhetoric from Trump, or the
January or the rhetoric you know, leading up to and
on January sixth, and to this.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I would just say.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Trump wasn't in any way criminally culpable for anything that
happened on that day. And emotions are running very high,
and Democrats Biden voters had been riding for months, and
it was like our sacred democracy on display, even during
you know, COVID and everything else.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
So I'm just if you're going to do a fair
okay January sixth.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
No, that's the thing that they will point to and say,
But it wasn't a coup, it wasn't an insurrection. It
was one Republican or you know, one right of center riot.
You add up all the other things they've done to Trump.
Who are the real extremists, That's really what this is
all getting to, or rather who is using extreme political
measures against their opponents? And I think it's not a

(42:00):
close call. I think it's not close at all.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
This is why their argument is not working. And I was.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Mentioning, I'm seeing these ads all over Georgia television, dementia
or dishonesty about the prices and inflation related issues that
many families, not only in Georgia where I am for
the next couple of days, but all over the country.
Georgia just happens to be a battleground. That's why I

(42:27):
think they have to pull the ripcord and end up
with a new candidate, because if you have a new
candidate you can go back to running. Trump is an
unprecedented threat to American democracy, and insert new candidate is
a better choice for America. The problem that they have

(42:48):
right now, Buck, is that's the campaign they ran in
twenty twenty. Some of you out there listening to us
right now bought that argument. You did, and you've had
buyers remorse since we've taken calls. People say, you know what,
I was upset over COVID. I was fearful. I didn't
like the way that twenty twenty was going, and Biden said,

(43:10):
I'll bring back normalcy. We got war in Europe, war
in the Middle East. Ten million illegals have entered our
country on the southern border. Crime has skyrocketed, Your cost
of goods has far exceeded on average your individual wage
games which is a default at tax. And you're looking

(43:31):
around and you're saying, you know what, nostalgically, the Trump
era wasn't that bad. I'm talking about middle of the
road voters out there. They're going to vote for Trump
because his presidency was better for the average person than
Biden has been. And so the only way you get
the story back to Trump, I think, is if you

(43:54):
don't have an incumbent Democrat president who has stunk it up. Now, Look,
I want Biden the nominee because I think he has
to run on his job as president, and I think
he's done a really poor job. But if they suddenly
pull the switch Arou and they put someone this is
another reason why I think it would not be Kamala, right,
because they can tar and feather Kamala with Biden's failures.

(44:17):
If you can get someone in there who has not
been in the White House, that person can run the
Biden democracy case against Trump in a way that maybe
gets them across the finish line. I just don't think
people are suddenly going to break four and a half
months out after you've had Biden president for three and
a half years. I don't think you're suddenly going to

(44:40):
convince people, Hey, you know what, Biden's actually done.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
A good job. I want more of this.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
I think he's dead in the water, and that doesn't
even factor in his dementia or his physical and mental
weakness on the global stage and on every single event.
That's why I think they're at the ripcord moment. They're
at the break the glass on the fire extinguisher moment.
And next week the June twenty seventh, strangely scheduled presidential debate,

(45:08):
I think has the potential for everybody to jump right
off the Biden team and say, you know what, it's
time for a change.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
You know, the person is the.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Most difficult to persuade on this, doctor Jill Biden Buck
in my opinion, who has to know better than anybody
how bad a shape Joe's in and wants to hang
on to that power.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Just one more thing, you know, because I was talking
about how the the BLM rioted all summer in twenty twenty,
and that was considered not just it was like a
patriotic act. It was for racial pressis whatever which was.
It was insane. It actually made everything worse for everybody.
A lot of people died because of what BLM did
in twenty twenty. But this is interesting to me that

(45:47):
there the ACLU, as part of the resistance two point
zero is preparing to immediately challenge, upon a Trump victory,
the usage of the Insurrection Act to make sure that Trump,
by federal court order, is not able to call in
the National Guard or federal forces to stop massive rolling riots. Gee, everyone,

(46:15):
why would the ACLU right now be preparing, according to
The New York Times, not some right wing blog. Why
would the ACLU be trying to tie a future Trump
administration's hands when it comes to putting down massive destructive riots.

(46:35):
It's almost like they're preparing for this if they don't
get their way, just.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like they were in twenty twenty, by the way, with
all the boarded up stores.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And remember, they're gonna reject the thing they claimed was
so unacceptable to do. They're going to reject validity of
the election results in twenty twenty four to two. Right,
They're going to try to get Amla Harris to refuse.
That's why they changed the law to make it less likely.
But this, I'm telling you, they're going to do everything

(47:08):
that they claim Republicans are going to do.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Just get ready for it. That's where we're headed, I think,
so we should get ready for it. Everybody.

