June 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Hochul, Schumer do raw-burger photo op. Subway to ban masks? Is Biden getting bounced? Clay and Buck spar over Democrats replacing Biden and Kamala. Another wandering moment as Obama jumps in to help Biden shuffle off stage. Black voters abandoning Biden. Most voters have made up their minds on Trump-Biden. Senator Rand Paul talks with C&B and hails finally getting answers from Dr. Fauci on the covid pandemic as it relates to China and domestic policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Monday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
starts right now. Everybody, thank you for joining us much
to get to first up a little roadmap for you.
We have Senator rand Paul be joining us this hour,
bottom of the hour on the destruction of due process,
some big COVID news, and some other news of the day.
(00:21):
We always enjoy talking to Senator Rand Paul. Doctor Ben
Carson second hour. You all know him from well just
being amazing. He's the retired neurosurgeon, former HUD secretary under Trump.
He's got a new book out and is talked about
as a possible VP candidate. And I have to say
(00:43):
I wouldn't say odds on favorite. We'll ask him about it,
of course, but Clay, I think fair to say if
you were the choice, strong choice, and nobody would be
chocked or taken aback at it. I mean it would,
it would make it. It's I think nothing but upside.
I think it's a total upside choice, no downside for
a President Trump's ticket if you were to go with
(01:04):
doctor Carson. So we'll talk to about that. Also, just
such a brilliant and humble man. Brilliant and humble is
such a nice commendation. In politics these days, you don't
get a lot of that. You get a lot of
the other You get a lot of dumb and arrogant.
But doctor Carson brilliant, humble. We'll talk to him in
just a bit. The fact that the governor of New
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York and Chuck Schumer, I think now too, right, Well,
they both were trying to show us how to grill
over the weekend. You see this, they pulled it down. Yeah,
operating a grill with stone cold burgers on it. You know,
it's like, if you're gonna do the photo op, turn
on the grill, you know, actually, grill, don't go through,
don't be a mime standing at the grill.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hokeel and Humor's pretty funny. It goes to my thing, buck,
of just be normal. It's amazing how many politicians can't
just be normal, like just be a normal person.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Of course, but you know, if you ever have to
be told just be normal, it's because you have difficulty
being normal. Right, So that's it's kind it's kind of
a self fulfilling proposition. But anyway, we will talk about
some of this. They're thinking about banning masks on the subway.
And this is deja vou for me. I on safety
concerns because early on of the pandemic, you know, right
(02:19):
about when there was a massive increase in all kinds
of crime, particularly violent crime, across the country. I said, masks.
You know, whether you're watching an old Western or you're
you know, everyone knows the guys with the masks on
are the bad guys, you know, the ones who are
hiding their faces, And now they're thinking about trying to
ban them on the subway. We'll talk about that debate.
(02:42):
I think that is really interesting. And we've got some
other things too, like Rubio big column on whether he'll
be the VP. Clay we'll discuss because we're getting close now.
Right now, we're a couple of weeks out from when
a few weeks whatever, a month out from when Trump
is going to have to say who the VP is
going to be. And we'll dive into that. But I
(03:03):
need to start with this because I have no choice.
You know, this is my of all the news cycle
stories we get into, the look at Biden, he's so decrepit,
you know, because and Clay's gonna give you the counterpoint
or the you know, the other side of this point
a bit, but I have to talk about it because
everyone's talking about it. He was at a star studded
(03:24):
That's what you have to always say for celebrities. You know,
some of those celebrities I don't know, haven't done anything
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
There's actually an interesting article that Biden is only able
to get celebrities over the age of fifty now, which
again I'm cautiously optimistic that we got some data that
younger people, and I'm defining younger broadly as under fifty
are making rational choices in a way that frankly, people
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older than fifty, particularly in the Hollywood celebrity ranks, even aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, the the defensive democracy argument, I had thought it
would be residenting mostly clay with the purple haired nos
ring you know, hashtag resistance crowd. It's actually a lot
of retirees they're saying, I mean, relatively speaking. That's where
there's been a shift. There are older people who think
that Biden is somehow a guardian of democracy versus Trump.
(04:17):
But but first up, we've got to so I said,
star studied fundraiser that was the big thing in California.
There's this there's this fundraiser, and we can't know it's radio,
so we can't really show you that. We'll put the
clip up at clayanbuck dot com just for easy access.
You can go see it there. But Biden had one
of his you know, looks like he doesn't know where
he is. And Obama has to come along, as we've
(04:39):
all done with elderly relatives of our own at different
parts in our lives. You have sort of guide him
and make sure he doesn't stumble and fall. And you
see Biden's legs walking, you know, very mechanically, very slowly
and unsteadily, and it's just a bad visual. And now
I open up, I open up all these websites. I'm
(05:00):
going to hand this to Clay so you can tell
me what he thinks is going on here. Daily Mail
Secret Democrat Democrat plot to replace Biden revealed how Clinton, Obama,
Pelosi and Schumer will topple the aging president and when
they'll do it. I open up the New York Post.
Top of the New York Post right now. I mean,
the headline is killing Dems softly. The Obama Biden arm
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grab wasn't just a senior moment. This is Piers Morgan's piece,
it was when everyone realized the president is not fit
for office. Clay, I'm sticking with it. I think I agree,
but I don't think it's going to change anything. It's
going to be a lot of this talk until the debate,
and then they'll pop them full of whatever they have
to for the debate, and they'll get through the summer
(05:42):
telling everybody that he's just got four more years at him.
Are you feeling more and more confident in your last
minute palace coup idea? I am?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I am? I mean, And by the way, I think
we got to talk also about black voters per CNN
abandoning Biden in big numb here, here's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You see that, by the way, he's going for the
He's going for two bets there, He's going for steak dinner.
And on top of this, I'm gonna have to send
him to the Spa for the weekend or something double
steak dinner. You might have to buy out and just
I don't know. It's like when you're deciding to go
from a motel to hotel when you're playing monopoly and
you've got a good run going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I look at this right now, And I've always
thought June twenty seventh, which is next Thursday, was a
super strange date to decide to do a debate. And
when this date came out, I saw it as an
extreme sign of weakness, because if you're the incumbent president,
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why in the world. Remember, incumbent presidents typically do pretty
poorly in the very first debate. Think about that historically,
We've talked about it on this program. Mitt Romney wiped
the floor with Barack Obama in the twenty twelve first
presidential debate.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
At a shocking level, at a level that Democrats were
basically weeping afterward.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, and then we saw, I thought to be fair,
Trump was the worst version of himself in the first
debate in twenty twenty against Biden. And you wonder why
is that? Typically it's because the president, in some way,
this president, more so than almost anyone, is coddled inside
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of their own bubble. And when you become the president
of the United States, a lot of people exist to
tell you that you're doing an amazing job. And for
this president, who takes almost no questions for the press,
who certainly is not, let's be honest, able to aggressively
consume media on his own. It's not like Biden is
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sitting around late at night in the Oval office assessing
overall perspectives on his performance so far. I think that
they are setting him up with a prove it or
go home stole performance here on June twenty seventh. And
here's my rationale. But let me just lay it out
for you, Buck. The numbers haven't moved. So they said, hey, look,
(08:10):
State of the Union, We're going to show how good
we are.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Numbers didn't move.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They said, hey, we're going to nail Trump with thirty
four different felony charges. Numbers don't move. That suggests to
me that most people have made up their mind about
Trump and Biden and that they aren't going to adjust.
At some point you recognize that that's the case. And
what I've said is, I think on June twenty seventh,
he's going to perform poorly, and even though the standard
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is low, I think he's not going to do well enough,
and then you'll have a long break. It was odd, Buck,
think about this. The timing on it's weird too. If
you really want to hit the ground running, June twenty
seventh immediately leads into July fourth weekend, most people you
and me included, are going to be out with our
family somewhere friends. You're not going to be sitting around
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debating politics. It's a Thursday, by everybody's going to be
on the road getting ready for July fourth. So all
of this is strange. I think he'll do poorly June
twenty seventh. I think they'll have a major discussion over
the July fourth holiday, and I think sometime in July
he'll announce that he's freeing his delegates and the real
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battle begins.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I will I will indulge further this theory. I think.
I don't know. I think are people all of you
right now? I think it's maybe fifty to fifty, but
it might be sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, it's it's close. Those who think that it won't
be buying those who think that it will at this point.
But I want to indulge this theory for a second.
And it's also an opportunity for me to throw out
there that the most respected and consistently accurate polster out
of des Moines Des Moines Register and Seltzer has right
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now Trump at fifty percent. Joe Biden at thirty two percent.
Now Trump one Iowa twenty sixteen and twenty twenty he
did not win Iowa by almost twenty points. Everybody, this
is an absolute shock poll moment because this is not
a poll. This isn't somebody who's oh, it's a Trump pollster.
(10:13):
It's not a you know, it's not some weak online
poll or something on the Drudger poll all the time.
She's always right. Yes, she's considered the best pollster for
the state of Iowa. And she is an RFK junior.
Let me add is at nine percent. So that also
adds to maybe part of why Biden is so far
behind right, because he may be losing some considerable support
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in Iowa to RFK Junior. So we can return to
this poll in a second. I just wanted to lay
it out though. Is that's a that's a warning sign,
that's a a an oh my gosh moment. I think
for Democrats right now, and I don't like to overstate
their concerns, but Clay, how do they get around the
issue of And this is what I keep remember. I've
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said along Biden, it'll be Biden or Kamala said Biden
or or Kamala. The argument or the debate is over
whether there's some other plan, which the Daily Mail is
saying now and here's Morgan and everyone's saying, remember, it's
not just replacing a president. It's replacing a president and
replacing the person who is in a job to replace
the president. You know what I'm saying. And that's how
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do you get around the Kamala factor in all of
this if you're the Democrat party without just causing an
absolute uproar dissension and look, more RFK junior voters, maybe
more people that are just saying I'm going third, third party.
So you only break the glass on the fire extinguisher
if the fire's really going right. You don't do it
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when you're like, hey, does it smell a little smoky
in here? You do it because you're gonna lose and
you've recognized it. So this is a desperate move. I'm
gonna put out the fire, let me grab it. That's
what I think is going on here.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
The way you get over it, I think is one
Michelle Obama, which I understand people say she doesn't want
to do it all those things, black woman who's actually
popular as opposed to a black.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Women people don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
If Michelle Obama doesn't want to need it, doesn't want
the job, then, and by the way, comes in as
some sort of savior at the Chicago I might mention
her hometown the base of Barack and Michelle Obama, Chicago, Illinois,
where this convention is taking place. Then I think you
go to the full floor and you free every delegate
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and if Kamala can get the calculus put together to win,
then she will. But I think Democrats have shown themselves
to be diabolical. If identity politics helps them, they will
argue that no black man or woman in America has
a chance because Joe Biden will keep them from being
put in chains by Donald Trump. If identity politics doesn't
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help them, then they will do whatever is necessary to
grab on to the gears of political power. I think
it will be a desperate ploy. By the way, let
me say this, buck, I want Biden to be the
nominee because I think he should have to run on
the choices that he may and I think Trump will
beat him, and I think that's a conclusion Democrats are
coming to. So this is not some Hey, I don't
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want Joe Biden to be the nominee, because I think
he is the most beatable. But I think Buck they
will here's my concern. They're diabolical. I think they'll say,
all we got to do is win the Midwest. They
go get Josh Shapiro, and they go get they go
get Gretchen Whitmer, the governors of Pennsylvania and Michigan, and
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they say we're gonna win with our Midwest duo, and
they kick, and that's how they end up with. And
they could be either way, Whitmer as the leader or
Shapiro as the Whitmer. I don't like Newsom, I don't
like Pritzker, I don't like Kamala. I think they're diabolical,
Bernie and and everybody. And they'll get in line. They'll
get in line and say, you know what, this is
(13:48):
the best ticket. And you know what, Kamala can run
in twenty eight and prove herself, but this is the
save Democracy ticket coming out of the Big ten.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I still don't think it's going to happen, but I
will say there are people that are banging this drum
louder than ever right now, so I want to want it.
At least we're going to continue to air it out
and look at it, because I mean, what, you can't
count anything out of politics at this stage of the story,
right given what we've already seen, the indictments against Trump,
the criminal conviction, the conviction of Hunter Biden, the looming
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Supreme Court decisions, the looming debate. I mean, there's so
much here. It is it is definitely going to be
an interesting political cycle. That much we can know. Oh
and just Clay, I think it's absolutely the case Democrats.
I don't know, they're not counting out the Sunbelt, but
the Ross Belt states are clearly their paths a peri.
It's the only way they can do it. And the
fact that Iowa is at seventy six percent of Iowa
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voters under the age of thirty five disapprove of Biden
right now. I mean, these are the Iowa numbers, particularly
because they're from a very reliable polster. I know, you
can't extract. You know, Michigan is not Iowa, but they're
close to each other, and there's you know, there's some
indications there, and you know that this is I think
a moment where they should be very conservative. Let's come
let's come back and talk about some of the IOE numbers.
(15:05):
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Speaker 2 (17:04):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
rolling through the Monday edition of the program, Buck staring
face to face with the fact that he may now
be in danger not only of the Biden bet, but
also of the percentage of blackmail voters that are going
to be supporting Donald Trump. Double wint. I'm just saying
double wins on the horizon out there. Put up a
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poll question, Buck, what percentage of this audience right now?
Now you can share it and see if your audience
feels differently on social and certainly we can share it
from Clay and Buck two. But right now, three thousand
of you voted in the first five minutes, sixty percent
of you say you do not believe Joe Biden will
be the nominee in twenty twenty four. Now, obviously this
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would be unprecedented, unheard of in many peoples.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I thought it was about sixty forty, by the way,
That's what I would have guessed.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
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We're joined out by Senator rand Paul Love, Kentucky. Senator
Paul appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Let's start with that, if you would tell us about
the hearing tomorrow up on the Hill and your ongoing
COVID nineteen origins investigation. What's the latest and what are
you trying to get to next.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
This is a big step forward. This is the first
bipartisan full committee hearing on the origins of the virus.