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We'll join now by Senator Rand Paul Love, Kentucky. Senator
Paul appreciate you making the time for us.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Let's start with if you would tell us about the
hearing tomorrow up on the Hill and your ongoing COVID
nineteen origins and vestigation. What's the latest and what are
you trying to get you next?

Speaker 7 (49:04):
This is a big step forward. This is the first
bipartisan full committee hearing on the origins of the virus.
We'll have four scientists, two scientists who believe the evidence
points towards it come from the lab, and two scientists
who believe the opposite. But interestingly, one of those scientists
is a good friend of Anthony Fauci's, and privately Bob

(49:26):
Gary said, oh my goodness, this is not a conspiracy.
This is real. Everything looks like it came from the lab.
And then in public he wrote a paper four days later,
at the behest of Anthony Fauci that concluded, there's no
way it could have come from the lab. If possible,
your nuts. If it came from the lab, so he'll
be one of the Democrat scientists testifying. Well, what'll make

(49:48):
it interesting is this first time we've had scientists on
both sides of this issue in a public forum essentially
debating this issue and with questions from Republicans and Democrats
on it. The big step forward. The Democrats, heretofore, have
refused to have any kind of participation in this. So
this is the first time Democrats have tistiated in any hearing,

(50:09):
any bipartisan hearing center.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Paul, I watched the Doctor first of all, thanks for
coming on. I watched the Doctor Fauci hearing in front
of the House Committee, and what still staggers me is
how committed Democrats are to defending Fauci, even though many
of the arguments he made, frankly from a scientific perspective,
have now been proven to be bunk. Whether it's the

(50:32):
six foot social distancing, whether it's making kids wear masks.
As Buck has pointed out for some time, Fauci, to
my knowledge, has never said, hey, you know what, you're
going too far when you do X, or why he
never did it? Why do you think Democrats are still
committed to defending him over pursuing the truth and are

(50:54):
you optimistic that's ever going to change.

Speaker 7 (50:58):
I think Democrats buy in laws, are committed to the
idea that the common man is incompetent, that the common
man should not be allowed the freedom to make medical
and that experts no better than the common man. And
so Anthony Fauci is sort of the extreme representative of
what the Democrats believe, that experts should decide what kind

(51:20):
of health care you should get, and what kind of
medicines you should take, and whether you should take a vaccine.
And they fear that criticism of him is criticism of
central authority or central planning with regard to healthcare. And
so I think because their commitment is so strong, I
think that's why in the end they defend him, even
though now most of the things he said have been

(51:42):
deblunked or been flat out wrong.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Senor ram Paul with us now Kentucky Senator, do you
think that the end goal here other than getting to
the truth. Do you still have any hope of accountability
for what was done during COVID and including covering up
the origins the virus, the intentional cover up from the
health authorities, And do you think that there's still room

(52:06):
to hope that we can get a change in what
the policy would be going forward, because I mean I
would just sit here and say, in my mind, they
would run the same playbook again if they could. They wouldn't.
They might make some adjustments to it, but overall, I
think there's a lot of things that the Democrats and
the Democrat dominated health establishment would go back to from COVID.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
So our first hearing will be laying out the evidence
for this COVID virus originating in the Wulan lab. The
second hearing, we'll be talking about how we could reform
government's evaluation of gain of function research. They have to
realize that the NIH has steadfast the reviews to divulge information,
all of which is not classified, but they will not

(52:51):
give us the deliberations on why they concluded the research
in Wuhan was not gain a function and this was
kind of glossed over in the half arings. Fauci continues
to say, oh, according to the definition of the P
three COO Committee, this safety committee, it wasn't gain of function.
But he didn't resent the research to that committee. So

(53:14):
Anthony Fauci did it by himself. Now we know that
they meet at something called Dual Use Research of concerned
gain of function meeting. We know that they met on
the Wuhan research to discuss whether it was gain of function.
What they won't give us is the deliberations if scientists
made an argument on both sides. If we want to
reform it, we need to understand what mistakes they made

(53:36):
in their assessment to say that it wasn't dangerous the
research going on in Wuhan. But anyway, we have a
bill that is largely written. We've talked to scientists across
the United States about this and got an input. We're
still getting input from scientists on this. We've presented it
to the Democrats. The only chance of passing it in
this Congress would be if Democrats in the Senate would
actually actively support it. So that's what the goal of

(53:59):
these hearings are is really mostly to try to get
Democrats on board for reforming gain of function oversight and
we'll see if we get there. As far as accountability,
you know, Anthony Fauci getting is just as Iertz and
going to jail. That would require a new administration and
a new Attorney general to objectively look at that. I
just think he's lied under oaths repeatedly.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul. You hit on something
that I think is really important. And it seems as
if we were giving American taxpayer dollars to aid in
research in Chinese labs, which I think a lot of Americans,
myself included, say why in the world would we be
doing that in the first place? Because Fauci says, oh,
I don't know what they were doing. Necessarily, it's a

(54:44):
limited amount of money. But why are they getting American
taxpayer dollars in the first place? Would be part one
for you part two, and you've hit on this before,
but I think it's so important. COVID was a relatively
non lethal virus that was created. There is the potential
to create an incredibly lethal virus. How afraid are you,

(55:07):
based on what you have seen about gain of function research,
that the next time we have a lab error like this,
or we have a virus created like this that gets out,
it could be far more deadly and far more dangerous
than anything we saw with COVID.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Yeah, that's my biggest worry. Really. If you listen to
Robert Redfield, who's a virologist for a thirty year history
in virology. Who is the CDC director under Trump? He'll
tell you that his concern is that there are viruses
out there that have up to fifty percent mortality. COVID
had aboutero point three percent. It's about three times worse

(55:44):
than the flu, which is bad. But you know, we
can sometimes have three hundred thousand people die from the
flu in our country and we had a million dogs,
And I don't downplay it. That's it was a significant event,
But imagine what it would have been like if it
would have been an overall death rate of five percent
or fifty percent. You're talking about civilization changing events at
that point. You're talking about fourteenth century plague where a

(56:05):
third of Europe died. We're talking about the scourge of
when a third of a city would die when smallpox
came to town. So yeah, we have to be ready
and we have to be prepared the next time this
comes around. It's also why we should continue to talk
about natural immunity. You get a viral pandemic that gets started,
even if you have lightning fast production of a vaccine,

(56:27):
and even if it works, maybe it'll work better the
next time, but even it should work. You're gonna have
six months to a year even with a lightning fast
development of a vaccine. What you need to do is
realize who's at most risk, and then they need to
be protected by people who have recovered from the virus.
Because Anthony Falcy threw out the window any idea of
natural immunity. See, we should have populated all of the

(56:49):
nursing homes with young people who had already recovered from COVID.
You know, I'm not a young person anymore. But I
got COVID in March or two weeks later. I had
my immunity. I volunteered at my local hospital, and I
was useful. I would go into the patient's room and
help nurses and orderlies and everybody else to flip patients
over who are on the ventilator, just to be one
extra set of hand so someone else didn't have to

(57:10):
risk getting the virus. We should have done that as
a national strategy. But instead Anthony Bauci continue to him
and ANSO, we don't know about it. You still have
to wear four masks, even though you've recovered from it.
You got to wear a mask on a plane. Instead
of any kind of common sense, He threw it out
the window, but he also threw out the one thing
you can do without a vaccine is to try to
have the young people who have recovered from a disease

(57:31):
be the protectors of the vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Senator a round, Paul, before we let you go out,
I just wanted to give you a chance to weigh
in on just what's going on with the weaponization of
the Justice Department in an election year against Donald Trump
and obviously local prosecution as well in the case of
New York and Atlanta. What this means for due process
rights and just the rule of law in general, and
how you think we can start to address what's clearly

(57:58):
unjust from the Justice Department.

Speaker 7 (58:01):
You know, I think a lot of people on the left,
they run these endless things on CNN to same one
network about the end of democracy, it's the end of
the world of Donald Trump should win. But I actually
think it's closer and more accurate to say that we
could ruin the foundation of this country if the justice
system escapes from impartiality and becomes a partisan weapon. And

(58:24):
there's no question. If you can find an objective progressive person,
ask them whether or not anybody's ever been prosecuted for
expired bookkeeping crimes about paying off a woman, you know,
I mean, there's no way in the world that's ever
been prosecuted before, and so it's selective prosecution. Ask an
objective warrior whether or not you can be prosecuted for

(58:46):
something they don't even inform you the crime of the
sixth Amendment says, yet to be notified of the crime,
it was impossible to know. And the judge in the
end said, well, you can convict him of any other
secondary crime you want to, but you have to figure
out a secondary crime you don't even all. I have
to agree, well, you have to know what you've been
accused of in order to defend yourself. So I think
that's going to be thrown out on six Amendment account.

(59:09):
But I do worry that there are people around the country.
Everywhere I travel, people are coming up, they called into
your show. These are people who are truly worried. Can
I still participate in America? Can I give money? Can
I go to a rally without getting our O list?
And that all of a sudden they're going to be
investigating my tax status, investigating my business, and it'll be
selective prosecution. If it comes to that, and if the

(59:30):
majority people believe that we are in for I think
strife in our country and I hope it doesn't come
to that.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Senator round Paul, appreciate you being with us or thanks
so much?

Speaker 7 (59:40):
Thanks as no.

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