We'll have four scientists, two scientists who believe the evidence
points towards it come from the lab, and two scientists
who believe the opposite. But interestingly, one of those scientists
is a good friend of Anthony Fauci's, and privately Bob
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Gary said, oh my goodness, this is not a conspiracy.
This is real. Everything looks like it came from the lab.
And then in public he wrote a paper four days
later at the behest of Anthony Fauci that concluded, there's
no way it could have come from the lab. If possible,
your nuts if it came from the lab. So he'll
be one of the Democrats scientists testifying. Well, what'll make
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it interesting is this first time we've had scientists on
both sides of this issue in a public forum, essentially
debating this issue and with questions from Republicans and Democrats
on it. The big step forward. The Democrats, heretofore, have
refused to have any kind of participation in this. So
this is the first time Democrats haveapatisticated in any hearing,
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any bipartisan hearing center.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Paul I watched the Doctor. First of all, thanks for
coming on. I watched the Doctor Fauci hearing in front
of the House Committee, and what still staggers me is
how committed Democrats are to defending Fauci, even though many
of the arguments he made frankly from a scientific perspective,
have now been proven to be bunk, whether it's the
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six foot social distancing, whether it's making kids wear masks.
As Buck has pointed out for some time, Fauci, to
my knowledge, has never said, hey, you know what, you're
going too far when you do X or Y.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He never did it. Why do you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Think Democrats are still committed to defending him over pursuing
the truth and are you optimistic that's ever going to change.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I think Democrats by and large are committed to the
idea that the common man is incompetent, that the common
man should not be allowed the freedom to make medical
and that experts no better than the common man. And
so Anthony Fauci is sort of the extreme representative of
what the Democrats believe, that experts should decide what kind
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of health care you should get, and what kind of
medicines you should take, and whether you should take a vaccine.
And they fear that criticism of him is criticism of
central authority or central planning with regard to healthcare. And
so I think because their commitment is so strong, I
think that's why in the end they defend him, even
though now most of the things he said have been
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debunked or been flat out wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Paul with us nowth Kentucky Senator, do you think that
the end goal here other than getting to the truth,
do you still have any hope of accountability for what
was done during COVID and including covering up the origins
of the virus, the intentional cover up from the health authorities,
And do you think that there's still room to hope
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that we can get a change in what the policy
would be going forward, Because I mean, I would just
sit here and say, in my mind, they would run
the same playbook again if they could, They wouldn't. They
might make some adjustments to it, but overall, I think
there's a lot of things that the Democrats and the
Democrat dominated health establishment would go back to from COVID.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
So our first hearing will be laying out the evidence
for this COVID virus originating in the Wulan lab. The
second hearing we'll be talking about how we could reform
government's evaluation of gain of function research. They have to
realize that the NIH has steadfast reviews to divulge information,
all of which is not classified, but they will not
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give us the deliberations on why they concluded the research
in Wuhan was not gain of function and this was
kind of glossed over in the House arings. Fauci continues
to say, oh, according to the definition of the P
three COO Committee, this Safety Committee, it wasn't gain of function.
But he didn't resent the research to that committee. So
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Anthony Fauci did it by himself. Now we know that
they meet at something called dual Use Research of concerned
gain of function meeting. We know that they met on
the Wuhan research to discuss whether it was gain of function,
but they won't give us is the deliberations. If scientists
made an argument on both sides and we want to
reform it, we need to understand what mistakes they need
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in their assessment to say that it wasn't dangerous the
research going on in Wuhan. But anyway, we have a
bill that is largely written. We've talked to scientists across
the United Dates about this and got an input. We're
still getting input from scientists on this. We've presented it
to the Democrats. The only chance of passing it, you know,
in this Congress, would be if Democrats in the Senate
would actually actively support it. So that's what the goal
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of these hearings are is really mostly to try to
get Democrats on board for reforming gain of function oversight,
and we'll see if we get there. As far as accountability,
you know, Anthony Fauci getting is Justice Iertz and going
to jail. That would require a new administration and a
new Attorney general to objectively look at that. I do
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think he's lied under oath repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You hit on something that I think is really important,
and it seems as if we were giving American taxpayer
dollars to aid in research in Chinese labs, which I
think a lot of Americans, myself included, say why in
the world would we be doing that in the first place?
Because Fauci says, oh, I don't know what they were doing. Necessarily,
it's a limited amount of money. But why are they
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getting American taxpayer dollars in the first place? Would be
Part one for you Part two, and you've hit on
this before, but I think it's so important. COVID was
a relatively non lethal virus that was created. There is
the potential to create an incredibly lethal virus. How afraid,
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are you, based on what you have seen about gain
a function research, that the next time we have a
lab error like this, or we have a virus created
like this that gets out, it could be far more
deadly and far more dangerous than anything we saw with COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that's my biggest worry. Really, if you listen to
Robert Redfield, who's a virologist with a thirty year history
in virology, who is the CDC director under Trump, he'll
tell you that his concern is that there are viruses
out there that have up to fifty percent mortality. COVID
had abou zero point three percent. It's about three times
worse than the flu, which is bad. But you know,
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we can sometimes have three hundred thousand people die from
the fluid in our country and we had a million dogs.
And I don't downplay it. That's it was a significant event.
But imagine what it would have been like if it
would have been an overall death rate of five percent
or fifty percent. You're talking about civilization changing events at
that point. You're talking about fourteenth century plague where a
third of Europe died. We're talking about the scourge of
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when a third of a city would die when smallpox
came to town. So yeah, we have to be ready
and we have to be prepared the next time this
comes around. It's also why we should continue to talk
about natural immunity. You get a viral pandemic that gets started,
even if you have lightning fast production of a vaccine,
and even if it works, maybe it'll work better the
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next time. But even it should work, you're going to
have six months to a year even with a lightning
fast development of a vaccine. What you need to do
is realize who's at most risk, and then they need
to be protected by people who have recovered from the
from the virus. Because Anthony Falalcy threw out the window
any idea of natural immunity. See, we should have populated
all of the nursing homes with young people who had
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already recovered from COVID. You know, I'm not a young
person anymore. But I got COVID in March or two
weeks later. I had my immunity. I volunteered at my
local hospital, and I was useful. I would go into
the station's room and help nurses and orderlies and everybody
else to flip patients over who were on the ventilator
just to be one extra set of hands so someone
else didn't have to risk getting the virus. We should
(27:26):
have done that as a national strategy, but instead Anthony
Vauci continue to him and on too, Oh, we don't
know about it. You still have to wear four masks,
even though you've recovered from it. You got to wear
a mask on a plane instead of any kind of
common sense. He threw it out the window. But he
also threw out the one thing you can do without
a vaccine is to try to have the young people
who have recovered from a disease be the protectors of
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the vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Center around Paul, before we let you go out, I
just wanted to give you a chance to weigh in
on just what's going on with the weaponization of the
Justice Department in an election year against Donald Trump and
obviously local prosecution as well in the case of New
York and Atlanta. What this means for due process rights
and just the rule of law in general, and how
you think we can start to address what's clearly unjust
(28:13):
from the Justice Department.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You know, I think a lot of people on the left,
they run these endless things on CNN to same one
network about the end of democracy. It's the end of
the world of Donald Trump should win. But I actually
think it's closer and more accurate to say that we
could ruin the foundation of this country if the justice
system escapes from impartiality and becomes a partisan weapon. And
(28:38):
there's no question. If you can find an objective progressive person,
ask them whether or not anybody's ever been prosecuted for
expired bookkeeping crimes about paying off a woman, you know,
I mean, there's no way in the world that's ever
been prosecuted before, and so it's selective prosecution. Ask an
objective lawyer whether or not you can besecutor for something
(29:01):
they don't even inform me the crime of the sixth
Amendment says yet to be notified of the crime, it
was impossible to know. And the judge in the end said, well,
you can convict him of any other secondary crime you
want to, but you have to figure out a secondary crime.
You don't even all have to agree, Well, you have
to know what you've been accused of in order to
defend yourself. So I think that's going to be thrown
out on six Amendment account. But I do worry that
(29:25):
there are people around the country. Everywhere I travel, people
are coming up, they called into your show. These are
people who are truly worried. Can I still participate in America?
Can I give money? Can I go to a rally
without getting on a list, and that all of a
sudden they're going to be investigating my tax status, investigating
my business, and it'll be selective prosecution if it comes
to that, and if the majority people believe that we
(29:46):
are in for I think strife in our country, and
I hope it doesn't come to that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Senator round Paul, appreciate you being with us or thanks
so much?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Thanks as no.
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
Happy belated Father's Day to all of you out there.
I hope that many of you did what I did
on Father's Day. Woke up, had a nice cup of
Crocket coffee, the greatest coffee in America, coffee for people
who love America and American history. You know who I
bet did not have a cup of Crockett coffee. Buck
(32:03):
are good, buddy, Chuck Schumer, who decided that he was
going to celebrate Father's Day by bragging about his grilling skills.
He now has had to delete the post you mentioned
it off the top a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Schumer, who is the.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Probably would you say, the most competent democrat in America
in terms of actually holding office and being able to
wield power. I know that Joe Biden is President of
the United States, but his mental faculties, as we've been
discussing and will continue to discuss this program and beyond,
are certainly in question. I think, Chuck Schumer, if you
(32:41):
were pointing to a Democratic mean, Hakeem Jeffries is not
the speaker. Nancy Pelosi has stepped down. Kamala Harris is
a disaster. I think you'd actually have to kind of
by default come to Schumer and say, of Democrats in
positions of power, he's the most competent.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Is that a crazy position? Or would you sign on
to that? I don't. I mean, you know, it's like
it's like choosing the best way to get your hand
chopped off like this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, I'm trying to think, Yeah, I get, you know,
it's it's not an ideal question. But the fact that he,
who I think would suffice on that answer, like who
is the most competent Democrat and leadership position, is so
unable on Father's Day to just have a normal post
For those of you who didn't see it, he clearly
(33:26):
has no idea how to grow. And I'm not claiming
to be the grill master, but I wouldn't post a
photo of myself bragging about my grilling and having I'm
gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Some things wrong. And Carrie, she's I think she's actually
on her way to Costco right now, So Heaven knows, Actually,
Heaven knows what that bill is going to look like.
No matter how big the bill is, she's saving me money.
That's the amazing thing about Costco. She spends five hundred
bucks at Costco, but she saved me three hundred in
spending the five hundred. You see, this is the This
(33:55):
is Costco math for those of us actually on TikTok
girl math. My wife is an expert in girl math.
She comes back from a sale and lets me know
that she saved me a bundle of money despite the
fact that she has spent a ton. That's how girl
math on Costco on TikTok, I'm told works. So I
had to dinner. We went out. You know, we don't
go out that much. I would say, I like staying home.
(34:17):
I'm really like like I like my wife, ginger pajama pants,
my ginger tea, no relation to the dog, just I
like the flavored ginger tea. That's like my ideal night.
We went out, though, and I'll tell you the problem
you mentioned, the girl master issue. I just make better
steaks at home. Now, then you can get at ninety
percent of places that serve steak, maybe even ninety five percent.
(34:38):
What is the stake that you make for yourself cost
versus what you pay out, Like, what is it? I
don't even know the answer to this, what say cost? Yeah, yeah,
I mean we have two butchers we go down here.
I'd say, if you're getting a good cut of meat,
you can do it for whatever the steakhouse price is.
If it's a particularly prized piece of meat, you're probably
(34:59):
paying about a third of what the cost actually is.
And and you know, but pretty safe territory, it's half.
It's like half the price. I mean, if a steak
at your local restaurant, you know, your local steakhouse cost
you fifty bucks, you should be able to do it
for like twenty at home. You know, I think that's
a pretty fair so, you know, because look, they got
(35:19):
to pay for the labor and the restaurant and everything else.
But you know, you're you're definitely way down the scale.
But once you get good at making your own steaks
at home, man, I'm telling you, it's tough. It's tough
out there because I think, and I know I'm trying
to it's like I'm tying it all into inflation everything else.
I think places are cutting back on the quality of
the meat. They're buying. I think people are cutting corners
in places. Now. We were at a very nice restaurant
(35:42):
and meat was tough. It was tough steak and it
should not have been. And I've had this in a
number of places. Now. You know, the thing you really
don't want with steak is too fatty or too chewy.
I don't know if anyone else is noticing this. I'm
finding more and more restaurants I go to. I think
they're skimping on the meat. And that's why I like
making the meat at home.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, I mean wouldn't shock me at all because the
cost for so many of these restaurants has skyrocket and
I have to imagine what how many people can afford it? Well,
look at when you talk about what a cost to
serve your you have your family Chick fil A, right,
Chick fil A? Those places they serve exactly the same
product at exactly the same level.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So it's a really good indicator of inflation. You go
into a restaurant, they're saying, oh, we're giving you a
New York strip?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Choice? Is it? You know? Where are we at grade
A or are we dry age? And you add all
these things in I'm telling you there should be like
a steak inflation counter out there, because I'm the steaks
are not as good. They're lowering the steaks, you could say,
speaking of steaks, Buck Sexton maybe having to pay me
two high end steaks. I'm gonna make sure we go
(36:46):
to the right place the data on black voters and
Biden and Iowa. We'll talk about it next week.
Monday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
starts right now. Everybody, thank you for joining us much
to get to first up a little roadmap for you.
We have Senator rand Paul be joining us this hour,
bottom of the hour on the destruction of due process,
some big COVID news, and some other news of the day.
(00:21):
We always enjoy talking to Senator Rand Paul. Doctor Ben
Carson second hour. You all know him from well just
being amazing. He's the retired neurosurgeon, former HUD secretary under Trump.
He's got a new book out and is talked about
as a possible VP candidate. And I have to say
(00:43):
I wouldn't say odds on favorite. We'll ask him about it,
of course, but Clay, I think fair to say if
you were the choice, strong choice, and nobody would be
chocked or taken aback at it. I mean it would,
it would make it. It's I think nothing but upside.
I think it's a total upside choice, no downside for
a President Trump's ticket if you were to go with
(01:04):
doctor Carson. So we'll talk to about that. Also, just
such a brilliant and humble man. Brilliant and humble is
such a nice commendation. In politics these days, you don't
get a lot of that. You get a lot of
the other You get a lot of dumb and arrogant.
But doctor Carson brilliant, humble. We'll talk to him in
just a bit. The fact that the governor of New
(01:26):
York and Chuck Schumer, I think now too, right, Well,
they both were trying to show us how to grill
over the weekend. You see this, they pulled it down. Yeah,
operating a grill with stone cold burgers on it. You know,
it's like, if you're gonna do the photo op, turn
on the grill, you know, actually, grill, don't go through,
don't be a mime standing at the grill.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hokeel and Humor's pretty funny. It goes to my thing, buck,
of just be normal. It's amazing how many politicians can't
just be normal, like just be a normal person.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Of course, but you know, if you ever have to
be told just be normal, it's because you have difficulty
being normal. Right, So that's it's kind it's kind of
a self fulfilling proposition. But anyway, we will talk about
some of this. They're thinking about banning masks on the subway.
And this is deja vou for me. I on safety
concerns because early on of the pandemic, you know, right
(02:19):
about when there was a massive increase in all kinds
of crime, particularly violent crime, across the country. I said, masks.
You know, whether you're watching an old Western or you're
you know, everyone knows the guys with the masks on
are the bad guys, you know, the ones who are
hiding their faces, And now they're thinking about trying to
ban them on the subway. We'll talk about that debate.
(02:42):
I think that is really interesting. And we've got some
other things too, like Rubio big column on whether he'll
be the VP. Clay we'll discuss because we're getting close now.
Right now, we're a couple of weeks out from when
a few weeks whatever, a month out from when Trump
is going to have to say who the VP is
going to be. And we'll dive into that. But I
(03:03):
need to start with this because I have no choice.
You know, this is my of all the news cycle
stories we get into, the look at Biden, he's so decrepit,
you know, because and Clay's gonna give you the counterpoint
or the you know, the other side of this point
a bit, but I have to talk about it because
everyone's talking about it. He was at a star studded
(03:24):
That's what you have to always say for celebrities. You know,
some of those celebrities I don't know, haven't done anything
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
There's actually an interesting article that Biden is only able
to get celebrities over the age of fifty now, which
again I'm cautiously optimistic that we got some data that
younger people, and I'm defining younger broadly as under fifty
are making rational choices in a way that frankly, people
(03:50):
older than fifty, particularly in the Hollywood celebrity ranks, even aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, the the defensive democracy argument, I had thought it
would be residenting mostly clay with the purple haired nos
ring you know, hashtag resistance crowd. It's actually a lot
of retirees they're saying, I mean, relatively speaking. That's where
there's been a shift. There are older people who think
that Biden is somehow a guardian of democracy versus Trump.
(04:17):
But but first up, we've got to so I said,
star studied fundraiser that was the big thing in California.
There's this there's this fundraiser, and we can't know it's radio,
so we can't really show you that. We'll put the
clip up at clayanbuck dot com just for easy access.
You can go see it there. But Biden had one
of his you know, looks like he doesn't know where
he is. And Obama has to come along, as we've
(04:39):
all done with elderly relatives of our own at different
parts in our lives. You have sort of guide him
and make sure he doesn't stumble and fall. And you
see Biden's legs walking, you know, very mechanically, very slowly
and unsteadily, and it's just a bad visual. And now
I open up, I open up all these websites. I'm
(05:00):
going to hand this to Clay so you can tell
me what he thinks is going on here. Daily Mail
Secret Democrat Democrat plot to replace Biden revealed how Clinton, Obama,
Pelosi and Schumer will topple the aging president and when
they'll do it. I open up the New York Post.
Top of the New York Post right now. I mean,
the headline is killing Dems softly. The Obama Biden arm
(05:20):
grab wasn't just a senior moment. This is Piers Morgan's piece,
it was when everyone realized the president is not fit
for office. Clay, I'm sticking with it. I think I agree,
but I don't think it's going to change anything. It's
going to be a lot of this talk until the debate,
and then they'll pop them full of whatever they have
to for the debate, and they'll get through the summer
(05:42):
telling everybody that he's just got four more years at him.
Are you feeling more and more confident in your last
minute palace coup idea? I am?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I am? I mean, And by the way, I think
we got to talk also about black voters per CNN
abandoning Biden in big numb here, here's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You see that, by the way, he's going for the
He's going for two bets there, He's going for steak dinner.
And on top of this, I'm gonna have to send
him to the Spa for the weekend or something double
steak dinner. You might have to buy out and just
I don't know. It's like when you're deciding to go
from a motel to hotel when you're playing monopoly and
you've got a good run going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But I look at this right now, And I've always
thought June twenty seventh, which is next Thursday, was a
super strange date to decide to do a debate. And
when this date came out, I saw it as an
extreme sign of weakness, because if you're the incumbent president,
(06:43):
why in the world. Remember, incumbent presidents typically do pretty
poorly in the very first debate. Think about that historically,
We've talked about it on this program. Mitt Romney wiped
the floor with Barack Obama in the twenty twelve first
presidential debate.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
At a shocking level, at a level that Democrats were
basically weeping afterward.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yes, and then we saw, I thought to be fair,
Trump was the worst version of himself in the first
debate in twenty twenty against Biden. And you wonder why
is that? Typically it's because the president, in some way,
this president, more so than almost anyone, is coddled inside
(07:25):
of their own bubble. And when you become the president
of the United States, a lot of people exist to
tell you that you're doing an amazing job. And for
this president, who takes almost no questions for the press,
who certainly is not, let's be honest, able to aggressively
consume media on his own. It's not like Biden is
(07:46):
sitting around late at night in the Oval office assessing
overall perspectives on his performance so far. I think that
they are setting him up with a prove it or
go home stole performance here on June twenty seventh. And
here's my rationale. But let me just lay it out
for you, Buck. The numbers haven't moved. So they said, hey, look,
(08:10):
State of the Union, We're going to show how good
we are.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Numbers didn't move.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They said, hey, we're going to nail Trump with thirty
four different felony charges. Numbers don't move. That suggests to
me that most people have made up their mind about
Trump and Biden and that they aren't going to adjust.
At some point you recognize that that's the case. And
what I've said is, I think on June twenty seventh,
he's going to perform poorly, and even though the standard
(08:36):
is low, I think he's not going to do well enough,
and then you'll have a long break. It was odd, Buck,
think about this. The timing on it's weird too. If
you really want to hit the ground running, June twenty
seventh immediately leads into July fourth weekend, most people you
and me included, are going to be out with our
family somewhere friends. You're not going to be sitting around
(08:56):
debating politics. It's a Thursday, by everybody's going to be
on the road getting ready for July fourth. So all
of this is strange. I think he'll do poorly June
twenty seventh. I think they'll have a major discussion over
the July fourth holiday, and I think sometime in July
he'll announce that he's freeing his delegates and the real
(09:17):
battle begins.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So I will I will indulge further this theory. I think.
I don't know. I think are people all of you
right now? I think it's maybe fifty to fifty, but
it might be sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, it's it's close. Those who think that it won't
be buying those who think that it will at this point.
But I want to indulge this theory for a second.
And it's also an opportunity for me to throw out
there that the most respected and consistently accurate polster out
of des Moines Des Moines Register and Seltzer has right
(09:52):
now Trump at fifty percent. Joe Biden at thirty two percent.
Now Trump one Iowa twenty sixteen and twenty twenty he
did not win Iowa by almost twenty points. Everybody, this
is an absolute shock poll moment because this is not
a poll. This isn't somebody who's oh, it's a Trump pollster.
(10:13):
It's not a you know, it's not some weak online
poll or something on the Drudger poll all the time.
She's always right. Yes, she's considered the best pollster for
the state of Iowa. And she is an RFK junior.
Let me add is at nine percent. So that also
adds to maybe part of why Biden is so far
behind right, because he may be losing some considerable support
(10:36):
in Iowa to RFK Junior. So we can return to
this poll in a second. I just wanted to lay
it out though. Is that's a that's a warning sign,
that's a a an oh my gosh moment. I think
for Democrats right now, and I don't like to overstate
their concerns, but Clay, how do they get around the
issue of And this is what I keep remember. I've
(10:56):
said along Biden, it'll be Biden or Kamala said Biden
or or Kamala. The argument or the debate is over
whether there's some other plan, which the Daily Mail is
saying now and here's Morgan and everyone's saying, remember, it's
not just replacing a president. It's replacing a president and
replacing the person who is in a job to replace
the president. You know what I'm saying. And that's how
(11:19):
do you get around the Kamala factor in all of
this if you're the Democrat party without just causing an
absolute uproar dissension and look, more RFK junior voters, maybe
more people that are just saying I'm going third, third party.
So you only break the glass on the fire extinguisher
if the fire's really going right. You don't do it
(11:40):
when you're like, hey, does it smell a little smoky
in here? You do it because you're gonna lose and
you've recognized it. So this is a desperate move. I'm
gonna put out the fire, let me grab it. That's
what I think is going on here.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
The way you get over it, I think is one
Michelle Obama, which I understand people say she doesn't want
to do it all those things, black woman who's actually
popular as opposed to a black.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Women people don't like.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
If Michelle Obama doesn't want to need it, doesn't want
the job, then, and by the way, comes in as
some sort of savior at the Chicago I might mention
her hometown the base of Barack and Michelle Obama, Chicago, Illinois,
where this convention is taking place. Then I think you
go to the full floor and you free every delegate
(12:23):
and if Kamala can get the calculus put together to win,
then she will. But I think Democrats have shown themselves
to be diabolical. If identity politics helps them, they will
argue that no black man or woman in America has
a chance because Joe Biden will keep them from being
put in chains by Donald Trump. If identity politics doesn't
(12:45):
help them, then they will do whatever is necessary to
grab on to the gears of political power. I think
it will be a desperate ploy. By the way, let
me say this, buck, I want Biden to be the
nominee because I think he should have to run on
the choices that he may and I think Trump will
beat him, and I think that's a conclusion Democrats are
coming to. So this is not some Hey, I don't
(13:06):
want Joe Biden to be the nominee, because I think
he is the most beatable. But I think Buck they
will here's my concern. They're diabolical. I think they'll say,
all we got to do is win the Midwest. They
go get Josh Shapiro, and they go get they go
get Gretchen Whitmer, the governors of Pennsylvania and Michigan, and
(13:27):
they say we're gonna win with our Midwest duo, and
they kick, and that's how they end up with. And
they could be either way, Whitmer as the leader or
Shapiro as the Whitmer. I don't like Newsom, I don't
like Pritzker, I don't like Kamala. I think they're diabolical,
Bernie and and everybody. And they'll get in line. They'll
get in line and say, you know what, this is
(13:48):
the best ticket. And you know what, Kamala can run
in twenty eight and prove herself, but this is the
save Democracy ticket coming out of the Big ten.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I still don't think it's going to happen, but I
will say there are people that are banging this drum
louder than ever right now, so I want to want it.
At least we're going to continue to air it out
and look at it, because I mean, what, you can't
count anything out of politics at this stage of the story,
right given what we've already seen, the indictments against Trump,
the criminal conviction, the conviction of Hunter Biden, the looming
(14:20):
Supreme Court decisions, the looming debate. I mean, there's so
much here. It is it is definitely going to be
an interesting political cycle. That much we can know. Oh
and just Clay, I think it's absolutely the case Democrats.
I don't know, they're not counting out the Sunbelt, but
the Ross Belt states are clearly their paths a peri.
It's the only way they can do it. And the
fact that Iowa is at seventy six percent of Iowa
(14:44):
voters under the age of thirty five disapprove of Biden
right now. I mean, these are the Iowa numbers, particularly
because they're from a very reliable polster. I know, you
can't extract. You know, Michigan is not Iowa, but they're
close to each other, and there's you know, there's some
indications there, and you know that this is I think
a moment where they should be very conservative. Let's come
let's come back and talk about some of the IOE numbers.
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Speaker 2 (17:04):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are
rolling through the Monday edition of the program, Buck staring
face to face with the fact that he may now
be in danger not only of the Biden bet, but
also of the percentage of blackmail voters that are going
to be supporting Donald Trump. Double wint. I'm just saying
double wins on the horizon out there. Put up a
(17:26):
poll question, Buck, what percentage of this audience right now?
Now you can share it and see if your audience
feels differently on social and certainly we can share it
from Clay and Buck two. But right now, three thousand
of you voted in the first five minutes, sixty percent
of you say you do not believe Joe Biden will
be the nominee in twenty twenty four. Now, obviously this
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would be unprecedented, unheard of in many peoples.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I thought it was about sixty forty, by the way,
That's what I would have guessed.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So you may well have nailed the poll results. We'll
see whether those change it all. In the meantime, it's
hard for us here in the US to comprehend what
a day in the life of our friends in Israel's
like sound of sirens warning of incoming missile attacks just
one chilling example. Seeing anti Israel protests around the world
is another. They see parts of the world protesting their
efforts to rescue Israeli hostages. It's important to remind our
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friends and our ally they aren't alone. One of the
many reasons we've partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians
and Jews. That's the IFCJ and organization going the distance
to show Israelis they're not alone, that people halfway across
the world care about them and their safety. We'd like
you to join us and stand with the IFCJ, raise
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That support IFCJ dot org. Welcome back into clay Enbuck.
We're joined out by Senator rand Paul Love, Kentucky. Senator
Paul appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Hey, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Let's start with that, if you would tell us about
the hearing tomorrow up on the Hill and your ongoing
COVID nineteen origins investigation. What's the latest and what are
you trying to get to next.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
This is a big step forward. This is the first
bipartisan full committee hearing on the origins of the virus.
We'll have four scientists, two scientists who believe the evidence
points towards it come from the lab, and two scientists
who believe the opposite. But interestingly, one of those scientists
is a good friend of Anthony Fauci's, and privately Bob
(19:40):
Gary said, oh my goodness, this is not a conspiracy.
This is real. Everything looks like it came from the lab.
And then in public he wrote a paper four days
later at the behest of Anthony Fauci that concluded, there's
no way it could have come from the lab. If possible,
your nuts if it came from the lab. So he'll
be one of the Democrats scientists testifying. Well, what'll make
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it interesting is this first time we've had scientists on
both sides of this issue in a public forum, essentially
debating this issue and with questions from Republicans and Democrats
on it. The big step forward. The Democrats, heretofore, have
refused to have any kind of participation in this. So
this is the first time Democrats haveapatisticated in any hearing,
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any bipartisan hearing center.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Paul I watched the Doctor. First of all, thanks for
coming on. I watched the Doctor Fauci hearing in front
of the House Committee, and what still staggers me is
how committed Democrats are to defending Fauci, even though many
of the arguments he made frankly from a scientific perspective,
have now been proven to be bunk, whether it's the
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six foot social distancing, whether it's making kids wear masks.
As Buck has pointed out for some time, Fauci, to
my knowledge, has never said, hey, you know what, you're
going too far when you do X or Y.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He never did it. Why do you.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Think Democrats are still committed to defending him over pursuing
the truth and are you optimistic that's ever going to change.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I think Democrats by and large are committed to the
idea that the common man is incompetent, that the common
man should not be allowed the freedom to make medical
and that experts no better than the common man. And
so Anthony Fauci is sort of the extreme representative of
what the Democrats believe, that experts should decide what kind
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of health care you should get, and what kind of
medicines you should take, and whether you should take a vaccine.
And they fear that criticism of him is criticism of
central authority or central planning with regard to healthcare. And
so I think because their commitment is so strong, I
think that's why in the end they defend him, even
though now most of the things he said have been
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debunked or been flat out wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Paul with us nowth Kentucky Senator, do you think that
the end goal here other than getting to the truth,
do you still have any hope of accountability for what
was done during COVID and including covering up the origins
of the virus, the intentional cover up from the health authorities,
And do you think that there's still room to hope
(22:21):
that we can get a change in what the policy
would be going forward, Because I mean, I would just
sit here and say, in my mind, they would run
the same playbook again if they could, They wouldn't. They
might make some adjustments to it, but overall, I think
there's a lot of things that the Democrats and the
Democrat dominated health establishment would go back to from COVID.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
So our first hearing will be laying out the evidence
for this COVID virus originating in the Wulan lab. The
second hearing we'll be talking about how we could reform
government's evaluation of gain of function research. They have to
realize that the NIH has steadfast reviews to divulge information,
all of which is not classified, but they will not
(23:05):
give us the deliberations on why they concluded the research
in Wuhan was not gain of function and this was
kind of glossed over in the House arings. Fauci continues
to say, oh, according to the definition of the P
three COO Committee, this Safety Committee, it wasn't gain of function.
But he didn't resent the research to that committee. So
(23:28):
Anthony Fauci did it by himself. Now we know that
they meet at something called dual Use Research of concerned
gain of function meeting. We know that they met on
the Wuhan research to discuss whether it was gain of function,
but they won't give us is the deliberations. If scientists
made an argument on both sides and we want to
reform it, we need to understand what mistakes they need
(23:50):
in their assessment to say that it wasn't dangerous the
research going on in Wuhan. But anyway, we have a
bill that is largely written. We've talked to scientists across
the United Dates about this and got an input. We're
still getting input from scientists on this. We've presented it
to the Democrats. The only chance of passing it, you know,
in this Congress, would be if Democrats in the Senate
would actually actively support it. So that's what the goal
(24:13):
of these hearings are is really mostly to try to
get Democrats on board for reforming gain of function oversight,
and we'll see if we get there. As far as accountability,
you know, Anthony Fauci getting is Justice Iertz and going
to jail. That would require a new administration and a
new Attorney general to objectively look at that. I do
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think he's lied under oath repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You hit on something that I think is really important,
and it seems as if we were giving American taxpayer
dollars to aid in research in Chinese labs, which I
think a lot of Americans, myself included, say why in
the world would we be doing that in the first place?
Because Fauci says, oh, I don't know what they were doing. Necessarily,
it's a limited amount of money. But why are they
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getting American taxpayer dollars in the first place? Would be
Part one for you Part two, and you've hit on
this before, but I think it's so important. COVID was
a relatively non lethal virus that was created. There is
the potential to create an incredibly lethal virus. How afraid,
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are you, based on what you have seen about gain
a function research, that the next time we have a
lab error like this, or we have a virus created
like this that gets out, it could be far more
deadly and far more dangerous than anything we saw with COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, that's my biggest worry. Really, if you listen to
Robert Redfield, who's a virologist with a thirty year history
in virology, who is the CDC director under Trump, he'll
tell you that his concern is that there are viruses
out there that have up to fifty percent mortality. COVID
had abou zero point three percent. It's about three times
worse than the flu, which is bad. But you know,
(26:00):
we can sometimes have three hundred thousand people die from
the fluid in our country and we had a million dogs.
And I don't downplay it. That's it was a significant event.
But imagine what it would have been like if it
would have been an overall death rate of five percent
or fifty percent. You're talking about civilization changing events at
that point. You're talking about fourteenth century plague where a
third of Europe died. We're talking about the scourge of
(26:22):
when a third of a city would die when smallpox
came to town. So yeah, we have to be ready
and we have to be prepared the next time this
comes around. It's also why we should continue to talk
about natural immunity. You get a viral pandemic that gets started,
even if you have lightning fast production of a vaccine,
and even if it works, maybe it'll work better the
(26:43):
next time. But even it should work, you're going to
have six months to a year even with a lightning
fast development of a vaccine. What you need to do
is realize who's at most risk, and then they need
to be protected by people who have recovered from the
from the virus. Because Anthony Falalcy threw out the window
any idea of natural immunity. See, we should have populated
all of the nursing homes with young people who had
(27:05):
already recovered from COVID. You know, I'm not a young
person anymore. But I got COVID in March or two
weeks later. I had my immunity. I volunteered at my
local hospital, and I was useful. I would go into
the station's room and help nurses and orderlies and everybody
else to flip patients over who were on the ventilator
just to be one extra set of hands so someone
else didn't have to risk getting the virus. We should
(27:26):
have done that as a national strategy, but instead Anthony
Vauci continue to him and on too, Oh, we don't
know about it. You still have to wear four masks,
even though you've recovered from it. You got to wear
a mask on a plane instead of any kind of
common sense. He threw it out the window. But he
also threw out the one thing you can do without
a vaccine is to try to have the young people
who have recovered from a disease be the protectors of
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the vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Center around Paul, before we let you go out, I
just wanted to give you a chance to weigh in
on just what's going on with the weaponization of the
Justice Department in an election year against Donald Trump and
obviously local prosecution as well in the case of New
York and Atlanta. What this means for due process rights
and just the rule of law in general, and how
you think we can start to address what's clearly unjust
(28:13):
from the Justice Department.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
You know, I think a lot of people on the left,
they run these endless things on CNN to same one
network about the end of democracy. It's the end of
the world of Donald Trump should win. But I actually
think it's closer and more accurate to say that we
could ruin the foundation of this country if the justice
system escapes from impartiality and becomes a partisan weapon. And
(28:38):
there's no question. If you can find an objective progressive person,
ask them whether or not anybody's ever been prosecuted for
expired bookkeeping crimes about paying off a woman, you know,
I mean, there's no way in the world that's ever
been prosecuted before, and so it's selective prosecution. Ask an
objective lawyer whether or not you can besecutor for something
(29:01):
they don't even inform me the crime of the sixth
Amendment says yet to be notified of the crime, it
was impossible to know. And the judge in the end said, well,
you can convict him of any other secondary crime you
want to, but you have to figure out a secondary crime.
You don't even all have to agree, Well, you have
to know what you've been accused of in order to
defend yourself. So I think that's going to be thrown
out on six Amendment account. But I do worry that
(29:25):
there are people around the country. Everywhere I travel, people
are coming up, they called into your show. These are
people who are truly worried. Can I still participate in America?
Can I give money? Can I go to a rally
without getting on a list, and that all of a
sudden they're going to be investigating my tax status, investigating
my business, and it'll be selective prosecution if it comes
to that, and if the majority people believe that we
(29:46):
are in for I think strife in our country, and
I hope it doesn't come to that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Senator round Paul, appreciate you being with us or thanks
so much?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Thanks as no.
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
Happy belated Father's Day to all of you out there.
I hope that many of you did what I did
on Father's Day. Woke up, had a nice cup of
Crocket coffee, the greatest coffee in America, coffee for people
who love America and American history. You know who I
bet did not have a cup of Crockett coffee. Buck
(32:03):
are good, buddy, Chuck Schumer, who decided that he was
going to celebrate Father's Day by bragging about his grilling skills.
He now has had to delete the post you mentioned
it off the top a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Schumer, who is the.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Probably would you say, the most competent democrat in America
in terms of actually holding office and being able to
wield power. I know that Joe Biden is President of
the United States, but his mental faculties, as we've been
discussing and will continue to discuss this program and beyond,
are certainly in question. I think, Chuck Schumer, if you
(32:41):
were pointing to a Democratic mean, Hakeem Jeffries is not
the speaker. Nancy Pelosi has stepped down. Kamala Harris is
a disaster. I think you'd actually have to kind of
by default come to Schumer and say, of Democrats in
positions of power, he's the most competent.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Is that a crazy position? Or would you sign on
to that? I don't. I mean, you know, it's like
it's like choosing the best way to get your hand
chopped off like this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, I'm trying to think, Yeah, I get, you know,
it's it's not an ideal question. But the fact that he,
who I think would suffice on that answer, like who
is the most competent Democrat and leadership position, is so
unable on Father's Day to just have a normal post
For those of you who didn't see it, he clearly
(33:26):
has no idea how to grow. And I'm not claiming
to be the grill master, but I wouldn't post a
photo of myself bragging about my grilling and having I'm
gonna tell you.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Some things wrong. And Carrie, she's I think she's actually
on her way to Costco right now, So Heaven knows, Actually,
Heaven knows what that bill is going to look like.
No matter how big the bill is, she's saving me money.
That's the amazing thing about Costco. She spends five hundred
bucks at Costco, but she saved me three hundred in
spending the five hundred. You see, this is the This
(33:55):
is Costco math for those of us actually on TikTok
girl math. My wife is an expert in girl math.
She comes back from a sale and lets me know
that she saved me a bundle of money despite the
fact that she has spent a ton. That's how girl
math on Costco on TikTok, I'm told works. So I
had to dinner. We went out. You know, we don't
go out that much. I would say, I like staying home.
(34:17):
I'm really like like I like my wife, ginger pajama pants,
my ginger tea, no relation to the dog, just I
like the flavored ginger tea. That's like my ideal night.
We went out, though, and I'll tell you the problem
you mentioned, the girl master issue. I just make better
steaks at home. Now, then you can get at ninety
percent of places that serve steak, maybe even ninety five percent.
(34:38):
What is the stake that you make for yourself cost
versus what you pay out, Like, what is it? I
don't even know the answer to this, what say cost? Yeah, yeah,
I mean we have two butchers we go down here.
I'd say, if you're getting a good cut of meat,
you can do it for whatever the steakhouse price is.
If it's a particularly prized piece of meat, you're probably
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paying about a third of what the cost actually is.
And and you know, but pretty safe territory, it's half.
It's like half the price. I mean, if a steak
at your local restaurant, you know, your local steakhouse cost
you fifty bucks, you should be able to do it
for like twenty at home. You know, I think that's
a pretty fair so, you know, because look, they got
(35:19):
to pay for the labor and the restaurant and everything else.
But you know, you're you're definitely way down the scale.
But once you get good at making your own steaks
at home, man, I'm telling you, it's tough. It's tough
out there because I think, and I know I'm trying
to it's like I'm tying it all into inflation everything else.
I think places are cutting back on the quality of
the meat. They're buying. I think people are cutting corners
in places. Now. We were at a very nice restaurant
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and meat was tough. It was tough steak and it
should not have been. And I've had this in a
number of places. Now. You know, the thing you really
don't want with steak is too fatty or too chewy.
I don't know if anyone else is noticing this. I'm
finding more and more restaurants I go to. I think
they're skimping on the meat. And that's why I like
making the meat at home.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, I mean wouldn't shock me at all because the
cost for so many of these restaurants has skyrocket and
I have to imagine what how many people can afford it? Well,
look at when you talk about what a cost to
serve your you have your family Chick fil A, right,
Chick fil A? Those places they serve exactly the same
product at exactly the same level.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So it's a really good indicator of inflation. You go
into a restaurant, they're saying, oh, we're giving you a
New York strip?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Choice? Is it? You know? Where are we at grade
A or are we dry age? And you add all
these things in I'm telling you there should be like
a steak inflation counter out there, because I'm the steaks
are not as good. They're lowering the steaks, you could say,
speaking of steaks, Buck Sexton maybe having to pay me
two high end steaks. I'm gonna make sure we go
(36:46):
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